Give Your Twin Cam 88 New Life With A Bolt In Cam Upgrade

[@GixxerFoo]

Would you leave your stock displacement and do a cam swap or add a big bore kit for increased displacement?

[@anchorsaweigh9893]

I don’t think you could go wrong with just the cams. That’s relatively cheap IMO. However I would recommend the SE 95 kit. With and Oil Cooler and 44mm Makuni and my motor just keeps chugging along with decent power. It is surprisingly dependable

[@scrumthebum2451]

One of my riding buddies Has a 2003 Dyna he upgraded to zippers 95” muscle kit & S&S G1 carb. the thing is a rocket

[@alexdirtysanchez820]

For now just cams. I'm wanting to turn my Road King in to Cholo Kong so i want to go big bore big cams big heads. Full meal deal! LoL

[@RedEmpire36]

On the 88 really need to do cams with hydraulic conversion or else your just wasting time/money as you’ll have to do it eventually

[@leonardstanford1877]

Definitely go 95 will really wake it up ! I'm a huge fan of the 95 inch motor the short stroke rev's up quick !

[@thejerseyj9422]

That's a great point about what RPM range you ride in. To me, HP and torque numbers at 5500 RPM mean very little because I never go there. 2500 - 4000 is my world so this video gave me all the info I need. Every Harley Davidson owner needs to know about this channel and especially us Twin Cam guys. ✌

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I appreciate that! I see so many people interested in the "stage 4 kit" just by looking at peak numbers. You get this big number up top but when you look at the RPM it's over 5k. The Stage 3 makes just as much and if not more in the lower RPM range up to 5K. Also a $1500 dollar difference so why pay more something you may never use?

[@davidzoerner7186]

@@GixxerFoo. Exactly! I’m going to write a long comment with questions. Love your channel and content!

[@kevinzastrocky5685]

Last year I put s&s gear drive 509 cams on my 99 road king and its amazing what a difference it made. I highly recommend them.

[@rgh622]

Hello fellow 99, carbureted Road King owner. I'm an original owner and love this beast.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's an awesome bike! You can ride that bike as long as you want, it will serve for years!

[@bradballard2068]

I did the exact same thing to my 2000 RG. And I absolutely love it. a wise choice on my part

[@stuartmacarthur1000]

Have 06 flhtcui screaming eagle 3-1/2 slip on arlen ness monster sucker ( that alone made a big difference ) now looking at the s&s 509 c cam chest kit ,pretty sure it's going in soon

[@Johnjohn-pz5kg]

Where would you start with carb adjustments

[@unclemikeb]

Came back for a second look. If I read the chart correctly, the 509 cam produces significantly more hp and trq in the 2,000 to 3,500 range which is where I normally operate. That would definitely feel stronger than the Feuling cam to my style of riding. Plus, I think I lucked out. With just stage one, my 88 can pull away at idle by just easing out the clutch. I have ridden in a group with other 88's and I was easily able to catch them when they sped up after a major slowdown. Now, with 85,000 miles I'm going in to replace the cam shoes and do a major re-torque of all nuts and bolts on the whole bike. I greatly appreciate this review on the cams. I was researching the procedure of replacing the shoes when I found your review by accident.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's exactly how you pick the right cam for your bike! You gotta look where you normally ride and not worry so much on the peak numbers.

[@unclemikeb]

@@GixxerFoo I was talking with an independent Harley repair shop regarding the cam shoes. he mentioned something relevant. If I install the 509 cam with higher lift, it wil be pushing the valves a tiny bit more into unused territory. That could mean the valve seals get scraped up and it will start burning oil. if the engine only had 30,000 miles it would probably not be an issue. But with 85,000 miles maybe I should replace the valve seals now while I am tearing down to replace the cam shoes.

[@unclemikeb]

Thanks for a clear and concise video. I am leaning toward the S&S 509 due to the smoothness of the curve. I seldom run higher than 3000 between gears. Before I picked up the bike, I had the dealer install high flow air filter, reworked the filter housing to allow air to enter from more places, rejet the carb, and install the screaming eagle ignition module. I drilled out the factory mufflers with a long drill extension so they breath a lot better but look stock if stopped by hard ass cop. My bike has so much torque I can ease out the clutch at idle and it takes off. I swapped the exhaust for V&H long shots but there was no cross over pipe between the pipes. The low end torque was gone. I put the stock exhaust back on and wow the torque was back. I could not believe the factory mufflers with crossover was better than with open exhaust, no crossover.

[@enricomandragona163]

For your bike the 510 would be a better option!!

[@enricomandragona163]

Better yet put D& D's on or old super traps made for screaming eagle

[@unclemikeb]

@@enricomandragona163 according to the chart, the 509 makes more power at low rpm. The 510 requires higher rpm to get the most from the cam.

[@enricomandragona163]

@@unclemikeb in a real world mike the 510 is more established!! Rule #1, Dyno charts are a general average. The same bike in different parts of the country are going to behave differently. Especially when you use a cam with an intake valve closing sooner than the factory cam of 34-36° ATDC!! Good example is the Andrews TW-21 and EV-21! Theses types of cams build up too much cylinder pressure with not a whole lot of duration to allow time for it to escape out of the exhaust system. Not much overlap either! Your gonna get pinging especially with a SE module!! At least with an Evo you can adjust the static timing. Get an adjustable module! You want a good all around cam run the 203!! You'll be happy & it tolerates everything!! Rule #2 don't listen to a drunk in a bar what can to run 🙄🤐

[@jerielyork4399]

525 rapers S&S pushrods S&S rollers made a world of difference on my 04 Heritage fuel injected 88b I love it

[@brianmestaz8855]

I have the same bike same year I bought the fueling kit conversion cam plate thought the ss 509 cams would work with this camp late but it doesn't cuzz its a conversion so I'm going 525 mite as well match everything

[@joedepaul22222]

I put SS 509s in my 88 and Screaming Eagle oil pump/billet cam plate and timkin bearings with hydraulic chain tensions. Love it. More power and oil pressure. Great upgrade

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds great! You got nothing to worry about on that bottom end now, 509 is a excellent cam in the 88. Did you go with the easy start option?

