Grey’s Anatomy - Why McDreamy Isn’t That Dreamy

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[@msjennifer6119]

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[@supermario35327]

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[@hayeslundry]

I would like to say as a proud weird person (who loves your channel) your weird girl merch looks like it’s for basic girls trying to identify with something else. I’d rather wear the outfits the girls are wearing then wear anything with the girls on them. I also understand that trying to do merch is hard and hope to see you put something out that I would want to buy.

[@hayeslundry]

I feel like you should do a I’m a cinephile shirt or a logo maybe?

[@yorurei4047]

Let's not forget that Meredith tried to stay professional after she found out he was her boss in the first episode. She pointed out multiple times that it was in appropriate and HE kept pursuing her

[@daisygarcia2484]

literally, when I started to watch Gray's anatomy, I thought Derek would be trouble for Meredith since he constantly pushed Meredith buttons.

[@Narra0002]

Exactly

[@tam9856]

Yep 👍🏾

[@Chris-ht5tj]

hey it was 2005. five years after clinton. ppl did all kinds of crazy things.

[@ivydaimond6715]

He’s soooo cringe

[@Mittenzzs]

Lmao Addison was one of the few who called Derek out on his bullshit behavior and I stan her for it

[@jabjabjabjabjab]

Takes a lot to show your husband he ain’t it by sleeping with his best friend since childhood. Glad we have strong women to show us the way.

[@amydunnediditnow]

i think part of why derek grew bored of addison is because she was his age and his equal as a doctor, he didn't like that; he needed a relationship where he was the 'god' and he had dominance over the women he was with. just like how when he got too comfortable with meredith, and she started advancing as a doctor and wasnt the lovestruck intern, he kissed one of his students in DC

[@jabjabjabjabjab]

@@amydunnediditnow You disappoint me. Screwing is okay, but making out is wrong? Say it ain’t so

[@cazia9]

So was Bailey, when she pointed out that men like him didn’t see women like her, that they exist to build up his ego and that their whole identity should revolve around the pity-attention he grants them…Derek tries to empathize he was a geek too but he fails to see that he became That Guy at the hospital

[@vrv7727]

Isn't this the problem with the Shonda Rhimes shows? Supposedly smart, self-possessed women falling in love a-holes who think the world revolves around them? Shonda pushed the narrative that Meredith/Olivia had epic love stories (a justification for their extra-marital affairs, really) with Derek/Fitz, d-bag brats who had faithful wives (who were smarter and more capable than their husbands) but sidelined them out of pride and their own selfish needs. The true heroines of Grey's and Scandal were Addison and Mellie. Didn't you just want to hit weakling Meredith ("Pick me, choose me, love me" -- ugh! "I don't care if you're not worthy and that we will hurt your wife!" is what it all boils down to!) and equally messed up Olivia ("I don't want normal, and easy, and simple. I want painful, difficult, devastating, life-changing, extraordinary love." -- ugh! "I don't care if you're not worthy and that we will hurt your wife!" is what it all boils down to as well!) over the heads to get some sense into them??? I would have actually applauded Shonda if she let the husbands realize how good they had it with their wives, apologized to them, and became better men. But no! That's why I tuned out of Grey's midway season 3, and tuned out of Scandal sometime season 4 when Fitz still couldn't get his sh*t together and support his wife throughout her grieving their dead child. BTW, the men (Patrick Dempsey and Tony Goldwyn) who played these d-bags had more interesting chemistry with the actresses who played their wives (Kate Walsh and Bellamy Young), IMHO. Or maybe, the relationships and backstories of those marriages were just written better.

[@PuppiBlueSkies]

Remember when he asked Yang “do you not like me because of Meredith?” And she responds with “no I don’t like you because you’re you” And it’s similar with Bailey and Addison too, it’s these women who are just as strong and brilliant who sees the flaws in his character and calls him out

[@mysteriiis]

All Hail to Queen Christina!

[@TititoDeBologay]

Facts

[@PuppiBlueSkies]

@@mysteriiis facts

[@amycaitlyn1120]

@@mysteriiis Christina is my absolute fav - I love reminders of her killer lines!!! She is the best

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Meredith’s dream about ‘McDreamy’ is just reinforcing the fact that your crush is hot while firmly based in your imagination. And if you have an over active imagination , things are quite different.

[@AxxLAfriku]

i was a boy. they were 138 girls. can i make it any more obvious? thats right, i had a crazy dream last night. HAHAHAHAHA!!! im the funniest youtube star ever. youre welcome for laughing dear pro

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@AxxLAfriku Thank you for your honesty.

[@MrayaRocks]

Omg pokhraj you watch the take (and your comment is absolutely right)

[@nhvkuy4675]

Such a good point

[@standardofexcellence]

@@AxxLAfriku you could turn that dream into a very successful year 😉

[@aworldofhopes7627]

We can't forget the time when Derek threatened to end their relationship if Meredith pursued Neuro, which was the field that she was very interested in and wanted to learn more about. Not only could he not handle Meredith's career being on par or better than his, but he couldn't even handle the possibility that they were working within the same field of medicine. He pushed her out of the field and specialty she loved because his ego couldn't handle the fact that she might be better than him. I think that this also helps him believe that his specialty is more important than hers. He believes that Neuro is far more important and significant than General. We can see how much Meredith misses Neuro when her younger half sister Lexie is taken under Derek's wing. Meredith gives Lexie pointers about how to be in the operating room with Derek and such. Overall, Derek couldn't handle how the women in his life(Meredith, Addison, and Amelia) had amazing careers that were better than his, so he belittled them as much as he could as a way to keep his ego intact. P.s.: George O'Malley is just as toxic as Derek. He is just a cut and paste of Ross from Friends. Alex and Owen should also be the next Grey's Anatomy characters to get analyzed. Along with Mark, because there should at least be one semi-positive one.

[@musicfanatic075]

Wait I haven’t watched the show in a while but didn’t he tell her not to pursue Neuro because he couldn’t trust her as a career partner since she sabotaged the trials? During the Alzheimer’s research, she was supposed to give the placebo to the chiefs wife and didn’t which messed up the whole research and trial. He told her they can’t work together anymore since he can’t trust her to not sabotage. But I do agree that he has an ego! And you can see it towards Amelia. He likes to be THE neurosurgeon and THE best

[@asuka.nakamura1987]

How was George toxic?

[@aworldofhopes7627]

@@asuka.nakamura1987 He constantly tried to make his friends feel sympathetic for him because he liked Meredith, even while she was going out with Derek and other guys. He knew that she was drunk and that she was going to regret sleeping with him, but proceeded to do so anyway and made it entirely her fault. He blamed her for all of it and then refused to even look at her, let alone talk to her. He then turned to Callie(who was an absolute angel) and proceeded to talk shit about his friends to her, especially Meredith. He let his friends talk shit about Callie. Then, he cheated on her. He did apologize later for these behaviors, but due to his actions, his relationships with his ex-wife and friends were never the same. He's not the worst character on the show, and I actually kind of like George for a bit, but he acted like a 'nice guy' and an ass.

