Stinger Tactical Whip is Better Than The Expandable Baton

[@hard2hurt]

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[@hard2hurt]

@@stefanh5699 at the same time? Y'all wild.

[@SwordTune]

Do a knife defense video, but the knives are kreigmessers (war knives the size of longswords).

[@ericdornbush5888]

Mike what about the old school nightstick the ones that look more like a tonfa

[@sixfootkiwi6957]

@@ericdornbush5888 That would be interesting.

[@r.matthews594]

Does that mean if I buy the Stinger Tactical Whip, the pepper spray gun, the pepper ball gun and the tactical pen you'll be able to buy a helicopter? Because I'm all in if we can get a helicopter intro.

[@lazyking7444]

" You cant wrestle a naked guy. Cuz even if you win, you loose." XD

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

Esspecially if he has aids

[@FathomFrequency]

😂😂😂

[@justasleepparalysisdemonwi8719]

Lazyking Lord-Of-Games I mean it’s true though😂😂😂

[@bunny19041]

I mean... He's not wrong tho

[@googleisacruelmistress1910]

* ancient Greeks have entered the chat *

[@aweba25]

I worked as a max security corrections officer for 3 years. I'm also a martial artist of many arts. As a max security officer I've been in 2 prison riots, several fights with inmates. I've used the wooden baton and the collapsible. BATONS DO NOT WORK, ESPECIALLY THE WAY LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE TRAINED TO USE THEM. They don't work for one simple reason, RANGE. The baton is only effective at it's tip, when striking. 9 times out of 10 you are being rushed by the attacker and they close the range faster than expected. Second reason BATONS DON'T WORK. Regardless if you are law enforcement or civilian, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SKILL OR STRENGTH TO SWING THE BATON CORRECTLY IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE. A whip is FLEXIBLE, because it is flexible, you can swing it at multiple angles with average power and it will sting.

[@labbyshepherdpuppy5943]

aweba25 people treat it too much like a blade than a stick, that’s why they hit with the blunt not the tip

[@aweba25]

@@labbyshepherdpuppy5943 I agree completely.

[@SaftonYT]

This sounds like a case for more training than anything. There are a lot of accounts I've read by cops and security officers ending fights with batons. Anecdotes are anecdotes.

[@aweba25]

@@SaftonYT Did you read or did you experience it for yourself?

[@SaftonYT]

@@aweba25 I read them, same as I read your accounts here. That's my entire point.

[@kjcross1087]

They aren't lying lol. I just got my Stinger today and I've hit myself a hundred times already bc it's a true novelty that practically no force hurts like hell. This thing is amazing. It hurts like you wouldn't believe. Just a flick of the wrist feels like a wasp sting. Land it at 20% and it's like a fist covered in wasps punching you. These dudes are being honest 100%

[@JelloFluoride]

What a coincidence! Wasp-Fist is my new Kung Fu style!

[@CrystaTiBoha]

Easy: put whip on one end, expandable baton with a spike on the other! Version 2: Also include rails for mounting a tactical flashlight somewhere.

[@i7gykk087]

And tejp a shootgun to it👍

[@ArifRWinandar]

Tactical flail!

[@TobbeStorm]

That's a part of my stand point as to why I like the baton. The bottom cap can be replaced by both a flashlight and a glass breaker. Imagine the impact of shining into someone's eyes at first when the situation is uneasy. If they're armed you'll know. Going in for two quick and unexpected blows, because they won't see what's on the other end of your flashlight when you're holding it up to your shoulder, will put the situation at your advantage. Specially when there's two or more attackers who likely will be armed. Remember bad guys fight dirty.

[@juliansanderson839]

TobbeStorm if you’re gonna flashlight somebody, why settle for a worse tool when you could just as easily use a separate flashlight in the offhand instead?

[@CrystaTiBoha]

@@juliansanderson839 That may be a good idea, but in that case don't forget to take the Two Weapon Style talent for +20% attack speed.

[@TheFightBible]

Been hit by both. The whip is way worse

[@37895]

Uummmmm

[@Luciferofom]

I don't know, broken knee caps can be pretty bad.

[@fleimlehner]

The whip hurts a lot more but the baton does way more damage. The whip carries a lot of speed but no mass and in turn damages soft tissue like it was wet paper where as the baton is heavier and slower and hard and can crack skulls. doesnt do much soft tissue damage tho and so in turn doesnt give that stinging pain like the whip.

[@johnmcenroe1760]

Bradley Scott Let me hit your feet with the baton and you'll change ur mind.

[@Fivetothefive]

Or way better depending on the situation

[@JoeR-wq2cj]

IcyMike you should tell more stories about when you were a cop. Yes

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

Yes

[@Nepthu]

Nice idea!

[@bkackmagic555]

Doesn't mean they know better. Cops used 9mm instead of .40 because it "seemed better" instead of just using better ammo. Glocks had a history of blowing up. Cops said Teflon pierced vests and was evil.

[@freddurham8102]

@@bkackmagic555 Who are you talking to?

[@ricedaddy1583]

@@freddurham8102 Both u guys injected yourselves in this conversation LOL u not any better 😆

[@10upstudios]

you know its a good hard2hurt video when they break out the whip

[@ndyoyo1905]

Who? Oh u mean James McAvoy?

[@ramoncotta1264]

Honestly, I was taught the use of a baton differently than your demonstration. The technique was to hit the shin, knee, or side of the knee, not the upper body or side of the upper leg. I used the shin strike once when threatened by two men. The threat was ended immediately as soon as the larger one went down screaming in agony. The second guy ran off. I was able to run away, which I did as fast as possible. I am the short stocky type, and this is very effective for defending against larger opponents.