[@yz490w]

I put an S&S 509 gear cam in my 2002 Electra glide FI and the wood ( night prowler) TW6 gear cam in my wife 2010 super glide (96). Best thing I’ve done for my Electra so far. I just love the torque that move the bike. It’s no rocket but I do not downshift to pass a vehicle anymore. Took a bit of fiddling with the tuning but got it right on now. The wife is now pleased with hers as before she felt that the power delivery was different and she did not like it at first. We are both very happy now and no, the noise isn’t noticeable.

[@robbaar7035]

I'm wanting to replace my stock cam on my 2002 Fatboy with a gear drive if crank runout will allow it. I was thinking of going with the S&S 509. After watching this again I'm leaning toward the TW6. Some forums mention the TW6 is much noisier than some, I see you you say it's not noticeable. Curious if you had my bike which of the 2 gear cams would you choose?

[@yz490w]

@@robbaar7035 I am partial to my 509. I like the torque it produce, it is tractor like. Not much high rpm but then I rarely need to go there. I am a big and heavy man so racing is not in my plan, I enjoy riding and keep my rpm low. I do not ride my wife’s bike unless I have to trouble shoot something but it is very reliable so my seat time has been very short. Power is in higher rpm and sportier so it is your choice. My Electra is 850+ pounds and your fat boy is about 720 so I would consider the tw6 very closely or s&s510. The 509 is best suited for heavy bike. That’s just my opinion.

[@robbaar7035]

@@yz490w Thanks, I appreciate your response. Would I need to replace valve springs if I went with the S&S 510?

[@yz490w]

@@robbaar7035 no, stock valve train. Look at the video on s&s.

[@robbaar7035]

@@yz490w I have a 2002 Fatboy with a stock 88 ci other than a Bassani Road Rage II 2 into 1 exhaust, a K & N high flow air cleaner, and a Dynojet Power Vision tuner. I flashed the tune Dynojet sent me for what I currently have. I want to add a S & S cam plate kit with new oil pump and 509 gear drive cams if crankshaft runout allows it. My question is do I need a new Dynojet tune for the cam change? All the tunes I've looked at on Dynojet website only ask what you have for exhaust and air cleaner, nothing I can find about cams?Maybe the current tune I have will work with the 509 cam upgrade?

[@GavinTurner-w6i]

Some people I think have lost sight of what an air cooled, pushrod VTwin Harley is about: The look, sound, the feel and experience. Some of these guys waste alot of money wanting to try and build a Harley that will smoke a Sportbike, while that is possible, it's going to be hard to beat these bigger bore Sportbikes 1200cc and over. Don't waste your time trying to do that. On an a Twin Cam 88 motor a 25 = 30 hp gain will make a huge difference. That would put you up in the 85 = 90 hp, and 100 ft. lbs of torque. range that will feel really good on a Twin Cam.

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

If I want a serious fast bike, I'll stick a crotch rocket motor in a custom chopper frame. I have an old 750 honda motor in a stretched out frame with Harley tanks and front end. Its lighter and faster than any of my Harleys and screams like a violated mountain lion. Harleys sound tough, straight piped crotch rockets sound terrifying.

[@michaelchipman5364]

I just did the 509 swap last week. I am super pleased with how it pulls and pulls. I have the Reinhardt true duals on and it has the perfect amount of rowdy on the exhaust note

[@GixxerFoo]

That is awesome! Rinehart really seems to be what a lot of shops are recommending!

[@DJDooxx]

Hey Michael, same here! did you have to retune after this upgrade?

[@thomasborger6548]

​@@DJDooxx 509s and RH true duals as well. A good tune is a wonderful thing

[@twitterjackedmitchell8096]

Tried the 509g in a SE 95 bigbore??

[@thomasborger6548]

@@twitterjackedmitchell8096 509 is a low lift cam, I'd try something else in a 95 and maybe add head work if the budget allowed and then you'd have something fun

[@kerrylewis2581]

Love all these cam reviews. I've completed engine upgrades on dozens of 88" twin cams from 2006 and down. Minimally I recommend a stage 2 upgrade with a gear cam that fits your riding style. I live near the mountains so I like the 509 for heavy bikes or for someone who rides with a passenger more often than alone. The Andrews 26 is the cam I recommend for one up and lighter motorcycles. I've also installed the SE 203 and SE 204 for those who want to stay with HD parts. Both are great but I lean towards the 204. I've never tried a Rocket cam but I think the one you reviewed needs to be installed in an 04 model or newer because of lift. Very hard to go by the peak numbers from different dyno machines. I always look at the curve over numbers. For example, my first stage 1 dyno tune at the Harley dealer claimed 103 TQ and 89 HP on my 2013 FLHTK. Never liked the tune so I took it to who I feel is the best in the area. His peak numbers before his tune showed 89TQ and 72HP. That's a huge difference for the same bike on different dyno's. Sorry for the long post but I love this stuff and can talk or type forever.

[@jimedward8908]

Since you have upgraded several TC88's, given your experience, would you recommend the 509 and head porting work for a 1999 Road King with a 230 lb rider? Right now all it has is an upgraded air cleaner, re-jetted carb and Fulsac true duals using mufflers off a CVO 110 bike.

[@GixxerFoo]

I'm with you, I can go on and on about this stuff myself too! That's some great info on your installs, you and I are on the same page about the cams!