[@CrystelD]

@@aworldofhopes7627 thank you for saying that about George ! Yes we can understand him and his mistakes but what I really hate is characters like him who is describes like "Nice guys" and dont act like they are. People give them free pass for theirs mistakes because they look like nice guys (why ? Because he is not a bully? And the girl he love doesnt love him back?). But when I rewatch it, I also see that Callie have her rongs in the matter: she maried him just few weeks after the dead of George's father.. he was so hurt, so confused, and jump in with her because his father loved her. I know now what it is to feel like that. So I hate the trope "nice guys" and George is annoying for that and for acting like nothing is his fault, but we can care for him at the same time and understand him.

[@reginafalange5958]

Ironically, Meredith later tells her daughter that she should never be with a man who can't handle her power

[@purpletutu1000]

The clinical trial REALLY pissed me off because Derek was the one who wanted to give up with the last patient, and Meredith wanted to go through with it. That patient is the one they had the breakthrough with. So really without Meredith, the clinical trial would have been a complete failure, and he takes complete credit for it. Ugh

[@igoinsquares]

So I am watching GA, and in the scene where Derek and Ellis meet, when Ellis is lucid, she says there exact words: I've seen men like you before. Threatened by someone who is their equal. You just want some to admire you. And you don't care about the damage you do to her along the way. Ellis called it. Within seconds of meeting him. Love it. Shonda playing the long game. 💜

[@mysteryhatter]

Top villains who were right: Top 1:

[@nicolealie7138]

Yes to all of this. I always believe the demise of his marriage to Addison was that she was a better and more talented surgeon than he was- the way everyone referred to her constantly as a star and that festered into him working all the time and acting resentful which culminated in her affair. And with Meredith, he pursued her, discarded her, hounded her, judged her, he was beyond awful and it fascinated me that as she became his equal he became more and more threatened(and then almost fell into a something with a younger, beautiful, doctor who was early in her career). Shondra was definitely depicting a certain type of man with Derek. I thought he showed more self-awareness and growth in the end when he decided to stay and fight for his marriage with Meredith but whew he was truly vile and I am shocked so few viewers saw it.

[@tylert271]

I always disliked “mcdreamy”. He belittled Meredith over and over but then do these romantic gestures. I hated their whole relationship from the second she made that whiny plea to him. “Pick me, choose me, love me” no one should EVER have to beg for love especially like that.

[@LaMorenitaDivina]

God, yes, this.

[@pulp5322]

Yess exactly. I think I read somewhere that Ellen Pompeo hated that line as well despite its popularity

[@tylert271]

@@pulp5322 I hope that she would cause honestly that set the tone for their entire relationship. Like we get it as one of main characters on the show they have love interest but I always felt either he should’ve grown as a character or for her to get a new love interest cause this was just so toxic

[@pulp5322]

@@tylert271 definitely. I was 17 when I watched grey’s anatomy for the first time and seeing McDreamy, I could instantly pick out his toxicity. My friends loved him and they’d stopped watching the show once he died. But I felt relieved when he did because he never grew. I felt like Meredith had more room and space to be herself after Derek. With Amelia and Maggie. It’s a shame that the show still keeps McDreamy on a pedestal despite having Meredith or other characters call him out on his toxicity when he was on the show.

[@tylert271]

@@pulp5322 yea made me love Mark’s character lol Mark turned out to be fantastic compared to him and I cried when he got killed off

[@serantiepretorius3489]

These character breakdowns are done so well,makes me look at these characters in a whole different way

[@jasonvargas7564]

I always thought the idea of Derek was hot - he’s a conventionally attractive man, an attending surgeon, and can be hot when he’s all angry and dominant/yelling, but as a character, and especially as the romantic partner of Mer, I’ve always hated that. Even back then it was alarming how the creators portrayed it as “endgame” and pure and something to be rooted for despite it all, rather than showing why this relationship is never a good idea when you are in a relationship with your direct superior, who can never treat you impartially and can be vindictive and controlling if things don’t go their way. The threats, the intimidation, the manipulation, so not attractive at all.

[@serantiepretorius3489]

@@jasonvargas7564 He was a toxic partner but because of his conventual good looks people tend to look past his bad behavioir. Ted Bundy also had a people that refused to believe he is not guilty because he "doesn't look like a monster" its messed up

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@serantiepretorius3489 true! Although I keep saying this, but Ted Bundy is not really “that” good looking. I mean, for a serial killer, sure he’s decent looking, but as a man from that time period? Average at best. Maybe it’s because I’m a bi male, but I seriously don’t get all the fangirling Ted received (and still does) 🤔 So sorry for this totally irrelevant tangent lol

[@serantiepretorius3489]

@@jasonvargas7564 lol what you are saying nmakes sense so please tangent away. Bundy's looks are overated to me but a few pathetic souls wont agree with that. Maybe its that cocky overly confident attitude that some weirdos fibd appealing

[@lindakk886]

@@serantiepretorius3489 What the hell is wrong with you? You’re comparing Derek Shepherd to a serial killer? Seems like you need some serious mental health intervention.

[@siyahans4964]

Do Owen Hunt and his entitlement over Christina's pregnancy next. Man really thought he could 'make' her have his child (that she absolutely did not want) because hE gETs a sAy. Bull.

[@bubblegirl9854]

Agree to disagree

[@faysuxxss]

@@bubblegirl9854 not bull it was her body, so her choice

[@dreamyanon5151]

Exactly. That pissed me off and permanently damaged my view of him. Christina DID have the final choice over what she wanted for her life, especially given it was HER BODY. I don't think some men get how shitty that is to do to a woman. Childbirth is not a joke, and it's a serious decision. Women don't exist solely to fulfill that function. Him acting like her being nice to kids that were not hers meant she could be a mom was dumb, she just wanted to be aunt Christina not a parent.

[@louis-stephane1391]

@@dreamyanon5151 But I got from that is that she didn't even talked to him about it. So ofc he was mad

[@louis-stephane1391]

Not that I'm saying that he should decide for her

[@missdeejay]

As a doctor myself, I must say Derek is a radiography of how male neurosurgeons are. They ARE like that. Arrogant, misogynistic, selfish and narcissistic. It's not just Derek Sheppard. It's basically ALL male neurosurgeons

[@jaimicottrill2831]

Classic God Complex.

[@valentina7901]

wait how about cardiologist cause I'm seeing one soon

[@milicadjordjevic4498]

Girl, who hurt you?

