𝗖𝗢𝗡𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗠𝗘𝗗: Sony Shun OLED & Use Mini LED for 2024 Flagship TV

Sony has unveiled its new 2024 BRAVIA TV lineup, and the flagship BRAVIA 9 will be a Mini LED TV, not OLED. There's also the new BRAVIA 8, BRAVIA 7 & BRAVIA 3.
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[@sfh2110]

Get ready for a Mini LED TV more expensive than OLED TVs

[@ernestsco]

Yes plz. I need a second LG OLED haha

[@MattDapson]

Nope. Bravia 9 flagship in 85" is only $5,499 retail. That's a grand less than their flagship OLED 77" I bought in Feb 2020.

[@captainwin6333]

At launch, the 75-inch model will be £4499, while the 85-inch version will be £4999. While undeniably a lot of money, it's worth noting that the 77-inch A95L QD-OLED was £5999

[@crisscrozzmiddag9392]

Hopefully X95L prices will drop 😎

[@shivamarya5225]

They already released the price dude, its cheaper than last year's Qd oled models. I guess its the flagship tv price to performance but not the most expensive tv they make

[@bjorn6706]

Let me guess,with only 2 hdmi 2.1 ports from which one is the eARC port?

[@HyperSF2]

So no Bravia 9 65" in the UK? WTF?

[@vba77]

Yeah, that is disappointing!

[@Pasqua-l8t]

Doesn’t sound like North America is getting a 65” Bravia 9 either!!! WTF

[@jakeifraimov3430]

@@Pasqua-l8t Not as big an issue in the US. We're not poor. j/k

[@morukuser]

Bravia 7 vs X95L ‼️ This year is gonne be interesting 😁

[@qrsthatsme4030]

Absolutely what I’m looking for an x95L in smaller sizes hence the Bravia 7, this will be my TV for a very long time

[@stephenpatterson8056]

I'm sure this will probably be the best looking LED-LCD ever produced, but it will also certainly still lack the precision of OLED/QD-OLED. While that zone control is nicely upgraded, it's still quite crude compared to per pixel dimming

[@connor040606]

I have to disagree. If they can control the zones more precisely, the Mini LeD panel will greatly outperform OLED due to the massive brightness increases.

[@Uncle_Fred]

I just don't get the attraction. Why not hold onto your OLED and just wait for full uLED panels?

[@stephenpatterson8056]

@connor040606 It doesn't matter how precise they are because zones are far bigger than pixels. Even the most precise of local dimming techniques still won't fully be able to compete with pixel level control. Each zone is still trying to manage a cluster of pixels. This will help them get bright sure, but I still don't see the need to strive to go beyond 1,500 nits or so. Filmmakers have had the ability to grade to those levels and higher for years and the majority of them still choose to grade HDR at 1000 nits or less

[@stephenpatterson8056]

@@Uncle_Fred That's what I'm saying. I think OLED will still overall edge out this tech until we get something truly "new"

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@connor040606Tell me you don't know how OLED works without telling me you don't know how OLED works. 🤣🤣🤣

[@acrnm]

so is this good or bad? and should I add to cart?

[@MattDapson]

I suspect discounts soon on the QN900D Samsung 85". That said, I'm not sure the Bravia 9 isn't a better set at $2.5k less money.

[@MrJAE288]

Does the Bravia 7 have a matte finish screen?

[@IvorTheEngine]

They've got a new mastering monitor to sell that's mini led. One can only wonder why they've made the change to their flagships this year 🤔

[@asdsad17]

there's still bravia 8 woled

[@pete49327]

Beginning of the end for OLED? First nail in coffin? Remember, plasma screens were once the epitome of technology, the ultimate in quality, the gold standard.

[@SilvioManfredDante]

No 65" for Europe is a ridiculously odd decision. What are they thinking?

[@Joshua-xh6bm]

It's like the reverse of last year's models where america got completely shafted on the new mini-LED, it was only available in 85 inches here and I asked the same question: What were they thinking

[@samsabruskongen]

Management at Sony's TV division are incompetent. Have been for many years.

[@goldorak5282]

Calling it odd is far too kind. The decision to shunt 65 is the dumbest ever…no small sizes in Europe ??!! Of course it make perfect sense…😢😢

[@davidsmith9407]

Sony's gonna Sony.

[@jvdh_]

Europeans don't buy large TV's. Most stick with 42 to 48 inches.

[@Ethan1665]

European homes are most times smaller than in the US. Why no 65 inch Bravia 9 or 55 inch Bravia 7 in the EU? It makes no sense to me.😢

[@E_Rice]

Thank you, Vincent, for explaining Sony’s new Mini LED tech so that laymen may understand. You are the best! I think I speak for everyone when I say we eagerly await your review of the Bravia 9. Extremely curious how it compares to the latest 2024 OLED offerings.

[@balacisco]

A95L vs Bravia 9, Please Compare

[@cainification]

This is exactly what I want to see

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Sony Pictures will release 4000 nits remastered bluray for that exact purpose. Disney and HBO will charge you with a new 4000 nits HDR tier for new remastered 9 starwars saga and the Snyder cut. Japanese Sony attacks (South) Korean LG & Samsung at atomic level. OLED can't reach 4000 nits by physical properties.

[@cainification]

@@JohnWilliams-gy5yc did you reply to the wrong thread lol

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

@@cainification I hope the Sony scheme would be flopped too. However OLED can't never reach 4000 nits with today technology while microLED can. We will see when the new remastered content is released.