[@kerrylewis2581]

@@jimedward8908 My first question is do you have a local shop you trust? Second, do you like speed, torque, racing your buddies when the light turns green? An increase in displacement and headwork opens up another world when it comes to choices. I ride in the 2,000 to 3,500 rpm range so any power beyond 4,000 is wasted on someone like myself. This sounds like a great topic for another video. Hint, hint...

[@GixxerFoo]

That's really not a bad idea, l tried to keep cams for the all around power. Finding good high torque cams that come on early and peak mid are easy to find.

[@enricomandragona163]

@@jimedward8908 I would contact the person who's doing the head work so he can set up the chamber to the proper compression and the cams timing!

[@reddawg4152]

Got a 2000 88 ,Heritage Softail Classic.. Going threw it and your information is what I needed.. It's carburetor. Your information is right on it .. Thank you very much.. I'm Disabled Veteran this is my let out .. 68 yrs.

[@buckguest3012]

Thank you for your sacrifices for our nation.

[@reddawg4152]

@@buckguest3012 Thank you..

[@JNigelReese669]

Thank you Sir!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you for your service, my dad is also a Disabled Veteran. I'm glad you found the information you were looking for, a nice cam in your 88 will that Heritage a nice boost!

[@sammartin3069]

About a month ago, I put the Wood TW-6 cams and a Power Commander tuner on my 88 twin cam Electra Glide. I didn't have it dynoed but I'm very pleased with the results. Thanks for the advice.

[@GixxerFoo]

Very nice! A cam makes a huge difference!

[@hermanbrown4786]

Any spring problems with installing the TW-6 cams ?

[@sammartin3069]

@@hermanbrown4786 I'm assuming you're talking about the valve springs, I didn't install them myself so I can't offer intelligence about installation. If you're asking about reliability I haven't had any problems, I chose TW-6 Nightprowlers 'cause I was given to believe that is as big as you can go without having to upgrade the rest of the valve train.

[@Hoprgras]

This is by far my favorite 88" upgrade video. It encourages me to save some money ignoring the BB kit. Plus it's on a lighter Dyna, which would make it a snatcher to ride!

[@GixxerFoo]

Great to hear! The big bore kits are great but if you don't have the right cam it's not gonna do much. You can do a cam swap and get some major gains with just the 88" displacement. It's all about compression and the right cam with a big bore kit.

[@Hoprgras]

@@GixxerFoo That Woods "TW-6" is a "winner" to me too. Friend dropped one in his 07' Softail Standard. Cam only in 96", and the normal stage 1. That bike left me sooo hard from the light, it was insane! 😮 And my Stage 1 88" runs hard. I didn't expect him leaving that bad!

[@GixxerFoo]

That wood makes serious power in the 96, not too far off from the same cam in a 103. Wood makes a cam for the 88 that runs really strong.

[@Hoprgras]

@@GixxerFoo TW-6 or TW-5-5-5

[@GixxerFoo]

The TW-6 l like if you're keeping stock compression and not going to be building the engine any further. The TW-555 works well with an other wise stock motor, but it's a better choice if you plan on doing head work and building the bike out more.

[@Chase_N]

Would just like to thank you for convincing me that a Twin Cam was the way to go. I picked up a 103ci Fat Bob this week over a much more expensive M8 after seeing the performance differences weren't far apart. It came with bags, windshield, cobra slip ons, and only 4000 miles. I was surprised how much power it had. I'll be referencing any videos you've made on the 103ci TC for ideas. The fact that I can buy a whole new 111ci to 124ci motor from S&S for under 7 grand is cool too. Maybe you should do a vid on replacement motors next?

[@GixxerFoo]

Fat Bob is one of my favorites, the stock seat on 103 Fat Bob is like a hammock. I love those seats, it's an excellent handling motorcycle too. I like the new Softail Fat Bob but at the end of the day I would do what you did and pick up a nice low miles used Dyna version.

[@jeremymacklem2510]

I have a 2000 carbed Deuce...no idea what upgrades were done internally. Put it on the Dyno after installing a Dakota Digital guage to dial in the speedo. Turns out its putting out 85hp and 95ftlb. Going to crack her open this winter and see what's been done. I know these cams will be older aftermarket. I am the 3rd owner. 1st owner did the staging...2nd owner was a mailman who owned it a year and knew nothing about the bike. Between these 2 owners it sat for 8 years in a sea of bikes for sale at a place called "Power Brokers" I purchased it with mileage @10k it now has 15k. Your videos are very helpful and I am anxious to find out what this TC88 has in it after seeing the numbers you have shown! Thanks for the great videos!!!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I appreciate the support! That bikes had some work done to it for sure, those numbers are too strong to just be exhaust and an air cleaner.

[@jimscycleandautotn8508]

Andrews 26h is my choice for twin cams as the power range is where we all mostly ride in. Great cams.

[@brianblasczyk5200]

I just got my bike back,went with the S&S 509 cam,S&S tappets,S.E pushrods/tubes,S.E hydraulic cam plate with high flow oil pump. Already had a Ness big sucker kit with breather bypass’s,BUB 2 into 1 pipe and a S.E pro tuner. Made 72 HP at 4850,94 Torque at 3250. Runout was .003, thanks for all the content,it helped with some of my choices.

[@GixxerFoo]

Those are really good numbers on a 88! 88's put the torque down hard, excellent run out too!

[@brianblasczyk5200]

The stock spring tensioner’s were in good shape when pulled,bike has 22k miles,everything looked good inside 👍

[@rodleithner7931]

Very useful info. Just purchased a 2002 heritage softail carb. with only 17728 mi. she is spotless. I am 61 y/o so I don't need a rocket. My scoot already has a stage one. I am going to add a 2into1 to replace the dual slips. Cut to the chase. All I need is to buy a good power cam will be all I need. Thanks so much for your vids you just saved me a lot of $$$$.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! A good cam will bring a lot to the party in the motor, especially with that 2 into 1! For sure change out the tensioners with the new cam or even better upgrade the cam plate with one that has hydraulic tensioners and high volume oil pump.

