Gorilla mum Effie showing her love for baby Venus

[@vjc2270]

Oh my heart❣ It's so wonderful to see these two sharing such a loving moment. I think Effie had a tough time just after Venus was born, but it seems she's fallen in love with her strong, confident little girl.🥰 And who can blame her - Baby V is just the sweetest little thing. 😍🤩 Thanks for sharing this beautiful video. 🙏😃

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@vjc thankyou for your comment and for watching my videos

[@chaotic_gamer1642]

Thank you for your time and $ to bring us these videos. I love watching this Troop.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@chaotic_gamer1642, thank you for watching and commenting. I would love it if you liked it enough to 'like' and press the subscribe! I am never going to say the standard 'hit the like button'. It feels strange that I'm even asking people to! (This channel is one month old today!). As I've stated in most replies, please ask questions if you have any, and again, I appreciate that you watched the video. Have a wonderful day.

[@lesliewallace9665]

❤❤❤❤ she is so beautiful

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@lesleywallace, thank you for watching the video. I have lots more footage to release of Effie and Venus, that were lovely to watch. Please feel free to ask any questions if you want to know what was happening around the two while I filmed.i hope you enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks again 😊

[@lesliewallace9665]

@@Ape_Appreciation thank you for doing this. Your bringing a lot of joy to everyone!!

[@neptunes3279]

Effie looks content with her sweet baby. Venus appears to be gaining more confidence. She knows she can run back to mum if she gets into trouble. It's lovely to see Effie interacting with and caring for her little girl. Venus is soooo incredibly cute. 💖💖🦍

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@neptunes3279, thank you for watching. I totally agree with you. On Monday this week, I watched her climb to the top of the branch, which is situated near where they climb to go to their private quarters. Effie was watching from below and then had to help her down. She loves swinging with one arm! Hopefully, I can publish the videos soon. I am extremely slow at editing as my channel has only been running one month today!! Please press the like button if you enjoyed this video, and if you subscribe (if you haven't yet), I would appreciate a subscribe. Have a great day, and get some sunlight if you are infact a chaotic gamer 😎. (Please take that as a joke 🫣 as it was intended)

[@neptunes3279]

@Ape_Appreciation 😂😂😂 I'm already a subscriber. I love all these videos and look forward to watching little Venus climb and swing. Thank you for sharing.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

​@neptunes3279 thank you. I haven't had time to look who has subscribed. I think I have asked you before now and you did tell me, I think but like I said at the moment I have no idea who has. Thank you so much. I have some lovely videos from this Monday. If I've already told you that, I'm sorry:( I'm not a very organised person!!

[@Jabali4]

I was one of those people who became nuts when those horrible videos came out. They were shocking. However, I see now that I rushed to judgment. I'm relieved to see she's not being abused by her sister. Thank you a million times over. I'm going to subscribe!

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@nstien5866, thank you for watching, commenting, and reading through other comments. It is very much appreciated. Venus is fine. This ⁴Monday a spent a good amount of hours watching and filming. Effie was far more loving towards Venus than ever before. I also felt a small shift with Venus. She was climbing very high at times and just didn't feel so much that she was a baby. Juno also seems 'older'. I haven't been able to film Juno and Mjukuu much over the last month. I think they go to their private area or behind the tree logs, I'm not sure how to describe this, the climbing frame has lots of tree trunks, and we can't see behind it well. Not with my camera, really. But I have a lot to upload of Effie and Venus so watch this place and please like and subscribe if you like my videos. I also always appreciate comments, although it's taken time to get used to the negative comments. Have a lovely evening and thank you 😊

[@SSS-cj7hz]

@@Ape_Appreciation. Thank you. I hope you can get video of Juno and him mom. We appreciate all you do.

