Girl Defined: Nonsense Of Biblical Proportions

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[@Mr_Daddums]

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[@fleacythesheepgirl]

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[@Coookiiiiiiee]

Love how Bethany and her husband basically despise each other but they are trapped because of their beliefs 💀 what a sad sad life

[@MM-bw2lu]

on that note, i think its really deceptive how people really go in on bethanys horrible behavior in her relationship while ignoring her husbands part. the snippet from his livestream where he was like "so i told her that im the MOST uncaring, im sooo horrible" was him just admitting that he deflects and escalates seemingly every conversation. its a very manipulative way to shut someone up in an argument, but for some reason i never see people discuss it. as much as i think bethany sucks, i dont think shes the primary villain in her relationship. its just all really tragic.

[@noelletakesthesky3977]

I think it’s so sad that he’s gone public with his misery since he couldn’t handle it anymore, and Bethany was chipper as always, ignoring his heartbreak and cries for help. I actually think these two may end up divorced. It’s massive for a fundie to not only admit to needing therapy, but to go, then to talk about it, since it’s an admission that prayer isn’t a cure, and he’s admitted needing it, started going, and admitted it.

[@xxDeeMmmVeexx]

Poetic justice I think.

[@freshcinnamonroll9159]

@@MM-bw2lu i noticed this! i also thought that snippet about how his suicidal ideation was mostly a fantasy about making her feel bad was........interesting. maybe i'm reading into it but it's giving 'person who threatens suicide in order to control you'. plus it's a pretty well-known phenomenon that abusive/manipulative people use therapy not to get better, but to become better manipulators. obviously i'm not saying bethany's blameless (i don't actually know enough either of them to make any kind of call in their relationship) but i'm a little surprised that people aren't picking up what mr bethany is putting down

[@rach3092]

I would literally end myself or someone if I was trapped like that ugh

[@tyler-df3wy]

Alizee putting a vibrator ad on a video about the “we didn’t kiss our husbands until marriage” sisters is an iconic move

[@AlizeeYeezy]

hehehe

[@TaraCarmelina]

That’s their choice tho, if Muslim women made the same choice, people would say it’s empowering and this is coming from someone with a Muslim background, I don’t know why Christian’s get so much more hate than any other religion. I get that some Christian’s have gone off the path of following Jesus telling us our most important commandment is to love but there’s a bad egg in every religious group, the Holy scripture doesn’t incite hate, definitely not the New Testament

[@martinar.5722]

@@TaraCarmelinaYou don't understand why? It's not because of their beliefs, but rather because they preach to everyone and they think they are better than anyone else.

[@edvh88]

@@TaraCarmelinahi, I’ll be happy to pipe up and say that I have a problem with the restrictions of ALL fundamentalist religions, be they Muslim fundies, Christian fundies, or Jewish fundies. I’m reform all the way!!

[@Mels0103]

​@@TaraCarmelinaNo one said they couldn't make that choice, relax.

[@AG_KEMPER]

I will never get over GD not doing enough research on Marilyn Monroe to learn that: 1) MM was Jewish and studied Torah rather diligently 2) She had a horribly traumatic childhood that included at least one ab*ser who was a church-going Christian 3) She never saw herself as a sex symbol and was personally uncomfortable with that label

[@M.I.N.A.]

That whole segment was aweful

[@maskedman0198]

Marilyn Monroe was actually Jewish. She converted when she married her husband Arthur Miller, but still kept her faith after they divorced and all the way until she died. So it's not like she was an Atheist that "lost her way", which is just stupid to say by itself, but what they're basically implying is that she picked the wrong religion. If she had just been Christian, then they think she wouldn't have had depression. Which is, again, stupid.

[@happyjellycatsquid]

Especially considering how she was treated like trash by men and society, so no wonder she was depressed. Also, wasn’t she abused from childhood and struggle with depression since a young age ? Oooohh god is going to fix abuse and clinical depression 🙇‍♀️✨

[@meatofmink]

i mean knowing what i know about the bairds family history her being jewish would be a whole nother issue

[@happyjellycatsquid]

@@meatofmink Yes I’ve just learned their fondness for good old Nazi great-grandpa so it makes their use of Marilyn, a Jewish woman, as a clearly non-researched “bad example” in their fundie Christian book they profit off of and that their Nazi generational wealth might have help fund EVEN WORST ! Especially if you know about the profound traditionalism and sexism prevalent in Nazi discourse (the Nazi used to have a saying that went something like “Kirche, Küchen und kinder“ or something that basically meant women belonged to children, church, and the kitchen…). They’re basically using a Jewish woman’s life to help spread their Nazi-inherited beliefs!!

[@Meowdyzone]

@@meatofmink not surpriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised in the slightest. Deepseated, generally extremist views on Anything can easily lead to antisemitism. Especially political and religious ones due to their histories and inherent requirement of faith.

[@TaraCarmelina]

There is evidence that Christian’s do have a better mental health in general, like actual medical studies. But that’s Christian’s who actually follow the Bible’s doctrine of basing everything on love and peace, a lot of American churches read the Bible a bit wrong, a lot of Old Testament is “overruled” for lack of better word by New Testament, you’re meant to be very forgiving and loving, but Americans base it off this weird hatred for some reason

[@emma-dw5qz]

Not even 20 minutes in but it's so foul how girl defined used Marilyn Monroe's death to make themselves look superior. They really do just jump at the opportunity to tear other women--even women who passed 61 years ago--down to make themselves feel better ...

