What if Triple Finish was a Real Pokemon Move? 🔥💦🍆 Gnoggin | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Pokémon

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Lockstin & Gnoggin

Lockstin & Gnoggin

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@TalkingVidya
@TalkingVidya 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, if GameFreak added a move that always crits with a pokemon that hits trough protection, I don't see why they wouldn't do something as horrible as this
@dkznikolaj7013
@dkznikolaj7013 3 жыл бұрын
As someone that dislikes stall, im happy that added moves that always crit xD Stall would in my opinion be better if it wasn't because healing moves always healed so much.... Though, maybe they could have added an item that reduced healing instead for the opposing mon...
@cosmicrowlet2815
@cosmicrowlet2815 3 жыл бұрын
Like a Poisoned Leftovers?
@dkznikolaj7013
@dkznikolaj7013 3 жыл бұрын
@@cosmicrowlet2815 maybe? a held item that reduced healing from the enemy mon
@LobitaSpaumeadora
@LobitaSpaumeadora 3 жыл бұрын
@@dkznikolaj7013 you can trick a black sludge or sticky barbs or toxic/flame orb or if it's a stall Pokemon you can trick a choice band or something to have them locked in a single move
@dkznikolaj7013
@dkznikolaj7013 3 жыл бұрын
@@LobitaSpaumeadora That's true. Still, I'd like a more direct counter to it. Maybe some pokemon should have it as an ability rather than it being an item.
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 3 жыл бұрын
The dragon types that resists all 3 types: That's cute
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
Moustacheless man has arrived once more
@bonkt-9057
@bonkt-9057 3 жыл бұрын
Looks it it’s that one guy ya know that one guy
@Erifire
@Erifire 3 жыл бұрын
It's the one guy that we don't know there sub number lol
@shanedawndusk3290
@shanedawndusk3290 3 жыл бұрын
Hey it’s the guy who’s somehow subbed to everyone. How you doing bro? Also yeah that dragon would be saying that tho.🤣
@erebos42
@erebos42 3 жыл бұрын
That's on top of most dragons having a secondary type that also resists at least one of these. A mono dragon would take 1/8 damage. A dragon/flying (the most common combination) would take 1/16 damage since it resists grass twice. Ground dragons (Flygon, Garchomp, Zygarde) would be the most "it risk" from this move, taking a whopping 1/2 damage
@zachrodan7543
@zachrodan7543 3 жыл бұрын
dragon types be like "are you quite done yet?" as they sitting on a lawn chair with a cool drink...
@ProjectEchoshadow
@ProjectEchoshadow 3 жыл бұрын
But not too cool as they dislike adding any ice
@zachrodan7543
@zachrodan7543 3 жыл бұрын
no matter how you slice it, teamwork, team building, skill management, etc. is not going to help them when everything about what they are doing is resisted by dragons. I think there is also one other way to look at this, which is to consider the strengths of the three specific moves being used: fire blast, solar beam, and hydro pump; treat the attack as all three moves being used at once
@zachrodan7543
@zachrodan7543 3 жыл бұрын
@@ProjectEchoshadow good point... especially given that there are actually more dual-typed dragons with 4x weakness to ice than there are that are only 2x weak to ice... if ice was available earlier in pre-fairy type regions, or even just more available in general, it probably would have gone a long way towards balancing dragon types...
@erebos42
@erebos42 3 жыл бұрын
@@zachrodan7543 iirc, every game that has a dragon gym leader has and area to get ice pokemon before them. Plus ice type moves can be found early on in some solid water type pokemon The real problem is that ice is a glass cannon type that just makes a pokemon weaker overall just by having it. It has 4 weaknesses and they only type it resists is itself. In most cases, it's better to go without the STAB bonus in favor of not stacking on unnecessary weaknesses. The best combination with ice is water because it neutralizes 2 ice weaknesses without doubling down on at least one other. Though, this drags down the viability of the water pokemon because it no longer resists fire or steel only to gain doubling down on the existing ice resist. In reality, ice wouldn't be so bad if it resisted water and maybe grass as well
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@erebos42 and yet despite all of these flaws, I somehow still find people saying Grass is objectively the weakest type, solely due to its tie with Rock for most weaknesses, when Ice over here is too much of a glass cannon for its own good.
@Ubersupersloth
@Ubersupersloth 3 жыл бұрын
Before Watching: Surely it would be Normal because Tri-Attack is Normal.
@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257
@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 3 жыл бұрын
Tri-attack should be a dragon type move.
@adamburditt3941
@adamburditt3941 3 жыл бұрын
@@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 why do you say that? Elemental dragons or something?
@shadownyx1621
@shadownyx1621 3 жыл бұрын
@@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 but Tri-Attack is just a generic attack
@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257
@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadownyx1621 Something about it just feels like a dragon type move.