[@otakujhp]

If it handles subtitles well, I'll be impressed.

[@E_Rice]

Agreed, this is the ultimate test. As an OLED owner, it’s hard to imagine going back to subtitles on LEDs

[@whophd]

IKR? My Z9D does a pretty good job if you sit in the right chair and tilt it correctly. I expect even better now but get disappointed when I go window shopping mostly.

[@IndigoVikingTV]

@@E_Rice I have the Sony OLED A8G and subtitles are distracting. The white subtitles are so bright, especially in dark scenes it's quite distracting/irritating to the eyes.

[@zenyu94]

it's not a challenge to handle subtitles well for modern miniLEDs, even Samsung could do it. The challenge is handling subtitles well WITHOUT crushing shadow details which Samsungs tend to fall short

[@Showwieh]

@@IndigoVikingTV you change the subtitles to grey or some other dull colour, problem solved

[@Dave-cn4no]

Why no 65inch bravia 9 in UK ridiculous

[@darkcamo77]

Greta's "How dare you?!"

[@tomblade]

It's like they know nothing about the European market

[@vincevirtua]

Makes LG decision easier if I were in the market for an upgrade.

[@Konosuketube]

Haha what a chad, you can see a piece of paper saying "No Photos or Videos Please", but you took it anyway! Thank you so much!!!

[@rkeith7766]

Vincent didn't take the photos or videos. It was Vinnie.

[@grumblekin]

HDTV Test is on OUR side. Vinnie Da Reviewer don't care about no stinkin' signs!

[@Jordanfiend361]

Don’t be a hypocrite I bet the women in your family pull out their phones constantly

[@whophd]

I have a collection of photos of signs saying "no photos", from around the world

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

@@whophd I saw a pic of a frustrated someone surrounded by wheels of cheddar for sale, with a sign saying no photos. I really hope whoever took the pic said "say cheese!"

[@Exzeph]

Current Sony TVs including the A95L (which I own) has a Netflix calibrated mode already... which enthusiast largely ignore because it is not accurate at all.

[@grumblekin]

Sony Semiconductor is a powerhouse. Sony is one of the few Japanese companies that has a complete manufacturing stack available, from imaging chip, to lenses, to monitors. Their all-in approach on cinematic appearance and performance is going to pay off for their movie division.

[@vohen7362]

Advanced laser diode for data centers is a remarkable breakthrough.Sony is very under rated

[@Ceruleanmonster]

Their tech was so advance in the 2000's, it's too expensive for the market. AFAIR, they were the first to develop OLED Displays yet they weren't the one who mass marketed them.

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

I luv Sony !!!

[@RobertK1993]

​@@CeruleanmonsterWorld first OLED years before KG Sony Bravia XEL-01 2007

[@pedro4205]

Well, they are still limited by the MediaTek SOC

[@dolbyman]

I guess Digital Trends was not told about the 'no video footage' of the LED back-lights :)

[@WhyGuy2387]

I am really impressed and I'd even take that Mini LED but unfortunately I cannot and will not go beyond 55" in screen size and I hoped for a 55" model but where I live they won't even sell any smaller flagship than 75" D':

[@Uncle_Fred]

55" TVs are slowly shifting towards the economy/value end of the TV market. In a few years, I'd expect that manufacturers will cease offering 55" models in their premium lineup. I wouldn't even be surprised if 55" panels are consigned to bargain bin off-brand models within our lifetime.

[@bearclaw5115]

@@Uncle_Fred Within our lifetime? Kind of a long window, eh? I expect friggin holograms in my living room by then!

[@76sagman]

Sony make odd decisions. always have but no 65" for the UK is odd even for them!

[@randallsmith2521]

Thanks for filling in on a full model lineup for next year. None of the other reviewers I've watched have talked about the holdover models. Now I understand why the X90L hasn't dropped in price as I expected it would.

[@LordOlbermann]

The X95L was an excellent miniled. If the Bravia 9 is 30-40% better, they have something.

[@ElGrueso]

Too bad A95L looks 100% better than X95L…

[@TheAETHER22]

@@ElGrueso but its an OLED with inevitable burn-in issue so it's automatically 200% worse

[@ElGrueso]

@@TheAETHER22 post 2020 OLED panels doesn’t need to worry about burn-in unless you are watching severe static images for ridiculous amount of time and 0% blooming and real control HDR unlike LED’s crap HDR which makes it 300% better. There are several Rting video about this issue.

[@TheAETHER22]

@@ElGrueso burn in will never go away with organic materials. They'll try to delay it with bigger blue leds or pixel shift but never eliminate it. And yes I want to be playing static images if I want to since I paid for my TV

[@ElGrueso]

@@TheAETHER22 sure watch your static image pictures, and news with your LED and I will be watching my movies, video games and tv shows with OLED 👍

[@falsehope5529]

No new 42-48” is criminal 😂😂

[@kashourikatsu2543]

Facts I game on an LG mini qned it's good, but I might want to upgrade in a couple of years

[@UsernameInvalid48]

Agreed loving using my LG 42' oled as monitor

[@rustler08]

@@UsernameInvalid48 You have a 42 foot monitor? Damn

[@pedro4205]

@@rustler08 I think no one but muricas understand this " ' " and " " " . It is time to start using metric for TV size.

