History Hijinks: Greek Wise Guys

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@MarkusAldawn
@MarkusAldawn 4 жыл бұрын
"If I were not Alexander, I would want to be Diogenes." "If I was not Diogenes, I would also want to be Diogenes."
@CDexie
@CDexie 4 жыл бұрын
what an idol
@sinisterelephant8658
@sinisterelephant8658 4 жыл бұрын
Just the (likely apocryphal) quote I was looking for!
@jasondoe2596
@jasondoe2596 4 жыл бұрын
Humanity's first, and most dedicated, shitposter.
@wofls2713
@wofls2713 4 жыл бұрын
@@jasondoe2596 except he was kinda right most the time
@souffrantdepine3762
@souffrantdepine3762 4 жыл бұрын
@@wofls2713 Did Jason stutter?
@F22onblockland
@F22onblockland 4 жыл бұрын
Death: Gorgias it's time to go Gorgias at 98: Well you see time is a relative construct, it is true that one day my body shall stop functioning but who are you to say that that day, is in fact today? I... Death: Alright alright, i'll give you 10 more years, please just stop.
@publiusii4246
@publiusii4246 4 жыл бұрын
I imagine gorgias as greek ben shapiro.
@tada-kun982
@tada-kun982 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha so accurate
@Prich319
@Prich319 4 жыл бұрын
Dude sounds like the proto-soyboy.
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 4 жыл бұрын
Death: I LIKE YOU, YOU MAY STAY.
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 4 жыл бұрын
Gorgias: "And boom, that's how you extend your life, science"
@anyataylor5333
@anyataylor5333 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes is the chaotic neutral that everyone likes.
@ishanafondekar6334
@ishanafondekar6334 4 жыл бұрын
BEHOLD A MAN
@Magus_Union
@Magus_Union 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly think he's the most 'accurate' of moral philosophers with his views if you take the time to dial down his shenanigans by a factor of 50. He's pretty equatable to the context of Fight Club in terms of moral reasoning.
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 4 жыл бұрын
He's Bilbo Baggins if Bilbo Baggins took one look at Smaug then told him that his breath stinks and that the jewelry on his chest was obviously compensating for something.
@nanoblast5748
@nanoblast5748 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes was the middle finger philosophy needed AND deserved.
@tuckinatorinator787
@tuckinatorinator787 4 жыл бұрын
Personally from all that I know of him I admire the guy. Marched to his own drum, wasn't stupid and wasn't concerned about others, was the furthest thing from a conformist, and despite being how he was he was so genuine that people were naturally drawn to him.
@Kemot300
@Kemot300 4 жыл бұрын
In Hades: Hades (reads the report): So let me get this straight Charon, Diogenes spent years on the coast of the Styx river because he did not care to pay you, and you only took him now because you could not take it anymore, and I quote: "to see him constantly pee into the Styx river"?
@rolandremzmejorada4641
@rolandremzmejorada4641 4 жыл бұрын
Ngl this needs more likes
@rogueflare4929
@rogueflare4929 4 жыл бұрын
That man would be DOUBLE the LEGEND he already was when he was alive cuz he has the guts AND balls to be soo bold in the Underworld that it even leaves Hades unable to deal with him in an examplary way!?!? DAMN,I THINK I LOVE HIM EVEN MORE NOW WITH THIS NEW HEADCANNON!?!?XD 😂😂
@atuljha6128
@atuljha6128 3 жыл бұрын
@@rogueflare4929 why would Hades have to "deal" with him though? The Underworld is a pretty chill place, except for Tartarus of course.
@theparrot6516
@theparrot6516 3 жыл бұрын
@@atuljha6128 put him into tartarus. Or if hades is feeling nice. Put him into asphodel
@thottovonbismarck8756
@thottovonbismarck8756 3 жыл бұрын
There's a series of brief satirical scenes written by Lucian of Samosata called the "Dialogues of the Dead." The main characters are Cynic philosophers (including Diogenes) basically doing exactly this all across the underworld! They're pretty easy to find online if you're interested
@GhostBear3067
@GhostBear3067 2 жыл бұрын
Diogenes: "I ran out of fucks to give before you were born." Bystander: "I am older than you..." Diogenes: "DID I STUTTER?!"
@ashofruins761
@ashofruins761 4 жыл бұрын
"BEHOLD" Holds up a shivering naked chicken "A MAN" is probably the most hilarious powerplay ever
@patrickcorby1423
@patrickcorby1423 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that was a tumblr shitpost not an actual philosopher
@twoscarabsintheswarm9055
@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the chicken was dead but oof
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@patrickcorby1423 I think that the whole point of this video is that a lot of philosophy is just the ancient version of tumblr shitposts.
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 4 жыл бұрын
@@patrickcorby1423 oh it was absolutely a shit post. it was just done by a real greek philosopher
@marvalice3455
@marvalice3455 4 жыл бұрын
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 that need not be true, though it was certainly not well.
@CDexie
@CDexie 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes is seriously a legend. After pulling that stunt with the chicken, the academy was forced to expand the definition of man to "featherless biped with broad flat nails". He wandered around the streets of Athens with a lamp in broad daylight, claiming to be searching for "an honest man, but finding nothing but rascals and scoundrels". He threw the only cup he carried to drink water with when he saw a peasant child using its hands to do so out of a puddle, then declared ""Fool that I am, to have been carrying superfluous baggage all this time!". And finally, his words of wisdom: "In a rich man's house, there is no place to spit but his face".
@DISTurbedwaffle918
@DISTurbedwaffle918 4 жыл бұрын
I think good life advice is to be as strong and well-spoken as Plato, but be as brash and bold as Diogenes.
@caseykendall5506
@caseykendall5506 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite story was the one where he and a bunch of other philosophers were sitting in a room together. The subject of an interesting paradox came up: since they had no concept of the number zero, they argued that TECHNICALLY it was impossible to leave a room, since you could be one to a hundred percent in but never less than that (did I say an interesting paradox? I meant 'incredibly stupid'). Our boy Diogenes stood up, told them he had an easy answer to that, and just fucking walked right out of the room like a boss.
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@caseykendall5506 Those philosophers sound like they were high as fuck.
@michaelkriston8477
@michaelkriston8477 4 жыл бұрын
@@zoro115-s6b Nah fam,Indians and Arabs were the only ones who could even contemplate the existence of a number soley dedicated to nothingness.
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkriston8477 My point still stands.
@veryimportantspoon5468
@veryimportantspoon5468 4 жыл бұрын
Have I ever mentioned how much I admire Diogenes' sheer *audacity* ? He marches right up to the biggest hotshots in all of Greece, looks 'em up and down, and says "Move over, you're blocking the sunlight". I aspire to be that bold.
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
Well Alexander marched up to him because he was a lazy shit but yeah
@leyspun
@leyspun 4 жыл бұрын
It's even better. THEY had to march up to HIM.
@schwarzerritter5724
@schwarzerritter5724 4 жыл бұрын
Even better, Diogenes made the biggest hotshots march right up to h i m .
@blazeswordpaladin9357
@blazeswordpaladin9357 4 жыл бұрын
All that's holding you back is social constraints, my friend. That was the lesson Diogenes was trying to teach
@veryimportantspoon5468
@veryimportantspoon5468 4 жыл бұрын
@@blazeswordpaladin9357 What's holding me back is I'm stuck at home and don't have twitter.
@whatthewhatthe9117
@whatthewhatthe9117 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes: _Tears open Trojan horse_ BEHOLD, A MAN Children: screaming at the birthday party
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 4 жыл бұрын
I actually really like Plato, and not just because he's a bearded wise man who taught youngsters in a school while also being jacked enough to duel any opponent into submission. He reminds me of me in that regard.
@jaegar2786
@jaegar2786 4 жыл бұрын
Obi-Wan get a job already.
@l.o.b.2433
@l.o.b.2433 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaegar2786 Pretty sure Jedi don't need payments.
@johnbones3455
@johnbones3455 4 жыл бұрын
Why are you everywhere?
@jaegar2786
@jaegar2786 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnbones3455 the force is everywhere in everything, it surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the Galaxy together.
@caipingcui7594
@caipingcui7594 3 жыл бұрын
GENERAL KENOBI!
@ButterflyScarlet
@ButterflyScarlet 4 жыл бұрын
I love that Plato's name is basically just his wrestling moniker. It's if The Rock was a philosopher. Imagine casually discussing metaphysics with your lecturer and then you go home and see them chokeslam someone on national TV.
@yourpalbryan1442
@yourpalbryan1442 3 жыл бұрын
As Blue says: "Its all fun and games poking holes in your opponents' logic until they suplex you in the middle of the symposium"
@janwitkowsky8787
@janwitkowsky8787 3 жыл бұрын
Ever tried playing Dungeons and Dragons with Dwayne Johnson? Yup.