[@missdeejay]

@@valentina7901 cardios think they're Apollo, but neuros think they're Zeus

[@missdeejay]

@@milicadjordjevic4498 no one. I'm in the medical field and I have at least three neurosurgeon friends who are basically Latino versions of Derek Sheppard,

[@ziggystatdust6008]

There is one scene that bothered the hell out of me and made my dislike for Derek develop a bit more. When Mer broke up with him at the end of season 4 into season 5 due to her deep-seated depression, he started dating the nurse Rose. In one episode, he said something along the lines of Mer should be concerned that he was having a great time with his new girlfriend. Why on earth will you say something to someone who is dealing with a deep depression, someone you know tends to act or reacts dangerously when something bad happens to her? It was extremely manipulative, self-centred, and completely insensitive. What annoys me is how Mer was so enamoured by him in the early stages, always trying so hard to please. Like girl, this man cheated on you with his ex-wife, didn’t tell you he was married, choose his wife over you, completely humiliated and embarrassed you, gets angry and calls you a slut for sleeping around when you are not even together, then makes a self-centred rant about how he is suffering for his choices, cheats on his wife again with you, then tells you you have to make the decision to choose between him or the veterinarian, a situation you created? I know people have flaws and all, but that was some deeply-ignored and subtle narcissism I’ve ever seen.

[@rahbeeuh]

That situation is a WHOLE mess! Even that's an understatement

[@GKOALA7]

"...calls you a slut for sleeping around when you are not even together..." WHAT!? So you can ONLY be called when you ARE together???

[@ziggystatdust6008]

@@GKOALA7 I maybe should have worded that better. He had no right to insult her for moving on. If she wants to sleep with how many men she wants, that’s her choice, and he had no business getting angry at her for that. Even more annoying was the fact that he got jealous of Mer and the vet when they never even slept together.

[@antigonarosaura7845]

@@GKOALA7 Yes if you are in a monogamous relationship.

[@peacekeeperbabe]

…but it’s not subtle. The fact that as women; this is considered a excellent man. That should b a calling card 2 raise our standards; but we r busy denying the problem in the first place.

[@Choshako]

I needed this video. When Derek was being super calm, rational, wise, mature, taking charge, you know, all the alpha male qualities, he does seem like the perfect man. Then I remember he said stuff like "You *don't* deserve it. You're a baby." and all the magic just fizzles. 😑

[@jasonvargas7564]

Right? So he was dating and “having relations” with a baby? Straight to the chair with you Derek

[@tvddamonlovernina]

I actually liked Derek (I'm a minority it seems 😅), I just think those traits that we like about him would be unrealistic without his flaws. All the confidence and calm (plus ultra successful career) has a minus side which is his ego and so on. Just seemed realistic to me. And his and Meredith's problems seemed real and not just drama for the sake of it. Especially when he promised to take a step back so she could focus and right at that time he got an opportunity of a lifetime, it's got to suck lol

[@noahorakwue2653]

I think Derek's shortcomings and lack of growth stems from his upbringing which we only ever saw through Amelia. After his father died he became the surrogate father for all his sisters and he never really grew out of his childish behavior he just suppressed them when he had to and they emerged when he didn't, when he was allowed to feel simply for himself; Which was reinforced after Addison cheated on him with Mark. He's the perfect man when he needs to be and a insecure child when he's allowed to be.

[@musicfanatic075]

@@tvddamonlovernina oh yea I agree completely. I still like him and it took me a while to even get the guts to watch this video but I understand that it’s worthwhile to give criticism and point out flaws. It doesn’t make me think he’s awful. People just can act very shitty and that’s just life :/

[@musicfanatic075]

@@noahorakwue2653 so true and he was never able to rebel like Amelia was able to. Always stuck as being perfect leader and being there for everyone. He was like “I did the right thing and married a beautiful respectable woman..I guess that it” LOL I think he feels more “free” being with Meredith and he never realized that he never felt “free” before.

[@ananya1721]

Addison understood it early on & she was too much women for him. She chose the path of infidelity in despair but she knew what Derek was. Even Ellis Grey picked up on it in her lucid state. When the clinical trial was a success he got all the credit for something that was Mer's idea and only begrudgingly thanked her when Bailey pushed him to. P.S. I'm not glorifying infidelity in my comment. Addison was an imperfect woman with nuance and that's why she was well recieved by the viewers. So much so that her character was given her own show, 'Private practice. '

[@jabjabjabjabjab]

lol What? Catching someone with your best friend is “too much woman”? How about not enough partner? Or Loyalty? Also, science doesn’t give people credit for coming up with an idea. You have to “prove” the idea and make it feasible. Derrick wasn’t wrong. He deserved the credit. He did all the heavy work. Should credit her for giving the idea, but the heavy lifting was done by him.

[@amydunnediditnow]

@@jabjabjabjabjab derek admitted himself he barely paid attention to addison anymore and treated her badly. crazy idea, but you don't need to blame everything on the women

[@jabjabjabjabjab]

@@amydunnediditnow So your SO cheats on you with your childhood best friend and that’s fine because you didn’t give him enough attention? Could simply break up or divorce… but why not destroy their social life on the way out.

[@NawiTheCore]

Your comment is absolutely disgusting. Cheating is an appaling thing to do.

[@pablacarrascoalcayaga2287]

@@jabjabjabjabjab sure but let's not forget that Addison did offered him the divorce and he voluntarily chose to stay with her even though he knew he didn't love her anymore and haven't for a long time. And I don't know, maybe stringing her along while still treating her like crap and walking around the hospital acting like a martyr and then actively cheating on her at the prom with Meredith and not saying anything about it to Addison was a hell lot shittier than anything she did to him in the first place.

[@pablacarrascoalcayaga2287]

This is the more interesting when you compare him to Amelia. She is his little sister and the one who reassembles him the most physically and intellectually. Not to mention that she was with him when their father was killed. They share that trauma, but they handle it shockingly different. Derek develops a black-and-white kind of world view while Amelia develops addiction, which makes her inherently damaged for Derek, specially when she relapses. While for others the fact that Amelia is capable of choosing to get sober over and over again is a sign of her strength, for Derek is a weakness. Amelia doesn't view herself as morally superior, she knows she is flawed and her mistakes allow her to grow. But the punchline is that she is, in fact, morally superior to Derek and the proof of that is that when the doctor who killed her brother needs a surgeon, she delegates the quest and later when he dies anyway she doesn't make it about divine justice. She emphatizes with Betty and keeps helping her even when she runs away. She understands that people are allowed to make mistakes and that makes us human. She is an amazing surgeon, equally good or even better than Derek and sure, she is arrogant too, but she doesn't believe she is above everyone. Derek was always going around saying that Amelia destroys everything she touches, but that's only true in his worldview. To everyone else, she is just a person. That's why Addison keeps chasing her when she relapses: "That thing in there? That used to be a person, okay? And she was sweet and funny and we were sisters okay? We were closer than sisters! (...) I just want her back". Addison acknowledges that Amelia on drugs is not the same Amelia she loves and knows. Derek never knew the difference.

[@goddessnoir290]

Great points!

