IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover Desert Wings Tobruk | BF-109 Dogfights | First Impressions |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store To Enter the Giveaway Fill out this form: forms.gle/N5GiWbN67JDVUPdc6 Been away a few days guys but this is what I've been doing been playing a lot of IL-2 and making this here video to share my thoughts with you guys for those of you unsure about getting it or not. Great Sim with Great visuals and awesome audio gun/special effects not to mention the fantastic damage model, its also pretty refreshing to have AI who don't just roll over and die, great stuff.

[@STASHYNSKYI]

IL 2 it's Russian aircraft?

[@lucahofman445]

@@STASHYNSKYI Yes, it was introduced in the Soviet Union in 1941 and made its forst flight in 1939. Very cool plane if you ask me!

[@palker4]

@@STASHYNSKYI it is called IL-2 cause it was supposed to be the next gen WW2 sim developed by the same people that developed original IL2 that was released in 2001. The released BoB first and planned to add eastern front and the titular IL2 in the expansions. The reality was that some development issues happened the studio went bust and the game is now maintained by a group of modders that came together under the team fusion banner to fix the game and create new content.

[@STASHYNSKYI]

@@lucahofman445 ....sidewinder didn't mentioned , thanks.

[@lucahofman445]

@@STASHYNSKYI No problem :D

[@TeamFusionMod]

Thanks for creating your first impressions video GS. We are very proud of the improvements we have made to Cliffs of Dover and creating the recently released Desert Wings Tobruk expansion. Great to read so many positive comments and over 1000+ likes within hours of this release. For those who buy the sim based on your video, we hope you enjoy a fantastic flight sim, that not only has stood the test of time, but have has been improved on over the years. Here's to many more. Cheers, Pattle.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you brother you guys did a great job with this sim and I love the opportunity to shine a light on your guy's hard work. I wish you guys continued success in the future.

[@kolonellion2999]

Pattle, thank you for keeping the dream alive. You have done a fantastic job.

[@TeamFusionMod]

@@kolonellion2999 Thanks Kolonel. I'm lucky enough to be on the shiny end of TFS showing the great works of the TFS team. A very dedicated and talented bunch of guys.

[@danperin]

@@TeamFusionMod We are lucky enough to have you on the team, Pete! ;)

[@thearno2885]

Does this review also apply to Cliffs of Dover (blitz) or only to the Tobruk expansion?

[@Slamboni4k]

I’m actually glad you’ve started to get into IL-2 Sturmovik, there aren’t a lot of creators out there covering it like you do.

[@SteveMurnaghan]

Sheriff’s Sim Shack has some fantastic IL-2 content!

[@saucejohnson9862]

I’m actually mad he’s on Cliffs of Dover. The new series already has the Hurricane.

[@Dhjdhebdaish]

You should check out Wolfpack

[@user-nx9dv3fp6x]

How is he a "creator" when all he does is record videos reacting to games other people made?? Even the soundtracks he uses on his videos are created by others. He is the definition of a *parasite*!! It's a sick joke he even has merch which is literally benefitting off the backs of other people when he never "created" anything unique himself.

[@saucejohnson9862]

@@user-nx9dv3fp6x Are you saying someone else is flying this plane and he didn’t record it with ShadowPlay or OBS? If so, do you have the original flight video that he stole from?

[@Cybermat47]

Great review! I made the D.520, Beaufighter, Bf-109/trop and Tomahawk/Kittyhawk campaigns for _Tobruk_ as well as 12 of the single missions. You're spot-on when you say it was a passion project for us - my interest in WWII aviation started from going to the Australian War Memorial and watching _Battle of Britain_ as a kid, so I always wanted an amazing Battle of Britain game. CloD's unfortunate state when it was first released sadly defined it for years, so it was a dream come true to not only work on improving the base game but also add Tobruk (where my Somme veteran great-grandfather fought) and some of the Battle of France. I never thought I'd get this opportunity, much less at this age (I'm 21).

