Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988) KILL COUNT

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[@doodledevore7745]

Is it weird to say I like your stubble, Mr. Janisse?

[@ResidentEvilGamer2k]

@Billy the puppet i was talking about the kill count

[@Hellbane224]

I think the whole "hands do not summon us, it is desire" thing is accurate. Kirsty didn't desire to summon them, but she DID desire to solve the puzzle box. Tiffany had no desire to solve the puzzle box, it was a compulsion. She has a compulsion to solve puzzles, so it's not really something that can be thought of as a desire to solve them, she just can't help herself. She sees a puzzle and she has to solve it.

[@OkamiDesuGa]

Additionally, Dr. Creepo had the desire to have the box solved, so his desire is what truly summoned them.

[@animeotaku307]

I just figure that the box responds to subliminal desires, hence why it seems so easy to solve. In Kirsty’s case, it was curiosity.

[@Mediocresinger]

If this is the case though, it makes me wonder about all of the dead patients who were chained to the beds and forced to use the lament configurations... Unless it was Dr. Creepo who killed them and not cenobites summoned by the boxes.

[@OkamiDesuGa]

@@Mediocresinger I think it was Dr. Creepo. We see him kill the first one, so I'd say it's a pretty safe assumption to say he killed the rest

[@Jediand]

I very much got this impression; curiosity was the key factor. For Tiffany it was an automatic compulsion but for Kirsty it was an "exploration". I don't mean to be rude to the young woman but it would have been the same as if you got a machine to do the job; it wasn't her willing that wanted the box opened. While Kirsty wanted the box opened, even though she had no idea what it was. Frank and the british army officer knew what the box was, which is why their introductions to the world of "pleasure" was much more immediate.

[@itsalive522]

“Your suffering will be legendary, even in hell” is one of the most badass movie quotes ever

[@violet-beck]

so freakin good

[@thehitherto5348]

It's become a very popular sample to use among death metal and industrial bands.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

A voice goes a long way. The perfect first voice will give you chills

[@thomasharris7881]

Yeah one of Cradle of Filths albums uses Doug Bradley quite a lot I think it’s the Midian album. Also the line from Brazil, where the chick goes: “care for a little necrophilia?”.

[@arung5107]

Yes

[@Lightnatural]

“and to think... i hesitated.” that line was so well-delivered.

[@Ajehy]

Reminds me of “Jesus wept”

[@rockycuro7737]

Probably the most memorable line in the movie in my opinion

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

"The doctor is in..."

[@sleazymeezy]

Honestly makes the film imo

[@tanner201x8]

What does it mean

[@notOtzdarva]

I nominate this video for best sponsored segment of all time. So cute to see James and Chelsea work together on it. 🥰

[@skeladud3913]

Yup, that's the only reason why I'd nominate it. 👀

[@ausirias7372]

Hello Friends, Otz here, according to this random KZbin Comment

[@Huntly23]

Ayyyy Otz

[@vrbirdboi1494]

Rat gamer.

[@vinicio6070]

Hi daddy Otz

[@lbds9555]

The patient screaming "Get them off me!" is still one of the most haunting things I've ever seen in a horror movie.

[@SilverWolf442]

I know the feeling. And I wish I were kidding. 😑 The skin crawlies, I mean. Not being used as bait for Hell Spawn.😜

[@ssharkbait]

I saw this comment and thought “really?” But then I remembered not everyone works in a psych unit. The scene makes me sad more than anything.

[@overgme]

If you've never seen it, the unrated version of Hellbound stretches out his death scene, including a lot more shots of him using the razor blade on himself and the maggots he was hallucinating. It's a rough, rough scene to watch unedited.

[@Pippa87]

I couldn’t watch that first time I saw it. Just seemed too cruel to use someone so vulnerable.

[@Revan058]

@@ssharkbait Thank you for what you do. It can be a soul crushing job, but...people need the help.

[@crybabyland]

This movie is a masterpiece of a sequel. The glowing, moaning bodies on the slabs in “Frank’s den” were just *chef’s kiss* for creativity and imagery.

[@richieboostajr.35]

One of the better horror sequels that surpasses the original, like Psycho 2 did. Clever writing, better filmstock, bigger budget, more gore, etc... Some horror sequels work, others don't. Seems like many times it takes 3,4,5 of many sequels to be better. Should've stopped after Hellraiser 3,imo.

[@balabanasireti]

@@richieboostajr.35 Psycho 2 didn't though

[@Papohawkiscool11No.2]

@@balabanasireti evil dead 2 clever writing, better filmstock, bigger budget and more gore

[@ShortHax]

“Who you callin’ pinhead?”

[@doodledevore7745]

*Hamborgini no mercy*

[@erichfiedler1481]

I wanna be Dirty Dan! Because I'm dirty right now. What? I haven't showered yet!

[@sicksadworld997]

@@erichfiedler1481 I say I'M DIRTY DAN!

[@Jekyll_Jackal]

What's make you think you can be dirty Dan?

[@ltmcnugs9185]

I'm dirty :D *bonk*

[@BjornV1994]

The line: "It isn't hands that summon us, but desire" hints at how the box works and why it is supposed to be hard to open: the box is easier to solve for those who have a desire to know the secrets of the cenobites. Kirsty's desire for answers, to know what was so special about the box and what was happening in her house, was enough for her to be considered worthy and there is also clear interest of the cenobites in her, so there is a clear darkside in Kirsty that the Cenobites are picking up on. With the other films, we see similar things: each character is either curious about what the box is and can do or there is a different (often sexual) desire that drives the character to mess with it. So in short, if you have either enough desire to open box or alternatively enough curiosity, the box will aid its own unlocking. If you lack both desire and curiosity, the puzzle is nigh impossible to solve. That's where the legend comes from. From people whose desires were too small and their curiosity not great enough, they would have to solve the puzzle the hard way and that's very difficult apparently Tiffany would be in this category as she had no desire or curiosity, only compulsion due to her disorder. Yet due to her compulsion, she wouldn't have given up until she solved it and that allowed her to actually managing to solve it like the hard way, through the mechanics of the thing. A similar things happens in Bloodline, with a robot solving the box. The robot managed to solve it due its programming, it had no desire to do it or curiosity for it. They didn't take the robot as well, despite solving the box. Though while they did spare Tiffany, likely because Hell does have a rule about not hurting an innocent soul and Pinhead at this point is still a stickler for the rules. The robot was destroyed as it had no soul and the Gash was pissed of finding something they couldn't torture.

