Homophobic Jehovah's Witness Video ("Remember the Wife of Lot")

[@emilyhanson96]

These interactions are so inorganic it’s painful to watch. It’s like aliens are trying to imitate what they THINK humans act like. “Your parents must be very proud of you.” “Yes, my two MOMS are VERY proud of me. You know, they’re LIFE PARTNERS? Like they’re part of a H O M O S E X U A L M A R R I A G E ?? ????”

[@alexis504]

Emily Hanson worse writing than river dale

[@elisahunt7858]

Told my husband that if I should turn into a pillar of salt because I work and earn money then he should just grab some limes and tequila and go to town.

[@amyamy2240]

I know this is a year ago but I can't stop 😂 😂 laughing.

[@denised6793]

Amy Amy me too omg😂😂😂

[@kpalywondorlennawuo635]

I don’t think you understand the point of that we believe that you can’t slave for god and slave for riches and that was basically the point of the vid

[@Nicky-de4ez]

@@kpalywondorlennawuo635 They need to pay their bills too i gues

[@isaacjames379]

@@kpalywondorlennawuo635 the difference between someone working towards earning money and bettering themselves in life and someone mindlessly working to serve a religion, is that the first one betters the self and is a healthy goal, the second one is bettering the religion while the ones who work for it get nothing, if your god is real he wouldn’t care about someone working to better themselves.

[@astralclub5964]

The father said the JW's don't push their beliefs onto others. Really? Because I've never had two well-dressed gay people knocking on my door trying to convince me to convert!

[@germanshepard7912]

Rick Pyle I am not gay

[@kawaiipanda8892]

German Shepard what?

[@kawaiipanda8892]

German Shepard I don't know what this has to do with the comment but if you're gay or not always remember you're loved 💗

[@namegoeshere9447]

That's not pushing. And no. I'm not a jw

[@smileyglitterland9717]

Sometimes ppl from our religion just help and are ok with u not being a JW but some ppl are really mean and dumb

[@DarkSoulsSauron]

I simply cannot fathom why so many people feel fundamentally threatened by the private behavior of two consenting adults.

[@helpingyousmileagain1701]

Well you wouldn’t when you’re constantly taking it out of context. The brother did say that we all have free will so therefore do what you wanna do I don’t complain about it. Yes the JW colt can be very pushy, but not all of them are that way.

[@k7450]

@@helpingyousmileagain1701 they haven't taken anything out of context. There are literally hundreds of millions of people in the world including JW's, who go out of their way to complain about, berate, or openly express their dislike for gay people. Again, as the original comment says what two consenting adults do privately in their own home is nothing to do with anyone else. Stop worrying about gay people, they won't bite.

[@theredone7106]

@@k7450 Unless you ask them to. Sorry for the new comment. Saw the opening and needed to take it.

[@dakotanorth1640]

Only an asshole would care What goes into our assholes And who puts it there And only someone who Is truly repressed Would attempt to decide for the rest.

[@WillieManga]

@@theredone7106 Ooh! That was funny. XD

[@GalaxiaStars]

"We don't judge anyone but we think being gay is wrong." JW Elders really need to refresh their understanding of what the word judgmental means lmao.

[@keio1069]

"we don't force our beliefs in others" *knocks on everyones houses*

[@scotscub76]

@@keio1069 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tereprince3944]

It isn't forcing idiot....

[@reing304]

My mom says to leave if the person says so, or leave if the person isn't willing to answer

[@alexandershiferaw4082]

Right!brother!this things in the Eastern world is very taboo thing!It is real to the opposite of nature!

[@monsem8]

What I find even more interesting when using that specific story from the Bible is that Lot and his daughters are praised for being strong and not falling into temptation by not looking back, but then don’t ever want to discuss how all 3 of them commit incest. It’s cherry picking

[@WillieManga]

AFTER their mom got gazed at by a salt Medusa, I guess.

[@elnelinqui]

"we don't force our believes on others"- Said the man who knocks on your door to force his beliefs on you every saturday morning

[@roidroid]

He reacts to her family's mere existence with a look of pure disgust & hatred, then says "We don't judge". Earlier the daughter has the same look of disgust when the mother dares to treat a gay couple as if they're actual flesh & blood people. Oh yes, everyone watching sees just how much they don't judge, no judgement here, nuh-uh, nope.

[@coralrain6332]

elnelinqui rotfl

[@DisturbingRainbow]

"we dont force our beliefs on others" -said the cult that isolates disfelloshipped members in a sick attempt to emotionally manipulate them into coming back.

