Twin Cam Crate Engines, Fast and Easy Harley-Davidson Power

[@GixxerFoo]

Would you go with one of these crate engines or just rebuild your existing engine, which crate engine would you choose?

[@UsetoCud]

I don’t think you can build one for the price of the Ultimate or FuelMoto. Or any S&S with the level they have in parts.

[@kennethanderson1685]

S and S

[@GixxerFoo]

@@UsetoCud That's a excellent point, buying all that stuff separate and even doing it yourself is going to add up quick. I know I can't build a V8 Chevy for less than the cost of a crate motor with comparable components.

[@GixxerFoo]

@@kennethanderson1685 That's probably the best option with their reputation. The Ultima engine has a nice price and good components but they were not known for reliability back in the day.

[@kennethstanton9532]

Thank you I been waiting for this video I ask for a few week ago. You a good man coming thru for me.

[@UsetoCud]

Oh my goodness That NEW shelf looks so STURDY! 3 Braces! Lol

[@GixxerFoo]

It's a huuuge improvement, lol this one shouldn't fall.

[@johnduheaume6650]

Another vote for the new shelf! I can relax and enjoy the Gixxerfoo talk without fear of an avalanche!

[@JuanGarcia-mz9wy]

Kind of missed the old shelf. Lol

[@petergobbo4414]

@@GixxerFoo We can now concentrate on what you are saying, without being concerned that the shelf come crashing down around you. By the way great information video. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

[@mechcavandy986]

I noticed that. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@Oddman1980]

He fixed the shelf, I can watch this video without anxiety now.

[@GixxerFoo]

Right?! I can work under it now without fear too!

[@Oddman1980]

@@GixxerFoo I really enjoy your videos, even if you don't mention the weird harley that I have. I've learned a lot about TC's in particular!

[@_416_]

Looool

[@patricksutter5201]

I’m just here to see how many shelf comments there are! Great content as always, appreciate the insight.

[@GixxerFoo]

You and me both! Finally got it done after all the comments about it 😄. Thank you for checking out the videos, I appreciate you watching!

[@RFWieder]

At 120,000 miles the oil filter mount on my '04 Heritage broke off. The best option seemed to be the Long Block. I got the 95" with a 203 cam. They made phone calls and I had my bike back in 10 days!!! I got the low end torque and wide power band I wanted. Plus I still had all the things I had done to my bike over the years to make it mine!! And that was not a minor saving!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

10 day turn around?! Holy crap that's awesome and unheard of, that's really cool that they were able to get your turned around so fast and back with your upgrades. I am impressed you were able to get 120,000 out of it, I bet you kept up on the maintenance!

[@RFWieder]

@@GixxerFoo Definitely kept up on the maintenance and only used full synthetic oil in all three holes!! With a Harley it's real easy to be penny wise and dollar foolish!!! And I'm lucky to have a dealership that treats each customer like they're the only customer!!!

[@dennishowell6494]

That's a nice shelf behind you with nice products on it

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I've used a lot of different products over the years, you could probably tell I like Amsoil just a little

[@chopperman8042]

That shelf is looking tough.

[@GixxerFoo]

I think this one is gonna make it a lot longer than the old one.

[@jimmccoskey8253]

Glad to see you've fixed that shelf. Now I can appreciate your excellent videos without all the shelf anxiety...thanks again for the great vids!

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I really appreciate that! My wife is a really good carpenter, I butcher wood lol.

[@bald1der]

Blew my 103 stage 4 motor in my street glide. replaced with the S&S 124 LC 131 hp 151 TQ. Very happy with the motor. Pass everything but the gas station 😂😂

[@GixxerFoo]

Nice! I bet that bike rips now! A motor like that it's hard to stay out of the throttle. Sadly I've heard more than one story about stage 4 screamin eagle kitted engines going south.

[@matt8863]

Here for the shelf...Staying til the END for the fantastic content.

[@GixxerFoo]

😄😂👍 I didn't know if anyone was gonna watch the channel if we replaced the shelf.

[@readtheinstructions1407]

I'll have to shelf the thought of a new crate motor.

[@GixxerFoo]

They are really convenient and the price reflects it too, even used motors can cost as much as a complete used bike.

[@readtheinstructions1407]

@@GixxerFoo If my motor ever does crap out, that will be the way I would go over buying a new bike. This video had some good info....Thanks!

[@bonnevillebagger9147]

I see what you did there.

[@mikespencer9913]

I’ve got a 2011 FLSTN with just over 30K miles, that already needs 93 octane! With the future of Harley being water cooled, I want a long-term “solution” that will outlast me! Thanks, GixxerFoo, for some really attractive options!