@luisvelez1952
@luisvelez1952 3 жыл бұрын
Try-Attack should have the type super effective and resistance of 🔥,❄️ and ⚡️ combined.
@diamondjub2318
@diamondjub2318 3 жыл бұрын
it's just a triple battle with the 3 pledge moves combined
@TheAnalyticalEngine
@TheAnalyticalEngine 3 жыл бұрын
Only stronger The comparison to Flying Press or Tri-Attack doesn't really work here. Those are both single moves, done by a single pokémon. Triple Finish is three separate moves, used by three separate pokémon, all fired at the same target - therefore, each move should have its relevant type's effectiveness applied separately Also, even if we ignore Beat Up, it would still be legal in a triple battle
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAnalyticalEngine ofc course it would still be legal since you can technically go recreate it in Gen V. Just get a Charizard, Ivysaur, and a Squirtle, and tell them to use Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam at a single target. Triple Finish would be considered a single move, and I see it working in the same way as a Z-move, being single use. The easiest fix is giving it the normal typing of Tri Attack, then giving it the "Guaranteed Super Effective" effect, similar to the guaranteed crits the Urshifu's have, so that it's always super effective regardless of the opposing pokemon's type.
@allen2reckless676
@allen2reckless676 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god I wasn’t the only one thinking this. Holy
@dasoupsoup
@dasoupsoup 3 жыл бұрын
Except it's Fire Blast, Solar Beam, and Hydro Pump, not the Pledge moves.
@ToastNova
@ToastNova 3 жыл бұрын
i thought it would be Hydro Cannon, Frenzy Plant, and Blast Burn at the same time
@SirWeibrot
@SirWeibrot 3 жыл бұрын
I know the "It's super effective" type chart at the end was just a joke, but what if the type chart worked like this under that logic: If one of the 3 types is super effective, the move hits super effective, if one of the types is resisted with none of them being super effective, it's resisted, if all are neutral it hits neutral (the logic being that the trainer/pokemon would know if one of them was super effective and focus on that specific type with the attack while lowering the other 2), here's the chart : Super effective on: Ground, Rock, Bug, Steel, Fire, Water, Grass, Ice Not very effective on: Flying, Poison, Dragon Neutral on: Normal, Fighting, Ghost, Psychic, Dark, Fairy
@prankstergengar4148
@prankstergengar4148 3 жыл бұрын
LOCKSTIN KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING WITH THE EMOJIS 😭😭😭😭😭
@As_The_Sun
@As_The_Sun 3 жыл бұрын
You didn’t know what you were doing g with your emojis
@Embiidisass72
@Embiidisass72 3 жыл бұрын
You are so right
@kidkinganime
@kidkinganime 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@shootymcshootfacekoff7972
@shootymcshootfacekoff7972 3 жыл бұрын
@@kidkinganime X;D X;D *
@handan3786
@handan3786 3 жыл бұрын
Read the emojis backwards
@RulerMyriam
@RulerMyriam 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda just assumed it was like the grass, fire, and water pledge attacks because those are made to stack with each other like Triple Finish does.
@somedumbo5665
@somedumbo5665 3 жыл бұрын
Quite literally what it is in triple battles (rest in peace: Gen 5 to Gen 6)
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 3 жыл бұрын
Why did they get rid of that battle format?
@somedumbo5665
@somedumbo5665 3 жыл бұрын
@@andresmarrero8666 Sun and Moon struggled to have 4 pokemon on screen at once (on the original 3ds anyways) so it was probably just hardware issues Plus I think it is was the least played format along side rotation battles
@nyahnyahson523
@nyahnyahson523 3 жыл бұрын
@@somedumbo5665 Basically this yeah. A lot of people think that they were the gimmick battle types of Gen 5 but that was actually this one weird disc battle thing.
@sirquixano5985
@sirquixano5985 3 жыл бұрын
So, triple finish becomes a multi attack moves, each attack with a different type? Its not completely faithful to the game, but its an idea.
@spindash64
@spindash64 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think that’s how Tri Attack should work: 30 BP of Fire, Electric, Ice. I understand some normal types might lose a good Stab, but just hand Hyper Voice out and you can split the difference
@TheStarsTwilight
@TheStarsTwilight 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking! Surprised this wasn't covered.
@willjackson5885
@willjackson5885 3 жыл бұрын
@@spindash64 Keeping it Normal STAB would be a cool way to give normal types move coverage
@sirenstrike4163
@sirenstrike4163 3 жыл бұрын
I always imagined it would be a multi-hit move, always hitting three times with each hit being a different typing. Wouldn't have to worry about immunities canceling the whole move as nothing is immune to the three types. Even though these moves individually are around base 120 power, I'd like to think each hit would be base 40 power.
@woomod2445
@woomod2445 3 жыл бұрын
Came to say the same, that it (and tri-beam) should be hit each time. While that's similiar to the 2nd chart, it feels more right, three pokemon each using a move = three attacks.