[@andrewwang2602]

elnelinqui Jesus did the same thing and got killed by the romans. That's how they did it back then. It's to spread religion.

[@elnelinqui]

Andrew wang nope, that's not what killed Jesus. Jesus didn't spread any religion. Jesus represented a thread to the Roman government since people started to follow him. At no point Jesus try to convert anyone to Judaism, in fact, he was only communicating with Hebrews

[@nickyg372]

it's interesting that she commented on how they where funny but all that was focused on was there sexuality. people are so much more than there sexuality. it's so true that they want to dehumanize them.

[@eriolyaotzin]

I'm grown up as JW and the fact of following an doctrine of intolerance and accepting the fact I'm gay brought me to a deep depression I still keep fighting. And this isn't a less affair, because one of my friends killed himself when he couldn't deal anymore with his pretending he was straight. I really thank you brought up this topic to light.

[@eriolyaotzin]

thanks for your concern, but let me give you some corrections: being gay is neither an adiction nor an inclination, is PART of ME, the same way I'm righthanded, brown-eyed, black hair. I've just find peace when I ACCEPTED me the way I am and stopped to please my wrong called friend. Please, Don't try to indoctrinate me. during the years I trusted JW's teachings never I felt happy or completed.

[@eriolyaotzin]

I do agree with you. Sadly that I didn't realise before. But I think never is too late to expose its lies.

[@eriolyaotzin]

brother Ballinger AGAIN, being gay is not a desire, not an illness, not an election, not a mental problem. Please, GOT IT!!!! I'm aware you could control your desires because you realized it was damaging your relationship and your own lifestyle. BUT.... when I denied myself, when I tried to change my sexual orientation to a 'normal' one, It was when I suffered depression and pain because I was going against myself. AGAIN. don't try to sell me an indoctrination, because that's​ something I've already tried with a bitter experience and don't want turn back never ever.

[@tallyd2k13]

Fernando Palacios Cruz sorry for the loss of your friend. that is heart breaking. regarding your situation when you were a jw. what did you do? did you get married? or choose to remain single

[@eriolyaotzin]

T Den Hi. thanks for your word, I really appreciate it. regarding your question, I remain single. Never did I try to involve thirds in my personal issue. I think it wouldn't have been fair to live a pretension.

[@belialord]

The scene where the woman turns into salt scared the shit out of me, wasn't expecting something like that. I can only imagine the effect this will have on children watching it during the convention, if they're smart they'll show it on the beginning of the first day so that no one falls asleep for the rest of the whole program.

[@fillingthebookshelf7083]

kaleb spot that's what it is supposed to trigger... fear. Keeps people in line! Would love to hear your thoughts on my videos!

[@delstewart7003]

Filling the Bookshelf I gave you a subscribe and look forward to checking out your videos. We need more people speaking out.

[@loneranger5412]

I am not a Jw and I don't support them....but I do believe everyone has a choice to believe what they want without prejudice and that means everyone!!!

[@mikemanners1069]

High Sodium diet.....

[@Just_Jessiah]

The main point was to show the wife of lot she inmagined is that was her that happened to the wife of lot nothing scary about it

[@LuciusVulpes]

9:58 +John Cedars Let me give my insight. The truth is that accepting the fact that I was gay actually took most of the pain away. It is the action of denying one's own homosexuality that creates the pain, along with the discrimination from society. However, I don't hate Jehovah's Witnesses. I grew up in that cult and the fact is that most Jehovah's Witnesses are nice people. The real culprit here is the Governing Body. They use fear as a method of persuasion. They prey on their followers personal emotions in order to control them. They are the ones we should direct our anger at.

[@cathrsys9584]

+Kenneth Eisenhower Not all of them unfortunatly. The ones at my hall were unrelenting arrogant and only cared for themselves.

[@LuciusVulpes]

CaThRSys It's sad that others didn't have the same luck.

[@cathrsys9584]

+Johnsc11904 Well, it's incredibly ignorant to think that everyone is like you. Get out of your comfort zone and stop thinking about yourself for once. It's incredibly immature and only makes yourself look bad. Thank you, and have a nice day.

[@LuciusVulpes]

+Johnsc11904 I'm sorry but I don't find any fulfillment in following a deity that promotes discrimination against our own kind.