[@RobertK1993]

42 inch 4K is useless since you can't tell difference between 1080p and 4K

[@sailormoon6734]

No 65“ Bravia 9 for Europe, thats crazy and a good strategy to loose customers this year to other brands…

[@danielmeyers5598]

Math correction: "325% MORE dimming zones" means over 4X as many dimming zones, Not "3X as many"

[@indrajeetv8878]

I guess he meant 225 percent more and overall 325% vs 100%

[@JamesAAshton]

@@indrajeetv8878 No, the Sony document he showed said 325% more.

[@vidsbfree4me]

Makes sense for Sony and others to go this route. Simply, OLED has a limited shelf life.

[@raggedcritical]

This years flagship shootout is going to be very interesting. Looking forward to it.

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

The A95L will likely win again.

[@gbej1]

@@michaelbeckerman7532 It will not compete in a 2024 TV shootout as was it was released in 2023

[@RobertK1993]

​@@michaelbeckerman7532Yeah G4 just G3 with few tweaks same with S95D

[@Minarreal]

They ruined it with the available sizes for the Bravia 9. In the States, where houses are giganormous but everybody whines about their prices, I'm sure it'll be good and dandy, but elsewhere? Dumb decision, especially the omission of the 65" unit in Europe. Hell, it's not only that, there should've been a 55" size as well.

[@bearclaw5115]

I think you are correct. I'm a bigger the better guy but no one else in my family is. They would be horrified to have an 85" in their house.

[@whophd]

What happens to the Z-series? I've been waiting for the next revision since 2022's Z9K.

[@jmcd21182]

It was overrated

[@mauriciosalazar2289]

The Bravia9 will be better than anything the Z series could offer...this is the biggest jump in LED tech since the invención of local diming

[@randallsmith2521]

For all intents and purposes the Z-series is stupid. 8K in general is stupid at present (thought it won't always be). The X95L out performed the Z9K

[@vcam-g9h]

@@randallsmith2521 No its not I can game in 8k.

[@randallsmith2521]

@@vcam-g9h while this is true, you'll notice that Sony does not prioritize gaming on its TVs. Gaming is an afterthought most of the time. Otherwise they would be doing things like TCL/Hisense with regards to VRR tech availability on 60Hz TVs and official support for FreeSync and G-Sync.

[@Sabundy]

Have to love all these people so evangelical about OLED, and throwing shade because of not using OLED. As if it's magic and the only technology that should be used 😂😂😂. The results are all that matters.....the technology is irrelevant beyond that. I have not seen one of these in person to judge for myself....but clearly a lot of TV people (on YT and online) that have seen them have been quite impressed. Also have to love how so many people think the display tech is all that matters.....as if the image processors, dimming zones etc don't matter.

[@DrakonR]

Right? I enjoy my LG C1, but my 85"X95K miniLED is on another level with HDR and SDR.

[@Matthew_Perks]

The problem with Mini LED is that they still use LCD panels, so retain their drawbacks. Motion smearing being the main one (really noticeable if you've used OLED for a while) and viewing angle issues. I guess they could strobe the backlights though, which might help.

[@FabriG-yd5ft]

In fact, Sony has very advanced technology in regards to backlight scanning/strobing. On X95L you can have 120Hz backlight scanning with almost no brightness loss and it has the best motion compared to any Oled I've ever owned, almost crt-like (including a90j and a95k which didn't even allow 120Hz bfi, but only 60Hz with too much flicker and brightness loss). Motion on X95L is truly that good, I am confident Bravia 9 will be amazing.

[@RobertK1993]

OLED/QD OLED should be standard display by late 2020s as Micro LED is next premium TV display tech 😂

[@ElGrueso]

@@FabriG-yd5ftX95L greater than any OLED you owned? Lol you probably own some old ass OLED, have you even seen A95L and G3-4 in action? X95L is more where close to real OLEDs.

[@amitavraja3385]

I’d like to see Sony coming with a new QD OLED model next year with a 4th gen panel.That would be awesome😮

[@cainification]

Same, and I also agree it should be next year. Until they do the shootout 2024, A95L is still officially the best TV out since it came out so late only 6 months ago.

[@jacobpaul3429]

Nah. S95d is superior ​@@cainification

[@cainification]

@@jacobpaul3429 Samsung?? lmao sure bub, you definitely in the minority on that one. The flagship Samsung TVs do look fantastic, such vibrate colors, it really is amazing. But it just looks so unnatural to me, the color accuracy cannot be matched.

[@cainification]

@@magicianshobby why did the A95L win the 2023 shootout then by such large margin

[@444chroma]

The 9 series is pure HDR horsepower. ❤

[@bojanlikic3652]

to get blind... great!

[@vcam-g9h]

@@bojanlikic3652 Not sure why people are still ignorant about brightness in 2024. Its for HDR highlights, the sun, a flash light etc its not for the entire screen.

[@DrakonR]

​@@bojanlikic3652don't go outside, it's too bright. Will hurt your eyes.

[@ChipHaven_Dan]

great i look forward for a discounted a95k.

[@mtrebtreboschi5722]

a95l? Even so i dont have a ton of hope. I havent seen a95k price budge much even after the a95l release

[@lionroaring7021]

Ikr

[@Reverend_Rob]

Mini-LED panels are fantastic. I've been very pleased with my c845 and I prefer it to my previous TV which was a C1. That being said I would prefer to own a Sony but I just can't go above 55 inch because I find it to be too large for my living room. It's a real shame that Sony stopped producing flagship models in lower sizes as I'd gladly pay the premium for world class processing which no other brand comes even close to rivaling. Unfortunately.

