Hitler put Russians on Death Ground - Sarah Paine

Full Episode: • Sarah C. M. Paine - WW... (October 2023)
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[@DrinkyMcBeer]

A wise man once said to not leave your opponent in a position where his only choice is to fight for his survival.

[@darkhobo]

Sun Tzu

[@tempejkl]

thats what the IOF did to Hamas

[@ThePredator1997]

Only an idiot would say that. You don't even know who said that. You're just making things up.

[@weathforjr]

Nice. My comment got wiped. Yt is garbage for debate.

[@clement2780]

more like russia to ukraine, hamas against israel?

[@GaryRayBetz]

Sarah Paine is just so insightful and brilliant! Thank-you!

[@224dot0dot0dot10]

How does Sarah Paine explain the fact that the commander of Hitler's SS bodyguard unit, Erich Kempka is a Slavic ehnic Polish person with 4 Slavic grandparents from Poland? What does Sarah Paine say about Bandera or Konstantin Voskoboinik or Vlasov? She appears to be ignorant of the actual details of World War 2 history....

[@Retsler54]

Not really my impression. She sounds like any war mongering idiot here in the west.

[@dcc70]

Good questions and better answers. I'm so glad I found this channel.

[@eman4k23]

These interviews have been so good

[@constantinekoumantos3059]

Mr Patel I very much enjoy your channel. Thank you for your content. I especially like that you don’t interrupt the guest. Keep going and good luck in your future!

[@dreasbn]

She's driven by analysis and not ideologie... very refreshing, very sober, very rational... that is what's missing these days. Every one is so over emotional in one way or the other that breaking it down to facts, experience and analysis is a thread to many, from the far right to the far left, for authocrats to common nationalists..

[@tiberseptim8434]

This is literally what the field of history is. This is exactly what we learn as history students. People think universities are „woke“ and overly political, but that’s because they‘re either American (weird for profit colleges) or simply uneducated.

[@user-pn3im5sm7k]

Sarah Paine misses the mark on many WW2 topics and it's best if she does not espouse her opinion and arrogantly present it as fact. Her typical American arrogance coupled with self-confidence is a pretty deadly combo, at least for us who care about historical truth. If you want to listen to comfortable lies then you're at the right spot. She lacks empathy. You do not need to sympathize with the Axis powers but if you want to understand the complexity of the war and its geopolitics you'll need to place yourself in the shoes of the Axis nations. She fails to do this one simple thing. She tries to answer questions on Japanese or German decisions yet still manages to get the answer wrong when we've known the answer for over 70 years. She will obviously have bias (as a DEI hire for the naval war college) and fail to mention many of the sinister sides of our part in the war. Such as our provocations against Japan & Germany in the 1930s following their ban on certain family owned banks. Constant sanctions before the war with lacklustre and hypocritical excuses, and gigantic list of war crimes before, during, and after WW2. Unspeakable things occurred in Berlin, Tokyo, Okinawa, and even France..our "ally".

[@EmmsReality]

@@user-pn3im5sm7kkeep talking

[@MichaelElfial]

But to me she sounds naive in very americanish way

[@dreasbn]

@@user-pn3im5sm7k what a long post without any relevant content.. wow

[@thegift20luis]

She is great! My kind of historian! Thanks for sharing this wonderful video!

[@Humuhumunukunukuapaa]

She is a professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island and a successful author. Not only is she credit but highly educated. You, a random anonymous person on the internet, throwing insults at her way means nothing.

[@moiseshuerta3984]

She's a hack.

[@ImperativeGames]

She is full of anti-Russian propaganda though.

[@niccotine9867]

She’s a yank teaching yank history

[@alberarthure]

she talks terribly and is terribly familiar with the material (or she just lies, as Americans like to do all the time)

[@kentuckyfried9499]

Yeah they are Russian bots. They don't have a free thought in their head.

[@dat2ra]

Thank you. One of the most knowledgeable and informative programs on KZbin.

[@grandlotus1]

Thank you for introducing me to Sarah Paine - a self-evident genius. I hope she and I could someday have an amazing conversation. Mr. Patel, you are also a gifted interviewer.

[@bobfg3130]

😂 She's full of bs.

[@maxn.7234]

This sounds like an NPC bot would write. Hilarious.

