Heritage Not Hate: Interview w/ Defenders of the Confederate Cross founder, Joshua Lee Gilmer

The Confederate battle flag was raised over the South Carolina capitol dome in 1962 as a symbol of defiance of the Civil Rights movement. In 2002, a compromise in the state legislature moved the flag to a Confederate war memorial in front of the dome, with the United States flag and the South Carolina state flag replacing the Confederate flag atop the dome.
In the wake of the June 17, 2015 massacre at the Mother Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, SC, lawmakers including both US Senators and the governor of the state (all Republicans) asked the legislature to vote to remove the flag from state grounds as a symbol of healing, unity and inclusion.
On June 27, 2015, Joshua Lee Gilmer, founder of the Defenders of the Confederate Cross called for a rally in support of keeping the flag where it is.
Eric Byler of Story of America interviewed him as the rally was beginning.
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[@bigehoward8338]

As a black man I want to say I respect him and appreciate him opening up on the topic sharing even his family personal views even when it was not popular even admitted his grandparents use of the n work. I don't agree with everything he said but he is sound and very respectful and that's all I need from you brother good luck to you and let's keep working together to make this country we share the best we can. ✊🏾

[@dontellbenjamin417]

You ain’t black. Shut up lol

[@samriwelkeish7981]

Dontell Benjamin 💀

[@anthonyhenry9830]

I dont care what he is saying I have no concern at all for his sick ass flag or his heritage. These people are racist and they dont respect black or any other race other than white people

[@bigehoward8338]

Anthony Henry And like I said I do not agree with everything he says and he was ask a question and he answered it. His ideals are his own and he was not rude and full of hate. That said if he hurt your feelings sorry but he is peacefully protecting and has freedom of speech and said if the people don’t want it white or black he fine with putting it away. He an’t my best friend so watch your tone and don’t let him spook u cuz he ant fazing me.

[@ethanabelman2837]

Anthony Henry he didn’t admit to being racist

[@marcuswaller2193]

I oppose the confederate flag but think this man is a reasonable man.

[@whocares5188]

Because you are a god dam Yankee and I would be shocked if you didn't.

[@pato2200]

Brutus and cassius too are honourable men...

[@whocares5188]

@@cld-lol have you tracked your blood line down? Maybe you have southern blood running in you.

[@bothirst]

I think that the basis of his argument is simply built on lies.... The Civil War was definitely about slavery. Follow the money. Free labor made it possible for cotton and tobacco to be so lucrative.

[@whocares5188]

@@cld-lol the north sold us the slaves. We was starting to be a power house. Once the north seen this they wanted it stopped.

[@hockeymaskwhatever2750]

The thing I hate is people comparing the flag to the swastika

[@jashonpogue2551]

Same thing

[@CeicelRockMonster]

Perhaps that’s because it essentially is the same thing.

[@70sfred1]

This guy is right on the money! He is not for racism, but Southern heritage and pride!

[@kiontemims8906]

We all sit in the same room but yet have different views that doesn’t make it wrong because you view something different . It just means you see it the way you see it because that’s where you sit and view in the room . Love not hate ! ✊🏾💯💜

[@abc68130]

How do I love someone that things owning black people as property is so great it's worth killing hundreds of thousands of people over? How do I love someone who thinks someone who did that is worth deifying?

[@joecoto2741]

I'm Mexican,American and I'm a fond believer of History mine and ours here . Do to that flag people who fought in it died for a purpose on both sides and a flag or a statuet don't make who we really are!! Let it Fly it's still a Free Country...

[@JudasBenPesach]

Current American education system lies about the cause of the American Civil War. The ending of slavery was a complete afterthought which originally only applied to blacks living in the south.

[@mrsbee2you688]

If more people in the U.S.A. were capable of being as even minded as this man our country would not be in the chaos it is in nor would the POC have as much to fear.

[@phillipsturgill]

Well said madam..well said.

[@bertswannee1476]

Someone still needs to explain heritage not hate.

[@lisalassetter62]

"Heritage not Hate" is better than Supremacy don't you think? To most Heritage is very important.

​@Garrison Nichols That isn't true in 99% of the cases. In instances of education, artistic expression, journalism, and scientific context there are no limitations upon it. There are likewise no limitations upon the National Socialist flag whilst in private. The point of the law is to prevent insurrection, which are ruled as anti-constitutional. Three year sentences are the maximum sentences and reserved for rare cases that typically involve a targeted violent crime. IE, shouting "Heil Hitler," and assaulting a Jew. The same is true of ISIS iconography and the Communist Party of Germany. The Soviet flag isn't banned, as far as I'm aware. The consequence in rare instances in which a court rules that the act was in breach of 86a is typically a 100 Euro fine, not jail time. Most violations are met with about a 100 Euro fine. Regardless, is this the evidence that Europe isn't free? Because Germany has some modest anti-insurrection laws?

[@matthewjahnke4953]

Good luck in that.

[@alienwarex51i3]

@@lisalassetter62 Heritage not hate? Heritage _of_ hate, to be more accurate.

[@georgiafain3747]

@@lisalassetter62 Heritage of murder , the raping of children, pedophilia.

[@greenboyatgafarms2250]

American's are American's not African Americans or any thing else

[@joedavis8481]

Absolutely...African is a nationality not a race ....Charlize Theron is an African American actress as she was born in south Africa and is now an American citizen. I am an American with German/Irish ancestors.. born and raised right here

[@IrontoughItalian]

No... The confederate flag should stay. It's part of American history and it's not right to take people's history away. Fight for what you believe

[@alajahsessoms1885]

History. You can be on the good side of history, or the bad, but you can never justify Injustice..

[@briancullinan6855]

Sorry, but in this case there is definitely a right and wrong that we-- the people of today's society-- get to adjudicate. Slavery was wrong. The defense of slavery well after most States of the United States had seen the light and abolished slavery was wrong. The Confederacy was born out of the desire to protect and expand slavery even beyond that. We need not defend them any more than we would defend out ancestors that committed human sacrifice or child rape-- both are a part of our human "heritage" too. Yet we somehow feel that we can't make the same moral judgement we make on the people who committed those acts on our ancestor that engaged in or enabled slavery. Why? (hint: because racism is still alive and well and colors our thought process on that).

[@emekaamerican863]

There is no such thing as the good side or bad side of history because everyone doesn't share the same view.

[@emekaamerican863]

@@briancullinan6855 people change overtime. Racism is alive in people's minds and people of all ethnicities will be trapped in the darkness of racism maybe until the human race dies of because people hold on to the past and never move onto the future. Most humans will never get a long because of differences. I use to believe in everything that you are saying but I no longer can relate to it.

[@wiardikijne5158]

Both of you are actually partly right. History is written by victors. The south had slaves, i believe some of the north did as well. Slavery is not believed to be the main cause of the civil war. The south wanted to keep slaves. However, the North isn't pure good as divisions of the Union army committed heinous crimes. Neither is everyone of the southern side bad. The slave topic seems to give the North the moral high ground, but you can't ignore individual reasoning.

[@HawkAnomaly]

@@wiardikijne5158 id argue most of the north had slavery like the south did. the biggest tragedy about history is that people believe that the north was inherently against slavery at that time. its been proven that if they could get the south to reunite early on before the civil war then slavery had a good chance of being abolished far closer to todays time frame than it did back then. Abe lincoln wasnt even against slavery and was definitely racist. he only did what he did to help fight against the south.

[@sonnicajones3414]

This gentleman in this interview is so kind.

[@mejhon6592]

Because he is scare black if it was a latino or indigenous he will not talk like that. Because they know that indigenous and latinos are scare

[@D4L_457]

Really where?

[@FunnKatzz]

Who's here after Mississippi got rid of the flag

[@ManuelGuzman067]

Dont think its for long .could bring it back

[@spiko-ou3bp]

@@ManuelGuzman067 I hope so

[@alienwarex51i3]

@@spiko-ou3bp Why the fuck would you want them to bring it back? A confederate battle flag out of Virginia on a United States state flag?

