Give Me an Answer - Are We No More Valuable Than the Animals, Trees, and Rocks?

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Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Күн бұрын

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@Josiahministries
@Josiahministries 3 жыл бұрын
Shalom cliffe, God has gifted you with knowledge and wisdom for ages. Thank you for your bravery and courage.
@hablaf12
@hablaf12 3 жыл бұрын
“I have objections to what I’ve learned, I have question and concerns… Give me an aaaannnswerrr!” Stuck in my head all day haha I love it!
@gillyloa5316
@gillyloa5316 2 жыл бұрын
Lol for real
@cleongionetactor
@cleongionetactor 2 жыл бұрын
Again, people don’t want to take responsibility for their sins. They don’t want a book(Bible), that acts like a mirror. “To see their wrong brought to light”, it’s convicting.
@isaiahsambol453
@isaiahsambol453 3 жыл бұрын
I really have to thank the team on this channel for helping me any many other with their faith! Thanks 🙏🏼!!
@capitalismis-dead1320
@capitalismis-dead1320 3 жыл бұрын
A glorious day shall come when ALL life forms shall bow down to our holy and just Creator! Amen!
@JVIPER88
@JVIPER88 3 жыл бұрын
Why are you cheering for slavery?
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 3 жыл бұрын
@@JVIPER88 Slavery by your definition is innevitable. We don't have the means to be free. If you want to be free, stop breathing. We are slaves to air. We are slaves to water. We are slaves to food. No human can survive on our own. We must have assistance. One Master promises to love us. Adopt us. Heal us. Sustain us. Another master wants to lie, cheat, hurt, take advantage of, and even kill us. Those are our only 2 options. The former choice wants us to have a choice even though He is powerful enough to take our will away. The latter choice would give us no choice at all if he was granted the power from the former choice to do so, but is held back while we make our decisions.The former choice created all things from nothing. The latter choice thinks he has created lots of things by manipulating things already in existance and even persuades humans that they have creative powers as well by manipulating things already in existance. With only those 2 choices, which do you choose? I prefer the former. Our Creator. Our God. Our Saviour. Life. The one that gives us the only choice we possibly can have instead of taking it away. The only freedom available to humans. Some unfortunate people will NOT be bowing down to our Creator because they will have chosen not to, using the free will of choice that He gave us.
@JVIPER88
@JVIPER88 3 жыл бұрын
@@charityembryo8387 We are not slaves to air, water and food. They do not Demand anything from us. There is no "punishment" for somehow disobeying them because they don't have rules that we must follow, or suffer the consequences. I completely understand your desire to pick the more pleasant of the two slave masters that you mention. But just because one slave master might be nicer than the other, doesn't change the state of your existence. I hope for both of our sakes that those are not the only two choices.
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 2 жыл бұрын
@@JVIPER88 God does not demand anything either. He WARNS us of our own self-destruction. Ok, we will follow YOUR laws of slavery.... which is slavery, but anyway... You want laws? Laws of gravity. Laws of today's nature leads to death. What other laws do you want? I do believe breathing and the need to nutrition is tied into the LAWS of today's nature. Punishment as you word it, is if you don't breath, you die. If you don't drink, you die. If you don't eat, you die. How is that any different at all. It is as you choose it to be because of perception, but there is no difference. You cannot have double standard justly. But this is all I will say. Anybody who has problems with it are those who choose to believe a lie. Free choice. You may go do as you please.
@JVIPER88
@JVIPER88 2 жыл бұрын
@@charityembryo8387 I'm sure you would agree that the God of the bible is a sentient being, right? He has intelligence, can make decisions, and can act on those decisions, yeah? That's quite different than a "law of nature", and I'm frankly surprised you would make such an argument, given how obviously different these things are. A dictator, and Gravity, are not similar things; no rational person would suggest as much. Air doesn't "punish" you for not breathing it. Air hasn't given you an ultimatum. Air doesn't put a gun to your head and say, "If you disobey me, you will be punished for eternity." Don't allow your biological need for survival cause you to justify slavery.
@Joshua-ev9uw
@Joshua-ev9uw 3 жыл бұрын
The ex military guy had some great questions. It's amazing how Cliffe always seems to have pretty good answers to some of these ridiculously hard questions the students are asking him
@deficrypto1234
@deficrypto1234 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus was clear on not taking up arms and not getting involved in political struggles(Matt 26;52, Rom 12 :17 -19, John 17:16) Jesus had every justification to take up arms against the Romans. His disciples similarly. He didnt cos true christians dont particpate in war (Isa 2;3,4)
@dolyharianto
@dolyharianto 3 жыл бұрын
He should have resigned as a soldier if he thought the military orders were against his heart and christian values
@jndvs95
@jndvs95 3 жыл бұрын
@@deficrypto1234 what about the Christians who fought in WW2 to save? We can't forget that the same God who came in the flesh is the same God who fought with the Jews in the old testament and is the same God who will come down again on a white horse leading his army to establish his kingdom on earth
@deficrypto1234
@deficrypto1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@jndvs95 God didnt come in thé flesh.
@jndvs95
@jndvs95 3 жыл бұрын
@@deficrypto1234 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1‭-‬5‭, ‬7‭-‬14 KJV You cannot call yourself a Christian and also say that God did not become flesh
@Ephesians-yn8ux
@Ephesians-yn8ux 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent as usual Cliffe. Always love listening to you defend the Gospel in the public square.
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 3 жыл бұрын
Yup - always on the defense because reality is slowly creeping Christianity back into its own end zone. It’s looking like there isn’t much ground left, but my hunch is that the apologist will just co-opt the stands as part of the playing field and then claim the parking lot as part of the game.
@Ephesians-yn8ux
@Ephesians-yn8ux 3 жыл бұрын
@@ardbegthequestion that’s your perspective, Christianity has been around over 2 thousand years, you’ll be dead and back to dust on average within 70- if you want to die rejecting Jesus, you certainly won’t be the first or the last to do so.
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ephesians-yn8ux - Hinduism has been around for 4K years. Does this make it more true than your religion? Do you reject Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva or Shakti? If so, how do you reject them? Just claiming I believe in God through the back door of of Rom 1:20, then saying I reject this is yet another (almost brilliant how they did it) ways Christianity has adopted gaslighting as it’s last defense when people are confronted with doubt. The funny thing is, I won’t have the satisfaction of being pompous when I die and get the big “I told you so…” Now if by “reject” you just mean I’m not convinced by what I’d expect a god to be in its own terms, especially given that I have many a decade on a specific one and now “dismiss as inadequate” as the first definition I looked up says, then yes, I rejected the Christian faith. But if you mean, which is often very convoluted by believes (because of scripture, I gather), that if I am not for God, than I am against him, then again, I think this is more a protection mechanism for the believe to feel isolated to confronting really hard questions. Instead, I’m just told, “you just hate god and want to sin.” I get that my rabble-rousing comes across as active rejection, but it’s unfortunately one of the only ways to actually have a conversation in these comments. When I start out curious and asking questions, usually it just goes by like the ephemeral thing that online commenting is.