[@grandlotus1]

@@maxn.7234 I'm real. How about you?

[@networknomad5600]

@@bobfg3130Explain your dissent or have your opinion rejected like the trog you are.

[@Cbcw76]

She merely sounds well-read. I'd like to find her books or read more of her research notes, though.

[@birdstrikes]

Excellent questions! Subscribed!

[@AK_-xn1fm]

Tsun Tzu has a quote about this. Do not let your enemy be cornered and to leave an outlet free. Many speculate this is so to the fearlessness of people when it came down to the death. You tell your people the enemy thinks of you as nothing and will not stop till you are dead is a damn good motivator to fight like hell.

[@Mortablunt]

This is why the Russians never complete encirclement, and also do so much to have opportunities for surrender, as well as treat the Ukrainian populous well. As we are seeing most, Ukrainians, even the west Ukraine Nazis generally don’t have it in them to die for a fake shithole. As it turns out we’re going gets tough over 75% of Ukrainians would rather get going!

[@sheldonwheaton881]

There was a German Army saying,"Boot them, don't splatter them."

[@pugilist102]

The Mongols used that tactic to great effect. Not sure if they read Sun Tzu, but they were herders and understood how animals(humans) reacted to being surrounded/cornered. When given a slight chance of escape, an animal will choose flight over fight. An army in flight is a dead army.

[@Mikethemerciless11]

@@pugilist102 Well, when Genghis Khan went into China, after the first few cities they took, they ran into someone who told the Khan that he doesn't have to besiege a city to take it. After all, besieging takes time, and gets messy afterward, what with the pillaging and such, and it will take time to rebuild everything to profit off of it. He told the Khan that these cities aren't especially loyal to the Emperors, and that if he offered that the leaders would surrender the city, in exchange for remaining in power, so long as ample tribute was sent to the Khan, they would do so. Sure enough, that's what happened, and China was conquered rather quickly.

[@marvinhaagsma9177]

Robert McNamara mentioned this. See the Fog of War, Lesson #1: Empathize with your enemy.

[@matthew8505]

I love this lady! The only person ever to say A. I don't know B. A perfect explanation

[@vhaddad5249]

Thank you, Dwarkesh, for bringing us these videos and introducing us to Dr Paine. She’s such a very clear communicator with a wide depth of knowledge. I wish could take a week off and just listen to Sarah Paine lectures and interviews.

[@VeritasOmniaVincit176]

"Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across. The wise warrior avoids the battle." - Sun Tzu, Art of War

[@lukethompson1517]

I don't know much about her, but it's nice to hear a voice that seems to come from a more sensible time.

[@gretamurphy3704]

Her analysis is grounded in a strong life-long education about her subject. Too bad we don't always get that!

[@jon8004]

I'm in D.C. The city is filled with people like her. Our "time" is a bit of an illusion. A lot of very loud voices have been amplified by social media, but thoughtful moderacy like this still dominates, even if it doesn't seem like it. Also, as good as she is, our universities are filled with similar people.

[@Vifnis]

@@jon8004 this right here... people Like Lindsey Graham want War whenever literally ANYTHING happens... "best money we've ever spent" Man, I hope he burns in hell tbh...

[@jordanchen23]

​@@gretamurphy3704a lot of idiots just say she's biased and call it the day. They don't understand that bias is acceptable when it's predicated on factual information. You can disagree with her final takeaway but good luck dismantling the existence of actual conflict events in history.

[@idunnoiguess1]

One of the best interviews I have ever seen. You are so talented and you have the most interesting guests. It is so hard to ask pointed questions to get the most meaty responses, and you do it so well.

[@chrisleonard2066]

This interview was so good, I could listen to another 2 hours e

[@billkingston4402]

Amazing knowledge and great delivery

[@ollywright]

Amazing insights. Thank you

[@pudge9161]

Love this content.

[@matikramer9648]

Thank you Very much

[@mikesalvaggio20]

It’s about time we start getting content based on facts and expertise . Fantastic stuff she might be my new favorite resource for this kind of strategic and historical geopolitical content .

[@moiseshuerta3984]

She's a hack. Doesn't even know Soviets from Russians.

[@maxn.7234]

Alas, you got very little of it from this hack.

