Why Your Next Groupset Will Be From Temu? | GMBN Tech Show 359

[@gmbntech]

Would you purchase parts from a website such as Temu or AliExpress?

[@Monocog007]

Lots of genuine Shimano parts available for significant discounts from retail on Ali. They're intended for manufacturers of bikes, so they just don't come in retail packaging.

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@Monocog007 chains and pedals get counterfeit a lot though. Shifters and cassettes are fine, yes.

[@RichardMaguire110]

I have not bought from these sites yet. For me spares and technical back up are important.

[@hawgietonight]

No. I don't like having to worry about customs, long shipping or fake items. It isn't an expensive sport if you forget the hype and stay real. No need for the risks. Others may like the risks and a have a good and/or free healthcare system. Good for them.

[@feedbackzaloop]

​@@hawgietonight last time I was bothered by the customs (in Germany) was about a parcel from UK when a friend used his work address, not personal. Everything from China got through customs flawlessly for about a decade already. Week or two in transit also beats months of preorder. Not to mention the hassle of talking to a LBS owner or a trainee at the desk. But I'm also blessed to have three huge online retailers (all with "bike" in their names) that always offer some discounts. So I can gather up quite a shopping basket and get parts right in time for a big project. Or keep a collection of spares just in case. Interesting to see the experience of US/Canada bikers with all their Amazon dominance and import taxes.

[@albertyi2593]

It's bang-for-your-buck until it goes bang and you're bucked.

[@Lousicle]

I have Shimano Cues 10 speed on my hardtail and it’s flawless. I use it mainly for aggressive tech trails. $160 shifter, derailleur, chain and cassette

[@kyleslater5245]

That’s the way I’m going next round I think. Really like the look of cues. I wish trp was more avalible I’d try them maybe even box or microshift (unlikely on the later) if cues was out of stock. I’ve made a bloody nx drive train last 1200kms and a trip to a ski resort so I’m not demanding but I wouldn’t stoop to temu.

[@MrDstnyw]

@@Lousicle i like the idea of the cues/linkglide cassette and all 11s spaceing but i would use it with m5100 deore derallieur/shifter 11 speed im currently using m5100 on a cheap 50t 10s cassette wish i had gone 11s at the start didnt see that coming

[@derpycyclistjr.1943]

I bought set of carbon wheels from Aliexpress for my trail hardtail. Was especting them to break quickly but three years later they are still fine. And was quite heavy at the time - 89 kgs.

[@mattipeltola4934]

Interesting 🤔 Might still be a game of luck to some extent. Reviews on the pages, of course, offer some sort of certainty. Thanks for posting 👍

[@Johngott1971]

I still have a single speed bike I made up over 12 years ago, every time I pick it up, I can't believe how light it is compared to my other bike. It also stood idle for 8 years, when I got it back out, blow the tyres up, checked it over and away it goes. 26" wheels, Whyte Ti19 frame, maverick single crown upside down forks and Chris king hubs and head bearing. It will last longer than me !

[@snowman22ism]

I just buy stuff from my local bike shop. I need them there so I support them

[@hindesite]

Yeah, YMMV. My LBS wouldn't honor any warranty and prepaid servicing for a 4 month old second hand bike originally bought from them. Haven't been back since.

[@realmattdavis]

My local bike shop has dropped the ball on ordering one-off parts for me so many times though. I had some store credit and had them order me a part Nov 4th, in-stock at BTI(parts wholesaler) and ordered four packs of AliExpress stuff the same day. All my AliExpress stuff is in, but my chainring from LBS is not as of today. Last week when I called it was clear nobody had even put the order in. Agree with @hindesite that YMMV I owned a retail chain that needed to order parts and service stuff, so I get it, but I also don't think things should reach Texas from Guangzhou before they get here from Arizona. They also took two weeks to get a 2.4 Maxxis tire in for me, then first lost it -- and then sent it to the wrong location across town.