@poppypollen4362
@poppypollen4362 3 жыл бұрын
God, this world needs this.
@solaris9426
@solaris9426 3 жыл бұрын
Thousands of years in our future, The Rock could very well be considered a philosopher to those who uncover his stuff.
@GSBarlev
@GSBarlev Жыл бұрын
The physics department at my _alma mater_ had a surprisingly large amount of overlap with our sports teams. One legend did his senior thesis on the hydraulic model of metabolism with regards to competitive swimmers. Of which he was one.
@GeneralOlde
@GeneralOlde 4 жыл бұрын
Plato: Socrates is right, and everyone else hates wisdom. Also, he's faster than Sonic and stronger than Knuckles wait where are you going
@willowarkan2263
@willowarkan2263 4 жыл бұрын
Soooo, plato's oc, don't steal?
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 4 жыл бұрын
The most Jacked Philosopher.
@bastiangalaz4580
@bastiangalaz4580 4 жыл бұрын
Socrates is the first sonichu
@thisisasupersayin376
@thisisasupersayin376 4 жыл бұрын
Stronger than all his classmates in the Philosopher Fighting Acadamy.
@Armendicus
@Armendicus 4 жыл бұрын
@@thisisasupersayin376 that actually sounds like a good anime
@Red-mg4ro
@Red-mg4ro 4 жыл бұрын
Plato: And that's my view on the subject. Other philosopher: But what about-? Plato: *Flexes so hard his tunic tears* OP: Sound reasoning, I retract my argument.
@necronsouls404
@necronsouls404 4 жыл бұрын
I love how the 2 big theories of Diogenes's death are A) he fought with a rabid dog over a piece of meat, got bit, and the bite wound got infected and he died from that, or B) he wanted to prove a point (of which I do not remember the subject) and forced himself to not breath, killing himself what a chad that man was
@stekra3159
@stekra3159 3 жыл бұрын
Well know the underworld will have to deal with him and Carion is going to be so allowed.
@juniperblackenstine2156
@juniperblackenstine2156 3 жыл бұрын
Not to be a hater because I sure as hell couldn't be as cool as the big guy, but wouldn't holding your breath just make you faint because your body is like 'What the hell man?' or was the man just built differently?
@roelant8069
@roelant8069 3 жыл бұрын
The funniest story surrounding his death is in my opinion when people asked him how he wanted to be buried. He asked to be thrown outside the city walls. When people brought up that his corpse would be eaten by animals he asked them to give him a stick to fend them off. When people questioned why he'd ask for the stick when he'd be unconscious and unable to defend himself he replied by asking why he'd need to concern himself with those animals eating him is he wasn't gonna be conscious anyways
@firstnext5482
@firstnext5482 3 жыл бұрын
@@juniperblackenstine2156 No one answered you, which is a bummer. Yeah, in theory you can't hold your breath to death because you'd just pass out and your body automatically begins breathing again so you're good to go. The thing there though is Diogenes was hella old when he died. If you're old, your body ain't that good. Him holding his breath could've been enough to start a heart attack so zip zap zop, Diogenes died because he went "nah fuck life" held his breath and fuckin' died.. This has been my shitty Ted Talk.
@chaosreaver3597
@chaosreaver3597 3 жыл бұрын
My two favourite things about Diogenes not mentioned in the video, it was reported he was always surround pack of stray dogs, he loved dogs especially strays because he thought that they were the ultimate expression of a care-free life. And he was once asked (this might be apocryphal, as there is only one source I could find) what he wanted done with his body after he died, he told the man asking the question, "dump my body outside the city walls and let the wolves have me". The man was horrified by this and asked his why he would want let his body be desecrated like that. Diogenes' reply "Well give my body a stick, I'll do my best to fight the wolves off". It might be the earliest record of someone saying, I'll be too dead to care about what happens to my corpse.
@DaBezzzz
@DaBezzzz 4 жыл бұрын
"Beyond being a bibliophile and a tank, Plato was also a nerd." I love this channel.
@hastaman321
@hastaman321 4 жыл бұрын
Alexander: "Nice to meet you, I'm famous" Diogenes: "Get bent" Alexander: "He's so cool!"
@genieglasslamp5028
@genieglasslamp5028 4 жыл бұрын
Sempai noticed me! UWU!!
@svarf1752
@svarf1752 4 жыл бұрын
Alexander: ,,Bring me a Barrel, I'm living here now!" Makedons: ,,...but my King, the Persian Campaign...." Alexander: ,,Oh fine, but afterwards I'll live here!"
@alexemy2463
@alexemy2463 4 жыл бұрын
Alexander and Hephaestion were already pretty bent tbf
@jiminbang5822
@jiminbang5822 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexemy2463 XD
@BroganCoovert34
@BroganCoovert34 4 жыл бұрын
more like Diogenes "Hi famous I'm Diogenes" Alexander "He's so cool!"
@silvergiovanni2658
@silvergiovanni2658 4 жыл бұрын
Plato: jacked wrestling philosopher A sound soul dwells within a sound mind and a sound body
@nunyobidniz
@nunyobidniz 4 жыл бұрын
_Read 'Apology' or I'll eat your soul._ 😆
@olotocolo
@olotocolo 4 жыл бұрын
I might be wrong but greeks had general love for beauty and thus also love for beauty of the body. There was this idea that not seeing your body at it's peak at least once is a horrible waste. So I would say they would totally agree with sound mind dwells in sound body. Althought that exact slogan was created much later if i recall correctly.
@katsala918
@katsala918 4 жыл бұрын
And then Aristotle transforms into a scythe
@apokos8871
@apokos8871 4 жыл бұрын
@@olotocolo yes and no. Plato started wrestling and sports as a teen, as was the norm with young boys, before he met Socrates and started studying philosophy. Socrates didnt really care about his looks, he had a beer belly and wasnt attractive in any physical way
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there You're cool m8 😁
@IeshiAke
@IeshiAke 4 жыл бұрын
Blue: allegedly getting the nickname Platus, meaning broad, because of his- Me: broad knowledge, how original Blue: wrestling coach. Me: excuse me, what?
@starfishhugger6232
@starfishhugger6232 4 жыл бұрын
*Plato rips off shirt.* "LETS DEBATE, LITTLE MAN!"
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
Plato knew how to deal with people who were talking shit.
@cubesgames6213
@cubesgames6213 4 жыл бұрын
@@zoro115-s6b with the exception of Diogenes
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@cubesgames6213 Plato: "I could kick your ass." Diogenes: "So?" Plato: "............."
@kacperdrabikowski5074
@kacperdrabikowski5074 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, one of his extremely short biographies I've read said that his nickname derives from Greek for, moreless "broad-shoulered". In essence, ripped.
@juliaspaghetti7466
@juliaspaghetti7466 4 жыл бұрын
When asked what motivates him Diogenes responded with “spite.”
@VivaLaDnDLogs
@VivaLaDnDLogs 2 жыл бұрын
It's a powerful motivator.
@wyrmofvt
@wyrmofvt 3 жыл бұрын
Gorgias: "...and that's why I don't owe you rent." Landlord: "Well, if everything is transient and aetherial, then your apartment is as well, and it just ceased to exist. And that's why you don't have an apartment. Get out."
@yoyo51010
@yoyo51010 3 жыл бұрын
since thereis no out or in i wont move
@vullord666
@vullord666 3 жыл бұрын
"If the apartment no longer exists, you aren't losing money letting me sleep in an empty space".
@wyrmofvt
@wyrmofvt 3 жыл бұрын
@@vullord666 "If all you need is empty space, why are you so insistent on staying in this particular empty space? Do us both a favor and get out. That way you can have your empty space, and I can have mine."
@Johnhasa1
@Johnhasa1 2 жыл бұрын
@@wyrmofvt "I am here. Why should I move?"
@wyrmofvt
@wyrmofvt 2 жыл бұрын
@@Johnhasa1 "Because I'm about to store some rather heavy stone here and you'll find breathing rather difficult with it on top of you. Or not. I'll just have your remains cleared away."
@herohades2230
@herohades2230 4 жыл бұрын
"Greek Wise Guys, or How Long Can We Talk About This Before We Inevitably Talk About Diogenes"
@adastial2104
@adastial2104 4 жыл бұрын
Tru
@SomeAHole
@SomeAHole 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes wins on account of being so cool that he is the most well known homeless person to ever exist
@BookWyrmOnAString
@BookWyrmOnAString 4 жыл бұрын
Holes counterexample: Adam and eve
@copper803
@copper803 4 жыл бұрын
@@BookWyrmOnAString but they arent cool
@BookWyrmOnAString
@BookWyrmOnAString 4 жыл бұрын
@@copper803 u right. U very right
@beccag2758
@beccag2758 4 жыл бұрын
“He was so convinced he was right everyone just went along with it” Gosh dang it’s high school all over again
@sarahconder9609
@sarahconder9609 4 жыл бұрын
Gosh darn it, its my day off!