[@danielgabris5012]

I wait for samsung qn95d. Is last flag ship in 55 inch in europe

[@bearclaw5115]

The processing war is having a shake up. The new LG's are really coming out swinging this year. Not sure on sizes but the new G4 might end up the processing champ.

[@danielgabris5012]

@@bearclaw5115 but G4 is oled. I think is avalaible at 55 inch but their miniled flag ship QNED90T start at 65 :/

[@RobertK1993]

​@@bearclaw5115They way you say coming out swing sounds like a LG fanboy😂

[@NampaKing12]

The year is 2024 and Sony still only has two HDMI 2.1 ports. ☠️

[@Bridin84]

right.... smh great picture, but you get less for the price

[@ogpirons]

I guess they're meaning to say the PS5 and your earc sound are the only reason you'd need an HDMI 2.1 port.

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

Again, that's MediaTek's fault, not Sony's. Sony sticks with the MediaTek SoC platform because it offers the best image processing for their XR processor technology. For now, Sony isn't willing to give up image processing ability/quality just to get two more HDMI 2.1 ports. Send your complaints on this over to the folks at MediaTek, not Sony.

[@Acconda]

No 65” for Bravia 9 for EU and uk will be a huge mistake! Numbskulls! I would have gotten one, but looks like I am sticking with LG then, lost a customer 👋 Sony

[@hattorihanzo1329]

Having the 75X95K and the 65S95C. I’m liking the X95K mini led more than the oled. So i’m all for improved mini led tv’s. Somehow HDR impact is better on my X95K than the S95C

[@Noobmaster69-gp5jt]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Swecan76]

You're not allowed to think that way. The OLED inquisition will come and knock at your door. Oh look there is already one here "Noobmaster". LOL...

[@williammaverick]

OLED fanbois will do everything to justify the thousands more they paid just to get the tiny 10% more blacks.. only to have a display that literally deteriorates and dies.

[@gb3496]

What is with your constant click-bait?! Sony ALWAYS does this... At least for the last few years.

[@E_Rice]

As a current OLED owner, I hope that Sony returns in 2025 with a new Master Series OLED. Seems to be the case as Sony usually releases a new Master Series every 2 years. In the press video the 3 hosts clearly said ‘2024 flagship’ as opposed to Master Series. I EAGERLY await your review, Vincent. You’re the best in the world at this and we appreciate you!

[@_IMNNO]

Exactly this

[@Simplyveej]

That would contradict their roadmap.

[@E_Rice]

@@Simplyveej the roadmap to what? Affordable micro-LED, lol.

[@Simplyveej]

@@E_Rice they dropped major clues through the announcement that they don’t think OLED is flagship material anymore. At least Sony.

[@D0UBLE-R]

Sony has shifted to this mini-led prototype as their flagship tv tech. I predict the 2025 MasterSeries will be 8K Bravia Z mini-led.

[@shivamarya5225]

Vincent I love you but please get a nicer background to go with your videos and stand a bit back like all the other reviewers. Your videos are so much more informative, smart and thorough that it's a crime digital trends and rtings get more views

[@Glerox]

im glad I got the A95L! It will stay the sony OLED flagship for two years

[@RobertK1993]

Or it be replaced by A95M in late 2024

[@swardmusic]

3:09 This tech is only going to get better, this is why I've been saying for a while that OLED will not be in our tv future as it stands now.

[@AntonioCunningham]

Nooooo. Why are they still using that limiting media chip? Having only two 2.1 ports should be unacceptable. Especially if you wall mount your TV

[@bearclaw5115]

At least you can now buy 8k switcher boxes to resolve the problem. But yeah, lame chip implementation on their part.

[@davidvillatoro3688]

Theyre full 48Gbps bandwith 2.1 hdmi ports on the sony ,unlike the competitors which claim they are all 2.1 ports without full 48 bandwidth

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

They addressed that question tonight on the Sony After Hours Support show and it's largely because the MediaTek processors still provide the absolute best image processing technology. If they were to move away from that SoC platform (to get more HDMI 2.1 ports), image processing would suffer as a result. They aren't willing to make that trade off.

[@AntonioCunningham]

@@michaelbeckerman7532 That's a trade-off that removes them as an option. What good is image quality if you can't connect your devices to it. Having to buy extra equipment for something that should be backed into the TV is unacceptable to me. I *really* want the micro LED TV (Not going back to OLED) but looks like I'm stuck with my dying TCL

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

@@AntonioCunningham I'll certainly grant you that MediaTek should have already resolved this issue two years ago, no question about it. Why they haven't done that yet is entirely on them though. However, most gamers that swear they need four HDMI 2.1 ports never even end up actually using more then two of them anyways. Plus, how hard is it to simply unplug one device and plug another one in if you have to? Why is that believed to be such a massive burden? If you would rather have four HDMI 2.1 ports than the best possible image processing, the part that actually determines how well your game-play goes...

[@_AdventureClub_]

Today selling: 3 colors= £1k Tomorrow selling "innovation": 6 colors = £2k. Is this innovation and research!? Same goes for TV's, for mobile phones, for computer components! Sick of it!

[@bearclaw5115]

Your comment bares no relationship to reality. TV's are cheaper than ever while offering vastly improved performance. Why are you even watching this channel?