@youngblackmamba
@youngblackmamba 3 жыл бұрын
Flash Fire, Water Absorb, Sap Sipper
@sinteleon
@sinteleon 2 жыл бұрын
@@youngblackmamba Which is only relevant to triple battles, which granted, you do need 3 mons to perform this.
@VerySmartPerson
@VerySmartPerson Жыл бұрын
I figure it would work like the three pledges (grass pledge, fire pledge, water pledge) (80 damage) with a tri attack chance (6.67%) of each additional effect (boosted additional effect odds, opponents' half speed for 4 turns, 1/8 of opponents' max hp for 4 turns). Edit: It would be either typeless or the average of the three effectiveness multipliers.
@exzyyd392
@exzyyd392 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, even if it gets resisted and stuff it might just have a ridiculously high base power. Like hitting a level 1 water type with a level 100 fire blast isn't going to be completely useless
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
My idea is for it to be a single use Normal type move, like a Z-move, that is always super effective, so 2X weakness for every pokemon.
@exzyyd392
@exzyyd392 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bapringles It would make sense for Red and Leaf to have unique stuff like that based on friendship/bonds/whatever too
@tanookitrainwreck4262
@tanookitrainwreck4262 3 жыл бұрын
"Coperate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures" 🍆 🌱 Lockstin: "their the same picture"
@starsilverinfinity
@starsilverinfinity 3 жыл бұрын
Alternative Take: The move just assigns the most effective damage type to the damage calculations, which calls in line with the idea that parts of the attack are "dialed down" while one exceeds depending on the opponent
@Ubersupersloth
@Ubersupersloth 3 жыл бұрын
There is the argument for Dragon or Fairy type since it’s powered by a magical ball of energy. Pure Magic, even.
@PantaroParatroopa
@PantaroParatroopa 3 жыл бұрын
Not just any energy, but the Gen 6 plot device that Lockstin is a huge fan of, Infinity Energy. Lucario and Mewtwo Mega Evolve for their Final Smashes, and Charizard too in Smash 3DS/Wii U, and Infinity Energy is what makes Mega Evolution possible.
@marcusferro7588
@marcusferro7588 3 жыл бұрын
Long answer: it’s a convoluted mess of comparing flying press to triple finish Short answer: it’s the just pledge moves combined
@misterzygarde6431
@misterzygarde6431 3 жыл бұрын
I feel there was a missed opportunity for Charizard to Mega Evolve while using Triple Finish in Ultimate
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly would've liked that too
@omarferdous1671
@omarferdous1671 3 жыл бұрын
He's already the only fully evolved one. don't you get tired of charizard?
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@omarferdous1671 I do to, but he had the mega in 4, why take it away? He's the only one capable of Mega evolving anyways in the group
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@scapegoatmiller9110 and I don't disagree. But it's a Final Smash, and all the pokemon who can Mega use it in their final smash except Charizard. It's not like it would alter the game much, simply an aesthetic change with Mega Zard X and a blue Fire Blast. It's meant to be the Ultimate move (had to) a fighter can use, so knowing Charizard can go further but doesn't just feels like a cop-out.
@sanse9
@sanse9 3 жыл бұрын
I can see triple finish being a 50 base power move that always hits 3 times, with each hit being a different type. That way the resulting total damage would be equal to a 150 base power move with the average weakness/resistance multiplier
@lunerblade13
@lunerblade13 3 жыл бұрын
Before smash this was the climax of the confrontation between red green and blue against team rocket in the pokespe manga.
@AbsolXGuardian
@AbsolXGuardian 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I was really suprised that Lockstin didn't mention it. Because the way it works is very clear. It's just one Pokemon being hit by Frenzy Plant, Hydro Pump, and Blaze Burn all at once by three different pokemon. Very rough, and would only be legal in a no-holds barred battle againist the evil team or in the Triple Battle Format. Another rule is that if all three attack touch eachother, they cancel out.
@theflyingscotsman3027
@theflyingscotsman3027 3 жыл бұрын
Saying first would be dishonorable, so I’m gonna say “Great Vid Lockstin!”
@georgesikorski9891
@georgesikorski9891 3 жыл бұрын
Liking your comment at 69 would be far more dishonorable. I shall allow none harm to this like button
@taconitcat464
@taconitcat464 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the strongest grass type move eggplant
@awesomewott1433
@awesomewott1433 3 жыл бұрын
When I was younger I used to think they said "Triple B!tch!". Keep in mind i didn't know that was a swear word😂
@lasagna3289
@lasagna3289 3 жыл бұрын
you really put an eggplant in there i reapect it
@alolan_ace
@alolan_ace 3 жыл бұрын
what if it was a move that hit 3 times and used a different types' effectivenesses on each time, so for example it hits with fire damage, then water damage, then grass damage
@DwanAnimation
@DwanAnimation 3 жыл бұрын
I swear he’s just pushing how far he can go with these titles without getting his channel terminated
@jennifergriel861
@jennifergriel861 3 жыл бұрын
The idea that PT’s FS is a dark type move makes me lol and idkw.