@rudybarton1171
@rudybarton1171 3 жыл бұрын
The last 5 minutes are powerful!
@peeceei7470
@peeceei7470 2 жыл бұрын
I am blessed by these conversations
@addyzee1335
@addyzee1335 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you Cliffe ❤️
@christopherboskovski7239
@christopherboskovski7239 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe rapping at the start of the video! He speaks with such great wisdom and rhythm.
@username2516
@username2516 2 жыл бұрын
the ice metaphor was powerful brother
@gweilospur5877
@gweilospur5877 3 жыл бұрын
To humans, humans are special. To dogs, dogs are special. To ants, ants are special. I’ll stop there.
@ephemeralenhancement9445
@ephemeralenhancement9445 Жыл бұрын
That guy who took the majority of the video had great questions; but Cliffe's answers were amazing. I'll definitely be using the ice analogy! I hope that guy comes to Jesus soon; his problem seemed to be resistance to giving tribute to God. Thank you for these videos, because they help me learn a lot.
@Bikepaddle
@Bikepaddle 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the dialogue between yourself, your son and the college students. I'd love to hear more of the whole dialogue from their point of view... Is this possible?
@shevy7197
@shevy7197 2 жыл бұрын
Cliffe has a great mind x
@yuuyou3785
@yuuyou3785 3 жыл бұрын
14:38 a definition of faith
@lilbasedboi
@lilbasedboi 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe’s answer around the 17 min mark was so good and my friend there completely missed what he was saying with his follow up
@Chidds
@Chidds 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, the guy's response really didn't connect very well with Clive's point. To address Clive's point, why should I believe his claim that Jesus is thick ice?
@JoeMama-sd2kl
@JoeMama-sd2kl 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chidds he claims that through his personal experience, he finds out that Jesus is a reliable figure to lean on. When you look at the gospels, we can see how Jesus teaches and interacts with other people, He is way ahead of His time and those ethical teachings still ring through until today
@daughteroftheking3220
@daughteroftheking3220 3 жыл бұрын
Now I understand why you said that. I, too loved, his simply, yet intricate explanation! Cliffe is beyond incredible teacher and follower of Chrsit. Praise God we have ppl like him who are bold and knowledgeable in the faith.May God continue to raise more ppl like him, especially from our generation!
@Chidds
@Chidds 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-sd2kl The New Testament teachings are a major aspect that built the foundations of the modern Western society it is kind of obvious that the teachings attributed to Jesus are "way ahead of his time." We say the same about all influential characters, although it really is a pointless statement. As for one's subjective personal experience, that is hardly the best determining factor for me.
@lilbasedboi
@lilbasedboi 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chidds are you the guy cliffe was talking to or something?
@capitalismis-dead1320
@capitalismis-dead1320 3 жыл бұрын
CLIFFE for President 2024!
@Homeoftheclan
@Homeoftheclan 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the great thing about christianity it’s written word can be twisted to make it mean what ever you want it to mean.
@ziarchiveofficial
@ziarchiveofficial 3 жыл бұрын
The guy who chose being a soldier and tries to equate the mission and purpose of Christ during his time in this world is totally diffferent. Once again nobody is forced to follow Christ against their own will. However, soldiers are called to protect and serve the people, implement the law and justice, and fight against considered evil and danger to life. Now when it comes to collateral damage or death of innocent people, we can rely on the right use of technology to prevent war.
@rachelledays9881
@rachelledays9881 2 жыл бұрын
Ever since we started burying our dead instead of leaving bodies out to rot, humans began telling tales of the afterlife. Pay a priest/church to pray for the deceased so their soul will go to heaven. These are things I think about a lot. I see a lot of death where I work. I believe in a God, but not the one from the Bible or the Koran.. I'm trying to figure it out. I know it's good and beautiful and loving, and I call it God, because I don't know what else it could be. I also know that when I pray or even think about God, or just say the word "God", I yawn which stimulates my vagus nerve, part of the nervous system. It fascinates me every time it happens.
@successfocus5850
@successfocus5850 3 жыл бұрын
In answer to the first question, god didn't only permit but he ordered certain wars to happen and was actively involved in them and made Jewish laws about them in the old testament. Jesus was alive during the Roman occupation of the Jewish people but his mission here was not to defeat the Romans with the sword. Instead he defeated wickedness and sin in human hearts with the cross. He died and rose victorious without killing a single person. He won hearts with his word. This is a far greater victory. What would Jesus have done about Nazi Germany? Nobody knows, we can only speculate. Perhaps he would have won hearts in Nazi Germany in the same way that he won hearts across the Roman empire. He and his apostles suffered greatly and rose victorious over one of the greatest empires in human history using no weapon except his living word and the power of the cross, using his gospel oh and of course the power of the holy spirit.
@陳光方
@陳光方 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏
@Jamiemorrissey111
@Jamiemorrissey111 2 жыл бұрын
Your the man , praise God
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын
If _anyone_ has any questions concerning the position of atheism or would like to understand why a former evangelical Christian came to adopt such a position, I will gladly answer any questions you may have. Peace.
@AlphaeusNg
@AlphaeusNg 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Do anyone know if there is a schedule for when Cliff appears in which universities?
@cameroneagle4370
@cameroneagle4370 3 жыл бұрын
yes , christians should follow JUST laws handed down from governments , but in N0 way are we told to follow UNJUST laws handed down from governments.......
@zeraphking1407
@zeraphking1407 2 жыл бұрын
This man doesn't differentiate between a just war and unnecessary violence.
@khole15
@khole15 2 жыл бұрын
Has America participated in a" just war" since ww2 though?
@zeraphking1407
@zeraphking1407 2 жыл бұрын
@@khole15 I would say so. Vietnam.
@khole15
@khole15 2 жыл бұрын
@@zeraphking1407 i dont think we will come to agreement on what a" just war" is, if this is your example RJ Rummel estimated that American forces committed around 5,500 intentional democidal mass-killings between 1960 and 1972, from a range of between 4,000 and 10,000 killed in democide. Benjamin Valentino attributes possibly 110,000-310,000 “counter guerrilla mass killings” to U.S. and South Vietnamese forces during the war. Estimates for the number of North Vietnamese civilian deaths resulting from US bombing range from 30,000-65,000. Higher estimates place the number of civilian deaths caused by American bombing of North Vietnam in Operation Rolling Thunder at 182,000. American bombing in Cambodia is estimated to have killed between 30,000 and 150,000 civilians and combatants. 2 million gallons of Agent Orange, some of which was contaminated with Dioxin, was sprayed by the U.S. military over more than 10% of Southern Vietnam, as part of the U.S. herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971. Vietnam’s government claimed that 400,000 people were killed or maimed as a result of after effects, and that 500,000 children were born with birth defects. However, the United States government has challenged these figures as being unreliable No unnecessary violence here, right?