[@eriolyaotzin]

Kenneth Eisenhower. Yes, JW are nice in general, but in my personal experience discrimination came from those within the congregation I considered my friends. I just found support from no-JW. Happily now I accept myself the way I am, and is nice to hear you are free too from that guilty feeling.

[@rogerkirkpatrick5256]

"You might be surprised how many Jehovah's Witnesses are homosexual." This was the response of a sincere JW to a young man who said he could not become a JW simply because he was a homosexual. Does anyone know the Watchtower basis for the comment the JW made to the young man?

[@frankmahavolich7022]

Maybe he was from bethel....lots of gays in bethel-including a former governing body member. I think it was Leo Greenless.

[@camdavbax]

Roger Kirkpatrick I know 3 people from my ex-congregation who are homosexual. 2 young women who are together in secret, and 1 man who is incredibly repressed, depressed, and obsessed with keeping himself on the 'straight' and narrow, so to speak.

[@saffronhammer7714]

I knew homosexual JWs but as long as they remained celibate they were i good standing. That is the official WTS stance on it.

[@rogerkirkpatrick5256]

Well, they would have to remain chaste, if not celibate. Many homosexual (or bisexual) persons marry in a traditional marriage and thus remain scripturally chaste, but not celibate. The same as heterosexual persons who choose not to marry for whatever reason.

[@sludgewave4786]

​@@rogerkirkpatrick5256 That's called sexual repression and it has psychological repercussions. Sadly a book that condemn fornication and homosexuality as a sin punishable by death while saying nothing against slavery isn't really a good moral compass IMO. But I understand the mindset I was raised as a JW.

[@nates9029]

I always find it interesting when christians bring up the story of Lot when they want to bash homosexuality...but they never remember the rest of the story...like when Lot's daughters get him drunk, have sex with him and get pregnant. Homosexuality is wrong but incest is okay?!

[@Oliviagarry69420]

And also rape since the dad didn't consent and he literally offer his daughters to the people who want to have sex with angels.......

[@blackwing2da445]

'I was raised by two women, you know, life partners" Natural conversation opener. ... Also, Dad, you're looking remarkably well shaved today.

[@sourcedrop7624]

"we don't judge anyone." he was overtly judging them all with facial expressions before he saidthat, then he judged them verbally at length after he said that.

[@lovinliverpool]

This makes me cry, it's just so awful. All of us that have grown up JW know that our parents are venamous and hateful about gays and they say they're "loving". I'm so ashamed of them.

[@Kamael9000]

The only people I know with one of those $75,000 kitchens sure as hell aren't JWs. That espresso machine alone is worth more than my fridge.

[@outandfullyawake4751]

Kamael Xevious I was thinking that too

[@jennareed1638]

That money should be going in the contribution box!!

[@true7285]

Kamael Xevious Well the governing body lett them use their house for the set.

[@jennareed1638]

Rookie oh snap!

[@goodgirlkay]

Kamael Xevious I keep saying, where the hell are these people, who are all portrayed in the JW propaganda videos as super successful and well off? This lifestyle certainly is unlikely without a college degree and well-paying job.

[@jeromegriff4857]

Great video - very balanced! Can you imagine the sheer terror little children in the audience will feel seeing the "salt lady"? Reckless...

[@Nocturnalux]

I cannot help wondering if they used an Asian actress to make it more Ring-like. Then again, I don't know if they are even aware of J-horror but either way, the shooting techniques are straight from a horror movie, even down to the stop-motion like editing.

[@darknight307pagan7]

Jerome Griff no actually they were interested I went to the convention

[@Shadowrose54321]

@@darknight307pagan7 Says the guy pretending to know all the inner thoughts of the thousands of children there. Suuuure.

[@Stereo6400]

Classic case of “hate the sin, love the sinner.” They hate that the person is gay, but they still try to be “nice” in their own twisted way to them. it’s like if you started avoiding someone because they’re rude. They will avoid you and try their best not ever to be associated with you again if you say your gay. I know this as someone who was born and raised. I came out to gay as my parents and what they said was “it’s wrong, sure you have these feelings, but you shouldn’t act on them”. I’m getting out soon as I turn 18.

[@ursaminor9780]

Of course the girl with two moms has tattoos, black nails, and a denim vest. Why not just go for broke, and give her a buzz cut that's dark blue, a nose ring, and a rainbow cape while you're at it?

[@elenasimon1270]

Just noticed your bookcase is leaning. My daughter when Jessica's age climbed on a piece of furniture and pulled a heavy TV on herself. She was okay, luckily. I hope your bookcase is secured to the wall. None of my business, I know, but it brought back panicky memories.