@superspider64
@superspider64 3 жыл бұрын
The way I could see it being balanced is that it's a once-per-battle type of move only available in triple battles, and if you use the move then all 3 of your pokemon use up their turn because all 3 of them just used moves with massive power
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
Triple battles have become obsolete. Thanks, GameFreak.
@superspider64
@superspider64 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bapringles then what a perfect way to reintroduce them with triple-battle themed super attacks
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@superspider64 they have no need to, considering they already have the "Pledge" moves for Double battles.
@superspider64
@superspider64 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bapringles Well this will take it one step beyond
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@superspider64 no, just make it a single use move, like a Z-move, give it the normal typing like Tri Attack, and make it so it's always a flat 2X effectiveness, regardless of the opposing pokemon's type
@PranavS167
@PranavS167 3 жыл бұрын
Those emojis in the title make the video seem kinda weird at first glance lmao
@logans.7932
@logans.7932 3 жыл бұрын
The emojis in the title imply that Lockstin will make you Triple Finish. How kind, yet also tiring.
@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977
@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977 3 жыл бұрын
I always imagined it would calculate each one separately, first calculate fire damage, then water, then grass, and add them up. The difference with flying press is that this is really three separate elements in one whilst flying press contains the essence of fighting and flying in one.
@dynamicdingo1202
@dynamicdingo1202 3 жыл бұрын
How i liked to think of it is that the strongest type of triple finish. Instead of thinking that charizards attack would weaken the whole attack against a rock type think of it as charizards attack helping deal extra damage with ivy and squirt. The whole thing is supposed to be positive. Instead of thinking "aww charizards attack isnt that effective compared to the other two!!" Focus on the one that is the most effective in any given situation whether its zards ivys ot squirts
@SquidSystem
@SquidSystem 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's best to take it quite literally as Red or Leaf initiating a Triple Battle against whatever's in front of them, so it's basically 3 distinct attacks, just hitting you all at once.
@omarjimenez6861
@omarjimenez6861 3 жыл бұрын
Lowkey disappointed the Water Grass and Fire Pledges were completely ignored. I know those aren't the moves being used in Triple Finish, but we could've still acted as if crossing the beams did something more other than amplify the damage
@guyman1009
@guyman1009 2 жыл бұрын
I think the simplest way to think about it is that all three types hit the target separately, just at the same time.
@castform7
@castform7 3 жыл бұрын
4:38 Actually I think these are just trainers who look like them. If they aren't, why didn't they just they're actual names?
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
No they're canonically Red and Leaf, just they didn't feel like naming them.
@Frogboyaidan
@Frogboyaidan 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bapringles red and green or blue
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@Frogboyaidan pardon? I'm assuming that you meant that the female trainer's name was Green or Blue, and to that I say no. Blue is canonically "Gary" and is Red's rival, and it hasn't yet been confirmed if Leaf and Green are the same person
@velvetbutterfly
@velvetbutterfly 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bapringles it largely is. There's a girl named Blue in the manga (named green in english) and due to her being the design basis for the female character in FRLG (dubbed Leaf) fans named her Leaf Green / Green Leaf as a first/last name. I also feel like they were left unnamed in Smash because they are avatar characters like Villager or Inkling. They could have instead been named Mayor and Agent 3 or other names seen in ads.
@Bapringles
@Bapringles 3 жыл бұрын
@@velvetbutterfly yes we can put pieces together and say that Green and Leaf are the same person, but it hasn't outright been confirmed. Do agree that is the most likely reason they didn't name them, however.
@Nameless_mixes
@Nameless_mixes 3 жыл бұрын
This is basically just Alliance attacks in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series lol All of your Pokemon use a selected move from their moveset and they each attack the opponent. However, they do all count as three separate attacks instead of one fused attack in synergy with each other.
@Rhyzilla
@Rhyzilla 3 жыл бұрын
Lockstin do a video explaining why each nature effects the stats
@Masterswordobjection
@Masterswordobjection 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, but can we talk about this move's base power, and the fact that Charizard is using multiple fire blasts at the same time? Even IF dragon 8x resisted this move, that's gonna be a solid chunk of damage.
@FrackinFfoxglove
@FrackinFfoxglove 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but the way the pokemon in smash execute triple finish has always been really weird to me. I mean, charizard in fire blasting behind ivysaur, and ivysaur is solar beaming behind squirtle, shouldn't they all just be obliterating each other?