@PrinceNikkoTethlar
@PrinceNikkoTethlar 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, Highschool never ends. They've made a song about it after all.
@DeathnoteBB
@DeathnoteBB 4 жыл бұрын
High school? More like modern American politics
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 4 жыл бұрын
The world would be *so* much better if that behavior was exclusive to high school. Sadly, it's just basic human nature, sort of like how it's easier to infiltrate into places you shouldn't be if you just act confident about being there.* *Effectiveness is dependent upon context and persons interacted with. Infiltration not guaranteed. No refunds.
@TheOverArchiver
@TheOverArchiver 4 жыл бұрын
That hit me in the, well, everything.
@anyataylor5333
@anyataylor5333 4 жыл бұрын
“Aristotle is Usually Wrong” .... That’s just a major understatement but you do you.
@HimitsuHunter
@HimitsuHunter 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. We like Aristotle because he's the foundation of the scientific methodology... but boy oh boy... he's definitely one to point to when pointing out that a house is more than just it's foundations...
@stilltmg
@stilltmg 4 жыл бұрын
"I mean after all, you are the Aristotle of figuring out which convoluted ideas to throttle."
@scottbruckner4653
@scottbruckner4653 4 жыл бұрын
"BEHOLD. A MAN."
@DeathnoteBB
@DeathnoteBB 4 жыл бұрын
@@HimitsuHunter Wait I thought that was Socrates who founded the scientific method. Hence it also being called “the Socratic method”
@MortimerZabi
@MortimerZabi 4 жыл бұрын
His metaphysics were fun. His physics were crap.
@Tobbs96
@Tobbs96 4 жыл бұрын
You're surprised the Athenians liked having Diogenes around? If that kind of LEGEND lived near my house I'd be absolutely thrilled.
@galfinsp7216
@galfinsp7216 3 жыл бұрын
It’d certainly be fun to live with someone who didn’t give a funky fresh
@kusaisama
@kusaisama 3 жыл бұрын
@@galfinsp7216 and peed on you.
@solaris9426
@solaris9426 3 жыл бұрын
@@kusaisama even more so if you're into that kind of thing.
@nowhereman6019
@nowhereman6019 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone loves that one crazy homeless guy
@Voitan
@Voitan 2 жыл бұрын
He'd be peeing on it.
@thefakeslimshady8881
@thefakeslimshady8881 2 жыл бұрын
You missed the best part of the Diogenes meeting Alexander story. Reportedly after asking him to move to the side and stop blocking his sun Alexander turned to his guards and said “if I was not Alexander I would want to be Diogenes” and Diogenes replied “if I was not Diogenes I would also want to be Diogenes”
@AishathFauzaaIbrahim
@AishathFauzaaIbrahim 11 ай бұрын
Lol
@TheHorseOutside
@TheHorseOutside 4 жыл бұрын
“You’ll have to forgive Democritus for not having access to the Large Hadron Collider” I most certainly WILL NOT good sir. NEVER!
@Freekymoho
@Freekymoho 4 жыл бұрын
really, it's an unforgivable oversight.
@TheBatmobeale
@TheBatmobeale 4 жыл бұрын
Damn him! Damn his britches!!
@TheHorseOutside
@TheHorseOutside 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBatmobeale cut up his britches, what do we get? MORE GOTDAMN BRITCHES!
@whatthewhatthe9117
@whatthewhatthe9117 4 жыл бұрын
I mean toddlers are just small hadron colliders
@Midsomnyx
@Midsomnyx 4 жыл бұрын
I now know the first thing I'm doing if I get a time machine.
@almostirrelevant9181
@almostirrelevant9181 4 жыл бұрын
“Uncomfortably influential Aristotle” lol. As a philosophy major who’s minoring in history, this is too real.
@moribell1083
@moribell1083 4 жыл бұрын
It’s funny, I’m thinking of minoring in philosophy as I major in history. I’ve came to the same conclusion.
@sobitasadullah4517
@sobitasadullah4517 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you poor soul. You majored in philosophy.
@bificommander7472
@bificommander7472 4 жыл бұрын
I studied physics, and IIRC in a history-of-science course there was a bit gushing about how Aristotle's views on physics stood until the 16th century and his views on biology lasted until the 18th or something. Of course, one could also say it took that long for people to stop admiring the great wise master long enough to find out he was wrong. And while theories being wrong and getting replaced by better ones is a natural part of science, his mistakes included some real whoppers. I believe he's the one who had reasoned that women must have fewer teeth than men. And that remained the scientific consensus for centuries until someone just counted the things.
@SomeDude2441
@SomeDude2441 3 жыл бұрын
@@moribell1083 8g 8i8
@SomeDude2441
@SomeDude2441 3 жыл бұрын
@@moribell1083 8
@MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing
@MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing 4 жыл бұрын
"For every Plato's Republic there is an equal and opposite Diogenes peeing at a banquet." is gonna be the intro i use with my students next time we cover athens XD
@tynorstrom2761
@tynorstrom2761 4 жыл бұрын
wanna entertain your class? Seriously go talk about Diogenes all lecture, people will be HOWLING
@cheezeguyLOZ
@cheezeguyLOZ 4 жыл бұрын
"Everyone is competing for the most galaxy-brains take on the world" So ancient Greek philosophy is just late night tumblr?
@sunshadowkitten8487
@sunshadowkitten8487 3 жыл бұрын
But with like big words and stuff right? I don't think these ancient dudes would be saying "yeet" or "OwO".
@ohadgoldhagen1095
@ohadgoldhagen1095 3 жыл бұрын
@@sunshadowkitten8487 I have a new idea for a history anime.
@Punaparta
@Punaparta 3 жыл бұрын
@@sunshadowkitten8487 Are you sure that's not just due to translator bias?
@torcaace
@torcaace 2 жыл бұрын
@@sunshadowkitten8487 they would definetly say owo. They were furries (there are pots depicting men fucking sphinxes)
@ratticusthewinion
@ratticusthewinion 2 жыл бұрын
@@torcaace have you seen that one Tumblr post about how Thoth (Egyptian god of learning) is written in Greek? it would not be wrong for an ancient man to ask "Θωθ, what's this?"
@345635356
@345635356 4 жыл бұрын
Besides Diogenes, my favorite ancient greek philosophy story is that Aristotle got so sick and tired of bad arguments that he put together a list of logical fallacies, which is kinda like getting so tired of someone you write an essay on it and then proceed to bludgeon them on the head with the hardcover of said essay... the man may have been wrong on matters of science but I have to admire the commitment to logical methodology
@jasperdracona
@jasperdracona 2 жыл бұрын
We should do this again honestly Like all those turns of phrase that everyone misuses Example: “a couple bad apples” - ‘spoils the barrel’
@starfishhugger6232
@starfishhugger6232 4 жыл бұрын
When people try to argue politics at me I reflexively turn into a Gorgias. I once had my family open up a sudden debate at the dinner table about why murder rates were so high in certain states. One side insisted it was because of guns while the other side argued it was because of drugs. When everyone unanimously insisted I take a side, I insisted it could be because murder is fun, because they didn't have consistent evidence one way or the other, and none of them knew enough about murdering a person to disprove this hypothesis. And they all let me eat my spaghetti in peace. The End. lol
@TheOverArchiver
@TheOverArchiver 4 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@Fanimati0n
@Fanimati0n 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreenKnight343 *ancient solutions in this case
@ms_scribbles
@ms_scribbles 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for them, they don't understand that without guns, drugs have a harder time of leading to a lot of murder. Especially since a lot of other weapons are much harder to handle while high as a kite than guns are. That's just objective fact that doesn't even have to go into morality or any sort of philosophy. Just, "guns are too OP, must nerf."
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@ms_scribbles I'm down for all guns in the world being thanos-snapped out of existence because then more people would sword fight me.
@LawkzBro
@LawkzBro 4 жыл бұрын
I also wouldn't bother the meal of someone who just non-ironically suggested that "murder is fun".
@michaelscott6022
@michaelscott6022 4 жыл бұрын
"Polyphemus, who hurt you?" "Nobody! Nobody hurt me!!" "Nobody hurt you? Did you trip and fall down the hill?" "Maybe he just wants attention by pretending to be in pain?" "But how can we be sure? Does pain even exist? Or is it a concept only in our heads-- _OW!_ What was that for?!"
@leohex8767
@leohex8767 4 жыл бұрын
"Well its official, Pain Exists!!!!"