[@bobtheturtle390]

hold up ima read this but let me get some coffee

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Huh, interesting.

[@stormytyca]

There's actually a series of comics in the Hellraiser franchise where Kirsty and Pinhead essentially switch places, with her becoming the new Hell Priestess. I won't spoil too much of the rest of the story here, but, suffice it to say, Kirsty has some seriously deep-*deep*-seeded subconscious desires when it comes to the Cenobites' dimension.

[@BjornV1994]

@@stormytyca True, that also hints that Kirsty might not have been as innocent as she might have appeared.

[@stormytyca]

@@BjornV1994 oh, she is most definitely not innocent. Tiffany is, Kirsty is not.

[@newguy90]

"Everyone is solving it." That's the point. The Cenobites WANT people to solve the box. Presenting it as a puzzle game is just a method the Cenobites use to sucker their victims into performing a magic ritual to summon them and open a way to hell. Cenobites cannot leave Hell on their own.

[@R4t10nal]

The Cenobite don't WANT anything, because desire is sin according to their book, and they are just enforcers rather than living entities. Leviathan should be the one WANTING

[@sidnew2739]

Not true. In the novel the box is described as really hard to solve. Maybe because it is pitch-black there. Frank needs half a day for it and Kirsty only does it much quicker because his blood sticks to the gaps.

[@EmperorGooseEdits]

little fact Leviathan is a fall angel (seraphim) who is one of the princes of hell (7 deadly sins) and leviathan is actually the entrance to hell pretty cool right

[@mask938]

@@EmperorGooseEditsWhich sin is Leviathan the prince of?

[@EmperorGooseEdits]

@@mask938 Envy

[@draculaschild6626]

James is so lucky he realized that he hadn’t done a popular staple horror franchise that has a lot of movies otherwise he would’ve had to do Thankskilling 3.

[@axelnilsson5124]

He would still have too

[@Antron-ty7nj]

He’s going to split the series in parts of 3 movies

[@maxsmith5483]

We’ll never forget. Thankskilling 3 will be counted one day.

[@princesssummernight]

@@axelnilsson5124 unless copyright happens

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Stop brown nosing for a like and hoping James gives you a ❤. James does popular franchises.Hell raiser is a popular franchise, its why another came out recently. Alot of ppl despise Thankskilling because it tries to hard to be a B movie. James doesn't care for that movie much

[@lonecycle4849]

"Call me Kyle" "Yeah, what the fuck else was I going to call you?" Legit laughed out loud at that.

[@LilyApus]

I'm definitely stealing that stupid ass way to introduce yourself.

[@DoktorWeedus]

Docter Professor Johnson

[@TheFunniBaconMan]

Lieutenant Doctor Kyle Gorman

[@teksnotdead902]

“To think I hesitated.” Is one of my favorite lines in horror movies. It says everything you need to know about the allure of the power of pleasure and pain.

[@maxtanaka3728]

“im no longer just wicked step mother. now im the evil queen.” is actually such a kick ass line

[@hooting-ton5215]

There are many great lines in this film. "To think... I hesitated."

[@spacecat3198]

I loved Julia when she was in Hell the most. She should have been terrifying. I think she was supposed to be turned into a cenobite. Would have been great in the third movie. But I would have still wanted to see Terry Farrell in it.

[@Stormkrow280]

Franks punishment in hell has always fascinated me, as if his own sin was being used against him. That seems like a far worse way to torment someone than just physical torture.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

It’s kind of compelling Like does a predator see their victims all exposing them and then they go through all the experiences of prison over and over again?

[@CrowDeadRose]

Frank had already been torn apart twice by the Cenobites now, I like to think that Leviathan has multiple levels of torment that keeps the souls from becoming numb to the torture.. Once the line between pain and pleasure is ripped away, you are then refused both sensations in a mentally draining denial of pleasures and suffering.. He was a sick man, but Frank was not worthy of becoming reborn as a Cenobite and thus was only another soul the Leviathin and it's Cenobites could torment.. Once Frank becomes unresponsive, then either they go back to physically torturing or perhaps something far worse that we couldn't even fathom.. Perhaps once a soul is empty, they are eaten and assimilated into the Leviathan itself..? Maybe they get discarded into a pit of filth and excrement.. Or maybe they become the building material for the walls of the labyrinth..

[@NitPickz]

It's interesting, but kinda minimal at the same time. I actually find part 5's way of showing people in Hell more suitable. Although I am a sucker for psychological horror.

[@grabble7605]

But it was physical torture. Blue balls - forever.

[@grabble7605]

@@NitPickz 5 isn't even a Hellraiser film.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

It's amazing how the composer managed to somehow use Tibetan horns to blow out morse code for the word "God", that's a lot of effort, mad respect to Christopher Young.

[@abhayxv76]

glad to see ur back

[@hankhill7612]

Haven't seen you in a while

[@birb9501]

E

[@Aeolus.]

why are you everywhere I go

[@401tokyo2]

Are you and the guy with the mustache the same person or no?