[@LloydEvans]

Well spotted! It's well-secured in several places. ;)

[@fillingthebookshelf7083]

John Cedars great, Jessica is pretty cute and about the same age as my child!

[@patrss]

Thank you for this video and your comforting words! I’m a gay JW and it really is hell. I’m hoping one day I can get away from all this without losing the people I care about...

[@Never_Me1]

Do you care about the religion or your same sex date 1person or 100ish people that you know?

[@laurenregnier3710]

The way Tess looks just says lesbian .

[@Jevina]

What has always baffled me about the material that the JW publish, is that they phrase their things very cleverly and righteous, even though it is all utter nonsense. It does take a sceptical person to figure this out, and scepticism is frowned upon in the community, so I've discovered over the years. I thank you for making these videos, helping people break down all of these so-called "morals".

[@LloydEvans]

Yes, it's only once you step outside the Watchtower bubble that you realise how immoral these "moral" teachings really are.

[@Jevina]

Very true, though I do still feel that, have being raised as a JW, it is quite deeply rooted and you surprise yourself when something resurfaces. This is why it's good to contemplate.

[@fillingthebookshelf7083]

John Cedars quite frankly it is shocking what I once believed!

[@Nocturnalux]

Honestly, I don't think it even takes skepticism. All it takes is one not being indoctrinated in the faith, on any level, to see how contrived and horribly cringe-worthy virtually all JW material is. I know it always makes me laugh and/or angers me, without my having to at all be skeptical.

[@videofan1010]

The end was terrible. It doesn't matter why they did that. This type of editing is disgusting.

[@true7285]

videofan1010 Little kids had to sit through that.

[@bladenot-runner1795]

To be fair, it was incredible editing. But is definitely disturbing and not appropriate for children. It also should've had an epilepsy warning.

[@aidendelano8925]

Could u not? Like for real that’s somebody’s religion cant u just respect that

[@barbiechyqa9192]

@@aidendelano8925 Stephen Lett said people wrote letters saying children were scared

[@KaiseaWings]

The scene that's missing is Tess shaking and angry as she leaves, possibly crying, probably needing comfort and support. I find it unlikely that she would have outed her parents like that, she'd just use gender neutral terms to shield them until she knew these were good people. I'm not outraged, it's tame honestly, gross as it is. I feel most horrible for the wife, that's dreadful.

[@sewculty1021]

I also love how they portray everyone non JW as so snarky.

[@OMGitzSami]

"if u go against the bible's standards, you'll end up hurting yourself." actually, you'll hurt yourself if you don't be yourself, so i don't see the logic.

[@glennmouritz4111]

As a Jehovah's Witness I'm pretty disgusted in how the governing body have no clue how to treat a gay person.. at the end of the day we all human beings. Treat everyone as equals.

[@cathrsys9584]

Glenn Mouritz I like you. I wish there were more people like you. Thank you good sir. You have made my day.

[@derekfarmer7444]

you sir are a good man i imagine it must be hard for you at times

[@khanwh74]

As a JW I am pretty disgusted in how he GB discourage higher education, depriving of many JW of using their God given talents to the full and wasting their lives away. Now as a ex-JW, I can see clearly how the elderly GB are out of touch with the Society in general after years in their Ivory towers.

[@catseye10000]

why the fuck are you a JW?

[@Uyc303]

Glenn Mouritz I doubt you're a JW

[@j3in725]

A few things I saw 1 stereotyping lesbiennes 2 stereotyping Asians Also 5:45 the fast majority of homosexual people I met are not that confronting, matter of fact I don't even see a reason why anyone would give such a explanation for just a simple question, stereotyping to the max.

[@ooin_otaku4282]

They also stereotyped Latinos🙄

[@kathleencardincpm4435]

My favorite part (and the most realistic) is Anna's reaction when the young man asks her what SHE thinks. Oh my God! What to say/do? JW kids are taught not to lie... but also that they must agree with everything they are taught. How will you field this one, Annah??

[@eriolyaotzin]

During my youth I fought so strong with myself believing that something was wrong about me because of being gay. It took me several years and a deep depresion to overcome to accept myself just the way I am. I lost a friend when he couldn't pretend any longer he was straight and killed himself.