[@SaftonYT]

7:10 Sounds like a good case for putting a glass-breaker tip or whatever on the baton. Most manufacturers make them. You also can't frame with the whip, though the point about achieving an underhook remains. I've done a fair amount of research on the use of batons by police in incident reports. ASPs are by far the most popular and everything I've heard backs up what you say at 2:10. I've read about ASPs (especially the silly Airweight ones) being literally bent out of shape after being used to beat on a suspect's legs or whatever without stopping the scuffle. Conversely, with other models that are built more heavily (Peacekeeper RCB, Smartlock, S&W, whatever), there are anecdotes all over the place about them fracturing bones with single strikes and ending fights. Lots of officers still carry the old side-handles or wooden straight sticks for the same reason. I'm just leery of dismissing an object that has been not only a battlefield weapon but law enforcement/self-defense tool (in one form or another) for centuries in cultures all around the world so readily. Conversely, flexible weapons have a far less forgiving historical outlook.

[@hard2hurt]

I should wear an ascot and let you write the scripts for the video.

[@SaftonYT]

@@hard2hurt Do I get a commission? xD Love your channel by the way. It's one of the few I subscribe to and manages to be more informative than most educational channels and funnier than most comedy channels.

[@georgiishmakov9588]

the only reason we've gone away from the whip is its relationship with slavery and animals. They're a symbol of cruelty and unfairness.

[@bartholomewlyons]

@@SaftonYT get off of his d… baton bro

[@SasquatchTX]

A state trooper I was acquainted with got called by a weigh master to deal with a trucker who was assaulting him. Trooper arrives, winds up in the fight. Deploys his issued ASP. Trooper proceeds to strike the trucker about a dozen times. Bent the damn baton so it no longer closed. Trucker finally just stopped because he realized that the next step in gaining compliance was the trooper shooting him, as the baton was totally ineffective. Trucker was not on drugs, just a corn fed country boy pissed off that he was being taken out of service for equipment violations or some shit. Trooper said he never bothered with his baton after that, if he had to fight he would use his OC or go hands on.

[@DavidHernandez-dk1zs]

Asp batons are not as good as people make them out to be, several videos have came out of people bending and breaking them during stress tests. The best baton brands on the market are Euro Security Products and Bonowi, there are videos of people breaking concrete blocks and running them over with cars and the batons do not bend, I doubt a corn fed country boy is harder to hurt than a block of concrete.

[@shadoewater]

Wall of text here. You've been warned. As a woman who was working a delivery job alone every night, until after bar close... I think having both the baton and the whip on hand is something I'm going to be doing, personally. If nothing else, the baton gives me a sense of comfort that I have something solid that can potentially do a lot of damage if the whip just pisses off my attacker and doesn't actually stop them. And it tends to make a noise that could be a deterrent, or at least make them hesitate for a split second. Also, a chick with multiple weapons on hand looks like less of an easy target, am I right? My reason for doing so: I quit my job as a delivery driver very quickly after a drunk guy lunged at me in full view of the public, and with three cops standing on the street right around the corner. He moved like he was going to grab me, and then laughed like it was a joke. I have a past with being abused, and I did not expect my reaction was going to be going on auto pilot and losing all train of thought beyond a very vague sense of "I should put that street sign between me and him", and then to make a bee-line for my car. Said bee-line almost had me walking into traffic, which I think startled him more than it did me at the time. I was carrying pepper spray that night and it never even crossed my mind to grab it, even though it was clipped to my bag and ready to go. I was too shocked that it actually happened, and I had completely blanked out. No fighting experience, and it was my first time having someone actually make a move at me on the street, while I was alone. I was not myself for two weeks after that. Flipping between being pissed at myself for not remembering that I had pepper spray, doubting that he was actually attacking me ("Maybe he just tripped and was laughing it off?"), terrified that it was going to happen again, and crying my eyes out because of the past trauma that was being brought to the surface all over again. My fiance has recommended that I get a baton (he has two of them for his own use in emergencies, and I have handled them and gotten an idea of how it feels to use them), and I also plan to add the whip to my list after watching these videos, as well as a couple of rape alarms. Along with that, he has been teaching me what he knows about fighting, and working with me to get my reaction to NOT be flight and mental shut-down. He also plans to help me get a concealed carry license, and to sign both of us up for fighting classes. Sorry for ranting/rambling, but I wanted to share my experience. I grew up in an abusive household, and no one believed that I was being hurt by one of the people who should have been protecting and loving me. And I couldn't fight back. Now I have the ability to do so, and I'll go down kicking and screaming if anyone tries that ever again. And I'll preferably drag them down with me!

[@GUYEDITINGS]