[@AngryChineseWoman]

I like your glasses Vincent

[@drunkhusband6257]

They didn't shun QDOLED, they simply carried the A95L over to 2024 because there was no reason to upgrade yet....there will mostly likely be a new QDOLED model in 2025.

[@andreasjohansson2348]

I hope they release a 97" or larger panel in the future, that is what I want to buy.

[@tedshep]

Same. I was waiting for that. Disappointed it’s not available.

[@RobertK1993]

That be OLED size 100 inch is LCD

[@RobertK1993]

​@@tedshepCa you afford 6000

[@tedshep]

@@RobertK1993 I can. It would sting a bit, but my last TV was purchased 16 years ago. So I’m willing to spend a pretty good amount if it will last that long.

[@Kapono5150]

I just don’t see a translucent display having anything over a self emissive display.

[@Da-iken]

The new Sony Mini LED TV is the most interesting TV this year to me. Could be my next TV.

[@mgaming7]

ya the 7 series seems to be a great price/performance king

[@Da-iken]

@@mgaming7 Nah, i would avoid it, because it has probably same bad viewing angles like X90L. Bravia 9 is the way to go imo.

[@CaliFinestDemon]

I don't see how. The G4 is still better.

[@Swecan76]

@@Da-iken Of course the Bravia 9 is much better. But if you look at Bravia 7 as a person that would be buying an X90L. The Bravia 7 doesn't cost much more than what X90L did but is a massive improvement. It's better than X95L in many ways because of color volume and so on. The Bravia 7 will be a great "mid range/budget" alternative. Bravia 9 is just even a lot better. It's a leap for their miniLED.

[@Swecan76]

@@CaliFinestDemon I wouldn't be too sure about that. I bet the G4 wins in some things. But Bravia 9 wins in other areas. Also if a person don't sit in a totally dark room and only watch OLED demos, lol. They would quickly see there is little difference and Bravia 9 wins especially in color. It will spank the G4 in color volume by a mile. But I like the G4 too. It's my back up choice.

[@KennyIMO]

Them A95L models are still not coming down to a reasonable price

[@wormscratcher]

Definitely getting the 9 . Best reviewer on here thanks .

[@thevisi0naryy]

No one gives a damn about the 43" market. Sucks.

[@conorturton]

It still concerns me that we'll end up in the same situation with films like Gravity where OLED will display every single star in a scene but those using local dimming will miss out quite a lot, reducing the impact of the scene.

[@KAL-589]

How many stars would you really miss out on though? Would you even notice without a side by side comparison?

[@conorturton]

@KAL-589 Vincent did a video a few years ago where he showed the difference in that movie and it was a hell of a lot, probably the majority of them.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

​@KAL-589 It can be pretty noticeable. I noticed it on my QN90A. I'm sure the Sony will be better but it will also introduce more blooming. I was previously an LED fan when OLEDs were struggling to hit 700 nits for HDR highlights, but now that QD-OLED is hitting 1200-1700 nits depending on which model you buy, it's QD-OLED for me until micro LED actually becomes feasible. Recently got a 77" S90C and it's like I'm properly seeing HDR for the first time

[@444chroma]

You can point to problems on both OLED and LCD when you put a reference monitor between them. Everyone has to decide what strengths of the TV they value the most because they both come with compromises

[@張彥暉-v8p]

And Oled is still struggling on large area and long duration brightness. Reducing the impact of those scenes.

[@RobertTaylorGreatfunshop]

I was hoping for Sony to make a larger model over 100 inches with the Bravio 9 tech to replace my Sony 100 inch model.

[@jw2877]

I won't be buying a Sony😢

[@Pasqua-l8t]

I really don’t Give A Rats Ass if you don’t buy a Sony T.V.

[@jw2877]

@user-hj6hi9ho2k Wow, you're a comedian. Must be nice to have original funny material. I still cant stop laughing. I wish you were my neighbor your so funny 😁

[@gbej1]

Yet you came to a Sony review video, why?

[@thebigbient8736]

japan determined to not buy korean oled panels

[@PedroOliveira1987]

Is the screen on the Bravia 8 still semi matte as on the A80K/80L? Also having only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports does this mean that they are still using old mediatek chipsets? To be honest I still can't see a good enough reason for those who own a A80L, K or even J to upgrade to the Bravia 8. Cheers.

[@eternalbeing3339]

Yeah i do not think i will upgrade from my a80j.

[@unknownsource4359]

@@eternalbeing3339I got a 77” A80J with the glossy screen. I think I’m good for another year. The A80J is still a dog with a bite .

[@HypocriticalElitist]

3:10 I simple don't understand what I am looking at and what Sony is trying to demonstrate (other than "new better than old" and "Sony better than competitor"). 1) Are the bright staggered pin points the LEDs? If so, why is there an image visible at all between the LEDs, given that the LCD is stripped away? 2) What's with the huge dimming stripes on the intact tvs? Is that an artifact of the camera shutter speed vs the tv's refresh cycle? Sony might as well have taken a knife and carved a big gash into the other tv and said "look how much better this year's is!"

[@HypocriticalElitist]

3:37 It looks like the backlight consists of small LEDs in a rectilinear pattern *AND* large ones in a staggered one?

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

@@HypocriticalElitistyeah with THAT money. 💰 IF I have large living room , I will Buy Hisense 98” 110” UX with Glossy -180 viewing angle ADS-PRO ANY day of year. I have seen U8K 75” in person since Nov. I am Still WOW 😮 Jaw dropping over that type of thing existed .