[@Stiglr]

So, this guy will agree, on camera that "slavery is wrong" and "racism is wrong" ... but he somehow can't make the cognitive (and historically proven) leap that the Confederate Stars and Bars is a leading symbol of slavery and racism, by way of starting as a flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and then becoming pretty much a symbol of the entire Confederacy. You need only read the first few sentences of the secession papers of each of the 13 CSA states to see what the "real" reason was behind the Civil War, and why the CSA was (still)born in the first place. And this is in THEIR words, not an "interpretation" of it by outsiders. And while he says only 6% of the CSA soldiers were slave-owners, that only proves that the rich, plantation-owning slavers simply managed to convince the poorer people to fight against their own self-interest... much like Trump has managed to do today to get people to VOTE against their own self-interest... and other politicians have also managed to do. They can claim that "they weren't involved" with slavery all they want... but then, why do they continue to uphold this symbol of slavery into the 21st Century? One last thing... if South Carolinians and other southerners are so concerned with their "heritage"... why is it they cannot find another symbol... *any other symbol* that represents the South, and ALL it's people in a positive way ... that has no ties to secession, slavery and bigotry? They can't find ANY other symbol to rally behind that is unmistakably NOT about slavery and the Civil War? That is ... telling.

[@ohyeahthatsright3155]

So if I find something offensive, you will remove it?

[@loudpack8319]

@@ohyeahthatsright3155 if it involved something grotesque like lynching or slavery then yes.

[@fazbell]

I was born in the south, raised in the south and I STILL do not want to see Confederate flags displayed.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

Thats your business. If these men want to fly their flag, they have every right. I myself, was born in NC and raised in SC. I never flew the rebel flag, but in light of recent events, ive decided to order one, I won't let cry-bullies and woketevist tell me where the limits on my freedom of expression are, or that I (a brown guy) am racist for doing it.

[@thenewstuff3377]

@@snakey934Snakeybakey fly it proudly and don't worry about crybabies or whiners who brag about the 'supreme ass whooping' that they administered by starving and slaughtering us. And Sherman was a legless, pissed off crybaby who burned Atlanta for his own personal reasons and fear of the South. Don't believe their dark history. To the victor goes the spoils. They wrote our history for us. They were all criminals and scalawags who were jealous of our progress. 4th largest economy in the world in 1860.

[@BrianLee-qw7vc]

Hebrew.

[@camcore.i0]

@@thenewstuff3377 yes we were jealous of your progress. enslaved people isnt something thats progressive.

[@theradgegadgie6352]

I'm English, so I don't have a horse in this race, BUT I am a former ACW re-enactor, and I am, by and large, very pro-American, so I appreciate the history very much. I'm glad the Union won and I'm completely certain it had the moral right with both emancipation and the defence of the it's own wholeness. The flag doesn't offend me personally, but I do understand why it might others. If this were about banning the flag, I would agree with the protest, but it isn't. It's about taking it off a local government building. Replace it there with Old Glory. Keep it in historical contexts and education about history. Fly the flag that won, on government buildings.

[@CarlosMartinez-rf2uq]

If only everyone would think the way he does in that state

[@henrycopelandiii4367]

The flag has been used as a symbol of hate after that we cant just think of it as not. It literally used to be a flag for a racist political party. You cant just pretend that never happened if u want heritage just make another flag because that flags history can never just disappear.

[@faraaseq4645]

@@henrycopelandiii4367 It was battle flag not a slavery flag if you do quick lesson you actually know that confederate is a battle flag, the white racist people took the flag and messed it up and now everybody thinks its racist but it was really just used as a battle flag.

[@henrycopelandiii4367]

@@faraaseq4645 a battle flag for racist

[@faraaseq4645]

@@henrycopelandiii4367 No it the battle flag was for independence for the country and its land most southern books in that era in the war never really talked about slavery yes there was slavery but that was 2 % of the population just because it was hard kind of get rich in America in 1800's

[@MrLange256]

This is a guy anybody should be able to talk to

[@macmiller1678]

That guy was pretty reasonable lol I was ready to argue against whatever he said but he’s literally out protesting for what he believes in and he said he’d abide by the vote which ever way it goes lol sounds fair to me.

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@macmiller1678 But the flag is a symbol for slavery. The confederacy was created to fight against the abolishment of slavery, anyone that agrees with that flag agrees for with what the confederacy was fighting for which was to keep black people slaves. You can't argue for that flag without also arguing for slavery. This guy is calm yes but what he believes in is hate..

[@macmiller1678]

Elliott Davis bro sorry you’re wrong. Also learn to spell *secession before you try to argue what it was about. You can read each states declarations of secession from the 1860s. Mississippi word for word said “our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.” William T. Thompson the man who designed the confederate flag called it “the white mans flag” he said they were fighting to maintain the supremacy of the white man over the inferior colored race.

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@Treestandtroubadour There were other small things but slavery was the bulk of it. If the North was not threatening to abolish slavery there would have never been a confederacy or a civil war. I understand those were his ancestors, but his ancestors were fighting for a demonic cause. Trying to argue for the Confederate flag is like a person of German descent arguing for the Nazi's flag. Evil is evil period. If this guy was a decent human being he would be trying to distance himself from the evil his ancestors fought for, not fighting to preserve its legacy ..

[@macmiller1678]

Marlow Stanfield you’re correct about why the flag was designed idk if you can say anyone that agrees with or waves that flag agrees with slavery. There are people out there who are just ignorant and know nothing about the civil war. I hate that flag I think it’s stupid af when people wave it around, they are either racist or ignorant or both. The reason I said the man in the video is reasonable is because he said he would abide by the vote so that means if everyone votes to remove the flag then he would not fight against it coming down.

[@tobyoneil1969]

What i love about this is how standard it is. They interviewer just wants to know. Alot of the times this happens they will try to box people in and attack them, make them say the only answer possible, which annoys the people who feel the same way, thus causing further divides. Good job on who conducted this.

[@timmystevenssr.timbuck1966]

ABSOLUTELY I agree with you very nice civilized interview. Very intelligent people having a very intelligent conversation about something worth talking about.

[@raye7961]

There is nothing wrong with the flag.

[@Serbian1985]

Im from Serbia Europe, moved to Texas 15 years ago and i fly the Confederate flag proudly, its a beautiful flag one of most beautiful in world, it stands for southern pride and heritage, and for me it has nothing to do with racism but for me its symbol against the system, of corrupt US government who actually through history invaded and overthrown other governments and took their resources, I love the confederate flag

[@mariajesusortega3506]

Your wrong that's the ugliest flag in the world

[@JohnRebCSA]

@@mariajesusortega3506 your opinion dont matter yankee

[@haatpraat3100]

If you are from Serbia then you probably have a European Balkan mindset that is nothing short of tribal hate, just like the white racists of the southern USA. When I say hate, I guess you have no love for Croats.

[@anonz]

@@haatpraat3100 that's the most racist thing I have read all day

[@KarlUrbahn]

The Confederate flag is a symbol of treason and racism. The Confederate founders made it abundantly clear that they wanted to secede so that slavery and white supremacy would be kept intact.

[@Gortychew]

I hate the KKK for dragging this flag threw the mud. What a beautiful flag

[@Extremefighters]

I assume you're American? If so, than I have to tell you that even without the KKK, this flag is anything but beautiful, not only does it represent a nation that wanted slavery around, but it also represents a flag of a Nation that took up arms against your own COUNTRY! The only two places this thing belongs in is the trash or a museum.

[@drakejdf]

It’s one of my favorite flags.

[@dmunz7015]

drakejdf What's your other favorite, the one with the swastika?

[@JMinuteman]

Michel Roque The flag represents the people who DIED fighting for what they believe in! And yet you wanna ban what symbolizes those people what symbolizes their heritage.

[@Gortychew]

Emperor Puyi people are ignorant

[@jamesthomas6965]

0:44 best point of the whole video!

[@rondallcallahan1750]

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLY YOUR FLAG ANYWHERE IN AMERICA !!!! JUST LIKE YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO. WORSHIP ANY WAY YOU WANT !!!!!!

[@jfgaxeworks3447]

It's a flag of traitors, and enemies of the US. Would you like it if your neighbors flew an Al Qaeda flag?

[@Israelite-iq1gd]

It should have been banned after the war.