@zeraphking1407
@zeraphking1407 2 жыл бұрын
@@khole15 That's not what defines a just war. If police raid a house where girls are being held as sex slaves, HOW they conduct the raid does not change the need for the raid. It was necessary to try and stop the spread of violent butchers (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc) into SE Asia.
@lilyprabakar1531
@lilyprabakar1531 3 жыл бұрын
If everyone will be Christ like, there will be no war or airstrike.
@keepthechange2811
@keepthechange2811 3 жыл бұрын
The laws of Moses work perfectly if everyone follows. And if everyone turns the other cheek..Noone would ever have to. But we're so unrighteous.
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 3 жыл бұрын
The true definition of love. Not selfish love or commercialized love. Pure true love. The 10 commandments. Not to just the Israelites, but to the whole world. Meant to be a given since creation but we were too ignorant to pick up on it so it had to be carved in stone during the time of Moses. "If ye love me, keep my commandments" "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." And those are New Testament verses.
@HopeBloomMusic
@HopeBloomMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Let us not forget that Jesus Christ IS the God of the Old Testament and God does not change. He establishes the rulers. He continues to pour out judgement on evil nations as He wills.
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 3 жыл бұрын
Except Jesus is never specifically mentioned in the OT. This is why Judson still exists. Christian’s vacuous appeals to prophecy don’t get past the vast amount of things we’d expect to see in the Ot of Jesus was really there all along.
@nkznkz3800
@nkznkz3800 3 жыл бұрын
We are worse then animals. Animals tend to remain in an equilibrium that ensures the survival of the fittest, and never risks the existence of 'life' at large on a general principle. Life tends to take care of itself. Humanity, at it's best, can be like a sheparding species that ensures the survival of less lucky species, preserves them for history, learns from the unique properties maintained that way, and treats all of his environment in similar manner. Humanity, at it's current, does the polar opposite. We are responsible for the majority of instinctions in the animal kingdom, and our greed keeps us doing it 24/7. We are losing Biodiversity by the minute, and nobody cares aslong as it's printing money and the goofy old fuck in a hat in the vatican is able to do his 'amens'. So no, we are not more valuable as of this moment. That is not some nilly willy 'attribute', that we get just cause we want to, because we want to feel special. It's a standard you have to earn. For us to be better then animals, we need to behave that way. And be a net benefit on the environments we call home, and not a fucking negative.
@ryanesau8147
@ryanesau8147 2 жыл бұрын
That’s just a ridiculous assessment..humans at any point have more value than any animal..why? God gives them value because they are made in ahis image. Animals were created for two main reasons, one to give glory to Gods creation and two for man’s use and pleasure
@leendom2028
@leendom2028 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not! In fact GOD instructed us to have dominion over all HIS Creations in the earth! In bible says Genesis 1: 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground! Meaning we are more precious to all of this! The animals and trees,rocks! GOD provided all we need before HE made us! See we are more important than all this! And most of all GOD created us in HIS IMAGE! I think we are god too in took care of all the creation of GOD 🙏❤️ so let us be more loving in the animals on natural resource and air! and be careful to things that can harm to GOD'S Creation ! And Lucifer are get jealous Because GOD choose mankind to be god of HIS creation and not Satan! Be thankful instead of complaining to GOD we are in the position that Satan wants! Don't believe in Satan lies he want only to accompanied him to his destinations which is lake of fire! Don't be decieve and pray more often🙏❤️ 16:56
@potterytool7444
@potterytool7444 3 жыл бұрын
Those who think Jesus is a pacifist have not read revelations!! Rev 19- 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
@nikokapanen82
@nikokapanen82 3 жыл бұрын
It is the end times. Right now we are not called for any offensive actions.
@jndvs95
@jndvs95 3 жыл бұрын
The concept is, who are we on earth to enact God's justice and vengeance? We are not perfect therefore we cannot perfectly enact justice and vengeance but Jesus, God, can and will. However, I think God makes exceptions when it comes to protecting innocent from evil
@gagarigabinalayefa3617
@gagarigabinalayefa3617 3 жыл бұрын
I love the last statement
@FAITH.UNSHAKEN
@FAITH.UNSHAKEN 6 ай бұрын
7:45
@hybridramper-futurearmy1160
@hybridramper-futurearmy1160 2 жыл бұрын
Are these videos old or new just curious. I like this channel though
@MISNEGRASLINDAS
@MISNEGRASLINDAS 3 жыл бұрын
He's right, Jesus would never kill anyone so a Christian shouldn't
@chriseasterly5142
@chriseasterly5142 3 жыл бұрын
Read Revelation 19. Alot of killing in the Second Coming of Christ.
@devin_the_dude
@devin_the_dude 3 жыл бұрын
Good on that first young man.
@kristophstjames4143
@kristophstjames4143 3 жыл бұрын
He hits his stride at 22:10 to 26:00
@FAITH.UNSHAKEN
@FAITH.UNSHAKEN 6 ай бұрын
10:30
@thepherm
@thepherm 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@hablaf12
@hablaf12 3 жыл бұрын
The first guy was probably a supply clerk in the Air Force lol. Only life he took was paper via stapler
@Dolphin._.
@Dolphin._. 3 жыл бұрын
I don't doubt that the Chair force has seen many horrors. Running out of printer paper, for example. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy! Lol
@hablaf12
@hablaf12 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dolphin._. hahaha exactly!
@gukes-aem
@gukes-aem Жыл бұрын
There are differences between what different religions believe to be objective morality.
@tyman7156
@tyman7156 2 жыл бұрын
god gave us free will, but jesus also said you did not choose me, i chose you. so are we chosen if we're believers or did we choose God?
@peterfirmandi1172
@peterfirmandi1172 3 жыл бұрын
Why cliffe did not mention that the moral law or commandment is saying you shall not murder (not saying you shall not kill). There is big different between murder and killing. That's why we hear in the news "accident in Pacific highway killed two people" instead of "accident in Pacific Highway murdered two people" Picking up your weapon for your country is not murdering other human being.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
it's highly subjective isn't it Peter.
@eenne2
@eenne2 2 ай бұрын
@@bonnie43ukno not at all, the definition of murder and killing is very different
@SpintowardsJesus
@SpintowardsJesus Жыл бұрын
Just because i can't imagine Jesus driving a car doesn't mean i should ride a bike or walk😂 The guy at the end doesn't want to thank God for everything he accomplishes because he is selfish, he wants people to see him as greatness. We owe everything we do and have to many people, parents, friends, government, and first and foremost God❤
@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe
@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe 2 жыл бұрын
Soldier boy can find the answer to his question in the Book of Revelation when Jesus returns.⚖️🗡️
@BillyHarcrow
@BillyHarcrow 3 жыл бұрын
are all these old videos?