[@Mortablunt]

Hey, World War II knowledge is OK but her current events knowledge is abysmal. Everything she said about the east Europe situation is pure Nazi and Washington propaganda. To condense a lot of things, about 50% of Ukraine fled, and 20% of Ukraine demonstrably chose to become Russian.

[@patrickporter1864]

Why would you want an expert what do they know.

[@peterwarner553]

​@@patrickporter1864the most idiotic post I've seen today, congrats.

[@lproth]

On the tank issue, the allies provided every thing else to include the modern machine tools used to build those tanks. Ford alone sent thousands of trucks, because the Soviets were wedded to trains for logistics! This made their logistics predictable and easy to disrupt! Trucks help them free up their movement!

[@jack6539]

Of course, fords blitz truck factory in Germany was also building trucks for the German army through the war as well. After the war, Ford motors successfully sued the us government for damages for bombing said factories in Germany.

[@collinleecrawford]

Allied aid to soviets was instrumental in ending the war as fast as it did however by that logic England should’ve ended the war before the Soviet Union due to receiving far more in aid than the Soviet Union did from America. Truth is Soviet Russia would’ve had shittier equipment. But it still would’ve outlasted the Germans

[@swingset1969]

He asked the question HOPING there was some silver lining to communism/central planning. You can hear it in his voice.

[@mikedearing6352]

@@collinleecrawford I recall the Russians lost 20,000 aircraft on the ground during the opening of hostilities, the pilots all getting brand new high performance aircraft and within 6 months Russia had more aircraft than the Germans, all trained and experienced more or less. 2 weeks before Japanese attacked pearl harbor Russia began their first winter counter offensive, driving the Germans back hundreds of miles, one more winter would see the end of the German ability to threaten victory, Russia needed no help beating Nazis, they had more of everything just about, all we did was murder the future by helping histories biggest mass murderers win histories biggest war, created a communist victory in 1949 China, it only got worse instead. Patton wanted to take out the communist, MacArthur wanted to liberate all of China, but Franklin Roosevelt already feed the beast everything it needed to create this timeline with nuclear war the first obvious truth, and today's biological warfare virus

[@theoneinthebackground4209]

And those tank weren’t advanced or reliable.

[@rickvanheerden788]

Excellent. What is Sarah Paine's book that is referred to?

[@corriedebeer799]

Really pleasant to listen to her speak.

[@billhuang7705]

@ Approx 4:23 follow up on the fire-bombing of Tokyo. I heard that Emperor Hirohito toured the bombed out areas afterwards and was stunned to see people turning their backs on the Emperor. This caused him to conclude that Japan could no last much longer.

[@keaixiaomeinv]

This lady has been blowing up in my feed recently, on KZbin, Facebook, and even LinkedIn. And I'm so glad to see someone who's really knowledgeable talk about things she knows. Really, really refreshing.

[@Stakker]

She’s awesome

[@borzix1997]

Brilliant!

[@darrencorrigan8505]

Thanks, Dwarkesh Patel.

[@vhaddad5249]

Thanks!

[@nathanmoore1893]

So interesting this.

[@digenesakritas8234]

Easy Americans and British were Russian manufacturing during the war. The amount of aid and material from Britain and the United States was unprecedented. The West kept the Soviet zombie alive in WW2.

[@SanityIsland]

Precisely

[@Mortablunt]

Only 10% of aid arrived for 1943 and 80% of aid arrived 1944 and 1945 so the danger was demonstrably over by the time meaningful aid got there. The Soviet Union held out and even started winning before the help got there.

[@SanityIsland]

​@@Mortabluntsome people think and some people believe what they hear.

[@postblitz]

Tons and tons of perfect material for tanks and factories plus huge numbers of engineers made the USSR's army possible.

[@digenesakritas8234]

@@Mortablunt In all, the United States shipped $50 billion ($608 billion in 2020 money) worth of materiel under the Lend Lease program, including $11.3 billion ($137.5 billion in 2020 money) to the Soviet Union. In addition, much of the $31 billion worth of aid sent to the United Kingdom was also passed on to the Soviet Union via convoys through the Barents Sea to Murmansk. The United States provided the Soviet Union with more than 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 aircraft, 8,000 tractors and construction vehicles, and 13,000 battle tanks. All the factories in the Soviet Union were rebuilt and staffed with American engineers after Tsarist Russia fell. It would be more accurate to describe the Soviet Union as a satellite of the United States from 1917-1945 than a peer.

