Give Me an Answer - God Is the Center of Our World View Or Our World View Is Ultimately Meaningless

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Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

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Cliffe Knechtle has a great conversation with college students at a campus in the southwest US.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics

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@sunflower_sm
@sunflower_sm 4 жыл бұрын
1 minute in and my mind is already blown away. Amazing.
@Benedict00_ItchyManko
@Benedict00_ItchyManko 4 жыл бұрын
There was nothing amazing in the first minute lol
@chadallen9401
@chadallen9401 4 жыл бұрын
@@Benedict00_ItchyManko That's your opinion
@Benedict00_ItchyManko
@Benedict00_ItchyManko 4 жыл бұрын
@@chadallen9401 well duh to simple minded ppl even non sense is amazing.
@dylancan69
@dylancan69 3 жыл бұрын
@@Benedict00_ItchyManko bet you feel like a real big guy calling us fools, but biblically speaking the fools says in his heart he is wise and rejects the wisdom of God, true wisdom
@Benedict00_ItchyManko
@Benedict00_ItchyManko 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylancan69 I never said fools.
@proorizo4985
@proorizo4985 4 жыл бұрын
Cliff has great knowledge and love of Christ. Keep it up, brother!! GOD bless!!!!
@GraftedOliveBranch
@GraftedOliveBranch 3 жыл бұрын
How is free will a lie? 🤔
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
And say: "Work (righteousness): Soon will Allah observe your work, and His Messenger, and the Believers: Soon will ye be brought back to the knower of what is hidden and what is open: then will He show you the truth of all that ye did."
@walterdaems57
@walterdaems57 3 жыл бұрын
Cliff reminds me of a jester and it’s funny that some people take him seriously.
@georgedoyle7971
@georgedoyle7971 2 жыл бұрын
@@walterdaems57 ““Jester” “It’s funny that some people take him seriously” Ho the irony!! It’s funny that you take yourself so seriously and “truth” so seriously under relativism!! Is that an absolute truth claim you just made or a subjective “truth” claim? Because the only thing “funny” is your belief that you can make absolute “truth” claims under relativism and live consistently as a moral subjectivist or relativist. “Funny” according to who? A chemical and biological robot? Sorry buddy but under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism you are nothing more than a accidental by product of a blind, mindless, meaningless process of random atoms and brain chemicals creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities. There is no such thing as “funny” or “truth” as this is a metaphysical presupposition that can not be proven, justified or grounded in a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism that clearly excludes metaphysical realities. Under your world view “funny” and “truth” is illusory and is nothing more than meaningless neurons firing. Have you actually read Nietzsche? Under your world view you are an “illusion” and nothing more than brain chemicals dude. You are just an overgrown amoeba! You are nothing more than a pointless, meaningless “bag of chemicals”, an evolved ape who shares half their DNA with bananas. A chemical and biological robot! Your world view not mine buddy!! So why “ought” we take your claims to the rational and moral high ground “seriously”? According to Friedrich Nietzsche… “Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions. - Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense” Nietzsche would laugh at your metaphysical presuppositions. Equally, the irony is that a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism basically says that (nobody took no time to turn nothing into everything) a belief that at worst is synonymous with the belief in magic and at best it’s synonymous with the belief in myths and miracles. I don’t need secular myths and secular religion to know what right and wrong is!! I wouldn’t have the arrogance to lecture a bereaved mother during a pandemic who’s only consolation is the hope of being reunited with her child in some kind of afterlife. That’s not “funny” at all. It’s cold and callous and dehumanising. The irony and absurdity is that you don’t even know the implications of your own world view because according to the atheist with probably the highest IQs of all the atheists that ever lived…. “life is an horror and truth is illusory.” (Friedrich Nietzsche) The fact is that we are all on equal footing at the very least under relativism buddy. This is the logical conclusion of a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism and it is horrific according to Nietzsche. Equally, your absolute “truth” claims are beyond absurd and make a court Jester erudite in comparison because under your world view “truth is an illusion” (Nietzsche) (Militant Atheism/relativism, materialism, philosophical naturalism): “The belief that there was nothing, and nothing didn’t really mean nothing as there was no such thing as meaning, and then nothing much happened to nothing except nothing and then nothing suddenly magically exploded for no reason, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything suddenly magically rearranged itself -- for no reason whatsoever -- into self replicating bits which then turned into something that meant everything. But it didn’t really mean everything or anything as everything is meaningless.” (Atheism) Yeah perfectly “sane” and makes perfect sense!! About as much sense as your court “Jester” argument! And they mock other peoples beliefs!! ❤️
@walterdaems57
@walterdaems57 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgedoyle7971 look how one word in a little sentence could make all your boxes tick :)
@paulwilfridhunt
@paulwilfridhunt 3 жыл бұрын
As a boy growing up my father bought me a dog which he got me as a pup who ended up becoming fiercely loyal to me. We lived on a 7 acre lifestyle block with a creek surrounded by fields and orchards, mostly apples and peaches but also the most delicious apricots. This was our playground which we roamed as 11 year olds with slug guns and dogs in tow. My dog was Mack and the memory of him still lingers on with me today. He was a fond friend. He knew that I was from a superior race of beings that built homes and cars and refrigerators with sausages that he’d woof down in 3 seconds flat. And because he knew we were rocket scientists compared to him with a life that was beyond his comprehension, he wisely elected to become the loyal friend he was to me. Now I am Mack and God is God. I cannot understand how He made the world. It’s beyond my comprehension. The stars and the distant galaxies are a mystery to me. But God did it. He made it. And I am fiercely loyal to Him.
@maddiebroadstone
@maddiebroadstone 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing way to put it, love it!
@paulwilfridhunt
@paulwilfridhunt 3 жыл бұрын
@@maddiebroadstone thank you 🙏
@GodsChurchInt1
@GodsChurchInt1 3 жыл бұрын
I love the analogy it's a good one.
@paulwilfridhunt
@paulwilfridhunt 3 жыл бұрын
@@GodsChurchInt1 thank you 🙏😊🍀💒
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@GodsChurchInt1 The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well-pleased is Allah with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.
@bebaleon1258
@bebaleon1258 3 жыл бұрын
Love listening to the wisdom that God has giving you guys. May God continues to bless you
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Know they not that Allah doth know their secret (thoughts) and their secret counsels, and that Allah knoweth well all things unseen?
@hiddenrambo328
@hiddenrambo328 3 жыл бұрын
Trinity: The easiest way to visualise i think is to imagine a tree, A tree is not whole unless it blooms and fruits that is three distinct parts but one whole- God the father is the tree God the spirit is the bloom and God the son is the fruit- The tree is not the fruit the fruit is not the blossom the blossom is not the tree but they are one and complete each other.
@hiddenrambo328
@hiddenrambo328 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 SCAMMMMM!
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them.
@tonystevens663
@tonystevens663 3 жыл бұрын
Its nice to see someone sharing the gospel like this
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the desert Arabs look upon their payments as a fine, and watch for disasters for you: on them be the disaster of evil: for Allah is He That heareth and knoweth (all things).
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
At that time, there was general worry about the rise in population and a fear that the country would not be able to feed itself. Since no one had any accurate information on the number of people living in the country, the government ordered that a Census take place. It had nothing to do quth taxes. Also it was prophesied that a king would rise from the jews, so it was a way to make sure the child population be controlled and the first born for that generation genocided since the Romans were so peaceful and loving without religion and God.
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 4 жыл бұрын
God is self evident. Existence is proof that something greater than ourselves exist. It’s not hard to imagine. Actually comes by naturally
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 4 жыл бұрын
Budz existence, creation, Consciousness, order and design, israel, Jesus Christ, knowledge of God, etc
@mondobear22
@mondobear22 4 жыл бұрын
@@buddhikaw No one has ever provided one shred of evidence for the existence of a fictional character; that's self-evident.