[@denisemorris1177]

Venus, you are a beautiful baby girl! Your name fits you perfectly! ❤❤ Bless you and mommy! 🙏🏽❤❤

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@denisemorris, thank you for watching and commenting. I have many more moments similar to this. I do think Effie is demonstrating a lot more love for her daughter, in a way that us humans interpret 'showing love'. Have a lovely day 😊

[@claudiadossantosfernandes1094]

Vênus esta cada dia mais linda, inteligente, com mais equilíbrio, ela é muito fofa, amo essa bebê linda❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@claudiadossantosfernand...Thank you for watching. I'm new to this and don't know why when I click on reply, sometimes it adds your user name, and sometimes it doesn't! So I can't see the rest of your name, hence the three dots after fernan.... I have more lovely footage coming soon, so please like and subscribe if you liked the video and want to subscribe. Have a great day. 😊

[@latralla4577]

Thank you for sharing a new video! I never questioned Effie's dedication to her baby. It's true that we can see more footages about overprotecting gorilla moms, and that's what move people, but it's unfair to criticize and blame other gorillas who don't hold their offspring tight on their chest 24/7. Venus seems to be a bold little lady, I can hardly wait to see her and Juno play together.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@latralla4577, do you ever watch Harry's Animal Kingdom? I think that's the name? Cleveland gorilla troop with babies Jameela, Kayembe and Kunda? I will explain later, but in the meantime, I have a question. What would you think is going on if you came across a little round bundle of fur, rolling about on the floor with four feet and four arms? I will leave you with that thought and take my childs to college. Then, I will try to edit and put a couple of new lovely cute videos later. Thank you as always 😊

[@latralla4577]

@@Ape_Appreciation Larry's Animal Safari? Of course, I watch his videos - actually, Venus looks like Jameela, Juno looks like Kunda, and the moms are similar too, Freddie is as laidback as Effie, Kebi is as overprotective as Mjukuu 🙂 I'm not sure I understand properly your other question, but now that I've seen a bunch of baby ape-videos, I would think two infant chimps are having a good time - or Kayembe kidnapped Jameela again! 🤣

[@Ape_Appreciation]

​@@latralla4577you are close. Have you seen the video when Jameela was playing with a green plastic looking tub. Then kunda and mum walked into the same area. It looked to me that Kunda saw Jameela and lunged herself across the bucket and out of it on the side where Jameela was. It was quick! Then they immediately had a little wrestle. Poor Jameela was so shocked. Then when the mums tried to pull them apart, it looked like pulling on two strong magnets that don't want to be separated until enough force was used and they literally popped apart? It was very cute. Well ton Monday Juno and Venus did the exact thing, they rolled around like a little ball of fluff, hands and feet. And even though Venus is bigger, Juno is sparky and strong! I will try to publish it soon. I'm so slow at editing but I'm getting better at it. Thans for your comments and for often having my back when I was struggling with negative comments and helping me see it was frustration rather than an attack on me. It's getting better. 😅

[@latralla4577]

@@Ape_Appreciation Sure, I've seen that one too! It was super entertaining and also amazing to witness another "fatal attraction" between two tiny primates when they see each other. Jameela was really a baby, and for me it seems she's a little cute princess, not assertive at all (although Kayembe has started to "train" her, so she's getting used to the wrestling games) - while Kunda seems to be a real tomboy, a fearless little energy bomb. Of course, their personalities and the dynamics among the three kids may change a lot in the future. We have seen far fewer interactions between Venus and Juno, but we really look forward to watching the footage you took about their wrestling session! Take your time, there's no rush, practice that editing work, your videos are getting better and better, especially with the descriptions and the background music! 🥰

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@latralla, I'm sorry that I come to you when this happens. I'm so upset I'm shaking. That people think I would spend all my money tto go. To film gorilla babies while they are mistreated abandoned starve and then cover it all up by editing my videos. There are truly nasty people in this world. I'm not sure I'm cut out for it. It really upsets me and it will always be like that.

[@rosiepena8917]

What a cute baby! I love her chunky little body. ❤

[@GrandRegentSScratch]

Where dose she show love? She barely interacted with Venus In the video, let alone show any affection towards her own child. And also why dose Venus look so malnourished & Scared? This zoo is Insufferable and Horrendous.