[@rodleithner7931]

@@GixxerFoo Yep!!!!!!

[@64Goef]

Just completed my upgrades today. Fueling camplate and oilpump, 525 cams, V&H intake, headers and slipons. Good tune set. Really starts pulling from about 2200 rpm. For an 88 with 135k kilometers on it..😀👍

[@buckguest3012]

2000 FXDWG 54,000 miles. Stage 1 @ 72 HP, 85 ft-lbs. I'm ready to order parts for the for stage 2 using the Feuling camchest upgrade with either 525/ 543 can set or Andrews 37N. In hindsight was your 525 a good choice? I live in wide open country and this is a lightweight solo ride. Just doing the cams now and the Hammer 98" cylinder and head kit next year. Thanks in advance.

[@64Goef]

@@buckguest3012 Yep, the 525 was for me a good choice. Very happy with it. My set up however is set for 2 up long travel across Europe when the bug is gone.

[@64Goef]

@@buckguest3012 This is all on a 2004 Electra Glide Classic.

[@buckguest3012]

@@64Goef Many thanks sir for the response. Enjoy and ride safely.

[@GixxerFoo]

525 is a excellent choice for high torque, adding that Feuling cam plate is just some added insurance as well.

[@ljjeep1]

I did an air cleaner slip-ons and a fueling 525 cams and man it really woke the bike up oh and that's a twin cam 88 and you want to take it to

[@GixxerFoo]

It's amazing what a cam will do on Harley!

[@michaellemasters9591]

@@GixxerFoo OK. I'm getting ready to accept the deficiencies of the H-D Big Twin (I think?). I have been paying close attention to what you've said about the bearings on the 88 and how affordable these bikes are these days. The part that sold me was the 98 cubic inch trick with Hammer and proper Wood cams, not too mention the cam tensioner trick. I've located a 2000 Fatboy with 5,400 original miles, so immediately getting the thing dialed in from the get go is a huge plus. Coming from a '08 Suzuki BKing and now a '14 Suzuki V-Strom DL1000, I absolutely have to have a reliable, useful motorcycling experience. I also have a 2002 Buell S3T Thunderbolt with 10K original miles. I cannot stand unreliable or expensive repairs and absolutely need reliable, day in day out performance. I don't mind wrenching on things, but everything has too come together in a cost effective and efficient manner.

[@billbaird8132]

Great video, wish I had seen it 15 years ago when I did my 88. If I remember correctly, I selected the Andrews TW37b on my 88, also changed to .030 head gaskets as I was there.. I have been happy with my selection (2500 - 5000) I was hoping to see tw37b on this video. Thanks , I enjoy your videos!!!

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I'm running the S&S 509 cams on my 03 Carbureted Dyna. My bike is set up a little heavy with a fairing, saddlebags, and a touring seat but I've also got upgraded brakes, chassis, and suspension. I guess you could call it a sport tour. As for the engine I've got the cams as mentioned along with a high flow air cleaner but with riding long distance I couldn't deal with the aftermarket exhaust I had on there for a while. So I modified a stock 2 into1 exhaust from a 2014 Dyna low Rider to fit my bike. I'm hoping it flows a little better than a stock exhaust for an 88 because it was made for a 107. I also removed the catalyst material and plugged where the O2 sensors would go. I'm not sure how much horsepower I'm giving up with this exhaust but I'm hoping it's not too much. I like the look and sound of it on the bike and I haven't noticed any real lack of power.

[@koolryder4153]

I have a 05 Electraglide standard , a bro from my club installed the S&S 510 cams and roller bearing with gear drive , and a power commander, then took it down and had it dyno tuned , it screamed and still does 18 years later . Got hooked up by the club bros on the setup and install !! Recommend s&s. I was in the front and think they wanted to go faster ha ha

[@JasonMcCrea-l2o]

The S&S refresh was the way to go!!!!! Thanks again!!!

[@JasonMcCrea-l2o]

I went all the way with the S&S 100” kit with 585 cams. I also went with the S&S heads, super G carb, and a great tune!!!! I am extremely happy with their products from S&S!

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds like you did everything right on that build! If you're going to do it go all the way!

[@brentehrhardt8208]

You must be pretty close to 120 horsepower.

[@drewmacmillan6954]

Great Post! I have run Bob Woods Cams For 10 Years.. I am very happy.

[@markbartholomew7423]

Did Andrews TW37B cams, .510 lift, Thunderheader & carb work. Big improvement.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's some solid work, the Thunderheader is a damn fine exhaust system!

[@davidzoerner7186]

I bought a one owner 2006 Fat Boy FLSTFI this past summer. Needed some cleaning as it had largely sat idle, but only 4,000 miles. It has a decent stage 1 on it, but all I’m keeping is the Big Sucker. The slip ons have some rust and I scored a Pro-Pipe on EBay. The DynoJet Power Commander 3 seemed to be set lean and then it stopped functioning, so I pulled it and plugged back in the stock harness. Ran rough but figured out why it wouldn’t start. I want to move forward with a bolt in cam. Don’t think I’m going to do a S&S 100” as it’s a bit much on a bike I may not ride more than a year or two, unless it’s too fun to give up. This seems like a great opportunity to build a fun in town ripper. Here comes the questions. I’m not cheap, but looking for a minimum investment, but want to do bearings and cam chain tensioner replacement while I have the cam cover off. Not decided, but I’m thinking an S&S 509, Andrews 57 or even a Rocket Cam. Will be doing a Power Vision Tune. I want to keep the stock heads and springs. I ride in a medium sized city and wont probably ride this much on an Interstate. If I ever see 5,000 RPM’s I’ll be coming right off the throttle giggling. You say consider what RPM range you ride in, I’m typically in a lower 2,000 to 4,000 area. Any opinion on best cam choice, specific tensioners etc. I can’t find high end replacement tensioners. I appreciate any info. Please keep the outstanding content coming!