[@michaelmitchell5909]

Great info man...I just had my 2003 cvo road king motor rebuilt by a reputable shop in my area in Pa. He used kb forged pistons, andrews 57h cams, heads and cylinders were worked as well as the valves redone. Has a bassani 3 into 1 pipe, and the comp is 10.8-1. The bike hauls the mail!. I was blown away by the power increase. It's at a dyno shop now getting tuned...

[@GixxerFoo]

That is awesome! You get it back from the tuner those guys are magicians, it's amazing the kinda power they get out of a motor getting it tuned properly. Man sounds like you had one of hell of a job done on that bike! Those SE heads are known to be a little restrictive on that year 103, just a port job does wonders let alone everything else done!

[@DiscoLew90]

Man, I’m so glad you fixed that shelf lol

[@GixxerFoo]

I can't take the credit for the shelf, my wife is the carpenter in the house and she built that for me. Installed it too, lol I stay in my lane and turn wrenches. I am the butcher when it comes to wood work lol.

[@ejgrace420]

I definitely go with a brand new crate if my screaming eagle 110 ever goes. I'd probably go with the FM or s&s. Always great info. Watching from Upstate Ny

[@GixxerFoo]

That 110 is a solid engine, the FuelMoto is basically an S&S plus they have excellent service and support even after the sale. I've never found a company other than Hammer Performance that really shows an interest in your success like FuelMoto.

[@leonardstanford1877]

@@GixxerFoo you should check out the street engines that George Brice & George Smith are putting together they are Brice from star racing & Smith from S & S they build the NHRA prostock motors that were run in the Buells ! They are kicking out 178 hp street motors & are responsible for a few 400 hp V - Twins ! G squared racing !

[@joncoffey4821]

You definitely give me a great information to chew on when time comes for a rebuild or crate it. Appreciate the research and time spent gathering the information. Greetings from Durant, OK

[@SidecarRob1]

Glad to see you fixed the shelf behind you

[@GixxerFoo]

My wife built that, she does the wood work and I turn the wrenches. Lol glad it's down now!

[@bobhoffman5581]

Update on MY plans for my 2005 FLHRS; an S&S 111 inch mill. My Screaming Eagle clutch (brand new) will handle its power adequately, and before springing for a billet (bulletproof) clutch basket, I'll look into parts offered that strengthen my factory basket... lol

[@GixxerFoo]

That's really thinking ahead! Those factory clutch baskets have been known to break under heavy stress. I haven't seen a street bike do it but I've seen it at the strip.

[@scottarmstrong1172]

Great video as always. Since I'm riding a 2000 FXSTB, these engines are all more money than my bike is worth. My choices would be either rebuild the existing engine or junk the bike. If I needed a bike quickly I would buy another used bike and rebuild the Night Train when I had the time. That is a nice shelf!

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the issue with crate engines is they are really a matter of convenience and that's not cheap. Even used engines they want as much as what you could buy another bike for, you can upgrade and rebuild cheaper than a crate. Now if you had complete failure and the engine is now trash, but you have a lot into a bike I could see a crate engine being a option.

[@scottarmstrong1172]

@@GixxerFoo Agreed. Like most of us I've dumped a lot of money into quite a few bikes over the years, never to see it again. I decided when I bought this bike to keep things on a budget. Nice thing about a Night Train is that you don't have to buy a lot of chrome. As an older rider I just don't feel the need to be the fastest or flashiest bike out there anymore. Always great info on your videos.

[@Americas450R]

Great video!! Just the info I was looking for👍 gonna have to look into that ultima 113 now or Fuel 124😃

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad I could help! Buying a crate motor is can save you some money over having one built by a shop and buying all the components.

[@genekelley7579]

🛑🛑 The S&S Motors look like “Real Studs”😀👍 Great Video...as always💯

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I like those S&S engines, just not the price lol.

[@paulburris6136]

I did the long block on my bike and it was the best thing for my bike.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! Supposedly you get a new and not a reman engine. Cases may be reused but they are gone through on the factory level and if it isn't right it hits the scrap bin.

[@paulburris6136]

@@GixxerFoo they had to transfer the Vin number from my cases to the new engine cases and then build the engine on up.

[@RFWieder]

I did the same on my '04, went up to 95"!! 50,000 miles later I still love it!!

