How to Be a Race Contrarian | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@michelles7910]

I would be so thrilled to bump into Dr.McWhorter at the farmers market

[@VelkePivo]

I’ve gotten so much from him and Glenn I think I’d offer to pick up his tab

[@ondolite3789]

@@VelkePivo 😀

[@Swatta637]

Haha same!

[@ondolite3789]

@@Swatta637 🐥

[@karimalameddine5092]

Me too! 😊

[@lgunn87]

This is sad but helpful. I love you guys both. Your channel helped me shed some old beliefs and old clinging to victimhood. I loved Woke Racism and also Losing the Race. These are hard conversations to have but I think that things are changing slowly. More Black people are becoming conservative.

[@ondolite3789]

Yoo R misguided.

[@mitchpeter5718]

@@ondolite3789 let me guess:: because she’s not bathing in victimhood, not looking for white liberal pity, not looking for some white savior?? How can I claim to be a free-thinking and self-determined individual while peddling victimhood?? Have you no shame??

[@ondolite3789]

@Mitch Peter No, I am simply a strong individual with morals and strong spine. I hope that this woman rots in hell for her laziness and stoopiditi.

[@ondolite3789]

@Mitch Peter I was raised with whytes and I get them totally. This is all so fukking childish. May yoo get wot yoo deserve.

[@lgunn87]

@@ondolite3789 No I am not, I loved this conversation. It showed honor and vulnerability.

[@reubentobias2512]

I love seeing intelligent black men talk and are so normal. These are black men. Not the street people

[@anyakirby2014]

I applaud John for being honest with his daughters on such uneasy subject. I promise you, it’ll pay off. Bringing me up in Soviet Union my father was always honest with me on his view of the Soviet tyranny, on their lies about West-the-enemy-of-Russia, telling me about fantastic US Land Lease help during the war and after, on Afghanistan war and other things. Yes, sometimes I felt different to other children. But with age I learned to identify peers of my kind and to feel less alone. When changes came to Russia I was amongst the first to be delighted about it and embrace it. After moving to the UK, I was much more opened to the western culture, which helped me to become more successful and appreciative of the western achievements. I’ve always been so grateful to my dad for his honesty and bravery to explain things to me against what I was learning in Soviet school. Thank you Glen for another brilliant conversation.

[@namehere4721]

Thank you both for all you do. I’m 52, Black and an intellectual by no means. I barely got out of high school and work civil service. But I can still enjoy your show.

[@ahwhite2022]

Watching John process some of Glenn's statements, as John continues to try not to let himself wholly accept the more concrete propositions Glenn delivers, is always the best part of these conversations.

[@StoryThyme100]

Thanks for articulating this teaching observation!

[@williamcorbett5150]

Yup. You nailed it

[@Low_commotion]

Picking up this podcast again from back in 2021, can't help but notice that Glenn looks a lot healthier. Thanks for another great conversation between you two!

[@ondolite3789]

Low indeed. Step bak.

[@Low_commotion]

@@ondolite3789 Step up lol

[@ondolite3789]

@@Low_commotion I have dun so.

[@stephenphillips3883]

I feel compelled to comment every time I watch your show, I love your conversations and although I don't think either of you read these, and I'm not in a position to support your work financially, I want to say thank you. You're both very forthright and honest men, people I that inspire me and whom I aspire to emulate in my own life. I'm not under any illusion that either of you are perfect, no one is, but it's not often people are told that they're a genuine force for good, you both are. I hope you continue growing together for as long as possible, it's an honour to be able to listen in.

[@ondolite3789]

I feel compelled also but for different reasons. They are disgusting men.

[@scottsutherland7426]

Why do you consider them “disgusting men”?

[@thedalewardens9106]

Apparently logic, reason, and intelligence that you can’t argue with is discussing.

[@ondolite3789]

@Scott Sutherland After consideration of their output I can reach no other conclusion.

[@ondolite3789]

@The Dale Wardens That is your opinion. Yooo R too wild in your accusations. Yoo will have to axcept that some in life will disagree with yoo.