[@richardsimms251]

Great talk

[@FarmerBenny]

This woman is amazingly interesting and articulate

[@Saber23]

Russia will dominate the world soon enough

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

No, she's basic and parroting highschool level narratives.

[@Saber23]

@@againsttheleftandright4065 lol so basically she’s just telling the truth and basic history everyone should know, look dude I get that you probably think you’re some big “free thinker” (judging by your username) but I’ll be the first to tell you, YOU ARE NOT 🤣

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@Saber23 So, when I said "highschool level narratives," your immediate thought was "yeah, if it was taught to kids by the government it must be true!" Everything she said was neoliberal / leftist historical revisionism. Idiot actually said "Hitler's blitzkrieg worked in Austria."

[@freshtoast3879]

​@@Saber23Why are you so hostile? Are you a trigĝerèd Amèrìcàn?

[@Elpunia]

Statistic example. All together were charged 105 032 citizens in September- November 1938. Including: pole 21 258, german 17150, russian 15684, ukranian 8773, belorussian 5716 and etc

[@ivinnysixx]

I can listen to this woman all day.

[@RoyBlades]

Lend Lease proved to be a huge factor.

[@drewmalesky9869]

She's so insightful.

[@daseladi]

You must be joking. US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@drewmalesky9869]

@@daseladi which of your heroes did she insult? Hitler? Stalin?

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 Well, you are joking again. She is one of those who make US shoot it's own leg once a day, and you see her as insightful. You deserve your government, oh, you do.

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 You are joking again. US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@daseladi]

@@drewmalesky9869 US is full of this kind of educated in high places, leading the foreign policies as well. Thanks to exactly this kind, US shoots its own leg once a day.

[@Will.1.L.G.A]

Great. Video

[@Turf-yj9ei]

Lend Lease. Stalin wrote in his memoirs that the Soviets would literally have starved without Lend Lease. Also the Soviets couldn't produce high octane aviation fuel or artillery shells at scale and imported much of this through Lend Lease. And the those tens of millions of Soviet troops were eating US food, wearing US boots, and driving US trucks. That's what I bring up when people bring up the "Russia did most of the fighting" argument.

[@vladislavfeldman6562]

Mongolia supplied the same amount of food as Lend Lease and most of the winter clothing of the Red Army. Lend Lease started getting to Russia after the Germans were stopped at Moscow and Quickened the end of the war by 2 years.

[@countprophet5881]

@@vladislavfeldman6562 Yeah, the Russians would've held off by themselves just fine. It's more up in the air if they would've been able to push their way all the way to Berlin by themselves though.

[@vladislavfeldman6562]

@@countprophet5881 With 20 million battle hardened army and tank production being slowed down after 1943, if there was no D-Day Russia would be in Calais by 1946.

[@annegreengables6367]

Thank you for these brilliant lessons!!

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

It's all trash. Would you like to know more?

[@tomevans4402]

Fascinating

[@ricklogan7889]

Some of this sounds like McNamara's Laws of War.

[@stephenphillips6245]

The Fog of War was a good documentary...a right wing look at war, but still interesting.

[@dat2ra]

Fog of War

[@bdcochran01]

My physics professor had advised and guided the fire bombing of Japan in WW2 and was consulted for Vietnam. He reported that the weather and climate conditions would not permit it. Putting people on known death ground is not a good idea. One exception was the strategy of Ghenghis Kahn. Even then, people did not know that they were put on death ground. His army would attack outlying areas, comprehensively driving them into smaller and somewhat urban areas and forts. Then he would leave would appeared to be an unforeseen route of escape. The trapped people would try to use the avenue of escape and be killed. Chesty Puller, USMC used the same technique in Central America. He identified the routes of escape and cut them off.

[@mikerichards5610]

She's good!!

[@ks.tuor369]

I didn't know anything about this scholar. What wonderful intelligence! Thank you for this discovery.

[@D4NK1]

In the future , everyone will interview everyone and give their opinions on everything

[@matthewkennedybourne5814]

Anybody binge watching her videos?

[@JonathanToolonie]

*Raises a hand*

[@hereigoagain5050]

Brilliant! Sarah's analysis is supported by "The Chrysanthemum and the Sword" by Ruth Benedict, which is a fascinating anthropological study of pre-war Japanese culture. The Office of War Information commissioned Ruth's ethnography to formulate strategies for the eventual occupation of Japan, which is one of the great success stories of post-war relations.