[@MrDstnyw]

@@snowman22ism servicing your own bikes is so much more satisfying and there is so much info online to do it the right way tho some times it dose go wrong and can be very expensive mistakes to make still good to learn tho watch a how to video and decide if you feel confident enough to diy

[@fredEVOIX]

1 is a thief and does zero support the other one I paid 180 for a small service and had to spend 2 days learning and setting up my gears myself afterwards...not great...also they all only sell Trek here which are way overpriced for what you get I would buy locally if they sold anything else than Trek or 12'000 Specialized

[@UltrafineDeluxe]

Support local, do not buy fake Chinese Amazon brand gibberish, Temu, Aliexpress, etc. Sink your own economy & wonder why the Chinese are buying up your neighbourhoods later.

[@ninjazzrhythm400]

Not going to pay 500 to 1k for something that will wear out in 1 to 2 years. I'll buy the product that's cheap but would last more than 2 years.

[@john_john_john]

@@ninjazzrhythm400 Well chinese will take care of the "cheap" part.

[@not-a-raccoon]

Found the maga.

[@PaulHudd-s9i]

Why don’t GMBN build a Temu bike👍 frame, forks headset, drive train, brakes the lot then hand it to whoever is hardest on their bikes to test! Not a product knocking exercise but just see what lasts what doesn’t what worked what didn’t 🤷🏼‍♂️ if enough things brake or wear out you’ve got a whole series of Temu bike or not😁

[@deadcandisco5974]

From my experience you can get great carbon products, even frames, from Aliexpress, but consumable parts like cassettes, shocks, and chains are garbage. They just don't last. I'm not sure why there is huge difference in quality, that's just my experience. I've bought a few different carbon frames from them and love them all. I also like the carbon handlebars, rims, and rigid forks. Don't waste your money on the suspension though, garbage as well.

[@ChrisBakerElToro]

My favorite pedals are $180 Diety TMac’s which I bought from my LBS. BUT after watching a video similar to this one I bought the AliExpress version for $47. CLEARLY copy’s but the only difference is they take a 6mm hex VS 8mm. Quality including the bearings are top notch and equal to the originals. As a matter of principle, I don’t think I’ll buy anything from Temu or AliExpress again though

[@randomradon]

If I ever get offered a discount to leave a good review, I immediately put that brand in the "Do not buy" category, because the product is probably garbage. Same with companies that suppress bad reviews.

[@fredEVOIX]

pro tip any company coming out of nowhere and spamming influencer ad money is fishy, you don't suddenly distribute 5-10-20'000USD to every single channel without making dirty money in the 1st place Kamikoto Established Titles (same company btw) etc...very easy to detect

[@drifterdogs]

I will NEVER buy a bike which can’t hold a water bottle.. Water is essential. Having it on your frame is better than some sweaty fanny pack. STOP IT!

[@edwards8383]

So you'll never buy a DH/FR bike 😅

[@InitialP_Photography]

So you don't mind possibly getting mud or dog shit on your external water carrier...... Okkkkkkk

[@MrDstnyw]

@@drifterdogs internal frame storage is a game changer too pump tube tools the freedom of not wearing a backpak is great

[@fredEVOIX]

water on bike is obsolete I do 7-10hrs rides you're not doing that with 1 bottle anyway, plus after making a front flip above the handlebar on rocks next to a glacier in the swiss alps I was very happy to have worn a small backpack with water bladder and with some cushion Terrex Aeroready Speed Hiking it saved my spine since then I mostly ride with one, this model is expensive outside of sales but has a well ventilated 3d shape which apparently doubles down as better than a shirt spine protection

[@MrDstnyw]

@@fredEVOIX yep long all day rides you definatly need a bak pak its nice to leave it at home for under 2hr rides tho

[@Superteastain]

I'm going to have a crack a TEMU rear mech. Worth a shot.