[@robertrodriguez2412]

Great video! I would go with the H-D reman program on my 96" & upgrade the cams all for reliability vs power. Crate engines are good to putter around town 🤣

[@GixxerFoo]

😄 yeah these crate engines they would smoke a tire off through town, no problem. Best part apart about the long block program is you get a fresh twin cam motor. Harley did the same program with the EVO but that ended back in 2014.

[@superfly223]

good to see the shelf replaced

[@GixxerFoo]

My wife is a pretty good carpenter, I just turn the wrenches and stay out of her way lol.

[@randyjones4794]

Liked video just purchased a S&S 124 LC hope it goes well 2016 SG thx

[@GixxerFoo]

Those motors make some power! It's hard to beat S&S, they have an excellent warranty too!

[@chopperchopster]

I see you FINALLY replaced that shelf behind you!!!

[@jamessouthworth1699]

It would be nice if SMS had one more option. A value engine that doesn't necessarily have performance upgrades but has all the reliability upgrades. They can leave off The Rocker covers and cam cover as well.

[@GixxerFoo]

It would be nice if S&S had something like that, I think it would do really well. That's basically what Harley's long block program does, they upgrade the components that cause issues. You don't get a gear drive but you get a Screamin Eagle cam plate with high volume oil pump and hydraulic tensioners.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

@@GixxerFoo I like that the Harley Long block program adds the Timken bearing but I doubt they fix the crank. Another Timken helps prevent the crank from scissoring but I would rather trust an S&S crank over the stock one even with the Timken. It basically stock twin cam engine from S&S with their better crank, Timken crank bearings, and Gear Drive cams would be the ultimate stock engine replacement for longevity.

[@caruser4]

Finally I can pay attention to the video instead of watching for that shelf to fail

[@GixxerFoo]

Right?! That old OSB wasn't having much more of it.

[@scrumthebum2451]

150 hp 1250 cc revolution max looking good. Can you imagine what S&S & zippers is going to do with that ? Now I’ve been riding 50 years & 40 on a Harley but I’m considering the new bike. Oh & its 13:1 & runs on 89 octane

[@GixxerFoo]

That new bike has peaked my interest too! Check out Harley's web site and look up the Screamin Eagle Exhaust for the Pan America. It has a couple sound clips and it sounds mean! It's all there!

[@OZARKSHDRIDERS]

I think I would probably just go with the S&S 124 , I know it's more money, but that's the route I would take, good stuff brother 👊🏼😎

[@GixxerFoo]

You find the 124 for the same price as the 111 depending on the finish. But yeah I think 124 is the way to go, pretty good jump in power!

[@parkeslife4323]

Same. How are the clearance issues durning install though? I know a few people jumped into 120R Harley crate engines and said it was a shoehorn job to get it in the frame. Wonder if the S&S 124 is the same.

[@Dachamp2001]

​@@GixxerFooMy buddy did that. But you have to upgrade the trans. The stock trans won't take that type of power

[@algentry1]

You fixed the shelf !!

[@GixxerFoo]

Lol finally, kinda took the suspense out though if it would fall or not.

[@martinwall7297]

great comparison, and advice. especially concerning the vin #. tks.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Just make sure you keep a paper trail, it's not like it used to be years ago. Nothing easy ans simple like it was then.

[@foresthopster8696]

Glad to see you did something about that sagging shelf back there. Im in the process of doa twin cam conversion on an 89 fxrs I'm dropping a 120R in it. I sent the lower end to revolution performance and they did Timken conversion and re blue printed and balanced pinned welded crank so it should be good.

[@GixxerFoo]

Your not going to have any issues with that crank what so ever now! Now a that conversion in a FXR is not something you see every day. That should handle really well in that FXR chassis and it will take the added power of the 120.

[@Stonedglide89124r]

Just curious , why if you sent the bottom end out and spent that extra money upfront why not go with the 124?

[@foresthopster8696]

@@Stonedglide89124r I already had the 120R sitting here. I did the whole rebuild for about 2700. The engine was fine I just didn't trust the lower end because of everything I've read and heard. Bored the jugs out 15 over with new pistons. I still want a 124 just not in my price range at the moment

[@GixxerFoo]

Changing that crank basically bullet proofed that engine. Not a lot of people tear down a new crate motor and make a change like that.

[@Stonedglide89124r]

@@foresthopster8696 right on, was just wondering. Hope she holds strong for you. Hoping to have mine home next weekend.

[@terrywilliam8056]

I love your videos man! Great info all the time

[@GixxerFoo]

I appreciate that! I love getting the word out there about Harley and the options available to us on the market.

