Round-Ball Paper Cartridges

[@GunsOfTheWest]

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[@ernestschott282]

But should I use 25 grain with brass body?

[@charlesbeeman8323]

​@ernestschott282 I use between 25 and 32 with mine, and it shoots beautifully

[@d.b.hemlock]

This is my first experience into the world cap and ball revolvers. I just got my hands on a beautiful 1858 New Army and I had no idea you could make your cartridges. This is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you for this awesome video!

[@Jo_Wardy]

Nice. You get all the cool revolvers in America. We can't have this stuff in Australia. But I can have Gel Blasters without any license or hassle.

[@TicTac-g7m]

​@@Jo_Wardy Might be able to soak the gel balls (which expand) with a solution of ghost peppers.

[@thievingpanda]

​@@Jo_WardyIf you're willing to support our second amendment you should move here. Becomes a citizen and vote against gun control. We need immigrants like that.

[@seewaage]

I bought your cartridge maker for .36 cal revolvers. I tried the cartridges today and it worked great! It was very convenient to not have to do all of that measuring in the field. They all fired without any issues. Thanks for making a cool product!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thanks for your business!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

So glad you have these kits for folks. Amazing stuff!

[@evanlothrop1454]

I really like when you cover paper cartridges they are really neat

[@GunsOfTheWest]

I love shooting them!

[@calvint_rallycross]

I got my tin of lube today. I busted out my cartridge kit and finally made my first batch of paper cartridges. They turned out awesome!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

That’s great! Thanks for your business!

[@whittytrich6150]

I just stumbled across the video. I've been shooting cap n ball for a couple years and never even thought to make paper cartridges. This video is great

[@Brentisimo]

The sound of your shots towards the end was so satisfying!

[@thomasmoorman5328]

Short update I watched this video over again. Got several loaded and lubed. I'm pretty happy with results. great product.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

That’s great to hear! Thanks for your business!

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

That's a much better way to lube them than what I did! Great video Dustin!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thanks, Richard!

[@billysmith6284]

I had trouble making cartridges with conicals.. round balls worked fine..

[@averageamerican9427]

I have a Pietta repro Colt 1851 navy revolver in .44 mag. This was very helpful to me because after getting this revolver, now I'm wanting to get into black powder.

[@sleeperno1215]

Got this kit for .44 and .36 and love it.

[@L3THALXFOX]

Crazy how this is almost as fast as a brass cartridge gun

[@purpleguy5226]

def cuts the time in half

[@growleym504]

Even faster, if you have an 1858, is preloading a couple of spare cylinders. With practice you can do a tactical reload in about 5 seconds. Just remember that the Uberti and Pietta cylinders are not cross compatible. Whichever maker, use that maker's cylinders. Also, I usually don't use paper cartridges but when I do, I like to poke a flash hole in the end. On rare occasion the cap will not burn through the paper. If you poke a hole, a bit of powder naturally spills out while loading, and ignition is pretty certain.

[@robertbooth7396]

Thank you for producing this KZbin. I have only recently become the owner of a Walker 44 and your short KZbin answered about every question I had. Cheers! reb

[@jeffreyarnold2929]

This kit is great. I have the 44 and the Walker mandrels. I make a few shells first then load them with powder and balls later. Very relaxing hobby.

[@mirek_k]

Ytb led me here when I am learning to make cartridges for my rifle, but the sound of this Navy guy firing uuuff, I feel like I felt in love.

[@athol67]

Just ordered a kit for 44and 36 cal great video thanks

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thanks for your business!

[@jimmytorrez6505]

Just got a couple of these as a gift, and this is the video I’ve been needing. Thank you.

[@tomcurran8470]

Mike of Duelist1954 promoted your items and channel in his 10/12/23 Colt vs Remington shoot out. I'll be tuning in to you too. Greetings from Mayberry, NC.

[@couerleroi1]

Genius!!!! Just got mine in today. What a simple, effective invention!!

[@ColtGuthrie]

This looks like an exceptional kit for the price. The tooling seems intuitive and well designed. I'll be picking one up today 👍

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thanks!

[@darrellh1840]

Dustin, thank you for the videos!!! I ordered a kit for my .44 with extras last night and it shipped this morning...outstanding! Sent the video to a friend in another state who just bought a .36 and he is ordering a kit.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thank you for your business!

[@kayscott3374]

Do those work on flintlock pistol too

[@Booza23]

Just made 10 yesterday and shot them today. Excellent kit!

[@carbuyingadventureswithmar8801]

What an awesome sound when firing and very informative video.