@القرآنالآن
@القرآنالآن 3 жыл бұрын
🍊💐🌹🌺 The Quran , being the final unchangeable message of God , is a very potent challenging book. Apart from its rhyme (in Arabic) & being memorized by heart by millions of muslims , it's also supported by science & maths ! It's a living permanent miracle of prophet Muhammad ! The miracle of mathematical codes hiding behind the text of the Quran is enough to prove its supernatural origin. The Quran is the only book where Yhwh himself speaks directly ! : 1- WATER STRATIFICATION: Existence of barriers which slow & control the mixing between different waters in the seas so that each water keeps its characteristics & species: 🌹Quran 55:19-20💐 ''He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress (each other).'' 🌹Quran 25:53💐 ''He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.'' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(water) 2- THE PREFRONTAL CORTEX: The prefrontal cortex (the frontal part of the brain) is responsible for making decisions , manipulating , lying ,..etc 💐Quran 96🌹 15- ''Nay, if he(God's enemy) desist not, We shall most surely drag him down upon his forehead(in the judgement day) 16- A lying, sinful forehead!'' 3- THE MIRACLE OF IRON IN THE QURAN: IRON has meteoric origin in our solar system (sent down to Earth & sunk to the core): 🌹Quran chapter Iron 57:25💐 '' And We sent down iron, in which is great power, and many benefits for humanity " This miracle exists in Quran's copies which consider 'Basmalah' as the 1st verse (Basmala is the sentence 'In the name of God,the mercifull' at the head of each chapter). Thus, the verse 25 becomes 26(Iron's Atomic number). The number of verses 29 becomes 30(iron's neutrons). Chapter 57 is the core of the Quran(114 chapters). 57 is a stable isotope of iron. Iron has the second most tightly bound nuclei(Nuclear binding energy). 4- THE FINGERPRINTS : In The following verses God mentions his ability (in judgement day) to recreate not only the bones/skeleton after decomposition in the grave, but more difficult than that : the tips of fingers (this refers to the complexity of each paerson's fingerprints) : Quran 75 3 - Does man (a disbeliever) thinks that We shall not assemble his bones (in the hereafter)? 4 - Nay, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers. 5- EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE : Quran, 51:47 "And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. 6- BIG CRUNCH & ANOTHER BIG BANG (Cyclic universe hypothsis): Quran, 21:104 "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books ,- even as We produced the first creation, so We will also reproduce it : a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill it. 39:67 They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth(s) entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. 14:48 [It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing. 7- Embryology: The scientific translation of the verses of embryology: Q22:5 O mankind! if you are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We (inform you that we ) have created you from a gamete/ovum , then from a zygote , then from an Blastocyst/adherent , then from a disc which is differentiated and not differentiated... ABIOGENESIS (beginning of life) IN CLAY AND EVOLUTION (of man) FROM ANOTHER SPECIES : Q23:12 And indeed We created man out of a species/progeny/life form which originated from clay. (12) Thereafter We made him into a Zygote in a welcoming stable lodging (endometrium). (13) Then We made the zygote into a Blastocyst/adherent , then We made the Blastocyst/adherent into a disc , then We made out of the disc bones (notochord), then We clothed the bones with muscles, and then We made him into another creation. So Blessed is Allâh, the Best of creators ------------------------------------------------ THE SURPRISE: Adam was a modern human who was created from a female like jesus . He was not the first man : Quran 3:59 Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him from a gamete/ovum , then said He unto him, 'Be,' and he was being" . - Evidence for the existence of other people when Adam was created , when satan refused to prostrate : Quran 38 He (God) said (to satan) : Go forth from hence, for lo! thou art outcast, (77) And lo! My curse is on thee till the Day of Judgment. (78) He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the Day when they are raised. (79) He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved (80) Until the Day of the time appointed. (81) He said: Then, by Thy might, I surely will beguile them every one, (82) Save Thy single-minded slaves among them. (83) He said: The Truth is, and the Truth I speak, (84) That I shall fill hell with thee and with such of them as follow thee, together. (85) Notochord's function as axis for muscles attatchment : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notochord Endometrium receptivity: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409914/ Darwin's Beagle voyage: Quran 29:20: Say (O Muhammad to people) :"Travel through the earth and observe/study how He(God) began creation " 8- THE PROTECTING FUNCTION OF EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE (from sun , meteors ..etc): (Qur'an, 21:32) We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from its Signs. . The reflecting function of earth's atmosphere : [I swear] by the sky which has returning/feedback properties . (Qur'an, 86:11) 9 - PULSAR NEUTRON STARS : "( I swear ) by Heaven and The Knocker ! And what will convey to you what The Knocker is? It is The Piercing Star ! (Qur'an, 86:1-3) " 10- HYPOXIA (suffocation) IN OUTER SPACE Quran 6:125 So who God wants that He guides him, He expands his chest to the Islam/submission (to God); And who He wants that He misguides him, He makes his chest narrow/tight , constricted , embarrassed as if (he) ascends in the sky. 11- PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Plants begin to produce oxygen at down. Quran 81:18 And (i swear ) by the dawn when it breathes/sighs 12 - EGYPTOLOGY EXCLUSIVELY IN THE QURAN Why the pyramids were built?: The pyramids were alligned with some stars because Pharaoh of the exodus somehow wanted to watch the god of Moses ( The pyramids were used as electricity generators to project light up to the sky ): Quran 40:36 And Pharaoh said, "O Haman, construct for me a tower that I might reach the ways - 40:37 The ways into the heavens - so that I may look at the deity of Moses; but indeed, I think he is a liar." And thus was made attractive to Pharaoh the evil of his deed, and he was averted from the [right] way. And the plan of Pharaoh was not except in ruin. How the pyramids were built ? : It is first discovered by Joseph Davidovits(material scientist) then supported by Michel Barsoum(materials science researcher) that the blocks of the pyramids are not natural . but they are just moulded concrete bricks of clay ,lime & water then heated. Quran 28:38 And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars." www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html Experiment of building a pyramid by the owner of this theory: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anfYe3SYidKUgqs 13- PLATE TECTONICS & POLES SHIFT IN THE QURAN: A . SUBDUCTION: - Sea floor spreading subducted slabs: Q15:19 And the earth-We had expanded it and CAST/THREW anchors/stabilizers into it. - The subducted slabs in the trenches prevent planet earth's poles shift (crust displacement)by acting as anchors for the plates or by distributing mass inside earth . Underground caves-rivers allow scientific research: Q16:15 And He had CAST/THROWN anchors/stabilizers into The Earth so that it does not shift/sway with you ; and rivers, and paths(caves), so that you will be guided. Subducting slabs act as sea anchor: www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol21/vol21_iss10/record2110.31.html Vietnam cave : kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4jEfIWgiceNmqs B . MOUNTAINS: - True Polar Wander Hypothesis ( A Planet's shift as a response to an unballance in the distribution of landmasses): Q 78:6-7 ''Haven't we made (planet) earth a prepared place /cradle and mountains/landmasses as pegs/guy ropes?'' . Q21:31 And We have MADE in the earth anchors/stabilizers(mountains) so that it should not shift with them. . Q41:10 And He made therein anchors/stabilizers (mountains) from above it .Q27:61 Is He [not best] who made the planet Earth a stable place and made within it rivers and made anchors/stabilizers FOR it...? .Q77:27 And We made lofty anchors/stabilizers(mountains) in it Surface loading & plenet stability: web.mit.edu/perron/www/files/Matsuyama06.pdf The distribution of mountains & volcanoes influence on spin axis: agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2001GL014539 True Polar Wander hypothesis: earthsky.org/earth/earth-is-undergoing-true-polar-wander-scientists-say Find the correct translation here : islamawakened.com/quran/16/15/  14- MATHEMATICS: The miracle of Code 19 in The Quran , astonishing mathematical combinations beyond human ability ! : A video by Rashad Khalifa , the discoverer of this miracle himself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5bQoYOGqbKJZ9E complex maths : kzbin.info kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2mraICko71-r7s 💐🌺🍊,..
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 3 жыл бұрын
@@buddhikaw there is no evidence in those religions to be true. Evidence leads to truth
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 3 жыл бұрын
@@mondobear22 plenty of evidence. You can read God’s word and see his hand throughout history
@onestepaway3232
@onestepaway3232 3 жыл бұрын
Miracles do happen. Life is a miracle
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
They will swear unto you, that ye may be pleased with them but if ye are pleased with them, Allah is not pleased with those who disobey.
@Jhart44
@Jhart44 3 жыл бұрын
Can you help me, who wrote Mathew, Mark, Luke? Cuz I found out it wasn’t actually 3 people named that
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 4 ай бұрын
@@Jhart44 Matthew, Mark and Luke were eyewitnesses to the life , teachings and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They were interviewed about their experiences with Christ. Eye witness accounts backed by evidence have been accepted by courts all over the world, but yet when it comes to Jesus Christ people doubt the testimony of the eyewitness accounts of the disciples. People are such hypocrites.