No one claimed they do not have the right to wave their traitor-flags. A public building, however, must represent more than illiterate sister-fuckers.

[@thelankgod8073]

This guy is actually really likeable

[@mrsnakesmrnot8499]

There are many likable people who are dumb. Nice and cordial, but misinformed.

[@nickhill8612]

Much respect to red shirt for telling the truth instead of convenient bits and pieces.

[@Newwaver2007]

That guy has my support :) Good to hear some reasonable confederate flag waving guy. Instead of those loonies that often get shown on the regressive leftist media.

[@giuffre714]

It's a very nice democratic flag.

[@Newwaver2007]

Joe Giuffre lol!

[@giuffre714]

RebelWaver I take it you knew that. ; )

[@anthonymarshall2012]

RebelRocker I agree I was expecting a moronic idiot with "muh America" I just think they need to realize that you can't sperate that flag from its history and slavery and racism are part of that!

[@giuffre714]

Anthony Marshall In keeping with that line of thought, should they still call themselves Democrats?

[@ezmoney79]

If everybody would view the flag as he does then I don't see anything wrong with it as long as your not using it as a racist remark. This guy is likeable, and I don't think he's a racist

[@saudicomedyhomevideosksa8504]

aaron short The problem is that actual idiotic racists are waving the flag and tainting the reputation of the good people that wave it

[@freedomordeath89]

He's gullable and got tricked into believing bullshit.

[@TidBitWeary]

this dude said in another video is that "If you tote this flag. you don't deserve to breathe anymore." Me: there s nothing wrong with the Confederate flag History is History we learn and if you think that it is wrong you end up being against it all and start making other people against it then in the future your children will see this in a different way and protest to put all the statues back up and put up any Confederate flag up and let them fly and be free because well Heritage and I am proud to hold the Confederate flag and I am only 14 and I love history like it is my baby History is what holds other Historians together and before the civil war ended Ireland gave up because they knew it was gonna create a Conflict in the future and look here today people against each other again because of 1 flag.

[@camvick407]

Raised arms against America. We don't celebrate treason

[@TidBitWeary]

@@camvick407 if you think about it because you said raisd arms against America we don't celebrate treason yadda yadda yadda there is no problem with being a traitor if they were Confederate soldiers because well the United States of America and Confederate States of America or maybe you meant that Ireland were traitors because they fought for both sides or Canadian regiments fought for the Union something like that

[@MalcolmGardner-fl5no]

I am a black guy that totally support da conderfate flag all the way home and that is straight facts 💯💯💯💯

[@em4717]

the flag belongs in a museum not in public

[@greenman5555]

The KKK uses the US flag just as much as the CSA flag. Should the US flag be banned too. Under the US flag countless Native Americans were slaughtered for imperial "manifest destiny". What about their feelings about the US government and it's flag?

[@nessaroni22]

Thank you! Exactly!

[@Yorker1998]

Bullshit. The American flag does not stand for any of what you just mentioned and we are always evolving and bettering ourselves as a nation in accordance to the Constitution unlike what the CSA was doing. Now read the Cornerstone Speech and the CSA's Constitution. It is pro-white supremacy and slavery just like the KKK and like it or not, that is what the flag ultimately represents as not only is it in the speech and their constitution but also because they specifically fought to preserve those beliefs under that flag which they then lost. You can disagree all you want but you'd be disagreeing with the actual Confederates at the time who said so themselves what the beliefs and intentions were of the CSA.

[@samcarter2371]

They Use the US flag because it's our national flag, the question is, why do they associate so closely to the Confederate flag?

[@dexterjones8646]

Heritage? Why are you so proud of this flag. Why isn't the American one good enough ??

[@greenman5555]

Dexter Jones The Confederate flag IS an American flag.

[@dexterjones8646]

+Green Man Then why didn't we fly this in WW 2?

[@dexterjones8646]

+Alan Morris right, generally the side that loses a war doesn't get to put their flag on stuff. When in history has this ever been allowed?

[@dexterjones8646]

+Alan Morris Furthermore, when was the last time a confederate enthusiast ever did anything for me or this country?

[@StormsandSaugeye]

+Dexter Jones FYI, the Confederate flag was flown and used during WW2 by units which were predominantly from the south.

[@donalddorsey6271]

Heritages ! They only had the FLAG for 4 years .

[@haggan0664]

:|

[@XP3RTL3G3ND]

Remember the civil war was for states rights. Not slavery. Nothin at all to do with slavery. Not even a little. Oh wait, I have a brain. It was ALL about slavery.

[@HTTC4life1981]

The South whole economy and war effort was built off of slave labor smh

[@eova]

Yes the state’s rights to own people! 🤦

[@fountain855]

Lol, it's strange that he can regurgitate the history of the civil war etc, but cant remember why the flag was erected in 1962, because he wasnt born in that era. For Pete's sake

[@krissifaith6709]

Beats liberals who are arrogant and act like they know everything... lol. He was being honest and humble in his answer. *sigh*

[@spiritwings4592]

Oh my gosh please do a history lesson. The colors of the confederate flag stand for GOD CHRIST AND THE BLOOD OF CHRIST .. IT REPRESENTS GOD OUR FATHER AND JESUS OUR SAVIOR MORE THAN ANY OTHER FLAG. SO PLEASE JUST STOP AND GROW UP. HISTORY IS HISTORY LEAVE IT BE AND MOVE ON

[@khalilwhispers2218]

@@spiritwings4592 Wouldn't the actual Christian flag be a better representative. The preferred flag of white supremacists in Germany does not represent the Lord I worship.

[@whocares5188]

Who gives a dam we dont got to explain a God dam thing to no Yankees

[@whocares5188]

@@khalilwhispers2218 who gives dam what you think. So anything a racist group uses must go? Ok bye America flag.

[@RodneyRicks8]

This is a legit question, is the confederate flag not disrespectful to the US flag?

[@michaeldodson2697]

No, not as long as it is flown at a lower level if on a pole next to it. Or if it is on the same pole, it must be flown underneath.

[@Archangel0804]

It is a symbol of our Imperfect Nation and an imperfect past. But those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Therefore, it is important that our History be preserved and removing flags and Monuments are silly. In doing so, you are only denying future generations the ability to learn about our imperfections. Furthermore, removing those parts of history are NOT going to eradicate the scar...it will always be there and all people in this nation need to learn to heal

[@mymathmind]

@@Archangel0804 So to be clear. You believe that monuments that were put up for explicitly racist reason in the 1960s should be preserved as 'history'?

[@blunthonest1]

@@mymathmind And you personally know this how... were you there to see why they put those monuments up or someone else's interpretation?

[@mymathmind]

X I wasn’t there. You got me! Oh, some of the monuments have inscriptions that they were put up as a reminder of the supremacy of the white race. But that could totally be interpreted a number of ways I guess. Some were put up by kkk members or to celebrating kkk members at whites only events... but that could go either way too I guess. Seems racist to me though... Thoughts?

[@respeck.demetri]

Dude you can still fly the flag in your own yard.

[@jamesthompson1244]

Yes, display it anywhere except a place that my tax money pay for. I think people should display it so we know who you are. Identify youself!!

[@dannyc.jewell8788]

For now

[@mikescampfire1676]

james Thompson like a maga hat! Or a sheet for the KKK. Be loud and proud right lol.

[@WhiteManXRP]

@@mikescampfire1676 YOU LEFTWING CLUELESS JERKOFFS AINT GOT A CLUE WHATS COMIN

[@mikescampfire1676]

The Real Steve White golly gee what’s coming? Now that your dignity and self worth are gone and the only thing in your life is trump? What could you possibly bring? Lol. Your a pussy that’s trumps to grab is all you are.

[@linuswilliams5897]

Ummm.. I wonder why I dont see any blacks flying that flag🤔

[@kbuggy7224]

Facts

[@joedavis8481]

Watch the video again and pay attention

[@mgbl2808]

Sean Johnson there are some Black people who fly the confederate flag. I don’t understand why.

[@georgestokes5116]

why would you.