[@picklesauce3781]

Love these videos, Dustin! I’m making my own cartridges with one of your kits, and round balls are all I can get a hold of.

[@jason60chev]

Conical J&D bullets are available from several vendors

[@byazura9824]

This is amazing. I've been watching all your videos on cap and ball revolvers in preparation for my first revolver. You sir are a grate teacher.

[@mauriceorayii2964]

I have a nice assortment going, but old-school wheel guns will always be my favorite.

[@azvoltmanphoenix446]

Thanks so much Dustin for this step by step video. So many of us really benefited and enjoyed ..........awesome job brother !!

[@Seahawksl1969]

I've been waiting for this one. I bought your cartridge kit for my 1858 Pietta that uses round balls.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

I hope this helped! Thanks for watching!

[@Seahawksl1969]

@@GunsOfTheWest yes it did Dustin. I've been lining up the paper along the bottom and trimming only the top portion.

[@autismion]

@@Seahawksl1969 Are you loading more than 25 grains? I load 35 in my Pietta 1858, with two felt wads, and there's still some space in the chamber Is the colt 1860 cylinder the same diameter all the way in? Maybe it can't hold as much powder

[@Seahawksl1969]

@@autismion Are you loading directly into the chamber and not using paper cartridges? I have only used a maximum of 25 grains in paper cartridges using Dustin's kit with round balls.

[@bluescatreimer]

Ordered the 44/36 kit with extra papers today.

[@paulw6550]

Excellent Video. I shot my Dance revolver last weekend with these. I have 200 paper cartridges made and ready. Love the idea of the dip lube, I will be melting some lube before I shoot again, as I did notice the need for some.

[@JWheeler331]

I definitely need to pick up one of your kits.

[@gregzeigler3850]

They are nice kits and fast shipping too. He has a site on Esty.

[@wadejustanamerican1201]

Looks like I'll be buying a kit on payday. Thanks for the video

[@matthewsullivan5713]

I've actually been making these for the past 2 months, and I must say they're accurate and fun!! I've been loading up the cylinders with lube after I press the cartridge in but next time I'll try dipping them instead! Seems a lot less messy and better overall. Keep up the great videos!

[@briangilmore2256]

Messed up my first 3 round ball cartridges. I think I’ve got it now. Great easy kit. Can’t wait to get out and shoot afew. Now I just need to get a way to store them in bulk. Thanks!

[@blackhawk65589]

You can tell this kit was well thought out

[@briangilmore2256]

I’ve tried rolling my own before by hand but never had any reliability. Can’t wait to try your kit. Thanks

[@eancola6111]

I’ve actually gotten into a rhythm doing them by hand, I roll cigarette paper around something small and round and get a tapered cone, then I twist off the bottom and add my powder charge. Then I drop a ball into the paper and push it down until it’s tight and then flip it around and push the powder charge down against the ball, then just twist off both ends and trim the excess.

[@thomasmoorman5328]

Dang it man. I bought your kit and watched the video on conical paper cartridges but not the round ball one here. I tried loading round balls and it was a mess to say the least. I got one and it was the first one done but after 6 more attempts I packed it up. This video I believe will help me. Thanks SMH

[@Akuma-jx8dr]

Is it possible to use rolling papers for the cartridges?

[@KevinMn1]

Great content as always! How long could you store pre-made paper cartridges assuming a cool and dry environment? Would the glue and lube eventually degrade the paper and powder?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

They can actually be stored indefinitely. The glue is dry before the powder is added and the lube does not make contact with the powder at all if it’s applied correctly. Thanks for watching!

[@Buddhadan100]

wow those mountains are awesome scenery for shooting

[@darrellh1840]

Hey Dustin…an up date…me and my friend previously mentioned made up some paper cartridges and took them to the range yesterday…they worked great!!! Thanks again for the videos and kits!!! Keep up the great videos!!!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

That’s great to hear!

[@outdoorfreedom9778]

Wish I would have had a kit like this when I was still shooting black!

[@scottjackson1636]

I need to order some of that dip.

[@string-bag]

Great video, many thanks.

[@thisISaPENn]

So i just did these a few weeks back using the original video as instruction. They work FANTASTICLY. I did nitrate my paper. I am currently makeing some test loads with recite paper as i am a server and we throw so much away.

[@Cyotis]

I would be interested in knowing how your experiment with receipt paper goes. If you dont mind sharing your results.

[@mekaerwin7187]

I know this is really old, but how do you nitrate paper?

[@thisISaPENn]

@@mekaerwin7187 Postisum nitrate dissolved in water, soak paper, let dry. Use gloves.

[@mekaerwin7187]

@@thisISaPENn Thanks a lot!

