Glass of Water - You're Wrong and That's Okay

[@ARatherDeadPerson]

Remember. When someone stops defending their argument, and instead starts defending their right to have it. Something has gone horribly wrong.

[@StargazerAeons]

As a sensitive Teen I avoided Lilly's videos because my family coddled me and I didn't know what an "opposing viewpoint" was until I went to college. Now I find her honesty and blunt "personal truth" (that being she maintains the stance of her opinions with confidence) extremely refreshing. There are instances I find myself thinking "you're wrong" while watching her videos, but I keep watching because its much more refreshing to see someone dig into the details and approach them with as much confidence and humor as she does. If that is not a testament to the very message of this video I'm not sure what is.

[@SketchytheChangeling]

That video of mine was always one of my least favorites in hindsight, and this video pretty much highlights why. If anything about that video points out how ill-prepared I was to tackle such a topic, that would be it. Honestly, it was pretty pretentious of me to talk down to my audience like that, especially as a then-17-year-old whose channel was less than three months old, and if I were to ever re-make that video, it'd be the first thing I'd cut out, because the fact that it's my opinion is something that I should expect the audience to know without telling them. I mean, Jesus Christ, that whole disclaimer was over a minute long. That alone is reason enough to scrap it.

[@MoondustManwise]

Sketchy (the) Changeling Good on you, Sketchy! Taking the criticism like a freaking pro! Dang, if only the rest of the internet had as many brain cells to rub together...

[@SketchytheChangeling]

Well it helps that I came to this realization about my old work months ago, so I had time to accept that a video that I once thought to be one of my best pieces was in actuality one of my worst.

[@thetinykid4169]

Sketchy (the) Changeling well obviously it was a new channel it sounded like you recorded it in a closet under clothing and you've probably gone way farther

[@whozak479]

Sketchy (the) Changeling Hey at least you are able to admit that it was wrong but then again everyone does silly things at a young age and its from doing wrong and being proved wrong that we learn and grow or some other inspirational thingy

[@SketchytheChangeling]

Yeah, but the way I framed it made me sound like I was talking down to my audience, when in reality, the amount of people that actually reacted that way was small enough to count on one hand. I've made many opinion pieces like the Pinkie Pie video without placing a disclaimer, one of which was a video talking about why Princess Luna was overrated, and I still didn't get that many adverse reactions (and we all know how protective bronies are of Luna), so it shows that disclaimers don't make much of a difference. If someone decides to act like a child, then I'll throw shade.

[@JesterOfDestiny]

Wow, Voice of Reason is surprisingly unreasonable.

[@anneg7971]

glass of water = some good writing advice coupled with don't be a toddler handbook

[@gingersnap6004]

"I'm gonna shut Lily Peet down because she has a different opinion on critical thinking. She doesn't respect other people's opinions and that's why she bad!" Irony is a real funny thing.

[@amybradu1767]

That feel when you're a twelve year old who occasionally disagrees with lily, notably on it ain't easy being breezies cause I dislike how stubborn the breezies are and thus didn't care whether they lived or died, and yet lily has never offended me, at all.

[@amybradu1767]

But I mean thirteen tommorow, soooooo,

[@LilianOrchard]

Happy Birthday

[@amybradu1767]

Lily Peet thanks, love your channel.

[@hiya022]

Something I noticed in that comment is that they mentioned children not thinking about things too much when choosing their favorite episode/character. They mentioned children. For the first time they think about children, and it's to make someone that called them dumb look like an asshole. The person who, when talking about an episode, chooses if it's good or not by the message it's sending to kids, meanwhile they praise episodes that children find excruciatingly boring or are told lessons worse than telling a kid to marry a millionaire because of money because waifu and Wikipedia.

[@missspectra]

You know, I've actually made that "angry mob" joke a couple of times in my videos, and you know what? You're right. It's very condescending, and I will never do it again, even as a joke, because it's not funny anymore, it's just lazy. I can come up with better jokes than that. Thank you for calling me out on my cliche'd bullshit Lily. I'll be a better KZbinr for it.

[@morgankrogh7485]

Thank you so much for this video, you made me sit down and realize how many KZbinrs really do this to their audience. You're one of my role models and continue to change my world view for the better. Thank you so much Lilly!