[@malv173]

I had the smallest sprocket on a lightweight cassette bought from AliExpress literally disintegrate on my as I was riding around a roundabout. Smashed my pedal into the floor and threw me OTB! Fortunately no cars anywhere near me, so I didn't die (obviously!) It wasn't particularly cheap either. I'm sticking to more well known brands for the time-being. Oh, I'm not exactly Sir Chris Hoy in the power department either!

[@MrDstnyw]

@@malv173 cheap,light,reliable you can only choose two

[@PansRocks]

50 year old life long cyclist - ridden all I can, Campag, Shimano, SRAM, steel, alloy, carbon, titanium etc I've used Advent and have some Sensah and LTWOO - the build quality is good for the price - we think there is magic inside the leavers but quite a simple ratchet - anything complicated is to get around patents which must be due to expire in the not too distant future. It'll rust a bit quicker but 105 and Ultegra do that as well. I've never had a good experience with warranty on any cycling product - most failures I've had are after a few months of use so they wash their hands of it pretty much, don't see any issue with China direct. Cycling has out priced itself in my view, I'm glad these brands exist now as it make cycling affordable again.

[@JonathanWhoever]

Yep. Rockshox refused to even look at month old fork. Said I had to ship it to them, pay for a 50hr service. Then they would trouble shoot the Motion Control. I think since it wasn't high end from a boutique shop they didn't care.

[@VicenteOcanaplus]

I am more a microshift type brands (underdogs totally underrated great products). My problem with ali is just reputation, I respect my integrity when it comes to a sport that has inherent physical danger associated with practice.

[@MatthewMabborang]

To answer your #quiz question, I think it’s Steve Peaty 🤔 As for this topic, I’m a bit skeptical in purchasing cheap MTB parts, unless it’s Shimano or Sram entry level MTB and gravel bike parts like Cues, Deore, Tiagra, Apex, NX, SX, etc. For me, the integrity and reputation of the brands really matters especially on support, warranty, durability, affordability, performance and the quality of these products to ensure the best experience on trails, gravel for (my) everybody’s enjoyment 😊

[@daviddawson4091]

More entertaining when Anna's there too.

[@wjguyeln]

I'll guess that Peaty's is named after Steve Peat, but I could be wrong.

[@joehoeper3941]

Owen is so good at the Tech show. I always watch any video he does.

[@realmattdavis]

I ordered a "690pt Engagement Hub" that was supposed to say NGEBUT on the side with their logo on AliExpress for $130usd shipped and five days later opened a package to find a seemingly 1:1 copy of an Industry 9 Hydra, good enough to fool most people WITH i9 logos on it. Within 15g of Hydra hub on rear, which I9 claims a 5% variance in posted weights so that's in spec, 3g difference in front. Tore it down and it's Enduro bearings and exact same parts measurements all the way through.

[@Feelgoodchubbz]

@@realmattdavis do you have that link? Lol

[@realmattdavis]

@Chubbzgolf if you can't find it off of what I've typed in my comment, you're not trying

[@tim__sadler]

#quiz - had to really think about this one. Steve Peat? Either way, ask him what Jacquie Phelan did on his Hall of Fame ride in Marin... I was with him at the time and his face was a peach 😂

[@creekboi7]

A friend of mine bought a drivetrain and hub from ali express, they lasted roughly a year and a half in the Colorado Rockies.

[@JeffMTBinVA]

If you have the skill to make a no name part work or just need something to trash go for it. I'm disappointed in YT switching up to a mixed drive train setup on the topend Capra. For $6K put the XO derailleur on it.

[@Sustrii]

The stoic with trash gear feels so right

[@iansingleton]

Hi Owen, what I've found with Chinese bike products is, if you're looking at buying from a decent Chinese brand, when you add it all up at the end theres not much difference to the more well known brands. As an example. Electronic "groupsets". Generally from a Chinese brand it wont be a complete group set, it'll just be a derailleur, chain, shifter and cassette. When you add all the other bits you come in at the same price point as Shimano or SRAM. Thats one thing. If you buy from a not known chinese brand its just crap. As you guys have pointed out in past videos. Production, quality and profit has a price. The only way you can get cheaper is by buying something that doesn't hit the mark. I think the Chinese brands that are serious in trying to create their own space in the market are doing well, thats great for us as consumers but sometimes I do feel like we westeners and our money are being used as guinea pigs.