[@bettinapons240]

Notre adorable Vénus grandit de jour en jour et Effie assure son rôle de mère. Comment vont Juno et Mjukku et le reste de la troupe ? Merci beaucoup pour ces images ❤

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@betinapons, the troop looked great on Monday. I didn't see much of Mjukuu and Juno but Effie and Venus hung around entertaining us with silly faces on the glass. Thank you for watching. Like and subscribe? 😁

[@bettinapons240]

@@Ape_Appreciation Merci pour votre réponse. Et oui je suis abonnée et je like toutes vos vidéos 😉

[@Ape_Appreciation]

​@bettinapons240 thank you.

[@beckyhodges4287]

One question why didn’t effie take her baby back from the other gorilla? Wouldn’t the one who had Venus give her up was that it?

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@becky, I am so sorry I havnt got back to you. I'm truing to sort a couple of videos out and then I will come back to your very understanding and reasonable question. I have the inability to keep my answers short, so they take a long time to write. I will try to answer either tonight once the computer has been chucked out the window in frustration or I actually manage to finish editing a video. Take care. I will be back.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@beckyhodges4287, thanks again for asking this question. I don't know for sure how long Alika had Venus or how many times over that week. I know that since then I have not seen or heard anything that would make me think its happened again. The Curator of Animals, who is the person I spoke to told me that their cut off point for intervening would be if Alika had Venus for four hours. That would be the point that Venus would need a feed from Effie. He also said they didn't need to intervene because the gorillas sorted it out between them. The plan would be to separate Alika and offer her her favourite food or enrichment. They would not have removed her from the troop. Why didn't Effie take her back? I was told, and have read about this as well, that at around 5 to 6 months, the babies tend to start wondering further from mum and start interacting with other members of the troop. This is an important aspect of troop life and for adolescents who need to learn how to become parents. So that part is completely normal, I am sure like me, you have seen lots of videos of adolescents interacting, playing with, and holding babies. I know none of them treat the babies quite like Alika did. Alika is a big girl, and for me, looking from a human point of view, it's easy to forget she is only ten, although I realise that is not an excuse. She has never seen another baby before these two, whereas other troops are often bigger. I dont know. I do think she wasn't trying to hurt Venus or torture her. She could easily pull her apart in seconds if she wanted to. I think perhaps she got over excited because she had finally been allowed to have the baby, and because of that, she didn't want to give her back. Effie is the least dominant member of the troop (could be corrected if I got that wrong), and Alika is the daughter of the most dominant. The curator also told me that although you can clearly see that Venus was scared, she didn't cry out. If she did, the whole troop would have come running. It was also the troop that helped Effie get her baby back. In the video, when Alika was clearly getting over excited and rough, Effie did get her to calm down by sitting right next to them and placing her hand on Alika. I know many people will be incensed about what I have written here, but those are the things we discussed, and I believe Venus is OK. Probably traumatised, you can see clearly in my videos that when Alika comes near, Venus runs to Effie and grabs her, and Effie, too, is very aware of where Alika is. It is very upsetting to see that, and the evidence in the video is awful. I feel desperately sorry that Venus was treated that way. Physically, she is incredibly strong, but it scared her, and I feel very sad about that. However, had the zoo run in and removed either Alika or Venus, the damage would have been massive, and there was no need to. If people say 😊Effie is not a demonstrative mum or has some strange psychological issues, it will be because she was hand reared. There are reams of evidence on the damage handrearing wild animals in captivity causes. The way they approach handrearing has changed with the aim of getting an infant back to the troop within a month. What took place was a normal part and an important part of troop life and learning and although it was scarey and awful, the baby is stronger than any of us realise. I feel sad. Before it happened, Venus was so inquisitive and was eager to approach her sister, but I don't think Alika was ready for the responsibility and I wish it hadn't happened but we need to move on and enjoy this family again. I hope what I have said makes sense. It is a mixture of my opinion, what I interpreted from my discussion with the curator. I am not trained and the things I know are from you tube, documentries and movies. I really hope I don't get a bunch of hate. I don't think I deserve it. We are allowed our opinions, even the people who dislike me for wanting to move on and for believing the zoo is a reputable institution. I guess I have to take the chance. Please feel free to agree or disagree, it is OK, but hopefully we can just let us all have our own thoughts without being nasty to each other. Have a great evening Becky and please ask if you have further questions.