@elleondejuda4681
@elleondejuda4681 3 жыл бұрын
Cliff you are a blessing God keep you seft
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Whether thou ask for their forgiveness, or not, (their sin is unforgivable): if thou ask seventy times for their forgiveness, Allah will not forgive them: because they have rejected Allah and His Messenger: and Allah guideth not those who are perversely rebellious.
@2w07evenfive5
@2w07evenfive5 3 жыл бұрын
So God is a Triune God, Father ,Son, and Holy spirit so as Human beings is a tripartite, body, mind and soul.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
They will present their excuses to you when ye return to them. Say thou: "Present no excuses: we shall not believe you: Allah hath already informed us of the true state of matters concerning you: It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe: in the end will ye be brought back to Him Who knoweth what is hidden and what is open: then will He show you the truth of all that ye did."
@charlesjohnson4874
@charlesjohnson4874 6 ай бұрын
Cliff’s lob to Stuart at 16:03 was like Jordan to Pippen 😂❤
@MrNanonen
@MrNanonen 4 жыл бұрын
Atheist: the miracle of Jesus rising from the dead is impossible and therefore absurd. Christian: so you’re telling me that the dead inanimate particles of the dead body of Jesus coming back to life in full resurrection by His power of being God is impossible and absurd? Atheist: yes Christian: you don’t believe that Atheist: yes I do Christian: no you don’t Atheist: YES I DO! Christian: well then, your belief that ALL LIFE arose from dead inanimate particles through evolution would have to be in your opinion just as impossible and absurd if you believe that the miracle of Jesus coming back to life in full resurrection is impossible and absurd. Not only that, but Christians give a cause for the resurrection as it was on the account of Jesus being God and having the authority to do so, whereas your belief of all life arising from dead inanimate particles is without any cause or guidance and thus making the Atheistic belief truly impossible and absurd.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
Like many other Christians, you have committed the logical fallacy of appealing to ignorance and the fallacy of shifting the burden of proof. Even if science is wrong about he origin of life and about evolution, that is not evidence that God exists.YOU must provide evidence because YOU are the one making the claim that god exists, and you have provided none.
@Sacrifice-Paid
@Sacrifice-Paid 4 жыл бұрын
Didi Pip to throw in my 2 pennies worth, to quite a film, “how much evidence is enough evidence”, and to add my own quote, it don’t matter, cos you could have all the evidence in the world, and if you either don’t want to accept or believe it, then any amount of evidence is worthless, and God knows many will either choose to not believe, or believe yet outright reject Him, like Satan etc, he knows the bible better than us people, but chose to rebel, but saying that, most non-believers laugh at the existence of Satan, but then on another note, IF God doesn’t exist or Jesus, why use them as a cuss word 🤷🏻‍♂️
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sacrifice-Paid I could apply the same logic to you. It doesn't matter how much evidence there is that the bible is inconsistent and immoral (which is supposed to be God's word), in the end Christians just either rationalize or dismiss the evidence. Just like the creation story, once it was disproved, Christians turn to "well it was only a metaphor." Anything in the bible that is obviously false or immoral is either a bad translation, a metaphor, or "well that was the old testament" (well was it the old god?). In fact Christians stand at an even more dangerous position according to your argument because Christians must ignore all the evidence when it conflicts with faith.
@Sacrifice-Paid
@Sacrifice-Paid 4 жыл бұрын
Didi Pip lol well good luck to you, not all us Christians are the same, but 1 thing does remain, I don’t know how old you are, but as long as you’re not over 60, then you’ll find out the hard way that God, Jesus and the bible is the truth, and the bible doesn’t have contradictions in it, just mans lack of understanding, as for God being immoral, nope, so like I say, good luck, and I’ll always be amazed why u people go looking at Christian content if you don’t care about it, and don’t wanna know, why would u waste ur time watching such hypocritical rubbish 🤷🏻‍♂️
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Sacrifice-Paid​You have made quite a bit of assumptions. And you have made quite a bit of logical errors but I'll try to reply. First of all I used to be a christian, I have read the entire Old Testament about 4 times and the new testament about 30-40 times ( I used to be very christian), although its been about 5 years since I've read the bible. I've gone to thousands of sermons and have had thousand of in person conversations with Christians. So you shouldn't just assume every atheist you encounter is an atheist because he's never read the bible, prayed to god, or worshiped him. I've done it all. Secondly I didn't search for this, it popped on my KZbin feed. Even if I did search for this, what's wrong with that? I wanted to see what his argument was. Believe it or not I'm open to the possibility that one day someone will present a logical argument with good evidence for the existence of god.
@strawberry4450
@strawberry4450 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe's son seems to be the type of talker that goes off on things not necessarily related to the conversation at hand and rambles on until its hard to follow what hes trying to say even if he isn't wrong... I love the way Cliffe stays on point and topic and is 10 steps ahead in his thought process.
@strawberry4450
@strawberry4450 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe watching his son though makes me think more highly of his son... not that his son is bad but its again just that cliffe is so amazing at what he does.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@strawberry4450 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
@strawberry4450
@strawberry4450 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 lol okay very logical I love it.
@strawberry4450
@strawberry4450 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 seriously though you also believe in something and going on channel like this to say that is very similar to an evangelical preaching what he believes. You also believe what you believe just like everyone believes something. You are very passionate about what you believe which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if someone preaching to you about their beliefs makes you unhappy then your response should not be to criticize their beliefs because that is simply pushing your beliefs on them in the say way you are not happy they do to you. Only you are less open about what you me goal is. It’s the exact same thing you seem upset about.
@armandoc.3150
@armandoc.3150 4 жыл бұрын
You have to break it down and teach with love and humility. I'm liking this guy...
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
@armandoc.3150
@armandoc.3150 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 Allah means god, not a name. So who is your god?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@armandoc.3150 With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought.
@armandoc.3150
@armandoc.3150 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 Yes, as the mind is like a garden. Who is the he you are referring to though?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@armandoc.3150 He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the sun and the moon; and the stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.
@2w07evenfive5
@2w07evenfive5 3 жыл бұрын
Human beings are tripartite, body,mind and soul, that's why God said let us make man in our own image.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
They will swear to you by Allah, when ye return to them, that ye may leave them alone. So leave them alone: For they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place,-a fitting recompense for the (evil) that they did.
@JohnjOcampo
@JohnjOcampo 9 ай бұрын
Beautifully said @evenfive
@GamesandTheoryApologetics
@GamesandTheoryApologetics 4 жыл бұрын
You don’t believe in the Bible first. Someone preaches the gospel to you. And you will sense or feel something happen in your heart and/or mind. And then make a decision to either reject or accept Christ into your heart. THEN you are able to believe the Bible. Because ONLY Holy Spirit can reveal Christ clear and accurately.
@danweaver4304
@danweaver4304 4 жыл бұрын
No sir. You don’t come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ by feeling something happen in response to someone preaching. If you think that’s correct, then you are liable to fall for any false prophet who comes along teaching a false version of Christianity. You must read the Bible, question it, seek evidence to determine its veracity, and do the same tests of other religions. Faith is not blind. We are called to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. I interpret this to mean we are to know God with our spirit, mind, and body. Feelings are your body’s way of experiencing the reality of God’s presence, but they are unreliable. That’s why you must also examine claims of truth with your mind. Liars can fool you with clever speech, designed to make you feel a certain way. Liars cannot fool the person who has questioned everything, and tested it, and held fast to that which is good and true. Loving God in spirit and in truth can only occur after one invites God into one’s life, into one’s heart, where the spirit resides... the core of your being. God’s Holy Spirit then gives peace, comfort, and joy - even in the middle of sorrow, pain, and grief. Read the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and ask yourself whether or not Jesus is who he said he was.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@freightshayker So by your logic, I can't know that dog poop tastes bad unless I taste it. Have you tried dog poop? How do you know it's not good?
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@freightshayker Lol, OK that was funny, what you said. I wasn't laughing before (or i would type "lol) but I am now. I don't understand your structure or you point but you did make me laugh. I use absurd examples so you can see how absurd your claim sounds, not because I need to make fun of Christianity. After all, you'd laugh at me believing in trolls and unicorns. That's how absurd your claims sound to me.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
lol, alright
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@freightshayker can one of you Christians tell me what this guys is saying?