[@danperin]

Great words, mate! We really do it for the love we have for that masterpiece Oleg Maddox released many years ago. We are certainly keeping the dream alive! ;)

[@fondueset6034]

My friend Oleg Maddox - who developed this sim - considers it his masterpiece (he did the orginal IL2 and Cliffs of Dover). Nice to see this review!

[@garethhughes5745]

Love Oleg great guy we exchanged emails a few times briefly even though I was just a fan of the sim with just enthusiasm to offer. Not many developers like him in the world. 😊

[@supercheese7033]

It wasn't a masterpiece when he released it. The first iteration of CloD was horrid. Only the ATAG guys ran a decent server, so hard to keep running.

[@Dusty7460]

why he didn t created Il-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad... Oleg an amazing guy with great vision

[@Harlequin43]

@@mikepette4422 I was having a problem of joystick not being recognized by the game a while ago. It was fixed in the last major patch.

[@atoka2206]

Oleg Maddox Our godfather Generations grew up and are still playing his masterpieces starting all the way from 2001

[@lordpredator8855]

Il 2 sturmovik is one of the best dogfight games ever made. I always have nostalgia when seeing a video or playing it.

[@robgraham5697]

Wise, not taking that head on. That was the Hurricane iC with four 20mm. That wouldn't have been pretty.

[@BadAtWarThunder2006]

I love these types of vids, vtol vr, IL-2, all of it. Great vid GS!

[@tazzie165]

Great grandfather serves in Tubruk (he was a medic) so when I build my PC rig someday this will be one of the first games I add to my steam library

[@vishnukolal5208]

Eyy thanks for taking my suggestion and trying out cliffs of dover! it's a nice game that deserves more attention.

[@SerbianDingo]

He probably saw some other dudes comment lol

[@daverils4882]

Great review! So glad you mentioned the Joystick Wizard. It’s really sped up and simplified setting up your controls as you showed in your video.

[@danperin]

And the interactive pits! :D

[@flare2000x]

Thanks for featuring CloD! It's my favourite sim ever!

[@anukarshchopra]

Nice work GS, the dogfight was so smooth

[@tobidorifto6803]

I'm Addicted to your vids man, so dope! keep it up

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man wilco

[@joshuat20k]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Loving the 4k vids my friend!

[@sargesacker2599]

I've always loved cliffs of Dover, everyone always talks about Stalingrad and its expansions but they rarely ever talk about this gem.

[@KarayaYT]

Which is a pity because it has some amazingly atmospheric combat to offer. I really recommend trying out the TWC Campaign Server which runs a dynamic 24/7 online campaign with strategic targets, aircraft supply chains, etc.

[@Hellreign82]

Dude, you trying to take my 'Sloppy Guns' crown? XD nice work bud

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hahah dude my guns are so sloppy your crown is deff at risk.

[@stutzpunkt]

Very excited to play this game! My Grandfather flew p40s over North Africa. In addition to downing 1.5 Ju88s, his great claim to fame was having be shot down by Hans Joachim Marseille in a BF109. Unlike Marseille he survived the war.

[@Cybermat47]

Glad to hear that he made it through. The P-40 campaign I made for this game focuses on No. 3 SQN RAAF, what squadron was your grandad with?

[@stutzpunkt]

@@Cybermat47 He was a member of 450 squadron. P/O Francis Earnest Parker.

[@tomhighway1952]

PLEASE do more WW2 videos. I don't care whether you do them in IL-2 or DCS, just do them. You seem to be the only one out there that gives the same informative, calm, unbiased narration of your dogfights, whether you win or lose. Very much enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@Flyright07]

Glad you added this to the channel. The history of this franchise is fantastic.