[@rikkichadwick3548]

I was JW and I watched this movie, I felt kinda sad inside and guilty for disagreeing with that at that time cuz I knew I was gay :(

[@plwxka]

I was a jw from A very Young age, but like A year ago I started seeing that I dont agree with the things they are saying, this was also the time I realised that I was gay. Sadly my parents are still in this religion and they are very homophobic so I haven't tell them. It's really sad for me to see how manipulative these people actually are

[@rikkichadwick3548]

@@plwxka tell me about it 🤦‍♀️😞 I'm so sorry your parents are still part of that...

[@plwxka]

@@rikkichadwick3548 I'm so sorry that there is so much to read, I dont even know if someone is gonna read it but I just had to write it. You see I dont have many friends so i dont have anyone to talk to about those things, mostly about the homophobic part because no one knows that I am gay

[@plwxka]

@@rikkichadwick3548 sorry if something doesnt make sense but 1st of all I am really sleepy and tired and 2nd of all english is not my first language but I mean I can speak it fluently but let's just make it an excuse for not being able to write, right?!

[@WillieManga]

I hope you are still sure of who you are, true to your preferences and don't feel bad about beleiving differently.

[@pennychatfieldwildlifecame6011]

Thank you Lloyd. I am a disfellowshipped JW (have been since a teenager) and a member of the LGBTQ community. I really find your work touching.

[@1980mjp]

Wife: "Some people just seem to be programmed that way." Husband: (Putting wife in her place) No - it's a choice! And it's all about sex! Me: "Then why do many know they are gay well before reaching sexual maturity?" Me again: "F*!# these people!"

[@mikeyllo]

You're asking the right questions. It is mindboggling to me that some people (especially parents) can detect things in their children at an early age that make the children stand out as being "different," but then if the child continues to progress along the lines the parent/adult identified, eventually it is labeled as a choice. I knew I was different in Pre-K. I was labeled and teased for being "gay" as early as 4th grade, but as an adult what I hear is that it's a choice....a choice I apparently made at 5.

[@samanson302]

When I was watching the woman turn to salt, half of me thought ‘horror film’ and the other thought ‘L’Oréal ad’

[@WillieManga]

LoL TRUE!

[@averongodoffire7344]

“We don’t judge other people’s and enforce our beliefs on others”...........😐😐😐😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@jeremystangness1592]

"We have free will and God lets us choose whether or not to live by his standards", however if we choose not to, we will be destroyed when Armageddon comes. Sure sounds like free will to me. The choice to live in slavery to God, or eternal destruction.

[@lukebeakum1316]

Then technically we dont have free will.

[@094belieber]

They showed that video at the last national convention I was at, I honestly almost cried because my mom doesn't know that I'm pan

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I have friends and family that are gay/lesbian. Each one have said that they’ve always been gay. The fact is that even from childhood we all noticed that fact. Yet in the JW’s organization we are taught that being gay is a choice. Anyone who is gay, CHOOSES to be so.

[@UniGya]

Okay, but you gotta give them props on the quality of their special effects. The salt thing was pretty terrifying

[@FLASHPNT]

Noah Spears and children are in the audience to be traumatized

[@linnvi08]

The last part is something out of a horror movie and is gonna scar young children :/

[@mdnbrgh7998]

It’s strange. People like this are discriminatory against gay people “because of the bible”. It’s such a cop out line. No, it’s not because of the bible that you are discriminatory. It’s because you as people and bigots. It’s a stupid way of relieving all guilt off of their consciences and making themselves out to be better than they are.

[@cartooncrazy9433]

Literally no conversation would go the way it did in that kitchen, particularly from Tess.

[@ooin_otaku4282]

I was watching this with my family who knew that I’m bi because I got outed and I was silently seething in anger because they would look at me to make sure I took it to heart.

[@williamj2244]

Gay Witnesses are sitting in the audience watching this stuff. No wonder there are so many suicide attempts. Worse...children who know there is something different about themselves but don't yet understand what that difference is...are watching this and being taught to hate themselves. It breaks my heart.

[@lisanoonan1267]

Thank you, Lloyd ,for putting together, yet another informative video, to show us ones that have been out of this cult for a long while, just what goes on at these conventions! It’s disturbing to say the least!😒

[@autumnasters]

love this video but I will say that I I think you should understand that being gay is not a "lifestyle". veganism is a lifestyle, i.e. a choice.

[@LloydEvans]

I think I did mis-speak and say "lifestyle" in one of these videos. If it was this one, I apologise. It's not what I meant at all.