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

Hell yeah! This is exactly what I was waiting for. Something with 0 burn in but OLED level benefits on things like contrast, so I can have an incredible TV as my primary gaming monitor.

[@ElGrueso]

OLED level? No matter what you do LCD can never achieve OLED’s level 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@RobertK1993]

Micro LED TVs years away from budget users that are LG fanboys 😂

[@RobertK1993]

​@@ElGruesoMicro LED is natural successor to Mini LED and OLED better than both

[@ElGrueso]

@@RobertK1993 why brining Micro LED here? Micro LED still got years to go for it to bring down the cost. It is extremely expensive to fabricate since it’s self-illuminating panel similar to OLED but none organic.

[@ElGrueso]

@@RobertK1993 Micro LED is the successor of OLED not Mini-LED… Mini-LED is just a backlight LCD panel.

[@trippplefive]

This just seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel.

[@Noobmaster69-gp5jt]

😂

[@bearclaw5115]

Making better tv's is what Sony should be doing.

[@trippplefive]

@@bearclaw5115I thought the end goal was self-emissive technology? This is the same as polishing a turd.

[@maccodj]

I can't even afford to hear about SONY TV's so I will just keep buying LG!

[@4G12]

Sony. Folks who truly understand it's not just what you have, it's how you use it.

[@cw205mi16]

Isn't "325% more" actually 4.25x?

[@hdtvtest]

@cw205mi16: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.

[@Swecan76]

@@hdtvtest Vincent. Isn't the math kind of weird when they say a 65" QN90C and 65" Bravia 9 has similar zone count. But the Bravia 9 supposed to have up to 3x as many zones as the X95L. We know the QN90C has 720 zones in 65". And the X95L 65" has 480 zones. 3x480= 1440 zones. That is double the QN90C. So either it has a lot less than 3x, barely even 2x or it's a QN95C at 1440 zones (actually is in 65") and they labeled it wrong. Something doesn't add up. Maybe the 65" has a lot less zones than the 85"? A 3x 85" Bravia 9 compared to 85" X95L would land around 2600 zones. Since it's up from 860 zones. In any case, it's more zones and we can see it. Just confusing.

[@mgaming7]

if the Bravia 8 is 10% brighter than an A80L, how much brighter is the A90J or A95L compared to the A80L? Is the Bravia 8 on par with an A90J brightness ? close to A95L brightness? The Bravia 7, is it as good as the old X93L or X95L now? Does Sony want me to go LG G4?

[@redpillthinking6043]

That's pretty bad if indeed it is only 10% brighter. The A80L is already pretty dim, and a 10% brightness boost would be on the same level as the C3. The only Sony I would ever consider getting is the A95L, but I'm not willing to pay the Sony tax.

[@qrsthatsme4030]

That’s my questions regarding the Bravia 7, is it almost as good as the x95L? If it is then that’s the one I’ll go for.

[@Reallynotnick]

“325% more” is 4x not 3x, since they are saying “more” rather than something like “as many” (100% more is 2x as many and 50% more being 1.5x) Edit: looks like like its confirmed to be a typo, seems like a common issue to get confused once you go past 100% more, even though 20% more is obviously not the same as 120% more.

[@Lock2002ful]

Those are some astonishing mental gymnastics. It depends on how it is phrased. Your math is bonkers.

[@hdtvtest]

@Reallynotnick: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.

[@aquaneon8012]

@@Lock2002ful If you remember math from school, "more" means addition. "as" means multiplication.

[@Lock2002ful]

@@aquaneon8012 My mother tongue isn’t English, so I don’t remember something I haven’t learned. I majored in math though and am always amazed by what some people are writing online when it comes to math. So wrong, yet so sure they’re right.

[@Reallynotnick]

@@hdtvtest thanks for confirming!

[@RiasatSalminSami]

No more burn in 5 years finally.

[@bruceparker3139]

excited to see how Bravia 9 controls blooming and handles Black scenes especially dark sky with stars

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

It won't compete with OLED or QD-OLED.

[@freshboyfab]

The “What Hi-Fi” reviewer claims in his observations that blooming is virtually nonexistent and that the black levels are near the S95C.

[@RobertK1993]

​@@PSYCHOV3N0MA95M QD OLED likely by unveiled in September

[@bruceparker3139]

​​@RobertK1993 A95M? I thought sony wont be making QD-OLEDs anymore

[@TiagoBlomker]

For games, Bravia 9 will never surpass an Oled. The "gamer mode" of a miniled disables all the cool features that make the image so spectacular. Or you have the resources turned on and play with unplayable latency.

[@ImaITman]

Correction: Sony doesn't want to pay for OLED, so they try to convince you mini LED at OLED pricing is just as good.

[@DrakonR]

You're coping, coping and seething. 🎶

[@bearclaw5115]

Nah. They are still fielding two OLED's this year. I think that they are betting that for most people the new LED backlighting system will dazzle and look good enough to most. They keep the OLED's around for the purists but didn't put much effort into that part of the line up.

[@ImaITman]

@@bearclaw5115 Good info to know, thanks for educating me :)

[@beltrangarrote1982]

83A90J (2021 model) happy and proud owner. I’m confused…is now a mini-led better than oled? One thing is crystal clear: I’m never downsizing. Am I missing the new good “stuff” or my panel is still relevant and should wait for the even next development?