[@scuttledspatula8837]

Loving the Hellraiser kill counts! “And to think, I hesitated”

[@stormyd1869]

222nd like

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yep.

[@nathancarrender3100]

I honestly think James is the most binge worthy creator on KZbin. I literally end up watching kill counts constantly when I’m just chillin no matter how many times I’ve seen the video

[@SullyVanJ58]

idk if its the editing or the actual full breakdwns of movies i love more just insanely well made videos so much time go into them

[@keavs4564]

Literally same

[@Neodante15]

Same I just let them play in the background

[@lolicongang.4974]

I rather watch game theory or film theory. This is just to info for me.

[@georgehartkeiii2269]

@@Neodante15 I listen to them while gaming

[@RoyalKingOliver]

I really like how it took terrible puns to make Tiffany talk. That’s honestly the most hilarious thing ever

[@Higesgirl]

"They didn't tell you, did they? They've changed the rules of the fairy tale. I'm no longer just the wicked stepmother. Now I'm the evil queen. So come on! Take your best shot, Snow White!" is my one of my favorite villain quotes.

[@dream_walker9726]

Same

[@Enbi_bitch2]

It's easily my 3rd favorite

[@BlueScarabGuy]

Always love the subtle little wordplay referencing stuff non-horror nerds will appreciate, James. The subtle note that Sean Chapman voiced Psycho in the first Crysis game is great.

[@DeadMeat]

First comment I saw catching that, thank you

[@evilbob840]

I missed that, but I did catch two Beatles references nearly back-to-back.

[@Rufus_Roberts22]

@@DeadMeat Big W with The Beatles references

[@averageprismy7031]

I absolutely love the "Im a doctor" bit that James has never given up, fantastic

[@admech590]

Hellraiser sequels after two: James...we have such sights to show you. James: no. Oh please God no Hellraiser sequels after two: oh, no. No tears. It's a waste of good suffering!

[@michaelbolcato192]

Can’t wait to hear James’s thoughts on Hellraiser 5 and onward (if he ever does them) since they were straight to DVD films, were only made so that Dimension/Miramax/Weinstein could keep the rights to the franchise and most of them weren’t originally supposed to be Hellraiser movies.

[@fvnaticbychoice]

@@michaelbolcato192 he said he’s only going to Part 4 bc those are the ones involving Clive Barker

[@axelnilsson5124]

@@fvnaticbychoice that’s not the reason why it’s because of how many movies there are

[@michaelbolcato192]

@@fvnaticbychoice Yeah, I heard about that. He might do Hellraiser 5 and onwards if the views for the first 4 Hellraiser films kill counts are decent and if there’s in any interest for them.

[@rararasputin8608]

"Janisse, wept..."

[@StoneyMac15]

"All out ceno-fight!!!" The amount of hype in these words are beyond explainable

[@floop74]

I had to pause the video to lol. My lord, James

[@dull_entertainer2857]

it was awesome though. at least, it could've been

[@eehbahgore-horrormovierevi5389]

Wish it was as good as it sounded 🤣🤣🤣

[@frstwhsprs]

We need an all-out (placeholder) FIGHT!!!!

[@tomseville2345]

You could use Channard saying "FIGHT!" in any fighting game...

[@Sinvicta]

Always love the Sea Of Thieves references James!

[@DeadMeat]

Yeah you WOULD, Sin!

[@Sinvicta]

@@DeadMeat Dang right I would!

[@ogge9296]

What was the SoT reference? I didn't catch it.

[@Tiajones333]

Ok

[@gocharsispa2558]

@@ogge9296 21:40 “Some of them are wraithballs!”

[@kinghearts4497]

I completely lost it when James broke character in the preview talking about the night club. Press F for James dealing with another hard-to-count mass killing scene.

[@Custer_X]

Yeah especially the soldier scene idk if he's gonna count it or not because it was a dream sequence. On the other hand, people like to see big numbers.

[@TheFlock83]

If he does the nightclub does that mean we’ll finally get The Collection?

[@aspiehyena5360]

We're all worried for James.

[@dynamowill]

It's Rec 3 all over again

[@UnclePhil1112]

@@aspiehyena5360 if the kill counts from the Purge movies and Train to Busan has taught us anything, he will do his best to give a good estimate and eventually say fuck it and just give us a high body count

[@nopizzawithoutpineapple]

Maybe the Cenobites were like "Okay our hands on rule turned out to cause a bit of a ruckus last time, so how about we go with desire instead? I think that would turn out much more consistent results long term." Then they held a vote and everyone except the Lady voted yes. She was pretty upset, yet still went along with the new ruleset because she recognizes the importance of keeping the democratic process intact.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

id actually love this as a detail if it was canon tbh

[@arkauthor]

Probably happened off screen like Chatter's getting eyes.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Ooo, nice idea.

[@maneater3795]

Fun Fact: This and Titanic hold the records for most times the main characters repeat each other's names in a movie.

[@tomseville2345]

I think Kirsty has Tiffany beat in this one...🤣🤣

[@lorddraugr3138]

*Me remembering the Darkness 2* Me: Eh, nothing I can’t handle :3

[@BlaizeTheDragon]

What about Akira? 🤔

[@DeclanCorey]

"It was meant to look like a penis; what do you want???" God, even the behind the scenes stuff is amazing

[@kev3d]

Note that when Spencer is being tortured and transformed into Pinhead he is screaming, but also smiling. I think this was to demonstrate the dual-nature of the cenobites: extreme pain AND pleasure.

[@WordUnheard]

As Frank said in the first movie, "I thought I'd gone to the limits. I hadn't. The Cenobites gave me an experience beyond limits... pain and pleasure, indivisible."

[@atom6748]

GCSE english analysis

[@grabble7605]

It's not duality. It's singularity. There is pain. There is pleasure. They are one. There is no "and".

