The PTR 91 Modernization Project

[@dexm2010]

This is probably the most thorough and accurate video out there regarding this subject. I would add a few things: 6:09 - 6:13 If you want to remove the cheek riser on the Spuhr stock in order to use the iron sights, be aware of 2 things. One, even with the cheekpiece removed, it is *literally impossible* to use the iron sights with the stock collapsed all of the way in at its shortest setting; the piece of the buttstock that interfaces with the cheek piece will interfere with your face, and you will not physically be able to smush or contort your face low enough in order to look through the rear sight. In my experience, the stock must be pulled out/back at least 3 clicks in order for your face to sit low enough to align the iron sights (if you have an especially large or "fat" face, you might need to pull out the stock even more than 3 clicks). Further, something that I think is important to note if you insist on using the iron sights with the Spuhr stock after removing the riser....although everyone is a bit different in terms of their face positioning, comfort level, and every rifle is a bit different in terms of recoil/bolt gap, be warned--you might not find the experience very pleasant. If you have the stock extended out only the minimum amount to allow your face to align the iron sights, you need to be *very* careful, because there is a squared off section near the front of the stock that normally is covered by the cheek riser, and it is very close to your face. The potential problem with this, is that if you are shooting in an awkward position, or if you are careless or sloppy in keeping everything tight as you should, that squared off section can come back and hit your face right underneath your eye. I am not saying it will happen to everyone, nor that it will happen every time, but it is not a good thing to have happen. If you must shoot the PTR/G3 with iron sights and Spuhr stock, my advice for the average person would be to either extend the length of the stock all of the way out, or somewhere nearly all of the way out. You lose the length of pull reduction advantage from the stock, but the added length of pull helps greatly to ensure that you get a better cheekweld without concern for that front squared off section possibly recoiling against your face; I personally find it much more comfortable. The Spuhr stock in fairness was designed primarily to be used with optics mounted on the rifle, and for that purpose I think it is fantastic. *I think all things considered, your custom Magpul MOE stock conversion is probably a better idea for most people* . Not only is it cheaper, but because of its contour/shape with the cheek riser(s) removed, I think it would be much more comfortable to use with iron sights than the Spuhr stock. Lastly regarding modernized handguards, a small point, but something I have noticed that is worth mentioning....many of these newer handguards such as the MI, or even PTR's aluminum ones utilize a hex-type screw in place of the original handguard pushpin. I haven't tried the MI one, but I've seen the hex screw on the PTR handguard over time loosen upon recoil; it probably would require some blue loctite to keep it from loosening on its own. Not the end of the world, but I don't necessarily like the idea of not being able to remove the handguard for normal maintenance, or to replace the cocking handle if needed. Both the Spuhr and Brugger and Thomet G3 forends utilize the original handguard pushpin, which stays in place and is easily removed and re-installed. Neither are cheap, and only the B&T comes with rail sections, but the Spuhr is very light and has a contour very similar to the slim plastic handguard.

[@kenn_dang]

Getting and installing an Hk21 buffer would be a good idea too. they really smooth out the gun

[@dexm2010]

@@kenn_dang You raise actually another good point too Denny that I had forgotten about. The Spuhr stock comes with two different pieces (a washer or a collet) to be used with the Spuhr buffer tube. I don't have an HK21 buffer to test in my stock, or a Swedish AK4 long pneumatic buffer to compare with it side by side, but I know the Swedish buffer will fit the Spuhr stock (if the included Buffer Tube Locking Washer is used), as it was a requirement of the Swedish contract that the stock must be able to fit their unique buffer. The HK21 one probably fits, but I am not 100% certain. The regular G3 buffers work fine using the included Buffer Collet, but I have noticed that the "Enhanced Heavy Buffer" for the G3 that HKParts sells have caused me some cycling issues (mostly failure to go completely into battery) when I've used it with the Spuhr stock. Never had any issues previously using the normal G3 buffer with the Spuhr stock, and once I went back to the normal buffer, the issues went away (didn't clean the gun, change the locking piece or rollers or anything like that). Not sure 100% it was the Enhanced Buffer in the stock causing the problem, but it was kind of odd, and did not seem to be an ammo issue as best I could tell.

[@wolfgang1496]

@@kenn_dang that's what I did. But you need the club foot stock to fit it and that stock is much heavier then the others. I also have the b&t rail. But you have to shave the hk 21 cocking handle down for it to clear the handguard

[@Erick_Bloodaxe]

Great post, thank you for the added information. My take away is that if you want that Spuhr stock, save up enough so you can get the stock and optic all at once. That stock is designed for an optic so take the hint. Though honestly, if you as a shooter are on that tight of a budget this isn’t the best rifle for you unless it’s purely a collection thing/toy. What are your thoughts on keeping the original stock and simply running a micro red dot? That would be nearly as low the irons and cheaper than just that stock depending on the sight chosen.

[@dexm2010]

​@@Erick_Bloodaxe Hello, I think you could make something like that work if you had to. *Some* red dots seem to be a bit more forgiving in terms of how good of a cheekweld you can get with the fixed plastic stock and no riser, but I don't think any of them really will ever be optimal without some type of (at least minimal) riser. A *potential* advantage in trying to make do with a suboptimal cheek weld on an unmodified fixed stock and a red dot, is that if you have a RDS with quick detach mount, you can use the irons normally without worrying about having to unscrew a cheek riser in a hurry. Most people aren't going to consider that an ideal trade-off though, if they are going to be mounting an optic as the primary sighting system. There was a really excellent cheekpiece designed for the fixed plastic stock that could be attached and unattached in seconds (with NO tools!) but my understanding is that the company that made it is no longer in business. The stock is listed on RTG Parts website, but I don't think he will be getting any more in: www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-CHEEK-PIECE-p1879.htm There is a picture out there of a German paratrooper(?) (I forget the specific term they use) from maybe 7 or 8 years ago with a very similar looking cheekpiece designed to be removed quickly from a G3 fixed stock, but I cannot find it at the moment. You could of course always make your own cheek piece/riser out of simple foam and duct tape, it doesn't need to be expensive or elaborate at all...the only thing with that is, if you go that route, there is a possibility you will make it so that now you will be unable to get your face low enough to use the iron sights with your make-shift riser on the stock. I suppose a *possible* work around for this would be to try to place your cheek riser farther back on the stock, trying to leave some room in the front to place your face low enough for the irons, but I'm not sure how comfortable that would be. There are probably other cheek pieces that are not made specifically for the G3/PTR but for other rifles like AKs that *might* work with a G3 stock too, but you'd have to look into that. I would try to find something ideally that could be removed without tools, at least if you were concerned with using the iron sights (if not, no big deal). Whatever you do, please don't do something like the Brit operator at 12:09 did, fabricating a cheekpiece on the A4 retractable stock. That stock is about 1 lb heavier than the fixed plastic stock, and with the fabricated cheekpiece added on to it, the primary function of the A4 stock (collapsing down to make getting in/out of vehicles and tight spaces easier) is now rendered useless. (I understand why he did it that way, the "K" model is a little lighter, and he was probably working with equipment limitations, so I'm not picking on him at all, but if I had other choices to accomplish the same thing on a G3, I would have done things differently). Hopefully some of this has been helpful.