@withoutlimits16
@withoutlimits16 4 жыл бұрын
Breath of fresh air this guy. I wished he would have also given the minimal facts argument for the resurrection though. Would have capped things off.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure.
@sly33
@sly33 7 ай бұрын
🙏The 3-Person God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit 🙏
@cafe8379
@cafe8379 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you had a pod cast!
@chayahhayes4779
@chayahhayes4779 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree!
@chayahhayes4779
@chayahhayes4779 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!! THIS IS A SCAM
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@chayahhayes4779 Allah turned with favour to the Prophet, the Muhajirs, and the Ansar,- who followed him in a time of distress, after that the hearts of a part of them had nearly swerved (from duty); but He turned to them (also): for He is unto them Most Kind, Most Merciful.
@chayahhayes4779
@chayahhayes4779 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 ok?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@chayahhayes4779 Say: "To whom belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth?" Say: "To Allah. He hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy. That He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment, there is no doubt whatever. It is they who have lost their own souls, that will not believe.
@voilaf9365
@voilaf9365 Жыл бұрын
I love you forever Cliff.
@rongopaihiku369
@rongopaihiku369 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe God bless you 🤗🕊
@rongopaihiku369
@rongopaihiku369 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 Get out of here troll.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@rongopaihiku369 Those who were left behind (in the Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah: they hated to strive and fight, with their goods and their persons, in the cause of Allah: they said, "Go not forth in the heat." Say, "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat." If only they could understand!
@rongopaihiku369
@rongopaihiku369 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 Allah was slave to muhammad's loins nothing more could not stop your messenger from being bewitched by Satan quran contradicts itself, nothing but a madman's raving thoughts from manuscripts he could not read.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@rongopaihiku369 When the suffering reached them from us, why then did they not learn humility? On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them.
@rongopaihiku369
@rongopaihiku369 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 blah blah blah, your book is 🤢🤮
@vintage5126
@vintage5126 3 жыл бұрын
I love these videos
@guard213
@guard213 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks brothers for this beautiful talk. All glory to God. Grace and shalom -from Southern California 🇳🇮
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Nor could they spend anything (for the cause) - small or great- nor cut across a valley, but the deed is inscribed to their credit: that Allah may requite their deed with the best (possible reward).
@stevenbell1557
@stevenbell1557 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking the gospel to the streets (I really do). I converted to Catholicism three years ago. I’ve seen a couple of clips of you debating Catholics. I would truly love for you to debate someone like me.
@BrockJamesStory
@BrockJamesStory 2 жыл бұрын
I want full videos uploaded please
@haydenshores9943
@haydenshores9943 3 ай бұрын
Praise christ and pray the holy spirit fills the people making fun of cliff and laughing at him and convicts them of the truth that there "wisdom"blinds them of
@EchoGuzman
@EchoGuzman 4 жыл бұрын
These students were not that bad 👍
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
perhaps you care to explain what you mean by "bad"
@EchoGuzman
@EchoGuzman 4 жыл бұрын
@@didipip8054Sure they were not as bad as the last students from the last video.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@EchoGuzman right, but what do you mean? Nicer, more accepting, better critical thinkers, more gullible, more open minded, less abusive, etc. Good and bad are probably some of the most vague terms someone can use that's why I wanted clarification. What's good to you could be bad to me. thanks for the reply
@EchoGuzman
@EchoGuzman 4 жыл бұрын
@@didipip8054 Nicer, more accepting, more open minded. Now just a question for you are you a Christian?
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@EchoGuzman No, I'm not. I don't have a problem with nicer, or open minded. As far as accepting, it depends if you mean accepting someone's claims. If someone makes supernatural claims like Christians often do then I don't accept them without proper evidence. If you make a claim that you have a dog, I'll accept it. I have no reason to think that you're lying and there's nothing supernatural about that.
@preacherforjesuschrist.3806
@preacherforjesuschrist.3806 2 жыл бұрын
I found your channel recently and I enjoyed it. I love your passion and knowledge you share and the way you do it. But I would like to know why you say God's love is "unconditional?"
@CKD3332
@CKD3332 4 жыл бұрын
The lack of belief in God and Christianity is psychological, not anything to do with the evidence. We have people who do not want to change their way of thinking, because it then means they have to stop their way of behaving. Its all selfish pride, and selfish pride is the root of all Sin. People like Dawkins and Hitchens are too arrogant to embrace God.
@sunflower_sm
@sunflower_sm 4 жыл бұрын
True. Very true.
@CKD3332
@CKD3332 4 жыл бұрын
@@buddhikaw that is simply the new atheist standard, by simply making it impossible to live up. Extraordinary evidence? I mean how ludicrous is that. Evidence is evidence. That's exactly why I said it's a psychological issue.
@rrock2025
@rrock2025 4 жыл бұрын
What evidence?
@CKD3332
@CKD3332 4 жыл бұрын
@Matumbo Kalulu exactly, bingo.
@القرآنالآن
@القرآنالآن 3 жыл бұрын
🍊💐🌹🌺 The Quran , being the final unchangeable message of God , is a very potent challenging book. Apart from its rhyme (in Arabic) & being memorized by heart by millions of muslims , it's also supported by science & maths ! It's a living permanent miracle of prophet Muhammad ! The miracle of mathematical codes hiding behind the text of the Quran is enough to prove its supernatural origin. The Quran is the only book where Yhwh himself speaks directly ! : 1- WATER STRATIFICATION: Existence of barriers which slow & control the mixing between different waters in the seas so that each water keeps its characteristics & species: 🌹Quran 55:19-20💐 ''He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress (each other).'' 🌹Quran 25:53💐 ''He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.'' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(water) 2- THE PREFRONTAL CORTEX: The prefrontal cortex (the frontal part of the brain) is responsible for making decisions , manipulating , lying ,..etc 💐Quran 96🌹 15- ''Nay, if he(God's enemy) desist not, We shall most surely drag him down upon his forehead(in the judgement day) 16- A lying, sinful forehead!'' 3- THE MIRACLE OF IRON IN THE QURAN: IRON has meteoric origin in our solar system (sent down to Earth & sunk to the core): 🌹Quran chapter Iron 57:25💐 '' And We sent down iron, in which is great power, and many benefits for humanity " This miracle exists in Quran's copies which consider 'Basmalah' as the 1st verse (Basmala is the sentence 'In the name of God,the mercifull' at the head of each chapter). Thus, the verse 25 becomes 26(Iron's Atomic number). The number of verses 29 becomes 30(iron's neutrons). Chapter 57 is the core of the Quran(114 chapters). 57 is a stable isotope of iron. Iron has the second most tightly bound nuclei(Nuclear binding energy). 4- THE FINGERPRINTS : In The following verses God mentions his ability (in judgement day) to recreate not only the bones/skeleton after decomposition in the grave, but more difficult than that : the tips of fingers (this refers to the complexity of each paerson's fingerprints) : Quran 75 3 - Does man (a disbeliever) thinks that We shall not assemble his bones (in the hereafter)? 4 - Nay, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers. 5- EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE : Quran, 51:47 "And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. 6- BIG CRUNCH & ANOTHER BIG BANG (Cyclic universe hypothsis): Quran, 21:104 "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books ,- even as We produced the first creation, so We will also reproduce it : a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill it. 39:67 They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth(s) entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. 