[@LuisMartinez-rw2lj]

One thing about James that I love so much is that he reminds us just how much of a collective action it takes to make a good movie. He talks about the director, producer, writers, actors, background extras, make up artists and etc.

[@CrowDeadRose]

19:05 Chatterer was Leviathan's favorite, 2nd in command under the Hell Priest "Pinhead". Chatterer was the muscle of Pinhead's gash.. My personal favorite Centobite in design and backstory that hits me hard in old scars when I first read about it all.. Comics and toys from Hellraiser fill in the gaps, but I'll paraphrase.. A young orphan named Jim, a boy who framed his own mother for murdering his abusive father.. While an orphan, Jim engages in a homosexual relationship with another boy named Seth and they both became prostitutes when they were teenagers.. Jim's deepest desire was once, "To be loved" but it was twisted by the clients who often complimented his physical appearance into being, "To be ugly." So someone could love him for who he was, not for his physical appearance.. The client who asked Jim about his deepest desire gave the young boy the Lament Configuration.. He becomes the keeper of the box until years later when he comes across a blinded Seth, who was punished by their pimp with blindness for Jim leaving.. Jim was told to give the box to Seth to open, but instead Jim has sex with his former lover... Seth expresses nothing but hate towards Jim the entire time... This betrayal made Leviathan enraged with jealousy and from the loss of Seth not being a claimed soul... For Seth left without opening the box.. Leviathan instead takes poor Jim into the labyrinth to be warped, burned, torn, twisted and horrifically scarred beyond recognition.. Blinded by scars to mock Seth's fate of blindness, muted by his own chattering teeth, his once beautiful and flawless skin that his clients lusted for was now a mangled mess of flesh that has been cut, burned and torn over and over again to the point that Jim was all scar tissue.. Chatterer was born from the desires of a heavily abused and broken soul of a young boy, the longing for love caused by so much trauma and abuse was now long gone; the desire to be ugly however was fulfilled.. Chatterer took only one soul, most likely Seth, to serve him within their dimentional hell as a reward from Leviathan for his loyal service; the Centobite known as Torso was Chatterer's personal slave.. After Chatterer's death, Torso is left to search for his master out of desperation and abandonment.. Torso only appears in one Hellraiser movie, but the toy figure says that Torso was Chatterer's personal servant and what I said above.. The Chatterer Beast was made by Pinhead and Leviathan, missing their loyal servant Chatterer.. It use to be a person, but now it has no humanity left within.. The Female Centobite was once a Catholic Nun.. She's not really related to Chatterer's story, at least I think, but it's a little extra info for anyone interested.. While she is sometimes called "Deepthroat" for the neck wound, I prefer the name Female Cenobite when you consider her backstory and that not having a real name removes any pride from the equation for the former nun's destroyed ego.. She is not the only female Cenobite, there are more in comic lore.. The Engineer was much better in the book, but it is one of the ways Leviathan changes humans into Cenobites.. Let's not talk about Butterball... Or the pseudo cenobites from Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth..

[@drpibisback7680]

Damn, Clive Barker don't play.

[@glennt69lol]

The engineer is totally different in the movies

[@animeotaku307]

Barbie Wilde, who portrayed the Female Cenobite, head canons her name as Sister Cilice. Named after a garment made of coarse material worn to have one repent and purify themselves. I honestly like that name more.

[@turma8eac]

Cool

[@bernebelmont1857]

God damn what a backstory

[@kokichiouma436]

"Leather daddies, AND leather mommies! AND leather... Whatevers!!" Yes representation of all here!

[@kokichiouma436]

@@shaunhayes3072 yep

[@issamroyal_5581]

leather babbies

[@MurcuryEntertainment]

The gang's all here!

[@pagananikey]

The three genders

[@hypnoticskull6342]

Fun Fact: Leviathan is meant to be the embodiment of Envy, so him being the god of desire really works

[@johnnyferalcat896]

How?

[@Quesoquantum]

@Johnny Feralcat envy is jealousy of others, desire most likely not only refers to the desire to use others for gratification etc

[@sleazymeezy]

FuN fAcT 🤓

[@Lavonda_]

It’s funny how I didn’t really remember the stories in Hellraiser, but I remember being terrified as a child. I should rewatch them, I think I’d enjoy them now.

[@cinemaking9887]

The character Pinhead is much more iconic that the actual film

[@rafstrayhorn5772]

I'm the same with nightmare on elm Street

[@Freyii]

You know being on set must have been an absolute blast if the whole crew returned.

[@meisterproper8304]

Or it was just the short time in between filming the two

[@Quesoquantum]

I don't think the female returned actually?

[@grassmonkeyO5]

“The female” 🫥

[@Papohawkiscool11AndFriends]

The female cenobite was recast

[@Papohawkiscool11AndFriends]

But the other actors who played chatterer and butterball from the first film returned to reprised the role in this masterpiece sequel

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

I know it's a small role, but Oliver Smith needs some special recognition for how much he put into the role as the insane guy that thinks he's covered in bugs. Seriously, dude was 100% convincing, and he made that moment so disturbing.

[@francescogulisano2917]

I love that Chelsea is becoming a regular of the "to the numbers" skits

[@rimurutempest4945]

I’m really so glad you made a Kill Count for Hellraiser. Like man, Cenobites just looks so iconic and memorable and so goddamn disturbing. But man, it felt like they had no idea where to take the story after the first few movies, which is pretty unfortunate.

[@drpibisback7680]

Not only that, but at least one of the sequels is the only example I know of where a movie was made purely to maintain control the rights.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Honestly I think and like many fans think the first 4 Hellraisers are the only ones that are canon.