[@BrassFacts]

The more he hates what he is reviewing. The more enjoyment I get from the video. I've had so many projects like this that it's kinda cathartic to watch someone else suffer.

[@tomsmith2209]

Schadenfreude is real

[@mattysee24]

But you hate everything, brass facts. Debbie downer, had to stop watching your depressing ass vids

[@teutonictovarish9626]

"I'm going to miss it, but I'm also sick of fucking looking at it" describes many of my sold/traded firearms

[@jbloun911]

I say this to my ex gfs

[@petergriffin383]

*BLASPHEMY!!* Gun Lives Matter!

[@MagicPrepper]

I am modernizing a M1A right now and this video has rehashed alot of trauma.

[@MagicPrepper]

@Rando mainly the M apparently haha

[@snek9353]

Why?

[@MagicPrepper]

@@snek9353 as a challenge

[@snek9353]

@@MagicPrepper Well I'm sure you're succeeding in that.

[@touofthehighplains]

Unless you have a sage chassis you're wrong.

[@Detective.John.Kimble]

The first lesbian to review a ptr. This is groundbreaking

[@mitchwerbell4679]

"The Gun Lesbians Love to Hate."

[@rawchickensandwich]

He’s not a lesbian he’s ripley from Alien

[@OEFvet0311]

Stunning and brave.

[@notaboutit3565]

Best tactical lesbian ever deployed to KZbin

[@jaredtimm327]

It's too heavy for her to add a metal lower or a trigger job

[@vorz]

I wasn’t ready for the “I hate that fuhckin gun” and it sent me full on rolling.

[@bruceglock5725]

Funny as fuck!

[@sbragan5lg76i]

rolling delayed

[@randystrand908]

Yes, that WAS the funniest line!🤣

[@Craig52-zq1bt]

I hate that my PTR 91 is...heavy, awkward with poorly designed trigger/ mag release. Poor design for the master race. Still...I sold all my FALs because I am old, but still have the '91.

[@Tofu61]

"A cope-M4, if you will." MY FUCKING SIDES

[@blackrat1228]

New meme incoming

[@therandomdickhead5744]

read it before hearing it was still funny af

[@InputHercules]

Go ahead, spend your money. Thousands of dollars later how is that now?

[@Tofu61]

@@InputHercules are you having a stroke?

[@MJLai85]

My PTR sits with an Mlok rail, Magpul MVG, Magpul bipod, and a PA 1-6. Hella heavy, unwieldy, and annoying to accessorize. But if I ever need to go out for 6 months shooting at pirates in the Gulf of Aden, it might be an ok option.

[@unavailableusername9694]

Yup, mine has a Knight rail fore grip, PSG-1 trigger group with an adjustable stock (I think it's from an m91?), IOR 1-6 Scope, one piece Rhienmetal bolt carrier. It's almost as accurate as my 700 police of the same caliber, but it's so damn heavy it feels like a workout shooting it offhand. Off a bipod though it's quite fun. If I have to grab a rifle to repel bad guys though, I'll grab an AR.

[@mattezuka1274]

I've got a ptr32 (don't ask why). It's got almost no recoil, but I only use it with a bipod because of the weight. It's fun but man do I hate to doing run and gun practice with it

[@makevelicustoms]

@@unavailableusername9694 that’s cool AF, a PSG-1 trigger group and a knights fore grip. Ps IOR Makes some of the best Optics.

[@17njl01]

@@mattezuka1274 why

[@EvanDickersonM81]

As a lefty I'm glad you keep giving us shout outs man.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

I don't know how to hate you. I think I hate you for being wrong handed but fuck Marx just in case.

[@AOMartialArts]

Same!!

[@jamespassapae7281]

See Ian's g3 custom on forgotten weapons he has a lefty g3 with spur furniture

[@NewbombedTurk]

I bought a lefty cocking tube for my PSG clones that I’m having built, but decided to go with the HK righty tube instead. I seriously toss around just having the lefty tube put on it regularly.

[@sabo55]

They fear us lefthanded folk after all we tend to be assassins riiight ;)

[@fuzzyreticle]

If little kids in Africa can run the G3 so can you.

[@echodelta2172]

look, nobody said they run it WELL...

[@fuzzyreticle]

@@echodelta2172 good enough to plant a whole lot of motherfuckers.

[@calholli]

I don't think you know what the word 'modern means.

[@fuzzyreticle]

@@calholli doesn’t matter if it’s modern or not. It works. We spend a lot “modernizing” the Ak and AR platforms also. These just take a little extra because the Hk engineers hate people. They never envisioned all the wiz bang force multiplayers we have now 60 years ago.

[@charlessalmond7076]

@deserada so it works, it just doesn't make financial sense?

[@madeconomist458]

"Segment of the population who matters" *Ian McCollum has left the server*

[@mechatengu7368]

Rip gun jesus

[@MongooseTacticool]

Also Garand Thumb and Larry Vickers? IIRC But they shoot right handed.

[@MusikCabaret]

pretty ignorant comment of his, if you ask me.

[@acemace3618]

*Ian uploads latest video* Ian has re-entered the chat

[@haley746]

There’s your problem, he should *right* the server Ba dum tuss

[@Zoraxon]

Keymod works for The Home Depot's shelving so it's good enough for you gun

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Only if you are the caliber of person who notices Home Depot's shelving setup.

[@kepofshangri-la8942]

Gross.

[@evangraham]

Local Sams Club and i think a Fedex went to MLOK

[@majestic._]

@@evangraham that name...a man of class.

[@citizenkane454]

Works for walmart too. Shit holds on like no other. I prefer keymod. Often lighter and I just think it looks cooler. Plus I have a shit load of rails for keymod and only one mlok

[@centermass4552]

Back in college in the 90s, my good friend had a HK91. This was during the AWB so you trained with what you had. He shot the hell out of it. Took what classes you could back then. That thing was a beast.

[@brettalexander220]

I knew a guy who had al sorts of illegal shit during the AWB. guy had connections, I was envious. Died in a gun battle 15 years ago with some bikers. RIP Jimmyxxx, you are missed

[@jacksonsinclair2615]

@@brettalexander220 play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

[@goobcity]

@@brettalexander220 RIP King

[@jager6863]

By buddy bought a HK91 in 1982 and it just ran. Only issue we ever ran into was when the gun jammed and it looked like the bullet had backed off into the case. Turns out that the gun ripped the fired cartridge case in half and ejected the back portion, The next round chambered and welded itself to the cartridge that was ripped in-half. Used a cleaning rod to knock the round out of the chamber, reload and the gun ran flawlessly after that with no other failures ever. He paid $550 in 1982, which is to about $1,800.00 today,

[@gorkadon2414]

The ptr is the lifters gun.

[@CREEPINGIRON]

I have a Galil on the way, do I lift too?

[@durkhurker6268]

@@CREEPINGIRON .308?

[@CREEPINGIRON]

@@durkhurker6268 She is a 5.56.

[@tubeguy4066]

@@CREEPINGIRON weak boy

[@CREEPINGIRON]

@@tubeguy4066 Believe me I had my sights set on the .308, but this opportunity just came up so suddenly.

[@son12509]

This video is the "trying to turn a gun into something it's not" come to life.