14:48 [It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing. 7- Embryology: The scientific translation of the verses of embryology: Q22:5 O mankind! if you are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We (inform you that we ) have created you from a gamete/ovum , then from a zygote , then from an Blastocyst/adherent , then from a disc which is differentiated and not differentiated... ABIOGENESIS (beginning of life) IN CLAY AND EVOLUTION (of man) FROM ANOTHER SPECIES : Q23:12 And indeed We created man out of a species/progeny/life form which originated from clay. (12) Thereafter We made him into a Zygote in a welcoming stable lodging (endometrium). (13) Then We made the zygote into a Blastocyst/adherent , then We made the Blastocyst/adherent into a disc , then We made out of the disc bones (notochord), then We clothed the bones with muscles, and then We made him into another creation. So Blessed is Allâh, the Best of creators ------------------------------------------------ THE SURPRISE: Adam was a modern human who was created from a female like jesus . He was not the first man : Quran 3:59 Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him from a gamete/ovum , then said He unto him, 'Be,' and he was being" . - Evidence for the existence of other people when Adam was created , when satan refused to prostrate : Quran 38 He (God) said (to satan) : Go forth from hence, for lo! thou art outcast, (77) And lo! My curse is on thee till the Day of Judgment. (78) He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the Day when they are raised. (79) He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved (80) Until the Day of the time appointed. (81) He said: Then, by Thy might, I surely will beguile them every one, (82) Save Thy single-minded slaves among them. (83) He said: The Truth is, and the Truth I speak, (84) That I shall fill hell with thee and with such of them as follow thee, together. (85) Notochord's function as axis for muscles attatchment : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notochord Endometrium receptivity: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409914/ Darwin's Beagle voyage: Quran 29:20: Say (O Muhammad to people) :"Travel through the earth and observe/study how He(God) began creation " 8- THE PROTECTING FUNCTION OF EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE (from sun , meteors ..etc): (Qur'an, 21:32) We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from its Signs. . The reflecting function of earth's atmosphere : [I swear] by the sky which has returning/feedback properties . (Qur'an, 86:11) 9 - PULSAR NEUTRON STARS : "( I swear ) by Heaven and The Knocker ! And what will convey to you what The Knocker is? It is The Piercing Star ! (Qur'an, 86:1-3) " 10- HYPOXIA (suffocation) IN OUTER SPACE Quran 6:125 So who God wants that He guides him, He expands his chest to the Islam/submission (to God); And who He wants that He misguides him, He makes his chest narrow/tight , constricted , embarrassed as if (he) ascends in the sky. 11- PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Plants begin to produce oxygen at down. Quran 81:18 And (i swear ) by the dawn when it breathes/sighs 12 - EGYPTOLOGY EXCLUSIVELY IN THE QURAN Why the pyramids were built?: The pyramids were alligned with some stars because Pharaoh of the exodus somehow wanted to watch the god of Moses ( The pyramids were used as electricity generators to project light up to the sky ): Quran 40:36 And Pharaoh said, "O Haman, construct for me a tower that I might reach the ways - 40:37 The ways into the heavens - so that I may look at the deity of Moses; but indeed, I think he is a liar." And thus was made attractive to Pharaoh the evil of his deed, and he was averted from the [right] way. And the plan of Pharaoh was not except in ruin. How the pyramids were built ? : It is first discovered by Joseph Davidovits(material scientist) then supported by Michel Barsoum(materials science researcher) that the blocks of the pyramids are not natural . but they are just moulded concrete bricks of clay ,lime & water then heated. Quran 28:38 And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars." www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html Experiment of building a pyramid by the owner of this theory: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anfYe3SYidKUgqs 13- PLATE TECTONICS & POLES SHIFT IN THE QURAN: A . SUBDUCTION: - Sea floor spreading subducted slabs: Q15:19 And the earth-We had expanded it and CAST/THREW anchors/stabilizers into it. - The subducted slabs in the trenches prevent planet earth's poles shift (crust displacement)by acting as anchors for the plates or by distributing mass inside earth . Underground caves-rivers allow scientific research: Q16:15 And He had CAST/THROWN anchors/stabilizers into The Earth so that it does not shift/sway with you ; and rivers, and paths(caves), so that you will be guided. Subducting slabs act as sea anchor: www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol21/vol21_iss10/record2110.31.html Vietnam cave : kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4jEfIWgiceNmqs B . MOUNTAINS: - True Polar Wander Hypothesis ( A Planet's shift as a response to an unballance in the distribution of landmasses): Q 78:6-7 ''Haven't we made (planet) earth a prepared place /cradle and mountains/landmasses as pegs/guy ropes?'' . Q21:31 And We have MADE in the earth anchors/stabilizers(mountains) so that it should not shift with them. . Q41:10 And He made therein anchors/stabilizers (mountains) from above it .Q27:61 Is He [not best] who made the planet Earth a stable place and made within it rivers and made anchors/stabilizers FOR it...? .Q77:27 And We made lofty anchors/stabilizers(mountains) in it Surface loading & plenet stability: web.mit.edu/perron/www/files/Matsuyama06.pdf The distribution of mountains & volcanoes influence on spin axis: agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2001GL014539 True Polar Wander hypothesis: earthsky.org/earth/earth-is-undergoing-true-polar-wander-scientists-say Find the correct translation here : islamawakened.com/quran/16/15/  14- MATHEMATICS: The miracle of Code 19 in The Quran , astonishing mathematical combinations beyond human ability ! : A video by Rashad Khalifa , the discoverer of this miracle himself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5bQoYOGqbKJZ9E complex maths : kzbin.info kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2mraICko71-r7s 💐🌺🍊..,
@DCice13
@DCice13 4 жыл бұрын
Live has come from nonliving materials. We were born from the dust. It happened once. But it requires an intelligent being
@dacenmclean7901
@dacenmclean7901 4 жыл бұрын
Life comes from non living all the time. Moss grows from dirt and moisture. Nothing living required in the slightest.
@Benedict00_ItchyManko
@Benedict00_ItchyManko 3 жыл бұрын
@@dacenmclean7901 yup but we don't see anything that was alive once, come back to life.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
O ye who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true (in word and deed).
@DCice13
@DCice13 3 жыл бұрын
@@dacenmclean7901 you believe moss randomly generates from dirt and water? And this happens to make the same moss daily? Moss spreads by spores, or small particles of moss that flake off.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@DCice13 Those before them did also plot (against Allah's Way): but Allah took their structures from their foundations, and the roof fell down on them from above; and the Wrath seized them from directions they did not perceive.
@chadallen9401
@chadallen9401 4 жыл бұрын
God bless you Cliffe
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety to Allah and His good pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? and it doth crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of Hell. And Allah guideth not people that do wrong.
@i_assume
@i_assume Жыл бұрын
3 persons, energy essence distinction. It's 'both and' not 'either or'. Unity in multiplicity, just like number 3, it's both 2 and 1, 3, and 3 separate 1s in same singular 3. Persons share same nature and essence yet distinct personhoods. It's important because you can have relationship with impersonal God. And triun God collapse dialectics.
@beb1318
@beb1318 9 ай бұрын
That's sad. If you think not once you have not experience miracles. I think those things that happened that you never expected to happen are little miracles. You'll cry out loud with happiness that it went well the way you wanted it to be. Or it went much more than what you expected it. I've experienced all that
@SonOfManMusic
@SonOfManMusic 2 жыл бұрын
nice.
@lenwoodwilliams-kg2kj
@lenwoodwilliams-kg2kj 3 ай бұрын
To:@gwockamoi I believe non-believers have this thing against Christian believers, because, as we know Scripture informs us that all humans have an innate knowledge that there is a God, and because, at this point, if you haven't been drawn to Christ, as the Scriptures tells us this is how we become a believer, your flesh will automatically Cause you to fight against the Truth, because it interferes with them being their own god so they come up with all sorts of excuses. But as scripture says, they are without excuse. Sometimes it really seems like they are mad at those of us that Truly believe! ❤😢😊
@giarose6493
@giarose6493 Жыл бұрын
❤🙏☘️🌹
@leendom2028
@leendom2028 8 ай бұрын
View of this world are so meaningless😁😆 but our views is depending on what views to GOD or to this world views! It is meaningful if our view are pointing to GOD'S WILL! please remember this GOD'S View are always for our own Good!❤ HIS goodness are beyond our expectation HIS Plan are always perfectly happened on the right time! In Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." 😊❤ It says there That GOD want for us always good Hope and future not harming us but to prosper us!
@Emk315
@Emk315 3 жыл бұрын
Paul speaking in 1 Corinthians 15 says " If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised." This doesn't sound like a myth. It sounds like Paul even in his day convincing those who have come to put their faith in Jesus to understand the authenticity of the gospel. The same unbelief and hostility we see against Christ is still present today. I was one speaking a a coworker about absolute truth and he says to me, "what is truth" I smiled and told him that someone asked the same question in the bible.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
There is no blame on those who are infirm, or ill, or who find no resources to spend (on the cause), if they are sincere (in duty) to Allah and His Messenger: no ground (of complaint) can there be against such as do right: and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
@shafiqislam2751
@shafiqislam2751 Жыл бұрын
Definition//Concept of God// Allah STW// Purpose of Creation// Purpose of Life// Purpose of Ressurection// Purpose of After Life // Day of Judgement// Purpose of Heave & Hell// Purpose of 124000 Prophets sent down // Revelation
@justinsmitley7619
@justinsmitley7619 3 жыл бұрын
What's interesting is there is a difference between hell and hellfire.. hell means sheol in Hebrew which means the grave.. hellfire on the other hand is reserved for judgment at the end of the world but that has not yet taken place. I think that's pretty important for people to understand.