@barryallen8753
@barryallen8753 3 жыл бұрын
If I’m waking on thin ice I know GOD gots me cause his my creator my king and I have faith :) and I know his always with me his all GOD my father :)
@christinalynn8143
@christinalynn8143 3 жыл бұрын
I can imagine God and Jesus casting a human soul to hell for all eternity. The scriptures can be referenced that there are times for peace, times for war... Just as much humans should know and understand that as God does not like, nor does God love evil, neither shall humans. These things said there are soliders in elect who serve to protect and defend. This is again a controversial display that which leans ex service member extending opinion as a show of disrespect to those of honor. One must understand the full story and all facts to assess accurately, at times information is confidential. Good thing this young man has the time on his life path to fully assess and fairly determine his opinions. Hopefully he factors in everyone fairly with full knowledge of the events.
@aidanblackwood9068
@aidanblackwood9068 2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏
@dean2800
@dean2800 2 жыл бұрын
In today’s society would that same argument be used when trying foreigners
@jonathanjosiah4733
@jonathanjosiah4733 3 жыл бұрын
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, yet few do it. Is this complicated?
@truthseeker9016
@truthseeker9016 3 жыл бұрын
So we all like to give ourselves a pat on our backs because we are at the end of the day a good person. Says who? You don't know anything about yourself until you are tested. It's the test that proves what you are. Just take stock of your own life and see what you did in favor of your own self preservation and self ego. Knowledge is useless until it's tested. The test is for our benefit not God's.
@AlphaAchilles
@AlphaAchilles 3 жыл бұрын
I bet that kid is a mechanic in the Air Force and has never seen the horrors of war and what our enemies are capable of.
@zephyr1408
@zephyr1408 3 жыл бұрын
Revelation Cliff! How bout the 185,000 soldiers cliff !
@robfield-n7v
@robfield-n7v 7 ай бұрын
1 Corinthians 13:8-13, Romans 12:18, Romans 14:19, Hebrews 12:14, James 1:19, James 4:6,
@luissandoval7388
@luissandoval7388 3 жыл бұрын
" I don't believe in God, I believe in science " - Eskeleto from Nacho Libre
@factenter6787
@factenter6787 3 жыл бұрын
"Even a brilliant research scientist can waste his or her efforts, in [Stephen Hawking's] case on theoretically impossible lines of research, if he or she rejects clear evidence pointing to God."--Hugh Ross, Ph.D., astrophysicist and Christian
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
So what? That doesn't say anything about either...
@curiousgeorge555
@curiousgeorge555 3 жыл бұрын
Eskeleto from Nacho Libre's statement is extremely narrow minded. Scientism is dead.
@billyholly
@billyholly 3 жыл бұрын
...and this is a false dichotomy. God and science cannot be compared, like trying to contrast the number three with the color green. However, God's laws make science possible and the greatest minds of our society and especially of the last 100 years believe in God in a massively huge majority. Do you really think you know enough about the subject to draw some rational, evidence-based conclusion, also without cognitive bias?
@adayinthelife5772
@adayinthelife5772 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is the only absolute Truth.
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
And HOW did your determine that? Describe the data you analyzed and the methodologies you employed to reach such a conclusion.
@NewCreationInChrist896
@NewCreationInChrist896 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Jesus Christ is the only way to God to Heaven. Study to help your understanding by the power of the Holy Spirit. Our righteousness isn't in ourselves it is in Christ alone. If you heard of Jesus Christ you're responsible for having heard of Him. John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me".
@hablaf12
@hablaf12 3 жыл бұрын
Amen! PTL!
@jackalsgate1146
@jackalsgate1146 2 жыл бұрын
You are full of nonsense to, Lisa.
@Hy-Brasil
@Hy-Brasil 3 жыл бұрын
well i was on my way to bed but i guess i will stay up another thirty minutes.
@adriangeh6414
@adriangeh6414 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm not allowed to lecture for the university because i'm just a pretend-academic, but if you want to listen to me preach my nonsense i'll be at my little spot near the pigeons."
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR 3 жыл бұрын
Lesson, what you said is subjective and just because you don't agree or like Cliffe and his message doesn't mean others don't. Well done, thanks for the example!
@factenter6787
@factenter6787 3 жыл бұрын
He is not a university lecturer or professor, he is a pastor and evangelist. And he is preaching the Gospel to people, not pigeons.
@adriangeh6414
@adriangeh6414 3 жыл бұрын
@@factenter6787 you don't say...
@JekDrummerTime
@JekDrummerTime 3 жыл бұрын
That's good, many professors in universities are dumb anyway.
@dand4485
@dand4485 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting point. I might assert as this guy is eloquently defending a view for pacifism and saying Christ wouldn't pick up a weapon and shoot someone... Would assert the point that there is Messiah Son of David, and Messiah son of Joseph. Meaning there are two forms of Messiah we will see. One suffering (Joseph -beautiful example of Christ suffering to save His family...?) While the other form of Messiah will be the conquering/ruling Messiah, i.e. time when Christ will come the next time will be first to judge sin and set up His rule. When Christ came the first time to die on the cross to shed His blood, it wasn't His time to fight (yet). Christ second coming will be completely different. Christ will come back as the Messiah the first century Jews were looking for. Consider the images/view we have of Christ in the Book of Revelation... He will slay Billions of ungodly people. Thing is though, He is God and we can be sure His judgements are true. We do well not to limit Him or impose a view of Christ as only the suffering Messiah as a human and not fully God, or in light how scripture reveals how He will be the next time He comes to earth.... No disagreement the Bible commands us all to "If at all possible live at peace with all men..." That would include the "Turn the other Cheek..." But isn't there a difference between someone seeking only to kill you, vs. being an irritant? Would assert the verse implies "to live...." at peace, hard to do if they seek only to kill you an others only?
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 3 жыл бұрын
We are ALL God's children. We ALL have the opportunity to accept Him. Just imagine, you have two sons in a drowning boat. You have a helicopter and fly in. You drop a line for them to climb to safety but only one son climbs up while the other son jumps in the water and starts to swim to shore. Too proud to receive any help. He wants to save himself. The shore is a long way off. No human can swim that far without complications. He will either drown or get eaten by a shark. Now let me ask you this... would that be a happy time for you as both of these boy's mother or father? One of your sons is dead. I do believe that the 2nd coming will include legions of angels glorifying the King, and I do believe that Jesus will conduct Himself with authority during this time. But not in the vengeful attitude that many may think. More like a sad parent that must punish their own child by allowing them to be hauled off to jail because the parent gave them opportunity after opportunity to quit disobeying the law but the child didn't care and committed a crime punishable by death. An unthinkable crime. Unpardonable. We will all have a sad day as we watch loved ones brought before the court. Nobody will have it anywhere near as bad as our Creator and Saviour. Father to all. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" Hebrews 13:8
@dand4485
@dand4485 3 жыл бұрын
@@charityembryo8387 What verse ever say man chooses God? Would assert only one that is proud? More and more of the Bible I read it sure is clear, i'm dead, blind a slave and no desire to seek God, no... Not one... All the verses i'm seeing it is all God doing the action of saving, purchasing us out of slavery to sin. Or Christ saying "You did not choose Me, I chose you." Or how about this where is your choice, sure seem *ALL GOD* acting... Titus: 3:3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, Where is a person's actions v5 sure is plain?
