With the help of the Bay Area S2KI community, let's take a look back at the car that made motorheads of all ages fall in love with Honda. Copyright-free music: Del - Cold Sun (Original Mix) Ceanty - Fine Steam Phunk - Like This
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@llStixxll5 жыл бұрын
The real answer in the AP1 vs. AP2 debate: Any S2000 is better than no S2000
@plujmoto8 жыл бұрын
IMO AP2 wins for the looks, and AP1 wins for the driving experience. Driven both, and just can't beat the rawness of the ap1, feels much more direct. Oh and that black AP1 sounds insane!
@Lukemasonmedia2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the ap2 is a more fun drive after driving both , the extra torque allows the tires to get loose
@neattrucks2423 Жыл бұрын
I own 2009 (ap2) and 2002 (ap1). Ap1 is more fun to drive. But for a longer trip I will take the ap2.
@kazm4g8 жыл бұрын
AP2 is the better car. AP1 is the better S2000.
@intimidatorespinoza79508 жыл бұрын
lol what the heck, ain't even gonna ask for an explanation.
@kazm4g8 жыл бұрын
Explanation: I've owned both. All S2000s are amazing, but in my opinion the AP1 is more raw, more fun, and more engaging. AP2 is more refined and the revision fixed several "issues" that people had with AP1s, hence making it a better all-around "car".
@me-dj8ky6 жыл бұрын
Zach Heath Ok, the S2000 AP1 was hand assembled in Japan next to the NSX and the first gen Insight , the S2000 AP2 was assembled in Kansas, USA I believe by terminators. The complaints about AP1 driving rawness was from mommy drivers who could not handle what HONDA'S TRUE NATURE OF THE CAR SHOULD'VE BEEN FROM 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE not the AP2 that mommy wanted to drive. AP1 built by HONDA RACING...AP2 built by the PUBLIC.
@georgeboyd46196 жыл бұрын
Nilton Rodrigues well said
@jdmnsxr68206 жыл бұрын
Nilton Rodrigues beautiful words right there.
@izzoArtistry5 жыл бұрын
New and proud ap1 owner here. Been bingeing on your s2k vids for the past 3 hours. Keep em coming!
@MrBazuzi7 жыл бұрын
My old man picked up a 2008 AP2 late summer 2009 (after the 2010s had come out) and it's still worth more than he paid for it! It is still my dream car!!!
@Nobe6168 жыл бұрын
So, long story short AP1 wins
@vallasjo80034 жыл бұрын
ALWAYS!!!
@HiMyNameIsJonathan7 жыл бұрын
I've been out of the Honda game for 11 years. Thinking about copping a black ap2.
@DarkFalcon64848 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the awesome review. I will be definitely looking into getting better pads for my S2000.
@yusufhoosen85996 жыл бұрын
GPW AP2 Type-S bro your cars prefect his judging so hard to his car,
@Katsuya898 жыл бұрын
I like the AP1 over the AP2. That extra 1000rpm doesnt sound like much, but it makes it more fun to drive. It forces you to squeeze every last bit of power out of it.
@514mw37 жыл бұрын
and spinning out going hard around a corner!!!! :)
@sungod19768 жыл бұрын
Great foottage, review, and commentary/insight between AP1 and AP2. A nice segway would be driving a stock CR. Would be interesting to get your insight. Keep the great videos comming!
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+sungod1976 I hope to do a few more videos on stock AP1/AP2, CR, maybe even turbo/supercharged or engine swapped cars. Stay tuned!
@mdcohen8 жыл бұрын
+Zygrene yes yes and yes. Would love to see and hear ITBs if possible.
@QuintonTV8 жыл бұрын
Man this was a really badass video! Good job guy.
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Quinton TV Thank you, stay tuned for more to come
@MastRk8 жыл бұрын
+Quinton TV Dont sell yours hahaha
@QuintonTV8 жыл бұрын
MastRKorey Ah, saw my vid huh? Trying my best to hold on to it.
@kazm4g8 жыл бұрын
+Quinton TV this guy!!
@QuintonTV8 жыл бұрын
+Zach Heath I'm everywhere fella.
@unknownff155 жыл бұрын
Subbed ASAP. Greaaaaaat video, nice interview in the beginning and I’m glad the older guy finally got his s2k!
@mdcohen8 жыл бұрын
Which is better AP1 or AP2? Yes, they're better than everything else. Great video and thanks to all the owners who participated.
@ArthurSperotto8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Cohen In my opinion, AP1. It's much more pure.