@ulisesdimopulos4376
@ulisesdimopulos4376 4 жыл бұрын
My real name isn’t nobody it’s ^^^
@Valery0p5
@Valery0p5 4 жыл бұрын
"For f- sake: ULISSES STABBED ME IN THE EYE, OK?"
@ulisesdimopulos4376
@ulisesdimopulos4376 4 жыл бұрын
**10 years of suffering intensifies*
@leohex8767
@leohex8767 4 жыл бұрын
@@Valery0p5 "What is but a single eye in exchange for certain philosophical truth, Polyphemus?"
@burnin8able
@burnin8able 4 жыл бұрын
Personally, I like the other account of Alexander meeting Diogenes, where they meet while Diogenes is sifting through a massive pile of skeletons and bones. Alexander asks him what he's doing, and Diogenes just replies with "Looking for the bones of your father, but I cannot distinguish them from the bones of slaves." Diogenes was the OG comrade.
@caramelwinged2536
@caramelwinged2536 4 жыл бұрын
That is on par with the plucked chicken and I also like that account
@sramtae5820
@sramtae5820 3 жыл бұрын
Did Alexander visit Diogenes once in a while just to get roasted ?
@someonerandom8552
@someonerandom8552 3 жыл бұрын
@@sramtae5820 That’s my headcanon
@keithcarson7638
@keithcarson7638 3 жыл бұрын
@@sramtae5820 In before we had the Wendy's twitter account. He was the original shitposter.
@unlucky_2nd897
@unlucky_2nd897 3 жыл бұрын
@@sramtae5820 Alexander the M
@lol101lol101lol10199
@lol101lol101lol10199 3 жыл бұрын
Kings in the Middle Ages: We hire court jesters to roast us and say rude sh-t at our expense that serious people wouldn't dare. Alexander: Have I ever told you about my favorite philosopher?
@MxCAT7
@MxCAT7 3 жыл бұрын
Diogenes story: When some folks (idk, those pirates you mentioned?? memory ish wonky) invaded Athens, he Did Not Care (tm). At some point, though, he climbed out of his barrel, stood up and started rolling the barrel to the other side of the forum. Once he reached the other side he turned around and started rolling it back. Back where he started he turned around again, and he continued like that. When someone asked him what in Zeus' name he was doing he replied: "Everyone is running about all busy and panicky, it felt weird just sitting here, so I got up to look busy as well." And that, ladies, gents and gentlethems, is why he is my Favourite.
@Sirhc_B8207
@Sirhc_B8207 2 жыл бұрын
I read something similar, but it was simply something like "I'm making myself as useful/productive as everybody else"
@blazeswordpaladin9357
@blazeswordpaladin9357 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes is a philosopher that despite his crudity had some really interesting things to say about conformity. Also the memes are just golden. Plus, when people made fun of him for living in the streets like a dog and tossed him some bones (note: "cynic" comes from the greek word "κύνας" which means "dog"), he peed on them so...
@Fanimati0n
@Fanimati0n 4 жыл бұрын
He also bit them
@blazeswordpaladin9357
@blazeswordpaladin9357 4 жыл бұрын
@@Fanimati0n Absolute Mad Lad
@blazeswordpaladin9357
@blazeswordpaladin9357 4 жыл бұрын
@@Fanimati0n Absolute Mad Lad
@blazeswordpaladin9357
@blazeswordpaladin9357 4 жыл бұрын
@Frost E Bear We need to revive Diogenes, teach him English, and introduce him to 4chan
@Punishthefalse
@Punishthefalse 4 жыл бұрын
@@blazeswordpaladin9357 But he would then consider 4chan to be superfluous, unsubscribe from the internet, throw the computer into a thrash bin, and proceed to just go find the posters to troll personally. On foot.
@MsPageMistress
@MsPageMistress 4 жыл бұрын
...this Gorgias sounds fascinating for the Helen thing alone. And just imagine Plato wrestling some dude and thinking super deep things. Diogenes: a bit of a philosophical troll, but not exactly wrong. Democritius: Not only was right about the atom, but honestly his tree chopping explanation still works for actually explaining atoms. Now, Fs and sad emojis for the lost classical literature! F😭
@nunyobidniz
@nunyobidniz 4 жыл бұрын
F
@carbonmonteroy
@carbonmonteroy 4 жыл бұрын
F
@nonya1366
@nonya1366 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes troll logic works.
@stephenflint3640
@stephenflint3640 4 жыл бұрын
Is it really being a troll if the hot takes being spat are actually fundamentally sound? Yes, especially after the guy bit the shit out of you for commentating on his ideas
@Kuwagumo
@Kuwagumo 4 жыл бұрын
F
@supremeleaderaiden1211
@supremeleaderaiden1211 4 жыл бұрын
Philosophy today: nothing is real philosophy in ancient times: HOW TO BEAT EVERYONE IN AN ARGUMENT, TALK DOWN TO CONQUERORS, AND PEE IN THE STREET!
@omnitroph1501
@omnitroph1501 3 жыл бұрын
ALSO NOTHING IS REAL!
@carso1500
@carso1500 3 жыл бұрын
@@omnitroph1501 and sometimes "EVERYTHING IS MADE OF FIRE"
@omnitroph1501
@omnitroph1501 3 жыл бұрын
@@carso1500 NO, IT'S ALL MADE OF WATER YOU NUMBSKULL!
@firstnext5482
@firstnext5482 3 жыл бұрын
@@omnitroph1501 YOU'RE BOTH WRONG, EVERYTHING IS NUMBERS AND EQUATIONS
@omnitroph1501
@omnitroph1501 3 жыл бұрын
@@firstnext5482 SHUT UP NEWTON, MATH HASN'T BEEN INVENTED YET
@jacobschneider1455
@jacobschneider1455 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite story of Diogenes is when he walked through Athens in broad daylight with a lit lantern with the goal of “looking for an honest man”
@TheNeonParadox
@TheNeonParadox 3 жыл бұрын
"While Athens and Sparta were busy having their little spear fight, Democritus was over here figuring out atomic theory." Possibly the greatest line in the history of KZbin.
@i_am_Emmet
@i_am_Emmet 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine you’re just chilling and some random dude runs in with a featherless chicken screaming “BEHOLD A MAN!” That would be hilarious
@Hoobastomp
@Hoobastomp 3 жыл бұрын
You should read up on the other Cynics (because Cynicism was an entire school of philosophy, although one with no "teachers" - you would just roll up one day and follow the example of some homeless guy), like Crates of Thebes. He was known as the Door Opener, because he would just randomly walk into people's houses and yell at them for having possessions and not being homeless and virtuous like him. And it worked! Apparently the Cynics were surprisingly successful in convincing people to abandon material possessions and live in the streets. I've read an ancient Stoic essay that basically said, "For the love of god stop listening to the Cynics, they're all assholes and you'll make your parents sad."
@thebowiththemost119
@thebowiththemost119 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hoobastomp now I am just imagining a homeless man high on crack breaking into a house and yelling “you should be like me! Give up your possessions! Live a truly free life!” While the parents either call 911 or get the shotgun and the kids are in a corner crying in terror.
@alecchristiaen4856
@alecchristiaen4856 2 жыл бұрын
Just see a hobo with a chicken running for the nearest university.
@jose-qp4yz
@jose-qp4yz 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Hoobastomp do you remember the title of the Stoic essay? quite interested in reading it
@nano65114
@nano65114 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoobastomp Shitposting. A practice as old as time.
@Emily-tv1iz
@Emily-tv1iz 4 жыл бұрын
Aristotle thought women had less teeth than men and nobody thought to check that. I can't even wrap my head around that. I can kinda let slide some of his bad hot takes but like women aren't exactly a rare commodity. Just ask one to open her mouth and voila! Theory disproven.
@custodeon
@custodeon 4 жыл бұрын
That's certainly an interesting way to spell "voila"
@Emily-tv1iz
@Emily-tv1iz 4 жыл бұрын
@@custodeon my brain broke trying to spell words today
@randombencounter263
@randombencounter263 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't he also claim that flies have 4 legs, or was that Pliny? I know one of the old dead dudes said it
@DISTurbedwaffle918
@DISTurbedwaffle918 4 жыл бұрын
If I recall, women are more prone to needing their wisdom teeth removed than men are. So sometimes this is accurate.
@tomfillot5453
@tomfillot5453 4 жыл бұрын
He also, you know, wrote the entire rest of the Animalia, which compiles most of the earliest description of anything living, way more.often than not accurate (and reporting folk's legends as such). The Animalia being the first attempt ever in systematic classification of life, an effort than would culminate, after a long hiatus, in Darwin's work. It's easy to poke fun at the teeth thing, when we don't really know about what could have led to that. Maybe the one girl he counted the teeth of had some removed, who knows.