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 2 жыл бұрын
@@dand4485 That one little section of the Bible gets mis-interpreted a lot, but that interpretation is not "To the law and to the testimony." and doesn't speak "according to" the rest of "this Word" it tells me there is "no light" in it. "Faith without works is dead" "Blessed are they who keep my commandments" Not on works alone, but not on faith alone either. Read 1John. Can a slave love you if being forced? They might can be trained but as soon as they could, I know I would try to escape. Love can only be mutual. If you take away free choice, you take away a true loving relationship. God is love. This whole time of refining would have just been a joke. Why then allow the self-afflicted suffering of humans? God is not that cruel. Your definition of God doesn't match the God that David writes about in Psalms. Doesn't match the Jesus that died on the cross to give us the chance to return our focus on Him. Like Peter on the water. He still had to walk on water or else he would drown. But he couldn't do it while boasting to the other desciples and losing his focus on Jesus. He started to sink. But thankfully after finally overcoming his fear, he focused once again on Jesus who had His hand stretched out to Peter. Peter had to choose to focus on Jesus AND to accept Jesus's hand that pulled him back up out of the water and into the bosom of his Savior. I understand the error in interpretation though. The real interpretation is discussing humility and who to rightfully give credit to any changes within us. "God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." If we are to be saved by grace, we must remain humble. On my own, I am bound to the flesh. With man this is impossible, but with God, ALL things are possible. I can become a changed soul only thanks to the gift of the Holy Spirit. I have changed and continue to be molded. Like the moon is to the sun. We can never fully replicate God, but we can reflect His character to the world if we follow His direction and stay focused on Him. Let your light so shine before men, that they might see your good works, and glorify the Father which is in heaven. Don't you see? Jesus broke down the commandments into two groups... 1. Love God with all your heart, with all thy might, and all thy soul. 2. Love your neighbor as thyself. By being proud and taking the credit for anything good you do, instead of giving due credit to God, you would be breaking a commandment no matter how much you are boasting to be perfect at keeping them. You have placed yourself above God. No other Gods before me. That is not loving God. Stealing His credit is not love. Jesus never had any complaints about the Pharisees keeping the commandments. He had issues with how they INTERPRETED the commandments to suit their selfish needs, and in return, was not really keeping the commandments like they boasted to be. Jesus said... "I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."
@dand4485
@dand4485 2 жыл бұрын
@@charityembryo8387 Sad thing, i quoted scripture, all you did was provide your own opinion, and rather figurative imaginary reasoning void of scripture...? Asking you provide one verse saying man has the ability to choose. Well i'll stick to what the Bible does say... Would ask "WHO" is the one that saved us and how? Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, wouldn't the choice to believe God be a deed we do? So who is right you or the Bible. Or Eph 2:8-10. Why does it clearly say "and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Again God is saying "Not a result of works... And if i were in person could share about 20 more such verses clearly saying it is God going the saving. Wish you the best, just can't accept a person providing no scripture, just personal opinion... I would ask you who was the one ask "Did God really say..." All the while lied about what God did say...
@charityembryo8387
@charityembryo8387 2 жыл бұрын
@@dand4485 Sad thing is, there are tons of scriptures in what I said and you must not have seen a single one or you wouldn't have made the claim that I used none. I will even take the time to count... 10 quoted scriptures and 4 noted references that were suggested to go read. That is hardly "void of scripture", and if ONLY scripture is supposed to be typed or spoken then you have failed your own standard as you have spoken YOUR own testimony. Even Jesus failed as he told stories of parables and only quoted scriptures when the scripture needed to be referenced to prove His point. I am not quoting scripture but I am referencing the Gospels. You are allowed to doubt me, but go read what I reference before you dismiss it or judge it. Jesus does not only quote scripture. He tells stories that are not quotes, but His own analogies. If you want 1 single text, I will give it to you. But ask yourself this, by adopting 1 text, are you eliminating the rest of the story? Maybe not, because it all leads to one truth. But it certainly paints the way more clearly. But here is your text... "CHOOSE ye this day whom you will serve, but as for me and my house, I will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15
@jpix96
@jpix96 2 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of intrested, why is the second commandment of the summation of the law given by God the one who is said to be the golden rule? If your honest the ''golden'' rule has no ground of being absolutly good if you don't value the humans who are made in the image of God!!! Because if you say i hate myself or am horrible to myself and i want you to do the same. Then you have logicaly justified to do that to others too... But that's why i would purpose to look at what Jesus said what's the first of those two commandments which sums up the law!!! ''Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'' Matthew 22:37 I hope you understand now how important it is too Love the one in whose image we are made first! Without that ultimate love the second commandment say's nothing!
@francmittelo6731
@francmittelo6731 3 жыл бұрын
We are more valuable than other animals because we are human. The same way lions see themselves as more valuable than us, and they would eat us if they had the chance. This is not evidence of "an immaterial creator mind with a personality that exist outside space-time." LOL
@TreenighetMaranata
@TreenighetMaranata 9 ай бұрын
He can´t imagine Jesus....... Can you imagine Jesus coming a second time and blood will flow as never before in history, and He will judge, and His judgments will stand forever! Can you imagine Jesus like that? ✝
@yeshualives5989
@yeshualives5989 2 жыл бұрын
I can find alot more verses that JESUS would say otherwise. How is going to war, loving your enemy? How is shooting your enemy blessing them? How is killing your enemy doing good for them? When did any disciples pick up arms? They were constantly being murdered and martyred by their Roman occupiers. Peter picked up a sword and was rebuked by JESUS. It has nothing to do with being a pacifist and everything to do with love and forgiveness. Trusting that GOD has a judgement day for all evil.
@wesleydickens9283
@wesleydickens9283 3 жыл бұрын
The person who thinks CHRIST could never kill a person neglects what the HOLY SPIRIT says to us in Romans and hasn't read The Revelation.
@kveldulfpride
@kveldulfpride 3 жыл бұрын
Would Jesus Christ shoot someone? Why would he need to use a weapon? Pacifism is wrong. Loving your neighbor sometimes requires the sword to protect them. However, you cannot say the same when it comes to living by the sword.