@_G.C
@_G.C 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted amiibo support for pokemon, so we could get these pokemon with boosted stats if we had their amiibo. Squirtle with a speed boost, ivysaur with a boost in his special attack, and charizard with a boost in attack
@mattwo7
@mattwo7 3 жыл бұрын
4:17 Against rock and ground like Golem and Onix or ice and ground (exclusively the swinub line) it's 6x effective, which isn't even a thing. A parasect with Dry Skin is 5x weak to fire due to the 25% increase in weakness and some pokemon when inflicted with Forest's Curse are 8x weak to fire.
@bridgeseller7004
@bridgeseller7004 3 жыл бұрын
Uh, what? It's still 8x. Rock is 2x weak, Ground is 4x weak. Why did you add instead of multiplying?
@darkcloak100
@darkcloak100 3 жыл бұрын
People thoughts about them removing triple and rotation battles
@Animemus
@Animemus 3 жыл бұрын
They were unique and fun. Wish there were more mandatory battles that included Triple and Rotation Battles. Something something GEN 5 remakes and whatnot.
@MidnyteSketch
@MidnyteSketch 3 жыл бұрын
I think Triple Finish would just be similar to a Z-move, you only get one per battle but it would be very strong because it would always be super effective.
@Vgy1592
@Vgy1592 3 жыл бұрын
As much as I love the idea of more moves like flying press, I'd guess we're unlikely to see more. I feel like it's not a coincidence that Flying Press can never hit any given type 4x. It's fairly possible that a combination that could potentially exceed 4x against the right Pokemon might have complications in the actual code. Or otherwise just be too strong -- A particularly tanky Pokemon might be able to handle a 4x effective move, but against an 8x or worse, it's pretty screwed. I thought a lot about this, back in the day, while thinking "Muddy water should be like flying press!" Before realizing how broken it would be if it *were.* Water and ground share advantages against two different types!
@corneliusmcmuffin3256
@corneliusmcmuffin3256 3 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that there's an entire festival where a bunch of people get together to spell out "BIG" on top of a hill using torches.
@PedroHenrique-ly4yz
@PedroHenrique-ly4yz 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Lockstin, could make a part 2 of every Smash Bros character in pokemon type? But only the DLC fighters
@velvetbutterfly
@velvetbutterfly 3 жыл бұрын
He probably will when the final one is revealed
@PedroHenrique-ly4yz
@PedroHenrique-ly4yz 3 жыл бұрын
@@velvetbutterfly I thought on adding that in my comment, but I didn't know how to put it 😆
@cullenhutchison6528
@cullenhutchison6528 3 жыл бұрын
I personally think Tri-Attack should use averages since one Pokémon is essentially firing 3 different types of attacks in one turn. Its single-type effectiveness chart would then be: -Flying: 5/3 (1.67) -Grass: 3/2 (1.5) -Bug: 4/3 (1.33) -Steel, Ice: 7/6 (1.17) -Electric, Rock: 5/6 (0.83) -Fire: 2/3 (0.67) -all other types: neutral (1) so it would not be a bad move whatsoever, being purely an upgrade from simply being normal type except for being resisted slightly by electric and fire. (Note: for dual types, multiplication of type effectiveness only works for each individual third and not necessarily the entire move; for example, a grass/flying type would take 7/3 or 2.33 times the damage instead of 5/2 or 2.5 times.) As for STAB, you could either calculate each third of the move separately or just give normal types STAB with it since the move would likely still be normal type; however, I think it should be able to hit ghost types since they are not immune to fire, ice, or electric.
@ConsentBird
@ConsentBird 3 жыл бұрын
I added up the damage of the 3 moves and got 340, plus the x2 cause it’s always super effective and it’s 680.
@CassiDS
@CassiDS 3 жыл бұрын
6:21 haha that chart looks like it's flipping the bird!
@zinx43267
@zinx43267 3 жыл бұрын
Triple Finish: *works like Flying Press* Mamoswine and all the Rock/Ground Pokemon: *nervous sweating*
@Nosretep
@Nosretep 3 жыл бұрын
340 BP(360 prior to Gen IV) In games it ignores Flash Fire,Sap Sipper and Storm Drain. It either does Neutral or Super Effective damage. Sp.Atk drops drastically. This move is extremely lethal against Mamoswine.
@Nosretep
@Nosretep 3 жыл бұрын
It'll do a lot of damage regardless.
@morrigankasa570
@morrigankasa570 3 жыл бұрын
If they made a Tri-Attack similar to the Triple Finish that can be a TM taught to multiples that perhaps has a Random result that can burn or paralyze or confused.
@LeviAEthan512
@LeviAEthan512 Жыл бұрын
6:47 this man just explained the Holy Trinity
@bigpoggers6507
@bigpoggers6507 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, don't underestimate it. It beat the crap out of a fusion of all 3 legendary birds in the Pokémon Adventures manga. That was sick.