@justinsmitley7619
@justinsmitley7619 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 This is not Cliff lol Cliff would not preach a prosperity Gospel.. Funny I've been told the same thing on other KZbin channels look down asking for money lol get out of here with all that.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinsmitley7619 If, then, Allah bring thee back to any of them, and they ask thy permission to come out (with thee), say: "Never shall ye come out with me, nor fight an enemy with me: for ye preferred to sit inactive on the first occasion: Then sit ye (now) with those who lag behind."
@outseteddy6306
@outseteddy6306 3 жыл бұрын
15:20 the girl's face in the background to Cliffe's statement lol
@ricklamb772
@ricklamb772 3 жыл бұрын
A deception,perpetrated by our enemy,The devil.
@i_assume
@i_assume Жыл бұрын
St John Chrysostom and St John of Kronstadt
@SonOfHutch
@SonOfHutch 2 жыл бұрын
Philosophically mathematically and logficay, NOW does not exist in infinity. If there is no beginning there cannot ever be a now.
@daniellukac2605
@daniellukac2605 6 ай бұрын
In infinity, now does not exist. Now exists in a specific spot in our spacetime universe.
@gwockamol
@gwockamol 9 ай бұрын
Why are non-christians so snotty to and about christians? It has always puzzled me, why christianity and not just religion in general? People have such strong opinions over what other people believe only when it comes to religion, mainly christianity. Why is that?
@JohnjOcampo
@JohnjOcampo 9 ай бұрын
Christianity points to the truth, they know this so they must attack us.
@joshuabarnes7552
@joshuabarnes7552 7 ай бұрын
Because here in a America, Christianity is the most predominant religion. Not that hard to figure out. Atheists in America are more likely to be an ex-Christian or familiar with the bible than any other religion. Do you think atheist have gone out of thier way to study every religion? Of course not. They leave knowledge to other atheists who are knowledgeable about other religions they were raised under or lived around.
@tjswilley5265
@tjswilley5265 4 ай бұрын
It's almost as if there is something or someone missing in their life
@kathycushman6326
@kathycushman6326 3 жыл бұрын
The only "problem" I have with your experience is that "God hasn't failed me ever." I as a Christian have felt God has failed me at times. In hind sight I realize that God did not fail me. But in the moment I felt that God abandoned me the time my baby was still born. God abandon me when I was dealing with extreme chronic pain day in and day out. Crying out to God did not realize me from suffering. What if I was raped as a child from a relative day after day. Did God abandon me? On the cross Jesus said "why have you abandon me". I believe God CAN abandon you in a sense for a time....not eternally but for a time for His purposes.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
So He hath put as a consequence hypocrisy into their hearts, (to last) till the Day, whereon they shall meet Him: because they broke their covenant with Allah, and because they lied (again and again).
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 4 ай бұрын
No, no. What did you want from God; 50 million dollars or perhaps a nice house or a powerful position at work? Is God supposed to be granting your every wish like Santa Claus? Did God create you just for you? When will you exercise your faith? Don’t be a fair weather Christian, I love God as long as I get my way. Work on growing your faith through prayer and His word. You need to ask God what you can do for Him.
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 4 ай бұрын
Horrible things happen to people in this life but Jesus Christ tells us in This world you will have tribulations , but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33. You have got to double down on Jesus, no resent Him for the evil men do. He is not Santa Claus or a good luck charm, He is God almighty and He has promised to comfort you. He will comfort you. “ God is not a man that He should lie. Nor a son of man that He should repent. Has He said and will He not do? Or has He spoken and will He not make it good?” Numbers 23:19.
@kathycushman6326
@kathycushman6326 4 ай бұрын
I'm not saying I wanted a Santa Claus in the sky. What I DID say is that I have FELT abandoned by God but in hind sight I know it was for my good.
@joshcornell8510
@joshcornell8510 3 жыл бұрын
It's God or absurdity, and man in his sinful rebellion against God has chosen absurdity.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Nor (is there blame) on those who came to thee to be provided with mounts, and when thou saidst, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to provide the expenses.
@diagorasofmelos9283
@diagorasofmelos9283 Жыл бұрын
This dude has perfected the art of lying for jesus.
@boltrooktwo
@boltrooktwo 3 жыл бұрын
If life were to come from non-life we would have to wait around for it to happen, if scientists were to meddle with experiments it would prove nothing. There would still be the question of how it happened, if God is transcendent of physical matter then you could still believe philosophically God created that life or you believe the philosophy it happened by chance.
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 4 ай бұрын
So this complex universe happened by Chance? Come on that’s a fairytale. You don’t get something from nothing. You don’t get the complexity of life that we have by random chance, it’s by design, therefore there is a designer. Science will never debunk God because science is just man trying to understand his environment. The Universe is too vast like God for man to comprehend and have a full knowledge of. But God is so gracious, He doesn’t require full comprehensive knowledge of Him; just the measure of faith He has given each and every one of us. You had better start exercising faith in God before it’s too late.
@brendantibs1217
@brendantibs1217 6 ай бұрын
That is all hearsay. No human being can walk on water.
@therealdio314
@therealdio314 5 ай бұрын
No, thats what makes Jesus different from any human being. He CLAIMED to be God and then walked on water, healed the sick, and raised the dead. Thats what people WHO DIDNT BELIEVE IN HIM, wrote down. Thats history.
@TruthAscends
@TruthAscends 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you cliff! Hope to make you a motivational KZbin movie soon. Please email me
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
The ground (of complaint) is against such as claim exemption while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind: Allah hath sealed their hearts; so they know not (What they miss).
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
@cecilspurlockjr.9421 3 жыл бұрын
It disappoints me that cliffes son said he'd throw his faith in CHRIST to the wind because of man's knowledge..
@zanenzeller4885
@zanenzeller4885 3 жыл бұрын
He would have to. But if you ever find there to be animate objects coming from inanimate objects, lmk lol cuz it's not happening
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
@cecilspurlockjr.9421 3 жыл бұрын
@@zanenzeller4885 either one knows GOD or doesn't . Nothing that could be said or shown can make someone I know personally nonexistent.. It just kinda shocked me to hear him say that..
@zanenzeller4885
@zanenzeller4885 3 жыл бұрын
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 It shocked me as well. He was just basing it off a minuscule chance
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 And there were, among the desert Arabs (also), men who made excuses and came to claim exemption; and those who were false to Allah and His Messenger (merely) sat inactive. Soon will a grievous penalty seize the Unbelievers among them.
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
@cecilspurlockjr.9421 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 I would never be false concerning allah Lee .. I'm being very truthful as I say allah is not GOD but an evil spirit of lucifers. .. THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD and those who don't submit to HIM will perish..
@WickidMisfit
@WickidMisfit 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so if Jesus or The Lord God is the alpha and omega or the beginning and the end would that not mean that Jesus and the Lord God are created by God?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
They prefer to be with (the women), who remain behind (at home): their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.
@WickidMisfit
@WickidMisfit 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 hey bro what do you mean to say?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@WickidMisfit If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion.
@WickidMisfit
@WickidMisfit 3 жыл бұрын
@@leeman7457 I was just wondering if God has no beginning or no end how can God be the beginning or the end when God is beyond a beginning or the end.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@WickidMisfit Say: "Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? And He it is that feedeth but is not fed." Say: "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah."
@nathanparker3700
@nathanparker3700 3 жыл бұрын
Trinity is a good place to discuss that he desended and assended as an unusual claim the eden quality as the lamb the personal experience that's confirmation by the Holy spirit. He fulfilled the sources stargazer prophet that Xaniel
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Nor do thou ever pray for any of them that dies, nor stand at his grave; for they rejected Allah and His Messenger, and died in a state of perverse rebellion.
@walterdaems57
@walterdaems57 3 жыл бұрын
God has never been anywhere in my worldview and I never experienced my life as meaningless.
@rinzler9171
@rinzler9171 2 жыл бұрын
Most hedonists don't.
@walterdaems57
@walterdaems57 2 жыл бұрын
@@rinzler9171 masochists are covert hedonists :)
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
The ant has no experience that the rough terrain he is crossing is natural or not, nor when it is lifted to the sky, bur that doesn't mean the ant isn't guided or overseen by a force they are not aware of or experience.