[@Jessica-wo6px]

I think what would have helped was if he had gone to therapy and work through his issues. It's clear Derek had some unresolved trauma from his father's murder that he had never gotten over and it affected his worldview and how he treated the people around him. I will say that I don't believe his mother and family were exactly great either. He had older sisters yet he was the one raising and taking care of Amelia at a very young age while his mother worked all the time? I have a feeling that whole family was fractured following the father's death and never recovered. Meredith Grey is not the only one with deep stated issues that need therapy in this show. Mostly everybody else has and most of them have never even went to counseling for it.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

*deep seated

[@claremarie2652]

I’m tired of fictional relationships that are pushed down our throats as ‘true love’ when the dynamics are actually unbelievably toxic. Like the only way writers know how to portray a ‘real’ relationship between two beautiful people (actors) is to make them a dysfunctional wreck that will never split up in spite of everything and have a magical sex life that smooths over any issue. Booo.

[@loiracitr]

We need more Ben& Leslie types

[@naomi-v4e]

Cough cough chuck and blair

[@Simz199x]

@@loiracitr from which show?

[@loiracitr]

@@Simz199x Parks and Recreation

[@jaimicottrill2831]

Brooklyn 99- great couples in that especially Peraltiago!

[@georg_couch]

He's not at all so great, but I have to admit, he's an exceptionally well-written character. If the show didn't glorify him so much and didn't frame him with all those sweeping romantic moments, we would have a much more realistic and interesting view of him. The whole "dating your subordinate" thing was in the wake of those early 2000's post-feminist projects (Bridget Jones, Sex and the City etc). Grey's Anatomy in general started out as a Sex and the City-like medical show, and like SATC, it ultimately proved to be less profound than it promised.

[@creategenius719]

But didn't the issue of having doctors date their subordinates continue throughout the series? Meredith goes on to date Deluca who is a resident under her.

[@georg_couch]

@@creategenius719 yes, now that you mention it, apparently it does go on. But it loses its gravity somehow later on in the series (Callie and George, Mark and Lexie, everyone with everyone geez). In the first couple of seasons it was actually a big deal and one could visibly see how it affected the environment in the workplace. I'm not saying it should be forbidden for people who do not hold the same amount of power at work to date each other. But everyone is expected to be professional about these things, and as mentioned in the video, people just forget how aggressively Derek pursued Meredith in season 1, even though she was just an intern and had previously expressed (even if mildly so) an unwillingness to enter a relationship with him.

[@PhreeSoul]

I disagree on the shows development, in my opinion the show grows with times, and explores many feminist themes as it does. The differences and inequality between men and women building their carreers. Other double-standards as Derek slut-shaming Meredith. Christina holding her own ground against Owen and not becoming a mother. Meredith becoming a mother but still having a great carreer (and the same with Bailey). Izzie not being ashamed of her model past. Callie finding love and relationships with women and coming out as a proud bisexual. Arizona as a disabled main-character after she lost her leg. Bailey becoming the chief. All the strong, smart and complex female characters and their friendships, like Maggie and Amelia.

[@georg_couch]

@@PhreeSoul well, handling heavy and complex themes is something the show always did, from the very start. I am not saying it isn't feminist. I'm saying it couldn't avoid some tropes and platitudes that unfortunately damaged its appeal (and made it a little more soapy or less intelligent if you will). All those things you mentioned were some of the show's landmarks and reasons we loved it in the first place, I'm with you on that. But that doesn't inherently negate some of its misses.

[@PhreeSoul]

@@georg_couch I understand in a way, but in a way I still disagree. I agree with the soapiness, but then again I think some of the shows appeal (and also one of it’s feminist points of view) is not shaming anyone for liking ”girly” things. Such as soapy romance and love plots. That it’s just as feministic ideal to empower girly girls than it is to empower career ladies thriuph. That one doesn’t take away from the other. But that’s just my point of view, and I know that not all may agree. :)

[@nicolettemaloy]

I loved that you included that bit about Mark (he’s one of my favorites) and there’s such a big difference between him and Derek even before Mark grows. Mark is self aware, he never denies that he’s an asshole he knows he’s an asshole but then he grows he becomes a loving partner to Lexie (making my favorite couple a reality), he becomes an amazing friend to Callie and later Arizona, and he becomes a loving father both to Sloan and Sophia. 💕💕💕but even after that growth mark wasn’t perfect but that’s okay because he grew so much

[@smileymuffin6035]

Facts. Mark rocked.

[@l6618]

@This Nigerian Loves Drinking Garri For real. Mark was gross af, way worse than Derek lmao

[@shellaneshettleworth6677]

@This Nigerian Loves Drinking Garri Why do you say so? I'm genuinely curious because from what I remembered he was very flirtatious but he never persisted with anything once he knew the person wasn't interested. And if he flirted after that, it was more in a friendly way where it was obvious he was joking.

[@alyssadillon7782]

@@shellaneshettleworth6677like with erica hahn (?) and nurses

[@sophiarodriguez3706]

Loved this video, and love that Derek’s character and lack of real development over the seasons is contrasted with more dynamic characters, like Mark Sloan. Derek Shepard is a good reminder that good-looking, charming, successful men can get away with a lot of bad behavior because the facade is considered so ideal.

[@kbrennan3836]

What's weird is that Mark had just as much in the way of looks, charm, and success, so if those were the only factors, you'd expect them to end up as similar characters. But, what Mark didn't have was Derek's unshakable certainty that he was The Good Guy and therefore deserved to get whatever girl he wanted and somehow have everything work out for him. Mark wanted the same things as Derek, but he didn't feel entitled too them, so he learned how to work for them.

[@mysteriiis]

Mark Sloan was the proper version of a Byronic Alpha Male. Vs Derek's skeavy sociopath.

[@musicfanatic075]

@@kbrennan3836 I also think the trauma of seeing his dad murdered played a significant role in his development. Sure Mark and Derek are similar but Derek has always had more responsibility than Mark and never allowed himself to be more free like Mark did. At one point, it seemed like Mark was another person Derek was responsible for in a way.

[@abibaby1000]

McDreamy takedown? Sign me the fuck up!

[@sophiarodriguez3706]

Saaaaame 🙋🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️

[@francescairns4097]

Yes thank you

[@theloverlyladylo9158]

Honestly, the Greys relationship to aspire to is S5 Slexie. Mark and Lexie form a genuine bond of camaraderie and mutual admiration, encourage each other to be better versions of themselves, and work through the issues caused by the large age gap, all underscored with a sense of “being around this person makes me smile”.

[@amycaitlyn1120]

Thank you for this!!! I hated his character later - making his career more important over Meredith's, kissing that other woman!, going back on his promise to Meredith he would let her take the time in their family for HER career...and yes, not telling Mer he was married in the beginning. McDreamy was never my favorite LOL. I loved Mark Sloan better actually...his character actually matured and grew throughout. Mark always had self awareness of who he was; loved his relationship with Callie too. I really loved him and Lexie, and will never forgive Shonda Rhimes for that plane crash haha! Yang said it best to Mer when she left in Season 10: "Don't let what he wants eclipse what you need. He's very dreamy, but he is not the sun" Yang for the win, as always!!!

[@veronicachandler1314]

Interesting parallel when the woman who kisses Derek says he's amazing. It's very similar to Meredith calling him amazing in season 1 after their first surgery together. I can understand why the show made Derek this way. Early 2000's shows and movies had a problem distinguishing between romance and overstepping boundaries. There was also a lot of shows/movies that showed "flirting" as tearing someone down for expecting basic human kindness. Alex showing Izzy's modeling photos in the locker room comes to mind.