[@robertsaunders1555]

would you please do a sportster crate motor that would be awesome luv yur vids bro

[@lonarbuckle9788]

s and a 111t square engine,,,,,damned good engine,,,,no complaints pulling a camper trailer / rk,,

[@GixxerFoo]

That's awesome! These high power motors aren't just for hot rodding, like you pull a trailer that engine is perfect for that.

[@normangraber1047]

The early Ultima engines had an issue with a tapered bore in the cylinders, worked for a shop in Tucson late 90's early 00's. That doesn't seem to be an issue these days. If I were to buy an Ultima motor I'd pull the top end down and reassemble it myself. The only complaint I've heard in the past few years are head bolts not being torqued to spec, and that's about it. The Ultima engine with the Timken bearing is enough to convince me. Haven't heard of anyone check the pinion shaft runout on the Ultima but I'd bet it's better than H-D. S5S is not the same company that it was in the 60's all the way up until the early 00's. They're way over priced for what you get now.

[@brandot.7466]

thanks for the great info you rock!! good job on the self.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! That new shelf is a lot safer lol.

[@baura96]

I was so close to getting the s&s t111 a couple years ago but decided to rebuild mine myself. Half way threw I was regretting it and wishing I got the crate engine. But it would have been 2,000 dollars more

[@GixxerFoo]

Rebuilding can be a real pain, but it does save a lot of money over the crate engine. The crate engine is convenient, but if you were to try and build a engine to the exact specs of the 111 it would cost more. S&S parts are high in my opinion, you could likely build one close to the 111 specs sourcing parts from quality sources like dark horse and other quality performance manufactures and do it yourself cheaper.

[@baura96]

@@GixxerFoo One of the reasons I didn't go with the t111 is there weren't very many reviews on it. But if my 98 goes bad I'll probably save up for the t111.

[@alvinmay5928]

Thanks for fixing the shelf behind you! I enjoy your vid's

[@GixxerFoo]

Thanks for watching! I kept saying I would get it done eventually 😄😂

[@Pork-Chopper]

Hey! Just swap it out for a flux capacitor! And do Warp Speed...

[@GixxerFoo]

😄😂 not with me on a Harley...

[@samslade739]

Great info, thanks. If Harley is going to send the left case back to factory then why wouldn't they do a Timken bearing? Seems that allot of the crank failures I read about start right here.

[@craighuston2629]

I am now completely exhausted, having had to ingest all of this great info, while trying to ignore all of the hand and arm movements, lol.

[@GixxerFoo]

I get just a little excited about this stuff lol

[@alexdirtysanchez820]

Great video!!!! I want to do a engine swap but man they are pricey..lol

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah they are, but it's cheaper than buying all the components individually and then having then paying to have it built.

[@danthomas663]

Thanks for this information. I had never heard of the dealer “long block” option. I have a 2010 96b with 40000 miles and I am debating a rebuild or trade up to a M8. Not sure yet because the bike still is running strong.

[@GixxerFoo]

If you're happy with the bike and not 100% on a trade up don't do it! Freshening up and changing up the bike is cheaper than a new one. Lol l have traded up and had regrets in the past wishing l had my old ride back.

[@jimfischione2743]

I think Harley dropped the long block program. I might be wrong though.

[@kerrylewis2581]

This would be a hard decision for me because I want an engine built for my style of riding. I want roughly 100 to 130 plus foot-pounds of torque between 2,000 and 4,000 RPMs which is easy to obtain. A bulletproof lower end that runs cool and is built to last. Peak horsepower is really not a concern of mine because I keep my revs at or below 4,000 but I would like to have 100 HP at or before 4,000 RPMs. A blueprinted engine from Kevin Baxter which he calls SkunkWorks would be tops on my list and more expensive than an S&S or FM but I'll be wrenching myself and saving a few bucks. I'm guessing that day is three to four years away but will be here before you know it. The toughest decision is how do I put 1 0r 2 grand a year aside for the build.

[@GixxerFoo]

You just describe my ideal engine setup, I like that raw power down in the low and mid. Short burst stop light to stop light, no sense in ringing the guts out of a Harley to get into your big power above 5K rpm.

[@steverussell6642]

No one needs that much power🙂 we just want it

[@jimweagant8920]

Another great video thanks for sharing 👍🇺🇸

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I appreciate you checking it out!