[@TheTimdoyle]

There’s no mystery. The Soviets were supported by the USA. The vastness of Russia has always helped block any invasion. As for advanced technology they moved their factories hundreds of miles away from the front.

[@Stakker]

Exactly. American money and British materiel kept the Soviet nation alive for long enough to send their millions into the grinder. The Germans relied on stealing as they advanced. There was nothing to steal. No fuel. No roads. No hope. Overstretched and their morale blown away. A thousand miles from home. Germany was doomed from day one. It was just a matter of time. Ironically it was their ideology that guaranteed their failure. The Soviet republics they conquered in the way to Russia would have happily felt liberated if they weren’t considered subhuman by the nazis

[@waynethegreat23]

She's a great speaker 🔊😊

[@stevekillgore9272]

6:10 as portrayed by modern Japanese about themselves in Godzilla : Minus One

[@1977Yakko]

The Russians built so many tanks because they didn't have to build most of their trucks and railcars and a host of other logistical needs. Unless I'm mistaken, the Russians were offered a second front in '43 in exchange for ending Lend Lease but the Russians wanted Lend Lease to continue, so the second front wasn't until '44.

[@STScott-qo4pw]

Her own hubris shows... Hirohito was a world respected scholar in marine biology. He specialized in mollusca, authored several widely used books under a pen name.

[@GerBear76]

The sad state of American academia. Idiots that sound rational fooling idiots who know nothing.

[@tommytigerpants]

She does dismiss this as “he was fascinated with guppies”, but in the context of his role and the stakes at play, it’s not an unreasonable comment

[@Alvi410]

My god... Understand rethoric. She is making fun not as much of him but of people that assume that Hirohito was front and center of Japanese expansionism. "He liked guppies" is an eased up way to state that: "While educated Hirohito was not a military leader and his interest and full understanding of military matters was limited to what he was being told and fed because his main interest was marine animals" plus it also makes the lesson (wich in his original form is lime 2 hours) much more digestable thanks to the occasinal ligh-hearthed joke that drives a point home. Is it really that difficult. C'mon now!

[@jamiebranco4092]

Shes such an amazing speaker.

[@whothefislate]

I didn't even know he was sick

[@alejandrocantu4652]

Dwarkesh read Stalin's Folly: The Tragic First Ten Days of WWII on the Eastern Front

[@djohnson2536]

The difference in the willingness of a people to fight is stark when we're comparing people fighting for goals in foreign lands, and people fighting in their homeland, defending their very existence and their very way of life. Compare the US in Afghanistan and Ukraine fighting Russia. Big differences

[@quintopartido3991]

General Patton: "We defeated the wrong enemy."

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

general patton killed US soliders his opinion means nothing to us. He’s a traitor running over world war one vet’s known as the bonus army.

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

he ran over US soliders for no reason get a life bro

[@C12341]

@@salvatoreregalbuto5444 I read he put some Mexicans he unalived in battle on the hood of his car like they were deer. I’m confused why people think he was a good guy I think his d eath was pretty sus though and somebody took him out.

[@weathforjr]

​@@salvatoreregalbuto5444 your propaganda seems desperate.

[@johnpederson5873]

Even if so you can’t side with hitler who breaks any treaty he signs the Germans are the reason they had 0 allies in the first place

[@forgottenfamily]

I think a missed detail about the firebombing: there is an inherent discrepancy between actions taken against the civilian population as an act of war - yes, a war crime, but one that someone can understand is about furthering the war aims of the enemy - and actions taken against civilians in occupied territories. Not to say that there is no rally-around-the-flag impact - we have evidence of that in Battle of Britain - but it's not the same as Death Ground. The firebombing of Tokyo doesn't undermine the theory that one can survive if they surrender. The mass murder of your countrymen, on the other hand, foundationally establishes that there is only one path to survival and that path is to fight.

[@wakeup8052]

Does anyone know if there are anybooks or memoirs from Japanese soldiers who surrendered and returned home after the war. I would love to know if thier families were crying with joy or if they still brought shame.