[@Seppster58]

#QUIZ Easy one this week Owen. Peatys was founded by Steve Peat. Thanks for the excellent show.

[@emonty62]

With Canyon you get great batteries 😂

[@dandan1364]

Explosive comment.

[@murrijuana2842]

With Norco you get zero batteries.

[@robclemson325]

Hi, I fitted a TruTune is a plug-in carbon volume spacer to my Fox 38s on a Santa Cruz Nomad and absolutely loved the change that made my air Fork match the sensitivity of my shock (Cane Creek DB). Have you tried one and have any thoughts? Additionally, I fitted a Cascade Components rear link and that took a fantastic Nomad to another level - rear travel felt bottomless - like thoughts on Cascade too. We’ve come a long way from the hi-rite dropper I still have in my tool box. I’ve been riding MTB since my first Muddy Fox Courier in the 80’s to now - 61 have a Yeti Dirt Jump, Nomad & Transition TR500 for big days.

[@CharlesHailey-l8f]

I have ZERO "brand loyalty", so if a part works I will consider it. However, I value my local bike shop MORE THAN THE DISCOUNT I get from somewhere else. I want my LBS to stay in business. I need my LBS to stay in business. If my LBS thrives, so does my local cycling community. TEMU will not maintain a trail. Ali Express will not attend civic forums to advocate for bike lanes and signage. Am I limited to a certain brand? Possibly, but that's okay - that brand will work just fine, whether that be BMC or Canyon or Fuji or Trek or Giant, et al. I am not a pro, nor do I compete for podium position. I am a casual rider, and I support LBSs.

[@feedbackzaloop]

What if your LBS just stock up on things from Temu and Amazon? They know your needs and wants of the local society. You know, Canyon won't maintain your trails either, unless you live nearby Koblenz. Oh wait, Canyon is direct to consumer and doesn't care for LBS either! Even more of a counterargument: there is a Trek dealer in my town for some time and since then trials and bike lanes got flooded with overbiked underskilled riders who heavily abuse cycle-to-work scheme.

[@stevebennett3587]

😎32t front ring 11-42 1x10 is all i will ever need, may even consider 11-36 cassette, when the 11-42 wears out👍

[@jmo2752]

#quiz: Rob Warner.

[@jmo2752]

Jk. obvs.

[@mr.mastor]

peaty's it was founded by steve peat and is also named after him

[@01FozzyS]

Been buying from both for the past couple of years. Hit or miss for me but it's been mostly hit. Awaiting a set of Shimano MT200 brakes from Ali. We'll see how those turn out.

[@Paulklampeeps]

Cancel that mt200 the levers of those will just rust after a year. Get the mt201, it's basically the same but with aluminum levers

[@simonm1447]

​@@Paulklampeepsit depends where you live. I use MT 200s on 4 bikes and if you don't live near the coast and store the bike under a roof they do not start to rust significantly. In a very corrosive environment the aluminium levers may be a better option however.

[@manitolas]

iv got flats from ali for 15euro,synthetic composite ,use them since 2021,no problem at all and the pins are in place,also iv got front and rear lights,bib tights,thermal jacket,i can say im a chinese customer,and honestly i will continue,i dont think i will buy a groupset but stems,handlebars from their known brands are ok😃 i didnt bought carbon,only aluminium,and they are good after a lot of km's,i usually do about 3000-3500 km per year. mostly xc rides ,trail,gravel and tarmac,no dh.

[@tb4326]

Yeah, I’ll pass!