[@CryloBen]

Thats because after the first few movies, they werent Hellraiser films. They were other films the studio just THREW the cenobites and shit into. The second to last film, I think its Revelations? Was literally only done so they could maintain the rights for the series.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

@@mysteryjunkie9808 Sounds like a good move.

[@pond0479]

Dimension really loved crapping out straight to DVD horror sequels. On top of hellraiser there was Children of the corn, the crow sequels, and before H20 they wanted to make a straight to DVD Halloween.

[@anarxh3196]

"It was meant to look like a penis! What do you want?" Best quote of 2015

[@Mostly-Ghostly]

The reason chatter is a kid: before being a cenobite he was an abused child, one day he randomly came across the box and decided to play with it, when he opened it he was obviously dragged to hell, rather than torture the poor boy leviathan decided to make him a cenobite, he later became the right hand man of Pinhead and Leviathan, being one of the highest ranked cenobites

[@premiumcache6184]

aww

[@invidatauro8922]

@@premiumcache6184 Good reminder the cenobites aren't evil, simply those who want to share with you the ultimate forms of pain and pleasure~~~~

[@guacotaco4349]

Is this cannon or a theory

[@guacotaco4349]

@@invidatauro8922 I'm not saying they are evil but aren't they just tortured to the point they lose themselves

[@bigpigeon2384]

@@guacotaco4349 canon but way more fucked up than it seems here

[@TonyLehane]

I like to think of Hellbound as the Dream Warriors of Hellraiser. Best sequel that moves the plot forward while expanding the universe. Plus Kristin helping a young patient with a gift? It’s like partly the same movie lol.

[@crows_are_superior4464]

I love how, while he strived for the movie to stay true to it’s source material’s intentions, he wasn’t afraid to change things, or let other people influence the movie.

[@Youspoonybard1]

This is a AMAZING sequel. It’s rare that I love a 2nd film as much as the first, but my god this is one of the few. Once again a reminder that Doug Bradley is an amazing man and if you look him up, he has a YT where he reads to you! And of course, we simp for shower James. Amazing as always my friend!

[@zehkiel8018]

I get the sense that "drawn not by hands but by desire" is more of a matter of a quick psychic compatibility test, a desire to experience and learn, even at great personal cost. Kirsty didn't know or want to be in hell when she first called them, but she's fit for the place. So much so that in the comics she becomes a cenobite equal to PH.

[@overgme]

I always just kind of fanwanked it that Kirsty really wanted to escape the hospital (or wherever she was, was it a police station?) in the first one, and that was the "desire" that summoned the Cenobites.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Yeah and Tiffany is implied to be mentally challenged in some way too maybe they couldn’t take such innocence

[@zehkiel8018]

@@overgme Nah, that's not it. In the first one she was just in a mildly uncomfortable position of her dad having remarried to a frigid bitch. But she didn't hate her so much it could call the cenobites. Even so, they are masters of the carnal experience, of desires of the flesh. Not just sexual like it implies, but any sensation. So odds are Kirsty is a massive thrill seeker in some way.

[@zehkiel8018]

@@mysteryjunkie9808 That's how I read it. My only guess is that the doctor's desire was somehow intense enough to have it open? Or maybe his role in having freed a flesh monster that was willingly serving Leviathan, unlike Frank?

[@thegrimcritic5494]

The INSTANT you said it was as good as the original film, I IMMEDIATELY stopped the video and went to watch it. Now I’ve come back and in all complete honesty, as a massive fan of Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror, I think I like this movie A WHOLE LOT MORE than the original. The imagery of the Leviathan as a massive eldritch trapezoid spewing out blacklight like a cosmic lighthouse, over the infinite sprawl of its Labyrinth took my breath away. Also, Julia serves as a much more interesting and intimidating villain in this movie than Frank did in the original. The special effects were just as good if not better, the acting was MUCH better, and the overall pacing and narrative of the film as a whole always kept me engaged. Thanks for recommending this movie! Gonna rewatch it now!

[@destinyfaulkner3941]

kirsty is underrated as a final girl. she’s fantastic!

[@destinyfaulkner3941]

@@shaunhayes3072 i know what underrated means, thank you. i don’t see her talked about nearly as much as other final girls so i still stand by my statement

[@iCeddybear94]

@@shaunhayes3072 she’s not as well known as Nancy or Laurie, but she’s still a great final girl and can hold her weight, hence underrated

[@Joy-zp3bt]

Seriously! Wearing your damned (to hell) mother in laws skin as a suit to save some girl. METAL AS HELL

[@SSR6464]

She’s great to look at too 😅 underrated beauty

[@GaunteroDimmm]

Having the “lord of the labyrinth” as a weird shape emitting darkness instead of a humanoid figure was infinitely more terrifying to me when I first saw it.

[@McBean1331]

I am so very sorry.

[@thegreyharbinger]

So I do feel the need to say that the Cenobites are awesome and I love how much they have in common from the God Hand in Berserk. They all make for some crazy brilliant antagonists.

[@Falxifer95]

My headcanon about why the Cenobites didn't take Tiffany when she solved the Box was because she was asked to solve it, Kirsty on the other hand opened the Box of her own volition, since curiosity is a desire to know.

[@singletona082]

The Boom comics show an abused child solving the box. Pinhead halts the others from taking her because he could tell she had no idea what the fuck, there was no hunger in there for knowledge or curiosity, just straight up confusion. So they kill her abusive dad instead.

[@Falxifer95]

@@singletona082 exactly, they aren't called the "Guardians of Desire" for nothing.

[@ryanconey1297]

I think Hellraiser 1 and 2 are the best of the series.for obvious reasons like the practical effects,the story, the characters and just the gore in general, it's amazing.