[@BigZCustoms]

I keep watching your Big Bore Kit video. It’s probably going to happen. Going to install the S&S 509 cams first and feel it out. Thanks for the awesome videos! Great info.

[@dittman2564]

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, and see dyno chart, for the S&S 510 cams in a carbureted 88ci. Or even a comparison between the S&S 509 cams and 510 cams.

[@dougcorum8718]

Andrews TW37G, 510 Lift. V&H slip ones, carb kit, screaming eagle air filter. This gave the 88" on the 2002 FLHT new life. 63k miles and running strong.

[@Wheel-1]

Were these just drop in ? No other upgrades needed ?

[@clarencepettigrew7566]

Yes ... adjustable pushrods .. ... what I did in 2000. 77 horses

[@Bretbunde]

Thanks for working on the 88” TC buddy👍🏻

[@GixxerFoo]

No problem 👍 It's still really good engine, there's nothing wrong with an 88!

[@whenim6462]

I’m glad to hear your mention on the 509G cam. I just put a gears drive and 509G cams in my 2005 Fatboy. It a blaring with all that torque..

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a nice setup going with that gear drive, no more tensioner worries down the road!

[@robbaar7035]

Does your 05 Fatboy have the factory 95 ci motor? I'd love to ride one sometime to compare to the stock 88ci.

[@barrydawg7544]

WOW,, GREAT information,,, I'm glad I found you and subscribed to your channel...thanks again..

[@peterwgoertzen2472]

The wood TW6 sounds good. Rarely get past 4500 rpm and I like that it would build through to the shift.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the best way to get the right cam is really take some notes on how your ride and your rpm range!

[@garychandler4296]

I ride the same. Andrews 21's and it's a torquemonster.

[@jongray9342]

Woods ..thanks for your time...

[@brandonmacon3317]

Alright finally this year is the time. Putting a cam in my 05 lowrider and i always come back to this Gixer video. Everyone at the shop keeps pushing the 525 reaper over SE and a few others... What does the Gixer think? Last question about cams i promise 😁😫

[@TheFlhx2010]

2000 88 FLHR carburetor wood cams tw 6 runs great

[@barrydawg7544]

BTW I just picked up a 2005 Softail Deluxe with 12,600 miles on it...

[@StoneOcean92]

Going with the tw6! Thanks for all the info on the tc88 really gives some clarity and insights

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad to help!

[@piersmarchington]

Can you use a S&S 509 on a TC88 then upgrade to a 100CI kit and keep the same cams?

[@GixxerFoo]

With the larger displacement that cam would really lose it's effectiveness in my opinion. You would likely want to move up to a 570 or 585 if you're going that larger displacement.

[@JasonMcCrea-l2o]

I highly Recommend the 100” big bore kit!!!! My dyna just rips now!!!! Paired up with the V&H big radius exhaust and it’s just a mean machine now.

[@GixxerFoo]

I love hearing that! Plus your not buried under a crushing monthly payment like a lot of people are chasing the M8's power.

[@pundamilia1191]

I like the torque on the Fueling but the TW6 is impressive. Tough choice for my 03 fxdl.

[@GixxerFoo]

The only down side to a Wood cam is they are somewhat noisy. They keep the valves open longer and the ramp angle is aggressive. If you're not worried about noise the Wood cam is great. The Feuling is an awesome cam too, it's definitely going to quieter than the Wood.

[@curtislehew3537]

i went with the TW6 , my 02 softail came alive . Feels good to see the forks lift to the stops ! Great bang for your buck . Glad i came across your videos !

[@earlcullen1050]

Did you do any other upgrades at the same time you did the cams?

[@curtislehew3537]

@@earlcullen1050 none except cam tensioners from cyco

[@wollywolly2734]

I did the 509 on my 99 RK Love it as it was massive burst speed improvement . It's perfect for the twisties where there occurs a lot of acceleration and deceleration I do recommend

[@DJDooxx]

Hey WOLLY, did you have to retune after this upgrade?

[@wollywolly2734]

@@DJDooxx I did not tune the Magnetti Marelli fuel system I did stop adding octain boost and I stuck to the same fuel pump at the gas station. Dropping the octain boost was a huge improvement.

[@twitterjackedmitchell8096]

Tried the 509g in a SE 95?

[@wollywolly2734]

@@twitterjackedmitchell8096 I have not but I want to cam up my other RoadKing 98CI Recommendations? It's kinda sluggo

[@wollywolly2734]

@@DJDooxx Also changing the fuel filter prior to the upgrade was huge improvement. I cut the filter open and the element paper was completely varnished over, hard as glass

[@OSOFLHP]

My tuner put in a tts 100, d&d, and big sucker, dyno tuned with tts master tune.

[@whitecapmadness7181]

I did the S$S 509 hydraulic on my 03 Heritage EFI. Vance and Hines Big Shots with quiet baffles and tuner, with Arlen Ness big sucker. I can’t believe how much harder it pulls now. No valve train noise at all. It’s worth every penny. Maybe a 95 kit someday…….. but not really needed ?

[@flsgeertf]

Have you already installed a 95 kit in combo with the 509?

[@whitecapmadness7181]

@@flsgeertf it was going to be "next" But the 509s opened it up so much I'm still waiting. Might do a complete S&S 97" with S&S 89 heads. Keep the compression around 9.7 so getting premium fuel in the tank at blender pumps is never an issue compared to 10:1 or higher.....?

[@Sam590ss]

I like that Wood tw6 a lot. Pretty impressive.