@Kanon-fq5fh
@Kanon-fq5fh 3 жыл бұрын
Cliff why didn’t you just give these kids a direct answer when asked if there’s no love outside of Jesus Christ ? The answer is No ! The word of Yahweh defines what love is and isn’t
@Hy-Brasil
@Hy-Brasil 3 жыл бұрын
i was asking that same question but then i realized these people don't speak that language. he's trying to speak to them in the way they will understand. they would have just hit back with loads of examples of how you can be a good person and still be an atheist. but that's looking at it from such a skewed perspective......like an ant trying to understand how a nuclear powerplant functions.... KNOWING God's absolute unconditional love after a life of conditional love based on physical or temporary needs is like night and day. most people only get that sort of revelation after a near death experience. others have a vague idea of how it's supposed to work. when you reach that point you realize there is nothing in this world that can ever satisfy your hunger. the music is no longer pleasant, the food tastes bland, sex is no longer all that pleasurable. ALL you want to do is hurry up and get this life over with so you can be with your Father. and maybe that's a better way to explain it. thinking back to those days when you were a child waiting for your mom to come pick you up from school because you don't feel good....you feel like you will never be happy again until the moment you see that beloved parent. you know your teacher doesnt love you, your best friend is cool, but they don't love you.... mom and dad... they love you. Big difference. at least that's how I've come to view it. I know there are a lot of people who like me, but they wouldn't if they REALLY knew me. God KNOWS me.....and he still loves me in spite of all my mistakes. HE knows i'm trying. anyway, it's only a simple NO answer if you truly understand unconditional love. and i'm afraid many people don't. they've lost that childlike innocence.
@aioniansage6081
@aioniansage6081 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hy-Brasil Could it be that 'lost people' are future 'saved people?' 1Tim.4:10; Col.1:20; Phil.2:10,11; 1 Cor.15:28
@SOG537
@SOG537 Жыл бұрын
The first man apparently never read the book of Revelation and what Jesus does in his judgement. As well as he has trouble separating just wars and Americas wars.
@morjesusgan3
@morjesusgan3 3 жыл бұрын
The first time Jesus came in peace to bring sinners to repentance but the second coming will be very different. Matthew 10:34-36 English Standard Version Not Peace, but a Sword 34 (A)“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. (B)I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
How did you come to conclude this Jesus ever existed?
@morjesusgan3
@morjesusgan3 3 жыл бұрын
@@theoskeptomai2535 There is more archaeological and manuscript evidence of Jesus’s existence than any person in history. Even atheist historians don’t doubt His existence.
@morjesusgan3
@morjesusgan3 3 жыл бұрын
If you read the word, you can get to know Him and even have a personal relationship with him. He will open your eyes and change you in ways you never thought possible. Jesus is the truth, the life and the only way to eternal life.
@morjesusgan3
@morjesusgan3 3 жыл бұрын
Oh and another cool fact is after his resurrection, he appeared to @500 people at once which was reliably documented not long after the event.
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@morjesusgan3 You are wrong on every single assertion you have made. Name one _evidentiary fact_ that substantiates the historicity of this Jesus. I look forward to your excuses, denials, deflections, red herrings, what aboutisms, scripture passages, threats of eternal salvation, and even additional false projections - anything but providing one _evidentiary fact_ that substantiates the historicity of Jesus.
@jelly7310
@jelly7310 3 жыл бұрын
So the first guy joined the military then complained about having to kill the enemy? I call BS that he ever saw actual combat. We didn't kill innocent people in that war, we killed the enemy.
@hablaf12
@hablaf12 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@Jonas-gl9ke
@Jonas-gl9ke 3 жыл бұрын
Do you believe every casualty of the Iraqi war was “the enemy”? How do you differentiate an ally vs. an enemy?
@colinmatts
@colinmatts 3 жыл бұрын
We have no more INTRINSIC value than the animals trees or rocks. However, because we have big complex brains, we can give our own lives and the lives of those around us value.
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
On your first point... If the God of the Bible does not exist, you are exactly right! On your second point... You mean make stuff up and pretend? Yeah, you would need to actually argue for your second claim...
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 The clue is in the 'complex brains' Jesse, .. with a complex brain that allows us to figure out complex stuff. A good example would be mankinds ability to figure out how to make fire. This was a *huge* evolutionary leap forward in terms of what it enabled us to do. The benefits of being able to make fire were incalculable. We could fight off predators, cook meat, see in the dark, keep warm etc etc.. it would lead to us being able to heat rocks and extract basic metals.. no doubt you've heard of the Iron age?, or the Bronze age.. take a few minutes to look these things up on Wikipedia Jesse and see the effect it had on mankinds progress. Complex brains my friend.. complex brains!!
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
@@bonnie43uk The complex brain that you believe is the byproduct of time+time+chance, driven by a mindless and unguided process that was supposedly predicated upon survival and not truth? See Bonnie, you just aren't being rational or consistent-EVER! That's a waste of the complex brain that God gave you.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 So you don't think man's ability to make fire had a big contribution to mankind's survival on the planet? maybe you need to speak to a few anthropologists. It was a huge game-changer. It gave us dominion over the earth. As I said, spend a little time reading up on the effect the bronze age and the iron age had on mankind. I'd love to know what history books you glean your knowledge from Jesse.
@eenne2
@eenne2 2 ай бұрын
@@bonnie43uk you just mentioned a bunch of discoveries and inventions like that has nish to do with the topic at hand😭. So please calm down the condescending tone if youre just gonna completely beat around the argument😂
@busterswordguy5844
@busterswordguy5844 3 жыл бұрын
If you join the military of any kind and your duty is kill who they tell you is the enemy. That blood is on your leaders not you. It is better to obey your higher ranking officers then to thrown in prison or put to death by those you made an oath with.
@Jonas-gl9ke
@Jonas-gl9ke 3 жыл бұрын
Every military officer swears an oath upon commissioning. That oath is not to obey all orders. It is to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” It is simply wrong to assert that a member of the military has an obligation to follow any order no matter what. Things are a lot more nuanced than you make it out to be.
@benjaminlamken3780
@benjaminlamken3780 2 жыл бұрын
Dude needs to reread the stats in civilian deaths in these conflicts
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement as to the existence of gods until sufficient credible evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._* And here is the evidence I must consider when evaluating the claim by theists and as to why I currently hold to such a position. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists. 5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Copy Paste! At it again are ya? I've answered you point-by-point numerous times. But you never acknowledge or address a single one. All you ever do is run away... or mute folks who dare to challenge you. Happy trolling, cynic!
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 I have never once never once seen you address this comment in smy manner, much less "point by point". And you _will_ refuse to do so yet again. Here, I will demonstrate so. What is the FIRST point of my original comment that you would care to contest? Do so ONE point at a time. I am not going to read past your first point of contention or the first question you ask. So do so ONE contention or ONE question at a time until that contention is resolved or question is answered. And I will vow to address _each and every_ issue or question concerning this original comment. Will YOU viw to do the same Jesse? Yes or no.
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisTheKing172 Thanks for your encouraging words.