[@My9thMyJoy]

I wonder if the gay couple were blurred out because no JW would be willing to represent themselves as a gay guy in the propaganda videos.

[@outwest8772]

I had a JW friend in 8th grade and her mom used to give me a ride home I came out as gay at that time and they where still very decent to me. In fact the daughter and I where best friends for many years later because we both knew what it was like to be ostracized for being ourselves. I even gave her a bible bookmark for her "not birthday" and she loved it

[@charlestownsend9280]

The writing in the I have two mums scene is so terrible, who just says out of nowhere that they have two mums like that. It's like they want to make gay people and those who support it are always bringing it up and maybe trying to give the religious narrative that being proud of who you are is wrong.

[@detectivemasaji6377]

The wife of Lot part would make a great horror movie

[@nny33]

One of the things that really bother me (apart of the clear homofobic intent of the videos) was that the mother of the first video also talked about getting a job and doing "man works" and the daughter was disgusted by it, theres nothing wrong with wanting a career, theres nothing wrong with working

[@eastbaysf]

We don't FORCE our belief's on others or judge them,,,????? Lie much?

[@marinawilliams8110]

I watched this convention video as part of your Worst Convention series, seeing it again I must say that it's even more shocking. First, when the woman's mother laughs at the gay couple buying the house, she interjects with "but they're gay"... as if one cannot find them interesting or entertaining just because of their sexual orientation!Then that family's behaviour towards their guest is appalling. The dad says that they don't force their beliefs on other people or judge them, and proceeds to do just that! How do they not see the hypocrisy? He goes on to judgementally spout doctrine about gay people, preaching at the girl. Incidentally, as you've pointed out they make Tess into a brat. There is not reason for her to make a point of saying "you know, life partners?", after she says her mums are proud of her.

[@PushyPushyPhoenix]

13:48 Right there, that single sentence, is a concept applicable to so much more than just homosexuality. If everyone could realize that people with differing opinions are not automatically evil enemies, we'd have a more peaceful world. One can only wish, and try to set that example for others. Asking questions and genuinely listening (instead of planning a rebuttal) really does seem to help. Much the way you've done - there's no vitriol here, simply a desire to share knowledge and spread understanding. This is the first of your videos I've watched and I'm excited for more!

[@rosalina9768]

Disfellowshipped bi kid here! Amen!

[@TheWolfGuardians]

This one really made my blood boil. Ugh it just gets more and more hateful every year.

[@giovannijunor2566]

5:45 TF? What person is this descriptive about their parents?🤨 I feel like the Watchtower is going so out of their way to make "worldly people" look evil that they make it unrealistic🤦🏾‍♀️

[@amb163]

One of the best videos you've done on this topic -- clear, concise, and hits all the major points. As a member of the LGBTQ community, thank you.

[@laurarajabi4343]

“We don’t force our beliefs or judge” ….what a lie. When my very devout JW mom’s gay brother (her favorite brother) died of AIDS, her wonderful JW family told her it was because of his lifestyle. NOT ONE of those winners comforted my mom. She stuck with this bunch until the end of her life.

[@jdh21403]

Next time a Witness comes to my door, I'm going to contradict and discover faults in their opinions of homosexuals

[@michelejashinsky8409]

I had a work companion who was gay. Randy was the best coworker he was fair and efficient! I have a gay uncle he’s also one of the kindest most generous ppl I have ever known….

[@lettylunasical4766]

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. I had a lot of internal stress regarding homosexuality. I'm heterosexual, but I never had a problem with gay people and I knew that the Bible's stance on it was absurd. However, because I was young and terrified of Demons, I became one of those weird apologists; I insisted I agreed with the Organisation but that we didn't hurt anyone or hate anyone. I'm so glad I'm out now and I can be friends with whoever I like and stand up and support my LGBTQ friends!! :)

[@moonlightpenta5334]

"we live by the moral code of people that lived 2000 years ago"

[@seasaltine]

Okay so a thought that popped up in my mind during this video is what would happen with a person that is bisexual, pansexual, or any other sexuality of the sort? Like would Jehovah's Witnesses try to pressure them into a relationship they consider straight even if the person likes more than one gender? I don't know if this thought is weird but it was just something I thought about..

[@ooin_otaku4282]

Yeah that’s pretty much what my family and friends are trying to convince me to do.

[@brandygoldsmith6393]

I never get to comment this early, so I'm just saying hi and a general thanks for all the information you dispense.