[@tbone407]

I’ll probably never play any of these games, but I love military planes. You have a fantastic channel that’s entertaining and educational! Keep up the great work. 👍

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much Tony

[@IsraeliDino]

Why not jump into the sims? A fantastic world awaits you ;)

[@lwrncschmchr]

@@IsraeliDino entry cost is steep if you want to do it right. I downloaded BoS and tried to pick it up with just the keyboard on my laptop, but it doesn't have nearly enough functionality and I can't afford the sticks and throttles.

[@IsraeliDino]

@@lwrncschmchr Gotcha, that's a very fair point...glad we have these videos and resources on the internet then in that case :D

[@Matias-dr3ys]

@@lwrncschmchr my thrustmaster hotas costed 60€. i rarely play sim and only war thunder if i do but i have tried dcs and it works well for flying around although looking around is very hard.

[@SyntheticSan]

The level of passion for creating details in IL-2 Sturmovik is absolutely unique and outstanding.

[@bluecordterrainmanagement]

I'm happy to see you enjoying Il2. I've been around Il2 since the original demo back in 2001. It's one of the few games/sims that has always stayed on my hard drive all these years

[@whiskeyactual.]

This is going to be one of the first games installed on my new system build and my first flight sim. Planning on running it in 21:9 3440x1440

[@romancenturion8]

Make sure to get headtracking!

[@Deltasayan]

On the other hand, DCS AI's like to defy the laws of physics in a dogfight.

[@DHBKidd510]

Friggen hate it

[@Deltasayan]

@@DHBKidd510 DCS AI be like. Watch me go to space lol.

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

that's why I always pack sidewinder during dogfights with AI

[@Kay_213_]

@@WanderfalkeAT lmao

[@yjcinderoc]

A British Wildcat variant! TIL, how wonderful 😍

[@KarayaYT]

Tobruk has the Martlet Mk.III which was the name given to F4F-3A aircraft taken over from a Greek order. They had no naval equipment so could only be operated from land bases. Saw action in RAF service in the western desert.

[@hanswolfgangmercer]

Love the 109! Such a pilot's aircraft.

[@StaleCrony]

Hell yeah

[@SerbianDingo]

Idk i always found the spitty better it's so sleek and stylish while the 109 looks like a box

[@StaleCrony]

@@SerbianDingo it depends on which 109 you are talking about, some of them are more sleek than others. But yeah I get what your saying. I also enjoy the spit.

[@freakyrims1527]

Im jewish

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@SerbianDingo Nothing better than a Spit with cannons.

[@Aidy]

Really looking forward to more content from this, I absolutely love the IL-2 games, and this one is so awesome. I'm glad to see you playing it GS.

[@AMZdogfight]

It' been 1 year since I have tried Il2- Great battles especially in VR. Never returned to DCS since.

[@brettbricker1810]

Thanks for bringing this fantastic sim some much needed attention. It really is awesome.

[@TeamFusionMod]

Glad you like our sim Brett. :)

[@9.jg52meyer9]

Top stuff mate, nice vid showcasing this gem to the max . Horrido!

[@TeamFusionMod]

Onya Meyer!

[@soul191]

LOVE ur video bro! And I subscribed to you!

[@DecibeldB]

CloD have the best damage model of all the sims. Hands down. Glad you like it

[@ppunk4]

Did the Planes still explode a la Top Secret???

[@sloakz]

Great Video! Tobruk is a really good expansion, nice to see it get some love.

[@adriangoodman8901]

This is a correct assessment. Easily one of the best!!! WW2 flight sims ever made!

[@gvii]

I grabbed this early on. It is a nice change of scenery from BoX series. I really do like the selection of aircraft too. The functional cockpit is really cool and the detailed damage model is the cat's ass. Just the one thing it needs is VR support. I thought I remembered reading that they intend to implement it at some point, but I'm not sure. But I've been almost completely spoiled in BoX, Tank Crew, and FC with VR. So darn hard to go back to a flat screen now. Heck, I flew the crap out of RoF. Absolutely adore that game, but kind of neglect it now due to the lack of VR, lol.