[@mysteriiis]

The fact that even man-child Alex grew up seriously puts Derek's bullshit in stark relief. Dealing with the needs of child patients is way more impressive than Derek's performative empathy.

[@drfifteenmd7561]

@@mysteriiis From the start, he was framed as perfect so that’s why he apparently didn’t grow and change like everybody else. Also, Derek instantly regretted the kiss. I’m still salty that he never told Meredith about it though.

[@shannonschwartz7011]

YES! He’s attracted to women who praise his amazingness. Massive, self-centered ego. And yeah, the whole “He’s mean to you because he likes you thing” has GOT to stop. Makes girls go TOWARD guys who are mean to them, rather than AWAY. And it keeps on encouraging guys from the time they are young boys to act like jerks to get attention… because unfortunately, it works.

[@chirpie11]

@@shannonschwartz7011 “Negging”

[@ziggystatdust6008]

@@shannonschwartz7011 I had a guy act that way as his form of flirtation. Was constantly mean, passive aggressive, and obnoxious towards anything I did or said. But rather than me falling for him, I grew to dislike him immensely. When he finally confesses his feelings, and his confusion as to why his “tricks” didn’t work, I told him that no self-respecting girl, even with some flaws, would ever fall for a man who treats her like shit.

[@VeronicAM313]

I never wanted them together once she did the, "Pick me. Choose me." Speech. It was sad and a pick-me moment that I never wanted to strive to be.

[@LY43537]

Derek is the kind of guy that 18 year old me would have liked--talented, kind of an asshole, possessive, just sad and broken enough for me to think I could "fix." It's why this show was so popular with the college crowd from 2005-2010-ish. It was popular for the same reasons Twilight was popular.

[@ginao6810]

It was fascinating for me to rewatch the show at 30 after first watching it at 20. At 20 I didn’t see Derick’s terrible behaviour and thought he was a dreamboat. He had some character flaws, he made some bad decisions, but that’s all part of good writing that set the early Grey’s seasons apart. At 30 I HATED him and thought he was a self-cantered, manipulative arsehole. So Derick may not have grown over the year, but it’s nice to know I have.

[@snooze6650]

PREACH.

[@veranex6387]

Honestly when this show came out, I remember that as soon as Mark came out, I instantly began questioning Mer and Derek. Some moments Derek was a good guy, and some of his choices made sense. Like him not mentioning he was married after finding out his wife cheated on him; I get him not mentioning it at first if he was in the *middle* of divorce. Some people count being separated/in the middle of it of not being married. Should he had mentioned it once he knew Mer was it? Of course! If it was just when they started dating; yeah, I get why he didn't. I wouldn't either until I knew it was serious Could I tell some moments were him just reacting without thinking? Yeah, and we've all been there. But he's got too many moments with that that happens constantly. Especially when Mer gives up and drowns. Like I understand her almost dying was something, but I just remember him saying how much it hurt him and how he couldn't do it while she was still trying to deal. I understand that's a lot, and it was fair to him to be honest, but the way he went about it made me *livid*.

[@ginao6810]

@@veranex6387 you’re right. Mer almost drowning was so revealing. That was when she needed his support the most, and he bailed. It’s was like if she wasn’t performing to his personal standards, then she wasn’t worthy of his love. Imagine your significant other essentially attempting suicide, and you thinking that’s not good enough and breaking up with them.

[@yeahbut2435]

And the reason their relationship is such a tragedy is because it represents so many relationships. Women put everything they want second and absorb all domestic labor even to men who are nice and charming like Derek. It’s worse because he isn’t an evil person, he’s just a man

[@wennamacormac781]

I always thought that Meridith would have eventually left Derek as she grew in herself and realised that he was selfish, self centered and a bit of a pig. I think Christina was spot on i.e. she is the sun not him.

[@katesamples8959]

The storyline when Izzy had cancer and Shepard wanted to perform surgery that could basically lobotomize her and Meredith told her not to do it after getting real scared during the practice run because Izzy literally couldn’t remember words so Meredith told Izzy not to do it and Shepard lost. His. Shit. It was so gross to watch and of course eventually Meredith acquiesced to Shepard’s will and everything worked out, but the message totally was, “listen to the man. He will always know better than you.”

[@vianitoledo7439]

Totally forgot about this and I agree

[@dayshawnalexander5654]

On an unrelated note: I love this presenters voice and narration style.

[@jasonvargas7564]

I really hope teachers in high school use these videos to show students how character/story/show/movie analyses can be thought-provoking and fun at the same time. It would have been a blast if when I was in high school, English teachers allowed us to present topics like this!

McDreamy is McCringey, totally, but Patrick Dempsey's handsomeness and sexiness hide it very well.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Only if you think someone’s looks override their personality

[@rahbeeuh]

It's the façade

[@x_aj_x1157]

Didn't even think he was that attractive to be honest....

[@mysteriiis]

@@x_aj_x1157 It's about him looking like a softboi version of George Clooney's character on ER.

[@jhemmuelotlang564]

Not McCringey he should be McShitty

[@ricardonichols6109]

This was an eye opener. I am a huge fan of Dr. Shephard. Never realized how flawed he was. Side note, are you all doing more essays on the other characters on Grey's Anthomy?

[@grantmccoy6739]

He's very typical of a confident successful man. His ego, personality, charm, immaturity, etc. I don't think his character is really supposed to be profound, just dramatic. It is a TV series after all.

[@kati4191]

He lost me entirely when he didn’t give Meredith credit

[@genemorgan736]

I feel like every op ed piece on the take is "You know that character that you think is alright? Well, think again cause there a monster."

[@reflectsonlife]

What I would be interested to know is, what were Rhines intentions with characterizing McDreamy as she did? There are plenty of power- imbalanced couples like this in a hospital setting, probably in any workplace setting. Was she just portraying real life as it typically occurs, then and now? Were we supposed to recognize McDreamy's flaws? Isn't that the whole point of Christina & Meredith being each other's "person", because due to the brainwashing of patriarchal systems, a man can rarely ever be a woman's "person" in a het romantic relationship (though a woman can be a man's "person" in that same relationship).

[@mysteriiis]

I'd think/hope so. Especially with how Yang leaves the series. Watching her read that letter from her mentor; telling her to slag all haters, and buy a dog if she needs a friend; is one of my favorite show moments. Especially with how Doctor Shows like forcing hardass surgeons, of both genders, into 'character development' arcs. By which I mean becoming soft, sentimental Hallmark movie characters. I don't want Julie Fucking Andrews doing my surgery. I Want Christina Goddamn Yang going hard with the cold, ruthless precision of a Swiss watch.