[@ggmrgameanddraw]

I'm always so pleased when you take the time to rebut people you find wrong or miseducated while also presenting your case in an adult and mature manner. I wish I could have the chance to sit down and have a chat with you myself. Your videos always make my day.

[@carolynnwear3294]

This is why I like you Lily, you have well thought out opinions that make me think about the subject matter and level my opinion against yours. As a 23 year old college student that is going into her third year, I like this kind of thinking. While the comments section is disabled most of the time, I can still sit back and think about what you said and determine if your opinion seemed wrong to me and why. Not having the comments section to immediately rant about how I think your wrong has grown me as a person over the few years I've been subscribed. All in all what I'm trying to day is, thanks Lily, instead of feeding me what I want to hear, you make me think. Even though I may disagree with you some times, but you always make a good well thought out point.

[@darkninjafirefox]

Good Lord my mom is the poster child for this exact thing as conservatives usually are. She deludes herself into thinking that shes open to new opinions but when i or anyone tell her she's wrong and why she's wrong she gets mad that we're judging her. no duh I'm judging you because you're to stubborn to admit when you're wrong or actually listen to anyone It's exhausting to say the least

[@NexorionPlayUA]

Fuck I realize what an asshat I am because when people disagree with I always take the "well its just your opinion" option and dont push myself(and them) to actually defend the opinion. Wow... just wow me. What am I ?? 8 years old??? Damn. But thanks lily for the video. I gonna go revalue my life choices now.

[@localbird]

Does that person honestly think any adult in their right mind would debate the merits of a good episode with a CHILD? people can like things just to like them, lets say instead of MLP it was star vs the forces of evil. A child can say they like the saint O's episode because Marco was in a dress and no adult in their right mind would try to tell a that child they're wrong because the episode has an underlying theme often blah blah blah. Children are allowed to enjoy things just to enjoy them and so is everyone else, overanalyzing at least to me is just a fun little thing to pass time and engage with other members of a fandom. If you tell a child their favorite episode isn't yours you don't have to give them a long detailed explanation you just say you liked another episode more and that's usually a good enough reason for them children are wonderful and (usually) innocent creatures do you honestly think someone would ruin that over a show about freaking magic horses?

[@GlitchyPixExtra]

You know, I originally learnt this lesson via seeing people stating their assinine opinions on why gay marriage shouldn't be legal (they bring up that they see homosexuality as punishable as incest, paedophilia and bestiality. There are obvious reasons why this person is a fucking idiot and you should be able to tell why). After seeing people state this as an opinion piece made me realise that opinions can be incredibly fucking wrong and that opinions should be educated before being considered as being worth shit. Then I watched your videos and they enlightened me further on the subject. I can honest;y say that I have you to thank for my improved view of consideration when reading opinions. Thank you Lily

[@Avalon4pagans]

bravo! i was waiting for someone to say this! As an academic who studies media , i get really tired of the "flame shield" bs people in our field engage in. it makes the user seem weak because they don't want to hold their ground against descending opinions and it is condescending to the attitude of the audience.

[@wolvesrule88]

I am very proud to be subscribed to someone who really makes me think, and it's these videos that really help me to better not only my thinking but my writing as well. You talk intelligently, but not just to be flashy you do it because you have substance behind what you're saying and I really do enjoy listening to you, and taking what you're telling me and thinking about it. Whatever the subject. So a thanks from me as well.

[@youdom5]

Bravo Lily! I've had a disscussion like this with a friend of mine, and you covered most of the topics here and more. Needed something like this to eblaborate more on people's opinions

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

And this is why I'm subbed to Lily. She is extremely articulate and detailed in her criticism, and so it gets my brain working to give a second look towards what I enjoy in order to evaluate my opinion further. I don't NEED to be constantly told "this is just my opinion", because no shit! I don't expect people to go on a rampage because I did/didn't like a particular episode of a cartoon horse show. My (small) audience is better than that. I grew out of this mentality, and those who can't do anything but conflate strongly worded opinions with being authoritarian or unable to be questioned are seriously immature. Also, the amount of times I've had to tell other bronies that deliberately misgendering a trans person because you don't like them is NOT JUST ANOTHER OPINION makes me want to head-desk to infinity -_-'.

[@blueeclipse395]

Heh. Well thought-out and well explained as usual, Lily.