[@virtual_warbirds]

Absolutely, it needs VR now!

[@motionsic]

Great sim! The Hurricane wings look authentically thick!

[@izard8207]

So glad to see the C.202 agian

[@danperin]

Nice thing it's clickable/interactive for some sim study! The Falco is great fun as well!

[@izard8207]

@@danperin they have the falco?? I have to get this game

[@danperin]

@@izard8207 Yes! A desert version and a temperate as well! And the Gladiator II as well! Both with clickable interactive cockpits. Biplanes are so satisfying! :D

[@danperin]

@@izard8207 Oh and the Falco can carry bombs! ;) Go to the IL2 forum and look at the "Cliffs of Dover" tab. Lots of Italian pilots and events for those birds! There's a BR20 bomber flyable and interactive as well and a G50.

[@Motogamna]

That first pilot's head jerked forward as it took a round

[@imreczirjak4736]

yea I'm play this game too but tis Ais is when they in a blenheim they doing some fighter manouvers and when they dropped they bombs like you just going to you airfield looking to your six'o clock and you see a blenheimn 4 on your six

[@theonefrancis696]

This was a day one for me. TFS has shown great skill and interest in keeping this IL alive.

[@ACG_Jaydog]

It's a good Sim. If it were VR supported, it would be great.

[@cdrseabee]

They plan on having VR. IL2 Great Battles has VR now!

[@ACG_Jaydog]

@@cdrseabee I know....thats why I only fly Great Battles right now and DCS

[@Post.nut_Clarity]

I love the voices they programmed you can hear when you shoot a plane down from both perspectives; celebration from the victor and frantic screams from the doomed.

[@willhound2]

Please play more of these from time to time.

[@jarredb2396]

My father set up two PC’s with the OG sturmovik and we used to dogfight one another in the same room. This game has been great for at least two decades. Never mind the map editor ☝🏻

[@baginatora]

Oh, man, you two are living the dream! :) I want to have a kid and train him/her to be my wingman! We'll be lethal :D

[@jarredb2396]

@@baginatora he is an airline pilot to boot- but we both would have rather piloted military aircraft given the opportunity

[@airapple]

Great sim after so many years. It still deserves attention and love!

[@TeamFusionMod]

Thanks airapple.

[@basecamp84]

I USE TO PLAY IL2 STURMOVIK.. THEN PACIFIC FIGHTERS ADDON ... ALL WHILE ON DIAL UP IN 2003 2004

[@TeamFusionMod]

Hope to see you in our skies Brandon.

[@SONICBOOM-117]

You have a super cool channel GS. You have a passion for this stuff. Thank you.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

My pleasure and thank you for watching

[@SONICBOOM-117]

@@GrowlingSidewinder do you have anything on vtol vr? I'm still trying to get over the lack of a physical flight stick.

[@stalker1567]

Had this as a kid, looks like I'm going to rebuild it with full hotas and vr now lol.

[@andyh5224]

I loved watching this video as always GS. Great content. You mention the 1930’s biplanes... Sadly, buddy, us Brits fought with those in WW2! They’re called Gloster Gladiators. Three very famous examples were ‘Faith’, ‘Hope’ and ‘Charity’ and were all that we had available to hold off the Axis powers in Malta, summer 1940!

[@thriftstorechicken3395]

A good aircraft, just not as up to date as the opposition.

[@johnnewell726]

The sound of the rounds ripping through the plane is great.

[@griffoncs6431]

I would love to see a p51 mustang vs spitfire dogfight!

[@tupahutuokoneiswife3972]

WTH lol : view @ 6:50 actually looked like a bullet missed the plane and flew past my head!? [BREAK RIGHT! BREAK RIGHT!] my rio

[@Rogueginger69]

Im paused at 1sec in and I'm just to hyped!!! I love WW2 warbirds!