[@LloydEvans]

You're very kind! So glad you like the videos! :)

[@dennismccollin4221]

Be mindful you came into existence for a reason and the one who's responsible for it have and set STANDARDS....His adversary has his work to do so you will get that information.

[@ollie_is_me8348]

I have met 2 gay people in my life, I've never met a gay couple, I have never met a trans person, and yet here we are me a gay ftm watching videos about my mums religion. And yet I am influenced by my friends, I am the parrot to modern society, and yet my mum quotes the bible every other sentence.

[@kawaiipanda8892]

It's so funny that they portrait gay people or "worldly people" like rude people when they are what they hate the most

[@karinbauer4538]

This drama got me so fired up. I hadn’t been going to meetings for a couple years and was convinced by my mom to come to convention with her. I got into a very heated conversation with her about this drama. They just want females to be subservient and pioneer. And I’m sick of their homophobic rhetoric.

[@Awisper]

This was very well handled. Thank you for adding the advisory to please not treat JWs badly. They really are brainwashed and it takes years of phycological and emotional hard work to undo it.

[@Blkmalice]

When I was watching this at the convention all I could think was that the mom is hot 🤷🏽‍♀️ Edit: I'm a lesbian atheist with quite homophobic jw parents 🤧

[@ooin_otaku4282]

The youngest daughter is totally my type😂

[@Blkmalice]

@@ooin_otaku4282 you got an Ig? You seem fun to talk to

[@ooin_otaku4282]

@@Blkmalice yeah i do! It’s (I edited this so no one else would know my username lol)

[@Blkmalice]

@@ooin_otaku4282 just followed ✨

[@xylo.4367]

Off topic but you're like really pretty. I'm also a lesbian being raised in a jw household too :)

[@steeldutchess]

3:08 You cite one very likely reason to do that. I think another reason could be that "brothers" wouldn't want to be known across their community as "those gay guys from the video!" Even though people know it's make-believe, many people can't distinguish fiction from reality on some subliminal level and can project character's persona on the human that portrayed it. And given that JW are disgustingly homophobic, the actors wouldn't want even a hint of gay attached to them, bc of the stigma.

[@joycelinlgbtq]

OMG that scene at the end was some kind of horror genre music video level stuff. Really well made. Shame about the message and the stiff acting.

[@Reindeer911]

Actually the JW portrayal of Tess is not that far off from some of the social justice "warriors" in this country, especially in and around Portland.

[@garryiglesias4074]

I would say the same for the "gang boss" in the rebutal: I've seen bosses saying things MUCH worse... Maybe Lloyd didn't work in "real financiarized business", like new-tech startups & stock exchanges's boss... Of course the "local" boss doesn't sound like this, but when money is high, sharks are there...

[@thedangersofoxygen135]

I gotta give it to the JW's. That editing and vfx were amazing.

[@CetXp]

thing that makes it worse is they believe the world is ending

[@Greysonblack-r7r]

Throughout this entire drama, they never showed the face of Marty, the wife's Real Estate Boss, or (assistant, whatever the hell he was) I realize now it's because she mentioned he was gay in the kitchen during that horrid "I have two mom's" scene. The same way they wouldn't show the two gay men on TV, they hid the face of the gay man. I'm assuming it's lessen their humanity, but probably more because no one wants to be dubbed as acting "the gay guys." It's all just really dramatic and sickening.

[@barucjimenez4558]

Great analysis Lloyd! The JW's message is homophobic and misogynist. This propaganda should be denounced in the human rights commission.

[@kiraanderson9643]

I can remember the anger I felt when I was at the convention being subjected to these videos. I was doing laps around the auditorium because my adrenaline was pumping so much. I felt like I needed to scream. I feel so lucky that my family became inactive throughout my teens, because I don’t know if I would’ve been able to wake up as young as I did without that. I can’t even imagine how that video would’ve affected me if I would’ve saw it as a child.

[@2b2a29]

I remember the wife of Lot, but his daughters took the spotlight

[@delennpalmer6333]

If we have to give one thing to the Jehovah's Witnesses, they have great editing skills! Otherwise, their beliefs are offensive and manipulated. (Every time he says "the gays" I die a little inside.)

[@TimisaLilMonster]

The sweater wrapped around the guys neck was so stereotypical...

[@LuciusVulpes]

This is so fucking insulting to me.

[@blackqweenmars]

Putting the fact of how homophobic they are aside why are they going after people with gay parents? It’s like blaming a rape victim for getting raped.