@danielbeaney4407
@danielbeaney4407 4 жыл бұрын
"The best place to spit in a rich mans home, is his face." Yep sounds like something a man who lived in a barrel would say. Also fun fact Diogenes not only pissed in the street or banquet tables. He also pissed on people who disagreed with him
@Fanimati0n
@Fanimati0n 4 жыл бұрын
& bit them
@stephenflint3640
@stephenflint3640 4 жыл бұрын
I'd definitely prefer wet sandals over getting mauled.
@anelbegic2780
@anelbegic2780 4 жыл бұрын
What a legend. If only he wws born in the modern day.
@edmundthespiffing2920
@edmundthespiffing2920 4 жыл бұрын
What an absolute lad
@slithra227
@slithra227 4 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just that they disagreed, people also harassed him all the time and kids would follow him around so honestly he's probably in the right here
@WilyGryphon
@WilyGryphon 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes the Cynic was just awesome. Another great exchange between him and Alexander the Waking Parasol: When Alexander noticed Diogenes looking attentively at a pile of human bones and asked what he was doing, Diogenes replied with, "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave."
@-AirKat-
@-AirKat- 4 жыл бұрын
“What is a man? A miserable featherless biped”
@rosenberg2497
@rosenberg2497 3 жыл бұрын
A plucked chicken would not be very happy
@StarshadowMelody
@StarshadowMelody 3 жыл бұрын
You just made me realize "pile of secrets" has the same number of syllables as "featherless biped"
@Sirhc_B8207
@Sirhc_B8207 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarshadowMelody every time I hear/read "featherless biped", I hear the splat noise from Sam O'Nella's video on Diogenes
@artemiswolf4508
@artemiswolf4508 4 жыл бұрын
“Aristotles was wrong about almost everything” Me, after taking one ethics class: well I could’ve told you that
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo 4 жыл бұрын
Well rhbe fair virtue ethics have merit its a decent system even if his end point is wrong
@The_Murder_Party
@The_Murder_Party 4 жыл бұрын
Or physics. Edit: embarrassingly, I spelled „or“ wrong.
@marsh4833
@marsh4833 4 жыл бұрын
But you didn't 👀
@KarlKristofferJohnsson
@KarlKristofferJohnsson 4 жыл бұрын
@@The_Murder_Party Well, now I'm really curious about how you spelled it before the edit?
@RichardLightburn
@RichardLightburn 4 жыл бұрын
Aristotle is wrong about much more than ethics (his defense of slavery is criminal) and physics. Also, consider his theory of poetry: of the roughly one dozen dramatists active in the classical era, and the several hundred plays that they wrote, only three writers left plays more or less intact fewer than fifty plays. Of this sliver, Aristotle's theory explains three or maybe four. Now it's a nice theory. Much can be said in favor of his theory of tragedy; but explanatory power it hasn't got.
@kaithos392
@kaithos392 4 жыл бұрын
Students: "So Plato, what do you think of that Diogenes guy?" Plato (probably facepalming): "He is a Socrates...gone mad."
@josephperez2004
@josephperez2004 3 жыл бұрын
The whole thing with Socrates and his eventually execution by Athens was nuts because he basically double dared them to kill him by suggesting that they should punish him with and insultingly small fine instead, which got the few people that were sort of on the fence about passing a death sentence on an old man who just talked too much easily over it. Then his death sentence got dragged out much longer than it should have because it was illegal to execute anyone during a certain event that ended up lasting much longer than normal. All the while Socrates stubbornly refused to either apologize and seek mercy or even to attempt to escape Athens. He basically died on principle.
@jachinnelson5786
@jachinnelson5786 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephperez2004 Socrates found his hill, and nobody could convince him to not die on it
@daviddaugherty2816
@daviddaugherty2816 11 ай бұрын
He was so contrary, he hamstrung his own legal defense. That is commitment to a bit.
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite things I heard Diogenes do was when Aristotle was busy saying that every object had a perfect ethereal form. Diogenes then argued: But that would mean there is a perfect void. Aristotle said: yes there would be Diogenes then said: Where Aristotle paused for a moment before Diogenes walked up to him and poked his head and said: There
@eaglehood224
@eaglehood224 2 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Diogenes pulled the same trick on Plato so I guess he learned form this experience
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 2 жыл бұрын
@@eaglehood224 I think with Plato it was a chicken but yeah
@eaglehood224
@eaglehood224 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathstar6998 "BEHOLD! PLATO'S MAN"
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 2 жыл бұрын
@@eaglehood224 Yes, total troll man XD
@ragingphoenix6196
@ragingphoenix6196 2 жыл бұрын
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
@miller_niki1982
@miller_niki1982 4 жыл бұрын
“By some definitions a coconut could be classified as a mammal. What?!” Thank you, Blue, I needed that today!
@jmurray1110
@jmurray1110 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a reason we use a fuel nested hierarchy
@Xalerdane
@Xalerdane 11 ай бұрын
It’s covered in hair and produces milk.
@jmd9402
@jmd9402 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna see gorgias and diogenes just randomly encounter each other and start having a debate that becomes the philosophy equivalent of a prank war.
@ploppman7524
@ploppman7524 4 жыл бұрын
I love the illustration of Diogenes. It radiates pure "I'm done with this"-energy.
@jamesphillips531
@jamesphillips531 4 жыл бұрын
Diogenes: "If there is a reason, then there is a hole to poke. That's why I pee in the streets."
@plate_fox
@plate_fox 4 жыл бұрын
All Florida men share him as an ancestor
@jamesphillips531
@jamesphillips531 4 жыл бұрын
@@plate_fox as a florida man I can confirm this
@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement
@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement 4 жыл бұрын
If all Floridian men share ancestry with Diogenes, then I'd say they only inherited the trait of 'peeing in the streets.' Having a reason for doing it is likely not included. Lol
@Armendicus
@Armendicus 4 жыл бұрын
@@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement yeah but scientists don't know why. Also they inherited mastery over reptiles as they manage to not get bit during their antics.
@DatBoi-gi3vq
@DatBoi-gi3vq 4 жыл бұрын
@@Armendicus this is a byproduct of the inherent animalfriend genes in the Diogenes the original had an army of street dogs whom he was bros with
@HoneydewBeach
@HoneydewBeach 4 жыл бұрын
Let’s be real here, everyone couldn’t stop laughing when they first heard about Diogenes
@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780
@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, I firts heard of him when my cousin told me about him and Alexander (not the funny part, only the badass part), the second time, however, I laugh
@Tianna616
@Tianna616 3 жыл бұрын
That man is goals
@elcorpus2000
@elcorpus2000 3 жыл бұрын
Is funnier if you're hispanic because you eventually will hear that he lived in a barrel like a very famous character called Chavo
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 4 жыл бұрын
Socrates was twitch steamer to pulled off amazing players but could never be bothered to record them. Plato was his dedicated viewers who could not let those 360 no-scopes go unseen so he clips them and uploads compilations on KZbin. I don't have the time for twitch so I thank all the Plato's out there on KZbin. Good job.
@tiamat9874
@tiamat9874 3 жыл бұрын
Turns out Plato is also a god but he pretends its Socrates
@thehalfnegativeoptimist4578
@thehalfnegativeoptimist4578 3 жыл бұрын
I love how red and blue always use terms like “ Alexander the pretty all right” or “ Alexander the not especially studious”
@isabelheiner631
@isabelheiner631 3 жыл бұрын
It really is amazing and painful the one time Blue says "Great" in that one Alexander video. XD
@LordDeathwing17
@LordDeathwing17 3 жыл бұрын
My favorites are “Alexander the Thoroughly Miffed” and “Alex-SAND-er the Is-Coarse-And-Rough-And-Irritating-And-It-Gets-Everywhere”
@Phantom-qr1ug
@Phantom-qr1ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@LordDeathwing17 Can't forget the classic "Alexander the Pretty Alright" and "Alexander the Not-Actually-That-Bad-When-You-Get-To-Know-Him"
@WHATTHEHELL666
@WHATTHEHELL666 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite is "Alexander the Twink" because it's funny./g
@daviddaugherty2816
@daviddaugherty2816 11 ай бұрын
I can't remember what video, but Blue once used "Alexander the Plot Armor".
@fullmetaltheorist
@fullmetaltheorist 4 жыл бұрын
So basically Aristotle is like my math teacher. He always gets thing wrong but nobody should question him cause he's the one teaching us, even though he's wrong most of the time.
@MrSamulai
@MrSamulai 4 жыл бұрын
So he's also wrong about the fact that he's teaching you.
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
I had a few times in school where the teacher would say something, and I'd be like: "Well, actually...." And the teacher would actually say: "Yes, I know that's not actually correct, but it's what's in the curriculum and it's the answer that's going to be on the test."
@gormauslander
@gormauslander 4 жыл бұрын
@@zoro115-s6b the fault in our curriculum
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@gormauslander When the schools are still teaching something even though the teachers and students both know it's bullshit, you know your education system is trash.