[@sosquatch17]

Re: Scott Adams: I'm no fan of Scott (he's a bit arrogant and a self-described narcissist), but you seem to be missing some context on his comments and I'm curious how/if it would change your thoughts on the matter. My quick summary of how I understand his perspective/goals of the statement: 1) he has expertise in hypnotism and persuasion...he was trying to gather attention to lead to a productive convo. He is also a lefty/liberal who says he has spent much of his time helping the "black community" 2) the goal of this attention-gathering outrage was to reach more people to give tools of success to black people 3) the poll he referenced was bad, but the results are clearly on display (anti-white attitude gaining popularity) 4) if a group of people doesn't like you, you should get away from that group 5) pointing to the difference in how we can talk about race (what white can say about black and vice versa) and how it's all racism. I'm not sticking up for him and don't agree with how he went about this, I'm just curious what your take would be (if at all different) given his perspective/aim. Thanks to the both of you...long time fan

[@BrandonsCommentary]

I’ve been thinking the same thing about Coleman Hughes. The variety of people he talks to and topics he addresses is so broad, that he’s not likely to run out of talking points and pursuits as a public intellectual.

[@davidlarsen4900]

I admire both of you and your views about race. I don’t describe your views as conservative, but rather as common sense realism. I have always considered myself liberal and on many issues progressive, but the leftist extremism on issues such as race and gender are terribly disturbing, illiberal and just damned wrong! Keep up the good work!

[@ondolite3789]

Yoo R damned wrong. May yoo get wot yoo deserve.

[@pamelaroyce5285]

Many of us classical liberal Democrats are with you on this (and maybe certain other specific issues). I *cannot* vote GOP because I disagree with them on many, many issues, but I think the cult of wokeism as McWhorter describes it in his book “Woke Racsim” is wrong. If the GOP returned to Eisenhower sanity, I could vote for that.

[@ondolite3789]

@Pamela Royce There is no cult of wokeness. Yoo R a classical dupe.

[@QuinnieMae]

I might be somewhere to the right of you, David and Pamela. I'm a lapsed liberal that found myself nodding along as I read both of your comments. The cold prickly comment in between you reminded me of the climate and culture of a lot of the Woke elect, and is a solid reminder of why I'm here. I don't have answers for this coming election, I feel quite undecided (or if I'm being honest I'm a lot of "Holy fuck what am I going to land on?!") but that aside, judging by your comments and of course getting to enjoy Glenn and John's discussions I consider myself very lucky to be in a loose band of estimable and well spoken and nuanced and thoughtful people. Thanks for that reminder. 💯

[@curtiscollins3318]

We all need others to stand with to remain courageous and steadfast, but also to press on being confidently flexible and curious. I think of this every time I watch both of you - together.

[@mjay8335]

Uncle Dr. Glenn….you bringin’ tears to my eyes, sir! I extend God’s unconditional grace to you. Do you forgive yourself for your mistakes? God sho nuff has. Same to you Uncle Dr. John! Nothing but love and respect to you. I know you two paid/are paying a high price but wow! Thanks for your raw vulnerability, courageous honesty and unmatched brilliance ❤

[@ondolite3789]

Yooo R wasting yor time as McWorthless is a committed satanist.

[@QuinnieMae]

I'm not a believer in god and that's not to be construed as a judgement on you or God so please don't misunderstand my comment, but I just want to say that I happened to be reading _YOUR_ warm comment to Glenn as he was telling John about his sort of dark night of the soul, and it made _me_ cry.... your words of encouragement and love. As a lapsed liberal (as John would say) and a woman without a political home, I must say that on this side of the aisle with Glenn is a warm place to be. Your comment is part of what makes it warm over here. That's all. It touched me, what you said. Thank you.

[@R.J.1]

Just two guys that don't necessarily agree, having a great conversation. We need this.

[@northwards2218]

I really love listening to two friends discuss interesting ideas and events. All the best to both of you and thank you.

[@ondolite3789]

Shut up.