[@bearclaw5115]

You have an excellent panel there good sir. I"m in a similar boat with two A80J's. A90J is more or less on par with any WOLED ever made. It is bested by the new QD-OLED's but not by a mile and none are yet available in 83" or higher. And I agree, no downsizing! The LG G4 will be substantially brighter with MLA in 83" for the first time this year. It will also likely have better processing than the A90J. But it won't have the higher color volume of the QD-OLED's. So the G4 would be your best bet in this year's tv's but if I was in your shoes, I'd keep holding out another year or two. By then we should have 3,000nit QD-OLED's in larger sizes that will really knock your socks off!

[@unknownsource4359]

@@bearclaw5115the 77” A80J was so close to the 83” A90J in performance. 77” A80J proud owner.

[@patrickknapp4588]

Vincent we want the G4 review!!!

[@vcam-g9h]

The G4 is the G3 with a slightly better processor, if you look closely at the picture and compare it to the G3 it looks a bit sharper. I fail to see why people are getting so excited as it if its some major innovation, if you want to see a leap compare the g2 to the g3.

[@mastrorj68]

I have both G3 and G4. The G3 went in the bedroom g4 in the living room. It's a much bigger difference in shadows, processing, motion and a bit brighter but I have to turn that down anyway. It's a huge upgrade IMO

[@varsas10]

​@user-oq6sc1qm4j doesn't it also have an improved MLA panel? In any case that's why we want the review, to tell us what the differences are.

[@vcam-g9h]

@@varsas10 All I am saying is the G3 was a revolutionary tv and a massive leap over the G2. The G4 is just a slight tweak over the G3 and the tweaks are not very noticable unless you put both TVs side by side and look very closely.

[@mastrorj68]

@@vcam-g9h I mean in that case I can do that with any modern OLED. I don't think if you had the A95L and before that the A8H and A90J you could tell the difference. I've had all three and if I didn't have them next to each other I would not know the difference because while I'm a stickler for the motion and being able to see shadows and processing not in any three of those TVs that I mentioned did I ever see a huge jump I saw a lot of the same small problems but they were all great and I would never know they were different and improvements unless I had all three next to each other

[@MusaonYT]

Was OLED too expensive for them to manufacture? Why the hell would you ever ditch OLED?

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

🍊🍋🍌🍏🍎🥦🫛🍅🍒🥬🍑🫐🥐🥕🍞🧀🥞 Because COLOR DENSITY+brightness boost behind d DENSE color creats the --CONTRAST, n 3D visual. NOT pure black black black. the Black the better (we dont need brightness, we are fine with low color volume) is PURE marketing UP Sale pitch. Cat’s OUT of bag. with premium Hisense TCL insane high end LEDs.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Hisense U8H U8K , TCL Qm8 has -COLOR VOLUME- match Samsung/SONY QD-OLED. So for a LOT of scenes especailly day time watching or lights on if with kids, working home etc. they CAN even look MORE 3D than LG G2 G3, by simply having brightness 🔅 n INSANE color volume/DENSITY. Behind image . When the black level is 98-99% match OLED> :) 🎉 Stuff like A80L beside U8K Qm8. Side by side. Cant compete. When dressed up becky on instagram come in real life beside a Stacy.

[@Ozu92]

Thanks to SonY for making my choice easier. Wait for me LG G4 83''

[@bearclaw5115]

Yup. G4's the ticket in that size OLED this year.

[@nicholasparry2521]

Lg G4 review any time soon ?

[@Displays.1234.]

No flagship this year just rubbish mini LED

[@DrakonR]

Give the baby his pacifier. You're coping, coping and seething. 🎶

[@EvilNui]

one less option to look at I guess 😆

[@SukumarPatel]

Confused between Bravia 7 vs X90L. Is the difference worth the 40% more price? - More dimming zones - Slightly brighter HDR and SDR - Android 12 vs 10 What's your opinion?

[@notlekrut]

The number of zones look awfully low in those exposed shots. Can only assume it'll still bloom in dark rooms which is disappointing in a flagship TV.

[@DrakonR]

My 85"X95K doesn't bloom any differently than my LG C1 does.

[@bearclaw5115]

@@DrakonR Any LED has some bloom. The C1 has none. However, your perception might be correct. Watch your C1 in the dark and put on some white text over a black background. You will see some blooming. Guess what? It's in your eyes! To prove it, put your finger over the white text and you will see the 'blooming' is gone! This means that OLED's outperform our own eyes in contrast which is pretty nuts!

[@darkshaman7087]

OMG tv's are so complex these days its hard to pick one, please bring back the old reddifusion box tv's as you knew what you had if you bought on of those.

[@Blacksadify]

I hope they translate the new Mini-LED panels into the PC monitor space. Higher peak brightness and more dimming zones would make it a nice alternative to the OLED monitor options.

[@lancealex382]

The speed of the fald array will be very important for gaming. No 65" for Europe though means Sony are basically a no show for me this year👎

[@hold121]

They are just skipping this year and will update the oled next year.

[@Daniel-it1dp]

Having had my first OLED (LG CX) since November 2020 that now has severe, noticeable burn in and many dead pixels (although only visible from inches away but not looking good for longevity) I might be done with OLED as well.

[@vipulgupta]

When are Micro-LED TV's coming to market? They are supposed to be the future.

[@andreydavydov6417]

2035-2040 ?

[@davidsmith9407]

We're still 10-15 years away from them being available in 55-75 inch sizes at below $10,000.