@sgtspooner8 жыл бұрын
Dope video! I always think about getting an S2000 when I see them at track days. Never selling my Evo 9 RS tho
@dfw1fast1432 жыл бұрын
Just went from a 94 ZR1 that I totaled in a bad bad bad wreck to an AP1. It was the next car on my list and so far I’m loving it. Plus it doesn’t hurt that prices are skyrocketing.
@farid79683 жыл бұрын
Hi there Thanks for the comparison Very interesting and professional too Keep going Farid
@logan5logan5105 жыл бұрын
Just got the black on black 2003 ap1. It's really fun to drive.
@Wenotfrom63rd4 жыл бұрын
Logan5 Logan5 any problems with them yet ?
@VikingsGarage2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thank you for sharing. Loved it. Makes me want to improve my 2002 s2k.
@inditube26 жыл бұрын
Filipinos love them some s2k
@DominicaRepublica7 жыл бұрын
old mate with the yellow s2k.
@lancercool19926 жыл бұрын
damn, it was touchy when the old guy said "my last car"
@xvpboyx8 жыл бұрын
I neeeeeed one!!! Awesome video btw!
@EvilX5M7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Great group of S2K owners.
@johnfharvey4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Onto my second AP1. Never quite got over selling my first. Raw pleasure, great gear box, great engine, what a combination. Nearest car to a motorbike I can get and more wife friendly.
@rxa1773 жыл бұрын
The Beat is more motorbike
@swaggaboy6506 жыл бұрын
So funny how berin said he had just swapped to the Fortune Auto 500 coilovers and i recently purchased them from him like a month ago haha once i heard 10k spring rate all around i new it was him
@antikoolaid98915 жыл бұрын
Dwayne said his Ls1 in thr s2000 passes smog?
@troy97956 жыл бұрын
Haha there “ok” for a cheap set of coil overs that guy was so proud describing his setup and when the driver shot it down he looked devastated. Nice 👍🏻
@thelostvisuals6 ай бұрын
No one gonna talk about the ghost at 1:40? 😄
@karizmasonya8 жыл бұрын
Don't know why you would screw around with the suspension it is great right out the box. The steering is amazing and if I'm not mistaken the 2004 S2000 has drive by wire throttle.
@karizmasonya8 жыл бұрын
At least the AP2 any way.
@TheBb6prelude6 жыл бұрын
Pat L it’s simple, it may be great but it can always be better.
@jevgenijivanov68244 жыл бұрын
Thank you for review! I love S2000 and I hope one day I will buy it)) But I don't understand why Honda many-many years don't make cool cars (S2000 included). I thing that the best time for next generation S2000 was 2016-2018. For what the Honda marketing mens and CEOs take a money? Maybe they are working for BMW and Porsche?...
@JohnSmith-yr6je5 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain what the difference between drive by wire and cable is?
@jackysing90275 ай бұрын
4:20
@NAUS2K7 жыл бұрын
love your videos man, this was very well done.
@Zygrene7 жыл бұрын
+NAUS Thanks!
@raydm40158 жыл бұрын
The black AP1 has a nice sounding exhaust. Is it the EVS Tuning 70-SSP Exhaust System by any chance?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Ray DM Yes it's an EVS exhaust, but not sure on model.
@raydm40158 жыл бұрын
Zygrene I think it is the 70-SSP, because they only make one model exhaust for the S2000. Thanks! I really enjoyed the video.
@mariom96948 жыл бұрын
+Ray DM thanks Ray! the black ap1 is mine, and yes its the evs 70ssp
@raydm40158 жыл бұрын
+Mario M You sir have a very well build and nice looking S2000. :) Great selection of quality parts! Some of them are also on my wishlist for the S2000 haha.
@mariom96948 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. :) Check out my channel I have a few videos of my car in action
@kevinh22098 жыл бұрын
I like this review! Know quite a few owners there 👍🏻
@intimidatorespinoza79508 жыл бұрын
too much rice, the disgrace on messing up a perfectly good car.
@TheBb6prelude6 жыл бұрын
Intimidator espinoza you have no car knowledge at all. Many of the pieces on those s2000s are parts from tuning shops in Japan that have time attack s2000s. Now be gone you ricers.
@me-dj8ky6 жыл бұрын
The S2000 AP1 was hand assembled in Japan next to the NSX and the first gen Insight , the S2000 AP2 was assembled in Kansas, USA I believe by terminators. The complaints about AP1 driving rawness was from mommy drivers who could not handle what HONDA'S TRUE NATURE OF THE CAR SHOULD'VE BEEN FROM 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE not the AP2 that mommy wanted to drive. AP1 built by HONDA RACING...AP2 built by the PUBLIC.