[@blazintrails3023]

GixxerFoo, awesome video's brother! I've got a very well taken care of 07 street glide with the 96 with 48k miles and just curious of the avg of my engine's life expectancy? Some guys have said they easily go 150k but I'm afraid to do any upgrades or anything because I've heard others say 40k is high mileage?? I don't quite believe that though bc I have seen these things with crazy high mileage but then again I don't know if those guy's ever replaced the engine's or not. Any help would be appreciated just ball park avg

[@GixxerFoo]

To me on a well taken care of Harley with 48K is nothing and up to 150K is correct for life expectancy on a well cared for engine. I would recommend inspecting and replacing your cam chain tensioners if needed at 48K though. A well cared for bike can run 100k easy barring any mechanical failure which is hard to predict and is possible with any machine. A lot of bikes that fail were due to abuse, poor maintenance etc. But if your bike had any factory defects it likely would of let go well before 48K.

[@blazintrails3023]

@@GixxerFoo Awesome, thanks man I appreciate it!

[@michaelmorgan5714]

How in the world do you remember all those statistics? I'm impressed. Mike from Maryland

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I worked parts, sales, and service for many years. Just grew up in shops since I was a kid, reading specs and remembering it was part of my job for a long time. I never like to leave a customer and go look something up, but I wouldn't rattle off the wrong information. I'd just excuse myself to double check real quick and make sure I got them the correct information.

[@kct9967]

Back in the day we would order aftermarket engines disassembled something necessary for "Ultima" engines, not sure about their QC now a days.

[@GixxerFoo]

I still believe you can do that, you can get a engine package that allows you to put your engine together with a few choice components like cams.

[@alanquintus2069]

The shelf is looking sturdy. Are there any other HD engines that share the same pushrod angle as the Evo?

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! The Shovel Head is pretty close, basically the same bottom end as the Evo.

[@rooster68able]

Ultima quality is pretty damn good , like 98% of the time if had to gamble strong motor

[@UsetoCud]

It would be cheaper possibly to rebuild your engine with the same specs as before. But building it to the quality of the ones you compared it to would probably cost more then you could build it for. I’ve got over five grand in my engine and I don’t have the big numbers that the Fuel Moto has or the bigger S&S and mine is an M8. You still can sell your old engine and make swap even less expensive

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah going back closer to stock with maybe a nice cam set and cam chest upgrade is gonna be a lot cheaper than these motors. Maybe even a big bore kit would be possible with the money saved.

[@heraldlee8112]

The 143 monster engine would that be good for long rides?

[@donwaltman4276]

Great video Gixx, what's involved with installing a lefty bearing? Do you have to split the case? If you have to go that far, why not go timken?

[@chopperchopster]

I will keep my Dynas engine in order to have a matching numbers machine in the far off future when its actually worth something.

[@mrvoyagerm]

Why can't the Motor Company build their motors with the welded perfect cranks, geared cams, high output oil pumps, more bearings in the bearings etc. etc. etc. It's not like we aren't already paying enough!

[@GixxerFoo]

What happened on the cranks is when they did away with the timken bottom end and started pressing a roller bearing in left crank case half, they went to robotics pressing cranks at 40,000 psi and it increased production and cut Harley's costs. Of course that wasn't passed down to us as buyers.

[@janajohnson8294]

I just put a new harley crate motor in a 2010 cvo ultra, did harley make any improvements over the 2010 engines.

[@GixxerFoo]

With the long block program and on the later bikes they hadn't changed anything internally on the twin cam motors. The did start using the SE compensator as OEM around 2010 with the failures they had in years past.

[@moonlightsoldier8443]

That s&s 113 was producing the same as my 103

[@richardfinney3179]

I would go with a Ultima motor before I would go with anything from Harley or sns ,I've got 2 Ultima 127 motors for 17 years now no problems don't abuse them they last any motor will go tits up if you abuse it nothing lasts forever

[@bradwilliams4921]

I hope my TC 88B runs clean forever.

[@GixxerFoo]

There's a lot of people that rag on the 88, but it's a high torque motor and it come on early. Just upgrade that cam chest to hydraulic tensioner or keep a very close eye on the spring tensioner shoes.

[@nathanmortenson914]

Just saw a great video the guy had cut cylinders from different brands to show the sleeves and wall thickness. He didn't say the brand I'm assuming it was S&S was the only on that was centered in the cylinder casting. I've been looking for anything or anyone proving Ultima on the race track with no luck. All the boxes seems to be checked ,but is just eye candy from the chopper era?

[@nathanmortenson914]

I can't tell which ones are which but I guessing that last one an S&S kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3qmkJSoot9msLssi=QJPo6X6gqnXkT-eR

[@patriotichunter6434]

Great video. Great info

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad it was helpful! They've got a heck of a good price on that Ultima, Ultima makes a damn good engine! There's a lot of Ebay sellers with them for less than 5K.