[@northwards2218]

@@ondolite3789 lol, that is one way to express your displeasure with others. I wish you the best, God bless you and yours.

[@ondolite3789]

@@northwards2218 Unusual benevolence from a fan of these two monsters.

[@northwards2218]

We clearly see them differently and may disagree on a few other subjects. Hopefully there are many other things we agree on. Have a great weekend.

[@ondolite3789]

@@northwards2218 You also. These R scary times.

[@farcenter]

A razers edge conversation. Very intense, new friends or colleges will never get within a million miles of a conversation of this. Bravo

[@PopularDemand1000]

Incredible, uncommonly honest conversation. Please keep it up.

[@ondolite3789]

🦧

[@deenzmartin6695]

i've been listenting to the two of you have conversations for years. always interesting and thought-provoking.

[@ondolite3789]

Rip van Winkle wood luv these 2 dirti bastards. Get off yor lazi butt, get owt there and gettintowit.

[@onepartyroule]

I get a perspective from the Glenn and John discussions that I don't get anywhere else. I appreciate you guys!

[@drlarrypfaff]

As a professional in my 70s I appreciate the short lessons into your pasts, it helped me look a bit inward, which I needed at this moment. Thank you gentlemen!

[@ondolite3789]

Doh!!

[@michaelconnors1301]

These guys are great. I'd like to hear more from John about what he dislikes so strongly about the Supreme Court and why he wouldn't vote for DeSantis.

[@jeremyreagan9085]

These two gentlemen scholars are so interestingly human and humble. I prefer them to the American left in some respects.

[@gharris1974]

This has been one of the most insightful and honest conversations I've ever seen online...

[@MorePlausible]

Great discussion. John, your nuanced response to Glenn’s question is a master class in communication - thanks.

[@retrojazzdanceandmore]

Thank you, gentlemen! Another organic and interesting conversation.

[@ondolite3789]

When and where?

[@gagillion]

I'm really glad I've found you both. Thank you.

[@The88Cheat]

8:52 "to the manner born" I'd never heard this idiom before. I really like it. The definition for those who are interested: "Accustomed from birth to a particular behavior or lifestyle, as in At a high-society function she behaves as though to the manner born, but we know she came from very humble circumstances . This term was invented by Shakespeare in Hamlet. Referring to the King's carousing in Danish style, Hamlet says (1:4): "Though I am native here And to the manner born, it is a custom More honor'd in the breach than the observance." The manner in this expression was later sometimes changed to manor, "the main house of an estate," and the idiom's sense became equated with "high-born" (and therefore accustomed to luxury), a way in which it is often used today."

[@dale9724]

Two great leaders. Thank you.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

This conversation was most enjoyed! I found emotion, truth, authenticity, and myself.

[@AlejandroRamos-kn5cd]

The only reason that I look forward to reading the New York Times is John and Thomas best advice EVER

[@Smithistory]

What an all-star cast at that Palo Alto meeting.

[@suesmith2183]

I absolutely love these discussions. Glenn, it's so refreshing to hear your honesty and this is hugely admirable!! I don't have to agree with you, but I appreciate the honest thoughts from both of you. White female Australian here!!

[@bogeyb200]

Prof Loury, your laptop camera is quite good. Look at the quality

[@williamkeys6782]

I am have become a fan of both Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, and I am also not a nut. I live in Australia and I am a MAGA and POTUS Trump supporter.

[@R.J.1]

These two guys destroyed me emotionally on how real they are on camera.

[@DubyaJE]

I always enjoy and appreciate your conversations with each other, and I always come away enlightened. Many thanks to you both! Regarding Scott Adams, have either of you watched his interview with Hotep Jesus (available on KZbin)? Scott refers to that conversation as the necessary context for understanding his public reaction to the poll. I'd love to hear what the both of you might make of that interview.

[@StoryThyme100]

Thanks - I'll be checking that interview out

[@heroesofwar]

Always a good show. Super interested in any discussion regarding Real Estate Appraisal Bias

[@EVERLAST223]

I'd love for you to discuss this with Scott Adams. Think it would be a great conversation.