[@fashionstreet1]

Awesome and entertaining and detailed video on making paper cartridges im very appreciated 👍this sure beats loading the chamber and definitely a lot faster loading your revolver!

[@stonewelch3171]

hello from France ... really very good ... thank you for all your advice. see you soon

[@katsomething3622]

without a patch or filling with lube, is just dipping the bullet/balls enough to reliably keep chain fires from occurring?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Chain fires are actually prevented by using the correct-sized ball. That’s part of what I meant when I talked in the video about using the right ball for your gun. The lube has more to do with keeping the bore fouling from hardening, so the shots stay accurate. Thanks for watching!

[@Brentisimo]

@@GunsOfTheWest I wasn’t aware of that. I think I’ve been over-using the lube on my percussion revolvers. Thank you!

[@Bucky1836]

@@Brentisimo i lube my barrel before i shoot every 25 or so round i swab and re lube

[@jameskinsey7866]

Ordered by .36 caliber kit a few weeks ago and it works perfectly. It's a wonder waste of time to form cartridges!

[@Squib1911]

Good demo video. The percussion caps are in and out of stock. I bought 200 CCI #11's at a sporting goods store in northern Michigan two weekends ago (10 Apr 21).

[@Buddyyz]

Yoooo I just bought a 36 caliber kit thanks bro it’s literally has everything you need even the lube well worth the buy can’t wait for it to get here

[@SavageMcBeastdog]

Tighten your screw. I just tightened mine. Great video and thanks sir!

[@rotaman8555]

Awesome! I’m buying one!

[@Luka2000_]

Really well done!

[@hunterjones3594]

These seem great, and far less messy than loading loose powder. I am wondering though how they hold up to storage?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Very well. As long as they’re kept dry, they’ll last indefinitely. Here’s the link for the kits: gunsoftheweststore.com/collections/complete-paper-cartridge-kits Thanks for watching!

[@williammccaslin8527]

Thx for the vid Dustin

[@GunsOfTheWest]

You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@mkshffr4936]

I was just thinking (risky), with paper cartridges reloading might not be all that much slower than a peacemaker since you have to cap it but you don't have to punch out empties. So a little slower but maybe not as bad as it would seem.

[@rich4u1973]

Thank you just received my kit a few days ago

[@seanfoltz7645]

I found that using the stick as a guide when cutting the paper that by cutting it into thirds you get a near prefect fit and only have to trim the top. Additionally, my flask has a long neck which allows it to automatically measure 25 units of powder, thus letting me skip the step of having to use the measure which is built in. Otherwise this kit works as advertised and has almost no learning curve to it, allowing me to knock out 24 rounds easily and with only two mess ups, both happening when I was wrapping the paper around the rod at the start. Score yourself a plastic .45 caliber bullet case to store the finished cartridges in - you can get a really nice one at Academy sports that holds 50 rounds for just $3 with a lid that snaps on tightly and doesn't allow them to rattle around and potentially get damaged.

[@reaperreconnaissance599]

Hey Dustin, do you nitrate your papers before making your cartridges? I have one of your kits (love it btw) and was just wondering if you made them as is or if you’d recommend nitrating them first. Thanks!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

I’ve actually never bothered with nitrating the paper. I get a little bit of paper left in the chambers sometimes, but not enough to cause any trouble.

[@reaperreconnaissance599]

@@GunsOfTheWest thanks Dustin, I’ll give it a try and see how it performs!

[@SuperHddeuce]

Nice video. I've always used round ball's and have loaded them in paper cartridges but put the paper all the way over it and twisted them I'm going to have to order your kit. I've got the lube from you but haven't had a chance to use it I think I'll go tomorrow after work.

[@kentonjoegibsonii2211]

This is a awesome video thanks man.

[@Cyotis]

Super kewl video! That looks like it make shooting black powder more fun at the range. I want a Remington 1858 in 36 caliber. But they are hard to find right now.

[@colinbloomer2259]

Can I load 30 grains of powder into the paper instead of .25 for the extra power?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

This one holds 30 instead of 25. gunsoftheweststore.com/products/paper-cartridge-kit-44-xl-30-grain-charge

[@scottygoodwin4276]

Thanks JUSTIN, I like that hat also.

[@stephenhair5501]

Great informative video. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.

[@connormarek1028]

Great video as always :)

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Thanks!

[@crawlspaceboy5575]

Thank you for your videos!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

You’re welcome!