Good idea, you can ward off the attacker with the Whip and set something up with it and Potentially use your baton, I'll be using this idea for sure. Sorry that had to happen to you, that fucking sucks, I'm glad you're taking the proper measures to keep yourself safe at all times. This isn't related to Self defense, more of Protection in general, but Make sure you always have your doors locked, have extra protection(Alarms, Door security doors, Window security, etc etc.) CHECK your surroundings, and An addition to Martial arts, you can also add Strength training. Any advantage or Chance of bettering your Survival is always a win. take note of where you are/who's nearby, sound etc. (Also, this sounds dumb but Maybe even a shield! not only can it block attacks, but you can use it as a Weapon itself! even better when you pair it with a Gun or another weapon!) (Keep your weapons with you, Restroom, Kitchen, Bedroom, Keep track of who's in your area.) A flashlight is also a great option, As seen in Hard2hurt's videos It not only gives you a great view in a dark area but Blinds your Opponent giving you the ability to set up an Attack, Defense, anything. A good idea is also a Fire Extinguisher, makes the Opponent hard of breathing when aimed and launched at, but be Cautious! like a Pepper spray if it's close range you are most likely going to be effected as well! Use it and Get to safety/Attack with the Fire Extinguisher, anything else! + You can also use it as a Smoke-screen in the event of a Shooting, wanting to get away from Point a to b, all that :VV Reading your whole comment, You are going in the right direction, Heading towards a getting a gun, Martial Arts, Pepper spray, Alarms, and for the BOTH of you to have these? Amazing! I wish you the best and hope you never have to defend yourself, but if you do, you are ready for anything. You and your Fiancee got this! (don't be afraid if you ever need someone to talk to, I'm here if you need me :) ) (Spread the word of Self defense! / Protection in General :)) )

[@MegadethTillDeth]

A blade or firearm isn't an option?

[@dragonbane44]

A woman with a whip will attract all sorts of wrong crowd. Just saying.

[@shadoewater]

@@dragonbane44 depends on the type of whip and crowd, lol.

[@shadoewater]

@@MegadethTillDeth concealed carry is a thing that I plan to get. I keep a knife in my bag at all times, for both utility and defense. I haven't been trained on firearms besides a hunting rifle, and I don't want to risk getting the attention of people by having an open carry firearm.

[@hard2hurt]

Question for Viewers: Do you ever think that self defense whips could be a socially acceptable self defense tool?

[@temporaldisplacement]

100%

[@stop9273]

Idk in America but here in the UK not a chance

[@temporaldisplacement]

@@stop9273 Why ...uk police carry Asp, Monadnock or Casco batons.

[@stop9273]

@@temporaldisplacement yes but only the high ranking officers and when they do people say it's police brutality. Now imagine how people would react if the police started whipping people

[@JofoTubin]

Is self defense, period, even socially acceptable anymore? Also, I bet if they lose the pointed pommel and added a battery and USB port, they could tap into a whole new group of buyers.

[@Shacksies]

I bought one because of your reviews on it. It seems like it would be sufficient for using in self-defense, and I particularly like the spiked pommel on it, but I have a major criticism that still makes me prefer a baton. This whip is not a concealable weapon. The whip part is far too stiff, so it's completely impractical to conceal it on my body. The best method I found was to feed the whip all the way down my pant leg, which did work, but it was extremely uncomfortable and there was a noticeable bulge running down my leg that anyone could notice after passing a perception check. It was even more uncomfortable when walking, or worse, crouching. I almost returned it for this reason but decided to keep it just to start building a collection of weapons, but it's completely impractical as a concealed weapon.

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

It's kind of conundrum. A concealable weapon that doesn't work, or an unconcealable one that does? Does it even work if it's not concealable?

[@kae2678]

it's flexible so you can bend it to fit it in a bag though, so that's 1 solution. Women would have no issue if they have a medium or large size tote/bag/purse

[@Shacksies]

@@kae2678 Bag carry is just idiotic, honestly. If you don't have it ON YOUR BODY, you don't have it at all. Even with a reliable concealed carry weapon that you carry on your belt, in the same place every time, and you have trained drawing it so you have an instinctive reflex for drawing it, it has been proven just how difficult it can be to actually draw that weapon when you're being attacked and someone is actively on you. The issues with bag carry are numerous. Much of the time a woman is being attacked, they are often purse snatchers, so good luck getting your weapon when it's already in your attacker's hands. On top of that, even if they are actively attacking them , that bag is flailing around all over the place, and if they manage to secure it, now they are using both hands while digging through the 50 different objects in her purse to try to get ahold of the weapon, leaving themselves completely defenseless and wasting time trying to get this thing out of her purse. The fight is already lost by that point. It might be worth attempting that if they actually have a gun in there, but to do all that to pull out this whip is absurd. This whip is also not even flexible enough to roll up properly into a bag that any normal person carries, it would have to be a full sized backpack pretty much because of how stiff and stubborn it is. On top of all of that, you have to actually have really good martial arts training and weapon training to be able to use melee weapons effectively. Anybody who carries their weapon in a bag is probably not trained (at least, not well) because they would realize how dumb of an idea that is.

[@jlogan2228]

Could you maybe carry it like a belt?

[@TexAZ261]

They offer one now that partially wraps around your waist, clipped to your belt.

[@bodhi974]

I completely agree about not wanting to be the first court case after using the Stinger to defend myself or someone else especially in my State. With that said, I would happily stand there in front of judge than going to physical therapy or worse. I bought one. Thanks for the video.

[@hocusfocus8016]

5:55-6:00 the big guy is moving away from each strike, the last video must’ve gave him nightmares lol

[@hard2hurt]

I can still feel it.

[@johnmcenroe1760]

I use a collapsible baton in my work as security. We are supposed to hit large muscles with it. When I use it I hit people's feet with it. Much more effective to crush the small bones in the feet to make the attacker unable to stand or be able to use both feet. And if any of my bosses ask why I hit the feet I say I don't want to hit the head. They know what I am doing but it sounds good to say I don't want to hit some ones head with it.

[@srobeck77]

Any type of intentional joint striking or head is considered "great bodily harm" and another level of higher requirement for use. Come on man, they taught you that in the ASP training classes. Your better off using powerful knee strikes than attempting to get away with illegal strikes to bones or joints.