[@sdm47]

I can clear up that “desire” thing Tiffany was tricked where as Kirsty made the decision on her own

[@Juddernaut89]

i think Kirsty had her own desires, which is why the Cenobites came to her the first time she opened the box, the young girl however was too innocent in her mental state but the cenobites still came due to Chanard and julias desire. I also always assumed Frank was Kirsty's actual father, it seemed Frank had a habit of banging his brothers wives. it really makes the "Come to Daddy" line and his lust after her all the more awkward.

[@moonooze6171]

I never even thought that Frank might be Kirsty's dad. I feel like such a fool!

[@desireemacdonald1813]

I never thought of that! That makes sense. Totally sick , but it would make sense for Frank to be her father.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Holy shit the daddy comment hits different

[@vlada131]

Isn't Frank too young to be Kirsty's father? NIce idea, though. Never occurred to me.

[@desireemacdonald1813]

@@vlada131 That is a good point. Realizing that I’m not sure the theory holds up based on the films or book,The Hellbound Heart. I remember thinking that she was portrayed as older in the book vs the films. Could be wrong but I thought mid- late twenties maybe? I don’t remember if the book specified , but her character seemed more mature than in the movie. I’m not sure on Frank’s age in the book but maybe mid-late thirties. Ashley Laurence was 21 when the first Hellraiser was released. Sean Chapman was only 26. I’m surprised Clive Barker didn’t “go there”. It’s not like he hasn’t written more disturbing stuff…Oh well. It would have added an extra layer to the already disturbing story.

[@rockvocalismhd9592]

Laying in hospital with a catheter in my chest helping my collapsed lung. Thanks for posting this and giving me some joy! Love the videos as always.

[@DeadMeat]

Oh no! Hope you have a full recovery!

[@rockvocalismhd9592]

Thanks! Still in ER but should be able to get out tonight. Maybe have to binge some older kill counts once I'm home.

[@BrunoHartmann-]

@@rockvocalismhd9592 hey man old comment but how you doing now champ? Everything alright?

[@Azathoth343]

​@@rockvocalismhd9592your are still here right?

[@rockvocalismhd9592]

Im still here! Living with a roommate just enjoying life and still watching every new kill count

[@neosgundam2584]

I still would love to see the Leviathan original form. A massive eldtrich horror of ooze and gore would be so cool.

[@marley7868]

if I had to guess given the elaborate lies strange rules and outright calling it hell I think we can bet fairly safley on a serapham angel

[@Apocalypse21187]

My thoughts on "It's not hands that summon us" - Kirsty picked the box up and solved it without knowing what it did - so they came for her, Tiffany was given the box by someone who wanted it solved - so they came for Channard

[@TheSlammurai]

Right. The way it was worded made it seem that they came because of the desire to summon the box, but they realized that the desire didn't come from Tiffany.

[@Snoop1000Skins]

That scene at the beginning that brings Julia back is so memorable in its brutality. The leeches and maggots are awful, the psychological horror of this doctor torturing his own patient and the bugs trapped beneath the straightjacket, and the visceral sight of him cutting the bugs away with the razor… it really stuck with me.

[@devinjez5266]

The background decor for this franchise looks awesome! I've been looking forward to Hellraiser Kill Counts for so long, and the payoff has been great. Thanks to the Dead Meat team for doing such great justice to one of my favorite franchises!

[@oliversmith9231]

“So much of this movie is these two ladies running down Hell’s hallways, what is this? An episode of Doctor Who?” My favourite Dead Meat reference ever!

[@timpalm3564]

4:55 this reference to the Beatles is why I love James. Man his comments are an extra,which makes these videos better then others.

[@Dbridges415]

He also did a 2nd Beatles reference at 8:43.

[@foreverlondon22]

nobody: james: “CENO-FIGHTTT” me: “shit just got real…” 😂

[@zachiswayposi1]

*air horn intensifies*

[@tomseville2345]

It was called that in the chapter listings of the early DVD releases.

[@michaelsinger4638]

I love the part where Pinhead saves Tiffany. It shows that the Cenobites are strictly speaking “good or bad” in the traditional sense. And it makes them more interesting. Sadly the films after this forgot that.

[@overgme]

Demons to some, angels to others.

[@SilverWolf442]

Agreed. They ping-pong around. A LOT. In 3 and 4 Pinhead was demoted to a slasher. I think his characterization was better in 5 in that he wasn't just a Freddy Krueger wannabe, but it was still totally off for what the first 2 films established. In Inferno, he's some reaper of wayward souls (haha😜) and punishing the main character for his wickedness & consumption of the flesh. We can all understand why that characterization is off but I arguably find it better than what the previous 2 films did. And actually enjoyed the film more than the previous 2. Hellseeker is often said to be a proper execution of Inferno with an accurate portrayal of Pinhead. But I haven't watched that one in full to really give depthful opinion. Everything after that, I think, were totally different films that got turned into Hellraiser movies, so explains why those were a mess. Though I think Inferno was the same, but it's a guilty pleasure.

[@TheSlammurai]

@@SilverWolf442 I've always preferred Pinhead as a punisher of evil like in Hellraiser Inferno over Pinhead as a slasher villain. It makes him unique from other icons of horror who kills indiscriminately like he became in Hellraiser 3.

[@TheyfoundRickGrimes]

Exactly!! And in the first film when they catch up with Frank and rip him apart, Pinhead says to Kirsty ‘this is not for your eyes …’ he had rules. But that changes in the third film - that’s why i did nt watch any others after 👿

[@purpleYamask]

I always love to hear that a first-time director was able to get through things because of a supportive cast and crew.

[@dewdropinn17]

I was so disappointed that vibrating guy easily killed Pinhead.

[@andrewhansen7690]

Watching Spencer get cenobited the first time I saw this movie as a 12 year old really cemented horror as my favorite genre

[@nolilado5452]

The Pillar of Souls. Ah yes. And that line. "What is your pleasure sir?" My most favorite and memorable movie line.