[@uniqueyuhnork]

My idea for my 91 was to keep it simple and don't even attempt to modify it for night vision. Bare minimum add a red dot, flash light, sling. It's more useful than a M1A but less useful than an AR-10. Break it in to be mostly reliable, shoot it, learn the weapon system, maybe upgrade the recoil spring and buffer ring but otherwise run it as is. Ak guys who actually train have a saying don't m4 your AK and I think that applies to any G3 variant too.

[@jackjmaheriii]

My wife is adorable and she says “smoosh”, when I’m feeling adorable I say “smoosh”, so hearing “smoosh” in a battle rifle upgrade video is hilarious. And adorable.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Cool wife

[@jackjmaheriii]

Cool video. Keep up the good work partner.

[@jakegrube9477]

lucky bastard

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@jakegrube9477 Hop has replied to me before too

[@jakegrube9477]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 talking about the guy with a wife

[@ZetaReticuli87]

I'm in the Swedish Home guard and the rifle is named AK4 here. Recently got the stock changed to the spuhr stock and it has done wonders for me in the sense that it got shorter. I'm not very tall and with a shorter stock I found it easier to control. Being able to hold it closer to the muzzle made it easier to control the recoil, and it is quite precise over longer distances as well. I like this more than the AK5 that the Swedish army uses.

[@bullzebub]

yeah. the ak4 stock is way too long. removing the rubber pad also does wonders.

[@kylezornes6842]

Can't we all just admit that the only reason to buy a g3 is because they look cool and are nostalgic. Plus mags are 7 bucks.

[@obviousgreyman]

“Unusable for left handed shooters” Ian McCollum: “and I took that personally”

[@ozdavemcgee2079]

And leftys are what 5% and statistically artsy types. I met a good 20k soldiers in my time in the army a further 2 to 4k civvie shooters. Only ever met 1 lefty. Trained in SLR L1A1. At the time lefty was becoming a modern ( I believe marketing dollar thing rather than actual numbers of use) someone was like is there a left vers..nope fuk em. They learn to shoot or die

[@wanderingwonder111]

Doesn't Ian dislike the g3?

[@austinwiorek5407]

@@ozdavemcgee2079 that’s hilarious cause myself and half my squad overseas were all lefties 😂 then you get that weird fuck who shoots rifle lefty but pistol righty. Fucked up

[@DeltaElite121]

The easy fix for this is actually making an ambidextrous, modular setup. I am a lefty and my go-to are bullpup style rifles as a result of this. Easy to use, and only "clunky" if you're trying to force your experience from an AR into a rifle that is everything but that. I also have two PTR's, but it's definitely funky when it comes to reloading. Still enjoy them, though!

[@obviousgreyman]

@@austinwiorek5407 I’m that weird fuck. I wish I wasn’t but I’m blind in my right eye and right handed. I’ve thought about switching to full lefty but it’s actually kind of handy to be able to get your shooting hand on your pistol while transitioning your rifle down with your left. It works well so why change it.

[@bhoward9378]

Great video showing the limitations of the design. I've had my PTR-100 GI for a little over a year. No malfunctions and about 250 rounds in (I know, I know... but in 2020 and early 2021 I could have had plenty of ammo or shot a lot; I opted for having plenty of ammo). The only add-ons I got were a West German Bundeswehr surplus claw mount and two surplus wood furniture sets. The stock sets went from reasonably priced to almost unobtainium last year. It is the perfect rifle for my needs: a general purpose rifle for the North Cascade mountains. It looks cool, is reliable, accurate, and will kill anything in North America out to 400 yards with irons or 800 with a scope. I would NOT want this rifle for a modern combat or night time role of any sort. I'm very satisfied with it because in my mind it's an historical rifle and I don't have modern expectations of it.

[@tinkerjeeppublications9823]

I always wanted to ask someone who spent $300 on a claw mount if it was worth the money. Is it?

[@bhoward9378]

@@tinkerjeeppublications9823 That's a tough one. I'm inclined to say no. The rifle is apparently out of spec ever so slightly but just enough so that the claw mount doesn't mount where it should, but directly forward of the proper location. I have so far been unable to zero the scope at the range because the rounds aren't on paper. I need to find a measured 100 yard range that allows a sheet of plywood with an X in it or something. I could do that in the woods somewhere, but where I live it's mountainous and 100 level yards are hard to find. So, no. It's not worth it. Get a PTR100 with the pic rail welded on it and forget the claw mount. Spend $300 on ammo instead.

[@tinkerjeeppublications9823]

@@bhoward9378 I feel for you, man. I have similar issues with the top flat of my GI receiver being slightly tilted to one side, so the "bolt-on" rails are not level and flat. I can add a typical bolt on rail, then clamp a Pic rail riser onto that, and my Sig dot on it's riser onto that, and it leans to one side like the tower of Pisa. So my optics have to be low and light weight. The MFI Ultra Low Rise mini rail is perfect for my needs with the Sig Romeo 5. Both are low, small, lightweight, and quality . Also, most of those HK claw mounts were fitted to specific service rifles by the armorers of which ever military or paramilitary force used them. They are not a Glock. Some fitting is required. Sight in at 35 yards. Spec on these guns with 7.6NATO is zero them at 35 yards. And once done, the POI will be the same at 35 and 200 yards. If you cant see further than 100 yards due to terrain, you dont need a scope. That's why US military thinking justified 5.56 and iron sights on the M16s. Everyone could hit that far, and most infantry combat occurred within that range. Go to the western prairies and the full potential of 308 and a scope becomes a factor.

[@brettalexander220]

the g3 has its advantages over an ar for combat. The roller lock is violent enough to clear debris from the action and its more accurate

[@brettalexander220]

tinkerjeep. The m16 and by extension all intermediates are basically oversized smg's

[@echodelta2172]

Going the knockoff Swedish AK4 route? A man of culture, I see.

[@manganvbg90]

The swedish ak4 has metal trigger housing. Much more ergonomic than blocky polymer grip a la g36

[@thejunky1908]

@@manganvbg90 problem is BATFags. USA allowed versions cant have the opportunity to mate with an original cetme/hkg3 trigger housing. The front housing pins to the receiver are replaced with a bulky shelf that a crossbar in the housing (where some giggle bits would be) rests on, which is why they seem so bulky. fun fact, if you remove the trigger housing and put a hole for normal trigger housings to connect to, you now have a felony on your hands as its now easily convertible to full auto.

[@manganvbg90]

@@thejunky1908 ptr makes versions with clipped and pinnes metal housings aswell

[@BamaPewPew]

@@thejunky1908 I bought a surplus CETME L housing and selector lever, trimmed the hole in the front of trigger housing and the wings until it matched the shelf. It sits on the shelf, held in by the stock. Functions great and only cost about $20. Clipped and pinned housings go for insane prices IMHO

[@davidbell1619]

Not chasing any AR, for anything. My PTR does what I got it for.

[@joemama.556]

give it 1000 rounds and both you and the rifle will be set to go! I talk by experience, thats more or less how long it took me to consider my dad's cetme a good fighting rifle, we got it new and we thought it was trash until we broke it in.

[@elg7365]

Yeah it all about training. But is combat training weight is a huge factor.