[@WillCoddington]

Thank you! This is something I've struggled to articulate amongst friends for years.

[@sketchyscars2482]

It's so hard to find someone who doesn't take shit and only gives brutal honesty- Thank you so freaking much for saying something I've been trying to say for so long

[@lisaruthloposser6255]

Lily, I absolutely love your content. You've helped me in so many ways, from showing me the little devils in the godforsaken mess that is my writing, to actually motivating me to read 1984. I'm a better person thanks to your well reasoned debates with other creators and logic. Madam, I just need to thank you for your approach to life. Its helped at least one anxious nerd through hard times.

[@skittyhugs7457]

I was wondering, how would Lily respond to that hypothetical statement from Paten Oswald's daughter

[@LilianOrchard]

"Understandable, have a great day."

[@foodfoodfood8898]

I remember first watching your video on LoK with a healthy amount of skepticism. I had no outright love for the series, in fact I held the common opinion that S1 was subpar, S2 sucked, S3 was great, and S4 was ok (except Kuvira, she's awesome), but because of your rhetoric, I had those opinions challenged by well-argued points. Because of your rhetoric, which strongly argues your opinions without needing to preface them, I had to rethink my position on the series. This is the mark of a good critic. You're videos are an exercise in rhetoric, arguing the merits of opinions without falsely stating that all are of equal merit. Subscribed.

[@IceColdEmber]

12:51 I love having the intellectual capability of a corpse uwu. Good video girlie. I dunno why butt my brain likes hearing you speak

[@schustette4]

The kind of people Lily is talking about reminds me of someone I know....She ALWAYS has to argue with us when we have flat out told her, "You're wrong."

[@LilianOrchard]

Just telling someone they're wrong isn't enough. You have to explain why they're wrong.

[@epeman1954]

This is a fucking excellent video.

[@spsilcox]

*audience claps* "Good Episode! Good Episode!" No seriously, this was a fantastic tasting glass of water you gave to your viewers.

[@boolean5162]

More fandoms and communities need speakers like you. Literally found your censorship glass of water from frustratedly googling "people don't know what censorship means" as a result of a game community argument, and you're spot on. Great oration and scripting, couldn't agree more with the points, and I'm subbing even though I haven't watched FiM since season 2

[@beepbeep8792]

I've never been a very good critical thinker. Maybe it's on account of the fact that I'm only twelve, and don't have enough world experience to develop a well articulated and thought out opinion. I don't usually come to the conclusions you do,which I can never argue with because they're correct, but I often see those conclusions and immediately understand them when you explain them to me. So my question to you is, how can I learn to be a better critical thinker, because I'm only a few months from being thirteen, and soon, critical thinking is a skill I'm going to need. On a side note, I have a friend who really needs to see your videos, and this is a great introduction

[@LilianOrchard]

World experience isn't related to your critical thinking. Critical thinking is something that should be taught in school, and yet isn't. Critical thinking is understanding the difference between objectivity (one's opinion gleaned from the information that has been presented to you) vs subjectivity (one's opinion gleaned from personal feelings or belief). "I like X Episode" is subjective, but "I like X Episode because..." is based on objective information. Of course, as I just demonstrated, critical thinking is extremely difficult to teach because it requires the teacher and the student to be willing to work on the possibility that everything they know is wrong. Something that children have no issue accepting, but adults are notoriously stubborn regarding.

[@thecolorquinn1749]

Thanks Lily, you helped me to make my arguments a whole lot better than what I use to do ( I actually use to just say FUCK YOU when someone had a different opinion that me...no joke). Seriously I will always remember how much you've helped me develop as a person when it comes to these things :D

[@theshinystunfisk3179]

A while ago I stopped watching mlp and I went through unsubscribing from most mlp channels. While there content is usually well made I felt no need to continue watching there channels due to my now disinterest about the topic but as I went through I decided to stay with lily peet and her channel due to it being well crafted and more often to differ from mlp and cover other topics so thanks lily peet for the amazing content! :-)

[@adrianareyes8496]

I feel like in early high school and late middle school its always taught that when writing an opinion based essay there is no need to state "I think" or "I believe" or "my opinion is". Your opinion goes without saying. Idk to me its a sign of not having a backbone.