[@beckyhodges4287]

Thank u for ur thoughtful answer I appreciate it. I know that because the gorillas are so human like especially the babies we tend to humanize them more than we should we do need to remember that they are critters and in the wild there would be no one to intervene I guess they do handle things in their own way obviously because Venus is perfectly fine I hope it doesn’t happen any more tho!

[@Ape_Appreciation]

​@@beckyhodges4287me too. Thank you for letting me try to explain.

[@ramonaschwarzlose5909]

Ist so süß das Baby und Mami liebevoll zu dem Kleinen. ❤🥰❤️

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@ramonaschwarzlose, thank you for watching. I agree that the mum has been lovely recently with her baby. She was often a bit irritated with her baby for a while, but she has calmed down and seems to be enjoying spending time with her little one.

[@Looneyintheboonies]

The baby climbed up under Effie. Effie thankfully didn't knock her away this time. Then Effie walked off and left the baby alone, which is typical of Effie. You've contorted that to somehow convey "Effie showing love for baby Venus" which is quite a stretch. We can be thankful the baby isn't being allowed to be beaten by Alika, and Effie didn't push her off the platform, because she doesn't want the baby touching her as usual. That would be the appropriate title for this video. You're trying to manipulate and create a false narrative. Unfortunately for you and the zoo, we have eyes and we can see. I'm glad the baby is still alive, though. Not being battered is NOT love.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@loony, if that is what you think you saw, then that is what you think you saw. As someone who is very new to KZbin, it has been difficult to read such negativity from some commenters. I have desperately tried to help people who don't appear to be able to move on from what they saw in a video that was indeed awful to watch from over a month ago. Not because I want to hide something, but because I do interpret what I have seen as a positive since then, even if it is far from perfect. I also know that not being a gorilla myself, yes I am not Effie or Alika trying to change the worlds impression of me, I would probably misinterpret their body language I'd like to say LESs than most of the time. I can't hear their grumbles or shrieks 🤔, or smell them, which is also how they communicate. I can see their mouths, which helps a little. Mostly because when they are angry or upset, they show lots of scary teeth in a grimace you can't miss! (I would say the Shabani troop in Japan has many examples of that, or closer to home, the video that you/cute animals channel/someone took of the ladies of this troop who had a fight when Mjukuu pulled a bit of skin off Effies foot!). I'm willing to say I don't know what is going on with them a lot of the time, as I think most people in the world would be the same, unless they have studied and worked with them for years. So if there are moments in a video where I had hoped Effie would rescue Venus sooner off a bouncing fire hose that her son is shaking, I'm not going to dwell on it. I am not going to be able to change the mindset of more than 99% of the time, and it's taken a month to realise it. I know me, though, and on days where I'm sad, I will probably fall into this trapp again. Probably today. I hope not because it's just silly. Thank you for watching. You could get notifications so that then you can continue with your messages in life while I continue mine. I mean, that's life, a balance of everything! I guess it's too cheeky to ask for a subscribe and like my videos? 🤔 It's definitely, probably too much to ask. Have a lovely day. I hope it's a good one. 😊

[@Looneyintheboonies]