@agentrikamcgee
@agentrikamcgee Жыл бұрын
This might just be me being more of an anime/manga fan than a video game fan, but I always thought that if they were going to implement Triple Finish in the games, they'd go the Adventures/PokeSpe route and have it be a combi of Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon, which were the original signature moves of the starters. It's usually the "ultimate move finisher" for the protagonists in the manga- the one that sticks out to me is the one from the Emerald arc where all the protagonists up to that point use a triple Triple Finish (three groups of starters using their respective moves) plus a triple Volt Tackle to take down a fake Kyogre created by a Jirachi wish.
@hi-i-am-atan
@hi-i-am-atan 3 жыл бұрын
something to consider is that even if a lot of types would resist it, it would also have like 110 + 110 + 120 = 340 base power so even when hitting for half damage it'd still be the equivalent of a unresisted move with ... 170 base power and yes, that's how the damage formula works out. double kick is functionally a 60 base power move, bullet seed hitting thrice is functionally a 75 base power move, etc. so hitting something with fire blast, hydro pump, and solar beam simultaneously would equate to a move with their summed base power before type match ups. the only way it gets more complicated than that is if you treated it as if it was being used by _three different pokemon_ with their individual stats and levels and etc. kinda like beat up
@exiel2740
@exiel2740 3 жыл бұрын
Remember the three tutor moves made for triple battles that increased in power as you used them in tandem with each other?
@Syogren
@Syogren 3 жыл бұрын
I think the difference between Triple Finish and Flying Press is, the flying and fighting properties of Flying Press are perfectly melded, meaning the multiplication makes sense. Triple Finish, however, is three differently typed attacks hitting at the same time, so averaging would probably work better. In fact, Tri-Attack could probably be retyped this way as well.
@philipray5421
@philipray5421 3 жыл бұрын
Easiest fix that comes to mind is making the base type of the move be the one of the Pokémon that used it (Grass, Water, and Fire. Not counting Poison and Flying.) Also you could get triple finish legally in a triple battle if you make all three Pokémon target a single one (provided it doesn't faint during attacks).
@QuintaFeira12
@QuintaFeira12 3 жыл бұрын
Lockstin didn't even consider a possibility: That Triple FInish is NOT one move, but three separate ones. Well, technically, he did, when he made the averages chart, however, he didn't fully explore the idea. If triple finish did literally function as all three moves, a multi-attack hitting three times for each type, calculated separately, then it would have gargantuan coverage. The only question left would be figuring out the base power for each hit.
@steel5315
@steel5315 3 жыл бұрын
"Watch out sandshrew" *Every Rock Ground type shivering in the corner*
@SoməøneXD
@SoməøneXD 3 жыл бұрын
the water and eggplant make me uncomfortale though, onto the video now, i always saw triple finish as a z-move esque move, being a super-powerful once per battle attack being super effective against everything seems cool, but maybe it could be considered a move that hits 3 times, each time being a different type?
@jalencurtis7222
@jalencurtis7222 3 жыл бұрын
Sending out other pokemon for a finishing move should be a pokemon mechanic like mega-evolution or dynamaxing. The different combinations in which you could do would be so cool and add another layer of strategy.
@MagusAgrippa8
@MagusAgrippa8 3 жыл бұрын
Triple Finish might be inspired by the Manga. In the pokemon adventures manga, Blue, Red, and Green band together with their fully evolved starters to strike the fused bird Zapmolcuno with a powerful elemental blast. It was some combination of Flamethrower, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam if I'm not wrong. Maybe Saur used Vine Whip, I dunno. Either way it broke the fusion. Later on, once gen 3 mechanics came in, this Triple Finish was replaced by them using the elemental hyper beams all at once. Even had some Volt Tackles coming in. Pretty cool scene, they blew up a energy construct Kyogre.
@draikken_
@draikken_ 3 жыл бұрын
Logically I would go with the average effectiveness rather than the combined, since Triple Finish is hitting the opponent with three individual moves. For Flying Press it makes sense for it to be combined since it's one move that combines the types; it's not hitting the opponent with both a fighting impact and a gust of wind, it's hitting the opponent with a fighting impact boosted by wind power.
@HI42YT
@HI42YT 3 жыл бұрын
Love the use of emojis in the title
@RaiuTree
@RaiuTree 3 жыл бұрын
To me, what would make the most sense to make it a super move in-game: it uses the highest effectiveness of any of its component types or types combos. So, against fire, it would be x2; against dragon, x0.5; against rock, x4; etc.
@kingofflames738
@kingofflames738 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the next main series title has a "Triple Finish" gimmick. Basically like the Z-attacks, but when you use it you choose 2 (or 1 depending on the fight) Pokémon aside from the currently active one and choose an attack for each. If you have less Pokémon than required it will be significantly weaker or not possible at all, one of the two.