[@VinylBeats1029]

Can you make a video on how to tune/repair a carb? I just bought a fxr and I've only ridden efi bikes.

[@GixxerFoo]

I can look into a carb video, it's honestly been a long time since I've worked on a carb. Carbs can be pretty frustrating sometimes even though they are supposed to be simpler than fuel injection.

[@dejonsmall9886]

If you have a CV carb, Google Joe Minton, you can't go wrong. S&S or Mukuni just visit their web page or join Harley Tech Talk, there's a host of information there...

[@mountaindew8042]

Talking s&s. S&s motor with 10.2.1 pistons w6 590 cam e carb. Should u run a high oct.... then a 93 oct...?

[@GixxerFoo]

I would run 93 with that higher compression, 91 at a minimum!

[@CarlosGarcia-ls4hn]

I have a 2000 HD carbureted Screaming Eagle B motor which is now a 113 ci. If I wanted to go the LongBlock way, and go with a 95 ci, would that be possible? My pynion shaft is shot and I would like to keep the same serial numbers. Also, would the BlongBlock come with a new cranshaft and new pistons?

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley is still doing the twin cams, they reuse your left crank case half which retains the vin. You get everything new except cams and the engine covers. You get a new crankshaft, pistons, cylinders bearings lifters etc, you just want to put your own cams in.

[@tarmak968]

Love the information! hope I will never need it!

[@GixxerFoo]

It's good to know in the event you do need it, make sit a lot less stressful not having to chase down info when there's an issue.

[@harleyhawk7959]

will let you know what it cost for my 88.t.c. that I had a big bore kit and ported heads I did when new.

[@GixxerFoo]

What are you looking to do with it, a crate engine or a Harley long block?

[@harleyhawk7959]

@@GixxerFoo having it bored and stroked S&S geared cams S&S balanced crank.

[@jeffreyengle2762]

The last three years has taught me simply this, I would keep everything except for the engine transmission and drivetrain on my new M8….. The transmission, would be Baker. The engine would be S&S…..

[@GixxerFoo]

Baker Grudge Box, Baker says you can't kill it and if you do we will give you another one and we want it back to take it apart and see what happened.

[@danielgaskell5490]

Thanks for the great info!

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vtwinpower1903]

For a CANADIAN BUYER, on the" DRAGON T 143" engine is more like $20.000 for us , I just bought one. Good luck AMERICANS buying one for 10k!.. N THE DRAGON only has a 6mnth warranty too!... BUT SHES GOING TO B A MONSTER, 2mnths getting her ready n she's ready to fire up next wk.

[@GixxerFoo]

That 143 is absolutely insane, I am surprised it comes with a warranty.

[@brucesantacory1390]

Question: where do you get Warranty Service on an S&S motor ??

[@GixxerFoo]

Any authorized S&S dealer would be able to perform the work on behalf of S&S. In some cases they may request the engine to be shipped back to them. I have a friend that actually had a S&S engine fail completely, they replaced it no questions asked and covered his costs.

[@ReccebyDeath]

The shelf has been fixed!!! 😳

[@GixxerFoo]

😄😄 I know right?! I had people wondering if it was ever gonna get done since I been saying it for so long.

[@johnippolito2376]

I have a 2009 ultra classic with a 96ci, stage 1 air cleaner & 4" cobra neighbor hater slip ons. When i update my powervision will it give me a map thats close to what i have for my setup? I have a basic stage 1 upgrade on my bike

[@GixxerFoo]

When you update the cam l believe the Power Vision has a spot to input your cams specs. I know the FP3 has something similar. You would do that editing your current map and then auto tune it. That will get you running down the road, but if you want max power getting a dyno tune will get that power left on the table.

[@lifebetweenthelines8576]

how could i find out if a 2012 has the long block program done on it? the dealership is telling me its a new motor but i have reasons to not trust them and im already stuck with finishing the deal. before anyone tells me to not buy a bike from a dealership i dont trust... im already stuck in a bike but im getting a different bike after multiple repairs on the first bike they sold me 3 weeks ago.

[@CarlosGarcia-ls4hn]

Can you tell me what a "B" motor and an "A" motor are? Thx.

[@GixxerFoo]

The B motor has a internal counter balancer in the engine, this is only used on Softail twin cams since they are solid mounted to the frame. The A motor doesn't have an internal counter balancer, it is in the Dyna and Touring bikes with a rubber mounting system.

[@BillyBlaze7]

Gixxer you headed down to Ms next month?