[@vvitch-mist20]

The fact that some people only see her as a bimbo is incredibly sad.

[@jakobm1291]

@@vvitch-mist20 to be fair, it says more about them than it does about her. you've got to be a true idiot to watch movies and assume that the actors are like that in real life/in their personal off-time 24/7. for some reason everyone knows that johnny depp doesn't actually have scissors for hands... but a woman having an intelligent personality outside the "bimbo" role she plays is apparently in the realm of fiction. 🤦😑

[@strangeaelurus]

​@@vvitch-mist20absolutely!! Marilyn herself said she didn't want to be seen as a sex symbol.

[@edvh88]

Norma Jean… a beautiful woman who was missed by men /the film industry.

[@mariaquiet6211]

their view is so skewed it's almost beyond criticism. my only real question is how the hell they even felt entitled to weigh in on her life? and who thought it was worth publishing, and why? and who is taking them seriously? i'm starting to think their core audience consists of people laughing at them. i'm starting to think they're the only ones buying the book. i'm starting to wonder if they're secretly leftist and queer and radical feminists and their entire career is deadpan mockery

[@chiyana3418]

30:07 "God was too creative to just create one gender." "Oh, so nonbinary-" "WHOA now, he wasn't THAT creative, that's just crazy talk!"

[@crowdemon_archives]

Man, they're selling Yahweh short lol

[@alicegaiba]

Marilyn Monroe was allegedly sexually assaulted several times when she was young and her life in general was mostly miserable even before she became famous so it's not like it all went south as soon as she "allowed the culture to define her womanhood"

[@chaosspy6723]

What's worse is it even happened after she died too. You can't even escape SA in death.

[@violeta3555]

@@chaosspy6723was going to say, she never got a break. Disgusting what happened to her

[@cottage-core_]

​@chaosspy6723 and to top it all off she's haunted by Hugh goddamn Hefner sat atop her grave

[@mmmi6908]

"Miscarriage wasn't even an option" wow!! Getting pregnant7 months into the marriage, without even trying! Don't tell me Bethany doesn't hate Kristen! She's twisting that knife, like only a fake nice "Christian "woman can!

[@Kaffee_auf_ex]

Right? The sisters relationship seems so toxic, there's so much jealousy and revenge there

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

And Kristen ended up adopting 2 boys from Ukraine, she and her husband Zack didn't even bother to learn their native language and change their names to sound more American. On an Instagram post, Kristen said that she still feels "Discontent and miserable" for not having biological children.

[@b.collins2656]

@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 as someone who was adopted from another country, kristen can fuck right off for thinking adoption is an inferior substitute for biological children (and a way to get those sweet, sweet social brownie points). i feel mortified for those boys because you just know she's going to let her resentment seep in through her parenting.

[@ingweking8748]

​@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880Yeah they both suck actually.I feel sorry for the Ukranian boys.

[@marymac3572]

​@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880those poor kids. They're not accessories, they're people who will have access to her social media when they're older.

[@almightygod2144]

Fun fact: The word that people translate as "helper" for Eve is more aptly translated as savior or rescuer.

[@edvh88]

I’m on board for an eve centric religion!

[@almightygod2144]

@@edvh88 I, for one, welcome our female overlords.

[@catdownthestreet]

@@edvh88I’m in

[@mentallyunw3ll]

I was raised to traditional, republican, southern Christian parents. I was in the church from birth until about 16. Now as a 26 year old women I can not expressed how damaging purity culture specifically was on my life. Hearing them talk about not being feminists so they can be more pleasing to Gods path makes me so incredibly angry. As a bisexual women who spent most of her time in the southern United states, having my own liberal values, I have had to fight SO FUCKING HARD to have respect and independence where I feel SAFE. These women give me hives.

[@irradiated_woman8016]

Ayyye samesies, except I'm gay and my upbringing got me so fcked up that I couldn't fully accept it until I was 24. My best bud was raised in the same place/church/environment and he was put into full-on christian gay conversion therapy because he couldn't hide it well enough. People think that sh doesn't happen anymore, but this wasn't all that long ago. 15 years or so.

[@mentallyunw3ll]

@@irradiated_woman8016 I didn’t come out until I was 24 as well! It really really fucks with the foundation of your mental growth when you’re a kid. I don’t mind religion but Christianity has gotten out of control in some places

[@irradiated_woman8016]

@@mentallyunw3ll a big ironic AMEN to that lol. I think religion has it's utility.... But I'm glad I don't need it myself.

[@mostprofoundquiet]

The look on Kristen's FACE as Bethany gushes about being able to have children seems really telling to me.

[@DanielleVlog365]

Most real she has ever seemed

[@pennyraehawkins9788]

Honestly it makes me a bit sad. She’s clearly devastated at her inability to get pregnant but poker faces through Bethany’s gushing. To me, that says Kristin doesn’t feel comfortable or safe talking through her feelings with her sister and that’s honestly a little heartbreaking.