@gormauslander
@gormauslander 4 жыл бұрын
@@zoro115-s6b agree. Also if they're teaching stuff you won't remember because you won't use it, you're just wasting time
@wanderingursa8184
@wanderingursa8184 4 жыл бұрын
I want a movie about Plato. And I want Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to play him.
@pactimnoob1131
@pactimnoob1131 3 жыл бұрын
This would be one of the best movies
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 3 жыл бұрын
But Plato was an ancient White European. Wouldn't that be like having a Hispanic actor play Confucius?
@CD-BVL
@CD-BVL 3 жыл бұрын
@@benthomason3307 yeah bro but c'mon is the ROCK!
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 3 жыл бұрын
@@CD-BVL which is another good reason not to do it. I could see him playing Achilles if you put him in whiteface, but don't you think someone like a philosopher would be better suited for Leonard Nimoy?
@CD-BVL
@CD-BVL 3 жыл бұрын
@@benthomason3307 this comment is more like a joke bro, cuz if the Rock was gonna play Plato it would be a parody Plato because the rock makes mostly ridiculous movies about Chads who get tons of girls and save the world.
@kitsunefirefox1986
@kitsunefirefox1986 4 жыл бұрын
Athenian student: Master the hour is late may we go home? Plato (throws off robe) Until you pin me class is not over! Random student: Please be reasonable Plato: Stop crying & fight your tutor!
@anelbegic2780
@anelbegic2780 4 жыл бұрын
Ill be honest i read that the wrong way and sexy sax man started playing in my head until the second half of your comment.
@blarg2429
@blarg2429 4 жыл бұрын
@@anelbegic2780 Many Greek philosophers were _like that_ too actually. Plato considered boning your students to be unprofessional and that's why we use the word "platonic" to mean "lacking in romantic or sexual elements."
@anelbegic2780
@anelbegic2780 4 жыл бұрын
@@blarg2429 you would think the greeks if all people would be okay with it, do you know if this was the norm or was plato the exeption for non-philosophers as well?
@blarg2429
@blarg2429 4 жыл бұрын
@@anelbegic2780 Plato was the exception, I believe.
@gingermcgingin1733
@gingermcgingin1733 4 жыл бұрын
"What is this, Sparta?"
@Soy_boi
@Soy_boi 4 жыл бұрын
My philosophy teacher was like a holy mix of Socrates and Diogenes. So just 100% done with people
@generalvictorironraven.1347
@generalvictorironraven.1347 4 жыл бұрын
"Alexander the big deal King guy who was on his way to conquer the everything" One of the best sentences I've heard said out loud!
@nicolebee3283
@nicolebee3283 4 жыл бұрын
Wise guys *Diogenes has entered the chat*
@TheSpearkan
@TheSpearkan 4 жыл бұрын
BEHOLD A MAN
@zelktheinvader7874
@zelktheinvader7874 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSpearkan BEHOLD AN UNTHINKABLE PRESENT
@connorthompson66
@connorthompson66 4 жыл бұрын
"In a rich man's house, there is no place to spit but his face." -Diogenes
@Vfox1983
@Vfox1983 4 жыл бұрын
So that makes me wonder, who is histories earliest known troll? Because living in a barrel because houses are for losers, plucking a chicken to make a point and metaphorically rubbing it in other philosophers faces and telling the clepto-king to move out of his sunlight is pretty epic. Haha.
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly certain Diogenes was just Oscar The Grouch.
@lith_verhen5553
@lith_verhen5553 4 жыл бұрын
i think the "behold, a man" was the top
@Vfox1983
@Vfox1983 4 жыл бұрын
@@zoro115-s6b I mean... Barrel... Trash can... Spouting helpful yet cynical advice. Yep. I agree. Hahah!
@Vfox1983
@Vfox1983 4 жыл бұрын
@@lith_verhen5553 Google how he taught others to deal with the urges of the flesh for a good chuckle. Lol
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
@@Vfox1983 And he told Alexander The Adjective to scram.
@hellocentral5551
@hellocentral5551 4 жыл бұрын
New rule: all philosophers should take one fighting class before they get their degree, just so we can have philosophical arguments end via mortal combat!
@gwest3644
@gwest3644 4 жыл бұрын
I love Diogenes. When King Perdiccas of Macedon said he would kill him if he didn’t come to him, Diogenes simply said “That’s nothing special, a beetle or tarantula could do the same thing.”
@jamesknighton4489
@jamesknighton4489 4 жыл бұрын
"It time for deep thoughts with Heinlein"
@Valery0p5
@Valery0p5 4 жыл бұрын
Heinlein: _Freud_ _was right about everything_ *Mic drop* "That concludes deep thoughts with Heinlein"
@CDexie
@CDexie 4 жыл бұрын
@@Valery0p5 _Unless its gay, of course._
@BHuang92
@BHuang92 4 жыл бұрын
If I were not Alexander, I should wish to be Diogenes. -Alexander the Great
@acelite3482
@acelite3482 4 жыл бұрын
if i were not diogenes, I should wish to be diogenes -Diogenes
@danieljames1868
@danieljames1868 4 жыл бұрын
There is something to be said for having the sheer chutzpah to look at the labyrinthine mess that is society and then just openly scoff at it.
@arandomcomment1092
@arandomcomment1092 4 жыл бұрын
Ah. The only time he showed humility
@vazak11
@vazak11 4 жыл бұрын
"When in a rich man's house the only place to spit is his face."
@arandomcomment1092
@arandomcomment1092 4 жыл бұрын
When in a rich man's house, the only food to eat is him
@catwithagun902
@catwithagun902 4 жыл бұрын
@@arandomcomment1092 ah, my friend I see you ascribe to the glorious movement of "eat the rich"
@yanshero42
@yanshero42 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm searching for the bones of your father but I cannot distinguish them from those of a slave"
@owenfrank3337
@owenfrank3337 3 жыл бұрын
God, I love this channel. You sir single-handedly made me the cool kid in my philosophy class. As a history dork in my grade 12 intro to philosophy class, I already had some prior knowledge, unfortunately, my peers did not, with a dry textbook and grouchy teacher people were confused and angry. Enter This video. Now I am hailed as a hero. So thanks?
@pathfindersavant3988
@pathfindersavant3988 4 жыл бұрын
"We live in a society" - Diogenes, probably.
@samrevlej9331
@samrevlej9331 3 жыл бұрын
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" - Plato, probably
@kusaisama
@kusaisama 3 жыл бұрын
@@samrevlej9331 Plato *probably.
@julianjpantoja4603
@julianjpantoja4603 4 жыл бұрын
I can just picture diogenese going on a morning walk with a cup of coffee in hand, sees a kid drinking from a river with his bare hands and thinks, “oh shit that’s genius” and impulsively throws out his only material possession
@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780
@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780 4 жыл бұрын
Wait... You know that or you dupossed that
@shandaniel2999
@shandaniel2999 4 жыл бұрын
I saw the words “Greek wise guys” and now I’m thinking of a mafia movie in Ancient Greece. “So did Plato guy thinks he’s a wise guy see?” “Keep talking like that and you’ll be sleeping with Poseidon.”
@stormrunner1177
@stormrunner1177 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, as long it’s not in the temple of Athena I think you’re alright. Edit: In regard to the statement on “sleeping with Poseidon”
@non-bird-nary2420
@non-bird-nary2420 4 жыл бұрын
now i want this
@SMon42
@SMon42 4 жыл бұрын
Better then zeus.
@shosty575
@shosty575 4 жыл бұрын
It's a Godfather reference y'all
@marissagalletta4452
@marissagalletta4452 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this✨✨✨
@TheDiplomancer
@TheDiplomancer 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite Diogenes vs Alexander the Something goes like this: One day, Alexander saw Diogenes in front of a pile of bones, and because he either didn't know he was about to get verbally smacked or simply because he enjoyed the cynic's masterful trolling, asked, "What are you doing?" Diogenes responded, "I am looking for the bones of your father, but I cannot distinguish them from the bones of a slave."
@valentinarunko67
@valentinarunko67 2 жыл бұрын
Worse burn than a 'yo momma' joke 😂
@ladyzapzap9514
@ladyzapzap9514 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinarunko67and FAR more classy. Masterclass vs 7 yr old with a fart joke.
@apodofseals
@apodofseals 4 жыл бұрын
"Philosophy - any deep, analytical thought on a subject" Any subject? So, does that mean that my worldbuilding for my D&D campaign is philosophy? I like this definition of philosophy.
@callefolin
@callefolin 3 жыл бұрын
Technically although not neccessarily. There is certainly a philosophy about *how* or *why* you should do it, but I wouldn't call worldbuilding itself philosophy unless you're worldbuilding as part of that deeper analytical thought on the subject.