[@tristar-tinker_3706]

I love mine only because it ruins brass for the fudds

[@rodgersmith1573]

HA! I love that! I went to my first public range sometime last year (usually I just shoot at the house), and found it was true. Of course, some old geezer walks up, "Hey, you plan to keep your brass?"... The politeness in me said, "Go ahead, man.". But, inside my head I was saying, "Get the fuck out of here!".. Oh well. Doubt he'll be making much use of brass from a fluted chamber, ejected into low orbit.

[@basicallyhell4150]

Not really true they reload fluted 308 all the time especially in the middle east

[@300blk8]

@@rodgersmith1573 I don't have any problem reloading that shit it's only dumbasses that don't know how to do it

[@rodiculous9464]

>using brass to begin with Ngmi

[@davidycedo1606]

I have had my g3 clone for over 5 years at first it destroys the brass then i took scotch bright and a old 3o caliber bore Bush with copper past compound and polished it after the 2nd polishing also no fluting marker with full load 150 165 180 and 200 i can get over 8 to 12 reloads per case and the extraction impulse is less then 1/2 of what it was i have over 2000 rounds fired in the rifle i came a cross a parts store the had the original full bcg assembly fa and factory nos ni complete lower metal fcg and i ordered two all the parts was under 175.00 the new bolt gap is out of the 2.0 to 5.0 a 3.0 my old bcg is a LOSE 2.25 just think 65 year old new parts for 60% of a prt newly available bcg. This gun is so sweet every one is in shock after shooting it i tell them l just got a gem not very many g3 ptr c308e. sa centme's or clones will be anything like mine.

[@johanj3674]

You had more problems in 20 minutes with the PTR than I've had in 20 years with the Ak4.

[@MusikCabaret]

its obvious to me that he bought a brand new PTR and he had not done enough research and break in period for the rifle. You get alot of problems with the first 100 rounds and after that, nothing stops it.

[@randomidiot8142]

@@MusikCabaret except accessory mounting that gets it out of the cold war.

[@tomtom590]

He got pretty unlucky never had a single failure in 2k rounds with my ptr

[@mmmmurphy]

@@tomtom590 not as many rounds through mine somewhere around 500 and problem free

[@Aurora1211]

I think the different battery of arms that comes with the G3 is what really messes people up in regards to it's capabilities. That being said, I think you hurt the gun's feelings cause I've never seen someone with so much bad luck with this platform LOL

[@perseusrex614]

Yeah, this thing is definetaly not made to be a night gun, but I humped it around in the army for 18 months no problem in all conditions and I trust it with my life over most other options out there. He must of gotten a bad one, and/or he is used to different platforms. He should have sent it back for repairs.

[@kyotra]

You'd think that when HK tried making a successor to the MP5 they'd be like "Hey, let's just take this reliable roller-lock system, apply some modern engineering, and iron out all the awkward bits." Instead we got the UMP....

[@majestic._]

I've always felt the UMP gets more hate than it deserves. It's genuinely an improvement over the MP5 but just not enough to make it it's successor.

[@kyotra]

@@majestic._ I don't think anyone hates the UMP, it's just disappointing - plenty of competent blowback SMGs came before and after it that were far more affordable and just as reliable. The UMP isn't really the rub here anyways - it's the fact that H&K completely discounted and/or ignored what made the MP5 popular. People were (and still are) more than willing to put up with the weight and price (despite cheaper and lighter options), the roller-lock system was (is) just that good. I'm not sure what's happened to H&K's management or culture over the years, but whatever it is they've clearly thrown out most of their originality and inventiveness in order to produce the same cookie-cutter shit every other company makes these days.

[@shockwave6213]

The UMP isn't an improvement over anything, but its not a step back either. Its a sidestep evolution. To help break down my rationale, I'll break down some of the basics of SMG generations: Gen 1: Milled receivers, expensive to make and heavy. Good Examples are the MP-18 and Thompson. Gen 2: Stamped sheet metal or tube receivers. Very cheap and easy to produce. Great examples are the MP-40, Sten and Grease Gun. Gen 3: This is a hotly debated step whether or not its actually a new generation or continuation of Gen 2 but the key difference is that these SMGs start getting shorter and more compact by putting the magazine in the grip using telescoping bolts or other methods to keep a longer barrel. Uzi and MAC 10 for example. Gen 4: Gen 3 SMGs diverge from Gen 2 by adding a little more cost to their manufacturing, but gain improved controllability and user friendliness by using shrunken down rifle operating systems, ergos and moving primarily to a closed bolt. Examples of course include the MP5 family, MP7 and the MPX My point: The UMP is fundamentally a Gen 2 SMG but with injection molded polymer replacing sheet steel, adding a dash of Gen 3 modernization features and using a closed bolt (which some Gen 1 and 2 SMGs used). A bit long winded but context is everything in these things.

[@kyotra]

@@shockwave6213 Your reasoning sounds largely arbitrary. First off, despite my complaints the UMP _is_ one of the earliest steps towards "modern" SMGs (such as the Scorpion Evo 3 or APC9) - guns with modernized controls and ergonomics, standardized accessory attachment points, modular components/furniture, and polymer or milled aluminum receivers. These are nowhere near being in the same class as a bunch of old WWII weapons. Secondly, your classification of the MP5 as being so generationally distinct from the Uzi or MAC-10 is bizarre, considering all three guns originate from the same time period (late 50s to 60s). Functionally different of course, but all three originate among a host of Cold War-era SMGs trying different things. Last thing I want to address is your description of AR9-style firearms as "using shrunken down rifle operating systems" - that is not accurate in the slightest. There are exactly _two_ SMGs in the world that do this: the MP5, which uses a variant of the roller-delayed blowback system from the G3 family of rifles; and the SIG MPX, which uses an extremely shortened version of the short-stroke piston system seen in the MCX rifle series. Every other modern SMG uses either direct blowback, or a proprietary delayed-blowback system designed specifically for that gun.

[@shockwave6213]

@@kyotra You were right about the AR 9 and I edited to omit that gun but also added the MP7 as a short stroke gas piston operated gun. Guess I was tired that day. My classifications and reasoning stem straight from Ian at Forgotten Weapons and I'd wager he knows more about guns than just about anyone else. In this video at about 15 minutes in, he also agrees the UMP is Gen 2 with newer materials. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3nVl6urlLBsfrssi=Ydg489ECZTEcPr92

[@SmithASB]

Knowing Hop and where he is I feel a PTR/G3 is an ideal pick to have on hand to enjoy in the PNW

[@ReptilianLepton]

Good Bigfoot defense gun?

[@aljgreer]

Curious about your thoughts on why

[@andreivaldez2929]

As opposed to an AR-10?

[@calholli]

I got the C308 ... and as soon as I opened the box and picked it up, I knew exactly what Nutnfancy meant by SAWC.

[@Hoplopfheil]

@@ReptilianLepton bigfoot lives in British Columbia

[@pedrotome9119]

Hello there! I am portuguese and this country had and still have the H&K G-3, in 7,62X51mms since the 60s. We took it to the ex colonial war (1961-75) and I had to join the regular army of Portugal, and the G-3 was still around in full use. (1985/6) What a battle rifle. I'd go to war with it. Portugal had its own production under license from H&K. Now we got nothing!! 😢😢 Glad to hear from you all this work, and I am happy that others still and can enjoy shooting this. I miss "my" G-3, despite not needing it to defend me and my love ones, so far... I will have to turn to a replica... (This is so stupid and weird...) Thank you for reading my boring and idiot comment. Meanwhile I wish you just the very best!!!