@ashlynnshoolroy28
@ashlynnshoolroy28 3 жыл бұрын
I just commented on someone about the origins of the universe coming from "natural" causes. You may not be able to observe God directly but you still can't explain the origins of the universe naturally coming into existence. I think the point Cliff was making in the video is that it is fine for us Christians to rationalize our position is completely fine. The question is, however, can you rationalize your position on the origin of the universe. Here's the comment I posted a little bit ago about it. The premise you make in your theorem format assumes that the universe can have natural origins simply because of the natural laws it functions by. You should know that scientist still struggle with the Big Bang hypothesis as the origin of the Universe (Even the most popular scientists after decades of study in physics cannot give you a straightforward answer). Why? Because Scientists have found out that in order for a universe to originate by "natural means" as you call it, it would have to break fundamental laws of physics like the Law of Thermodynamics (e.i. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, and everything tends to digress toward entropy). In the most extreme cases scientists insinuate the existence of dark matter and dark energy that cannot be directly measured and cannot be confirmed to explain the existence of the universe (Using dark matter and dark energy to explain unpredicted gravitational pulls in a galaxy doesn't count for its existence because they still can't directly measure dark matter and energy like they can for observable matter and energy). In other words, in order for the Big Bang to "Naturally" work, it has to lean on defying fundamental laws of physics or insinuate the existence of things that cannot be proven to exist because they can't be measured, fundamentally making the Big Bang UNnatural. It only seems natural because there is an "explanation" the scientists have made, but that's just what it all is, an explanation, not truth. I can glean more into how popular scientists lean on unnatural origins of the universe like how the first stars even formed or how the planets in the solar system began. They very often sound the same in that they insinuate dark matter or energy, break the laws of gravity, and ignore basic gas laws (in making stars) in order to make their models "work." Your theorem is completely wrong because it assumes everything has natural function therefore it has a natural origins, yet the models you lean on to explain the universe's "natural" origin has unnatural implications. You would sound no different than a Christian saying the universe has natural function but cannot begin by natural causes; therefore it has to come by unnatural causes (or one supernatural cause with infinite measure) in order for the universe to begin
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashlynnshoolroy28 Do we have any evidence of a supernatural first cause Ashlynn?.. the origins of the universe is a highly complex question that is way beyond the comprehension of the average human being. The truth of the matter is we simply do not know how "everything" began. Science isn't claiming it knows the answer. We're a bit like an ant trying to figure out our place in the world. It's far more complex than any of us could ever imagine. In terms of the bigger picture, we're looking up at the top of a mountain while scrambling around on the lower slopes.
@philipsalmon2192
@philipsalmon2192 3 жыл бұрын
Yes anything else is hubris!
@TheMidnightModder
@TheMidnightModder 3 жыл бұрын
That first guy changed the subject. First it was about whether or not Jesus was a pacifist. Then it was "America is evil, blah, blah, blah." Stay on subject! 😂
@mikeramos91
@mikeramos91 3 жыл бұрын
Yes if there is no God we are no more valuable than trees, rocks or roaches. So whatever happens in life just happens, tough luck.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, .. I'm not aware of any atheists who believe God does not exist, and that whatever happens in life is just tough luck. The vast majority of us simply believe that we're smart enough as a species to work out a system by which we can live together in relative peace and harmony.. civilizations have done this for as long as we've been around.
@joshuaw2652
@joshuaw2652 3 жыл бұрын
Shalom and many blessings to you all. If we just remind the world about the eight eyes of God and the lands that is betrayed towards the world for people to gain control over each other that would be a good start. And then reassuring them that as I am and you are and we are and they are and them are and all are in God as God is in all of us. And being made in the image and likeness with the potential to do what you will or what God Wills makes or breaks the very choices that we act upon. We are all in one and one in all in God We Trust. Why can't we just keep it as such and have peace and goodwill towards each other and not try and harm each other mentally physically or spiritually. As I walk this path of peace and love I hope it is yours as well. Happy holidays and many blessings and Godspeed.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe makes an interesting point at about 09:15 talking about the Nuremberg trials and the American counsel Robert Jackson saying " There is a law above the law, and slaughtering people is *absolutely* unjust and evil" Cliffe says Jackson was appealing to an "objective moral standard" .. yet, if you read your Bibles, there are horrific passages whereby God absolutely condones the butchery and slaughter of thousands of women and children of rival nations, eg: the Midianites, Amalekites, the Caananites. Our moral standards in the 21st century have come a long way since Biblical times. Morals are an ongoing "work in progress" .. all morals need to be taken in context of the situation, and you'll never get 100% agreement, hence why we have courts of law. Even the US supreme court judges will disagree on moral issues.
@billyholly
@billyholly 3 жыл бұрын
In the Bible, have you heard the term, "judgement?" How many HUNDREDS of years were each of these groups involved with greatly sinful behaviour? Still, I find it upsetting but if people think God should do something about evil...and he does (using humans to carry out the sentence) in these cases, the same people complain. The times of the Old Testament were quite violent, lawless, Godless, and sometimes, downright evil. Hyperbole is part of the text when the people are to be "completely" wiped out and then later, it is written, "Don't marry any of them" in the future. Obviously, not ALL were killed because no one marries a corpse.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@billyholly Of course I've heard the term judgment billy... as i said, modern day morality far exceeds morality of the past, I've been saying it for the past decade on here. We don't punish the children of the parents, including little toddlers and even babies, .. yet God seemingly does.. I'm not sure in what context it's acceptable to butcher little children for the "sins" of their parents? Your missing the bigger point of my initial comment, .. if morals are objective, and the source of all morality comes from the God of the Bible.. eg: he is the standard by which we must strive to reach.. why does my own personal inner moral compass tell me that his actions/commands not only fall well short of what any rational human being would regard as moral, but it's much worse than that.. his actions.. butchering women and children, then plundering their goods and setting fire to their homes, that is something akin to what the Nazi's did. It's even worse than that billy, .. if you read Numbers, Moses orders the killing of all the men, women and children, but all the virgin girls were to be kept for the soldiers..can you imagine being a young virgin girl who's just witnessed her entire family butchered in front of her, and now, she's the possession of the man who slaughtered her beloved family. Imagine if that was your daughter and the state of her mind.
@billyholly
@billyholly 3 жыл бұрын
@@bonnie43uk Were innocent children killed? Are you sure? Can you prove it? Remember about the "Don't marry any" statement about a people that was "completely" destroyed? What parts of the text were hyperbole and which weren't? How can YOUR moral compass be more reliable than God's? Why ask us amateurs on here when you could get the detailed results of actual scholars? Why are you wasting your time?