@GilgameshofBabylon
@GilgameshofBabylon 4 жыл бұрын
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Westley: Yes. Vizzini: Morons.
@SpaceNerd117
@SpaceNerd117 4 жыл бұрын
One out of three ain't bad.
@Mazou-tj4ne
@Mazou-tj4ne 4 жыл бұрын
@@SpaceNerd117 Who exactly?
@tibfulv
@tibfulv 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mazou-tj4ne Plato.
@shockingheaven
@shockingheaven 4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: talk to Plato, but never say "fight me" when you're arguing
@jonathankent1517
@jonathankent1517 2 жыл бұрын
Plato: SQUARE UP, THOT.
@Hinatazuki
@Hinatazuki 4 жыл бұрын
Part of me wants Diogenes to tar and feather himself, walk in, and start frantically squawking: “BOK BOK I’M BIRD NOW, BOK Can I have free corn? 🥺”
@AubriGryphon
@AubriGryphon 4 жыл бұрын
Aristotle's writings are a flowing river of gold, not unlike that emanating from the men's room at a football game.
@coltonwilliams4153
@coltonwilliams4153 2 жыл бұрын
Now that sounds like a Diogenes! If he was feeling poetic.
@femoman
@femoman 3 жыл бұрын
One of my new favourite things is when Blue combines academic jargon with modern slang. For example "Citations in the Archaic period are jank-city"
@teal_m_101
@teal_m_101 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Athens, You claim to love Democracy, Yet you forced Socrates to drink hemlock because he was speaking his mind. Curious.'
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 4 жыл бұрын
Democracy and freedom of speech are two different concepts, you can have a vote and still not be allowed dissenting opinions.
@daidabus
@daidabus 4 жыл бұрын
i mean if people voted for him to get killed it's still democracy.
@coreytaylor447
@coreytaylor447 4 жыл бұрын
democracy and free speech may be considered inseparable today, but they can exist as two separate things. especially back when freedom of speech hadn't been invented yer
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 4 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greece kinda sucked. For all that Athens was an imperialist oligarchy (in the modern sense-Ancient Greece had stricter definitions of who counted as a person for political purposes), at least it wasn't Sparta with its helot population outnumbering the freedmen and citizens ~5 to 1 _and_ being treated so badly that other slave-owning Greeks criticized them for it. The other poleis weren't great, either, they just weren't as prominent in their badness. Ancient Greece sucks.
@jamesgrinsen1085
@jamesgrinsen1085 4 жыл бұрын
I’m sure they voted before killing him.
@JessWLStuart
@JessWLStuart 4 жыл бұрын
"The Philosophers Song" - Monty Pythons attempt at Blue's "History Hijinks: Greek Wise Guys"
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 4 жыл бұрын
Although, to be fair, Python also covered the 18th and 19th centuries. Emmanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable, / Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. / David Hume could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel; / and Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel. There's nothing Nietsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raising of the wrist : / Socrates himself was permanently pissed. John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, on a half a pint of shandy was particularly ill; / Plato, they say, could stick it away : half a crate of whisky every day. / Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle; / Hobbs was fond of his dram; / And René Decartes was a drunken fart : "I drink, therefore I am!" Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed : / A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed!
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@nigeldepledge3790 I just sang this out loud, and my kids are looking at me like I'm crazy. It's good to be the paterfamilias.
@alisaurus4224
@alisaurus4224 4 жыл бұрын
@@nigeldepledge3790 “just as sloshed as Schlegel” is a real tongue-twister
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 4 жыл бұрын
@@alisaurus4224 - I might be wrong, but in my recollection they actually sang it as "shloshed"....
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 3 жыл бұрын
Even as a kid, I was amazed at how Aristotle kept both a)turning up in nearly _every single textbook the school gave me,_ and B) being wrong. "You can see the logic he was working with, but he was still wrong." Is honestly a great summary of his entire worldview. In college I took a class on logic and fallacies, which shocked me, because to my knowledge that's the only field where Aristotle's ideas _actually stuck._
@dreyri2736
@dreyri2736 11 ай бұрын
Not really. His metaphysics is still talked abou. And you really cannot get anywhere without metaphysics. Science has always been just a branch of philosophy. Also, how do you know that most of what you've read in school now won't be considered wrong in the future? Do you think there is no such thing as development in science? Do you really need to give a shit about the fact that Newton believed in luminiferrous aether like everyone else at the time or that objects do not have any color outside of our senses whenever you read about gravity? You realize that even newtonian physics has been considered outdated since einstein? Yet nobody is saying that Newton was wrong like when they say Aristotle was wrong for thinking that the reason things fell to the ground was because it is in their nature to seek the ground (which, when understood a certain way, may as well just be about gravity).
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 11 ай бұрын
@@dreyri2736 science is _not_ a branch of philosophy. science is documentation of observations and inferences, while philosophy is speculation and logical arguments.
@dreyri2736
@dreyri2736 11 ай бұрын
@@benthomason3307 philosophy can also be observation and documentation. That's what philosophers have always done. They, however, also try to make sense of these things and create logical systems from it which can become their own new thing. Philosophy used to be called natural philosophy back when universities only had two courses availabke, the other one being theology. Everything you call science and the scientific method is the product of philosophical reasoning by men like Francis Bacon, Descartes, and even Empericus, whose name became empericism (he, unlike hippocrates, did not bother with trying to make a theory as to how the body worked and said it would be sufficient to only go by experience and observation as to what worked in healing people). In fact, everything except theology in universities today is just another branch of philosophy but made more specialized/dogmatic. Even stuff like literature. You know who pioneered literary criticism? Aristotle! Also, you don't document inferences. You derive them from something via reasoning. Also also, a lot of what we call "string theory" is also just speculation.
@volfi123
@volfi123 7 ай бұрын
The traditional sciences are all part of philosophy. You might get a degree that says Biology, Physics , Mathematics etc but its still a degree in philosophy.
@Athena963
@Athena963 3 жыл бұрын
You can really tell that Diogenes and Dionosys would have got along- their names even come from the same root!
@SarcasticSloth69
@SarcasticSloth69 3 жыл бұрын
I never get tired of hearing the story of Diogenes from different history videos on KZbin, especially the featherless biped part
@YiannissB.
@YiannissB. 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if history remembered you only by the name your palls gave you in the gym. "Aight kids, today will discuss the Jacked man's take on Athenian democracy." Not so glorious thy name now, ain't it Plato?
@GreMnMlin
@GreMnMlin 4 жыл бұрын
No no no, that makes it even more glorious. Imagine saying I'm reading The Jacked Man's "Republic"
@UpSky2
@UpSky2 4 жыл бұрын
Actually his nickname just amounts to .... HUGE JACKEDMAN !
@GreMnMlin
@GreMnMlin 4 жыл бұрын
@@UpSky2 that makes it even more awesome
@zoro115-s6b
@zoro115-s6b 4 жыл бұрын
TBH I'd be down for being remembered all through history not only for my philosophical takes, but also for exceptional physical strength and martial prowess. Like... Where's the downside?
@fruitygarlic3601
@fruitygarlic3601 4 жыл бұрын
"Professor, what does Caked Glute Stevie have to say about the ethics of telling lies?"
@altejoh
@altejoh 4 жыл бұрын
Aristotle and several people after him go a long way to show that the way to getting a theory of the way the world works to be well accepted isn't from being factually correct, but by being well-liked as a person. Which really sucks when it takes hundreds of years for someone else to come along and discover that it really doesn't explain the natural world at all.
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, people (most people) perceive those different from them to be a possible threat since an instinctual rule of survival even in social animals is that which is unfamiliar also can't be trusted so in order to be accepted by a large number of people it's necessary for even an exceptionally charismatic person to learn how to change the way people perceive you to their own liking. Those who are naive enough to think this isn't necessary often get forgotten by history while those for whom it comes to naturally are inclined to use it for their own benefit. It's only the rare few who can tolerate manipulating others while retaining their own honorable intentions that can get their earnest ideals to last significantly longer than themselves. Now, that isn't to say all honorable intentions are always correct and might even be more damaging since people can more easily forgive those intentions or perhaps believe them because of those intentions when they might have doubted those with more obviously malicious intent.
@georgethompson1460
@georgethompson1460 4 жыл бұрын
I mean considering these guys where all natural philosophers and mostly just thought about reality and tried to reason it through intuition rather than doing empirical experiments I think I can cut him some slack.
@shounenbat510
@shounenbat510 4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of a line from a song from the musical Wicked: When I see depressing creatures With unprepossessing features I remind them on their own behalf to think of Celebrated heads of state or Especially great communicators Did they have brains or knowledge? Don't make me laugh! They were popular! Please, it's all about popular It's not about aptitude, it's the way you're viewed So it's very shrewd to be Very, very popular like me!