[@corneliakobilke4638]

@@pennyraehawkins9788it is sad. Im sure they don’t believe in ivf either even though that could at least clarify what the problem is

[@thebowandbullet]

Re. gender neutral bathrooms: I saw some perfect ones in a few restaurants recently. There's 1 bathroom, each stall is basically a small room (3 walls and a door), no gaps under walls or door. The line of sinks is open and shared. This is so much better than most public bathrooms!

[@gaolen]

this is very common in the netherlands, most bathrooms are shared and are proper rooms

[@carl-wheezer]

​@@gaolenIk heb geen idee waar jij woont maar de meeste zijn nog zeer ouderwets en waardeloos hier 😕

[@gaolen]

@@carl-wheezer in groningen. de enige gescheiden toiletten zijn die waarvoor je moet betalen meestal, maar naar mijn ervaring, in restaurants, ziekenhuizen en kantoren etc zijn ze hier normaal redelijk goed gebouwd. zeker niet met 5cm gaten zoals je ze in amerika ziet voorbijkomen

[@farkasmactavish]

Gender segregated bathrooms is a nonsense concept from the outset lol

[@taiyaki4141]

i visited denmark and norway recently and both were about 50/50 of this type and the american type. i have to say that i really felt no difference in comfort, especially because the stalls are much more private than american ones. i wish everywhere in america would make the switch tbh

[@Eli-di1by]

LET.MARILYN.REST.IN.PEACE ! I'm so sick of people using this poor woman to get a point across.

[@scootypoot3205]

Thank you! It's to the point where it's become straight up disrespectful imo.

[@lilac8420]

The way they insinuated (or outright said…) that infertility is because of sin and sinful made me audibly gasp, how insensitive can you be?

[@the_last_ballad]

Especially since one of them is in an infertile relationship(can't say for sure who is infertile, or whether it's an issue with how they are doing it... but the sister is very vocal about her discontent about being unable to have biological children)

[@zaunerswife]

not girl defined.. alizee I never expected this..

[@AlizeeYeezy]

never let them know your next move

[@Redribbon28]

The fact that this is sponsored by sex toys is beautiful 😗👌🏻

[@GreenEyedGumby]

They sponsor so many KZbinrs who analyze/rebut girl defined. It’s brilliant.

[@RozWBrazel]

PR department running circles around the rest

[@crowdemon_archives]

Well, if anything, some of these people in the topic really need a bit of spicy toys to stfu lol

[@HoshiMiddayDelusion]

36:51 so they think waiting until you're ready to have a child is selfish but it's not selfish to bring a child to this world when you can't afford one or don't want one and potentially make them suffer just so you feel like god loves you? Ok, Kristany

[@AshleyKiMiller]

privilege + ignorance = this mess Edit: don't forget to add a sprinkle of insufferable self righteousness

[@demitwice]

alizee unfortunately as a catholic i have to say most evangelicals think the pope was sent by satan or something and his words mean nothing 😭 which is incredibly annoying considering yes pope francis is way more open and progressive

[@nailinthefashion]

It's wild to think tribalism is alive and well in 2023. Did they not learn from the crusades or anything? Gadayum, licherally....

[@noelletakesthesky3977]

Yet they loved the Nazi pope.

[@smolexfundie6458]

As an ex-evangelical, I can confirm a lot of Christians believe that 😭💀

[@platedlizard]

Yeah it’s suuuper common lol there’s lots of Christians who don’t think Catholics are Christian

[@maledictionwolf]

This is actually the reason the inverted cross is commonly believed to be Satanic! It's associated with the pope, and cartoonists even from way back when would use it as a way to symbolize the pope who they believed to be Satan. Eventually the papal connection was lost, and it just became shorthand for Satan. It's actual meaning is humility before God and its proper name is St. Peter's cross. He asked to be crucified upside- down because he did not believe himself worthy to die the same way Jesus did. Also, IIRC the pope being an emissary of Satan was one of Martin Luther's 99 theses and one of the founding beliefs of Protestantism.

[@caseyslezak6144]

“Imagine being called Sir when your identity is Ma’am” “This is why gender neutral language is bad” How they get SO close to the point and still miss it never ceases to amaze me

[@edvh88]

I actually was mistaken for a guy once. I survived!!

[@crowdemon_archives]

I never correct anyone's pronouns for me because it amuses me to see how many different pronouns I get to collect. 😂

[@disembodied1273]

​@@crowdemon_archivessame! I get sir and ma'am pretty much interchangeabley and that suits me just fine

[@maximillian1109]

I thought Sir was neutral. Isn't it used in the military for anyone of speciffic ranks, or am I stupid?

[@disembodied1273]

@@maximillian1109 it might be idk lol

[@celloafterdark4173]

Why are they associating being a model with being a feminist? Those things have nothing to do with one another 😂

[@edvh88]

“I wanna have a child when I’m ready” Um, do you think either the parent or the child benefits from someone becoming a parent BEFORE they are ready?? It’s not something to enter into lightly!

[@AshleyKiMiller]

It's all about ignorance, privilege, and self righteousness.

[@soyvein]

it's so amazing that these girls are able to have such a platform! I wonder if there's some kind of centuries-long social movement that allowed them to be so vocal about their views and opinions!

[@LogicalSuppository]

Underrated comment.