@boltrooktwo
@boltrooktwo 3 жыл бұрын
The morality of Christians have advanced a lot in the 21st century but other cultures have not. If you separate yourself from Christian culture there is no evidence of the steps it took to get to the morality of this day. Where is the evidence of moral philosophy from which people have adopted from a secular source? Secular science points to animal ethics, natural order, and a fight for resources and survival. Please don't pretend there are not loads of cultures that exist today that uphold standards of slaughtering people, abusing, conquering, and enslaving them.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@billyholly This is a very intriguing conversation billy, it's certainly not a waste of time for me. You still don't seem to comprehend what I'm trying to say. It would be fantastic if no innocent children were killed.. that would mean that people themselves ignored what the God of the Bible instructed them to do.. and they used their own sense of reason and logic to act in a more peaceful way. Have you actually read the passages I'm referring to?, particularly Numbers.. it's actually Moses instructing his army, on God's command to commit these atrocities ( we can argue the toss as to whether they actually happened.. as you yourself actually said.. they lived in far more violent times.. so it's good we can actually agree on something). Again, my point being, it's God himself commanding that women and children be slaughtered.. or are you saying that God would never command Moses to kill rival nations?.. or maybe, when God commands it, its ok according to you?. Do you never question anything that goes against your own moral conscience billy? MY moral compass instinctively tells me that ordering the slaughter of women and children is immoral, i would find it very very hard to envisage a scenario in which I would consider it moral. If you think God had a good reason to order the slaughter of women and children billy, I'm all ears. I'd much rather hear your own personal view, than that of a seasoned Christian apologist. .. that would be a bit like me asking a hardened politician why I should vote for him.. I'm sure he'd have lots of ready made answers. Me speaking to you is never a waste of time billy, I always appreciate hearing from you. I might not agree with your views, but I do like to get different opinions that challenge my own views. 😀
@doctr7147
@doctr7147 3 жыл бұрын
Poor old Cliffe ..thinks he knows it all ..but knows jack . .time for another shirt Cliffe
@morjesusgan3
@morjesusgan3 3 жыл бұрын
Luke 12:22-32 King James Version 22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? 25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? 26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
@GraftedOliveBranch
@GraftedOliveBranch 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is Lord.
@paulklemer
@paulklemer 3 жыл бұрын
How can all religions be true when they contradict each other?
@ryanesau8147
@ryanesau8147 2 жыл бұрын
They can’t ..hence Jesus cleared it all up when He said “I Am the way the truth and the light..no one comes to the Father but through Me “
@chrisharmon3750
@chrisharmon3750 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much Chik-fil-a paid for that product placement....
@paulinhisprime8440
@paulinhisprime8440 3 жыл бұрын
Another ending with another mic drop. Support by evidence.
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
_What_ is supported by evidence?
@paulinhisprime8440
@paulinhisprime8440 3 жыл бұрын
@@theoskeptomai2535 meaning if your going to make a truth claim, you should have evidence to support it. And if you don't believe the evidence, what evidence are you using to support what your belief is, or what it is you are living for.
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulinhisprime8440 You just scared the crap out of Theo! 🤣
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulinhisprime8440 So, are _you_ also making the truth claim that this Jesus Christ mentioned in this video is a real entity?
@theoskeptomai2535
@theoskeptomai2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 How did you come to that conclusion Jesse? I simply asked asked a question.
@saintbeloved1011
@saintbeloved1011 3 жыл бұрын
Wait til the 2nd coming Jesus is coming back with vengence upon a evil world
@alexf.3699
@alexf.3699 3 жыл бұрын
13:02 Chick in the black shirt caught in 4k
@kevinm3337
@kevinm3337 3 жыл бұрын
🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺 Jesus Christ is the way the truth and life
@infinitecircles
@infinitecircles 2 ай бұрын
The “law above the law” example he loves to use is terrible. He’s clearly talking to younger students and or people that don’t know how to debate or even ask questions. That law above is what was used in the crusades and inquisition and witch trails. I follow Jesus, but I would destroy him in a debate
@ethughes4060
@ethughes4060 3 жыл бұрын
I just think it's funny people believe the stories in the bible but when you look in to some of the worlds oldest religions they share similar stories for one example the story of Horus the Egyptian god and you we'll see big similarity as the Jesus story does like they both was born on the 25 December they both was hung on a cross and both was rasien in 3 days but yet people that big in Christianity thank the bible was the only truth but all I can say read into other older religion's that came before jewdisem and Christanity if you look at the zodiac symbols the ram and the pisces symbol the fish that is the Jesus symbol and there about 2150 years before we go into each age the story of Moses take place around the age of the ram that way the Jewish still blow the ram horn to this day and that story came 2000 years before Christ story
@_the_watcher_2089
@_the_watcher_2089 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus went in that temple with a whip and ran them out, so yes Jesus would grab a weapon if its needed.
@cameroneagle4370
@cameroneagle4370 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus was indeed hard core , but did he kill?
@adamherrold9730
@adamherrold9730 3 жыл бұрын
Well when he comes back he will bring punishment with the legions of angels behind him. Just read revelations
@jessebryant9233
@jessebryant9233 3 жыл бұрын
What does the Bible say? The Fall... The wages of sin being death... Jesus being the ultimate judge? What about Ecclesiastes? A time for everything... including a time to kill...
@jackalsgate1146
@jackalsgate1146 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessebryant9233 The word Kill is a Vedic term and was first used in the Hindu Vedas, The term Kill {according to the Vedas} means: 1) To give no importance to. 2) To put on a shelf. 3) To make small. 4) To ignore. It does not mean to end someone's life. Are you even aware of how utterly ignorant you are.?
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR 3 жыл бұрын
You all are missing the mark, not every killing is one immoral and two murder. Moral is following orders from your government for example and murder is immoral, Jesus is against murder. Yes, Jesus whipped people, much like a father whips his children for their disobedience. He would not murder because that goes against His character and is sin but when He comes back He is bringing justice with Him. Not everyone will be destroyed but those that are of a corrupt nature!
@zeraphking1407
@zeraphking1407 2 жыл бұрын
We are not Christ.
@davidplummer2473
@davidplummer2473 Жыл бұрын
You don't have to imagine Jesus taking up arms. First, he is God and he pulls that trigger millions of times every year. Second, just read the OT, the orders he gave to the Israelites in Canaan and what he us going to do in Revelation. Jesus, God, is not a pacifist.
@rolandmusic8846
@rolandmusic8846 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest we don’t want to believe in God because why want to do things in our own way.
@Generatorman59
@Generatorman59 2 жыл бұрын
Belief is not a choice. Either you have enough data and information to accept a proposition, or you don't. As for me, I don't.
@daddada2984
@daddada2984 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus came to earth not judge.. but to save. Hypothetically if Jesus meet Hitler is in Germany.. He will preached on Hitler, rebuke him. Jesus will not used weapon to kill.
@kevinm3337
@kevinm3337 3 жыл бұрын
💕💝💛💜🧡🖤💖❤️💔💚 Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day." A11q1Sahih Bukhari 7:62:132
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, flogging your wife is never a good thing, .. unless she's into it.. and even then, it's always good to have a code word to stop in case it gets out of hand.
@kevinm3337
@kevinm3337 3 жыл бұрын
@@bonnie43uk 💜💓❤️💚 Is rapping a slave a good thing. What's a good flogging (beating your wife) code word to 🛑 stop? Are you for real?
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinm3337 I can see irony is lost on you kevin
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