[@linuswilliams5897]

@@joedavis8481 I have been paying attention since I was born. Whatever evil sick things that happened under that flag should be buried with that flag. This a good man but he does not have to remind us of the pain of how our ancestors were treated.

[@stewietsheking]

They found the one guy flying a flag out there that could at least attempt to argue his position. Good job finding waldo

[@billhawk2745]

🤣🤣

[@rebelsoul5980]

The civil war was not fought over slavery, it was fought over the aggressive implementation of a centralized(federal) government. Furthermore, the north "owned slaves" themselves, Lincoln had a child with a "slave". Also, if you are so against slavery why are you not stopping and protesting the slave trade in the southwest where illegal Mexicans are working on plantations for 4 dollars an hour or sometimes less!!

[@martystamey3894]

Spoken like a Pelosi puppet!!

[@martystamey3894]

Im glad this good old southern boy was able to educate some of you dumb Asses out their dixie flag will live forever here in our Confederate land!!!!

[@thenewstuff3377]

@Chuck Nelson And what a great land this has become. I find hate in your comments. But I do agree with you that they should have a statue of Sherman with his middle finger up in the middle of every Court Square in every County Seat in the south. From Maryland to Florida to Texas and back to Arkansas. And why don't you personally come down here and erect each and every one of them? Bring a whole bunch of your Northern friends. And come to any small town in Mississippi, Alabama, or Georgia. Or Tennessee, South Carolina. Make your presence known. Let those ignorant, white Southern Men know who's boss and who won the war. Tell them your version of history, and just start erecting the hell out of those statues. God bless you and America!!! Good luck.

[@lemoy1101]

The problem is you don't know your history, so you reach for the nonsense.

[@Israelite-iq1gd]

exactly

Oh they know history, they just don't know The Lost Cause version is derived from the UDC and is a complete fiction.

[@HumbleAstronaut]

The United Daughters of the Confederacy was a significant leader of the “Lost Cause,” an intellectual movement that revised history to look more favorably on the South after the American Civil War. They were women from elite antebellum families that used their social and political clout to fundraise and pressure local governments to erect monuments that memorialized Confederate heroes. They also formed textbook review committees that monitored what Southern schoolchildren learned about the war. Their influential work with children created a lasting memory of the Confederate cause, and those generations grew up to be the segregationists of the Jim Crow Era in the South.

[@lbarnes8207]

and that statement proves you are just spewing what you read in an article that was biased against UDC. you obviously do not know any UDC members. did it ever occur to you that these ladies were fighting against northern propaganda and lies. the UDC has its own archives. their own historians. they knew and know the truth and are still trying to teach. there were two sides to that war and the truth about the southern side needs to be told. i am a firm believer of listening to both sides and have learned the truth is usually in the middle.

[@HumbleAstronaut]

@@lbarnes8207 no this is all well documented lol You should probably read more

[@HumbleAstronaut]

@@lbarnes8207Irony; when you complain about not being able to “rewrite history” by tearing down a monument when the reason the monument was erected was to actually “rewrite history”.

[@HumbleAstronaut]

@@lbarnes8207 you're buying the propaganda of the south 🤣 and calling other people ignorant?

[@LittleMonkey425]

Ya saw a video of that, it’s sad and don’t see how confederates don’t see that

[@sangeetabandoo5574]

Hey I am not white but can I fly your flag you have right to fly your flag

[@texasgunslinger1842]

Idk what you were trying to say but yes

[@georgestokes5116]

you can do that only if you are pink with blue spots

[@dylaningram9338]

Yep dang right

[@lukehenderson6227]

My father is Mexican and I fly the flag on my property. I’ve never experienced and discrimination from people who fly this flag. I have been yelled at and talk down to by people flying Rainbow flags. Just saying good and bad people come in all shapes and colors.

[@tinabranch7898]

U have a right to buy a flag it's just a produce making money for ours veterans of America it's all our flag

[@kansasgoldilocks]

The way we frame history is important. I grew up in Kansas (bloody Kansas, Civil War battleground state, Yanks). We were taught that the north was "good" and the south was "bad." Now that I've grown and read more, it's way more complicated than that. Yes, the Civil War was very much about slavery. Yes, the south wanted to keep their slaves. Yes, the north wanted that squashed. However, I find it very unlikely that at that time in history that the north wanted to abolish slavery because it was "just" or "moral." They simply didn't like the fact that the south was prospering because of all that free labor. Now, the end product was good and we finally abolished slavery. But we've always made the north out to be heroes because they were anti-slavery. I'm just not so sure they were anti-slavery for the right reasons. I just think the moral stuff came as a byproduct of an economic fight. I guess that was a bit tangential, but it made sense to me when I started writing it. LOL

[@JohnnyBot71]

meh, there is no confederacy. it was destroyed and erased. simply doesn't exist.

[@stevesilva2780]

We're fighting about symbols. That's all a flag ever is. Dragging it down doesn't feed one family, educate one child, or find anyone a job. We should fight about stuff more substantial than that.

[@JH-ko8se]

Removing the flag or Confederate statues shows publicly that the system no longer supports the idea that fighting for slavery and white supremacy. How can anyone take the state serious when they still adopt the flag of the enemy of the United States of America?

[@abc68130]

Symbols can be important too. If you were a jew in Germany and saw swastikas flying over government building, you'd understand.

[@Archangel0804]

@@abc68130 Mass Genocide is a far cry from Slavery which was acceptable for THOUSANDS of Years and even goes on today. And I guarantee you buy Chinese Products, which means *you support slavery* by supporting SLAVE LABOR. Stop being self righteous because we all know it is total hypocrisy

[@abc68130]

@@Archangel0804 Mass genocide also was accepable for thousands of years and goes on even today. The rest is just a tu quoque fallacy.

[@Archangel0804]

@@abc68130 That may be true, mostly during the Dark Ages. And guess what? No one wants to eradicate THAT history by eliminating it altogether, do they? The reason why the Race issue is so big at the moment is PURELY POLITICAL. It is a political Football that comes out every four years. We saw this Right before Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton And Like clockwork, all of the race-baiters are out again. Funny thing is that the Race- baiters are all from the party that started the KKK, The party that Voted numerous times against the Civil Rights Movement, Voted against the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, wrote the Jim Crow Laws and Segregation Laws.

[@crawwwfishh3284]

Ga voted on the flag at night while we the people slept.

[@MiguelHernandez-rk7bg]

I support the confederate flag which is part of American history

[@joedavis8481]

If we got rid of everything that offends somebody.....we would have nothing !!! There are plenty of things in everyday life that I don't like, agree with or am rarely "offended" by but it is and always will be part of life. Racism is a part of life WORLDWIDE and it will always exist, racism is not an object that you can destroy. Racism is a feeling and/or a belief that people of all races have or don't have depending on life experiences and upbringing. Right now in America people are being racist under the disguise of fighting racism. Political correctness is destroying society worldwide and I do not see it ending well for anyone. Just my opinion, peace , love and respect to all deserving of it.

[@darkseid8886]

“And he used that symbol Of hate “ was I the only one who caught that ?

[@jchall2009]

I caught it and reversed it.

[@southerngent8162]

What symbol of hate?

[@lemoy1101]

@@southerngent8162 you!

[@southerngent8162]

@@lemoy1101 What hate have I spewed? Only hate toward you alls ignorance. You all are the ones who are hateful.

[@alienwarex51i3]

@@southerngent8162 The confederate flag. The very flag he claims is not a symbol of hate, is indeed a symbol of hate, he claims...

[@grapas100]

"Heritage" of slavery, rape, family separation and a lost war. Yeah, you've got a lot to be proud of there Bubba.

[@Randy-ry9ss]

How many of those flags are made in China?

[@russwhite7715]

everything is made in china

[@toledojeeper2932]

@Chandros Evans ...if you purchase the MAGA hat from the Trump Campaign it is made in the USA... now independent vendors can sell hats made anywhere

[@drakejdf]

Not the confederate flags I have.

[@toledojeeper2932]

@@russwhite7715 ...there are a lot of companies in the USA that make flags

[@marylupugh3000]

I love that flag. I was born in the South and proud of it. I think slavery was a terrible thing that should have never happened. I am not a racist. I have read many stories about that flag, some good and some bad.