[@normalcitizen_1]

Request for a future video: As we sad Europeans stand in front of a future lead ban on all firearms (including black powder guns) can you make a video of alternative projectiles of non lead that can be used for both for smoothbore and rifled guns? Thanks and have a nice day

[@Bjornvetr]

As far as I know, hunting lead ammunition will be banned, but for sports shooting there is a derogation if shooting ranges are equipped with bullet traps.

[@budove58]

I would like to know how copper or aluminum balls perform. Surely worse than lead but it does seem like they would work.

[@Mothmann.]

Crossbows are also good too.

[@Noobish_Camper55]

There is always non compliance and just melt your own lead ball ammo. Probably cheaper too once you get the equipment.

[@DesertJeff]

You use the same music that Matt's off-road recovery in hurricane Nevada uses. It's good music. Also bought that paper cartridge reloading kit.

[@BlackPowderGeek]

What paper are you using exactly? (my apologies if you said that in the video and I missed it). There seems to be just a hint of hangfire when you shoot those.

[@mechredd]

What type of hotplate do you use? Is it one for cooking or will a warming plate work?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Mine is made for cooking, but anything warm enough to melt the lube should be fine.

[@NotSoDumb]

Got my kit, making cartridges for my 1851 Navy right now.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Awesome! Thanks for your business!

[@NotSoDumb]

You're very welcome. I'd like to see your conical bullet, can you toss me a link? Thanks again.@@GunsOfTheWest

[@joemexicat2077]

Thanks for teaching us so much about black powder firearms. Do you know any stores that carry black powder for pistols?

[@blueduck9409]

Cabelas, track of the wolf, brownells, graff and sons. Look up GOEX on line to find a dealer/distributer near you.

[@joemexicat2077]

@@blueduck9409 thanks

[@blueduck9409]

@@joemexicat2077 Welcome bud.

[@billietyree6139]

Get yourself a cap maker kit and a few rolls of caps for toy cap guns and make your caps a powerful as you please.

[@marinetrooperlawyer]

What is the best glue? Something mixed with saltpeter? Which will burn most completely?

[@randellhillspeaks753]

I made paper cartridges out of Rolling Papers Pyrodex pellets and around ball put a widen but of course the paper absorb the lubrication on the WOD

[@michaelc2566]

Do you have a kit for the 3 model Dragoon and does some paper remain in the cylinder making cleaning more difficult?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

My Walker cartridge formers also fit in the Dragoon revolvers. (40-grain powder charge.) Sometimes, a little paper gets left behind, but it rinses right out during cleaning.

[@BogeyTheBear]

Paper should scrub out as easily as the fouling. What you might have to look out for is a ring of unburnt paper left behind in the chamber. I've heard of that sort of debris being found inside the chamber, but I guess that depends on the paper you use or particular gun models. Care should be taken during reloading to make sure no paper in the cylinder is still smouldering hot enough to ignite the new cartridge/powder charge. Visually inspect chambers, blow them out, or wait long enough until any sparks have burned away.

[@imahoare4742]

How are those SlixShots working out for you? Are you still getting jams?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

They’re great! The guns that I’ve put them on work almost flawlessly.

[@halo3odst]

Me again Two questions this time 1: are there any disadvantages to using paper cartridges over just making traditional on the spot style loads? 2: what is the lube for? Is it only for sealing the load in the cylinder? Is it required if you are going to set off the load immediately? Does it help prevent lead from caking the barrel?

[@oldstoner-xn4pe]

Can you use pellet insted of power?

[@cedricsarah5404]

Just found this video. Awesome. Do you have this kit in .31

[@GunsOfTheWest]

I do. Here’s the direct link: gunsoftheweststore.com/products/paper-cartridge-kit-31-caliber

[@jffry890]

So you don't need to poke a hole in the bottom or anything? The percussion cap pierces the paper and ignites the powder?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

@@jffry890 That’s right. The burst of fire from the cap goes right through the paper. You can see the kits for making these here: gunsoftheweststore.com Thanks for watching!

[@jffry890]

​​@@GunsOfTheWest I saw your FAQs video immediately after I commented and it answered that question.

[@landocommando8]

Just brought one!

[@LylasDad]

Thank you for the gun safety and respect.

[@Alexitt50]

Pretty much exactly how I do it with your kit both for the .44 and .36 both... Another great video Dustin, I have learned an awful lot from you and a couple of others on youtube... Keep up the Great work!!! Question? What would be the best nipples for RWS 1075 caps, they tend to be just a tad loose on my stock Pietta nipples... I was able to find them in 1000 lots but am running low on Rem and CCI, which I can't seem to find...