[@xfa33lupisrex52]

Been waiting for you to try tobruk

[@baniexplores]

Hey man just hoping you’ll see this you’ve made my days so much better ever since June last year when I got diagnosed with type one diabetes and it’s been a challenge coping with it but your videos have made it easier as I’ve found this game really fun and has gotten me somthing to do but my computer is slow so it doesn’t run But thank you so much man ❤️ btw I was 12 last year .

[@baniexplores]

Let’s hope 2021 will be better

[@Cory-e9o]

Man i been watching you for year my dude and ive enjoyed every moment of it

[@SusanSev]

Hans Joachim Marseille 'The Star of Africa' lives again !

[@Jarlerus]

O.o Didn't know they had interactive cockpits! I wondered why they released this outside of the "Battle Over..." series! :)

[@mckseal]

Different team made clod, abandoned it. A mod team picked it up and the great battles team bought the source code and rights and handed it all to the mod team to develop.

[@Jarlerus]

@@mckseal Ah, thanks. Explains a lot! :)

[@fenny1578]

CLOD/DW Gameplay: A+ Planeset: A+ GUI: FFFFFFFFFF-

[@virtual_warbirds]

And lack of VR F-

[@jeandufrasne181]

Sure, GUI is very important when flying...

[@fenny1578]

@@jeandufrasne181 It is if you can't figure out how to get to the flying part because the GUI is so out there that it becomes an honest to god hassle.

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@fenny1578 and rebinding keys and getting head tracking working was a three day process that I'm still not satisfied with

[@jeravincer]

Intense! Also like the radio sounds of the dying Pommies …

[@mjhac2685]

Time to get back into IL2 now..

[@jaunbruh4298]

bruh at first i thought the new il2 only had the aircraft that you showcased holy shit now i see why its so exspensive i need to cop this game when i get a more powerful pc im currently play il2 1946 bat mod with a ryzen 5 laptop rn

[@ThunderingVipers]

And its quite difficult as well 😁

[@1invag]

@Godjrah it's all relative man. If you've a lot of experience playing flight sims over many hours you should be able to play it on a keyboard atleast competently. Your not actively learning to fly like he may be. If you don't play flight sims landing alone is fucking hard no matter what you play it on lol

[@Boslandschap1]

It looks amazing indeed. As soon as they have VR support, I'll buy it immediately.

[@Mountain_Manu]

Can't wait until this gets VR. Will probably be my favourite sim

[@virtual_warbirds]

Me too.

[@S1lverspike]

Glad you got into this game. My only gripe is not having enough players. This game is pure skill at its finest with dogfights. Know your strengths and play to them. If you don’t you’re dead.

[@videomaniac108]

The F-2, F-4 and G-2 are my favorite WW2 fighters to fly.

[@iddan1205]

Had the og il2 with a sidewinder control stick. Love this game,wish I had more time to play.

[@TeamFusionMod]

So do we mate. :)

[@danield.7359]

If the military will ever use dog-fighting drones, Growling Sidewinder will be their deadliest ace pilot.

[@harrysmith1986]

Hello, Joystick setup wizard. Where is this? Main menu, under controls setup? Looked and can't find. Cheers

[@16Willmanutd]

Il2 battle of Kuban and Bodenplatte is amazing. Give it a try

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@-Zevin- I find in SP the AI is pretty lame and time dilation ruins many dogfights.

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@-Zevin- Time dilation happens all the time in this game, especially for VR users. I am only running a rift s with an i7-9750h and rtx 2070 so my system is legitimate. In Cliffs I get like a zillion FPS and no time dilation (slow motion) in combat. GB has a frametime issue even on the newest systems in heavily loaded SP scenarios.

[@calinho_1515]

This sim is almost 10 years old now, only become playable with latest team fusion patches. When i bought this sim in 2011 it was a complete disaster, so many things missing and bugs

[@KarayaYT]

It's a gem now with Blitz and Tobruk

[@kg_sroberth2238]

@@KarayaYT But still with some bugs... I can overlook them, but others may get a bit upset about this. The interface is still not beginner friendly and you don't have a stat, which shows you how much ground objects you have destroyed. I love this sim, but TF has still allot to do.