[@you6382tube]

Admiration for your thoughtful, honest ideas. Keep it up. It's appreciated.

[@naglfarslayer6367]

58:00 John's interpretation of "It's okay to be white" is contrary to every other interpretation I've heard. That's an interesting assessment that I'll keep in mind in the future!

[@Feliciab67]

This is the first time I heard you guys speak about the trans issue. I love listening to you both of you speak. I feel very strongly about the trans ideology. They are trying to erase women and all of our rights. I understand why you don't speak out about this issue. Universities and cancelling is a career killer. Perhaps one day you will feel able to speak on this, because I would love to hear your enlightened views on it. Truly I love hearing your voices!!

[@hopelessatusernames]

I agree with you on trans ideology and also don't need this conversation to be taken over by the issue; I value the discussion of race and don't need other issues bringing in, people don't need to address everything

[@carolblume5073]

@37:20. That was nothing more than guilt by association because he signed the Harper's letter.

[@Poecilia1963]

Unless they have the time to really dive into it, I think they should probably stay away. It's so complex, it really does require a phenomenal amount of time to figure out what's really going on, and if you get anything wrong the ideologues will come after you. (Canada is doing a great job of erasing, as you say - there's an event coming up in Ottawa called "Ask Women Anything"; the two women doing the answering are males. Sigh).

[@purplemonkeydishwasher9818]

8:03 Regarding Coleman, I'll say, I left a not-so-favorable comment on the round table conversation had regarding anti CRT legislation but only because I sense that he has an ability to really think (nothing obscene, but critical nonetheless). I think Coleman has staying power (or at least I hope he does). He isn't regurgitating anything - his ideas are his and he continues to come up with relevant contributions.

[@brianmeen2158]

Coleman is great but I have to believe he will get burned out at least when it comes to the race discussion. I know I am for the most part as it seems like we’ve went backwards in the past 6-7 years

[@stephenmerriman5620]

I very much enjoy your discussions, although diametrically opposed to most of your opinions. There is a genuine conversation to be had with you both, and I appreciate that very much. Always thought provoking and genuinely interesting.

[@benjaminperez969]

I'd be keen to hear a recorded conversation between Glenn Loury and Scott Adams. Professor Loury could ask him pointed questions, steelman his responses, and ask ever more pointed questions to get at what & why he said what he said, felt what he felt. Dismissing him as "racist" seems like a cop out, as easy out.

[@brianmeen2158]

That would be interesting

[@pdebra6542]

I always enjoy listening to Glenn and John, but this episode is particularly moving. There's a lot of honesty, painful at times. The almost meditative tone is what got me this time.

[@nancya7289]

This discussion fascinates me. Glenn and John express their thoughts and feelings about coming to terms with what they genuinely believe, and how academic cliques played a part in their intellectual development. The initial part where they discuss who will last struck me as a little petty. "Who started it" is not the question of someone who has worked through their issues completely. And there's honesty and vulnerability in the willingness to be open about such hurts. I once watched a video where John asked Ta-nehisi Coates about the attack. TC owned that it was wrong and apologized. I wonder now why John is holding on to the slight, although certainly I do not know the whole story. It's hard to describe and defend a position and withstand the social cost. As John said, it can be lonely. And, the cost of self-betrayal, to such substantive individuals as these two, would be too much to bear. I am eagerly awaiting Glenn's book. So grateful for these biweekly sessions. Many thanks to you both along with your production staff.

[@dennisdose5697]

John and Glenn, if you pursue truth, you will always have trouble fitting into any major "tribe." The tribe is about comfort, belonging, security, knowing you have agreement with your fellows. Truth is often disruptive, inconvenient, and divisive. Truth is a pain in the ass, and people that pursue it are a bigger pain in the ass. I don't always agree with you guys, but the fact that you have trouble fitting in with established tribes may be part of why I watch you. I don't need to listen to the tribal elders of the various groups, I know what they will say before they open their yaps. I'm willing to pursue truth with you together, even when I think you are wrong, as long as I think you are really trying to find truth. Good segment gents. Take care, my friends. 😎

[@ondolite3789]

These two are even more predictable. Get outta here!