[@ReverendMeat51]

TBH the best configuration for any G3 clone is cold war aesthetic because sometimes cool > practical. Same for the FAL and MP5. Fun project though, and I'd really be into a similar video about the AUG. It's mostly good with just a couple things that need to be tweaked

[@MusikCabaret]

what do you mean for the MP5? that thing is a monster!

[@KBKriechbaum]

A lot of civilian shooters in the US seem to misunderstand this rifle when they say that it is "horrible". Whatever you look at, you need to look at the purpose the thing was designed for. It was never designed to shoot little targets on the range 50m away from you. In the army doctrine, squads would be equipped with UZI SMGs for the shorter ranges. The G3 is essentially following a WW2 design philosophy and like the FAL got enlarged to this weight and size because the US were pushing the 7.62x51 cartridge. Originally both CETME and FAL were designed for a shorter cartridge. What the G3 is doing right is good accuracy and effective range, extremely rugged, long lasting, cheap to manufacture, easy to maintain and excellent reliability. Hence its widespread use around the globe.

[@fiskersproductions]

Yeah the ar10 does it objectively better

[@KiithnarasAshaa]

I rock an original PTR 91F. I haven't had nearly the issues you describe, short of the break in period with numerous ejection failures which had to be resolved by a replacement ejection lever. She runs and feeds and ejects fine. But yeah, she is heavy and does do a lot of pushing-around. Those buffer-tube stocks alone look well worth it.

[@randymaclean2707]

You make perhaps the highest quality videos in the genre. Each one adds substantially to our collective knowledge, particularly in understanding the use of the equipment for shooting in something above a square range environment. The night vision information is particularly helpful and there are very few high quality videos of the type. Thank you! I'll be watching and sharing your videos for as long as you make them. 👍🏻

[@The_Hi_Life]

My century C308 has had literally “0” malfunctions in the 3 years I’ve had it and roughly 500 rounds I’ve put through it, mostly steel case. And with Gold Medal Match, it’s damn near MOA at 100 yards. It was $650 out the door… I put a Burris LPVO on it, still have stock furniture and have no problems hitting torso sizes targets out to 500yards.

[@charlessalmond7076]

I think a lot of people confuse Century arms first CETME with the C308. When I picked mine up Wally world had perfecta ammo for $7 a box. Over two thousand rounds, no failures.

[@matts1166]

I also picked up a C308 about 2.5 years ago. My only mods were a sling, a new (cheap) front hand guard with bottom picatinny rail only, a really beefy vertical grip, and a See-Thru Open Site. I got mine as an overstock firesale from Centerfire Systems for $499. At that price I couldn't pass it up.

[@ep2295]

>500 rounds in 3 years, burris, lpvo, muh no jams Unholy justasgood copepost, god damn

[@charlessalmond7076]

@@ep2295 I owned a Hk-91 in the 90s, I prefer the C308. Just my opinion.

[@Sunfade38]

@@ep2295 LMAO, it writes itself.

[@carlsberg-gs6rl]

I can't watch more Nutnfancy. There isn't enough time in the day to view one video.

[@dexm2010]

Lol His videos (mostly) are shorter these days, but you could always watch them on 2x speed...

[@chmandcrm]

This is honestly one of the only guns I want to buy even though it would be pretty much useless to me. Wouldn’t do any modernization, I’d try to get it as close to a g3a3

[@rowdyzack5914]

Mostly useless? At least its a good workout

[@chmandcrm]

@@rowdyzack5914 hahaha good point

[@74camarolt]

Same here. Not sure where my fascination came from, but I’ve always wanted a plain G3a3 clone. After all of the research, they make little sense compared to the competition. But, damn, do they look cool.

[@JasonSmith-qj5zp]

Ya and add the wood furniture.

[@OreGear]

It sucks that you’ve had so many issues with your PTR. I’ve had a great experience with the C308 I got a few years ago, but I recognize I’m one of the few.

[@charlessalmond7076]

My C308 has run like a Swiss clock. No break in period.

[@davidycedo1606]

My c308e runs fantastic i polished the chamber and it does not destroy the brass anymore its fully reloadable many many times over.

[@kadendaniels934]

I got a 2020 production PTR GI mine worked great first day at the range with steel and brass. I was surprised to hear his result

[@lilbiscuitable]

My C308 hasn't had a single malfunction.

[@flamingmoose1479]

Same here. Mine will happily eat everything from 145gr 7.62 to 180gr .308, and I personally like it more than the AR-10 platform. Nothing beats the HK slap.

[@mulisha0351]

my PTR91 has been flawless and has yet to jam, or failure to fire. its a tank of a rifle and just as good as anything out there. it all comes down to how much you practice with it. i prefer my ptr91 over any m4 or ar-10.

[@MajorCox777]

Dude I said this the other day, Hop looks like all the guns that he owns. This G3 exemplifies my assessment.

[@rustys.1070]

the g3 does not look like a twink

[@773tacticalboy]

All Im getting from this video is that I still wanna build me a PTR regardless of weight.

[@Smarterthanasocialist]

I like the way you put this,"It doesn't beat you up, but it does push you around." Never heard that before, excuse my ignorance, but well said. I own an AR-10 type by Windham Weaponry, a Springfield M1A as well as a PTR-91, so I have some experience with the .308 win/7.62. The HK 91 design is a great shooter in my humble opinion, but this thing is a Battle Rifle. It is an accurate Battle Rifle, other than that, it has so little to offer compared to other platforms and the other platforms, especially the AR-10, have an aftermarket that allows a personal critique not found with the HK91.

[@jackshyt4]

Why does the mall keep letting this mannequin escape?

[@calholli]

I don't get it

[@almostontimehero5415]

It comes to life after midnight or when James sends it a new gun.

[@gsxr1189]

@@calholli I think he's making fun of Hop's pale complexion.

[@judofry]

He is armed

[@IAM-M1A]

​@@gsxr1189and because he always wears shades like a mannequin.

[@ChristianMarks-v8z]

That’s crazy man. My PTR 91 has been through 1100 rounds some steel some not with only being cleaned. One time at the 400 round mark never had any jams or any issues at all whatsoever and I abuse the duck out of this gun. The only thing I did is when I first got it. I filled stripped it all down, cleaned it and put my own lubricant and grease on everything. I used Lucas heavy duty, engine oil, stabilizer for cars, and Lucas, red and tacky. Gun runs like a beast.

[@soulsphere1749]

For real, that's about my story too. PTR-32 and it just eats anything, brass and steel (mainly Wolf steel now). Not one failure -- TBH I was pretty worried about the break-in period and others online saying how they got lemons.

[@gabrielheng2224]

Add a paracord between the sling and the metal attachment will allow it to drop off without impeding the functioning of the charging handle. Also, put the single eye NOD on non master eye, in case light comes on, then u can use your master eye to aim thru the optics.

[@sirbondman007]

You know, you sound great, have sage commentary, and present a firearm for what it is in reality. Super job, Keep it up!