[@noone-gf5op]

literally. they would not be able to leave the kitchen or have their own bank account lol they say dont bite the hand that feeds you. maybe also don't bite the one that grew the trees that bear you fruits now

[@JennaThePanda]

How little they knew about sex as adults is a little terrifying 😳

[@Sixthedragon0720]

Exactly! As someone who is infertile as well, the way the process is described is so childish and sounds like she still doesn’t know how it works

[@edvh88]

Seriously. Also how come they never wonder why god is so obsessed with our sex lives?? It seems unhealthy and weird

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@edvh88you'd think that if Yahweh made us, he would've known how our anatomy works by then... 😅

[@AshleyKiMiller]

the room it creates for abuse is unreal. 🤢🤮

[@MsLizzieGurl]

Their parents really failed them by 1. homeschooling them 2. never talking about sex 3. enforcing purity culture on them as children

[@sydliminal]

22:11 "except for murders" wow, god forbid women do anything

[@sydliminal]

55:11 "just don't do murders" wow, god forbid non-binary ppl do anything

[@edvh88]

Don’t let “the culture” of men define you… let “sky daddy” define you!! Ok!!

[@cmhsky]

Dude. How long have these two been married, and they still haven't figured out how to fight? You're working with a partner, not trying to tear down your enemies and drink their blood

[@MiloKuroshiro]

That's what happens when you can't have past relationships and see marriage as sometjing inevitable and that you can't get away And all the baggage of what their religion preach about their own roles in a relationship

[@cmhsky]

@@MiloKuroshiro i dunno. Being such a harpy that your husband just wants to kill himself because you make him feel worthless is just... Wow. Like. Hi I'm the problem it's me

[@b.collins2656]

better yet, communicate with your partner before a fight has the chance to break out. but then again that requires a lot of emotional intelligence, self-awareness, and the ability to admit you might've been wrong, which are all out of these mental midgets' purview.

[@alexismarnold]

Bethany definitely puts herself on a pedestal and looks down on everyone else. She’s so passive aggressive to everyone around her that you can physically feel how repressed she is

[@victoriad5618]

This video hit so close to home. I’m a woman and growing up had parents who adhered to the same values as Girl Defined. I was homeschooled for everything, wasn’t allowed to wear makeup or paint my nails. They finally let me get a job and drive when I was 18. I just moved out of their house 2 months ago and still trying to get used to the fact that I can do whatever I want. Ughhhhh I am so tired of being told how I should act as a woman. We are all equals, and I wish people would start realizing that.

[@edvh88]

I wish you luck on your journey towards feeling more comfortable in the drivers seat of your life! It is overwhelming, all the choices. I had a great upbringing and still am overwhelmed and feel that I’m not living up to my full potential.

[@angelsnaiilz]

best of luck to you!!!!

[@irradiated_woman8016]

At 27 I still occasionally feel a bit giddy if I go on a trip or something and don't tell my parents, let alone ask anyone's permission :D Unsolicited tips, from one free woman to another: -start looking for a therapist whenever you can afford it. Shop around, find someone you click with, one who understands religious trauma. -pay attention to happy older women you meet, especially 40+ age group, women who _aren't_ part of a high-control religious group, build relationships with those women. It's so helpful to find some mentorship outside of the system you were raised in. I have had great male mentors too, but... Unfortunately you have to be more careful around them. Sincerely, me, who was once propositioned by my 50-year-old former professor whom I thought was my friend... -speaking of that, I find that women raised like us are either hyper-suspicious or completely oblivious to that sort of attention. I fell on the oblivious side-this can be dangerous. Be free, go crazy, have all the fun you can possibly have, but have a backup plan too. -one more, sorry. When it comes to relationships, I strongly recommend against getting serious (cohabitating and such) with anyone until you've fully broken the programming. You can end up playing mommy to some useless dude without even realizing it. It might even feel good. You might tell yourself that it's just how you show love. BONK. Nope, it's that christian wifey programming. It takes a long time to deconstruct and if you aren't careful you may open your eyes in 6 years and realize that you've been living with a dude who is feeding off of you, who you're codependent with, while neither of y'all is actually happy. Lol... Who would that happen to... Not I.... Not _again_ anyway...... Sorry for long crazy post, congrats for getting out and living your own life 🥂💖

[@victoriad5618]

@@irradiated_woman8016 Thank you for the advice!! I have so much to learn and experience and I am so excited and slightly scared. I went to a movie by all by myself a few weeks ago and that was absolutely wild to me. 😂 One of the things that helped me when I would struggle at my parents house was music. As controlling as they were, they didn’t monitor what I listened to, so I grew up on Lana Del Rey. Crazy, right? 😂 anyway, my anthem is her song Ride. The video for that song has gotten me through the toughest times. So to quote Lana… “I am fucking crazy, but I am FREE”

[@dianarodriguez5781]

Congratulations on getting out! I got out 6 years ago and it’s been a journey. I still struggle with religious guilt sometimes and only recently have I made peace with the fact that my relationship with my parents will never be what I want it to be. Be patient with yourself. It takes a long time to undo the brainwashing but I can honestly say that with each passing year, I can look back and see how far I’ve come. Tell yourself you’re proud of you. That feeling goes a long way. I wish you luck on this journey!!