[@systemshocker2875]

10:28 Thats basically Pinhead's way of saying to Channard "Did you really think we were that stupid?"

[@michacieslak2346]

I'd say that in the first movie Kirsty was kind of... curious of The Box, so when she solves it, it is because of some feelings? It's a stretch, but, I'm trying to find any logic. Like... you know - curiosity is the first step to Hell. Tiffany, on the other hand, didn't have any feelings towards it. She just likes puzzles and she was tricked/forced to solving Lament Configuration, so... yeah, I'd say with a bit of stretch, there's some logic ;)

[@NitPickz]

According to some lore I found, the box can tempt people and the Cenobites do go after folks who have some temptation.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

I think Kirsty had a desire to understand the box’s significance to Frank. That combined with the fact she did it herself was enough for the cenobites. I personally like that Pinhead has a moral code about these things, it makes him way more complex than the average slasher.

[@KidFresh71]

"Mirror had it comin'." The low-key one-liners from James are the best!

[@Rainbow_Matrix]

9:16 That is one of the most goddamn metal lines I have ever heard in a horror movie.

[@burble6536]

This feels more like an old Kill Count video than a new one and I like it!!

[@DeadMeat]

Interesting! How so?

[@burble6536]

@@DeadMeat idk man the way you were talking and how fast you were going through everything felt like an old dead meat video, and I would know since I'm always binging your content!

[@Goremasterhelsing]

10:33 for anyone wondering whe pinhead said desiree she ment Julia and channard because Tiffany didnt knew what would happen god bless You james

[@devinthorn8182]

Kristy still had curiosity and wanted answers, that’s why she was still held accountable. Whereas this girl was straight tricked and would never have solved the LC if not for the doctor. That and she clearly does not have all her faculties in order, and Pinhead does seem to be somewhat honorable and follows a moral code

[@liamball4643]

The original book and the comics make it abundantly clear that while the Cenobites are absolutely the evil torture demons they seem to be in the movies, they follow an *extremely* strict, pseudo-religious dogma not only set out by Leviathan as a means to sidestep the cosmic safeguards that keep demons from spilling into the land of the living (think DOOM: Eternal, but with more fetish gear and fish hooks), but also partially written by an unnamed but high ranking Angel (hinted to maybe be St. Peter) to keep Leviathan appeased and contained in its own realm. The Cenobites, on a deep, almost subconscious level, fully understand both sides of this and follow the cosmic rules as best they can - with one of the comic's plotlines actually having Cenobites squaring up with renegades of their own kind who think Leviathan's laws are bullshit, while *another* plotline shows them instead fighting off demons from another realm in hell (who look/function VERY differently from Cenobites by the way) trying to kick off the aforementioned DOOM: Eternal scenario. tl;dr - Cenobites who are actually inclined to doing their jobs are a perfect example of Lawful Evil

[@compatriot852]

Its only a matter of time until James opens the lament configuration and releases a Thankskilling 3 kill count

[@michaelkiyoshi98]

13:29 this right here must’ve inspired creator Kentaro Miura of the manga series Berserk. This looks exactly like when the Count summons the godhand in his castle and it becomes a twisted labyrinth of stairs and corridors

[@haydenschimborski5450]

Thanks for being so incredibly awesome James. It’s obvious that you’re a genuine good dude and you’ve quickly become one of my favorite KZbinrs and therefore, favorite people.

[@brockashton1717]

The KILL COUNT is the only time I'm genuinely excited to see a sponsorship segment 😊

[@BoogDude14]

First time I watched this I was in hysterics twice. First on the section where Channard is walking through the basement and looking at the patients through the peep holes, and theres a weird priest who screams in a really intense but absolutely hilarious way! Then, just Dr Channards laugh and scream made me literally cry with laughter

[@ChrisShwafer]

You should do a Circle kill count!!

[@theghostofyankeejim]

I think if you wanna submit suggestions you gotta send an email to James (I think it’s in the description). James doesn’t accept suggestions from comments anymore because of how hard they are to find and the sheer volume of them. As a side note I’m gonna put Circles on my watchlist thanks to this recommendation. Never heard of it before but I like the premise

[@tetoterritory]

WAIT WHAT THE SH- I’ve never seen another osc member on this channel I’m being serious-

[@orang9134]

@@tetoterritory Why do people put - in their comments nobody is cutting you off

[@sohighyoulldie]

@@orang9134 let them type how they want, stop nitpicking comments.

[@DanielRodriguez-gs2xj]

@@theghostofyankeejim Circle is really good, if you liked the Cube movies you'll really enjoy Circle. Same kind of suspenseful horror mystery.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

Haven't seen this movie but I love how it kind of echoes the same look described in Harlan Ellison's "I have no mouth, and I must scream" through its depiction of eternal torture and damnation through different means, the labyrinth being one. It seems like something the AI in Ellison's book would dream up just to torture his victims, great music too.

[@thelostmemory7980]

21:42 It always catches me so off guard when James makes Sea of Thieves references, but it always puts a big smile on my face

[@Heyimconnor]

15:13 has probably my favorite behind the scenes clip, next to the “you’re gonna sculpt a butt” from Society

[@axelnilsson5124]

“I was in that... shunting scene”

[@TakumiTheFAUSTScientist]

Ok i swear to god, James' Sponsorship segment keeps *GETTING BETTER AND BETTER* Lmao

[@owyemen9367]

I'm not gay buuut

[@xxbonecrusher7166]

@@owyemen9367 lol

[@Nether2342]

This is one of my favorite horror movies. I love the first Hellraiser, as well but that movie has some odd pacing that makes it feel a bit awkward at times, like it couldn’t tell if it was a family drama with bdsm demons or a bdsm demon horror movie with family drama. Hellraiser 2 feels much tighter, more sure of itself, and more sure of what it wants to be to me.