[@musicfanatic075]

I think it’s both? Portraying real life as how deeply flawed people can be and how maybe at a certain age you’re just unable to even recognize those flaws and work at it. And I think they criticize his flaws. I liked that everytime he was shitty, it was addressed. Either by someone else or Meredith and she never took it lying down either. I think it also can show that dating the older guy isn’t as great as some people fantasize. There’s a lack of being taken seriously with such an age and professional gap dynamic! But also idk if it was all supposed to be that deep or a lesson LOL. Maybe it was just writing characters and as it developed it became this. Rhines writes beautiful flawed characters throughout all her shows imo so it could just be that. Trying to see how deeply flawed people can get together and how those flaws would work in a relationship?

[@rosalynburroughs6190]

Meridith became much more likable once he was dead, you actually got to know her as a person.

[@sibanipanigrahy5509]

I have never clicked so fast in any of your videos.. this is sooo needed

[@msfriendsfan4ever788]

Your next Grey's video should be: why Alex Karev isn't all that great He has anger issues He has issues He treats himself as the victim when the women in his life struggle with mental health, and see that as an obstacle He never gets therapy or anger mangement classes He leaves his loving and supporting wife for his ex, in a letter, after weeks of silence

[@sashatheelf]

Do people think Alex Karev is great....?

[@em_kuudere630]

@@sashatheelf A lot of people on Reddit think so.

[@mysteriiis]

I think he works because the show makes absolutely no bones about his childish nonsense. You are supposed to want to punch him at least once an episode. But then, over time, he (relatively) grows up.

[@AirQuotes]

Riiight. So many people love Alex but from day 1 I've been like "huh why he sucks." Even when he had ok moments I was never convinced it would last. And every time he'd revert back to being horrible. I was relieved when finally left for good. I'd like Izzie to come back one day but Alex can go take a long jump off a short pier.

[@antigonarosaura7845]

I hated Alex in the first seasons, but now I like him.

[@mattsaracen7]

Meredith and Derek were perfect for each other because they are both mean and full of themselves. Also, Meredith had immeasuble patience for his BS.

[@mysteriiis]

I stopped watching after Derek's death. When Meredith went nuclear on that poor resident who was the only one actually trying to save his life.

[@zanetapenny8388]

Thank you! Meredith herself is selfish and insufferable, so they really were a perfect match.

[@kelialunaargentino2721]

@@zanetapenny8388meredith is selfless to a pathological level, what are you talking about 😭😭😭😭

[@Jessica-wo6px]

They both had issues definitely

[@Ana.Garcia.]

OH, MY GOD! FINALLY! I've always told people that he's, like we say in Brazil: "Um boy lixo." Not Dreamy AT ALL

[@melenatorr]

Have always agreed with this, from first watch. I never really cared for the character.

[@JacquelineViana]

Chernoboy Master!

[@princessjess2915]

Pois eu gosto dele. Um personagem complexo, com qualidades e defeitos. Assim como a Meredith tem qualidades, mas também é desequilibrada.

[@JacquelineViana]

@@princessjess2915 a qualidade da forma como ele foi escrito é inegável. Mas que as pessoas tendem a romantizar o personagem e a esquecer que ele tem defeitos como qualquer um é claro.

[@princessjess2915]

@@JacquelineVianaComo não romantizar o par romântico da protagonista ? Eu acho que era o intuito da criadora... apesar dos defeitos dele, isso seria meio que inevitável. Assim como a maioria das pessoas amam a Meredith e esquecem também que ela é complexida por traumas familiares que fazem com que ela seja meio desequilibrada nos seus relacionamentos.

[@goldieh7121]

I think McDreamy was the reason I couldn't continue watching the series. I've encountered too many altruistic narcissists in my life. Surgeons are the worst. There are some exceptions, but I've met very few.

[@aarushichhikara9866]

Same I just finished season 2 and I don't want to continue because of Derek

[@mrsjaynesarah1923]

He's not nearly as good looking as he thinks he is, and consistently puts his needs above Meredith's. Love it when Cristina says "He's not the sun, you are" 💕

[@jeilee3860]

Finally, the world sees what I have seen ever since season 1!!! Edit: I have never liked Derek. I only ever saw every terrible thing about him. I felt nothing when he died. Once he was gone the show no longer revolved around him and I was glad. I only wish Christina could have been there for at least 1 season after he was gone. I would've loved to see the dynamic between Christina and Meredith without Derek being there. I especially hated the way he treated Amelia. She was trying so hard to stay clean and make a new life for herself and he would always throw her mistakes and past in her face. Then when he promised that he would step back and handle the kids while Meredith focused more on her career, I thought there was hope for him. But he immediately walked that back when he got the offer from the White House. I understand that was an amazing opportunity, but he never really considered how Meredith would feel about it. He was the worst, and I enjoyed the show so much more when he was gone.

[@princessjess2915]

He wanted to stay, but Meredith maked him go. Then he left, but after he came back, and she was never gratefull or satisfied. She has to be blamed too.

[@jeilee3860]

@@princessjess2915 it’s true he wanted to stay for his family but the only reason Meredith made him go was because he was miserable and mean to everybody around him. When Meredith took the day off to hang with Alex he threw it in her face. She complained to Callie that she could feel Derek just waiting and watching for her to do something spectacular in her career that would revolutionize medicine so them staying would be justified in comparison to what he gave up. He was constantly condescending and terrible to Amelia. So Meredith told him to go because she didn’t want him constantly guilt tripping her for his decision. She even said that. She said she didn’t ask him to stay she only told him that she wasn’t going. He’s the one that made the decision to stay. So no I don’t give any of the blame to Meredith. Derek’s choice and actions are all on him.

[@princessjess2915]

@@jeilee3860 Both had a huge ego! I think that Meredith was jealousy with Derek in Withe House.

[@jeilee3860]

@@princessjess2915 she did say she was jealous but she was also upset because he was supposed to take a step back so she could focus on her career. I will admit I am much more critical of him because I don’t like him. But he was awful.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Yang to Meridith: "He's not the sun. You are!" Me: Exactly. Thanks for the vid! I am so happy that fans of the show upon reflection, are seeing him for his flaws as well. I loved the show in the first several seasons. Meridith and Yang are my in my top twenty favourite characters in any show. But I stopped watching it after several seasons, because of life, and when I heard that Dr. McDreamy died, I was like, "Okay cool."

[@low-keydrama1260]

“You don’t deserve it (credit). You’re a baby.” Oh the relationship should’ve ended and never got rekindled after that.

[@Melanie-t5t]

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[@13Amazons]

I rewatched season 2 and despised Shephard's treatment of Addison. She was trying and he was so passive aggressive the whole time. It made me think less of Meredith too for her role in the emotional affair Shepherd was having with her while in counseling with Addison

[@Jessica-wo6px]

They all were at fault except the vet. Nobody was innocent in this

[@Carols989]

I would LOVE a video about how they screwed up alex karev's entire storyline by NOT killing him off

[@rahbeeuh]

Shonda Rhimes: McDreamy is (near) perfect. The Take: we bout to pop this woman's bubble

[@Jessica-wo6px]

She definitely romanticized him and thought he could do no wrong🙄

[@rahbeeuh]

@@Jessica-wo6px pretty much!