[@ownpetard8379]

Not after the war. The Japanese people saw that they could not have defeated the US. There are interviews and testimonials. A young girl marveled at the size of an American potato. Japanese soldiers brought home from China were very mad. They did not feel the effect of the power of the US forces. Hirohito calmed things down. The US occupation policy was very wise. And once the Korean war started up, Japan was no longer a conquered foe but a support system for US forces fighting the North Koreans and Chinese. The Japanese brought in US academics and revised its industrial policies and Japan Inc. was born.

[@christopherwhitwam3924]

That was my biggest take from the Art of war

[@dv8tyler692]

The only thing I can really add is there is a difference between high moral and blind fanaticism.

[@aleksandarjokic2918]

death ground, death ground.....said at least 15 times, Americans adore certain words, they have a powerful effect on them and then they repeat them as if hypnotized ...they seem mystical, magical, like some package from which the solution to some alien mystery will fly out

[@frostyrobot7689]

0:24 - "Why did central planning work ?" A: For the same reason it worked for the Western wartime economies.

[@Wellhereweare..]

According to the bushido “way” a single life weighs less than a feather in the pursuit of the emperor. As she said, it was out of a sense of obligation.. why they felt that? It was instilled into them and became cultural.

[@corriedebeer799]

I think McArthur not wanting Hirohito to put up for war crimes was instrumental in giving the Japanese the idea that Americans were not interested in a revenge mission in regard to post-war Japan.

[@barnabyallen5796]

She is an extremely eloquent and knowledgeable lady. No doubt about it.

[@chrismanning1171]

Sounds like a great title for a movie, Death Ground.

[@anthonyburke5656]

Short answer, terror, the Red Army had years of practise in the years after the 1917 revolution, the Allies invaded and the Red Army fought them until 1923, the White Army continued fighting, then the Red Army terrorised the ethnicities. Then the Red Army fought the Japanese. The Red Army still collapsed, if Beria had any courage, he would have assassinated Stalin without a risk up until the Nazi Army retreated from Moscow.

[@davidshoup3856]

Operation Barbarossa was planned to be a 4 month war and defeat of Russia before the Oct./Nov. muddy season/ Russian Winter 1941/42. Did the German General Staff not know any of this? They did many were junior officers on the eastern front 1914-1918. Long answer terror... "Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation" (Großgermanisches Reich Deutscher Nation) , the "Thousand-Year Reich" (Tausendjähriges Reich). "Living Space" (Lebensraum), "Drive towards the East" (Drang nach Osten), Generalplan Ost, The Hunger Plan, "Superior man/ Subhumans" (Aryan Ubermensch - German Master Race/ Slavic Untermensch - Poles, Ukrainians, Russians).

[@dolphinsmadden]

That was the least of his mistakes.

[@messiGrd]

She avoided answering the question.

[@rogerparis]

I love the way she explains everything.

[@agustingrimoldi1078]

"That means Hitler forever..." 😱😰 Thank God we didn't get that

[@jasonalmendra3823]

Time for the bots to earn their rubles.

[@av19455]

kk

[@nicholasbarakos2074]

Just based off of your profile pic and your comment, you probably vote democrat.

[@darkhobo]

​@@nicholasbarakos2074yeah the educated tend to

[@nicholasbarakos2074]

@@darkhobo I’ve met a lot of dumb educated people.

[@Canonfudder]

They goto work hard, less they be sent to an early fpv end

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

When Gen. Lee surrendered to Gen. Grant, it wasn't an unconditional surrender. Grant allowed Lee's troops to keep their horses and arms.

[@edzehoo]

Ah... Mother Mohiam finally unveiled....

[@jotsingh8917]

Let us not forget the historic amnesia here in North America. Andrew Jackson and the gang in U.S. Congress in the 1830’s pretty much had their Wansee conference. They did the same with the Indian removal act and extermination of the natives to steal their land. It is a real bitch that modern times had better record keeping. The victors always dictate the historic books.

[@Cbcw76]

What about the importation of thousands of American engineers who supposedly designed and built new Soviet factories. I've read that there were 4400, there were 6,000, or there was only 2,000. The Soviets (again supposedly) didn't allowed them to leave, claiming so many died, so many opted to live in the Soviet system after WWII. I can't find much reading that - which I find strange, too. There were tales that they were hostages and used against the West's anti-Iron Curtain efforts.