[@QuinnieMae]

Let me tell you both, I'm a 50yo woman in Colorado and I think LaJuan is not only a gorgeous lady but a lady that is lucky in love to have Glenn to love and make lamb chops for 🥰 And as far as John strikes me, anyone that gets asked to the theater with him or gets to enjoy applesauce made by John and his daughters must be _swooning._ I listen to John's discussions and the lilt of his speaking voice and hell *I* swoon and need a handkerchief to blot my -shiny nervous- dewy forehead. I want all happiness for you both. Thank you for letting us enjoy your discussions.

[@Sojourner24_7]

I hope Coleman Highs will grow up be our next Thomas Sowel. He is a brilliant, respectable young gentlemen.

[@elderhiker7787]

This is a very interesting discussion between the two of you. Although I am a hard-core independent, I subscribe to this channel because I appreciate your honesty and logical and unemotional approach to your opinions. Having been born in 1944, I grew up in the 40s and 50s and came of age in the 1960s and was very much influenced by the Civil Rights era and of course Martin Luther King. I was of a mind that we had done the heavy lifting and it wasjust a matter of time before the the African Americans would take advantage of the opportunities that had been denied them and a thriving and prosperous middle class would emerge. This, of course, did happen, but not to the extent we had hoped. The sad thing about your discussion on the video is the degree to which you both felt compelled be part of the Black liberal narrative despite your own personal experience and beliefs. The striking part about that is the vast difference it is for white people. I do not know any white Caucasian who thinks of himself primarily in those terms and we don’t experience and group pressures along racial lines. So, to hear the extent to which you did have those experiences is disheartening for several reasons. First because it is not consistent with the desired end-goal of which MLK spoke. Second, because , if race is the primary consideration in all human interactions, the we will always be speaking from and to a position of power and inequality. That will lead to perpetual turmoil and eventually to decay and rot of our society. Earlier in my response I said that after the impact of the Civil Rights movement, I felt it was just a matter of time before things were universally better but, of course, I was wrong. Things haven’t evolved as I thought they would. In fact, the society, as a whole, seems to have gone backwards and perfectly reasonable white people are saying things like “stay away from black people” and 60% Black people tell pollsters that all white people are White Supremacists. If anybody promoting this narrative of divisiveness thinks this is leading to a better society, they are seriously delusional. So, I will continue to listen to your enlightened discourse and hope that leaders of this ugly narrative do, as you suggest, whither away into oblivion and we can grow into a society that enlightened leaders envision. Keep up the good work gentlemen.

[@ladymsthing6056]

I’ve followed Dr. McWhorter for many years, I’ve always hated the mistreatment he had to put up with. I’m very proud of both of these intelligent men.

[@dustinhecker3986]

Interesting stuff and thanks as always. I have no idea how we have a "national conversation" about anything, much less race in America. But you guys sure help kickstart it.

[@fs5775]

God I love you guys! You really are both ALL that. Keep being great and thank you for what you do 🙏

[@ericcameron3176]

Why is it, that the more l listen to Loury, the more respect l have ?

[@keithallen-finehomebuyersr111]

Glenn you should contact Scott Adams and have a discussion with him and you and John. He’s doing something completely different than what you two are speculating about and for the good. Call him Glenn.

[@vickils9571]

Glenn and John, love, love, love you guys! cues

[@alexislou9404]

Love you guys...keep doin what you're doin.

[@ondolite3789]

Don't encourage 'em.

[@k4yser]

The irony of the Scott Adam's situation is, that a young black female would make the exact same case but race reversed, book agents would line up to close a deal. The hypocrisy is once again astounding and not unnoticed, which contributes to Adam's overall point.

[@lotsa_potsa]

Another great great discussion guys

[@BrianOfCollegeStation]

I pray Glenn’s openness in his memoir is a blessing to the world. I know it will get used against him and but I hope God will let it be a net good for Glenn’s life, not just the world overall.