[@danielallman6616]

Keep it flying high

[@spatin51]

The CSA flag is a part of the history of the United States (as it were), and is the heritage of the South. We believe that slavery was wrong. But the CSA flag is the flag of a people and a country. We're proud of the Southern people and the heritage of Dixie.

[@spatin51]

***** There was no treason. The South seceded before firing a shot so there was no treason by definition of treason.

[@spatin51]

OK I read it. Didn't change my mind. It isn't treason if the CSA was not part of the United States. And they were not at the time. But I'm not interested in wasting my time trying to debate a moot point with someone who has obviously convinced himself of his righteousness. What a waste of time.

[@RagingCajun985]

Sidney Patin that is not the flag of the south. It is Confederate flag but not the south.

[@Serbian1985]

Im from Serbia Europe, moved to Texas 15 years ago and i fly the Confederate flag proudly, its a beautiful flag one of most beautiful in world, it stands for southern pride and heritage, and for me it has nothing to do with racism but for me its symbol against the system, of corrupt US government who actually through history invaded and overthrown other governments and took their resources, I love the confederate flag

[@thefool2007]

Very well spoken. I’m sure many who are actual descendants dislike racism and came from non-slave-owning families. And even dislike modern-day forms of racism from the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries. No issue with anyone claiming heritage or freedom of speech. But its meaning is historical. It has no modern day meaning other than what it represented which is a defunct Confederacy that not only embraced the institution of slavery, but stood for western expansion with slave states. The perpetuation is in the Confederate Constitution. Because of this, the stigma of slavery is indelibly associated with the flag as well as Southern heritage that can be traced back. Yes, it’s a first amendment right and there is nothing wrong with preserving history. Otherwise, it has no modern day use and does not need to be displayed by public institutions or government buildings. The museum, Civil War re-enactments, and private citizens use are about it. To say that it contains zero racism is ignorant. It is a product of a period in history where a group of people were marginalized. The flag didn’t do this, the ones who it represented did. Whether it symbolizes hate or heritage is purely a matter of perspective as it can be in both categories.

[@tymo70fo]

Heritage is a person's unique, inherited sense of family identity: the values, traditions, culture, and artifacts handed down by previous generations In other words racism passed down to generations of kids

[@victorhausauer3018]

That's a farce statement!!! You don't know what you are talking about!

[@tymo70fo]

@@victorhausauer3018 yes I do my opinion and u have yours # D O N E

[@victorhausauer3018]

@@tymo70fo you pass off your "opinion" like it fact. That's bullcrap! I have met quite a few people that were raised one way and turned out another. You say that its bred, I say it's a personal choice! So your statement is a farce!

[@ryanbrown3177]

God Bless the memory of the Brave White, Irish, Black, Hispanic, and Cherokee/Choctaw Men that fought under this Beautiful Flag! 258,000 Honorable Deaths, I will continue to Honor your service for our Beautiful Southern Land and Culture. God Bless the 360,222 Yankees that give their lives as well. Its a shame how watered down many peoples education is about the Civil War. If people would just take the time to read or learn real facts about the war, it would really blow people’s minds and open their eyes. I’m not going to go Tit for Tat about every detail of why it’s not Racist and it’s Heritage. Learn for yourselves and don’t be ignorant sheep. #SouthernandProud #GodBlessDixie #CSA

[@HumbleAstronaut]

The United Daughters of the Confederacy was a significant leader of the “Lost Cause,” an intellectual movement that revised history to look more favorably on the South after the American Civil War. They were women from elite antebellum families that used their social and political clout to fundraise and pressure local governments to erect monuments that memorialized Confederate heroes. They also formed textbook review committees that monitored what Southern schoolchildren learned about the war. Their influential work with children created a lasting memory of the Confederate cause, and those generations grew up to be the segregationists of the Jim Crow Era in the South.

[@Archangel0804]

@Christopher Darden Do you buy things made in China? Of Course you do. You are supporting and condoning Slavery, because your goods are produced using Slave Labor. You're a hypocrite

[@jonstudebaker1911]

@@Archangel0804 So because he's a hypocrite (as we all are), he should openly support racism?

[@mepkin9449]

This man being interviewed deserves a valid voice of reason. He is obviously well educated in the history of the south and what the Confederate Flag represents. I am a native of S.C. so I am open to both sides of this debate. In fact, I have African American friends who couldn’t care less either way. However, in their view - and mine - the “Heritage not Hate” bumper sticker does in fact include hatred towards our African American brothers and sisters. The same white skinned people who wanted to escape the tyranny of their government in Britain and France imposed that same tyranny upon the Africans they enslaved. Put the Confederate Flag in the museum down the road from the State Capital. Perhaps there are those who can express what I just said more succinctly. My two cents.

[@mattrussillo4587]

I found it amazing howl little he actually knew about the war. And the dead giveaway of that is the fact that he's one of those idiots that's out there parading around with a flag!

[@andreworiez8920]

He's carrying the flag if a nation that ENSHRINED SLAVERY at its very core!!

[@djbchill]

@@andreworiez8920 you said it right. How dare they impose the same oppression on others that was imposed on them by England and France

[@andreworiez8920]

@@djbchill It was the fear of slavery going away that sparked the revolt... Slavery was dying... It had been abolished in the UK 60 years earlier... Empire wide... The French abolished it in 1794.... And the Northern States where squeezing it out of existence... The Confederacy WAS founded to PRESERVE it...

[@wishihadavette_2517]

Andrew Oriez it was more than that though. Not just slavery.

[@george150799]

As a Brit, from Liverpool I know a bit about the civil war, the south since the defeat has had a narrative of miss information about what the war was about, ie not slavery but about their rights and the north bullying the south. I have read Alexande H Stephens cornerstone speech prior to hostilities in 1861, this conflict was about slavery full stop. The city I and my ancestors grew up in were major backers of the southern course, Liverpool merchants didn't care about slavery theu were happy to get the cotton as cheap as possbible to keep the mills in Lancashire weaving. As for monuments, I believe 90% were erected in the 20th century, the reason I believe was 'to let those black folk know who was in charge and don't you forget it'. The flag and the monuments are symbols of oppression, learn history from a historian and not from a drunk uncle, thats my philosophy. Monuments for the soldiers who died regardless of side, YES, flags and generals NO!!!!

[@ethanabelman2837]

Yes but the south was being bullied cause they had slaves and there industries came from slavery so yeah they had the right to tax them more and there was no longer a equal slave states so they were mad and wanted the spread of slavery because they thought it was the way of good “labor” and yes the British would have sided with the south if the south started winning cause of all that cotton

[@shimmer4771]

@@ethanabelman2837 Either way, just because slavery was legal then, doesn't make it right. It was socially acceptable. It's horrible and carries a lot of pain for poc.

[@frankbaptista8334]

Slavery was also legal in the US, 5 US states had legal slavery even after the war was over until Dec 1865 when the 13th amendment was passed, learn factual history, not politically correct history.

[@jonstudebaker1911]

The only smart answer here!

[@eloyrodriguez6460]

(THE WHITE MEN ARE BEING OPPRESSED) this is from a 5th generation Texican. I'm so SORRY for what you're going through. I'm proud of the South. And support Southern pride. .

[@severelychanged3679]

What? White men are being oppressed? A Texan would say that. So the Latinos are not being trapped in cages? Mexicans are not being used as punching bags for working low level jobs yet get blamed for take jobs from people that wish they could be in the fields. From7am to 7 pm. Jobs white privileged men use them For. The blacks are not getting shot by white cops? White men dont call the shots anymore huh? I dont think white Trump and the White Senate would agree with you bud. Probably neither white Jesus? Please!!

[@americancrimejournal]

@@severelychanged3679 He's a product of a GOP ran education system. One of the worst.

[@chrisubias7135]

Why fly these pitiful flags. Fly the America Flag

[@m.o.btheworld4094]

That flag was the costume & symbol used by the Confederates to uphold slavery and fight against the US

[@mrdeese5828]

The black lives matter flag is a flag of terrorism on American soil. Band it also and eliminate the terrorist.