@walterdaems57
@walterdaems57 2 жыл бұрын
@@dogelife7901 I don’t deny the force you’re talking about, residing under the roof of your skull, where this force should be protected by all means because once this force leaves these very limited surroundings this force is bound to dissolve in thin air :)
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 4 ай бұрын
Well pride and idolatry will make you feel that way “ I don’t need God.” That will be to your detriment.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
I know my mom loves me: she says I love you to me, she checks up on me, gives me food, raised me for 18 years, she calls me, she hugs me, asks me about my day, loves seeing my baby pictures, has given me money, has put me before her and more importantly she exists. That’s evidence. With god there is no evidence, it’s all believed or imagined. You can’t produce anything close to the evidence I just provided you. That’s why you don’t “know”. I respect your “beliefs” but it’s not knowledge.
@JeezyF
@JeezyF 4 жыл бұрын
Life coming from non-life is direct evidence of some kind of higher power or thought. Absolute truth is evidence that there is a moral law thus a moral law giver, once again, evidence of some kind of higher power. The intricate complexity of not only the human mind and body, but every living thing that has ever been or will be is evidence that there was design behind all forms of life. You can choose to reject the evidence, but to claim there is no evidence of some sort of higher power/mind/deity is naive.
@solacedagony1234
@solacedagony1234 4 жыл бұрын
@@JeezyF these examples you give are like having a hammer and everything looking like a nail: they are a huge leap without any backing. You could insert pretty much anything else in place of God, naturally any other higher power that some other religion believes in, and it would make the same amount of sense. As we learn more about the natural world, religions hiding places shrink more and more.
@dacenmclean7901
@dacenmclean7901 4 жыл бұрын
That’s because they are all very proven to be beliefs. Christ is a DMT trip, anyone who has done dmt, or even mushrooms would agree that if you had no explanation for why you are tripping (burning bush smoke or eating mushrooms they didn’t know contained psilocybin), you would not be be able to explain what else it is. It seems only natural that a belief of a higher power would generate.
@nick7977
@nick7977 3 жыл бұрын
What came first the hammer or the nail.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Nor should the Believers all go forth together: if a contingent from every expedition remained behind, they could devote themselves to studies in religion, and admonish the people when they return to them,- that thus they (may learn) to guard themselves (against evil).
@GraftedOliveBranch
@GraftedOliveBranch 4 жыл бұрын
Whats your question for today Tom?....
@Kimkong2
@Kimkong2 4 жыл бұрын
I actually scrolled to check . Because he says the issue of miracles is the main reason he has a problem with Christianity and with God . Had a really long discussion with him .
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kimkong2 It's certainly one of the main reasons Fred, yes. Fred, what do you think the chances are if you sincerely prayed for someone with an incurable disease to get better?, I'd say they'd be slim to zero, .. but doesn't it say in the New Testament in various gospels, words to the effect of "whatever you ask for in prayer, you shall receive" .. now of course, I'm pretty sure that whoever wrote that didn't mean, if you prayed for a million dollars you'd receive it. But what if you genuinely and sincerely prayed for a close friend or family member to be healed of something that medical science cannot cure.. wouldn't that be an ideal opportunity for God/Jesus to show his hand... medical science can't heal it.. but Jesus can... how amazingly fantastic would that be ! .. but the truth is, as far as i can see, those passages that state whatever you wish for, you shall receive, is not true. But God will heal you of a neck pain, or one leg that is 1 inch shorter than the other, as i've seen lots of Christian healers do in shopping malls. Thats an easy trick to do.
@Kimkong2
@Kimkong2 4 жыл бұрын
@@bonnie43uk Hey Bonnie. The question asked is abit inconsistent. If God asnwered every prayer then obvioulsy there would be an issue just like you have mentioned. Im sure you have heard about the butterfly effect. Imagine if you and i could see the result of every action and clearly see the ripple effect of everything that happens. If so there would be very many things we would not grant for the sake of the overall consequences. Basically if all your wishes were granted there probaly would be more harm than good at the end of the day. Just read the book of Job. Again if you are going to quote a verse please quote it accurately and in context. Please do not be intellectually dishonest Bonnie by mis representing a quote. The full verse is from John chapter 14 and verse 13. The whole chapter is Jesus addressing people who fully believe in Him and how He then dwells in them . He then goes on to say that " whoever believes in me will also do the works that i am doing and even greater , for whoever asks for anything IN MY NAME will be granted SO THAT THE FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED"... You see it? The reason God answers prayers is not simply because we ask, He asnswers prayers based on two things in this account, if the prayer is asked in HIS name to imply the person believes and is acting in accordance with Gods will and that the answer to the prayer will glorify God and His nature NOT our own. So you cannot say because your prayers are not granted always that God does not answer prayers and therefore probably does not exist. Your presumtion on how and why prayers are answered is wrong. So prayers are not answered based on our sincere personal will. Just like Jesus said , the will has to be alined with God's will.
@didipip8054
@didipip8054 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kimkong2 I think the answer you gave is inconsistent. If god answers your prayer than that's proof that god answers prayers. If he doesn't answer your prayer than that means it wasn't his will. You've thrown logic and reasoning right out the windows with this fallacy. You've set up an unfalsifiable claim. Example: I am a true fortune teller. If what I tell you comes true than great! that's proof that i'm a fortune teller. If it doesn't come true it's because you didn't have enough faith in my powers. Or maybe the universe decided to change your fortune last second. By your logic I can believe in so many false things, and more importantly I can be taken advantage of by so many people. I'm gonna have to give you a thumbs down on this one Fred :)
@Kimkong2
@Kimkong2 4 жыл бұрын
@@didipip8054 How is it not logical? If you ask your father for somethinhg and it aligns also with what he wants for you, won't he give you what you ask because what you ask also aligns with what he wants for you?. If its not what he wants for you won't he not give it to you? Nowhere have i said that God does not answer your prayer because you lack faith. You have assumed i said that then proceded to deny what you THINK i have said. To your point about the fortune teller, your ability to tell fortunes should not be hindered by anybodys belief or lack there of. Assuming anyone actually can. So obviously anyone that lacks belief should not hinder any fortune tellers fortunes and they should take effect anyway. Now give me back my thumbs up. I didnt take away yours when you sent an unintentional reply XD. Also its not MY answer, its the answer Jesus gave according to John.
@ajr01-x6e
@ajr01-x6e 3 жыл бұрын
If abiogenesis was possible, and this was proven, it wouldn't disprove God gives life. How can you prove it was not God who brought non-life to life? Which would mean true abiogenesis is impossible. As God is living and unless He wills it to be so, something that is not alive will not live. After all, Adam was formed from the dust of the Earth and was given life from God's breath.
@ajr01-x6e
@ajr01-x6e 3 жыл бұрын
@@thechosen2545 I'm sorry but I dont really have much money to give
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@ajr01-x6e Allah hath prepared for them gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein: that is the supreme felicity.
@ChiefCedricJohnson
@ChiefCedricJohnson Жыл бұрын
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
@dookiebrains3824
@dookiebrains3824 3 жыл бұрын
Cliffe has successfully demonstrated that he doesnt understand the difference between intuitive knowledge and scientific. He keeps saying that order and design point to a "designer". I understand why he says this but the problem is that this is a claim based on intuition, not science. Our intuition tells us that there must be a grand designer that designed all, because apparently the quality of being designed implies a designer. Hey Cliffe, how exactly do you demonstrate this? How exactly do you test this in a way that provides repeatable results? Just because something feels true, doesn't make it true until we investigate it aka apply the scientific method. Has anyone ever observed things being created by all powerful designers? Before we can be reasonably certain of a claim it is pertinent we test it first. How do we go about testing the designer claim? Unless Cliffe can provide an actual method to test his claims, they will remain as unsubstantiated claims influenced by his intuition. Intuition is not a special path to truth. We learn more about the universe by making observations, forming hypothesis and testing said hypothesis. "Order and design implying a creator" is just a weak appeal to intuition that any decently intelligent individuals l can see right through. Sorry Cliffe, do better.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
But when He did bestow of His bounty, they became covetous, and turned back (from their covenant), averse (from its fulfilment).
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
Irreducible complexity of life points to a designer. Random things to do not build buildings. I hypothesize that science will never answer the why for the reason of life only how it happened because love, spirit, and feelings are not testable in a lab.