[@jmo2752]

If you can't afford genuine Shimano Deore, you shouldn't be bolting anything fundamental to your bike.

[@jackiegammon2065]

Personally,I would not buy from either company and for many reasons. I'm not going to spend less money hoping for the quality that I ride already, and have more time working on my bike than riding. With no support from whomever is building this product, I simply don't have an interest in going there or the confidence that it will last and do what it is designed to do. I am a shop owner, so my time to ride is very important to me and I'm not willing to sacrifice losing any of it for obviously less quality and less support. If I had all kinds of free time, maybe that would be something that I would consider... but time to ride is of the utmost importance to me.The GREAT Steve Peat...

[@hindesite]

$10 rotors are good value. Match them with $10 pads, you'll be fine.

[@ludowir]

I'm only buying some not important parts from those sites, as I don't trust them enough with the essential ones.

[@ahenrytheninth]

I'm I the US. Amazon has both disappointed and and made me happy. I've heard to many no support from the non us shippers, I still ride antecedent 2000yr, rides. Ellsworth, Rocky Mountain, its hard to find parts. But the shipping wait is to much for the same stuff that may or not work

[@ognyc6522]

Real men ride SS!

[@greengonzonz]

Ive had recent success with Ali express. Do your due diligence before purchasing but lets be real, you cant complain if it falls short of your expectations 😊

[@raisagil2897]

The Deore on my mtb, and the 105 on my road bike, are both from AliExpress, and they've both been flawless. I also run those same "PROIII E4" brakes on my mtb, and are the best brakes I've ever had, way better than the sram and shimano brakes I've tried.

[@simonm1447]

Are they really original from Shimano? Shimano parts are often cheaper from China, but i always hesitated to get Shimano stuff from there since I was not sure if I would get a knockoff instead.

[@raisagil2897]

@@simonm1447 comparing them to the oem Deore and 105 groupsets that came on my friends bikes, these are either original, or the copies are more reliable than the originals, lol

[@danielburke7012]

I've used cassettes from temu for a while now and there sound do the job last a good while in all weather's in the peak district

[@feedbackzaloop]

Jokes on you, my previous gropset was from ali, already past this phase. Now that legacy bike shops realized the competition, they offer sweet deals too.

[@riggedupgaming]

9:30 WOW that bike is pretty

[@philipcaldwell3187]

Counterfeit delivered directly to your home. If it sounds to good to be true it most certainly is.

[@ltrtg13]

When Owen said he was scared on a tandem. Martyn wan't on the front was he?

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I own two sets of Lewis and they're not a copy they have their own quirks and features, inspired yeah sure, copies of trickstuff? Nah BTW you made me dust off my box of single speed parts. Glad I did I found a missing Paul klamper 😂😅

[@lukebrewerton2852]

#quiz: The legend that is Steve Peat

[@craigbest8644]

More gravel and e bikes on this channel, you should really change your name 😜😂

[@Mike22313]

Not any country have support, or dealership of any bike brand. Not any diller are good diller. It's true for big brand too. So its up too luck any way

[@statom985]

supporting spares - shimano brakes...

[@MrDstnyw]

Cheap, light, reliable choose 1 maby 2 definatly not all 3😂

[@InitialP_Photography]

I've bought stuff off Temu, not bike stuff and all of it has been utter garbage and not fit for purpose or just blatant BS. It's not just a quality issue though, it's the ethical procedures and lack of safety protocol with products, I've bought things to house flammable items and within hours they've been utterly destroyed by the heat.

[@guyd4067]

Steve Peat is a legend?

[@sd5458]

For me personally, I'm okay to go with cheaper components from time to time , but it really depends on what the component is. If it is related to safety I.E brakes frame, virtually everything on the bike it seems then I'm not interested in cheap Chinese junk. I value my health over saving a buck. If its grips then ok.