[@mentallyunw3ll]

“Can’t do that with a penis can you?” Had me pulling my car over bc I was laughing so hard. Bitch that sent me😂

[@fee6362]

Apparently, respect for dead people is not a part of their from of Christianity. Their were a lot reasons why Marilyn Monroe wasn't happy. Including SA and other abuse. It's very complex and sad story. Twisting her life and story like this is just gross. An such a hubris to imply she wouldn't had suffered with god. But being dishonest, probably "for the greater good" is a theme with them.

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

One of the older brothers from the "Girl Defined" family was a victim of child SA and now has a channel to prevent child SA.

[@fee6362]

@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 that makes it so much worse. I know Girl defined are also victims of this cult. But that's just a horrible thing to do.

[@emmmwhat7847]

The GD girls truly will never understand that hiding behind all of their posturing and Jesus talk they're actually pretty terrible people.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

Oh they do. They don't even like eachother

[@Caldella]

I got an unexpected laugh out of this comment; some of my friends use "GD" to abbreviate "goddamn" in chats, so that's how I read it at first. From here on, the Girl Defined women will be "The Goddamned Girls" in my head. 👌

[@Kintsugi23]

They think they can act whatever type of way and it's okay because Jesus forgives. Which actually goes so directly against Christian teaching that Paul literally brought it up in one of his epistles.

[@meatofmink]

im waiting for them to turn on each other

[@thebowandbullet]

Most of the homeschooling cases I hear about are from ultra-religious/fundamentalist families. The parents choose to insularize their children away from anyone different so they can fully indoctrinate them into their religion. It *_is_* very cultish.

[@mysticc6232]

Sounds a lot like public school in the west as well. ... the rainbow cult

[@AleTitan]

​@@mysticc6232have you just been playing Devil's advocate for 11 years? Sounds like a crappy hobby if you can even call it that

[@mysticc6232]

@@AleTitan Cute assumption 🤣

[@abhainn35]

@@mysticc6232 "The Rainbow Cult" sounds like one of those MLP creepypasta fanfictions from the 2010s. Also, as someone who goes to public school in the west, I can confirm that there is more Bible cult activity around here than gay cults. My friends were literally approached in a Walmart about a week ago by two strangers who wanted them to join a nearby church.

[@jamesrawlings46]

That was my experience with being homeschooled. All my friends where from the same church, I didn't know so many things and it caused me to be suicidal when I got exposed to the "real world" when I went to public school in high school. I am a trans queer person and didn't even know gay people existed until I was in highschool. It was bad.

[@mentallyunw3ll]

Sky Daddy and I have so much beef. That man owns me money for therapy bills and making Bethany my sleep paralysis demon

[@dnagraceless6212]

When they said "Pull out your bible" I was Honestly expecting her to pull out twilight

[@nyssalynn5216]

I've been blessed. Girl defined brought me to Rachel, and now finally you're addressing their absolute fucking nonsense. -an ex Mormon who subscribed to most of the bullshit they spew and is currently unlearning harmful ideas

[@lunar-1340]

Good luck on your journey.

[@sawyer9969]

it's never too late when you're willing to learn and grow! ❤

[@runa_7022]

them saying "i (kristen/betthany" reads exactly like the aita threads : "i (47m)

[@crowdemon_archives]

Except in those threads, it makes sense to have that context lol

[@runa_7022]

@@crowdemon_archives i know im just saying its the vibe of reddit , when theyre about to tell the most insane story where they are obviously the asshole😭😭 and idk its kinda fuckin cringe anyway but thats reddit so

[@VTPPGLVR]

I grew up with a weird mixture of fundamentalism and no one being into me, and even I was able to accept at a young age that there are far more important things in the world than extramarital sex. And like, my mom loved being a mom. She told my dad she felt getting a job would be a step down for her. And what did she do? Encouraged all her kids (us and our friends who came to see her as a second mom) to chase our passions and trust that we will encounter good things if we just try to grow and love others. And when I kept being single, my parents were both like “Eh, if it happens it’ll happen. So how’s that project you’ve been working on?”

[@hannahtuck8338]

“We are related through the blood of Christ!” “Then I want a DNA test” DAMN did I cackle at that 😂💀

[@magical-soap5359]

😂 lmao got me too 😂

[@RuinedSilver]

as a head up- the greek/christian "Agape" is not pronounced "A gape", it's pronounced "uh-Gah-pay" (I'm trying my best I swear, if someone knows a better phonetic way to spell it, by all means lmk). its also incredibly ironic that GD focuses on that word at one point. So, agape has a few definitions, depending on if you use it in the Greek or Christian context (technically they're the same word, just slightly different connotations based on use and situation). The Christian Agape is a kind of pure, transcendental love that god and his followers are supposed to feel for each other (or something like that, I've never been totally certain- the few people I've talked to always change what it means on me). but the GREEK Agape is pure, genuine, unconditional love, to the point that you would sacrifice yourself for them if the need arose. It also is referred to as a general love for your fellow humans- that no matter what, you believe that humanity has worth and feel compassion for them, no matter their choices or situations. not me ragging on you for your pronunciation- heavens know I mispronounce shit all the time. just thought you'd maybe like to know how, as well as maybe a bit of context for the word itself.