[@JustBCWi]

"Stalin's War" explains how much US Lend Lease contributed to the Soviet success based on Russian archives and de-classified US documents. (around chapter 30) In one case, fully a third of a unit's tanks were American. We were shipping over food in droves while US citizens were rationed. They received thousands of planes and tanks. We shipped entire factories from the US to USSR and gave them pretty much everything they asked. This continued through 1944. So, what saved central planning and the Soviet Union was American capitalism and industrial capacity.

[@user-pf3kv4bv5s]

Well, the Soviets had no problems with this, literally Lenin’s speech in 1921: “What is a concession? It is a contract between the government and a capitalist who undertakes to organize or improve production (for example, felling and floating timber, extracting coal, oil , ore, etc.) and to pay the government a share of the product obtained, keeping the rest as his profit. Is it right for the Soviet government to invite foreign capitalists after expelling the Russian landowners and capitalists? Yes, it is, because, seeing that the workers’ revolution in other countries is delayed, we have to make some sacrifices in order to achieve a rapid and even immediate improvement in the condition of the workers and peasants. The sacrifice is that over a number of years we shall be giving away to the capitalists millions of kilograms of valuable products. The improvement in the condition of the workers and peasants is that we shall immediately obtain additional quantities of petroleum, paraffin oil, salt, coal, farming implements, and so forth. We have no right to forego the opportunity of immediately improving the condition of the workers and peasants, for our impoverishment makes it essential, and our sacrifices will not be fatal. But is it not dangerous to invite the capitalists? Does it not imply a development of capitalism? Yes, it does imply a development of capitalism, but this is not dangerous, because power will still be in the hands of the workers and peasants, and the land owners and capitalists will not be getting back their property. A concession is something in the nature of a contract of lease. The capitalist becomes, for a specified period, the lessee of a certain part of state property under a contract, but he does not become the owner. The state remains the owner. The Soviet government will see to it that the capitalist lessee abides by the terms of the contract, that the contract is to our advantage, and that, as a result, the condition of the workers and peasants is improved. On these terms the development of capitalism is not dangerous, and the workers and peasants stand to gain by obtaining a larger quantity of products." So the Soviets were only willing to let the US help them with industry and products.

[@thrillzmania]

They wanted those scientists they knew the Germans knew some crazy ish

[@yoyoyojeremy]

She is the Shelby Foote of modern day warfare.

[@alandavis9644]

Victor Davis Hanson has input on the subject.

[@sarcasmo57]

She really knows what she's talking about.

[@dixztube]

How’s this apply to Gaza

[@ProCoRat]

I see Joey Votto; I click.

[@Mikethemerciless11]

I can answer why the bombing of Dresden didn't put the Germans on death ground. It's February of 1945. Hitler is still in power, but they've lost France, Belgium and Holland, and they lost the Ardennes Offensive. Everything Hitler said prior and during this war has not come to fruition, and has led to countless lives lost on both sides, the devastation of their cities, and the bombing even of Berlin. There was an attempt on his life in the previous year by men who were considered (and are, in my opinion) heroes of Germany. The Wehrmacht is in disarray. And the SS is mostly useless. The Luftwaffe has no air superiority. Whatever planes they get into the air cannot stop the bombers the Allies are sending. Dresden, at this point, was horrific. But the Western Allies were not monsters to the Germans. Americans may have been cowboys, Brits might be a bit stuffy, but they're keeping the French from having their revenge on Germany for the time being. But they weren't the Russians. And in this situation, it would be death ground to be taken by the Russians. So, the Western Allies are the only way out. I think when Doenitz contacted Eisenhower, after he was made the new Fuhrer, the idea of contacting the likes of Zhukov was utterly unthinkable.

In fact. Harry Truman, a man who killed more people in a matter of seconds than anyone in the history of the human race, and not to mention every American president after Truman, from the Korean War to Vietnam to the first and second Wars in Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. I don't think that the United States has had a single decade in it's history when it wasn't slaughtering some people somewhere in the world. Put that in American Sarah Paine, Professor of History.

[@TacticalJackalope]

The Germans often referred to the Eastern Front as the "Vernichtungskrieg".