[@ROCKY-in2mg]

HEY GUY'S YOU ARE VERY CORRECT THE ASP BATON FAILED ME YEARS AGO WITH A MAN ON DRUG'S CAME AT ME AND MY PARTNER..... THE ASP BATON WAS USELESS.... I WAS LIKE I AM WEARING MY SELF OUT TRYING TO GANE COMPLIANCE AND THE SUBJECT IS STANDING THERE, STILL COMING AT US, SO MY OC AND MY FLASHLIGHT WORKED MUCH BETTER,BUT AFTERWARDS I WAS SPENT. THANK YOU 2 HARD TO HURT CREW..... KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK FOR US....

[@andrewcarlson4402]

Them: You can't use the whip from up close H2H: LoOkaDafLicKaDaWriST

[@lucdepezon4718]

1st : sorry my shietty english 2nd: i had working like a bouncer for 4 years, on Bolivia, and i used the baton to make locks succesfuly great, people scary as hell wen the baton comes out, and a big hit to the shin bone (area betwen the knee and the foot) and game over, its really fkn painfull, like a shin to shin crash on M thai amplifyed for 10000, i did it so many times, and never seen nobody even drunk stand after it, but as a self defence tool I agree with you guys on everything!

[@James-ke5sx]

70 years old, sounds like a real good idea. years ago I bought a baton I tried it out by beating a pillow to death. The pillow survived and the baton died and broke

[@scout3058]

I was a cop. I carried the baton (Asp) for a short time, before I was issued a TASER. What I used the baton for was nut tapping my fellow cops, knocking snow off my boots, pushing doors open with it, moving objects in squalor ridden houses, etc. Never used it on a person.

[@srobeck77]

Yup same deal as an armed security guard. I always had the mindsight that big knee strikes would be better if it ever come to that.

[@garyjerniganjr]

I take one when I go walking or running, not for people but for wild/aggressive dogs. deploying the baton alone is usually enough to change the dogs mind.

[@vinjameson3944]

Good points in this video. You can buy glass breaking end caps for most batons now, though. So that levels the playing field a bit if you are talking about the cap.

[@lrmgrl]

The ASP works, but typically only in the 31 inch model. The standard size just doesnt have enough horsepower to disable an attacker. Seen the 31 in use several times and worked 100% better

[@howard4tex]

especially on charging dogs

[@srobeck77]

So bascially you mean a teeball bat at that point, but you even still, its easier to block, get disarmed, and no effectiveness up close. The whip is still better in those areas and now they even make an XL stinger if you want more pain.

[@srobeck77]

@@howard4tex you be alot better off with mace vs dogs. No skill required and its even more tramatic to dogs heightened sense of smell than it is for humans.

[@MediaNocte3000]

Could you review the new stinger whip? They’re marketing it as a car rescue tool with a seatbelt cutter and glass breaker

[@srobeck77]

U will never use either of those. Its a marketing gimic. Well maybe the "glass breaker" to jab with when up close.

[@raydon14ify]

yup now you’ve got me convinced the baton is too lethal to use in lots of self defense situations making it impractical. If you need to brain a bad guy, the firearm is a much better option.

[@Sinful._.]

also a chunk of metal on a string is gonna swing faster than a stick of metal,thats why dads use belts-

[@tttITA10]

Another point in favor of the whip is that it has basically no risk of being yanked out of your hands upon hitting a hard target with a grip too loose or too tense of a wrist.

[@pepelemoko01]

I just found out it is old OSS weapon from WW11, meant to be hidden up the sleeve with a wrist strap, then suddenly snapped out. It was mainly for the element of surprise, against an enemy soldier. Not for fighting.

[@cristianmuniz1557]

How about thickness.... if I cut a bicycle lock "cable" (those steel cables that come with the U-Locks) that have a thickness of 12mm in comparison to the 8mm of the official whip, would it work as good?

[@andrewruddy962]

Interesting, a real improvised weapon. Why change it ? Borrow concepts !

[@marclemar]

The “look at da flick of the wrist” pun earned my sub after watching 3 of your other vids 😂😂😂

[@douglashanson7489]

With those really thin batons (there are even retractable ones), you can easily fracture someone's ulna or radius with a half-power strike. I like the principle of maiming something quickly and getting away, for which hapkido is a good example, or any style of hand/wrist/arm breaks. The baton makes doing that easier, and [possibly] less risky by adding a little distance.

[@capttwitch]

I can 100% say never rely on a baton! Especially a collapsible one! Reason why I know this when I was younger in my hood rat days. I used to carry stuff like this and let's just say that the only baton I actually don't mind is the metal style ones. But I was in a brawl once it was like 30vs 30 and a massive dude came after me I cracked em as hard as I could in the head! Didn't take em down ya probly hurt em but that's it he literally hit me right after and worst part was the baton broke! Wasn't even a cheap one 🤦 lol. Never again!

[@jlogan2228]

I have been hit with a baton and honestly you aren't breaking a bone that easy with it. You're going to need a full powered swing at the perfect angle. They just don't have the weight and mass. Frankly it's kinda dumb how over confident people feel with them bc they will probably be the ones who have them taken away and get the shit beaten out of them

[@capttwitch]

@@jlogan2228 oh wow actually a smart comment lol. Your not wrong! Some batons work and work well but! You need to have a crazy ammount of training with it because you literally need to hit the very tip on a specific area in a moving target, wich is hard as all hell lol. And if the person takes one step in or out well half the power just went out the window 🤷😅. Your also correct about the mass, although yes u can break bone with a baton it needs to be certain areas like a wrist ect where there's bassically no muscle. But if there was mass behind it don't matter where u hit ;). That's why I'm a big fan of saps and blackjacks! Them but he's are terrible 😂. Definitely give you the worse Charlie horse you'll ever get bahahaha. I actually broke one of them cheap expandable ones on someone when I was like 14 🙄. Let's just say I went from God to mortal real quick 😂

[@bsoohooz]

could you grab the whip end and swing the metal handle? seems like it would work as an effective flail-type of weapon

[@stewartsmalls2024]

Too slippery. You can see when they try disarms that the plastic makes that swing an unnecessary gamble when the steel cable inside the plastic will cause pain and damage.