[@m.o.btheworld4094]

@@mrdeese5828 black lives matter means that black lives matter as well it isn't a symbol of haterd used to oppress other races.

[@mrdeese5828]

@@m.o.btheworld4094 so their burning down of whites and minorities businesses isn't a racial immoral act? All lives matter because God created all humans. The unborn children are humans too, do they matter also?

[@fireninja897]

It doesn't matter what others think or say. I grew up in the South and I hated that flag then and I hate it now. It has always symbolized oppression for me. My only regret is that I don't live in a country where it is banned and those who fly it are jailed. If this was a majority black country I guarantee you it would be. No matter how you spin it, you can't make my heart be at peace with it, its supporters, or what it stands for. The Kingdom will come before that happens.

I agree with you with the exception of being jailed. They have the right to look like idiots and I have the right to mock them for being illiterate. Anyone that has read the Confederate Constitution, the Cornerstone speech, or any of the ordinances of secession knows why the south seceded and what that traitorous and slaving flag represents. The monuments should not exist nor should the Confederate iconography. The vast majority where erected by the UDC in a campaign to rewrite history. The people who subscribe to The Lost Cause myth need to be mocked and laughed at, but we are not socialists. We do not imprison people for being incestuous and illiterate hill-billies.

[@fireninja897]

@ Thank you for saying so succinctly what I've been trying to reveal to these brainwashed myth chasers.

[@heathusry3048]

It is this in a nutshell, denying and rewriting history will not change it. It is a Confederate Battle Flag which is absolutely harmless.

[@johnschunk97]

Keep the flag in your house, don't parade it around like you're trying to restart the war. Common sense

[@heathusry3048]

@@johnschunk97 nobody is trying is trying to restart anything. I want peace just as much as anyone else. But you go ahead and trample on my first amendment rights and my opinions.

[@johnschunk97]

@@heathusry3048 what a silly and cowardly answer. That flag was all about denying all rights to a group of people, and now you're hiding behind the first amendment. Get in line with the rioters!

[@heathusry3048]

@@johnschunk97 I think that the real cowardice is promoting a false agenda of rioting under the guise of protest. What does burning down a business have to do with protest. You seem to think that I am on the side of a murderous cop, I am not. Trying to silence me for something that I had nothing to do with is very cowardly. You demand your rights and to hell with the rights of people that have a different opinon than you. I believe that I am being respectful to you but you want to insult me and make false accusations. You don't know a thing about me, but I can see just what type you are. By the way, try to learn some actual historical truth. You do not know what you are talking about.

[@johnschunk97]

@@heathusry3048 oh really, what do you know about me?

[@robertchestnut2150]

Make this country great again give it back to the indigenous people the Europeans go back to Europe in the Caucasus Mountains and have a nice day!!

[@simonjames3990]

Thank you Choctaw tribal nation and proud

[@fountain855]

Funny, that people tell immigrants and blacks to go back to where you came from and yet they forget about the indigenous peoples. Arrogance!

[@simonjames3990]

@@fountain855 thank you Choctaw tribal nation and proud 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@fountain855]

@James Kirk c

[@jeffbrannon8353]

Native Americans are not native to America came from Asia

[@pedrobautista5346]

That man is talking right I’m not white but I do agree on some things that he says cause it’s true do your research!!

[@mejhon6592]

You are a hispanic weak thats why u say that, you prefer to defend the enemy then fight back

[@alexlinkinparkful]

Make America great again, make America a confederation again.

[@apra4172]

The argument isnt the origin. Its how the new generation views it to be a southern way of life. Tough country folk .

[@giuffre714]

They should read a book.

[@mikes6961]

Heritage, ask a few of them youngsters wearing a Confederate flag shirt claiming heritage to tell you who the president of the confederacy was and watch the smoke rise. Just call it what it is and I'd have more respect for your view

[@HoldenNY22]

This guy looks like that actor who Played a Supporting Role in Saving Private Ryan and Heat.

[@scottybee33]

yeah, like, Tom Siezmore

[@HoldenNY22]

@@scottybee33You are right. That is the actor I was thinking about.

[@MGTOWPaladin]

Why is there a controversy? As South Carolina and other States legally seceded from the Union, the North invaded the now-Confederacy for control of southern cash crops that fed the US Treasury (to the tune of 70%), secured bank loans as collateral, supplied northern industries with raw materials and, across the Atlantic, supplied their industries (The Industrial Revolution) as well. Three non-Confederate Sources: English author, Charles Dickens, author of A Christmas Carol and Oliver Twist: "The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control ( cotton and other raw materials) of the Southern states." This short telegram, from William Tecumseh Sherman to Abraham Lincoln, is dated December 22, 1864. “I beg to present you as a Christmas gift the city of Savannah with 150 heavy guns and plenty of ammunition and also about 25,000 bales of COTTON,” Sherman wrote. In 1924, the US Federal Reserve issued their report on the History of Cotton. Please note in 1800 there was no cotton production. By 1850, COTTON supplied 53.36% of the Treasury's funds. By 1870, COTTON supplied a whopping 60.28 %. fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/FRB/pages/1920-1924/26396_1920-1924.pdf The North invaded the Confederacy for control of southern cash crops and the money it supplied. For 160 years, the North has hid behind Four False Causes or UNCONSTITUTIONAL LIES! 1. Secession is illegal 2. The South rebelled 3. Preserve the Union (Treasury) 4. Slavery - legal under the Constitution: Migration and Importantion Clause, Fugitive Slave Clause, 3/5 Compromise Clause, 4th Amendment and 5th Amendment and 10th Amendment.

[@Ben00000]

If your argument hinges on the legality of slavery rather than the morality of it, you've already lost the argument. Begone, incel.

[@jonathanpatten8703]

This is so very true but as I've come to understand in dealing with these brainwashed idiots they don't listen. There are instigators and liers that live in their own fantasy world. Delusional for sure. The South is occupied territory. God willing and Dixie will rise again. God willing one day soon she will throw off her northern oppressors for good.

[@myleswelnetz6700]

Heritage OF hate.

[@hawkeye6168]

The Confederate Constitution mentions slavery three times Article 1 Section 9 provides that no law interfering with slavery can be passed. Article 4 Section 2 prohibits the states cannot interfere with the ownership of slaves. Article 4 Section 3 provides that any territory acquired by the Confederacy would permit slavery. If you were against slavery why would you serve a nation that took the trouble to insure that slavery would always be legal and free from government interference?

[@michaelpena5567]

This is true but that was politics. These men were young most of them. They fought for where they were from. Few were politicians. They did what they thought was honorable. Most of these men knew nothing about the laws or constitution. All they knew were they were called on to serve their country and they went. I don't agree with slavery but these young men died for their home.

[@michaelpena5567]

Only veterans and ex-Veterans will understand why serving ur courtry is honor. The civil war was caused by one word, succession! Not by slaves that was only part of a long list of things. If u know ur history? The 13 southern joined the United States voluntarily. So the southern wanted to resign there place in the Union. The United States told these states they could not quit the union. So the southern states said F U we quit. Which the north thought as an act of war! The Union wasn't all that innocent. In the beginning they would not pay black soldiers the same pay as whites. They were not given combat rolls in the beginning just logistic support. Not to mention years later segregation existed in the US MILITARY. Till about the mid 40's . when Eleanor Roosevelt convinced her husband to change this. Hence that's why they had buffalo soldiers/ the red tail Tuskegee airmen etc.

[@gnarmarmilla]

Michael Pena they died as fools. How far will you go with that one? It isn’t reprehensible enough for you that they fought to keep black men as property? They picked up guns and started shootings at other Americans because of what? Their homes weren’t being invaded, that’s nonsense. God is offended at people oppressing poor people and that’s what the confederate army did. That’s all that matters

[@gnarmarmilla]

Michael Pena mutiny is not honor.