[@theflamedragon2508]

Both you and Rachael Oates have now covered girl defined.. All we need now is a collab

[@strangeaelurus]

The closest thing we've got is that Rachel's her editor 😭😭

[@TheaCassidy713]

good news! the two of them started a series on The Alizee Yeezy Show podcast channel where they rewatch gilmore girls and chat! :D

[@theflamedragon2508]

@@TheaCassidy713 I know lol I just think seeing them both review something like girl defined together would be funny

[@TheaCassidy713]

@@theflamedragon2508 absolutely agreed haha, we'll have to keep our fingers crossed for that one.

[@TheNormExperience]

Alizee and Rachel doing like a parody of these 2 called, ‘Brunettes Undefined’ would be amazing. I also cannot recommend Trixie Mattel and Nick DiRamio’s videos on ‘Girl Defined’ enough - they’re both great.

[@Pa5an1]

All this talk about how women are supposed to be is so validating to me as a trans man who didn’t know until recently that he’s a trans man. It’s good to know that I did everything wrong as a “woman” for the first 30+ years of my life 🤣

[@dog8068]

Wildest thing i was taught in catechism was that not only did Eve cause all humans to have original sin (God cursed all her ancestors for her sin basically), but after that he also cursed her to menstruate once a month and go through the pain of childbirth (and all women for the rest of eternity). They never used the word “curse” even though it was definitely an ancestral blood curse they just called it like a punishment or something

[@dog8068]

I had a teacher tell us once that children born from artificial insemination dont have souls (there were kids in the room that were born that way & knew it). Also that abortion caused 9/11 (another God curse for our misdeeds i guess) I was like 11

[@Coookiiiiiiee]

@@dog8068that’s so fucked up oh my goodness

[@jamesrawlings46]

wtf, that is so messed up

[@carl-wheezer]

I can't believe people still participate in these horrendous and hateful beliefs in 2023 man

[@poxidog]

Funner fact! Jesus wasn't actually the virgin birth, Mary was, and the translation was less virgin and more "free from original sin", so yeah the one kid free from the blood curse births the chosen one. Who says fanfictions a new thing

[@thlover27]

A huge Thank You for pointing out that is Kristin wasn't infertile, there is no way they would be so accepting of non biological children. How Bethany acts regarding her own kids is how they both would act if Kristin was able to have her kids biologically. They would 100% look down on and view those relationships as inferior because it is "not what/how God intended."

[@beethimbles8801]

Rachel’s review of her intercourse-course was hysterical…..at the raw meat point I felt equal parts sickened and embarrassed

[@AshleyKiMiller]

Honestly...someone should do God's work and explain lube to this 30+ year old "girl". Fucking yikes. 😬

[@crowdemon_archives]

Yea if your orifices and appendages feel like sore raw meat, maybe, idk, *stop?*

[@alexradjenovic]

I mean... It can happen. It's usually caused by mismatched libidos, lack of proper lubrication or the woman not actually being in the mood in the first place but feeling pressured to do it anyway.

[@AshleyKiMiller]

​​​​​​​@@alexradjenovicYou were able to explain it in a paragraph. Edit: I don't think the issue is why/if it would happen, but rather why she wasn't taught/didn't learn it before 30 and birthing 2 kids.

[@osmo_sian]

Imagine reading a news story about somebody digging up a new fossil and you're just like not today satan

[@midishh]

those women call it a dark turn for women to family plan and be responsible regarding when they bring children into their life...eeesh

[@crowdemon_archives]

"Responsibility? What's that?"

[@carlosperalta1714]

​@@crowdemon_archivesI think it's a sandwich 😂

[@lunaticproductions0]

love these jokers talking about gender and how creative god was in creating the two sexes or whatever without even paying a thought to intersex people

[@crowdemon_archives]

Or how sex chromosomes can be a major clusterfuck that will either not result in anything major, or turn you into a genetic mess... 😅

[@katherineeaster5799]

Around the 28 minute mark, they somehow made something out of the Bible something that Colleen Hoover could have written.

[@kissesfromblondie]

was thinking the exact same thing 😭

[@JMSayler]

I was raised catholic and opted out when my parents allowed me to around age 16, but the end of this video reminded me of one of the ideas that really sealed the deal for me as a child that I thought Christianity was awful - the notion that all of the millions of people who aren't even given the opportunity to learn that catholicism exists, are going to hell. I remember thinking about that as a kid so much and it feeling so deeply incredibly wrong on so many levels.

[@AshleyKiMiller]

It helps frighten parents and pressure missionaries into "saving souls".

[@xladycaosx]

As far as I remember fro Sunday school, that part is being re-interpreted over time, At least my priest said that according to Catholicism, good people would still go to heaven, no matter their religion. I’m personally more worried about Pope Francis calling child-free people who prefer to have pets over kids or people who don’t want kids sub-human and the fact that women will never enjoy equal power in the Church because “all apostles were male” (they also were not filthy rich, that part somehow didn’t translate to the Catholic church 😇), as explained to me by priests.

[@olivia8243]

Using Marilyn Monroe as an example for their book is incredibly ironic considering Monroe was abused as a child by fundamentalist Christian foster parents. Part of the reason she was so miserable throughout much of her life was that she was raised in the very same purity culture that Girl Defined advocates. God these two could not be more infuriating if they tried

[@lionconstellation]

the fact that i'm the same age as when Bethany first found out about what sex actually is and i'm in a completely opposite boat of knowledge as her, is astounding

[@whatever7959]

I'm sure their pro-life lawyer friend is ecstatic that she finally gets to prosecute women who medically need an abortion to not die of sepsis

[@AshleyKiMiller]

fortunately, it sounds like she dropped out.