@wordsworthian8 жыл бұрын
If you take away street cred and exclusivity and just go by driving enjoyment- would you agree the S2K edges out the NSX?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Wordsworthian Hard to say. The S2000 has quicker responses and feels more like a go cart, while the NSX feels more relaxed. If you like light weight and response, S2000 is more enjoyable.
@James-ti3vl4 жыл бұрын
For those with an aftermarket CR wing, did you guys mount it on a CR trunk that u separately bought and painted, or did you drill and mount it on the regular/original trunk lid (with reinforcements underneath I assume)? I got a separate carbon trunk lid that I plan to mount it on, not sure if anyone has experience doing that. Thanks!
@Wxterslide5 жыл бұрын
I’ve driven both, but the ap2 feels slower. Im confused
@mdcohen8 жыл бұрын
Re-visiting this video and Mario's AP1. I'm starting get my new S2000 set-up for Spring. Does Mario have a wheelwell page or is on any of the forums. Would love to ask more about his wheel, tire and suspension. Sounds like he knows his stuff and has it dialed in.
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
here's his build thread on s2ki: www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1133479-black-magic/
@XRay21178 жыл бұрын
Great video. Subbed
@googlereviewer19448 жыл бұрын
Assuming he's driving on the same roads, that AP1 looks a lot bumpier than the AP2 he drove. You can see both occupants bouncing around in them. Springs are too stiff!
@racer6686 жыл бұрын
what kind of engine management do you ap1 guys use?
@sweatyboizz59828 жыл бұрын
what recaros are those in the s2k?
@davidnguyen10348 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Video!
@davidnguyen10348 жыл бұрын
I just came back to watch this the second time (two days in a row). This video is just great! Almost as enjoyable as driving the S2000 :)
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+David Nguyen Thanks David. Planning to do a Tribute to NSX video some time this summer.
@1tonofclay6 жыл бұрын
I'm drooling.
@Porodyn8 жыл бұрын
Where is this in the Bay Area? I'd love to drive here
@sp86938 жыл бұрын
San Francisco area
@kyoakland7 жыл бұрын
Porodyn Oakland area
@cumcrete7165 жыл бұрын
It’s in San jose
@slushpuppyrf8 жыл бұрын
Did the first AP2 you drove have an aftermarket ecu? The rpm hang in throttle sounds to me like a tuning issue I've run into before. If it's a stock ecu then it is a characteristic of DBW.
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Kyle McDuffie stock ECU I believe. Must be a drive by wire quirk.
@JujutsuHeiho8 жыл бұрын
Like the sunglasses.
@musti1437 жыл бұрын
Thinking about trading ap1 for an ap2....Would you say ap2's is more of a smooth ride ? and are less noisy ?
@Zygrene7 жыл бұрын
Yes, AP2 is definitely a more comfortable car. It's not a drastic difference but certainly noticeable.
@sungod19768 жыл бұрын
On the Hawk HP Plus pads you had on your s2000: Any addtional thoughts you an provide on pros and cons for this pad? Ex: Say the user street driving and 2-3 track events a year? How did you deal with the dusting?
@yitznewton8 жыл бұрын
+sungod1976 Relevant thread on S2KI: www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1061934-hawk-hp-pads/
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+sungod1976 I got a lot of brake dust even driving on the street, but for 2-3 track days a year the HP+ performs okay. I found that they hold up if you let them cool after 20 min sessions, but there is a little fade towards the last few minutes of each session.
@TheChannel19788 жыл бұрын
+sungod1976 I used HP+ pads until a month ago. The squeal on the road just drove me insane when pulling into drive ways etc at work. Amazing stopping power though but the compromise is sqeal and dusting.
@danwontv62868 жыл бұрын
would you rather buy an Ap1 S2000 and add suspension/wheel mods or buy an Ap2 S2000? why? :) thanks love your videos.
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+DanWonTV For a fun track toy I would pick AP1 with mods. AP2 is a better street car and is technically faster on track, if you care about lap times.
@danwontv62868 жыл бұрын
Do you think AP1 with mods would completely fix its snap oversteer/twitchiness?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
DanWonTV I haven't driven one at the limit so I can't say for sure, but suspension mods will make a big difference.
@mariom96948 жыл бұрын
+DanWonTV yes the bump steer kit will take care of any "snap" oversteer. a lot of it is also driver error not just having snap oversteer. when the rear end steps out people tend freak out and let off the throttle and that will cause the rear end to slip, doesn't matter if its a ap1/or 2.