[@Jhossack]

I am glad Ms. Paine stosp revisionist thinking cold. Patel seems to have a good grasp of pulp ww2 history

[@gregoryedwards9097]

To think that Communist China is a bad thing I think is very one-sided. The unipolar world under US hegemony has stagnated save for Silicon Valley and a few other bastions of creativity. And even then, Silicon Valley has created a plethora of new problems regarding mental health, from internet addiction to social media anxiety & depression. The economic model that China is currently using is superior to the US currently. Our cities are still being built with the 1900 mindset of requiring to drive, which truly only benefits the car companies and gas companies. The government til this day hasn't invested in public transportation, and neoliberalism has literally made us race to the bottom for goods, exploiting third world nations as we force them to embark free trade while we don't do it ourselves. China is the antithesis, and has quietly observed how the US has conducted itself. I love how China did NOT bail out Evergrande like we did with the banks during the 08 financial crisis. Our government has been bought out, and though we like to champion freedom, free speech, and equal rights, our government does not really believe it, but loves to portray the image that that is what we represent, and that it is fine to invade 'backwards authoritarian regimes' such as Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria, so long as we use those principals as our Trojan Horse. Our government is ran by super rich, spoiled, arrogant, assholes. If you think the people in Orange County and Hollywood are stuck up, imagine how far that gets scaled when we're talking about billionaires who've never spent a single day with regular people of America. Capitalism being good is what the capitalists who are on top want you to think lmao. How is this not recognized? Always look at your own team with suspicion because they will never admit their 'true' wrongdoings. China IS NOT perfect by any means, and has a lot of flaws in itself. But the US is not any better, and in my opinion, has done more global damage. The only time it ever does good is when it benefits it's long term goals, such as rebuilding Germany, Japan, and South Korea to keep Communist countries at bay. We've done nothing like this for South America nor Africa, EVER, and would NEVER do it if the US stays as the hegemonic power. Check out Michael Hudson. Would love to see Michael Hudson and Sarah Paine speak. Both seem highly intelligent but have veryyyy different views.

[@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721]

The US unipolar dominace ends no matter what clowns like this lady says...

[@diogenesofgermany8299]

I would like to delve further into her perception of Hitler's potential continuation of ethnic cleansing in Europe if he had remained in power. Specifically, I'm interested in exploring the concept that only those who fit the Aryan ideal would be spared, considering that the majority of those in power at that time did not fit this description. Additionally, there was the notion of an 'ancestral passport' that determined one's worthiness of rights or life. It is suggested that disgust rather than hate was the primary motivator behind Hitlers actions.

[@GerBear76]

That is literal propaganda. It's weird that all the countries Hitler wanted to "ethnically cleanse" all allied with him. Makes you wonder.

[@vincewilliams5219]

She is a very smart woman.

[@xyeB]

Based Sarah Paine

[@billyholiday4947]

The soviet's held on until the second and third fronts were started on the western and southern part of europe!

[@testopatia106]

A very succinct lady.

[@brendansullivan7585]

If you like this Video..She is amazing

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Did...did guy really call tanks like the T-34 "really advanced"? LOL

[@mr.nobodymc9741]

“quantity has a quality all of its own”

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

@@mr.nobodymc9741 That says as much about the Soviets' production capabilities as it does the tank. If they'd given the blueprints for the T-34 to, say, Paraguay, they'd be able to produce less of them than the Germans did Tiger tanks due to lack of resources.

[@mr.nobodymc9741]

@@randomlyentertaining8287 saying one underdeveloped country at the time wasn’t able to produce on mass doesn’t change the fact that the Soviet were able to outproduce the Germans, the Tiger was a solid tank, but they were barely able to produce the Tiger’s well the Soviets were able to produce the T34 on mass, when you’re fighting 20 to 1 odds it doesn’t matter how good the 1 is you’re still going up against 20.

[@ramonribascasasayas7877]

When Germans started Barbarossa, they were stunned when discovered on battlefield the T-34 and terrified of the KV-1 and KV-2, which knew little to nothing from the three, which could only be smashed by air bombing or with the 88mm flak gun. German Panzer IV was behind in armor and cannon. Panzer III even more. Panther was built having in mind T-34 and Tiger was constructed to smash KV-1 and KV-2 with a... 88 mm cannon.

[@diver11b1p2]

Great interview! One observation regarding the question asked: Russia was able to produce so many tanks because the USA gave them over 400,000 trucks and jeeps and over 14,000 airplanes!