[@riflemanm16a2]

I dumped some money into mine when it was my only rifle, but I came to the same conclusion. It's too heavy and unwieldy as well. I just dressed it up a bit with carry handle and heat shield handguard to look cool and use iron sights. It's a range toy/backup rifle, and that's it. Mags used to be $1-3 a pop, so it was pretty cheap to load up. I probably should've got a FAL though.

[@dexm2010]

@ Riflemanm 16a2 He is a brave man to oufit his PTR with ALL of this stuff. I have one with a Spuhr stock/hanguard/top rail and an optic (the Trijicon TA33 that I had was the lightest one). Any more than that and maybe a light, I think is really pushing it. It can be done, but most people will probably come to the same conclusion he did.

[@hellcatdave1]

FAL is no different than a G3 they are both "outclassed" by modern battle rifles. In many ways the G3 will edge out the FAL especially in terms of accuracy and reliability.

[@angryjackalx]

I’ve owned both. Got disappointed when my FAL’s charging handle came off in my hand on one range trip because the only thing keeping it attached to the gun is a single little pin and the handle shaft is so thin it bent. Sold my FAL and PTRs and bought a SCAR.

[@almostontimehero5415]

I modernized my FAL. Only Grip is that it is heavy, despite starting out as an 18" Para FAL which is lighter than the classic FAL. I can get between 1.5 and 2MOA with it.

[@angryjackalx]

@@almostontimehero5415 Para is way to go. Classic FAL also has the worst damn iron sights.

[@thenathanB2011]

this 20 minute long video is a great affirmation of why the ar platform is just so gosh dang good

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Or the fact that HK doesn't just standardize the AK4D for US market😂😂. Also AR15 or AR18 Variants have way more US research and development thus the platform has more options readily available. If Battle rifles like the AR10/SR25 were more readily available itd be just as good of a platform.

[@stevenmerlock9971]

Then there are those of us who really don’t care about optics, weight or all the gizmos that don’t make a person a marksman. I prefer the G3 over AR’s I just love them🥰

[@D3adP00I]

I really appreciate your combination of high quality detailed information, combined with humor

[@mguerrrero]

I run my GI Retractable stock Wide green handguard That's it Recoil isn't even that bad tbh

[@Detective.John.Kimble]

Ive read on forums that you can change the locking piece to help mitigate recoil as well, especially when shooting suppressed.

[@dexm2010]

@@rwcjcf6266 I have noticed also that some fixed plastic stocks are noticeably more or less comfortable than others to use, even within the same gun that might have an "ideal" bolt-gap. It probably does have something to do with recoil and buffer springs as eventually they will wear out (ranges that rent full autos probably accelerate this process quite a bit). I've never gone to the trouble to replace recoil springs but partly that is due to the fact that entire fixed stock assemblies have usually been reasonably cheap and available.

[@dexm2010]

@@Detective.John.Kimble I can't speak to shooting suppressed, but as far as recoil, changing the locking piece in a round-about way might slightly affect perceived recoil, but it is highly unlikely you are going to notice a difference simply with that change. More than anything else, the "Bolt-Gap", the distance between the back of the bolt head and the bolt carrier after the trigger has been pulled, is what is going to affect how "light", or how "hard" the recoil is felt by the shooter. The lower the Bolt Gap, the "harder" the gun is going to recoil. Some people will claim that heavy buffers will dramatically mitigate felt recoil from PTRs/G3s when used in place of the regular buffer, in the same stock, and that might be their own experience, but I have not seen this personally to really be true (just my opinion). The official tolerance numbers I guess have been amended over time by HK, but supposedly the official tolerance the G3/MP5 has for its Bolt Gap is as high as .020 of an Inch, and as low as .004 of an Inch (.508 mm to 0.1016 mm). I would *NOT* want to shoot a G3 with a Bolt Gap all the way down at .004.

[@chmandcrm]

Hell yea, that’s how you do it

[@garythornbury9793]

i dont think mine recoils bad.

[@higgydufrane]

Thank you very much for this video Hop, as a HK91 owner (a long time ago), I appreciate your take on the good and bad of this type of gun. Thanks Again...

[@theqman4136]

There was this one company who developed an AR-10 receiver to take HKG3 magazines so you could use cheap surplus magazines instead of the more expensive Magpul AR10 magazines. I really liked the idea of it tbh but I didn’t snag one when they did release them. I believe it was a limited run.

[@f308gtb1977]

As someone who owns a PTR91, an HK91, and who owned a C308, I l absolutely loved this video Hop. THANKS!!!

[@crowsbridge]

On my PTR91 GI, if I get a low profile mount red dot I find I don't need the riser on the stock, so I swapped it out for the MFT mini. Used the magpul mp5 lower and a wood handguard. Heavy PCS recoil buffer. Got it to 9.5 lbs, still heavy, but about as good as you can get these. Very first round out of it stove-piped, but I haven't had a single malfunction after that for years.

[@McGriddy51095]

i like this guy. his humor is good and said so seriously that it adds extra punch.

[@gng2919]

Relatively unrelated tip: One of the heavy rubber buttpads for the standard fixed stocks do a great deal in mitigating felt recoil IF you're ok with rocking irons.

[@tasjan9190]

Man Hop's channel is one the best gun/gear channels around. Been binge watching for a couple days and Hop does a great job sharing his knowledge on the stuff he covers. Could you really ask for more than that? Keep rockin' Hop.

[@canebrakeruffian1122]

Bro, this is hands down, one of the top three gun vids on KZbin in 20 years. Fantastic fucking writing, great wit, hella good research and knowledge bombs. The quality of and time put into this vid should make the top personalities in the industry scared or jealous. Or both. Mad chops, dude!

[@phillipcleary734]

I've had my H&K 91 since 1983 and have never had a failure to fire ever. I've shot most of the surplus back then and any junk that turned up in between. The claw mounts work fine for any 30mm tube, the slim hand-guard works well, and the original collapsible stock works great but length of pull leaves much to be desired.As far as manual of arms goes, you have to remember that this design goes back to the late 30's. Practice with the rifle and you will become proficient. Comparing it to a modern gun is an apple to oranges comparison. If you compare it to it's competitors at the when issued you will find that it was quite an innovative weapon.

[@fiskersproductions]

G3: Old School cool, in a world of new hotness

[@jmitchell6094]

Outside of forgotten weapons for Ian’s historical information, this is the best gun channel on KZbin. Thanks Hop. You’re the shit.

[@longboi8540]

How have I never heard of you before? This is an awesome channel. Also, it's so weird to see reliability issues with these things. I had a century C308 back in the day and it was perfectly reliable after 5k+ rounds. I know that's not very much but for a broke teenager that shit fuckin rocked. Such a fun gun....when they work. But I never even had as much as a stovepipe. No out of batteries or misfeeds. I think I got whatever the opposite of a lemon is.

[@rustys.1070]

and c308s are the worse versions of these

[@bcav712]

I saw one of these at my local gun shop and I was thinking of buying it but you changed my mind. Thanks so much for saving me $1k!