[@Yourthe1iknwyour]

What I want to know is... what is stopping us from starting a serious awareness and movement for cults..... and ex cult members.... we need a color and a symbol those rubber wrist bands or stickers.... we need to open people's eyes to the difference between religious organizations and extremist groups..... help us get our families back!

[@Yourthe1iknwyour]

Shut them down!!! 😡

[@laurenregnier3710]

I'm a Christian , and support the LGBT community .

[@noire1706]

Lauren regnier good, you're more moral then your God

[@elcorrado56]

Even when I was a jw I thought that scene about the lesbian moms is cringe and forced

[@professorkaos2781]

I spoke with a JW about this issue and I said that in studies of identical twins reared apart it was approx 80-90percent likely that they would both end up gay if one was. This person would not agree to this because its much easier to believe it is a free will type decision regarding ones sexuality then having no bearing on gods creative process and the allowance of sin to enter into it. I believe that ones sexuality is a part of our basic human needs and development and if it is a more genetically influenced trait, then wouldn`t it be unfair that in order to obtain salvation they must denounce a part of their humanity. Particulary in coming of age and beyond wouldn`t that put them in a sharp disadvantage when compared to the straight population in being `saved`. The latter questions would not be considered by the JW because they were stuck on the idea that free will comes into play with ones sexuality and although it may have bearing for some, it is not the case for the vast majority.

[@guillermovilla9517]

Absolutely terrible. Clearly the anti-gay thing was terrible, but even when the daughter was praised by her boss, the parents didn't care she was respected at her job. Horrible!!!

[@shyannevasquez5257]

As a lesbian, this really disturbs me for a couple of reasons. Number one, the homophobic message obviously. Number two, as somebody who might want to adopt kids someday, the fact of these people are trying to turn their children against their parents just because they are gay is pretty fucked up. I don’t know why Jehovah’s Witnesses in particular always focus on the children of gay parents like they want the child to disown their parents.

[@WillieManga]

Which is hypocritical considering they disown their "rebellious" kids.

[@marvelforpresident1342]

I get what the JWs are trying to convey, but Tess seems like a confident, no-bullshit woman while the JW girl looks like she's afraid she's gonna get hit if she says something wrong. Me, being a member of the LGBTQ community myself, would totally blow up into the parents face as well. Maybe that's just because I'm a very 'in ya face' kind of person, but come on! And the thing with the woman turning into salt? That's an open death threat on television and no one's doing shit about it. Makes me want to throw up.

[@blindmansbluff]

That end scene is designed to scare children. How despicable.

[@frizzelfrazzel99]

How do I get my mom out of the "religion"? She has been a JW since I was born! So 32 years! I know it's her choice. I just feel like she is missing out on so much!

[@blackqweenmars]

Don’t try to force her to try to persuade her. Remind her of all the things that she can do as a non-Jehovah’s Witness.

[@daorignaldumbucket]

The only thing I agree with is people taking off their shoes in the house

[@iamnothing4768]

I already watched this four episode series. But I think it was three part. I watched it a few months ago so I don't remember much. Here are the names I remember "Tina" "Anna" "Tess" "Eric" "Williams"

[@BobCindyL]

where did you find those videos?

[@noire1706]

Cindy L the governing body gives them away to Witnesses ... he must have gotten away with it secretly sense Jehovah's witnesses hate other people watching their videos

[@BobCindyL]

If they hate other people watching their videos, then why do they invite you to watch them?

[@noire1706]

Cindy L well other 'worldly" people ... I'm not talking about the videos they show you on their tablets or their videos in their assemblies and meetings, but they won't allow Witnesses giving them away to "worldly" people they know ... sense they probably know people can just make videos criticizing them

[@aftermathematics365]

Yea, I also remember that Lot got raped by his daughters after they got him drunk on wine. Keep it classy Bible!

[@waterlily2743]

I am a part of the GSA at my college and I have never met anyone who has gay parents who would respond like that. Saying "Your parents must be very proud of you" is pretty non binary. Who would take that statement and turn it into. "My Moms are gay do you have a problem with that?"

[@aaronwinstanley466]

This JW video is also a big dig at traditional asian work ethic and family values.

[@aaronwinstanley466]

in that the wife's mother is moreconcerned with worldly success and family prestige than biblical passages. it's very subtle but is in there to make asian followers more suspicious of their own family

[@WillieManga]

@@aaronwinstanley466 .... They have Asian members? I would figure they wouldn't ever consider them members.