@TheBasedTyrant
@TheBasedTyrant 3 жыл бұрын
It would suck against most Pokemon, but luckily most fighters in Super Smash Bros aren't Pokemon and don't have types. Also unlike Pokemon, in real life you can't be immune to one source of damage because your immune to another simultaneous source, that's just a weird technicality that applies in Pokemon, for example if I'm squirted with a water gun at the same time I'm blasted with a flamethrower (both with related moves in Pokemon), I won't be immune to the fire.
@CobraDarius
@CobraDarius 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I think the move could work like triple axel, having multiple attacks (three of them) with each attack having a different property of either grass, water or fire. I don't know how the battles are coded so STAB, type effectiveness and damage calculations might already be set from the first hit, but I think it would be more simple for players if the move was split into three separate hits rather than combining them
@GreyVictory1510
@GreyVictory1510 3 жыл бұрын
I would calc tripple finish as three seperat attacks hitting at the same time. Flying Press is one move from one Pokemon while Tripple Finish is composed of three moves, one for each Starter Pokemon.
@riicky83
@riicky83 3 жыл бұрын
Well when Ash's Squirtle learned Hydro Pump, it retracts its head, arms and legs into its shell and spins whilst firing water from all five shell holes. That might be why the game makes it look like a swirl of water.
@fudge_deer
@fudge_deer 3 жыл бұрын
fun fact: in the manga a similar move was used(blast burn, frenzy plant, and hydro cannon) and they all cancelled each other out so it would not do any damage(they were trying to get unown off a boat motot so they could go to a different island)
@elementalchampions2748
@elementalchampions2748 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t you just… a three hit attack but one is fire, one is grass, and one is water.
@fernandomendoza4219
@fernandomendoza4219 3 жыл бұрын
Do the people who pre ordered the Tofrug plush before the delay also get the Tofrug card? 🤞
@acehealer4212
@acehealer4212 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe Triple Finish could be a multi-hit move. One hit does Water damage, then Grass damage, and the third and final hit does Fire damage. Though I still don’t really know how it could be incorporated into the game. Do you need one each of Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander in your party in order to use it? That might be inconvenient, at least for a normal move. Another commenter suggested it could be like a Z-Move instead, or maybe a Partner Power like the Let’s Go games. I think that does work - Extreme Evoboost makes the eight Eeveelutions appear, even if none of them are in your party. So you have your Kanto starter Pokémon out, you use Triple Finish, then the other two appear just for the attack, whether or not you have them in your party.
@arthurdias6860
@arthurdias6860 3 жыл бұрын
It could be a ZMove, that always is Super effective if the opponent is weak to Grass, Fire or Water. The type of ZMove would depend of the Pokemon using it, being fire for charizard, water for squirtle, and grass for ivysaur. And you would need 3 pokemon with the attacks present in the Triple Finish: Fire Blast, Solar Beam and Hydro Pump.
@emilydioptase
@emilydioptase 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would just make more sense as a multi hit move. Hit once for grass type damage, then again for fire type damage, then again for water type damage.
@cobaltprime9467
@cobaltprime9467 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a gimmick I could get onboard for a combo attack. Like the triple finish, but it’s a one time attack of 2-3 Pokémon. When you have 3 Pokémon that are compatible, you can perform a super attack. Like Z moves but… idk there’s 3 types in the attack. If you have the 3 starters and you’re against a rock type, fire doesn’t do much anything but water and grass do .25 more damage each. You have to have Pokémon that are compatible, like all the starters, no repeat types and it’s based on their primary type. Like Gardevoir would have a psychic attack not fairy, and ironically wouldn’t be compatible with Gallade since fighting is the secondary. But it can go with Sirfetched and Clefairy for a psychic, fighting, and fairy triple attack.
@mr.krustykrust
@mr.krustykrust 3 жыл бұрын
Triple finish was sort of implemented into mystery dungeon via alliance attacks and was a super cool mechanic
@guyonasofa2318
@guyonasofa2318 3 жыл бұрын
The way that beat up works isn't that all of the Pokemon's attacks are combined into 1 move, they each get their separate turn. And if we look at the animation for triple finish, the Pokemon are using different moves at the same time, individually, instead of, say, combining 3 beams into 1 big beam. So the way i think it could work is by having Charizard use a fire attack, then Ivysaur uses a grass attack, then Squirtle uses a water attack, in the same way that beat up does, just with each hit having a different type instead of them all being dark type. But that's just my two cents.
@darklordofsword
@darklordofsword 3 жыл бұрын
Just gonna put it out there; make it a mechanic tied to that stupid Pledge move triad. Treat it like Beat Up; if a pokemon uses a Pledge move, any other pokemon on your team that knows a Pledge move will join the attack.