[@turtletactical7006]

The baton is a good tool for law enforcement because it can break windows as well as pry suspects arms out from underneath them if their reaching for something

[@NeoCreo1]

The whip also breaks windows, and leveraging techniques come up almost never in real world scenarios.

[@SubExploration]

Ignore people ripping on you for affiliate links and promo codes. I get the same crap for promoting flashlights, which btw i also agree that the M2r Pro is a great light especially with that aggressive bezel.

[@irishninja9857]

This what my state thinks about batons for self defense "in the State of Tennessee, it is against the law to carry a baton for self defense (TCA 39-17-1307). However if the person carrying the baton is either a licensed security guard or armed civilian with a valid certification card then they have an affirmative defense to the charge (similar to carry permit for handgun)." I wonder if the whip would fall under that same law? Hmm if I have to get permits to carry a weapon for self defense it might as well be a gun.

[@michaelfrost1026]

Hard2hurt what about an expandable spring coil baton? The kind with the first two sections are steel spring coils. I was gifted one of those and they are nasty. Seems like the happy medium between the stinger and a regular baton. What are your thoughts?

[@compulsivefire9897]

6:27 not gonna lie that tackle made me laugh 😂

[@hard2hurt]

He came in a little hot didn't he?

[@donnyh3497]

Fun video as usual! I just ordered a tactical whip to help with the Lamborghini fund. The first video on the whip is one of my all time favorite videos by anyone ever! I can't watch it without laughing my ass off at the suffering that thing causes 😆

[@bobcatsmith808]

I got one 2 weeks ago, love it, gonna get another.

[@donnyh3497]

@@bobcatsmith808 Nice! Is it a pain in the *ss to carry? I'm hoping it will lace in like a belt and not be too awkward.

[@Kevin-lm9ex]

can we do machete vs g 19 next

[@hard2hurt]

The question on everyone's mind.

[@kawikadee9670]

Can you go and put a big gold chain on and walk down Skid Row and see if the stinger really works.

[@miked.7722]

re: the baton as an old ex cop I'd rather have a night stick. Nunchaku in "well trained hands" can be very effective for self defense (you can't defense without offense) as our Lo Sifu used to say. NO I didn't learn chucks in Kung FU. I do now have a stinger thanks to you. Nice call. Agree with what you said completely.

[@hansdavis7335]

Since some tactical batons has a removable tip that looks like an oversized bolt, if you're crafty enough, attach a smaller but more flexible cable on the end of the baton to deliver maximum pain and range.

[@Tigrebleau1]

The "stinger" only hurts when the tip makes contact. And it doesn't hurt at all if someone is wearing a loose coat, jacket, or loose sweatshirt.

[@srobeck77]

Incorrect, did you not see the 12 inch welt that thing left on his back in another video? And he also did another video wearing jeans, jacket, and a sweater. He claimed it did almost nothing to lessen the pain. That said, I think a superpuffed up sub-zero Minnesota jacket would definitely dull the pain, but thats not a common sight for most places.

[@Outrider74]

I might be getting one of those for my daughter when she goes to college (the FastStrike one, though).

[@vincer7824]

Maybe a good supplement to pepper spray. Hopefully she can train with the FastStrike to get comfortable with it.

[@madjidchouarbi3921]

Baton is a really effective defense tool against knife because of its lengh. If you know how to use it ( Arnis de Mano is a brutal and deadly art ). No matter what you say, if you don't know how to fight with flexible weapons, you would certainly hit yourself during the fight. With a good baton, you can block an attack from a machette, you can with a whip. According to me, the average little guy facing a aggressor with a whip like yours would be unable to use it with effeciency.

[@grimeybeast1465]

How do you conceal carry the whip?

[@lamcalvin123]

A potential methodology, I'm thinking (possibly/ likely unoriginal) is having the actual flexible whip part wrapped around the waist using the belt loops of the pants and three handle by the front/ belt buckle and concealing it with clothing atop akin to appendix concealed carry for a pistol...

[@ROCKY-in2mg]

AND YES I HAVE USED THE 31" ASP WHICH WORK'S MUCH BETTER IT DOES HAVE AS SOME ONE SAID HERE MORE HORSEPOWER BUT UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO OVERCOME YOUR SUSPECT AND YOU ARE PROFICIENT WITH THE ASP YOU WILL EITHER WEAR YOUR SELF OUT, BE OR MAYBE IT WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU IN SOME CASE'S.

[@tompalmer5986]

I'm wondering if you could poke somebody in the eye with that baton, or maybe poke them in the solar plexes. Would the baton retract? I like the fact that it can collapse into a much smaller size because there are a lot of situations where you wouldn't want people to see that you are carrying a weapon.

[@007Ant]

I Think The Baton Would Retract But Not Before Causing Big Damage To The Eye , But If That Happens You Can Quickly Expand It Again. I Just Ordered One & Should Arrive In 3 Days

[@jtsnipertobias7891]

Use baton in weak arm and whip in the dominant. Can it work? My thoughts. Baton defense. If fast enough. Then whip for the offense. And again depends on the person.