[@GixxerFoo]

I wish I could make it down there! Things are starting to ramp back up at work since they are easing Covid restrictions now so I'm gonna be stuck with that unfortunately.

[@BillyBlaze7]

@@GixxerFoo i understand, hey at least thats more money, priorities n all lol catch ya next time

[@vtwinpower1903]

U will never buy a dragon T143 for 10k. Mine was 22k Canadian out the door then u need a baker tranny, evolution clutch n chain drive plus $3.500 to tune the engine. WHEN I GOT DONE IT WAS 40K CANADIAN DOLLARS BUT BOY WHAT A RUSH TO RIDE.🥳 plus we run nitrous on top!😎

[@arthurdavis6282]

You didn’t mention what you can get in hp on Harley-Davidson crate engine I know nothing about motors just would like to keep Harley-Davidson, Harley-Davidson.

[@GixxerFoo]

Getting a Harley long block is going to be stock horsepower, so roughly 65hp for the 88, 70ish for the 96 and a 103 will get you about 75hp. Now depending on what cams you went back with that's gonna be a lot more especially if you went with aftermarket cams. Aftermarket cams can get you close to or over 100hp on a 96 or 103.

[@jeremymacklem2510]

Day off and a video! yes!!!!

[@GixxerFoo]

It don't get no better than that! Hope you enjoy your day off!

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Shit my custom bike plan is gonna be annoying. Maybe see if I can get the frame maker and engine builder to add an extra set of numbers to use as a Vin for the title and the other numbers as serial numbers. Matching numbers home built lol.

[@dynaordie8083]

Thats a great video rt there..

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you kindly

[@61espo]

So what about the ECM? If I take my 88 in my 06 Deluxe and change it to a 103, do I have to upgrade the ECM that came stock in the bike in 06?

[@GixxerFoo]

Yes, you would need to have you're ECM flashed for the new engines requirements. Same thing if you did cams or a big bore kit, not a huge deal with a Power Vision on the Delphi EFI system.

[@61espo]

@@GixxerFoo Thanks bro!

[@mikeyd3md]

Um...Revtech, Jim’s, TP, R&R C’mon Fixer Goo. Keep going

[@GixxerFoo]

There's quite a bit out there but it's tough to find Twin Cam crate engines, EVO's are all over the place since Harley didn't have the best patents on the Evo engine. They learned from that and applied better patents on the Twin Cam. Jim's I know and I believe S&S paid Harley for proprietary rights to build Twin Cams. Now that Ultima has one, I am thinking maybe some patents on the Twin Cam have expired, I couldn't see Ultima paying for rights but they may have.

[@kerrylewis2581]

Spent the morning at R&R Cycles in Manchester, NH. Great place to do business with.

[@Carmichael5898]

Does S&S make a 103b motor?

[@GixxerFoo]

Now that you mention it it doesn't look like S&S makes a B motor with the balancers, just engines that fit the rubber mount chassis for touring and dyna.

[@Carmichael5898]

That sucks! So no crate engine for me. 😂

[@johnroethel5527]

Up here in Ontario Canada, if you're rebuilding it yourself with Quality parts its a coin toss. Buying a crate motor is the cheaper way to go. S&S 111 is 10k cdn.

[@GixxerFoo]

Even here in the States doing a high horsepower build like an S&S 111 can easily get you well over the cost of the crate engine. Then you don't have a warranty on the entire motor, just the individual parts. That can be a real hassle proving what part caused what and then you still gotta fix it. But with the S&S they are really good about making it right. I got a friend who has a S&S that completely blew up on him, no questions asked from S&S and they replaced it and covered his costs.

[@Stonedglide89124r]

We get hosed for anything up here when it comes to HD.

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley parts are expensive up there. Is there a import tax on imports from the US?

[@Stonedglide89124r]

@@GixxerFoo I think it’s THAT , and the dollar value, as an example I could get a thunderheader in Michigan for 1000$USD, that same exhaust shipped to my door was 2100$CAD, when if I would’ve just paid the conversion would’ve cost me 1260CAD.

[@GixxerFoo]

@@Stonedglide89124r Dang that's a lot of price difference! Almost easier to a shop on the border and pick it up there! I heard the border is closed right now with the virus deal.

[@davidfellows6250]

The thing is is you even a little mechanically inclined and can read you can rebuild any Harley engine in at the most a couple week ends. They haven't change significantly in 60 years. If you've ever built a Harley you can rebuild as soon as your machined parts come back. Two days .