[@GixxerFoo]

It's a very stout performer in the 88, 88's make some awesome torque!

[@yonatanimmanuel2316]

@@GixxerFoo I wonder how would the TW-6 fare with a s&s sidewinder 100” kit,a 103 intake, and a set of s&s 89cc heads,and 2 into 1 exhaust?

[@Chris-gi9ch]

​@@GixxerFooHope this isn't too dumb? With the tw6 dropped in stock, is there a chance of spring binding when getting carried away with the revs?

[@jplav2952]

Just Recieved 525 conversion kit for my 88 fueling

[@megan6228]

I have watched all ur videos on the 88 (that's the motor I have in my 06 heritage) and to be honest man it really seems like you should just pass the 88 up and go for the 96 or 103 (if that new of a bike is in you're budget) if you are looking for power. I bought the bike i have because I always wanted a heritage and the price was right. I honestly wish I would have saved a little more money and got a newer bike with at least a 96 in it. Just one man's opinion. Ur videos are amazing and I watch them all the time!!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, l appreciate it! The 88 really isn't all that bad, they all have their quirks. The 03 to 06 models do really well, very reliable engines.

[@williebutler9576]

Got the 5255 fueling

[@thebrain7065]

Seems like the "Wood TW6" would be nice. I got a 06 Deuce with Stage one. Figure give them a try. Bike is practically new with 11k on the clock..bought it 4 years ago with only 237 miles for $7k. Such a nice well balanced comfortable bike..I just need to keep up with my bud that just got a Low Rider S...lol

[@GixxerFoo]

You got a steal on that bike! You find a deal like that you can't pass it up! A cam upgrade will wake that 88 up!

[@TexasEdition]

It would really be nice if you added links for thie things that you talk about

[@richardanderson4916]

Thanks for the education! I appreciate all the work that must have gine into this.

[@Silentroller93]

I’ll be doing wood tw6 cams for sure in my 2005 Electra glide efi 🤘🏻

[@jeffwalker1322]

Just ordered the gear drive 509’s. I checked the runout and I am good to go.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome to hear! The 509's are an excellent cam for the 88!

[@cliffordthomas9623]

Tks for the info, im riding 06 ultra FI, need power for riding the mountains. Looks like the 509 will do it for me. Many thanks for sharing your info.

[@GixxerFoo]

509 is a strong cam, I really like the Wood cams for their all around power but they are pricey. S&S has those easy start cams which is a genius idea!

[@jesseknight5893]

I’ve got a 2001 fxst I picked up a few years ago with 15,000kms on it. After watching your videos I went ahead and bought the Feuling OE+ conversion cam plate package. I just booked in to get it installed along with the rocket 514c cams and screamin eagle adjustable push rods. Bike currently only has 42mm mikuni and vance and Hines big radius pipes… very little info on the 514’s availability in Australia can be tough and these cams were readily available… hoping I don’t regret my decision 😅

[@jesseknight5893]

Also I see you Americans often talking about poor fuel quality? We have 98 octane fuel available at basically every gas station across the country, our lowest grade fuel is 91 octane. I always run 98, can i expect a better performing bike running this fuel?

[@herman58100]

Good explanation of the cam operation and what works best for what your looking for.....

[@jeffwalker1322]

S&S 509 looks like the way to go.

[@GixxerFoo]

I really like the S&S products, the 509 has a very nice curve over it.

[@jimedward8908]

I have a '99 TC88 FLHR and this video was very relevant, thank you for making it!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thanks for watching! I hope it helped you get a good idea of what you can do with your 88!

[@cleanmike7312]

I appreciate this information a whole bunch! I got tons of Harley rider buddies but don’t know any who’ve upgraded their cam.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Most bikes are just cams, air cleaner and a tune, after that cam is probably the most common upgrade.

[@EARDRUMASSASSIN]

I’m shocked you didn’t talk about the Andrews tw37b cams. Usually compared closely to the S&s510

[@fitzymagee7469]

Thank you Mr Foo, questions have been answered! ! & one last thing , the old shelf had so much more character than the new 3 bracket monstrosity

[@marine052520031]

Love the 525..! Great vid. Really learned today

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad to hear it! It's all about the power curve and matching it to where to you ride.

[@jimfischione2743]

Good video. I've owned a carbureted 88 and now own a fuel injected one so I've been looking for an upgrade without breaking the bank. Thanks for the information. ( I am worried about that shelf behind you, though!) 😂

[@frnktdmn1937]

I get it GFOO"personally interested" in these selections for TC88. I wish I had this great comparative video months ago as I was trying to select cams for my 06 RK. After perusing the forum posts opinions I went with Andrews TW21s. I'd like to have had a comparative curve for this app. But, no complaints, I'm happy with the (surprising) seat of pants results with these TW21s, V&H 2-1 Pro Pipe, V&H Fuelpak and Arlen Ness big sucker.

[@GixxerFoo]

Sounds like you have a hell of a setup on your bike, that seat of the pants feel is what it's all about. We can look at graphs and numbers all day but it all comes down to how the bike feels when you hit it.

[@garychandler4296]

As I've said, with those cams, your mileage will suck because it's such a dang BLAST to ride! But mine is carved; you probably do better. Heck, didn't become a biker in my youth to save gas anyway!

[@GixxerFoo]

😆😂 that's where the mileage, it's not the cams but the wrist.

[@crazyhawk99]

I like the sound of the S&S 509 and the Wood can for my FI 88.

[@19deltadog43]

Thanks for making this video, it really helped me with my cam questions and what I want to do.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! I'm very happy to hear we could help get you going in the right direction!