[@JustSumGuy01]

I also bought this same PTR and it's basically a cool old school gun to shoot. I've gotten a red dot on it, swapped out the stock to put a Magpul stock like yours and since I'm not using it for HD defense or my go to gun, it has a simple sling and no lights. I didn't want to waste more money to get the M-Lok rails or 1913s. There's no point. I got better more modern guns for this

[@Jake_Kern]

After buying a Springfield M1A as my first rifle, and being a glutton for punishment, I followed you and bought a PTR91 with the 16in barrel, but no rail. so happy to be in another love/hate relationship 🙃. I think it would be an absolute riot to see you give an M1A the same treatment as a PTR. You'd probably hate it, but it would be a joy to watch 🤣

[@shockwave6213]

Oh god, why the no rail version? LOL If you do decide to go the clamp on route, MFI ultra lows are the best bolt/clamp on rail. HK Parts is their exclusive seller. If you decide you want a rail welded on by a gunsmith, then HK Parts also sells various lengths of Pic rail with a G3 receiver top profile for the express purpose of welding it on.

[@DavidSonofDavrek]

Thanks for doing what I don’t have to now. Cheers.

[@Ghostrider-71]

While I don’t own a G3 or the PTR clone and probably never will, this video was very entertaining and informative. This video also saved me a lot of money. Thank you.

[@mtsurov]

Quality content. Appreciate you posting.

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

My Aero M5 was $1200 bucks. I think I am in maybe $1800 with a 16 inch upper and a 20 inch upper. Even with the 20 inch upper, I am barely tipping scales at 9 lbs. It has a good 15 inch free float Mlok forend. It shoots el cheapo steel case reliably and puts most 147 to 150 gr FMJ from Wolf to Fed LC into 1.5 inch off a bench. I run the 16 inch with a Trijicon TA-11J ACOG and the 20 inch with a Primary Arms PLX 1-8 Griffin Mil FFP. Watching people try to modernize G3s and M1As always makes me glad I went with the AR10.

[@seanflorian4653]

Part of me 100% agrees with ar10 and ar15's being souless and lacking a certain coolness you get with a g3, fal, ak, galil, etc. Another part of me says if you want a g3, leave the wood furniture on it and keep it simple and retro and have your at setup as a modern fighting rifle.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

Wood furniture? Love to if you could get it! Do you know a place to get wood furniture for a G3-type rifle? CETME wood is easy to find, but doesn't fit w/o significant work.

[@jdl9679]

It’s not that they are soulless it’s just that we’ve seen them everywhere in every configuration in every length everyone has one that’s what everyone shoots it’s been ingrained in our heads for decades the difference is the other battle rifles have this cool factor about them it’s like watching a 80s action movie thrill when you see one because that’s where they were so iconic and most of the bad guys or special forces used them. I don’t care how modern and decked out your new age ar10 is it could be a KAC for all I care if someone next to you is rocking a ptr91 like the one in this video trying to be modernized even if mediocre it’s still way too fucking cool and I’d rather shoot it then the boring KAC we know what to expect out of it and after a while it’s boring but a g3 it’s like a old muscle car it sucks it drives like shit but you can somewhat modernize it you can sorta make it work it will never be that new Camaro or mustang good but I’d rather roll around in the old one anyday

[@JDAN.]

This video always sobers me up whenever I think about buying one for any reason other than a range toy.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Everybody needs a couple good range toys though.

[@R_K_S2401]

But a G3 has waaaayyy more drip than an AR10

[@shootinnscootin5545]

Just bought one from a friend at the local gun shop. It has a PSG1 style stock and a lot of upgrades and he is throwing in some extra mags and 300 rounds of match ammo. Can't wait to fire it.

[@libertylivesin1776]

Such an underrated channel. loved it. Your voice. My thoughts. Cool gun just not efficient for today's battlefields needs.

[@deancarr4507]

Another great stock option if you’re willing to spend the money is the factory collapsing stock, and for another $60 flat HKParts will cut 1 or 2 custom length of pull notches for you. I’m 5’9” so that was a great help. I got mine cut at about the halfway point, which gives me a much better LOP compared to the stock being all the way out. Shortens the rifle up quite a bit, to about the length of a 16” AR. I’m using a 1.5/6x Elcan with RMR, a SAW foregrip, bipod, and streamlight pro-tac on the extended MLOK handguard, however I have the top piece of the extension removed so I can still throw the bayonet on. Because why not. I have a pice of pic rail on there awaiting an IR laser. As it sits, the rifle is 14.5lbs with a loaded 20 round mag. Sounds heavy but my issued rifle was a M4 with 203, ACOG, PEQ16, and GLS so quite frankly it feels lighter than that and it slings .308. PTR’s after break in are dead reliable but I have replaced all internals with HK unissued surplus from RTG, including the tungsten filled bolt, and a CHF barrel topped with a manticore nightbrake. The rifle has ZERO rise to it. I picked the G3 because I love it, and it’s robustness and refusal to quit working. Mines about a 2 MOA rifle all day which is plenty accurate for combat, despite Americans belief that a rifle has to be sub 1/2 MOA to be worth anything. Also agree people care way too much about reload speed, but if you run the gun it’s not bad, I’m pretty quick with it now after a couple years. Parts are plentiful and pretty cheap, and the rifle is easy to work on. I think more people ought to consider them.

[@neopup1776]

I just want the PTR-91 GI because Le Cool

[@Mills141]

I hope you are happier than you sound in your reviews. Life is short and you are having problems someone would love to have. Thanks for the video and God bless

[@UlookinMe]

I have to say the PTR rifles of today are not the rifles of yesterday. I have two rifles from them, a Texas edition with the weird length hand guard and 16” barrel and a black GI spec rifle from 2016ish and both were flawless out of the box. I have week over 3k rounds out of the Texas edition as I use it on my farm and even first mag out of the box never had a failure. The black rifle has sub 1000 rounds but not a failure either. I’ve had friends get modern PTR rifles with horrible failures despite looking fantastic. I don’t know if their move a few years back or them trying to shit out Mp5 clones has over stressed their QC but it is not as good as it was.

[@dexm2010]

I wish I were a fly on the wall observing the shop floor and the different operations going on. Granted, the welding operations involved bring an additional layer of difficulty to the manufacturing process, and clearly you can't just throw in anybody to learn an operation like that, but it doesn't seem like they are cranking out thousands upon thousands of rifles per year, either...so I'd imagine the majority of QC issues should probably be caught before the guns get out the door, and probably are. Do you recall offhand what type of failures some of your friends have had with their PTRs?

[@Dj1DurBreD]

I had one like 4 years ago and it was horribly inaccurate

[@UlookinMe]

@@dexm2010 The front sight block was canted along with the cocking tube, but whatever that’s not a “big” deal, but he was having a lot of issue with bolt overrunning the next round.

[@dexm2010]

@@UlookinMe Damn...that sucks.

[@wraith3920]

You just saved me a bunch of money. I had order the 112 model and intended to set it up as a DMR. Your video was the final push I needed to jump into the Robinson xcr-m.

[@rustys.1070]

literally braindead

[@knowtheplan472]

Babe wake up new hoplop

[@jamesdakotah5421]

Just thank you for this video cause I’m looking at getting a ptr and this video has been the most helpful

[@gregmattson6909]

Personally I think the G3 platform fits the DMR roll decently if you go for a msg90/psg1 setup. Although it is heavier than a beached oil tanker

[@gregflores8959]

Heavy for women,..oops,..did I offend you,..