[@ruga-ventoj]

What I'm hearing is, if I expect close range-grapple fights, then use the whip unless you really really good at practical stick grappling shenanigans. Use the baton if you're expecting a longer range fight like against machetes and long sticks since the baton will be in effective range more often. Plus general framing blocks.

[@NeoCreo1]

Thing is, the whip is just as effective in long range fights as a less-than-lethal tool. The baton only beats it at range if you target the head, which means you are now risking killing the person.

[@johnh8546]

I’m on board with batons kind of sucking. They are better in my opinion than just bare hands as far as a deterrence. They beat bare hands in a number of circumstances but they aren’t that great. I carried a baton with a spiked pommel which adds some usefulness.

[@experiment506]

This is kind of a no brainer honestly, whips have been used to cause extreme pain for relatively minor injury for millenia. And if you're using it as compliance tool pain is likely more favorable unless you outright intend to strat disfiguring or crippling.

[@darrellcollins877]

You have valid points I believe. But I would say cops don't use the baton for self defense, but to beat a perp into submission. Which doesn't seem to work because the strikes hurt so bad the perp always continues to defend which the cops interpret as resisting. I think the whip would have the same result for a cop. But the baton used for defense will work at times. But agree the whip is better except for carry, the whip doesn't seem like it's easy to carry.

[@savageandsaint]

I appreciate the information you put out, and that stinger whip looks pretty cool I am going to get one to train with. But to say "batons don't work," is silly. Its more accurate to say it takes a lot of practice to become proficient with the stick/baton and most people don't have the time or resources required to attain skillful use of blunt force weapons. I've been practicing FMA for ten years. I've seen highly skilled practitioners who can do serious damage with a simple piece of rattan at any range. Batons work - believe me.

[@hard2hurt]

I don't. There is very little evidence to support what you're saying.

[@savageandsaint]

@@hard2hurt Evidence: Guro Dan Inosanto. Saying a baton doesn't work is like saying a gun doesn't work because the person hasn't been trained how to use it properly. I get your point, but, again, batons work.

[@hard2hurt]

@@savageandsaint except there lots of videos and news reports and wars and evidence that guns work and guns in the hands of trained professionals work better. What does the existence of Dan Inosanto prove, exactly... since you offered his name as evidence.

[@savageandsaint]

@@hard2hurt It proves that, given proper high level training, an individual can be highly effective with a single stick, or baton, at all ranges. Your point is that the energy and time this proper training takes would exceed what is reasonable for a police force to offer, given so many other areas LEO's need to be competent in - I agree. The whip may be a more useful tool because it requires less training to be effective. What I am pointing out to you is that saying "batons don't work" is an oversimplification of your otherwise coherent argument and it is incorrect.

[@hard2hurt]

@@savageandsaint so saying a single very famous instructors name... that proves that? Weird.

[@aztechnology7996]

Stinger Whip in dominant hand, and a 10k lumen Nitecore flashlight in other hand. I have both on standby and all else that's needed is a bit of courage.

[@SK-ir2gw]

I think the baton is a defensive tool. Its capable as a deterent, it keeps people at further than arms length intitially, it has the ability to strike and block and has the ability to be lethal but isnt designed with lethal as its intent. Make distance, prevent advance, break contact. Can also block and strike, you can use it if you basically never train to the same degree as you could a lead pipe but its built better than a lead pipe for this purpose and its always in your pocket. But if you train with it has the capability to become more useful. For alot of people its the something they carry thats better than nothing

[@srobeck77]

That extendable antenna rod would have opposite effect for me. I see some guy with a very subpar weapon that probably cant fight and thinks that thing will 1 shot someone. I'd say full speed ahead at that point.

[@Nobody90019]

That's okay. I also conceal carry. Back off with the antenna, or lay down forever with 9mm.@@srobeck77

[@Uuxaul]

Holy shit that brought back some memories. "I used it to scratch my back and knock on doors".

[@u06jo3vmp]

In China people are using polyurethane (PU) rods (a bit like a big hot melt glue rod) for similar purpose. It's wobbly and doesn't look intimidating but it's actually quite powerful. The usual dimensions I've seen on sell are about 3-4cm thick and 50-70cm long. It's density is 1.25g/cm3, so it's a bit heftier than a wood stick or even a hollow metal stick of the same size

[@marcusduncan8964]

I literally started to make the same window breaking point you made before the video ended and you then made the exact same point. I only ever used it to poke homeless and drunk people to wake them up (with absolutely no force and it still looks terrible on video, so I stopped. A flashlight sternum rub works and looks better anyway) and break windows. Then I swapped my expandable baton for a Fast Hawk and I haven't looked back...

[@Luciferofom]

Applications for the baton: -Keeping a tweaker outside of arm's reach -Visual and auditory deterrence to prevent escalation to begin with -Parrying blows (more mass, more interia in the shaft) -Triangle locks -The "drunk come along" -Striking a weapon arm for an involuntary disarm The advantage that the baton gives you is that it doesn't necessarily rely on pain compliance, but is still capable of it. The baton can cripple or kill if necessary at its full reach. It has its place, so does the Stinger.

[@NeoCreo1]

I’ve seen too many videos of people bull rushing through the strikes for me to think the first application is valid (unless you are going straight for the head, which creates its own set of problems)

[@Panda-nk4ec]

I have fought a naked guy. Twice. And, yes, you always lose lol

[@hard2hurt]

Haha his thing touched your skin! Haha!