[@michaelpena5567]

@@gnarmarmilla u got that wrong. The US declared war cuz the south quit the union. If u read my earlier texts most of those boys couldn't afford a slave! If u can't understand defending ur home?? I don't know what to say. If they were fools why are confederate generals war strategies still taught in all war colleges. Like Thomas Jackson Artillery strategies are taught to army's all over the world? I'm not for slavery , i just educate myself in history. I'm also an ex Infantry army veteran. The south had some of the best commander's of the war.. The south lost due to logistics and lack of a Navy. Logistically speaking the north had better navy and better weapons. Anytime ur home is at war where u are from ur family is??? U will defend it. Slavery was a political battle cuz they were the only one's that would be effected by free slaves. Only politicians and the rich could really afford them. I'm anti slavery but anytime a person dies for what they believe is honor. Just look at the san patricios? They were irish immigrants who left the American army to fight on with the mexican army in the mex American war. They were looked down upon by the US for being catholic and were discriminated against for their religion. Were they fools??? No they fought for what they thought was right. I'm Mexican from Texas. I just learn and study the facts from history and from the military! Young people need to know so they know the truth of this country!

[@bajamcguide]

You don't get dude. Its not what it means to you..its what is says to others..

[@landonbass83]

So it’s all about others feelings now? People could say the same for the gay pride flag

[@impregnatorb8709]

Thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 CSA flag is not a symbol of hate it’s a symbol to represent anyone in the south and the love of small government idc what race you are if you fly that flag you my bro💪🏼🙌🏼

[@richardmurray4605]

0:06-0:25 Does he refer to the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate, or did I mishear?

[@jchall2009]

You heard correctly.

[@nealsoul7516]

He sure did.

[@xdswaggy-_-5572]

Yep

[@vernonpennington8896]

Listen to this man with the Confederate Flag talking! Same hear Texans! Also wave our Two flags! Battle Flag and Lone Star Flag ! Doesn't mean anything about Slavery ! It's People who come together! With a common min and cause to fight for ! Confederates fought for their farms and Ranches! Lively hoods ! Keeping our lands ! Jobs ! In thec south were many! Because we worked hard ! And supported and shared! helped eatch other! We fought on comon ground we were a Confederation ! People are told by the Polosie crotch rats! That it means a southern group! Comited to slavery and will fight to keep it! Sutch lies have caused these distrust, ignorance to be feard believed by them! Who never read a book but ! The written By the left in all Congress! handed down editing out! Many truths! In history covering up the crimes! The Dems have controlled Let out the harsh secrets! That made people a shamed of the Union! not to Be embarrassed of the lies put on the republic of the people! Fighting to keep their propertys Family's alive ! just like now we fight wars to protect America! Greed from the Union Congress started the Civil War! Poor folk were most of the Confederate Army's ! Only the best high officers were ritch ! Comon since should tell others this is true !

[@jaysonsmith4912]

All lies

[@midfie1]

🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️ just admit you're a racist.

[@Capronice]

I am 54. The Rebel flag during my life was part of Rock and Roll, fun television shows and NASCAR. It represented rebellion and Southern pride. Our society has changed and this symbol changed with it. I think the flag looks very cool. If you think about it, the US flag stood for slavery at one time. The US flag stood for the people that took this county from indigenous people who were here before them.

[@jeffeverhart8464]

The swastika was adopted by hitler...also has differed in meaning through the years

[@Capronice]

@@jeffeverhart8464 Exactly.

[@t00bgazer]

The US also at least made somewhat of an effort to do away with slavery(not fully as slavery is allowed for criminals). The confederacy did nothing but double down on slavery. The flag always represented slavery even when it stood for rock and roll and rebellion. You just either chose to ignore the history around the flag or had no education of the civil war. Also flags in general are pointless. Let's do away with all of them. Confederate flags are only good for burning.

[@Archangel0804]

@@t00bgazer You don't know the real history of the Civil War. Only 6% of all Americans owned slaves In South Carolina Alone there were over 171 BLACK SLAVE OWNERS according to the 1830 Census. No one ever talks about the BLACK Slave owners, because it goes against the Social Justice Warrior Mainstream Media Narrative. The other issue is that those 6% wealthy land owners controlled 95% of the money in the South. The other 94% were dirt poor. Why in the hell would the Dirt-Poor 94% risk their lives to fight for something that they didn't even participate in, and many didn't believe in? Answer: Because The Civil War was only partially about Slavery

[@mattrussillo4587]

@@jeffeverhart8464 I am more than certain that the people that were the victims of either flag don't feel they have any different meaning!

[@carloslara8346]

Not Mexican. It’s Hispanic bc not every brown people are Mexicans

[@nycopperwarrior9734]

I believe that he's speaking from his soul! Good dude! I. About to do a very deep research on the confederate flag! Just like the swastika is an ancient Sanskrit Hindu symbol! But the Nazis used it for their own purposes, good or bad that symbol was never theirs from the start. To be honest as a child I've always liked the Confederate flag design more then the US flag. but I never understood why I was a child. Besides, the way Democrats did blk ppl (me) I can guarantee the confederate flag has always stood for something positive. Anything the Democrats don't want you to like or give your attention to. The demonize it!

[@TheRoguePrince0]

It's Treason not Heritage

[@Yannickshambo]

Exactly

[@jimmiecisco]

Left-wing, right wing, right wing, left wing, the problem is that they're connected to the same bird! Really!

[@evanv7420]

I never thought of it that way.

[@evanv7420]

@Garrison Nichols because we never went to actual war with the USSR, sure we had the Cold War and fighting in Korea and Vietnam, but other than that, we haven’t had any wars with Russia directly. The Confederates was formed by succeeding states from this country, and even though it was constitutional to do so and own slaves at the time, they still unequivocally attacked Federal armories and bombarded Fort Sumter. We fought a actual WAR with them on OUR SOIL. We don’t celebrate the NAZIs because we fought with them in a war. Sure the Confederates were American... but they fought against America

[@therealivydawg]

Well it's not your heritage. If it is than carry the real confederate flag. That flag was brought back for one thing and that was racism. Why you would want to link yourselves to that is beyond me.

[@glenndraper104]

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[@krissifaith6709]

The war was not simply about slavery, folks... learn your history.

[@jermainemitchell2002]

YOUR REALLY THAT IGNORANT....

[@krissifaith6709]

@@jermainemitchell2002 You're* And no....it isn't ignorance.. it is called a Bachelor's in History. If the war was only that simple.... maybe a little research for yourself might help. South and North were not divided over blacks in the cotton fields and kitchens. True ignorance is when one cannot research for themselves when there are such search engines and education readily avail.

[@nicksivds]

”Not simply”. The slaveholding states we're being left out in US elections. Lincoln was elected without winning one southern state. As the US expanded west, the Southern States wanted the majority of new states to become slave states. They wanted a voice in elections. They also wanted to keep their slaves. The South wanted to keep slaves! The south was hoping England would help them during the war! England refused because they would not side with a ”country” that kept people as property. The south chose not to free their slaves. The war was fought over slavery. I am very sure that many common Confederate soldiers did not fight to uphold slavery. They fought for MANY reasons. All you need to do is look at the ”articles of succession” by southern states. Most of them clearly state that it is their right to keep slaves and they will leave the Union to do so. Look it up. Don't listen to me or your friends on Facebook.

[@still_awake_productions3441]

While correct in saying it was more than slavery... slavery was the spark the ignited the bomb... slavery was at the end of the day, the direct cause for the start of the war. Yes, there were more reasons the north and south just didn’t get along but slavery was directly associated with starting the civil war.

[@krissifaith6709]

I am a history major, Holmes. Slavery was a part of it... I wont't waste my time educating folks who cannot bother to research for themselves. Slavery was just a part of it....the entire foundation of the South was bout to be ripped out from under it... please read. I don't learn from my buddies on facebook. My mom taught me to read. My dad taught me to think for myself.

[@bradr1913]

I respect that confederate flag. As a tribal member we fly custers flag and war ribbons. We've been to the Supreme Court 3x. The federal government wanted there flag back. Fight for your flag. They want to put up gay flag.

[@willtheman840]

In the personal life I respect others' rights. To me, the Confederate Cross symbolizes: A "nation" which fought against the USA. A "nation" which fought maintain and increase slavery in North America. A "nation" which only existed four years, and lost badly 155 years ago.

[@Andrew-nq8qw]

It's too bad the confederate flag defenders don't want to acknowledge or don't seem to realize that slavery was protected in the Confederate Constitution. Slavery "...shall be recognized and protected by Congress..." Full text below. Article IV Section 3(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several states; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form states to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states.