@thishandleisntakenyethaha
@thishandleisntakenyethaha 3 жыл бұрын
lockstin really took some uh creative liberties with the emojis in the title huh
@Savariable
@Savariable 3 жыл бұрын
Idea. It's a multihit attack, with the average base power of fire blast, solar beam, and hydro pump, divided by 3, hits one hit with water, then grass, then fire. That definitely feels like how pokemon would do it if they did. But also I feel with how this move is in smash bros, maybe instead triple finish... Is a triple battle move, but that feels weak. I feel like what they should do is add it as a special move to use when you do a rotation battle. Where you can choose an attack from each of your 3 pokemon out to all use on the 1 the opponent has out. That genuinely feels like a fun addition they could add if they brought back rotation battles. And I already think they should. It functioning as a rotation battle move honestly seems like the best option in my opinion, but I feel like my first choice would be more likely a choice game freak would make, being they cut triple battles and never looked back.
@LuckyArceus
@LuckyArceus 3 жыл бұрын
You could just make it be a move exclusive to triple battles, only happening when the exact same 3 moves are selected in a single turn in-battle. Much better than what you came up with IMO.
@ARandomMinecraftVillager
@ARandomMinecraftVillager 3 жыл бұрын
I would also suggest something like this (also for triple attack to make its typing make more sense) A multiattack move, like double-slap or double kick, that hits three times, one is fire, one is grass and the other is water (fire ice and electric for tri attack) This would rule out cases like rock being only x2 instead of x4 (or ground's immunity to electric in tri attack's case)
@professorshyguy5173
@professorshyguy5173 3 жыл бұрын
Another method would be to make it a multi-hit move which has a different typing on each hit, they could attack at the same time but each hit can be calculated individually
@ren_suzugamori1427
@ren_suzugamori1427 3 жыл бұрын
I looked at the chart before Lockstein added the Smash effective description assumption, and I gotta say, Grass-Type was the type holding the move back. 7 of the available types resist it for Arceus' sake!
@demi-femme4821
@demi-femme4821 3 жыл бұрын
I would just make it so that it uses Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam separately. It's three different moves being used at the same time, it's not like Flying Press where it is one individual move.
@GeorgeDCowley
@GeorgeDCowley 3 жыл бұрын
It would be a three-hit move with a different type for each hit. Because it's a fused type, not two attacks. Side note, I could have sworn Flying Press was a Fighting type move that dealt super effective damage against Flying types. You pulled that out of nowhere.
@lmaobox4068
@lmaobox4068 3 жыл бұрын
It could be like single strike urshifu’s move where it's always a crit despite crits being random It could be this move is always super effective despite that not logically making sense
@JayStorm199
@JayStorm199 3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the Pokemon XYZ? They combine all their moves into one White/Rainbow beam in the battle against Lysandre Zygarde
@LordofDestruction123
@LordofDestruction123 3 жыл бұрын
3 moves, each with at least 120 base power, plus STAB. Dragons are probably the only thing surviving it without defensive setup, especially if we assume the Charizard actually does 5 or 6 fire blasts as depicted in the animation.
@simplepeacock729
@simplepeacock729 3 жыл бұрын
Triple finish is use in the pokespe manga during the emerald arc using the move blast burn, hydro cannon and frenzy plant.
@Agent719
@Agent719 3 жыл бұрын
As I've seen other people point out, Triple Finish is a team-attack from three pokemon performing one move each, unlike Flying Press and Tri Attack. So honestly, I think the "each move does a third of the total damage" is probably the right way to go. And since each of those moves is a 120 base power move, Dragon-types can still get wrecked by it.
@aaajeear8654
@aaajeear8654 3 жыл бұрын
not really, dragon types would receive 12.5% of the damage thanks to their 3x resistance, which means that even with the combined base power reaching 340, it would get reduced to a pathetic 39.1 base power, just as strong as scratch.
@sharkinamaiddress1011
@sharkinamaiddress1011 3 жыл бұрын
I imagined it would only use one type at a time, like it shows what type would do the most damage and use that, and if none use the most damage it would just use the stab version of the move
@Darkrai4294
@Darkrai4294 3 жыл бұрын
Math teacher here. I love it when you include math in our videos. I do Pokemon stuff in my classes, and it’s cool when I can have them watch your video at the end. Sometimes they find mistakes, which is awesome.
@Just_Shaun
@Just_Shaun 3 жыл бұрын
I always assumed it would just have a similar effect to using the starter Pokémon pledge moves Where there are additional effects when you use multiple in a double battle
@AlexTrevell
@AlexTrevell 3 жыл бұрын
There are team moves that work together in special ways like the pledge moves, too.
@starguardianbasi2938
@starguardianbasi2938 3 жыл бұрын
You could have also used the link attack logic from Mystery Dungeon. Since the move could be considered Solar Beam, then Hydro Pump, then Fireblast. Essentially making the move a triple hit attack (like triple Axel) with a different type each time.
@kstanni87
@kstanni87 3 жыл бұрын
Solarbeam is a Fire Type move so the Triple Finish technically is only a Water and Fire type move. It just happens that a lot of Grass Pokemon can learn Solarbeam since it was a signature move for Venusaur in Gen 1.
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