[@MrDstnyw]

Ixf crank, LT woo shifter, balany cassette wake stem cheap chinease no issues genuine shimano chain derallieur and breaks tho

[@the_blair_bike_project]

My IXF crankset started creating after two years. Wasn't the BB or the chainring

[@MrDstnyw]

@the_blair_bike_project admitidly ive got shimano cranks on my trek and cube they are much better quality and 5mm shorter havent had a problem with the ixf yet on my gt tho when it dose fail i will go deore

[@DownHillgamer]

Wonder if those Shimano chains are real, want a new one for my xt 10 speed setup

[@kyleslater5245]

Nope. I’m not buying anything off temu. I still haven’t even bought anything off Amazon. I was worried enough about quality with Amazon. I know temu quality will be top of the um… nevermind. Single speed used to be a thing back in the day. I’m not riding that anymore. I’m riding a emtb more then anything else now so I me not single speed. But I’d love to see more single speed stuff it’s definitely more interesting to me then trials is maybe even more then gravel…

[@MrDstnyw]

Ive always used chinease cassettes never had a problem spendy spendy could be the answer to muddy winter rideing chew up that cheap stuff❤😂

[@maschalladiehuebsche]

Hahhaha temu commercial???? 😂

[@gmbntech]

Maybe watch the show 😅

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@gmbntech maybe don't lie by saying you had a chat in the comments and people said they couldn't find replacements or were concerned with IP when the reality was quite the opposite? Hope pads, universal fittings and licensed Clarks design.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

@@feedbackzaloop Thanks for sharing - but we did chat and do chat in the comments - we've chatted regularly too - but some folks weren't able to find spares - Again great to discuss this. Cheers Owen

[@deblashbrook3209]

I’m always sceptical with customer reviews

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@OwenBikeNerd yeah, there are all different views and levels of competence. And I am grateful for your engagement with us all! But I would still prefer when you present the case, the summary becomes the most unbiased and correct - in the end of the day you are the whole media, quite much trusted one!

[@wasifzihan4662]

GCN had the same title...change a bit dudes

[@KDog2264]

#triva answer is Steve Pete.

[@wasifzihan4662]

As an AliExpress buyer,

[@ninjazzrhythm400]

Ill never buy battery operated drive train. Withbthat said, i have nothing but good experiences with ztto 11 speed drive train. I think its a rebrand from sensah SLR pro.

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

No Temu or Ali for me!

[@billderas3420]

#askgmbn Steve Peat is the answer.

[@yasentube4061]

Steve Peat

[@dougcook3174]

idk how anyone could trust off-brand cranks lol

[@ph_12gunlancehunter64]

@@dougcook3174 in my country philippines, off brands are everywhere because of availability and cheapness. Like when a shimano deore derailer price can buy a whole Ltwoo groupset with freebies.

[@klklamsi7695]

NOT!

[@Icamas]

Steve Peat 🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@DNDinitials]

Steve peat

[@tb4326]

Asking honestly. Can anyone point to a product that started off on those websites and made it big or became a thing?

[@feedbackzaloop]

Maybe Ali is yet too young to present something as well established as Shimano, but LTwoo is definitely a big thing mostly if not exclusively thanks to Ali. Bitex hubs started selling through Ali too but soon gained enough trust and switched to traditional distribution path. Same with Pillar spokes, thing became as relevant as Sapim and almost impossible to buy directly now. On the side note, Trickstuff emerged from a Kickstarter campaign, also outside regular bikeshop distribution model.

[@lukebrewerton2852]

Pretty sure Lewis brakes started on one of them

[@riggedupgaming]

my last groupset was from aliexpress lol

[@ahenrytheninth]

I wear boots, sorry shoe maker

[@ahenrytheninth]

A tamdom fix,=deforce

[@matthewgrosser5712]

Are you wearing a toupee?

[@Jellytaco.]

#quiz Steve Peat

[@Rares-h-Bike_Shred]

first

[@High_Octane]

47th

[@agg25gga]

Buy cheap buy twice. Avoid cheap Chinese shit