@Ape_Appreciation I will bet it hasn't been nearly as difficult for you to read some of our comments, as it has been for the viewers to watch the neglect and abuse and even outright violence perpetrated on tiny babies. I have literally screamed out loud "No, no... please stop" and ended up in tears. These are babies. They deserve to be protected by all who are in their world, because they are helpless and innocent and completely vulnerable to whatever the world throws at them, and helpless to do anything about it. Effie rejected her 2 previous babies, according to viewers comments. And they were raised by other gorillas in the troop. This time, there should have been an effort to find a kind and loving foster mom so that the baby could get hugs and affection and be made to feel secure. But the zoo didn't bother, and that poor thing has raised herself and suffered for it.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@Looneyintheboonies you are so negative. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you are making yourself look ridiculous. By all means, you and all the organisations you were saying were keeping an eye on things. You are welcome to watch my videos, but I no longer care for your insistence on being right and seeing nothing but negativity. I can't help you or change your mind, and you clearly don't want to change your mind. Have a lovely day.

[@renewashington791]

Huh? 🤷🏽‍♀️ Sorry, but Imo this Video **DOES NOT** show any display by Effie of her “LOVE for baby Venus” 🙄 Quite the contrary. If Anything, the video shows AS USUAL Effie’s INATTENTIVENESS and INDIFFERENCE to the baby. In Fact, isn’t this Effie the Very Same Gorilla who ALLOWED her baby to be Picked up by Another female Gorilla in the troop and basically tortured and abused???? The zoo went Curiously SILENT after the Alleged Incident and absolutely Refused to offer much Insight on the matter, leaving Viewers and Subscribers to draw their Own conclusions. In any case, @MillieMills you’re Definitely OFF on the Title of this video.

[@latralla4577]

Try to take time and read some of MillieMills's long and detailed answers to commenters under previous videos. It wasn't the zoo that didn't offer insight about those scenes, actually they released an official explanation. It was the other video distributor who started panicking then left viewers without answers and let them draw their own conclusion by shutting down the comment wall, and that's how false information and misinterpretation of the situation spread quickly.

[@Ape_Appreciation]

@renewashington791 Thank you for watching the video. As I was at the zoo and was watching the gorillas while filming, I witnessed a lot of love between Effie and her baby. Therefore, I stand by the title of this video. I'm sorry that you don't see that but it is only 2 minutes long and if you started watching it with that pre conceived belief, it isn't long enough to be able to show you otherwise and I understand that. It does upset me when people think I am trying to cover up some sort of terrible ordeal going on in this troop and happily publish it on KZbin, but I'm getting used to it now. If you have further questions, please feel free to ask, and I will try to explain what was happening at the time I was filming. It can often help to understand the tiny bit of life you witnessed through knowing why they were in that part of the exhibit, what they were waiting to do, and where the other gorillas were. Thank you once again for watching.

[@lesliewallace9665]

@@Ape_Appreciation please don't feel like you have to explain everything to everyone. There are so many of us who greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos. We are so thankful because we love both Venus and Juno and we know you are honest in your efforts to keep us updated on this troop

[@renewashington791]

@@Ape_Appreciation Thank you 😊 Perhaps you’re right. I admit that I may have **Preconceived** ideas and feeLings about Effie and baby Venus because of Previous videos I’ve watched on a Different YT channel. It seems that Most, if not aLL, of the videos I’ve watched has shown Effie behaving in an Inattentive and Indifferent manner toward her baby. For example, Effie would be shown ReLaxing on a nice comfy blanket while leaving Venus to lay upon the hard wood chips. The baby would want to breastfeed, and Effie would be shown nudging her away and drinking her OWN breast miLk 🤦🏽‍♀️ It was upsetting to a LOT of Subscribers, and THEN we saw the horrid video in question of the gorilla Alika handling baby Venus in a rough and abusive manner 😢

[@renewashington791]

@@latralla4577 Thank you 😊 I never Saw or knew of any **Official Statement** reLeased by the zoo. In fact, I was toLd by other Subscribers/Viewers that when they went to further Investigate by going to the Actual zoo’s Page or YT channel??? 🤷🏽‍♀️ (I’m not certain which) that it Too was aLso “shut down” and they couldn’t find out the condition or Status for baby Venus. I went for WEEKS worrying that poor baby had suffered fatal injuries.