[@overgme]

I've always been a big fan of the camera work during Kirsty's first run-in with the cenobites in this one. Slowly rotating the camera upside down, when showing the cenobites in front of a black background is just . . . perfectly disorienting and disconcerting.

[@ViviGayming]

I think "That should cut down on make-up costs" is my favorite Dead Meat joke from recent memory haha

[@MrInstinctGamer]

My headcanon is that the "it's not hands that call us, it's desire" is in reference to the doctor who wanted to see the puzzle solved, she was merely the tool, the hands that solved the box but it wasn't her desire that to lead her solving it. And just probably returns because they can only choose to go after the puzzle solver. But don't have to

[@IsaacClodfelter]

Imagine the universe where Yugi found the lament configuration instead of the millennium puzzle.

[@BroomPusher2024]

Junji Ito: (Vibes in the Shadow Realm)

[@cloudnein8114]

@@BroomPusher2024 cringe weeb

[@evr0b]

@@cloudnein8114you mad?

[@RepressedJoker]

@@cloudnein8114 let people enjoy things

[@alphabettispaghetti3805]

Damn Yami bakura gonna have to fight pinhead for who gets to torture people

[@mattway18]

There’s actually a Hell for Hell. You’re being tortured, like you usually would be, but you’re also watching TMZ.

[@sidnew2739]

What's TMZ?

[@requiescantenpace]

Is. Is that a reference to nostalgia critic's review of spawn?

[@xxprototypexx5056]

When Pinhead was talking about desire, he was meaning free will. The kid was forced to solve the box, she didn't choose to solve it of her own free will. Christy while she didn't want to summon the cenobite, did infact choose of her own free will to solve the box.

[@brunoaraujo2397]

I was so happy when I found out that Doug Bradley has a youtube channel. He is truly an amazing person and actor

[@ScarlettaAgni]

I'm not too sure how to feel about the Cenobites believing they're immortals from time immemorial but it's actually manipulation from Leviathan. I always assumed that while the Cenobites were formerly human at fixed points in normal Earth time, when they go to Hell they can essentially spend eons there being tortured and pleasured and eventually transformed into Cenobites, but when they return to Earth, it can occur at any point in time. They can reappear as if they were gone for only a year, but had spent what they would have measured as ages while they were away. Basically, Hell being a pocket dimension where time moves differently, and solving the Lament Configuration at any chronological point on Earth summons the Cenobites like time travel. So that yes, Pinhead WAS some WWI soldier, but it is also NOT INCORRECT to say he is also thousands of years old as he believed. That's how I prefer to see them. I also don't think they can be killed, especially in their own domain of Hell, because the torture would have gotten to them first as ordinary humans before they became powerful otherworldly beings, so it's weird for them to die NOW at all times or states of being. It was pretty neat to see their human forms, though.

[@NitPickz]

This is a REALLY mixed bag for me. It definitely feels more like the original than the other sequels, but there are plenty of moments and logic leaps that really bug me. And I'm REALLY not a fan of how easily the Cenobites are taken out. But, with that said, Clive Barker does have a point with these movies being uneven.

[@theandychrist2599]

He sent chains at him, after that he is all out of moves and they all die at once. A bit very disappointing that your big bad epic mob goes out like that.

[@viagrabuffalo5141]

My main gripes with this movie is: shitty ceno-fight, idiot characters, and chatterer’s stupid ugly face change.

[@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831]

I think the in world reason the ceno-fight sucked was because of budget. In universe? They were demons. Were they stronger than the average human? Yes. But butterball was defeated by a roof in the first movie. They act high and mighty, but it’s all a show. All they have is some chains and spinning pillers. They’re no match for this mega-cenobite, he has more effective chains, more armour, he’s smarter, he was also directly connected to the boss, so he was constantly getting more power. That’s my take on it.

[@chadiyoob155]

“And to think I hesitated” such a great line

[@aaronorchard]

Yo James, this is sick!! I remember back when I subbed when I first saw your channel, you only had the first two Friday the 13th kill counts on your channel. I'm a huge fan of a lot of these horror movies, some of my most important memories are of me and my grandpa watching child's play, alien, nightmare on elm Street, the thing, the mist, terminator, halloween, and of course Friday the 13th. We always watched one of these together any time I got kicked out of the house by my dad, and he decided I wasn't enough of a lost cause to let me stay on the street. Because of him, I always had a place to go and a moral compass to guide me through life, hell he was even someone that lead me to bettering my relationship with my dad. So needless to say, these movies mean a lot to me. Thanks for the memories James, love this channel a ton. It always gives me something to look forward to every Friday.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

Maybe it was simply too subtle for me but the thing I really appreciated in the Hellraiser reboot is the expansion of the lore and what the different configurations represent. That stuff was great and I really hope they keep the series going because I very much enjoyed it.

[@Werewolf914]

I was watching an interview with Doug Bradley a few days ago and he said on set the nickname for the female Cenobite was Deepthroat which is why she's the only one who doesn't get credited by her nickname in any of the movies because people would be pissed off by the name. Which I don't know with all the sex and gore in Hellraiser I don't know if naming a Woman Deepthroat would get them in that much trouble, either way it's pretty funny.

[@glazeal139]

everyone here is a g. i love you James and Chelsea I’ve been watching y’all since the first kill count it helped me get through my parents divorce and high school

[@ryanconey1297]

Hope you're doing good now, stay strong❤️

[@Fitchy-ke3wz]

I love how creative Frank's punishment is. Its obviously a bit grim and gratuitous yet its so cool. The one think he wants is always so close yet hell tortures him with it by keeping it away from him. Rejigging it to make it a lot less.... hellraiser... would prove to be a great device in other media.