@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Co:5:1: It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 1Co:5:2: And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 1Co:5:3: For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 1Co:5:4: In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1Co:5:5: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1Co:5:6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 1Co:5:7: Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1Co:5:8: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co:5:9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 1Co:5:10: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 1Co:5:11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co:5:12: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co:5:13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
And Abraham prayed for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became clear to him that he was an enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: for Abraham was most tender-hearted, forbearing.
@FaithfulReasoning
@FaithfulReasoning 4 жыл бұрын
Do they only teach muslims these things how trinity can be true and jesus said hes not god that's what I hear all the muslims say
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
There are (yet) others, held in suspense for the command of Allah, whether He will punish them, or turn in mercy to them: and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
The false Muslim teachings try to show that Jesus was not God and use a misunderstandingof the trinity as supposed evidence. It's ironic that everyone argues the valudity of the Bible due to its age but never mention the Koran which was written hundreds of years later and far younger, but is based on the Bible, says that the Bible is true yet contradicts it, and written by a supposed prophet who denies basic truths of the Bible, and all that is ignored. In other words christianity an other religions are incompatible. Either Jesus was truth or he wasn't. That choice in faith is up to each to determine for themselves.
@gweilospur5877
@gweilospur5877 3 жыл бұрын
There are different ways of knowing things, but making up a story isn’t one of them.
@rinzler9171
@rinzler9171 2 жыл бұрын
And the evidence that the story was made up is...?
@gweilospur5877
@gweilospur5877 2 жыл бұрын
@@rinzler9171 Firstly, you don’t need evidence that a story is not true, the story- teller needs evidence that it is true - simple epistemology. However, the evidence is that you can find all of the significant stories of the supposed life of Christ in much older Persian and Egyptian mythologies. The Bible is a fairy tale, and not even an original one.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
That's fun conjecture, because here we are 2,000 years later and Jesus still is known withhos accounts being preserved and studied, yet these other texts you speak of are printed and distributed where? They must have not been that important after all.
@gweilospur5877
@gweilospur5877 2 жыл бұрын
@@dogelife7901 A lot of people buy Superman comics, so I guess that must be true as well.
@UniteAgainstEvil
@UniteAgainstEvil Жыл бұрын
@@gweilospur5877 you are SMART!
@GayorgVonTrapp
@GayorgVonTrapp 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is allowed on student campuses? It’s just weird.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
Nor let their wealth nor their (following in) sons dazzle thee: Allah's plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and that their souls may perish in their (very) denial of Allah.
@AR-ed8jp
@AR-ed8jp 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
@@AR-ed8jp They said: "Shall we believe in two men like ourselves? And their people are subject to us!"
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
God bless freedom of speech and free thinking on campuses.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 4 жыл бұрын
Cliffe asks a great question when he says "any historian who tells you, that the New Testament is not historically accurate", he asks the question, .."why would you say that"? .. Quite rightly, as he says, many historians question the New Testament gospels because they contain supernatural miracles.. from what I've seen in my life, we don't see supernatural miracles occur, therefore, it brings the New Testament into question as a truthful historical document. Added to that, we know that humans have a propensity to exaggerate or to think they've seen a miracle when in fact, what they actually witnessed had a perfectly rational and natural explanation. Humans we know are also easily persuaded by something which sounds convincing or something that they want to be true.. there are various reasons why some historians don't take the New Testament as historical. I'm more than happy to take parts of the NT as true, but not the magical bits..I'd need a lot more convincing. eg: how on earth do you go about proving that Jesus floated up into the clouds in front of a few of his supporters?
@johndavis7078
@johndavis7078 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Tom, Just wanted to drop you a short reply to this. I think you are at "The wrong starting line" in regards to prayer. Prayers are not intended to be a Christians wish list. I heard praying is intended to be the way we stay in relationship with God. So if you look at prayers as a wishlist that may or may not be answered, that is the wrong starting point. But if you enter praying time as a way to be in relationship with your Heavenly Father.... That is the correct place to start. Have a good day!
@JohnCashin
@JohnCashin 4 жыл бұрын
That's right Tom, and there's a lot of detail contained within the miracles stories that beg to be questioned in terms of accuracy. For example, let's presume that at least, something LIKE the 'feeding of the multitudes' somehow happened. Now, 5000 or even 4000 (as it also said) is a STAGGERING number of people. Loaves and fishes being multiplied miraculously to one side for a moment, I would have to wonder who counted all of those followers or if this was just a grossly inflated figure or just plain guesswork on the part of the authors??? Bearing all of that in mind and at the risk of sounding like a lawyer in a courtroom here😃 , would it be inconceivable to suggest that maybe there were MUCH LESS than 5000 people? More like say, a few hundred at the most? Would it also be inconceivable to suggest that maybe there were a lot more than five loaves and two fishes?? That they may have been a LITTLE short on food but not as short as the author's claim? Would it be unreasonable of me to suggest that perhaps what this man that was called Jesus Christ of Nazareth ACTUALLY did at the time was to divide whatever food was there in a very unusual and clever way which meant that everyone got something and then when they came to writing the story, the authors of the Gospels blew it up into more than what REALLY happened in order to sell the idea of him being divine? Does that sound plausible?
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 4 жыл бұрын
@@freightshayker Absolutely David, the police will have lots of very good clues to give themselves a good starting point as to where to look and to be able to fit the clues together to find crucial answers.. none of those answers will be "it was a magical occurrence" ..but this is what we have in the Bible .. magical occurrences, thats the point I'm making.. in this case it's like the police asking a key witness what he saw, .. and the key witness is saying "well, an angel came down, and magically stole the diamond" .. the police can discount that evidence because it doesn't comport with reality. To use Occams razor, that would be the least likely answer given that there are much more rational explanations. But I absolutely accept that Christians accept that miracles occur, I'm just taking a skeptical view, based on the fact that we don't see truly magical acts of wonder of the kind as described in the Bible.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 4 жыл бұрын
@@freightshayker I actually had an email back from Craig Keener about 3 or 4 months ago concerning certain types of miracle claims , ok , he wasn't very forthcoming, but I appreciate that he took the time to reply back to my question.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnCashin Yes John, that's a plausible explanation, I wonder also if it is merely a retelling of a story from the Old Testament about Elisha feeding over a hundred men with a few loaves and fishes, ..of course, the New Testament writers thought never mind 100, ..Jesus can top that with thousands of people.. it sounds even more amazing. Maybe Christians don't have the same skepticism that you and I have when it comes to the Bible. When you hear these stories for the first time as a child, they are spellbinding and convincing, esp as they're being told to us by adults who genuinely believe them, so naturally, you believe them aswell. But as you get older you begin to doubt whether or not it really happened, and the magic of the story begins to unravel like pulling away at some loose thread, you begin to see the spun yarn.
@LuciferAlmighty
@LuciferAlmighty 3 жыл бұрын
The trinity is incoherent and violates the law of identity.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
But some of the desert Arabs believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look on their payments as pious gifts bringing them nearer to Allah and obtaining the prayers of the Messenger. Aye, indeed they bring them nearer (to Him): soon will Allah admit them to His Mercy: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 2 жыл бұрын
Ok 👍
@dylancan69
@dylancan69 2 жыл бұрын
Lol no it doesn't, body mind and spirit bro you aren't any one of those things
@mikefranciosa5613
@mikefranciosa5613 4 жыл бұрын
this is not a conversation...its an embarrassment ...a book of fables does not prove a god !
@accrolamela1359
@accrolamela1359 3 жыл бұрын
Get off you blasphmy
@carlosbecerril3317
@carlosbecerril3317 3 жыл бұрын
@@accrolamela1359 use your brain sheep.
@accrolamela1359
@accrolamela1359 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosbecerril3317 then use your mind
@carlosbecerril3317
@carlosbecerril3317 3 жыл бұрын
@@accrolamela1359 I did, I came up with a unique insult. You just rehashed mine. Clearly of the two of us, Im the one using their brain.
@accrolamela1359
@accrolamela1359 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosbecerril3317 you are not well
@iancole931
@iancole931 Жыл бұрын
Delusional.
@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Co:5:1: It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 1Co:5:2: And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 1Co:5:3: For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 1Co:5:4: In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1Co:5:5: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1Co:5:6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 1Co:5:7: Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 1Co:5:8: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co:5:9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 1Co:5:10: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 1Co:5:11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co:5:12: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co:5:13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
@leeman7457
@leeman7457 3 жыл бұрын
It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the Fire.
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