[@AexoeroV]

We are very far from affordable MicroLED TVs!!

[@jmcd21182]

They're still in the future

[@notlekrut]

If you're willing to spend 100K+ you can buy one... not even sure how much they cost. but seriously, wait another decade maybe. It's still too expensive to manufacture

[@EastAngliaUK]

a 75 inch sony would be so nice but my bedroom is too small and 65 inch is the most

[@timmark4190]

10x10 room can take 77. Get a G series. They mount very close to the wall

[@nickxcore74]

Still having only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports on a premium price TV is an absolute joke in this day and age.

[@Nothinglastsforever]

Blame mediatek.

[@haukionkannel]

Yeah… they use what they can get from mediatech

[@bearclaw5115]

You can solve the issue with an 8k (HDMI 2.1) switcher box now.

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

No, it's really not. Even the "hard core" gamers that buy TVs with four HDMI 2.1 ports almost never end up using all of them. They just want them so they can SAY they have them.

[@Raven-83]

Vincent.... any of your sponsors have solutions to import a TV from the uk to europe? Example the Bravia 7 55" wich regretably....will not come to europe?

[@spartan2188]

The next Sony QD-OLED with an 83" size will be amazing. Waiting for 2025. Should be a banger.

[@MadLustEnvy]

You better jump between the multiverse, because Sony is not going to use QD-Oleds, outside of their current deals.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@MadLustEnvyThat's bullshit. There will be a QD-OLED flagship TV in 2025.

[@Simplyveej]

Not according to this video

[@markharwood]

Sadly unlikely as Sony don't want to be beholden to Samsung. And even Samsung seem uncertain as to whether QD OLED will be in their future.

[@MadLustEnvy]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M have you even been paying attention? Sony is stepping away from qd oleds. They're just selling last year's model this year and have moved back to mini led for flagships.

[@MichaelM28]

So glad the Bravia 7 is available in 55 inches and in Australia considering the X93L (and X95L) started at 65 inches and couldn't be purchased in Australia

[@Nothinglastsforever]

x95L is/was purchasable from Hi-Fi stores, not department stores

[@djayjp]

6:28 This is exactly why mini led will never be able to compete with oled, no matter how many zones they have--the backlight must pass through a diffuser which causes the blooming effect.

[@NexGenTek]

Depends on the algorithm to negate that maybe they’ve had a break through!

[@Lead_Foot]

I've only just switched to a QD-OLED monitor and while it's certainly better in dark scenes and the motion clarity is amazing, it's quite underwhelming in bright scenes compared to my FALD LCDs and the VRR gamma flicker is insanely distracting in some games.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@NexGenTekNo such thing as a breakthrough when local dimming zones are physically larger than each pixel. No LCD TV with any algorithm can compete with OLED when it comes to overall picture quality, contrast ratio, response time, etc. LCD only wins in brightness.

[@NexGenTek]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Picture quality will be opinion based this year with the new TVs. This will be my second non oled. Contrast ratio sure. It doesn’t need infinite with 4000 nits. Response times are so low now it makes no difference unless you’re playing esports on a 75inch! The HDR will blow you away. My Z8H still has scenes that my oleds just can’t match.

[@DrakonR]

Tell me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses without telling me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses. Nailed it.

[@D65Cinder11HDR]

The new old model picture is so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠

[@beyondearth6418]

Meh skipping this model. I prefer oled.

[@DrakonR]

Are you daft? They have an OLED option.

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

The reason is cost and paying LG. Profit. Sony should be concentrating on Micro-LED and nit Mini-LED. To make it less expensive. All Sony is, is design and processing. They do a great job of it, but business is always first. Once Micro-LED is inexpensive enough in about 5 years, of they stick with it, these channels and upgrading will be obsolete. Problem is; This Mini-LED TV will cost the consumet more than a nrand new OLED.

[@bearclaw5115]

Concentrate on something that has no hope of turning a profit for many years, that your competition will steal anyway? And do that at the expense of developing your already profitable lines? You sir are no business genius.

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

It's already looking more and more now like MicroLED may never be able to be brought down to a price point that it is affordable for the general consumer. More than likely, manufacturers will just end up skipping that technology altogether and moving on to something else that they can mass produce at an affordable price for the general market.

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

@michaelbeckerman7532 It's the best technology there is by far. I'm going to spend 250,000 dollars on a 160 inch Micro-LED tomorrow. ;)

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO Cool, can you pick me up one too while you are at it? :)

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

@@michaelbeckerman7532 ;)

[@DR.HUSNIZAIMBINABLATIFFHSNZ]

So oled level of contrast with lcd peak brightness ❤❤

[@RobertK1993]

No Mini LED not miraculous that be Micro LED

[@DrakonR]

2500-3000 nits?.. Mother of God. 😎

[@bearclaw5115]

It's just peak. And how many nits is it outside anyway? I'm sure you can handle it.

[@DrakonR]

@@bearclaw5115 of course I can. Where did I say I can't? Lol.

[@nicksajs]

I just care about upscaling in which Sony is unbeatable🎉

[@KAL-589]

Agreed. Though Panasonic ain't too far behind imo.

[@rome8602]

Not really, lg has caught up on the lg g3. Gradation as well.’ This aint 2017 anymore but good luck telling people that. Sony has mindshare.

[@bearclaw5115]

@@rome8602 Arguably the new G4 has better processing than any Sony to date. I'm sure they will respond though!