@argoroco
@argoroco 4 жыл бұрын
"Ever since I can remember, I've always wanted to be a philosopher."
@ozzymetalface7363
@ozzymetalface7363 4 жыл бұрын
Exurb1a.exe
@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw
@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw 4 жыл бұрын
You think I'm funny? I amuse you?
@doofinpuss23
@doofinpuss23 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else picture Cyan walking into the room and just giving Blue back pats as he cries?
@ethanbell6762
@ethanbell6762 3 жыл бұрын
The best part of Alexander the Slightly-Above-Average-I-Guess meeting Diogenes. Everyone was terrified at Diogenes' utter lack of respect towards the great king, but Alexander laughed it off and laid beside him, and we got this exchange: Alex: You are quite an interesting man. Truly, if I were not Alexander, I would wish to be Diogenes. Diogenes: I understand. If I were not Diogenes, I too would wish to be Diogenes.
@justafallperson2108
@justafallperson2108 3 жыл бұрын
That's epic
@thedukeofchutney468
@thedukeofchutney468 4 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greek philosophy is somehow the perfect mixture of pretentious, confusing and brilliant. And I love it.
@abthedragon4921
@abthedragon4921 4 жыл бұрын
"Greek Philosophical Pantheon." Wow, if there was a shirt for every awesome OSP quote, there'd be one for each day of the year.
@ZekeGraal
@ZekeGraal 4 жыл бұрын
We'd probably have enough for a different one for each day of our life at this point lol
@marcelostalker
@marcelostalker 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the points on Aristotle here but, in his defence, he never made anyone take his ideas as absolute truth, people just did it, and I'm pretty sure he'd prefer if said people proved him wrong, for Aristotle had a love of learning and improving the overall knowledge humanity has of itself and the world us and stuff.
@melchid8448
@melchid8448 4 жыл бұрын
Also its kinda funny how people take democritus word for true when we kinda like cut atoms and has been playing with sub atomic particles for a long time. If anything I would say Aristotle is still closer to truth considering he was pretty close to understanding that anything and any matter was made out of fundamental features of universe,he just didnt had any observation of quantum particles so he went with the five element thing.
@marconarvaez9871
@marconarvaez9871 4 жыл бұрын
This is totally unrelated to anything but we both have the same name and profile picture...
@callefolin
@callefolin 3 жыл бұрын
@@melchid8448 what we call "fundamental particles" is what he meant by atoms. It's just that when we discovered what we now call atoms, we thought they couldn't be divided but Democritus reffered to the smallest non-divisible building blocks ie our fundamental particles.
@georgeedgeworth3853
@georgeedgeworth3853 4 жыл бұрын
"Loss of literature" He then proceeds to laugh and cry. Now I don't know why but I relate with Blue here
@Osric24
@Osric24 4 жыл бұрын
Lost knowledge is a travesty. We all relate with Blue here.
@serenepastel
@serenepastel 4 жыл бұрын
This actually took me back to a course on rhetoric I took in college. We read a lot of the sophists during this time and I remember the lesson on Gorgias very distinctly. When we read the Encomium of Helen, my instructor brought up the idea that with the right framing, you can make an audience feel anything. Then he preceded to play the sister murder scene of Halloween to prove that idea (using camera, lighting, and framing tricks to give the audience the impression that an unknown adult was committing the murder instead of the little brother). It was very interesting to see the ancient ideas transposed into a modern media form.
@arandomcomment1092
@arandomcomment1092 4 жыл бұрын
If Blue's the one that did the captions, then THANK YOU for doing them after youtube discontinued community subs. Not only can more people read them (deaf people, second language speakers, fuckers like me who can't understand words) they're high quality, which is at least one bonus for this mess
@legateelizabeth
@legateelizabeth 4 жыл бұрын
"Philosophy is needlessly confusing and pretentious" is an understatement. I can speak academic *fairly* well and having to translate philosophical ramblings of several paragraphs into one paragraph that gets to the point and keep a glossary on-hand of what each philosopher redefines any given Word Made Capital to mean instead of it's actual meaning makes me want to blow my own brains out. And I literally have "pretentious" in my user name. Philosophers feel like they're deliberately trying to be needlessly obtuse most of the time.
@nunyobidniz
@nunyobidniz 4 жыл бұрын
_this_
@Tomeroche
@Tomeroche 4 жыл бұрын
It's sort of needed. Ignoring Rhetoric and trying to get your ideas to spread the fact is that communication between humans is inherently limited. You can't directly beam knowledge and context into your audience's brain so you run into a lot of issues when it comes to communicating complex ideas. This isn't a problem in laymans conversations where broad strokes understanding is acceptable but when you want to communicate new information that you subject doesn't have a frame of reference for it becomes much more important to be descriptive. It's very easy to take for granted how much knowledge is available to the average person nowadays that you can forget that people at one point in history didn't know the vast majority of what we take as common knowledge. It'd be sort of like trying to file share an MP3 to the first MacIntosh computers. Yeah, every computer now can read MP3s by default but there was a point where that shit was revolutionary and trying to share that data with another computer was a crapshoot since you couldn't be sure if they had the software to play it.
@jemolk8945
@jemolk8945 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a philosopher, I feel a certain need to speak up for people in my discipline. We're always working with concepts that can't be directly investigated, and trying to use indirect investigation to get at the true nature of reality. We don't use truckloads of technical jargon just for the fun of it. We do it because we need, desperately, to be precise where normal speech is imprecise. We define terms narrowly for the sake of a single paper, sometimes in ways different from other people and other papers, because we're trying to talk about things that have no normal words to talk about them. Usually that's because one way of looking at them has simply been assumed for so long that it's seen as "normal" and any alternative is unthinkable. I suppose you could say that we use as much obscure and technical language as we do because, ironically, we're trying really hard to _not_ be like Aristotle or his followers, and trying to question assumptions like the ones they made.
@legateelizabeth
@legateelizabeth 4 жыл бұрын
@@jemolk8945 And while I appreciate that communicating ideas is hard, I still feel you could absolutely take it down a notch and not be SO wordy, it feels like it's academia for academia's sake sometimes (or possibly just because reading all that stuff for so long results in writing the same way without realising it). At the very least borrow from Germans and invent new words rather than capitalising old ones - even laymen know what "zeitgeist" means, but having to find which specific example of "Meaning" or "Nature" any given philosopher is using and then jumping between philosophers and so changing the meaning of the word *again* is going to drive me mad and causes more confusion than it solves. It's just so outsider unfriendly that it strikes me as not even _attempting_ to communicate the ideas with anyone outside the academic --circlejerk-- field. And if you can't communicate ideas to the layity... why even write them down except as a kind of self-indulgence? Science has "science communicators" to condense those very complicated ideas of advanced science down into something people can understand; if natural philosophy can do it, maybe the other philosophy should give it a try too.
@jemolk8945
@jemolk8945 4 жыл бұрын
@@legateelizabeth I mostly agree, for the record. Some specific late 19th and early 20th century philosophers are especially bad about this. Looking at you, Hegel. But, well, most of the papers I've been reading recently are sincerely trying to get across the ideas as clearly and concisely as possible, and it just turns out that the answer to how clear and concise is possible is "not very, by normal standards." Unfortunately.
@NateJensen1991
@NateJensen1991 4 жыл бұрын
"That becomes especially true after Descartes." Decartes? Decartes is easy. Try Hegel.
@shadowofdimentio4618
@shadowofdimentio4618 4 жыл бұрын
Descartes literally stated 'I think therefore I am'. Very simple to get your head around. Unless your a philosopher who decides to question what 'am', 'I', and 'Think' means... Fucking Phenomenology
@ulisesdimopulos4376
@ulisesdimopulos4376 4 жыл бұрын
@@shadowofdimentio4618 the question is what type of philosopher doesn’t question the definitions of “I”, “think” and “am”. Especially “am”
@Halberddent
@Halberddent 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't studied philosophy much, but I read some Derrida in a criticism class and that guy is bonkers.
@phastinemoon
@phastinemoon 4 жыл бұрын
@@shadowofdimentio4618 I mean, it’s a pretty circular argument, which is EXCEPTIONALLY intellectually lazy.
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo 4 жыл бұрын
I mean Descartes did start the divide that ended us up with a philosophy of mind and one of body so I think he bares a good bit of blame
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 4 жыл бұрын
I had heard of Diogenes's shenanigans before this, but not Gorgias! Had a riot hearing about him! Thanks for uploading!
@racelli27
@racelli27 3 жыл бұрын
I can't even say how much I love the phrase "For every Plato's Republic there is an equal and opposite Diogenes peeing at a banquet table." I want to use this line so badly. Anyone know how I can casually insert this into a conversation like it's a wise, relatable proverb?
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