[@jeandupont8501]

Not a disaster, it was quickly fixed and although not perfect, very enjoyable.

[@kcmsterpce]

The sim looks great. I agree the battle damage is great. Also, I think I prefer WWII dogfights due to the more "organic" simplicity and dynamics over jet aircraft. Very different gameplay, but sometimes it's just fun to only worry about guns.

[@danperin]

And Cliffs engine has plane internals also modeled and texturized (all bullet reactive) which adds more satisfaction to dismantle those birds with cannon fire. :D

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@danperin Cliffs DM is astounding. GB is a joke in comparison. I do think GB fms are much better though as Cliffs planes feel more generic while GB planes all feel very unique.

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@danperin I wish the best parts of both sims could be combined.

[@leodubray1827]

Thanks for doing that demo on that I've been wanting to play that platform for a while but I don't have time

[@Mysticpuma]

Wait until you see the new weather and VR Growling Sidewinder. Hopefully the team will share it with you to showcase soon?

[@dioad1739]

Great GS king of the sky you are.

[@stanlim9182]

Any plans to fly other aircrafts such as the F4u Corsair, A6M zero or the Yak 3 ?

[@keithbumford4261]

Beta testing of VR implementation, and 4K landscape/aircraft textures, TrueSky weather/clouds is now in progress using members of the public as testers (selection is now over; testing is confined to those who already applied).

[@lobster838]

cool how you can hear the screaming of the pilots you shoot down

[@mikemontgomery2654]

IL-2 is definitely a great game!

[@kentwilliams4152]

Have you tried “Aces High?” My understanding is that the flight models are quite accurate. Also, one of my favorite A/C is the B109F4.

[@bsinforoso]

Cliffs, for me the BEST WW2 sim out there

[@oMaGicKsv]

I just can't explain it but Britain and flight seems to invoke such a beautiful emotion? Strange 😂

[@deusk6603]

How are your graphics looking so good? Are you using any mods and which ones?. I got a close set up to yours using a 1080 ti.

[@jeandupont8501]

Impressive you didn't know about this sim. Great you discovered it. Enjoy 👍😄

[@simoniron8416]

It doesn't change much that cockpit is interactive, because to be effective in flight sim I need to use my button box systems, and not to try point the switch with mouse cursor during the fight. So the question is... is there no problems with using button boxes, cause they work with Cliffs of Dover, is it still usable ?

[@nosehook]

Flanker (way before DCS) and IL-2 used to be my favourite flight sims about 15 years ago. IL-2 has some other packages with end of WW-2 german planes, like the ME-262 and some exotic ones. Good to see it still is a great game! Try to get Longshot in on it too and do some Spitfire v/s BF-109 ...

[@trainknut]

Blitz and Tobruk compared to the original Cliffs of Dover is night and day... I played a bit of the original and, it was buggy and laggy to say the least, and didn't look half as good as this. Thanks to the Team Fusion team we finally have a worthy successor to IL-2 1946, and honestly, I actually like this a little bit better than Great Battles/BoS One thing I really appreciate is how the UI and customization clearly take after 1946 far more than Great Battles... one thing that really bugs me about that game is that there aren't dynamic markings, so you get entire formations of the exact same plane which isn't realistic. Radio commands are also straight up lifted from 1946, which is honestly way better than Great Battles - communicating with the ground and with your wingmen works exactly the way it does in 1946, which is to say, it is a lot more robust and user friendly than the radio in BOS. Basically what you're getting is a game that has all of the graphical fidelity of IL-2 Great Battles or DCS World, with all of the UI and modularity of 1946, essentially making it the perfect IL-2 game... And all of this I got for 47 bucks Canadian, or, less than the price of a Battle of Stalingrad module with less than half the content, and half of a DCS one which usually only contain one vehicle... with two full maps, dozens of aircraft, and again, the best visuals in the series. And did I mention ALL of that runs at 60 fps on my shit rig from 2013... while steaming youtube videos? _Why is this game a 60% on steam???_

[@paez4779]

That's a fantastic SIM

[@heathsaunders7426]

There is a way to look down the gun pip way better to help nail shots too bro 👍

[@cdrseabee]

How about some IL2 great battle coverage? Along with Flying Circus. Not to mention Tank Crew. All have VR support!