[@simonrae3048]

Nice conversation gents. A bit of back and forth. Honest

[@tinakasimer411]

1. Coleman is a true intellectual, so yes we’ll see him for a long time 2. Even though I am certainly a potential desantis voter, dr mcwhorter does have to be to earn my respect and interest. Thanks guys!

[@griffinsdad9820]

What a weird yet unexpectedly refreshing talk. Definitely interesting times. To think that some folks are now demanding resegregation, after bit of creative misdirection , a healthy dose of over simplification , and a cpl years of global lockdown... I mean i know its such more than that, but sheesh... I had no idea our social fabric was so thread bare! I thought the glue was maybe not Super but definitely not Elmers! Is it stupid to still hope? Idk... But thx to you both for keeping at it.

[@DigitalMoonlight]

The resegregation demands started in universities around 2014 to 2016 framed as POC safe spaces.

[@lydiahowell9126]

I think it's good that McWhorter clarifies his politic al perspective. As a progressive, I think other progressives NEED to hear dissenting views like his. As a white, lifelong progressive anti-racism activist--who was canceled after a (false) accusation of being "white supremacist" due to questioning one individual case of police killing an armed Black man, I am grateful for these 2 men. They've helped me in a process of clarification of my own understandings, that had already been gong on for several years before I was canceled 2 years ago. Life is far more ambivalent and complicated than just a "power politics" analysis. Racism remains real--but, it's certainly NOT the absolute determining factor that they were 55 years ago.

[@calmon-ground962]

Interesting conversation, thank you gentlemen. I'm reading a book called The Courage to Be Disliked. Four years ago, I was reading a book called Love Your Enemies. Interesting to walk in two worlds. Funny that as a white woman, I found myself reacting to the Scott Adams situation by making a list of all the people he's dismissing by thinking that all people of a given hue are the same/think the same. That's the banana peel that people continue to slip on. Viewpoint diversity and intellectual humility continue to be in all too short a supply.

[@mattcarman855]

That strikes me as so sad that your daughter saw that already...That women is blind to the fact that she has similars views of a southerner from 1950's yet living in the heart of NYC in 2023, were I reside myself, it's really pathetic... Another great conversation, I'm always looking forward to...Cheers!

[@ondolite3789]

McWorthless is pathetic actually.

[@StoryThyme100]

I'm not familiar with the 1950's southerner mentality but I do see it as a scarcity mentality resentment against any non-black woman who is stealing from a perceived limited pool of admirable black men. Personally I think that multiple mixed race women are usually striking, an illustration of 'throw everything into the mixing bowl!'

[@profwilliams2772]

Glenn, you sound great and look wonderful. Great laptop!!!! John, however, needs to get some better equipment- a newer laptop. Side by side, Glen's image is much better. Regardless, the words are what I'm here for, and they always inspire!!!

[@L_Martin]

39:25 Oh no you can't. That's the whole thing about gender identity theory and the quasi-religious behaviour surrounding it. If you took the MOST "pro-trans", TWAW, if this male says they're a female then it must be taken at face value and they must have every right that would be afforded to a female, etc., but say it's unfair to females if a male races against them... That person would be vilified and excommunicated. They have sinned against the church. I'm not kidding. They leave NO room for anyone on their side to object to anything, any part of it. I have seen it again and again - it happened to me. Where I started out phrasing everything with the utmost care, making sure it would be well understood I accepted t* people were a vulnerable minority, needed special health care, that it is incredibly cruel and damaging to mental health to misgender, etc. - but that males competing against females was fundamentally unfair... and wouldn't you know it, I became instantly indistinguishable from a far-right bigot calling for t* genocide. These were people on the left, which I had thought was my home. The t* issue has its high priests who dictate what positions we all must hold about gender identity theory and womanhood and feminism if we are to be anything but a far-right bigot. And wow, does that fall apart quickly. I'm actually really glad I collided with this subject in such a way, because it really exposed to me what the left had turned into. I don't think of myself as on the left anymore simply because the reality denial became too much, once you start to look into it, you can see it pervades everything on the left. You are socially assassinated and ostracised if you deviate even a hair from the orthodoxy. I think John calls it a cult... yes, it absolutely is.