[@mattsinclair1244]

@gixxerfoo just an update. I went with the woods tw6 as you recommended. I went with a screaming eagle 95ci big bore kit and zero headwork and my deuce dynoed at just under 91hp and 100.3 tq. Couldn’t be happier with this build thank you so much for the cam recommendation. Btw the cam sounds very mean

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! That's some serious power without headwork! If you decide to do some head work there's even more to be had! Thank you for the update, I appreciate it!

[@mattsinclair1244]

@@GixxerFoo I inquired about headwork to the dyno guy and he said that headwork probably wouldn’t get me much more because my cam is a bolt in cam. If I did headwork would I have to change cams?

[@GixxerFoo]

Ehhhh shouldn't have to, the Wood cam is pretty stout. If you did do some head work with valve springs and go with an even more aggressive cam you would get quite a bit more. But you wouldn't have to change the cam, a port and polish on the heads would give it more with that TW6.

[@mattsinclair1244]

@@GixxerFoo thank you that will be next!

[@martinwall7297]

02 fule inj. RK. 88ci. At 2500mil I had an HD stage2 kit installed, wt. The 95ci.,203cams at the dealer, wt. their download tune. What a slug, my shovel had more balls. At 35,000mils, I put in fuelings 525 reaper kit, cams, lifters, cam plate, oil pump, etc: with a 2-1 exhaust. & a Daytona TT. tuner that I downloaded myself. don't know about numbers but it does pull from idle to 5500rpm wt. no flat spots or hesitation.

[@lancasterjim2441]

SE 203 cams don’t hold a candle to the SE 204 set up with 9.8:1 compression. This combo gives 203 low end torque but has more horsepower. Add the 1.7 SE rockers for more lift with 06 and up heads makes a killer combo

[@enricomandragona163]

Good suggestions! I have 203's in my RoadKing. My next upgrade is factory ported heads maybe a 95" big bore

[@pcontiman]

you are straight up tech master!

[@GixxerFoo]

Lol thanks, but I am far from master. I like to find the best products to help everyone get the most from their bikes and get it done inexpensively.

[@davevartanian9195]

Kick ass video man been researching cams for months really like the 509 cam or Andrews 21 cam as well thanks again

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, l appreciate your support on the channel! Both are really strong cams, either way it will feel like a whole new bike!

[@davevartanian9195]

@@GixxerFoo 👍🏼

[@horsepowerstephen1]

I bought my 2000 FXDX Super Glide Sport with a lot already done. Has Screaming Eagle stage II big bore 95" with stock heads ported and polished, Andrews TW37B cams. I swapped out the long Screaming Eagle Chrome 2-2 exhaust to Bassani RR3 2-1. I think the thing pulls pretty good. Would like to get dynoed sometime but not sure if I'll ever take the time. Looks like the specs for Andrews TW37B are pretty close to the TW-6 cams but you can get the Andrews for $255 vs Wood at $390.

[@GixxerFoo]

You've got a nice bit of work done to your bike! I'd imagine it runs pretty dang strong! I'm not sure about the price difference, Andrews makes the cams for Wood, just to Wood spec. You can't go wrong with Andrews though.

[@horsepowerstephen1]

Yes, pretty happy about performance but will probably open her up this winter to check tensioners, I have no idea if they have been upgraded yet or not, bike has only 10k miles on it but with it being 20 years old I still want to play it safe.

[@GixxerFoo]

It never hurts to pull the cover and take a peak, at least at the outers. Getting a view of the winners can be a trick. But always better to play it safe and prevent a disaster.

[@kennethwise7108]

My buddy went gear to gear and installed a pair of 585 cams with new valve springs. I installed an HSR 42 on it and that thing is just downright NASTY!! Easily north of 80hp to the back tire.

[@floydmitchell3344]

Nice, excelent content, very helpful, I look at the catalogs and it all starts to run together.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I really appreciate the support! The catalogs really get muddy and don't offer a great explanation of what everything is and really does. Worst thing you can do is just pick something and then not be happy with it.

[@bryanweller8375]

@GixxerFoo My stock 88 has .004 runout on crank, new tensioners on stock plate, upgraded oil pump, and inner cam bearings done. Added cobra dual exhaust and slip ons, k&n air cleaner, and power vision tuner. Will my crank tolerate cams and which would you recommend with my current setup? I’m more interested in torque than top end. Thanks in advance and I really appreciate the solid content.

[@GixxerFoo]

You can add some cams to that, the runout really play a big part in if you want to run an aftermarket cam plate or go with a gear drive setup. But you can add aftermarket cams with your stock cam plate or go with Feuling OE aftermarket cam plate which is designed for the higher run out with the factory cranks.

[@antoniousthegreat3141]

Question now I have the unicorn 06 dyna efi most cams say except 06 what would you think for cams? Thanks

[@dad22153]

Great Video. My riding is usually on back roads, two up. And occasionally on the highway. So, 1500 - 5000 is my range. I am leaning towards the S&S 509, but would like to compare it to the 510. If you could do a comparison between the two, that would be great. Thanks!

[@michaelhavlicek3233]

Thanks for the great Video from Germany. Michael

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching and supporting!

[@whitemountaincannabisco.400]

I was waiting to hear about aAndrews, assuming they make one for the 88. I know when i had a sportster, they were recommended by Hammer performance.

[@johnriley8314]

Love the 88 TWIN CAM info man.... And THE RPM RANGE is just WAY UNTALKED ABOUT amongst riders,owners,etc.... MORE LOWER RANGE,NOT ABOVE 5,500 RPM's.... Is What your TRUELY gonna have your "Feel" with !!!! Alot of guys just ain't going to wind or twist em back like that ,for longer periods of time especially !!! Motors are basically COMMON SENSE... MORE FUEL...MORE AIR =MORE HP & TORQUE.....BUT....with that being said....YA MUST KNOW THAT IT BOILS DOWN TO HAVING IT ALL...ALL...WORK IN BEAUTIFUL HARMONY TOGETHER !!!!! If ya do 1 thing, ya most likely gonna need to do atleast 1 more,if not 2-3,other things....to "BRING IT ALL TOGETHER".....ENJOY YOUR $$$ SPENT AND POWER GAINS ALL....TWIST THAT THROTTLE ON BACK....FEEL THE WIND... ENJOY THE RIDE !!!!✌️✌️🤜🤛

[@GixxerFoo]

You are right we don't talk about RPM range as much as we should on Harleys.