[@tuerkefechi]

I agree on many things here and the whip is an interesting tool. However you can put a pointy or glassbreaker pommel on the grip of the baton, there are customizations for that. When talking about stickgrappling check out the dog brothers, they do it effectively and not the superfancy bollocks you see sometimes.

[@Anathmatician]

Hey - Have you seen any of the Dog Brothers stick fighting stuff? If you are interested in the utility of different types of cold weapon in self defence you might find it interesting. They are straight up smashing each other with all kinds of stuff.

[@BenjiQ575]

I started laughing so hard when it went to ground grappling with the whip, because while the aggressor is trying to position, he'd be getting whipped to the absolute shithouse and SERIOUSLY rethinking how much he wants to rob this guy. And then, yeah, if the aggressor starts getting good positioning, you've got the emergency pommel spike right there to make him rethink further how much he wants to do this. Honestly, IDK law, but you'd figure being able to clearly lay out "Look, he tried to attack me and I whipped him and he continued to attack me, so I whipped him more, and he tried to get dominant position to break one of my limbs or choke me out, so I dug the spiky end of the whip handle into him. I CLEARLY used the dangerous part of the self defence weapon last, it was my absolute last resort." would hold up a little better in court than "He came at me aggressively so I brained him with my self defence club/stabbed him with my self defence knife/shot him with my self defence AR15."

[@srobeck77]

Agreed. Asps "aka hollow car antennas" are very ineffective and youd be far better off using knee strikes that that hollow tube. Anyone else notice they removed all the tactical whips off of Amazon.

[@charlesharris61]

Icy Mike, I agree, but I also do Buhurt, which involves a lot of stick grappling aswell as strikes and grappling with basically a baton(a blunted sword). Now wit that being said, you kinda proved the point with stick grappling because that's an entire skill set aside from basic defense grappling that is probably time better spent elsewhere. This was in regards to saying "It just doesn't happen."

[@R.A.M.10]

The point that people might be missing from the initial arguement about the baton is the premise of consequence. We know that it hurts like hell and I love the break down of how clunky it can be operationally but how liable is one legally with the baton vs the whip? I have both but the baton is one of the multiples for the house in case something truly horrible happens. To deter aggression or give an aggressor second thoughts about his next move I feel a bit more comfortable with the whip.

[@JerzyLasica]

please do a spring baton (it has actual spring, it flexes) comparison

[@TopMep]

The baton has a longer version of it which i do have, i dont think its made to hit fleshy areas, i think its made to strike boney areas such as knees, elbows, forearns, shins, etc. The main problem i see with it is the momentuum it carries, which makes it easy for an opponent to strike back or grab you, if you missed. Also the version i have has a window breaker on the pommel

[@Aconitum_napellus]

This whip thing could be easily made from common DIY parts.

[@MilesEdgeworth129]

It's basically just a piece of polyurethane-coated steel cable with a handle.

[@puddintame6310]

There's no way in hell I'd buy one, I plan on making one soon.

[@richarde1355]

At 1:40, another thing the baton dies better is “noise”. The sound of the baton deploying is scary, akin to the cycling a pump action. Folks don’t have to speak your language to “get it”, that the hurt is about to happen. Sometimes that sound can be a deterrent. And it doesn’t take much whack with a baton, against a bone or a joint, to make it a bad day for the receiving person. However, if the idea is to just mess ‘em up, that whip, on flesh, is gonna create a lot of damage!

[@Alsayid]

Can you review a tire buddy or tire thumper, commonly sold at truck stops? I have to think one of those would be far more effective than either of these (but also greater potential to be lethal).

[@thx10050]

I have bent an ASP baton before but I do have to swear by my Peacekeeper. It hasn’t let me down yet. You do bring up some good points but our command staff would never approve carrying a whip-like less lethal weapon. And part of that is due to training; right now I can testify in court that I have used the baton before and know what effects/damage it can cause to the suspect. Much like the Taser and OC spray. Liability, unfortunately, states that there is no state-level training for these whips right now and thus that could go very badly in court.

[@srobeck77]

No such thing as needing state-level training for ordinary citizens, so I'm sure you mean to say for military or police. Imagine an old lady using pepper spray and a lawyer asking her, what kind of training did you receive for this? Old lady: yes your honor, i have many decades of practice using hairspray on my beehive hairdo.

[@wastool]

09:00 No it is not good for breaking glass. I've done that before, it took 5 or 6 hits to break tempered auto glass. At the end of the day an ASP is just a metal stick to hit things. The pr24s seemed to work but I've never seen an expandable baton work. The only thing it seems to be good at is getting people's attention when you deploy it.

[@codiclimenhaga7234]

I've been slapped by a winch break off, same thing that whip will end the fight period. The attacker will be diverted from violent action. If your adrenaline is pumping you could litterly hurt someone badly with that whip.

[@Lost_Dawn]

I just wish the damn whip part was either fully or partially retractable since it's so long, even when folded. Since it's only so flexible and since it's thick, it'll never get tangled. The issue with that is that it's specifically a vehicle tool, not the walk around in your pocket one. I'll keep Googling.

[@odoylerules360]

Isn't part of the purpose of the stick to block a dog bite, so it bites the stick instead of your arm? Or some other dog related use?

[@JakeTheMuss10454]

This even better. But do you reccomend a black Jack & can regular people buy?

[@thomash.7198]

in Germany the cops have tonfa batons and train takedown, locking and close combat techniques. They work. Both of the weapons that you are weilding are illegal in Germany. And on a side note, the whip baton is even more effective when it has a small ball tip on the end of it.

[@dmp762]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the old school streight baton or billy club. They have greater mass then the tube steel collapsible baton.