[@forest4283]

If only they released it in VR. /sadface.

[@wanderlustwasted]

As soon as VR hits I’m buying this

[@Darrylx444]

Yep, me too. I used to like CLoD years ago in TrackIR, but haven't touched it since I switched to VR.

[@Cybermat47]

We're planning to implement VR in a future update.

[@forest4283]

@@Cybermat47 I don't know who you are - but if you speak the truth, then take my money!

[@Darrylx444]

@@Cybermat47 Good stuff! I will buy it when you do. Also, please natively support canted display HMDs like Pimax (and Index). Otherwise we get terrible FPS due to having to use the Parallel Projection option in PiTool.

[@superancientmariner1394]

Martlet was Royal navy, not RAF.

[@thecoolmagnet3785]

Sidewinder : the ai is verry well developed; me : remembers that the same ai was used in il2 1946

[@Orange_390]

Here I was wondering what kind of module was this for DCS 😅😅

[@SerbianDingo]

Nigga????? You never heard of il-2 before this?

[@Orange_390]

@@SerbianDingo I did but, I thought it was an arcade like game 😅, frankly I didn't expect it to be like this

[@danperin]

@@Orange_390 The BoX series have pretty good FMs, Dms, graphics and etc...But the Cliffs engine is more simulator driven with clickable interactive cockpits for some sim study and a really good damage model!

[@SerbianDingo]

@@Orange_390 hey no prob I grew up with the il-2 games so I know it the instance I see it

[@ditzydoo4378]

Growling on the flight line staring at his BF-109, Ummm Hans! Were the hades are my Fox-Two's??? you now like Sidewinders!! Hans stares at Growling. Was ist das mine leader???

[@rowanhawklan9707]

I remember playing Il2 Stormovic on the PS2 so it's been around (or previous versions have been around) for a long time!

[@flare2000x]

The original IL2 came out in 2000 (or 2001?) for PC. It was updated for a few years, I think the final version of the original game was released in around 06. You can still get that one today. Around then they also came out with a console spinoff, I think it was called IL2 Birds of Prey for the PS3 and Xbox. Don't know about a PS2 game though. That game was from a different developer and was much more arcadey. It eventually became the basis for War Thunder. This game (Cliffs of Dover) came out in 2011. It has since been abandoned and then resurrected by Team Fusion. In 2013 IL2 Battle of Stalingrad came out, this is the newest and most popular version and it has multiple expansions (Battle of _____).

[@virtual_warbirds]

@@flare2000x Actually Cliffs game engine is much newer and more advance than Great Battles which is the ROF engine (released in 2006-07 or so?).

[@keithwaterhouse2845]

Good to see you flying a real plane instead of a delivery vehicle but what were you thinking getting into a turn fight with a Hurricane flying a BF 109?

[@absolutezero6423]

Is there planes from the Pacific campaign? I am a fan of the F4U Corsair and F6F Hellcat. Also a fan of the Mitsubishi Zero.

[@Cybermat47]

Only the Martlet, I’m afraid.

[@absolutezero6423]

@@Cybermat47 thanks. Shame. Maybe a expansion hopefully in the future.

[@ph2738]

I was a big fan of IL-2 of 2000 era. I was unstoppable in a Ki-84. Did you ever fly the sim Jane’s World War II Fighters 1998? That AI I. That sim was a great shot! You had to jink on a merge with them because they’d hit you on a head on pass every time.