[@gsxr1189]

@@gregflores8959 For the DMR roll the problem with G3's isn't so much that's it's heavy it's that's it's an outdated rifle, and they aren't nearly as accurate as an AR10. Look at all the modifications HK had to do to the PSG1 to get the G3 design to meet the 1 MOA requirement that the government put in place for the PSG1.

[@jackwang4792]

@@gsxr1189 actually you can now do some internal mods to the PTR91 to make it very close to 1 moa now

[@thejunky1908]

this is what i built. cetme-c bolt carrier, trigger group and stock, ptr91 receiver flat, psg1 long trunnion, g3 irons, and a ptr barrel that i turned down to take the cetme cocking tube. It's ugly but f^&*ing beautiful at he same time.

[@goodbonezz1289]

I have to say, you make the best videos, have great commentary and information. I’ve owned a Century Arms C308 for about 6 yrs and can relate to a lot here, and appreciate the new ideas. Thanks.

[@KiithnarasAshaa]

4:20 Cheapest solution: count and keep track of rounds expended/remaining.

[@RavensEagle]

I am always interested in modernising older guns for a modern age. Great video.

[@angryjackalx]

A trick for knowing when you’re about to be out is making sure the last two rounds in the mags are tracers.

[@almostontimehero5415]

That is a neat trick... except for giving out your position. Nice for everyday practice. I learned my ammo out tempo the hard way, by shooting a F ton of ammo.

[@angryjackalx]

@@almostontimehero5415 His muzzle brake already gave out his position so I don’t think that’s much of a concern lol

[@bowlofrice8]

@@almostontimehero5415 if you've fired enough rounds that your down to your last 2 I don't think you're being sneaky sneaks anymore. Not to mention as a civilian if you're shooting people while "hiding" you're probably gonna get bent over in court and charged with murder in most cases

[@almostontimehero5415]

@@bowlofrice8 Pre-emptive self defense at 500yards officer, I swear! Am I being detained!?

[@servicerifle16]

@@almostontimehero5415 "Guy down the block was looking sus so I blasted him."

[@joquin4618]

Leave it up to hop to make me feel good about my “budget” palmetto AR-10 gen 2 with 18” barrel for $600 and then dumping “only” about $500-$1000 after I wanted to have it set up the way I wanted to…. You never cease to amaze me ! 😁

[@Karza_357]

You should do an ak modernization project and start a flame war in the process.

[@edwardlilley1705]

I do love me some modern ak

[@joshuagibson2520]

Just get a Galil Ace. Best modernized AK there is.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@@joshuagibson2520 I'm not at all an AK guy and even I kind of want one.

[@edwardlilley1705]

@@joshuagibson2520 idk man. I think it's cool, but it's got some flaws I am not a fan of. A regular guy training did a video on this a few years back. I do like the ace though, I just think it needs a few changes to really up it's game. It's got a lot of potential and it wouldn't be hard to get it there.

[@joshuagibson2520]

@@edwardlilley1705 amen brother. I've yet to get my hands on anything "stock" that I was 100% happy with.

[@grenmoyo3968]

"At least we can make it better for the population that matters" Wow man, shots fired.

[@NoHomo1776]

I bought one of these online and canceled the order before it shipped when I realized I’d rather put the money into an LMT MWS.

[@tmoe6674]

This is the way.

[@MusikCabaret]

The rifle is not as bad as he claims. I never had any issues with mine, I did my research for best components and right now this is the only rifle I have not traded or sold off in the past 3 years. Its a beast.

[@jackshyt4]

I love my PTRs. They are heavy and I probably would't grab it first to go into combat, but they are fun to shoot, look awesome and while hop has the worst lulck, mine are super reliable. Partnered with wood and not trying to modernize they look fantastic and are some of my favorite guns.

[@RedTSquared]

Best review of this platform. Love your humor and knowledge! Keep em coming!

[@Scaliad]

In May 2019, my PSA PA10 Gen 2 18" MOE Rifle Kit and receiver cost me $580 /w free shipping..., but though not "modern", I still think I like my FAL better.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

I really don't know why, but I simp for FALs

[@Scaliad]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 All the controls are in the right places, unlike the AR-15 and AR-10 and it's a real battle rifle, unlike the AR-15... Where it's lacking is in modern mounts...

[@loganfurst3010]

Your reviews are awesome no bs plenty of info and unapologetically trashing equipment that deserves it keep up the good work

[@neovenom9833]

PTR 91: If you want to shoot .308 but also need to hit the gym.

[@scatcrank]

Great vid bro, love my PTR 91, not my go to but I love letting new people try it out.

[@koolkats724]

Thanks Hop, I’ll save for an AR10.

[@calholli]

I got the 16" DB10 for $750.. and my only regret is that I didnt' buy 3 of them, because now they are closer to $1100..

[@chmandcrm]

My friend just built one and it kinda bummed me out, not the gun at all but knowing I have less of a reason to want a classic battle rifle hahaha

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@calholli I was able to build out a custom 16" Aero m5 for about 800 3 months ago. Just took a bit waiting on deals and in stock alerts.

[@calholli]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 What sites did you use? I usually just watch deals on ( gun. deals )...

[@randomidiot8142]

@@nonyabidness6492 enjoy having more money than sense. A fool and his money..?

[@pmp1337]

About the Portuguese army: The last iteration of the G3 fielded by deployed troops was fielded in the following configuration: Retractable stock(the oldest of the mods since the fixed ones crack in the middle), tri-picatiny rail, PEQ on the right, EOT or comp M4. and gripod. In 2019 Portugal began the replacement of the G3 with the SCAR-L and H. The troops deployed in the CAR are already using the SCAR.

[@endofthelongestline1]

Make an SKS or a mini 14 into a AR alternative now... lolz that's a battlefield pickup, run it how it is until you can level up on another gun.

[@talltale9760]

Yeah always bugs me when people fuck with em. They’re “trash” just leave em alone and invest your money in a better rifle. Enjoy them for what they are

[@rodiculous9464]

@@talltale9760 yeah and it bugs me when dumb broke fudds tell other people what to do with their money. You probably have a psa with a sightmark and think it's a "good" gun.

[@endofthelongestline1]

@@rodiculous9464 I never said it was trash... And I do have some fudd ass guns, no PSA tho.

[@NCrdwlf]

I’m always picking up my SKS on the way out the door and leaving all the bougie shit behind because sometimes I just want a rile that works .

[@talltale9760]

@@NCrdwlf what the hell did you do to your other rifles that causes them to no longer “just work”

[@benmoon2688]

Perfectly cromulent review. It embiggened my knowledge of modernizing the PTR.

[@cowboycat9x197]

what was the ar10 you were looking for? good video, keep it up! :)

[@mediocrefloridaman]

Im curious about that too.

[@Hoplopfheil]

SIG Tread 716i, I have one on the way now.

[@f308gtb1977]

@@Hoplopfheil I hope it’s better than the Gen1 716 Piston I have. That thing has been garbage for me. (I think I finally have it sorted out now, after serious Dremel sanding work on the bolt and other internals, and a case of steel ammo for good measure.)