@Techinsane0118 жыл бұрын
Myvap2 roof is going any suggestions for a replacement?
@Techinsane0118 жыл бұрын
+Matthew ok thanks will check it out.
@Zinngeschrei6 жыл бұрын
what is a decent mileage to buy a S2000 at considering looking for a stock model, little mods to avoid to many repairs in the beginning?
@Zygrene6 жыл бұрын
I'd say around 100k is plenty low if maintenance is up to date. Compression test is key, especially on AP1 models!
@Zinngeschrei6 жыл бұрын
Zygrene Thanks for the reply, for a first time buyer, would you recommend the ap1 or ap2? Also what needs doing if the compression test is bad?
@Zygrene6 жыл бұрын
@@Zinngeschrei I used to prefer AP1, but if you can afford AP2 I'd choose that. More reliable, easier to drive fast, more tuning options. If compression comes back poor, look into a valve adjustment. If that doesn't fix it, look for a different car.
@Zinngeschrei6 жыл бұрын
Zygrene thanks very much brother, last question for a bit lol. Is best to take it to a Honda shop for the compression report for factory results, or a performance shop? Btw the way got a night in to watch your channel, good stuff
@spencexxx5 жыл бұрын
2:10 Who's he talking to??
@A4ANT3 жыл бұрын
He’s talking to the S2000 Jedi
@cumcrete7165 жыл бұрын
Funny... I go up to that spot often
@DavidCheung8 жыл бұрын
Not sure if it's been asked before, but where is this road?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+David Cheung Felter Rd in San Jose
@DavidCheung8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Gonna cruise around there soon!
@vaajchang8 жыл бұрын
cheers
@90beastmaster7 жыл бұрын
Stahnzer can see the light!
@exlexoliver8 жыл бұрын
Im 6'6. What do you think would I fit in the car?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
You'll fit but it will be very uncomfortable
@TheBb6prelude6 жыл бұрын
K. Olivér I’m 6’1 and I wasn’t to comfortable
@DMX-PAT6 жыл бұрын
When you can push a car and essentially get it to go faster lower speeds than you are winning at life!!
@alleneng6 жыл бұрын
ap1 has better looking front bumper, better looking headlights n rear lights, just looks better overall
@TheBlackmeritum8 жыл бұрын
Thats kinda weird question, but whats your height?
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Dark Liquid 5'7"
@woodywoodlstein95197 жыл бұрын
Get new brackets. They shouldn't rattle.
@ayowser016 жыл бұрын
This is news to me 😅😣
@yitznewton8 жыл бұрын
What, no blue S's?! The steering rack on the AP1 is also quicker, if I've heard correctly. I personally think the stock AP2 sounds a little richer and nicer than the stock AP1, which is noisier and a little rougher around the edges. There are so many different combinations of sway bars and suspension, I wouldn't even worry about AP1 vs AP2 handling per se unless you're staying stock. Even then the AP1 is not too bad IMO, as long as you drive from the back and expect the tail to want to come out when you lift/brake.
@mdcohen8 жыл бұрын
Suzuka blue is dyno tested 15whp more than all the others.
@Zygrene8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Cohen Laguna Blue is where it's at. 150whp more than Suzuka.
@mdcohen8 жыл бұрын
Zygrene unsubscribed ;)
@musti1436 жыл бұрын
would you say the ap1 is noisier all around?? stock
@ToxicHolocaust20508 жыл бұрын
UH OH!! Gay music over that LOVELY S2000 exhaust!!
@danmontoya8775 ай бұрын
The ap2 is the better car. The ap1 is the better s2000.
@Tubs_gaming7 жыл бұрын
Anybody know if an ap1 or 2 is better for an 17 of 18 year old
@TheBb6prelude7 жыл бұрын
ap2 would be better. I hear the ap1 is more tail happy which isn’t something you want if you’re re inexperienced.
@MackDolo6 жыл бұрын
Ap1 looks better imo
@rmahi178 жыл бұрын
Ap1👍Ap2
@BlueRice8 жыл бұрын
i have a 2007 automatic civic... fuck who want to trade?
@Techinsane0118 жыл бұрын
No, thanks but they are cheaper now.
@adidas82878 жыл бұрын
Bro if you were driving my car and say the same thing I would have kicked you out and told you to get your own lol just saying bro you were harsh. Just saying lol
@chris24688888 жыл бұрын
mass produced junk
@emanon3216 жыл бұрын
Would have loved a comparison between bone stock AP1 and AP2, otherwise, great vid. Thanks ya'll.