[@caseyslezak6144]

“Imagine being misgendered as Sir” “We should call people what God says they are, not what they say they are”

[@crowdemon_archives]

But Yahweh didn't say shite about the gender of my pet fish...?

[@maximillian1109]

​@@crowdemon_archives Your pet fish is clearly an entity far above God, un-genderable and infinate, trapped in a body to small for their full powers to display themselves and tear our fragile universe appart.

[@the_last_ballad]

Meanwhile the bible, the divine word of Yahweh: There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, _male or female,_ all are one in Jesus Christ

[@Singer6171]

"Do what you want. Except Murder." Thanks Alizee.

[@rosamy2017]

That model scouting at the mall thing was so common in the early 2000s. Me and several of my friends got accosted at one time or another. Please Bethany, no one was ever going to send you to Hollywood from a kiosk at the mall. It was just a scheme to get you to buy headshots. (Also the kiosk that tried to talk to me told my mom I was tall and pretty but my nose was too big *coughJEWISHcough* so that’s the kind of professionalism we’re dealing with here lol)

[@clioalexandra6485]

26:33 This made me crack up. I worked as a preschool teacher and we already refer to children as "friends." Even my boss, who was very conservative used this language. It's just a positive way to talk to kids. It's nothing new.

[@TheRogueCommand]

Things that set off my flight or fight response: 1. couple staring directly into the camera with overly bright lighting 2. toxic levels of positivity 3. overly cutesy home décor background 4. giving life advice based on religious clout vs any actual real world experience Needless to say the very first Girl Defined clip you included already had me in survival mode

[@Mr_Daddums]

I'll pay for the therapy you need after having to deal with these two.

[@edvh88]

Are you sure you have that kind of capital?!

[@emmyrose233]

Oh my god thank you for bringing up the jesus and the fig tree parable. I left religion 5 years ago and I still think about that story. Like wtf was that, why was he so mad at that tree

[@a.vangarde5116]

I feel so bad for Bethany's husband.

[@MsLizzieGurl]

The thing about Bethany is that she has resentment that she got married in her 30s and genuinely thought she would be married by 20. She finds "no point" in dating at age 16, but we all know she would've loved to have been married at 18.

[@TangentialTif]

These people like to act like they know everything about a situation when they’ve never experienced it. They tell you that there is only one way you can be to be “rewarded” with the ideal life and partner. Then, when faced with the actual challenges of the situation, they gaslight you and say they never promised you any reward for living up to their standards.

[@aporue5893]

''and what does the bible teach?'' ignorance. certain parts of it teach ignorance.

[@theuntamedleo]

"What passions and gifts has God given to you?" "Sadomasochism. Clearly." 😂😂😂

[@bigolsimp9423]

even worse when you know that marilyn monroe was jewish and they say her life was bad because she wasn't god honoring enough yikes

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

What's even worse is this is the same camp who openly embrace the belief that life is _meant_ to be a struggle. If their logic were consistent, they would praise Monroe for fighting through life. They can't keep their story straight for five minutes.

[@chels05]

Alizee, please allow us to hear the uncensored/even more insulting bits of the script🙏🏻 drag these women, it’s cathartic to me

[@shhimreading906]

tbf tho, christian homeschooling and non-religious homeschooling are wildly different things. christian homeschooling is a cult at least 95% of the time. like, literally, they just seek to indoctrinate you and actively prevent you from learning properly about non-religious schooling. my non-religious homeschooling just involved spending a lot of time around hippy vegans and playing outdoors with my friends. sure i’ve never sat through a physics class but i can read and do maths and i’m gonna study psychology at university despite having never attended school. my parents didn’t homeschool me because they thought they could teach me everything school would.

[@Krissy_K888]

26:29 it would probably blow their minds to find out how many genderless languages exist, that have been around for thousands of years using just they/them

[@AshleyKiMiller]

Not to mention cultures that acknowledge and even celebrate the existence of more than two genders. i.e. the concept of two spirit persons amongst native americans

[@eileenherbert8607]

"It's unlikely you'll regret being pure" It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me.

[@edvh88]

I couldn’t get rid of my virginity fast enough! Ugh

[@crowdemon_archives]

Unfortunately, the lack of anything else attached to the word "pure" could make it mean "pure utter bellend" 😂

[@thevexprojecthd7620]

You can't be out here deteriorating your mental health reading books like this.

[@RainWelsh]

“I’ve taken up boxing, when the apocalypse comes I’m gonna be a raider.” Cackling at the idea of Alizee looking at the possible collapse of society and going “in the new world you’ll either be a farmer or a raider, and I’d rather have blood under my nails than dirt.” Iconic

[@MELLMAO]

If your husband is getting passive suícìd@l ideations from your relationship, you should probably question everything about yourself, your morals and your ethics. I get them from having my chronic pain flare up for over a week, leaving me bed-bound for that time. You are causing your husband as much suffering as having a chronic illness.

[@AzraelonEarth]

I like to imagine someone watching this out there packing up their bag to go do murders as soon as they get confirmation to live their life their own way only to stop short every time Alizee says "don't do murders". It makes me chuckle. It's just funny that you have to throw such a cavaet onto a positive message like "Do your own thing, live your life!" etc.