[@demelaya]

I recently rewatched the whole series and could not understand what I had found likable about his character. Amazing video!

[@VidWatcher01]

I always thought he was cringey from the jump. Not to mention he displayed some narcissistic traits. But Meredith wasn't exactly the picture of maturity at times

[@Jessica-wo6px]

Yep I think he should have gone to therapy around the time she did and maybe have CHARACTER GROWTH for both of them.

[@shanegrele]

i’m glad we as a society are finally deciding derek wasn’t a good character

[@lou6018]

Omg I’m so happy people are talking about this. I was so happy when he left the show.

[@TheDukeofMadness]

Patrick Dempsey played a character not dissimilar on the last season of the Practice. He was a married dentist friend of Alan Shore (who went on to Boston Legal) that's accused of murdering his lover. It was the same sort of underlying controlling, angry, resentful character with a charming veneer.

[@thegirlwhocriedcat2062]

But gotta admit that he's one of the best written flawed characters in television.

[@fernandoabreujr.2271]

Probably because he’s white and ‘good looking’.

[@thegirlwhocriedcat2062]

@@fernandoabreujr.2271 Oh no.

[@hannah-eg9ns]

@@thegirlwhocriedcat2062 I disagree actually. I think his flaws make him real, but the way the show portrays him makes him not well written. They treat him like this brooding genius who has a good romantic heart underneath it all instead of the power hungry narcissist he is. His flaws are there for dramatic effect and to create drama, not to create a nuanced character study. This becomes obvious when he ends up with Meredith and has a fulfilling career, being given everything he wants until his death.

[@thatmessy132]

I've always had a thing about tragic back stories as an "excuse" for shitty behaviour; [we] were not all there, you can't take your trauma out on people who had nothing to do with it.

[@sarahrashina2562]

You can't resolve trauma in one day, and people don't act out their trauma on other people by Knowing, it happens.

[@CandyFeen144]

I still can’t get over him saying she’d be a bad mother

[@Jessica-wo6px]

And he completely ghosted his DAUGHTER after he was fighting with his wife over the adoption and her ability to parent. I definitely had my feelings and problems with Meredith and her decisions and worldview but a truly loving and concerned father would not abandon his child over an argument with his wife especially when the mother also makes bad decisions herself and freaking tries to run off with the child while the father doesn't see or talk to the child. They both should have lost Zola due to their inability to grow up and take accountability.

[@tegantalks9612]

Thank you for this! The first time watching the show I was so sad when Derek died but after seeing Meredith without him, it made me realize how toxic he was and how much he actually held her back. She’s better off without him!

[@pinksparkle6891]

Finally! More like Mcshi**y for me from the first season till’ the end. I felt the series kept toying around when it came to this character.

[@Takisan111]

I used to watch the show with my mom sometimes but was not fond of all the drama. McDreamy also wasn't my type so I never got what everyone saw in him. I just got an uncomfortable vibe from him. What really convinced me my feeling was right was towards the end when he took that job far away and started making googoo eyes at that terrible young lady that they tried to make seem great because she wanted to find a cure for autism. Considering autism is a neurological condition that is better handled with therapy and pretty much never with medication, she clearly hasn't researched it enough to even begin trying to "cure" it. And we were supposed to think "Oh, she's smart and perfect. However will he avoid falling for such a exceptional young woman?" blech XP Also want to say that a cure is impossible so she's wasting her time. It's freaking hardwired into the brain from birth. You can't change being born autistic any more than you can avoid being born gay. And before anyone comes at me for that, a lot of people on the autistic spectrum tend to identify somewhere in the LGBT+ community so everyone should be trying to learn to get along.

[@lepetitenellie]

I was hoping for the clip of the scene with Derek and Callie illustrating on the whiteboard he was acting like the white hot center of the universe (a dot with a bunch of lines pointing at the dot in a circle) and says it looks like a butthole and realizes the diagram illustration still works in her argument.

[@BucketThinkTank14657Nerd]

Derek also sees himself as above the rules so long as he believes he's right. When he removed the tumor from that janitor after Richard told him not to and he was fired he just kept coming back. If that surgery had failed and that guy died it would have been a disaster for everyone involved and the hospital and Derek doesn't even acknowledge it and just keeps showing up to work.

[@baxtersmom279]

I love this. Thank you! I never ever thought Meredith and McDreamy were a romantic "IT" couple. I hated hated hated the way he treated Addison. I loved Addison. I stopped watching around s8 because I was sooo tired of this couple.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

Oh seasons 7-8 were terrible for Meredith and Derek. Meredith not taking accountability for messing up the trial and running off with Zola and Derek not talking or seeing them for days after running off and leaving his child behind while he sulked in feeling sorry for himself. I couldn't stand either of them and only felt bad for Zola😢💔

[@arachne6074]

Thank you! I hate Derek Shepherd. He was the most selfish character on grey’s anatomy and the fact that he did not see his issues just made him worse. If he was real and I had to deal with him. I might of punched him in the face every day we worked together

[@jazzyd4725]

I remember watching this as a teenager…wow how different this all seems as an adult 👀

[@shara_3]

As an 18year old watching Grey’s rn, I saw that Derek wasn’t so perfect form the start, I always said he’s bad for Meredith

[@RiniDiamandis]

Literally me lmaoo I'm 16 watching for the first time and I'm looking at my sister like Is this your king???? 🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@dayshawnalexander5654]

He disgusted me and my ex couldn’t understand why I wasn’t team Derek.

[@אברהםדודסולומון]

I'm dying for you to make a analysis of George O'Malley's arc

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Now do Mark Darcy (it needs to be done). Any thoughts on the Encanto film and the importance of elders owning their faults and the pervasiveness of Intergenerational Trauma? Also please do the Mistress (and how she and the Wife are used by men who see them as sex or nurture dispensers), the BBW (and how she falls into traps same as her slimmer Bombshell sisters), the Shrinking Violet/Wallflower and how society sees introverts and women being alone as freaks? And how the Plain Jane is used to deliver the moral of inner beauty or her dark side where her lack of recognition can destroy lives (Alma Fillcott and Linda Tripp come to mind).

[@CrimsonNineTail]

Got the wallflower bit a lot as a kid. Ahh, the 90s. 🙃🙃

[@Matty002]

its like they say, good looks can make people overlook red flags. it worked on me for sure

[@ennuiblue4295]

They call that The Halo Effect 😇

[@sadem1045]

Thank goodness someone said it

[@eriklf64]

Dempsey started as Derek Shepard in 2005. Three years later he also did a movie, 'Made of honor'. In that movie he was in love with his long life friend, who decided to marry a Scottish guy. And the scottish guy was Kevin McKidd (Owen from Grey's anatomy). The friends of Dempsey's love interest even called his Scottisch friend DREAMY. Very funny.

[@SamiLo2]

Mark was the real McDreamy tbh. Mark and Lexie had the healthiest relationship out of any of the OG characters.