[@dmp762]

@@joshuareingold3466 Mass x velocity ^2 is the formula for kinetic energy. Mass x velocity is the formula for momentum. When it comes to impact weapons, having more mass in the striking end almost always makes it more effective. A baseball bat will do more damage than a similar length wooden stick. The velocity that matters is at the moment of impact. A heavier weapon takes more to get it going, but it can still reach a decent velocity by the moment of impact.

[@srobeck77]

Too cumbersome to carry around a full sized baseball bat. Nobodys gunna do that. now an aluminum teeball ball is good to have in your car, but still to big to carry around or latch onto your back like your some kind of urban Samuri warrior.

[@andrewtekkie]

Could you do a video on bull whips? I just curious if they're better or worse than tactical whips.

[@srobeck77]

easy answer. alot worse for self-defense. they are only good at very long range and require some skill and practice to get them to make that snapping effect.

[@xyz-sn7kg]

Maybe the idea is that the officer has loads of space to pull out the baton and establish the distance themselves so that they have the ability to move in and strike or move out to maintain the desired distance, Where as the whip is more so if you don't have this option and just have to deal with an attacker to some extent in all striking distances like you mentioned e.g. in clinch, takedowns and normal striking distance

[@jameslooker4791]

I never really hear this addressed, but are whips viable alternatives to batons for police? I have never seen a whip holster that would work on a duty belt.

[@hard2hurt]

Did an entire video on it.

[@hard2hurt]

Wait I didn't even notice lol... it's this video.

[@Andyhaucqog1]

Any videos on brass knuckles?

[@alexnewell6504]

I've carried a baton as part of my gear for nearly six years. (Security Officer) You know what it gets used for? Pushing up ceiling tiles to find leaks, clearing spider webs, propping hoods to jump shitty cars, and pretty much anything else you could do with a stick. It's never come out in a fight. I've either gone hands on, de-escalated, or almost shot a guy.

[@info4066]

What about Stinger tactical whip versus an expandable and _flexible_ baton? I think they are called spring batons? They have little bit of the same principle as a tactical whip since they're also whipping so to speak.

[@ArchieSuave]

I had a very similar conversation about these two tools. Batons have been grandfathered in and in some weird way are still around. They are going to go the way of the sap.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

While you were talking about grappling, why didn´t you mention strangulation? I feel like it would be a pretty good tool for the job.

[@SoCtaker]

The whip is a force multiplier, especially when compared to the baton.

[@andrewruddy962]

So, I agree.

[@michaelharris184]

Extendable baton breaks when used by a person that knows how to use a blunt instrument. I learned that the hard way.

[@justin2166]

How do you think some of the older or discontinued police weapons (flat saps, blackjacks) compare to whats available today?

[@montieguthrie1076]

I think people use batons incorrectly for self defense. Personally I use a collapsible baton to target the hands of the person attacking me. Offline and smash their fists with the baton. Broken hands have a hard time doing damage, grappling, etc. Plus it’s non-deadly force. It does help that hands are a major target for us in PTK so I have a bit of training doing that.

[@gatlinyates5157]

Do they make holsters for that whip? Lol Idk how I would practically carry that around just in case someone tried to attack me

[@flouisbailey]

Excellent review and information, what are your thoughts on flick baton to break up an attacking dog to you or your dog? I have a young boxer who because of German linage will be big but now he is a pup.

[@Merrick]

one real consideration that i missed if you covered it; Besides the effectiveness of each weapon, the baton you can put in your pocket. How am I supposed to have the whip on me at all times? concealment and transportability, which is a word

[@hard2hurt]

We've talked about carrying it in the other whip videos

[@BradYaeger]

2 adds to the conversation I hope: Never tried the whip but it seems awesome. Back in the 80's some Cats i knew carried a few feet of speedometer cable attached to a handle, they said whatever it hit , it cut , if swung hard enough . Can't verify but makes some sense. I think you start wailing away with one of these, shit is going to happen and it will be ugly . I bet you wrap up a ham with some denim in will cut right through . I carry an ASP baton in my back pocket but don't consider it good for anything but hitting human limbs or fending off attacking animals. If maybe I have a reasonable chance to break a wrist holding a knife or just get some space i'd trust it. Otherwise the mass just isn't there for more than maybe opening a cut on somebodies skull .If they are jacked up or just adrenalized, you aren't likely to knock them out, And to be honest, they can collapse at odd times if you don't extend them really hard. You may try a poke and it just collapses .It's what i use in place of a solid club or walking stick made to fight with if I am limited to what I carry. . Plus I am trained to use sticks for what it's worth. I'd rather put that whip in an untrained persons hand instead of the collapsable baton.

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

While I stipulate that the whip is FAR better for law enforcement, the baton has quite a few things that were the reason i even bothered with it in the first place, and eventually made me love it - I like the weight, shape, feel and balance - it deals well against morons holding blunt weapons like pipes or planks of wood and most of all to me - It is just the right length to have a plethora of techniques. I can use sword techniques from fencing, HEMA, Kenjutsu, etc. I can use dagger techniques. I can use it as a simple extension of my natural movements, I can leverage easier when I initiate a clinch (i don't do advanced stick grappling, but fuck if Sumi Otoshi isn't better with this thing), etc I feel like its the better weapon for a fight you start but the whip is better for self-defense which is what we are after here. I just had to contribute to some other great uses for the baton, also it really seems like police don't know how to swing the baton very well when they swing for the legs and such. Granted a tool for them should be easy to use, but if its so old and popular you would think they would improve the technique by now

[@EveeSweet00]

You convinced me to purchase this, thanks for all the videos on it.