[@angelsnaiilz]

i was given this book in the peak of my puberty years and HATED IT!! 😍😍 i grew up with some people who loved their rhetoric and i can’t tell you how healing it is to see so many people tear them apart

[@clownEfactory]

I have medical conditions, in an apocalypse I am killing myself with sleeping pills as soon as I run out of my medications. Like... ain't nobody got time to be that miserable.

[@kiplgrl]

i grew up mormon lmao and they told us dinosaur bones are here because god made the earth out of like chunks of other planets. so dinosaurs are aliens in mormonism 💀💀

[@oleander5771]

A sex toy ad on a girl defined video is CRAZYYYYY i love it

[@thepickledpixie9052]

I've been hearing about GD for years through Jaclyn Glenn's channel. I think it's even harder for UKers to get our head round because we live in a largely secular society. I remember how desperate Bethany came across in looking for a husband. Then when he was introduced the internet went "Oooooh noooo". Poor guy would be in a better place mentally if he came out of the closet.

[@Dinobuggasaurus]

“Except for murders” Well great, now what am I supposed to do this weekend

[@lunabunny1047]

Wow, their parents like brainwashed them....I pity these girls honestly. What kinda life is it when your parents control you 24/7...

[@AshleyKiMiller]

plenty of us are raised by deranged, religious zealots without actively perpetuating and monetizing the harm we've experienced...

[@FederalBurroOfInvestigation]

Child free by choice people are evil, huh? Well, I don't want kids to be born with the same medical problems I have, don't want them to be affected by not having the best life because it would impact my ability to care for them, and the foster/adoption systems here have some serious issues... Guilty as charged then! I'm just so evil.

[@Lunar_Butterfly]

“We weren’t trying but wondered why we weren’t getting pregnant” … so strange of a mindset to me

[@42ndadventurer41]

watching this while getting dental fillings so its nice to know we're both in hell right now

[@winfieldwinfield5450]

I get the vibe that the Girl Defined duo was built in a factory.

[@theuntamedleo]

I love the fact that you wondered if they thought that Jesus was white and spoke English. 😂 My father was a pastor, and I've seen thousands of renderings of him as I grew up. It's always hilarious to me when people make him pale white with blue eyes. Such bollocks.

[@magical-soap5359]

It's like a fetish right? 😅

[@theuntamedleo]

@@magical-soap5359 It could be! I have no idea. 😆

[@kelseyontheinternet]

I’m sure Bethany is contributing negatively to her husband’s mental health but he was also put in conversion therapy as a youth. I bet a lot of his shit comes from religious trauma.

[@shhimreading906]

ofc travelling is bad. travelling would mean you might learn about lifestyles better than the one they’re preaching to you 😮

[@nightcoregremlin]

“lobotomite” is sending me straight to hell 💀

[@edvh88]

40:24 I hope the sister without bio kids brags about how she can laugh and sneeze without Peeing herself

[@caseycronan9217]

Woah that livestream clip sounded like what someone says after they extricate themselves from a bad situation. I hope they went on to do some meaningful work with and for each other.

[@missducky9575]

Talking about Girl Defined which is all about Christianity and at the same time giving away adult toys. The pettiness, I'm loving that :D

[@wish154]

An actual soda fountain would be very cool. Not sanitary by any means, but it would be cool.

[@waderagland9354]

27:43 That’s not surprising at all considering the homeschooling 😭 I went to Christian school my whole life and you’re taught to take the entire bible literally, I can’t imagine how much worse it’d be for homeschooled kids.

[@abigailsofialopezmendez6686]

As a Christian myself, and as a woman, this book made me embarrassed... Like, I know not every religion is taught the way mine is, but if you read the bible, like the basic stories, God was very empowering of the woman, even defining the womanhood as more closely related to divinity than men, using women of all backgrounds to teach values and strength. It deeply upsets me when people like this girls encourage such toxic Christianism and praise themselves for teaching biblically inaccurate information and disrespecting people that do not have the same beliefs as them

[@TheMolt1]

Omg, it's the Greek word _agape_ pronounced "uh-GAH-peh." I don't think Woman Defined wants everyone to get a gape...

[@b.collins2656]

more proof that they hate the idea of having fun

[@TheMolt1]

@@b.collins2656 Nooo, they want everyone to get what translates to "unconditional love" or "love for the sake of love" or sometimes "parental love." Which is actually kinda nice sounding, but it kinda dulls the sensual mood, doesn't it?

[@b.collins2656]

@@TheMolt1 i mean. i suppose the parental love part depends on if you're into stepparent stuff

[@tylerdoesstuff6834]

Found these girls through Cody Ko and Noel Miller, glad there's still great KZbinrs still destroying them and their harmful views.

[@fujoshipeanut5074]

"I'm gonna blow both the girls ' mind." ...I'll go sit in a corner now...

[@chaosspy6723]

Even in America, we have the Amish. tf do they mean gender roles are almost extinct? This is the part where I say they should stop using these modern advancements if they want to be better Christians. It's not true but at least we wouldn't hear them.

[@kajielin4354]

Thank you for putting yourself through these things for our entertainment! You are doing more for me than my antidepressant does!