[@RebekahsZ]

“ I’m not a nut!” Most of the people you are distancing yourself from aren’t nuts either.”

[@cmiller7299]

This was a refreshingly deep & insightful episode. Really enjoyed it. Thanks Glenn & John!

[@Nightstalker78]

I have so much respect for Glenn Loury. He's a very intelligent man who sees through the fakery and stupidity that the left has pushed down people's throat on a daily basis. The man is a breath of fresh air.

[@malikshabazz2065]

great stuff!

[@nicolleshields9735]

Thank you for your work.

[@plaidpaisley5918]

John, you forgot to add “ not that there’s anything wrong with that”, in the intro.

[@Say_When]

I would walk up with all the composure I could muster, ask if I could interrupt you for a moment of your time... and, with gratitude, convey to you how much help, knowledge, and healing you've helped plant and grow in my life. I'm not ashamed, scared or... i was terrified... at being labeled a racist... no more. I'm an American and a human being and it's "not one step back" .. for me. I'm pushing back... Swiftian satire... ridicule them into oblivion.. that's my mission.

[@Zainiology]

I wish Glenn would get into more debates about matters unrelated to race. E.g. foreign policy, NATO, Ukraine, climate change and environmental policies, even cultural stuff like marriage and transgenderism etc etc etc. Glenn is a deep thinker and I'd like to see him debating a more varied set of topics.

[@mjpich]

Thoughtful response to the Adams issue.

[@paigemccormick6519]

Except it had our guys making everything up, what-if-this, what-if-that, doesn't-he-this, doesn't-he-that, because they didn't know Scott Adams was being satirical (bad on him). Otherwise, it was thoughtful.

[@timothy4664]

I can't wait for Glenn's memoir. I hope he does an event in our home town. I would never bother him if I saw him out in public because I feel everyone deserves their own private lives regardless of how public aspects of their career might be. I sympathize with Glenn looking back on his life and feeling like he betrayed others with his views. I am bisexual. I was once very active in my community but I married a woman. I love my family but I can't help but feel guilty at times. I might as well be straight. I also disagree with lgbt issues today. It's very challenging, no one wants to hear from me. I'm a nobody anyway but even if I wasn't, I married a woman and challenge the mainstream left's views on trans issues. I might as well be a maga person to so many even though that couldn't be further than the truth. I truly loath the lack of nuance in political discourse.

[@gagillion]

I appreciate you bringing up the trans issue. There is a lot to discuss here, and not the least being the competitive sports aspects. I hope that one day soon you two will decide to tackle this issue. It is worthy of your time and consideration. In the meantime, voices like Helen Joyce, Jordan Peterson and Jennifer Bilek, among many others , are worth listening to, I believe. Many thanks again to you both.

[@robertflury3349]

I'm really amazed at in spite of how brilliant John is he just will occasionally jump the shark. Taking the concepts of whiteness or white guilt as anything other than racist pseudoscience is not going to get any of us anywhere

[@abdul7591]

The fact that anything Kendi puts out is guaranteed to be a bestseller doesn’t say much for the intelligence of the American public.

[@brianmeen2158]

It’s honestly tragic.

[@ondolite3789]

@@brianmeen2158 🥳

[@ondolite3789]

Why so?

[@faithwork1]

He's racist but people accept it because he's not white.

[@ondolite3789]

@Symbios Creative Racist towards whom? Yoo sound realli stoopid.

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

So! you guys are human after all….thank God !!

[@Autobong5000]

You can say that trans x aren't x and some people will only hear, "trans people aren't people".

[@pamelaroyce5285]

I highly recommend McWhorter’s books. Read “Woke Racism” if you never get to the others. I’m devouring “Losing the Race” and have “Winning the Race” standing by to read next. I also have Glenn Loury’s “The Anatomy of Racial Inequality” standing by. Thomas Chatterton Williams’ slender book “Self-Portrait in Black and White” is also terrific.