[@GixxerFoo]

That is very true, the bottom end on a Pan is basically the same on a Shovel and Evo. Twin Cam is a bit more complicated, but the Harley service manual is very in depth. It literally tells you the exact tools and step by step how to do the job, it even has the torque spec for every nut and bolt.

[@davidfellows6250]

@@GixxerFoo I used to call myself the shovel guy. I've built some beautifull engines. I've got a twin cam now and dont see the need to build Harley engines any more. You can dump 20k in your bike and still be a super sluggish next to my kaw h2 r . My Harley does a different thing and does it well 70mph @ 2200 rpms all day and I feel good when I get there 10 hours latter. The 103 has enough power for that, you still need to fix Harley's f%^k ups ie help the engine breathe, oil pump,cam plate ect. But the days of building shot rod Harley doesn't mean anything anymore. When I was building shovels they were the fastest thing on the road but it wasn't long before Yamaha built the r1 . Untill Harley's technology catches up..... have two bikes one that goes fast and one that goes long.

[@fernandocamilli4232]

I would put in the fuelmoto

[@eknmg0901]

do u know the compression ratio on harley 95 long block crate motor

[@GixxerFoo]

Its going to basically be a Screamin Eagle Kit, so with flat top pistons and stock heads it would be around 9.25:1. That's assuming you'll be adding the Screamin Eagle 203 cams with the upgrade on your long block.

[@eknmg0901]

@@GixxerFoo thanks im trying to find the program map for my fuel pak and it only gives me 9.4:1 comp ratio on stock heads and 203 cams is that the same or close

[@GixxerFoo]

@@eknmg0901 That's pretty close, you might give Vance & Hines a call and talk to their tech support. They can actually adjust your map and send it to your Fuel Pak for you to flash. They can do some wild stuff with these Fuel Paks if you're connected to the internet. They've helped me out quite a bit on my bike when I had some tuning issues.

[@eknmg0901]

@@GixxerFoo great man thank you for the advice i will give them a call and ask them

[@GixxerFoo]

Not a problem, just let them know you're specs and they can adjust your map and send it back to you.

[@shanelefever7704]

Beware with labor cost 120 bucks an hour can sometimes equal to a 5500 motor real fast if not more

[@GixxerFoo]

Dealer rates are insane, they wanted retail for a tire at $250 bucks and then an hour of labor to change the tire. That's even if I brought I removed the wheel myself and carried it in.

[@rarebreed9208]

They should be available on a convenient tear off roll........

[@ryanhoughton1681]

You misspelled "repair" on your thumbnail!

[@GixxerFoo]

I'll be damned, I completely missed that... thank you for pointing that out. That's what I get for working late on stuff.

[@larryfromwisconsin9970]

What about Evo?

[@GixxerFoo]

Evo engines are easy to find, Harley didn't have a strong patent on that motor and in the early 90's aftermarket companies were building big inch high power Evo clones that didn't split cases. I am working on a video for the Evo crate engines, there's a bunch so I am trying narrow down to the best quality engines.

[@samueljeppsen9785]

Ha!! You're my hero!! You finally fixed that shelf. A new board AND an extra brace on it!! :-) JK. love ya brother!! Love your videos.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Actually my wife built that shelf, l am a butcher of wood. Lol l turn wrenches but she is the carpenter.

[@jtdundee]

I'd like to know what state in recent history determines a bike is stolen when the VIN is different from the engine serial number. My guess is... none. IF they do, it sure would be interesting to see that S.O.P and I know it would change when they paid out big time. So if some agency takes your bike just for THAT reason, you should retain an attorney and enjoy the outcome. Now, if it's a DUI or something bad is found, and the rider is arrested for something then yes the bike is towed. We've all heard guys swear their bikes were towed for no reason... sure it was.

[@GixxerFoo]

Police Officers have a lot of discretion, they are judge jury and executioner on the side of the road. You get one hell bent something ain't right you might be able to get a supervisor to over rule. You can get it straightened out later but still cost some money proving it. That's why l say keep a copy of the engine MSO and receipt on the bike or on you in case the bike was stolen.

[@drearaujoa6]

I’m a bit disappointing you fixed the shelf lol

[@GixxerFoo]

I have to admit it was bitter sweet and I kinda wonder if small fortunes were won and lost on wether it collapsed or not 😄😂

[@ryanroads7748]

I see you fixed up the saggy shelf👍

[@GixxerFoo]

😄😂 it was long time coming!

[@bigblue3568]

Fancy new shelf....

[@GixxerFoo]

Oh yeah much better than that old piece of OSB.

[@heraldlee8112]

So if you went from 88 to 103 would be better to get your tranny to 6 speed?