[@michaelpena5567]

It pisses me off that they are removing these statues. These young men died fighting for the state they were from. It had nothing to do with slavery. Most of these men that fought for the south couldn't even afford slaves!! Slaves were for the rich. I feel these boys are lost they're lives in vain!!! Some weren't even 18 yrs old! These boyz fought for their country!!!

[@HellSquid11]

What country did they fight for? They seceded from the U.S. They literally were against America.

[@michaelpena5567]

@@HellSquid11 if u volunteer to join the US under a current way of living and then northern stated. want to change it? U have the right to leave a union just as u volunteer to join it. These men fought as bravely and honorbly as union soldiers. Soldiers fight on orders. They don't fight politics. These were these mens homes they fought for. Most officers were union soldiers. Some of the best. If they fought for the north they'd be heroes today. The choctaw nation had slaves for more than a year after the war. The president had to negotiate their freedom! Are the traitors to the US? OH that's right, they are the US. They are the original americans. Thomas Jackson's strategies are still taught in war colleges today. He taught at VMI for years and a west point graduate. And they take his statue down from the VMI campus?? He made VMI what it was. My ancestors were mexicans who fought for the grey from my home state of Texas! They owned no slaves.

[@HellSquid11]

@@michaelpena5567 that's incredibly sad. Those men DIED for the south to have slaves.

[@michaelpena5567]

@@HellSquid11 thats all u all see. Its deeper than that sir. It's about home and country but u bleeding hearts may never understand.

[@HellSquid11]

@@michaelpena5567 name 5 reasons the Civil War happened.

[@JohnAguilar1023]

How about fly a British flag.

[@johntaylor1121]

Gay.

[@JohnAguilar1023]

Fuk u

[@johntaylor1121]

No thanks, I prefer women.

[@a.b.bailey2493]

To me as a black man, the flag is a symbol of racism and oppression. People today say its heritage, that's like Nazis saying the swastika is just the symbol of a political party which it started out to be. What was done in the name of the conference flag and swaztika is the reason why the people who were/are the victims deem it as a symbol of hate.

[@Waafa]

I respect your opinion. But I feel the flag represents treason, more than anything. That's just personally though.

[@zach1095]

I love the confederate flag!

[@kelvinsullivan9237]

Why? If you're gonna say your heritage. You lost to the united States of America! Wht are you so proud of?

[@raamyasharahla535]

@@kelvinsullivan9237 Losing!

[@shauncampbell4371]

He can be educated, there is hope for him.

[@nicolemiller1221]

What did that flag fight for ? To keep slaves ". And that's what they represent or they would just keep the flag in their homes . So I would know i'm in the wrong place . That flag has nothing to do with cooking styles . A bunch of ppl for slave labor ".

[@USAwarrior500]

I am a proud northerner and a born n raised citizen of the union!! I however i respect and admire Joshua Gilmer for his beliefs and right to wave his confederate flag since that is his heritage and in his ancestory! I do not wave the flag of dixie nor will i ever do this but it seems this group of individuals are respectful and i can respect that! I had ancestors who fought galiantly for the north and the union federal army during the civil war therefore that is where i stand. The north and the south should not be enemys or seperated anymore but there are those that still believe in this ideology and we must defend our beliefs/heritage north or south!

[@giuffre714]

The people fighting under that flag killed more members of the U.S. military than ISIS.

[@bobbywright1561]

Chris 7’

[@charlesbowserjr804]

Let WHAT happen to us, happen to them.Then ask them again.

[@markkane183]

What happened to you personal???

[@lbarnes8207]

what happened? oh you mean slavery? you mean being rounded up by fellow africans who sold your ancestors for some gold and guns? so they could go out and round up more even quicker? you mean the slavery that was abolished 155 years ago that you never experienced personally? can you even prove that your ancestors were slaves? because you may well be descended from free blacks who owned slaves, of which there were many. if you would like to check and see then go to the library of congress and type in "free negro slaveholders in the united states in the 1830s" by carter g woodson. fascinating bit of history. never heard of that book? many of the UDC know of it but the northern propoganda machine does not want you to know REAL history. only hate, hate, hate. easier to control you through emotions.

[@markkane183]

@@lbarnes8207 💯💯💯 well said mate they're ashamed of nothing and offended by everything

[@wallyrebelparker9437]

Cool fact!!! Did you know the Stars and Bars was the very first American Flag?

[@senpai-ns7so]

Technically yes butt no.

[@georgestokes5116]

and what book did you get that out of.

[@billkokkinis9803]

The Civil War was definitely not about slavery. That became the moral angle towards the end of the war but that too was a political move to garner support for a war that people were getting tired of.

[@curtstarr6930]

Bill Kokkins so what was the Civil War about ?

[@billkokkinis9803]

@@curtstarr6930 In a nutshell... state's rights

[@curtstarr6930]

@@billkokkinis9803 exactly states rights to keep slavery legal . What other suppossed states rights were they being illegally denied by the union north ? That lost cause for states rights was BULLSHIT ! That some ASSHOLES came up with to try & justify their fighting on the side that was morally wrong

[@billkokkinis9803]

@@curtstarr6930 That's not true. The South never fought against the North because of slavery. The problem here is that you were taught a lie in school that the North where the good guys and the South where the bag guys. Am I right?

[@curtstarr6930]

@@billkokkinis9803 wrong ! The north treated black people like shit too there was even 3 northern states that still had slavery but u still can't name any other states rights that was being denied to them . Everybody knows the lost cause was BS even you know it you just can't bring yourself today admit it publicly . & It sounds like somebody blew bunch smoke up yur ass & you asked for 2nd & 3rd blows that's very selfish of you

[@ohyeahthatsright3155]

Slavery was outlawed in the South , not the North. Delaware ended Slavery in 1901. Massachusetts banned slaves and called them Indentured servants and released them after 7 years. Offspring (born into slavery)were released after 28 Years of age. Read your history at the library.

[@peanutawesome1]

You could say the same with the south, Louisiana had slavery until 1974. South or north, racist are racist

[@evanv7420]

heritage not hate? well, you're partially right.... Its heritage OF hate

[@fog-8827]

Yessir

[@southtownj382]

You can fly your fall where you want. We still have freedom of speech and expression in this country.

[@leonbowie2241]

I am a civil war re-enactor that flag the Confederate flag means that flag is a flag of the South that flag means the United Confederate of American it also represents the flag of the United States of America because it has the red white and and I'm proud to be an American because I love my family treats me like a like a rebel and I do both flags the United States American flag and I I also respect the Confederate because deep down inside we're all Americans and the Confederate soldiers that have died carrying that flag the civil war that flag

[@t00bgazer]

Austria, Netherlands, France, Taiwan, Thailand, Britain, Costa Rica, Cambodia, and Norway all have the colors red white and blue. I guess those are all American flags too by your logic. No we aren't Confederates deep down, Confederates are the ones who were a terrorist organization that broke away from the United States to preserve slavery.

[@JohnnyBot71]

but there is no confederacy, it's been smashed and erased. there is a U.S.

[@jbreezy6784]

But the confederate were ones who fought to maintain slavery. I give two shits what you do or re-enact fuck the Confederacy

[@jbreezy6784]

Garrison Nichols We are a nation of laws you can’t do what you want. I know if you tried that in LA you’d get your ass whooped

[@bearpaw72]

As a Canadian, there are two reasons for me to "defend" such a flag. The first reason is that events like Nascar, shows like the Dukes of Hazzard, and wrestlers like the Fabulous Freebirds gave the Confederate flag a cool name. Such shows and events made the original racist meaning of the flag too insignificant to warrant any real protest. And two: Despite it being clear that the Confederate flag was first established with a racist meaning, I have to admit that the flag DOES look cool painted on clothing, cars, and other such items.

[@perryjohnson6248]

I'm a strong supporter for the Confederate flag and I believe in Southern Heritage not hate so I have Confederate items myself and I have a genuine respect and half something got nothing to do with the Confederate flag don't have nothing to do with hate all that represents is the South and grits