[@1straightcut]

Hi Justin, I am new to your channel and really appreciate your good content and information! Have you ever compared the accuracy of hand cast balls with sprue to swaged balls with no sprue? I'm thinking of shooting the NMLRA Postal Match. I expect the swaged/no sprue balls to be the best choice for that, but like the cost of hand cast balls! Thank you for your great information!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Hi, Mark! I haven’t done that comparison. (Though that may be a good video.) Like you, I’d imagine the swaged ball would be best, especially over longer distances. Thanks for watching!

[@1straightcut]

@@GunsOfTheWest Indeed, they are longer distances! There are 16 shots at two targets at 25 yards and 10 shots at 50 yards - all with single hand hold. I might be pleased just to hit the paper, especially at 50 yards!

[@TheAirplaneDriver]

Hi Dustin. I really enjoy your videos. I’m ready to buy a cartridge kit but wanted to ask first if the paper is nitrated? Thanks!

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Good morning! It’s not nitrated.

[@TheAirplaneDriver]

@@GunsOfTheWest thanks!

[@TheAirplaneDriver]

Just ordered a set. You kit looks great. Can’t wait to try it. Thanks!

[@thedavidfield1]

Is there no delay between the cap firing and the paper catching to ignite the powder? It doesn’t seem like it from the video but there always been my worry with these.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

The caps fire much harder than a lot of people realize. The paper is really no barrier for them.

[@thedavidfield1]

@@GunsOfTheWest thank you!

[@ChicanoSteve]

Wondering if we can use substitute like 777 or pyrodex?!???? 🤔

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Yes.

[@ChicanoSteve]

@@GunsOfTheWest Thank you Mr Dustin for the reply and for an awesome channel! We've learned very much since we are new to BP and my boys (7-8 and daughter 14yr olds) will reap the benefits of knowledge aquired here, thank you Sir for all that you do... 💯💥🤠

[@ChicanoSteve]

@@GunsOfTheWest ... We gonna buy your cartridge kit for our two pepperboxes in .36 (wish you could make fun video about them😉) and our three 51 Navy's in .44 caliber since we missed your promo code "SUMMER", we missed out and was wondering if you had any special discounts coming up to buy your cartridge kit for both .36 and .44, we'll really appreciate it, thanks again Mr Dustin for you sharing your knowledge and videos for us all to enjoy, thank you and God bless and GodSpeed!.... 💯💥🤠

[@GunsOfTheWest]

@@ChicanoSteve Use coupon code LABOR for 10% off. gunsoftheweststore.com

[@Kaptin_Kirk]

Why do you lube the shot? (New to the black powder scene)

[@dalesearcy5734]

What do you mean by live the shot? Level?

[@daniels4385]

@@dalesearcy5734 I suppose he meant lube

[@Kaptin_Kirk]

@@daniels4385 I did

[@GunsOfTheWest]

The lube helps to keep the fouling in the bore from hardening, which would ruin accuracy after a few cylinders. It’s not absolutely necessary, but I’ve found I can shoot longer with good results if I do it.

[@Kaptin_Kirk]

@@GunsOfTheWest thank you so much

[@michaelpage4199]

That was great

[@zxtuner4lyfe]

Maybe I will buy one when paper are back in stock

[@GunsOfTheWest]

It’s actually back in stock now. I just updated the website this morning. gunsoftheweststore.com

[@JongsungChoi]

was there an instance where the 1861navy and the 1860 army got the Rollin white patent conversions? or no.

[@the_great_tigorian_channel]

There he goes again... burning through those rare percussion caps... worth their weight in gold... almost. 😜

[@BogeyTheBear]

Irony: You can make a (very dangerously sensitive) substitute for mercury fulminate by using silver instead of mercury. Silver fulminate is so pressure-sensitive that it can be set off by its own weight if you make a sizable pile of it.

[@GunsOfTheWest]

Lately, I don’t fire as many shots in my videos as I used to. LOL!

[@the_great_tigorian_channel]

@@GunsOfTheWest I noticed the carbonated bandits didn’t show up today... maybe they are all out of caps too. Lol.

[@twodogshawkeye9968]

Do you double cut if loading for 36 caliber my cartridges have a thick side as opposed to just a thin strip

[@Floridafellaa]

I just got my first cap and ball, it's a Ruger old army, would this work with it?

[@GunsOfTheWest]

It will. A lot of people pre left my .44 XL kit for that gun because it can load 30 grains of powder instead of just 25. Here’s the direct link: gunsoftheweststore.com/products/paper-cartridge-kit-44-xl-30-grain-charge Congrats on your first cap & ball revolver!

[@Floridafellaa]

@@GunsOfTheWest thanks! Just ordered it!