[@oleeb]

You guys are fun and interesting. I'm not as old as Glenn and not as young as John and like to think of myself as a thoughtful person. I don't know how you two are ever confused with conservatives especially on social issues. You may not be "perfect" to those who have more emphatic lefty-ish beliefs but that doesn't make you conservative. Glenn's take on economics is often "conservative" because that's an easy silo to put him in, but in my mind it's more just standard or establishment than it is conservative or right wing. I find you both quite reasonable and open to opposing ideas and that you represent more than black intellectuals who dissent from the herd on lots issues. I appreciate that you insist on discussing the realities of some difficult issues like crime, social breakdown, academic rigor, the downsides of affirmative action, and the like. It doesn't make you a reactionary to discuss and evaluate things honestly and without distortion. In my view it makes you people who are interested in approaching these clear problems with a mind toward actually doing something to try and solve them in the real world not just in our aspirations. You can't solve any problem if you don't identify it honestly and recognize the reality of that problem. I think you represent lots of people who are thoughtful, more intellectual than not, but also not so subsumed into the culture of academia that you have abandoned all common sense merely to be seen as virtuous which would be very easy to do. The number of those who see your views as representing a viewpoint they share reaches beyond "black intellectuals" and "conservative white intellectuals" but also working people, plain middle class people of every race and many other categories. You're on the right path. Keep it up gentlemen!

[@seekinganhonestpolitician]

I think we all compromise, at least some of the time, to maintain group status

[@kellygraham3415]

I wish you'd look into more about what Scott Adams actually said. I'm sure you both of you have had, on more than one occasion, your words taken out of context. How about having him on your podcast & talk to him about what he actuality said & what happened to him.

[@biblicalworldview1]

The Scott Adams thing is very confusing, because it is the woke who want separate spaces for black and white people and it seems to me that he is just echoing what they are asking for. How many of them have been canceled?

[@Poecilia1963]

I just watched an interview with Hyrum Lewis, author of The Myth of Left and Right. As someone who is mostly "left" but has some views which would get me labeled a bit "right" I found it quite interesting (I do not *identify* with any political label though).

[@TheRealTruth533]

Great discussion and examination. Having what's considered conservative values and views isn't a crime. Black people need to think more critically.

[@colinreese]

Ron DeSantis went to Yale for undergrad and Harvard Law School.

[@JJ0n3z]

This lights my brain on fire with cognitive dissonance.

[@mattersmatter342]

Yup, an insider 😅

[@haroldthomas2172]

It's interesting to hear people who agree on some issues and disagree on other issues. Hard to believe..

[@The88Cheat]

10:22 I would feel freaking awesome if men I respect like John and Glenn said these things about me. Nothing better than obviously intelligent people saying they think you're also intelligent.

[@geraldzuriff9854]

Who knew that John was suffering so much from the slings of his fellow Black intellectuals? The fact that he kept it all to himself shows him to be quite a gentleman. Hear, Hear!

[@keatssamson9382]

Not a fan of either of these gentlemen , but i found this episode very moving.

[@4leahtaylor]

Don’t change Glenn! I believe you speak, most of the time, for people like me-a Black woman who does not get the microphone often. And John, be brave, and keep speaking up as a Democrat. Perhaps your arguments will break the spell so many in your party are under.

[@MKeller4033]

"She's a McWhorter hater." All hatred is self-hatred projected outward.

[@deenzmartin6695]

ALL?

[@VelkePivo]

So holocaust survivors who hate Hitler actually hate themselves. Got it. Brilliant

[@jeremymaddox7854]

Regarding Adams: Has anyone considered that a comic strip writer might use satire, a la J Swift’s, “A Modest Proposal,” in response to main stream discourse (and specifically the poll he addressed in his rant) on the subject of race-based attitudes? I.e., Was he serious, or not? Regardless, at this point, which I can only hope is temporary, I think we are all too politically stupid to spot the difference.

[@saracappello6805]

Coleman Hughes seems to have a genuine intellectual curiosity.

[@gordongraves4614]

The truth endures