[@qtRatret]

i agree, and disagree with some points Lily makes, like most people do, but this, this is probably the best episode of glass of water. differing opinions do mean you don't agree and in turn don't respect them. this does not mean you don't respect the person behind the opinions, realistically everyone deserves the respect of human decency until proven otherwise. but getting mad others for their opinions (if not harmful) just bothers me, i have opinions that differs from my friends, and i have opinions that are in line with people i despise, fact of the matter is, if you don't respects someones opinion that's fine, but if you can't respect the individual because of that then cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.

[@chiki_fai2299]

Seriously why do people keep taking things you say and turning them into things like "you shouldn't bother sharing you're opinion" if someone actually wants to give criticism at least look at the facts or at least pay attention

[@felipelins8524]

Can we just watch the show and have fun ffs?

[@LilianOrchard]

Nobody's stopping you from doing just that, I don't see why you felt the need to ask that question here. If people being critical about a show and it's community bothers you that much, may I suggest a dose of "Get over yourself and quit being such a baby"?

[@wolfman944544]

So you are criticizing people for not being willing to defend they're opinions, and just wanting people to "respect" their opinions. And yet you hide any comments that disagree with you. So who is the one who is too afraid to have their opinions challenged?

[@LilianOrchard]

You're operating off a faulty premise: I hide comments that offer no discussion value or are just commenting for the sake of being able to comment. As I said in the video: Taking previously elaborated reasons for an action and boiling it down to "hiding comments that disagree with you" in intellectually dishonest and stupid. There are a multitude of reasons I filter comments, all of them stemming from not wanting worthwhile comments to become buried under all the trash, both positive and negative. And not allowing shit-awful behavior to run rampant unchecked. To give an example: On the video being talked about, there's someone telling Voice about this think-piece who misgenders me and gets my name wrong. Voice responds with a "that's nice" and doesn't once bother to correct the person who did it. That is a spineless move from somebody who thinks "confrontation = bad." If you bothered to pay attention to most comments sections of my videos, you would see I frequently engage with dissenting opinions, but that doesn't fit your easy narrative so like every other lazy little fuck you ignore it.

[@wolfman944544]

Lily Peet Yes, because you wouldn't want all them "worthwhile" comments that can basically be summed up as "Lily is a God and can do no wrong". Because those are the only comments I ever see on your videos. You only address dissenting opinions privately and very rarely make those discussions viewable by everyone. I'm guessing because your afraid someone else will agree with them instead of you.

[@LilianOrchard]

Have you considered that the majority of visible comments are positive because the majority of comments in their entirety are positive? If you're going to jump to conclusions based on your own imagination, it helps to consider all the possibilities and not just the ones that feed into your delusional narrative that I'm some kind of tyrant.

[@wolfman944544]

Lily Peet I've actually commented on previous videos and said I didn't agree with you. You let my comment be visible and responded to it. So good for you for that. But the two other people that replied to my comment saying they agreed with me, not you, strangely enough weren't allowed to be visible. The only reason I know what their comments said was because my KZbin notification tab told me. Plus it tells you the number of comments at the top of the comment section, and I am able to count the number of visible comments, and those numbers tend to be vastly different. But forgive me for not trusting someone who hides most of their comments and disables ratings on their videos, and then says "trust me, most of the comments are positive". That kind of reminds me of Trump saying his inauguration was the most attended ever, when that can be easily fact checked.

[@LilianOrchard]

I generally don't approve another person's reply to a comment. Those aren't put at the top of the approval list, they're down further based on the time the original comment was made and that adds a lot more time to approve comments. Especially considering the longer the comment lasts the further down the list replies go and I just flat out do not get notifications of replies to other people's comments unless they're replying to me. So for the most part I let replies sit in the list. I'm a busy woman and this is not a crucial issue. The "good for you" does not go to me for approving the comment, it goes to the person who wrote a comment worth responding to. Leaving comments unfiltered doesn't say anything about someone's willingness to have their opinions challenged. I could just as easily leave them unfiltered and just never check them (which in fact happens on In A Minute, where comments are unfiltered save for the blacklist and I just don't bother checking it after the first day). An unfiltered comments section only means the creator isn't paying attention. "Unfiltered comments = open to opinions" is a bullshit red-herring used by people who just want an open platform to scream in. You're not getting it. End of story.