[@robynfromcanada]

I'd like to see characters Richard Webber and Owen Hunt examined in the same way. Their masculinity, dominance, and confidence are clearly defensive behaviors. They are posed as righteous characters limited by trauma or their failure to adapt. They both make me feel very uncomfortable. They yell, throw tantrums, run away and refuse to empathize with others. 🤨

[@Jessica-wo6px]

Yep especially Richard. His relationship with Meredith literally started out with him seeing her get abused by her mother as a child and he did nothing but had sex with Ellis instead. Just disgusting in my book😠😠😡😡

[@winonacrvz]

Thank you for putting what I’ve been thinking in wordssss!! I thought I was nuts thinking that McDreamy isn’t all that

[@rahbeeuh]

Not at all. You just caught on to him being crap. I've never gotten the appeal. I kinda liked George until that awful storyline with Izzy.

[@fieldofreeds8581]

Yes! More Grey’s Anatomy content please! I would also love to see The Take’s take (lol) on Peaky Blinders characters 🤞🏼

[@melissas6208]

I was happy when Arizona called him egomaniacal too.

[@maylynbayani]

I only watched a few episodes and Addison became my favorite that when she left, I watched private practice.

[@loiracitr]

Hey ladies, how about a study on the trope of the genious doctor? The Doctor House type, that is extremely mean to the patients but it's fine because he is such a brilliant doctor? I re-watched some episodes during the pandemic and I was amazed by how toxic the dude is and how cool I thought he has when I was a kid

[@katthekitkatbar]

I've been waiting on you guys to do videos on Grey's Anatomy forever and you didn't disappoint

[@c.w.8200]

Right now I have to finally face my boyfriend's flaws and they are similar, the need to be seen as an "alpha" to the point that he's trying to shame me into becoming a trophy girlfriend, a rigid believe system, toxic perfectionism, he doesn't give a shit about my career and thinks I should stay home anyway...maybe I need to RUN.

[@mouthkissed]

run, RUN

[@NoName-dx1no]

Girl i better see an ex next to that boyfriend next time 💀

[@freakytostadacartoon]

End that relationship. If you continue it , it will harm you.

[@ziggystatdust6008]

PLEASE, PLEASE RUN!!! I was in a similar situation as you , and I thought things will get better in time, prayed that God will make him see his mistakes and change, dreamed of him being the good man I wanted him to be. Friends and family constantly told me to leave him, but I ignored all of them. But it never happened, he never changed, and I foolishly stuck by his side. I managed to end the relationship, but now my career is now set back 10 years, and I’m now so emotionally depressed and drained that I’m now afraid of committing to another relationship. If you need some time to think things through, please do, but please do not make the same mistakes I did.

[@c.w.8200]

@@ziggystatdust6008 Thank you for your message, it's very hard right now because I spent 8 years with him, I also was convinced he will mature and stop hurting me. I thought we grow old, have children, it's so hard to lose all of that and his good sides. I'm between hoping for a miracle and mourning, I cry everyday and even his own mother told me I need to leave if he can't respect me.

[@doggytheanarchist7876]

Thank you! I always hated that dude. Every time there was a mass death season finale I was rooting for him to die. But they took steamy instead. And he was the real hot one. Who actually grew and learned through the show.

[@fayesparks]

happy ppl are finally starting to see what a toxic character & relationship it was

[@lstarsabb]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I never liked Derek especially after seeing him treat Teddy after the hospital shooting. He was one of the reasons that guy shot up the hospital, but put Christina quitting on Teddy and he treat his own sister like crap but was a better brother to Lexi. The one time he could have had her back when that man's patient outed her as an addict he chose to leave her hanging because he wanted the surgery. I like the point out that Meredith was always the problem. I will give it to him that he helped Meredith open up to getting to know Lexi and he did support Meredith with her parent issues but he's " I'm better then everyone" attitude irked me to core to the point that every time someone told him off i was screaming "YES!"

[@diyapurushothaman5118]

I would love to see your take on Harvey Specter from Suits. This analysis was on point btw.

[@DinosaurMermaidArt]

I started watching the show because my friend pitched it to me on the idea that the women are competent and confident about it and the men are beautiful but whiny and clingy.

[@BellesView]

When I was a teenager, I used to want Meredith and Derek’s love. Now I realize how problematic it was.

[@MeliDMR93]

THE WAY HE TREATED AMELIA THOOOO, I'll never forgive him THAT

[@annam.6708]

Totally agree. Both Meredith and Addison deserved better

[@chirpie11]

In the most recent episode when Mer was getting ready for the Parkinson’s surgery, she said something wishing that Derek could be there, I muttered “and second-guessing you the whole time”. This is how much I dislike him. Plus, he was mean to his sisters, especially Amelia 🙄 and he could have divorced Addie, but was too much of an a$$ to do so.

[@aydenisive]

I had a love-hate view on the character, he has some good moments but a lot of red flags. Towards the end of his time on the show I was ready for him to leave, but his death episode from his perspective was admittedly quite sad. But I think it was a better ending than if he just up and left them.

[@NotHPotter]

Lol why is this show still on the air?

[@lauren1211]

Exactly lol

[@icedoatmilklatte910]

I guess Shonda Rhimes is trying to beat some record for longest running show 🤷🏾‍♀️

As a medical school student, I frankly don't know.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Money

[@darnellmajor9016]

Hahahahahaha

[@ladyanime100]

I've never liked Derek. I found him toxic, controlling, narcissist and arrogant. Pursuing an intern even after Meredith tried to keep her distance due to the relationship being inappropriate and he finds ways to get her in his serve just to see her. Stalker much, abuse of power. Then Derek's wife comes in the picture to which exposes his secret about being married and what does Derek do, not only does he go back to his wife but he tries to defend his actions about going back to her while also longing for Meredith while emotionally punishing Addison in the process. He was toxic jealous when she tries to get over him and called her a whore. Hate, hate, hate. He belittles her, the whole DC thing still upsets me, and a bunch of other things that I hate about him.

[@rushipawar6911]

Yasssssssss, finally some Grey's Anatomy. Please 🙏🙏🙏🙏 more videos on Grey's Anatomy. 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[@louiseerbslisbjerg7854]

Toxic traits? He's a full blown narcissist! Like... truely, look it up.

[@natalieps2387]

My close friend married a surgeon. He was arrogant cold detached. At first she thought she hit the jackpot that he loved & married her. Very soon after he displayed the characteristics I mentioned above. I wonder If those things in a strange way were what made him so driven to be a great surgeon. To do what he does he has to have extreme confidence that makes him arrogant they also tell drs that to stay objective they much not get emotionally invested in their patients. I just wonder maybe the lines do get blurred between the professional & personal. This may be why Derek is the way he is.

[@JDR1991]

Yes! Excited to watch this because I never saw the appeal in Derek. I tried to see the appeal several times but he was just not doing anything for me.

[@inescastellano7960]

You should make a video about the doctors/hospital shows, the characteristics and stereotypes to analyse.

[@Melanie-t5t]

3:14 Oh my gosh, this is so true