[@jonellingson3905]

whats yer opinion on s&S Sidewinder 100" with the 203 cams

[@GixxerFoo]

The SE 203 cams make good torque, but they leave a lot of power on the table. A 100 inch kit with compression and a good aftermarket cam will make some big power, the 100 inch kit is expensive though. I personally like doing a bore out to a 97 or 98 with some added compression and a good cam. It saves some money over the kit and makes just as much if not more power, but the kit is way more convenient.

[@justin.s9783]

why is it that certain say twin cam 88 parts won't work on a dyna? whats the difference ? i have seen a lot of various parts that work on a lot of models but dynas . i find it really weird / bad development on Harley. i don't have a Harley but i like cams/ upgrades that produce a flat torque curve. good vid

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! For whatever reason the 06 Dynas got hydraulic tensioners and for example the S&S 509 works on all 88's except for the 06. That leads me to believe the 06 may of had different valve springs, I'll have to double check the part numbers.

[@PaulG75]

I would love to see a video specifically for the 06 Dyna. It seems like everything is different for it and I’ve been racking my brain trying to figure out what upgrades to do and in what order l should do them. Thanks again for all of the great videos.

[@carlogamilla1128]

I want get a SnS 124 big bore kit for my 88 do you think that a good idea? Thank you

[@tenwalls2428]

What if a TC88 is upgraded with the Fuel Moto 98 Cu.In." Extreme Duty Cylinder / Piston Kit? What cam would you recommend with that kit? And, would it require new valve springs? Which ones? Of course, the Feuling OEX Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Conversion Kit, or similar, would be a given with that bigger bore kit. Just getting all this info together here. Thanks. Really liking these TC88 videos! Not into high speed, or racing, just respectable power when needed and dependable, solid reliability.

[@matt8863]

Very informative video...But people forget the limiting factor of the Twin Cam 88 "pressed together" crankshaft assembly. It's a game of Russian roulette adding any significant power upgrade to a TC88. Fix or replace the crankshaft first.

[@GixxerFoo]

If you have one 2002 or earlier in you're in really good shape with the Timken bottom end. 2003 and newer is when they got that great idea to save production costs and start pressing crap together. Hurts my head.

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah Harley screwed everyone after 2003. But if you can convert that bottom end to a Timken setup.

[@daletheroofer7403]

I did Andrews gear driven cams (36G) with 30 tooth trans pulley. 86HP/90TQ

[@GixxerFoo]

Damn those are excellent numbers out of a 88, that trans pulley really helps you feel it too!

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I'm running S&S 509 cams in my 2003 Dyna along with a TBR comp s pipe and SE heavy breather cone intake. It seems to make a little more power but I'm also running a baffle in the muffler because the exhaust was way too loud when I got it.

[@larrydever5166]

What cv jet sizes did you run with

[@jamessouthworth1699]

@@larrydever5166 I have to go look but I thought I used a 46 and 195. The 46 was from CV performance and I also used their new needle for the slide.

[@DougSadler-c9i]

Is it necessary to switch to the hydraulic tensioner when only upgrading the cam?

[@jeremymacklem2510]

I've been waiting for this!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

I hope it helped you out!

[@dannymccullagh8211]

Thanks for tips I put the woods rw6 8n my 01 softail and got 85hp and 90 to also on my 12 dyna 103 I used the ss 577 with cobra 2 into 2 got 96hp and 115tq I really like the woods cam it also had the vh Longshot. Tks so much

[@GixxerFoo]

No problem 👍 Those wood cams are pretty damn impressive for bolt ins!

[@barttrachin1737]

Great videos. I love your opinions on each motor, good or bad, to separately. I'm looking at an 2004 EFI 88 twin cam Heritage Classic with a Frankenstein trike kit. It has the Stage 1 with V&H shorty pipes. I'm was thinking of adding S&S 509 cams. I was impressed with the increase in torque over stock. Is there a better cam used for an 88 trike? With the Frankenstein kit I would think its weights about the same as an UG

[@bigdbigd2353]

Thanks for your channel...you do a great job...i have learned a lot from you

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I really appreciate! That's great to hear!

[@jamesguidry3995]

Try a dyno sheet using a Screaming Eagle # 204 cams !!

[@greghudson1489]

Shortly after getting my '01 Road King new, I had the 95" kit and SE-204 cams installed. Been pleased with it ever since... At about 48K miles I had the hydraulic cam chain tensioner/improved oil pump installed, as well as compression releases. Running well at 54K miles.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's an excellent upgrade on that bike, that high volume oil pump and the new tensioner is gonna give you years of service!

[@enricomandragona163]

Good choices

[@alexdirtysanchez820]

The cost point is not really that bad between all of these cams. But S&S does offer a rrally nice cam kit may be a bit more but it looks to be worth it.

[@GixxerFoo]

S&S has some nice packages if you want to do a little extra than just adding a cam and new bearings.

[@ncforster]

Thanks for this video I fitted an s&s 509 on my 05 road king 80.04 bop 100ftlbs transformed to bike it is such fun to ride

[@GixxerFoo]

That big torque has got to be a blast to ride! Those 88's make awesome torque right in the sweet spot.

[@FXDXT-13]

Didnt the 06 88 have the revised heads which had ovule beehive springs which could handle a higher lift?