The PTR 91 Modernization Project

[@dexm2010]

This is probably the most thorough and accurate video out there regarding this subject. I would add a few things: 6:09 - 6:13 If you want to remove the cheek riser on the Spuhr stock in order to use the iron sights, be aware of 2 things. One, even with the cheekpiece removed, it is *literally impossible* to use the iron sights with the stock collapsed all of the way in at its shortest setting; the piece of the buttstock that interfaces with the cheek piece will interfere with your face, and you will not physically be able to smush or contort your face low enough in order to look through the rear sight. In my experience, the stock must be pulled out/back at least 3 clicks in order for your face to sit low enough to align the iron sights (if you have an especially large or "fat" face, you might need to pull out the stock even more than 3 clicks). Further, something that I think is important to note if you insist on using the iron sights with the Spuhr stock after removing the riser....although everyone is a bit different in terms of their face positioning, comfort level, and every rifle is a bit different in terms of recoil/bolt gap, be warned--you might not find the experience very pleasant. If you have the stock extended out only the minimum amount to allow your face to align the iron sights, you need to be *very* careful, because there is a squared off section near the front of the stock that normally is covered by the cheek riser, and it is very close to your face. The potential problem with this, is that if you are shooting in an awkward position, or if you are careless or sloppy in keeping everything tight as you should, that squared off section can come back and hit your face right underneath your eye. I am not saying it will happen to everyone, nor that it will happen every time, but it is not a good thing to have happen. If you must shoot the PTR/G3 with iron sights and Spuhr stock, my advice for the average person would be to either extend the length of the stock all of the way out, or somewhere nearly all of the way out. You lose the length of pull reduction advantage from the stock, but the added length of pull helps greatly to ensure that you get a better cheekweld without concern for that front squared off section possibly recoiling against your face; I personally find it much more comfortable. The Spuhr stock in fairness was designed primarily to be used with optics mounted on the rifle, and for that purpose I think it is fantastic. *I think all things considered, your custom Magpul MOE stock conversion is probably a better idea for most people* . Not only is it cheaper, but because of its contour/shape with the cheek riser(s) removed, I think it would be much more comfortable to use with iron sights than the Spuhr stock. Lastly regarding modernized handguards, a small point, but something I have noticed that is worth mentioning....many of these newer handguards such as the MI, or even PTR's aluminum ones utilize a hex-type screw in place of the original handguard pushpin. I haven't tried the MI one, but I've seen the hex screw on the PTR handguard over time loosen upon recoil; it probably would require some blue loctite to keep it from loosening on its own. Not the end of the world, but I don't necessarily like the idea of not being able to remove the handguard for normal maintenance, or to replace the cocking handle if needed. Both the Spuhr and Brugger and Thomet G3 forends utilize the original handguard pushpin, which stays in place and is easily removed and re-installed. Neither are cheap, and only the B&T comes with rail sections, but the Spuhr is very light and has a contour very similar to the slim plastic handguard.

[@kenn_dang]

Getting and installing an Hk21 buffer would be a good idea too. they really smooth out the gun

[@dexm2010]

@@kenn_dang You raise actually another good point too Denny that I had forgotten about. The Spuhr stock comes with two different pieces (a washer or a collet) to be used with the Spuhr buffer tube. I don't have an HK21 buffer to test in my stock, or a Swedish AK4 long pneumatic buffer to compare with it side by side, but I know the Swedish buffer will fit the Spuhr stock (if the included Buffer Tube Locking Washer is used), as it was a requirement of the Swedish contract that the stock must be able to fit their unique buffer. The HK21 one probably fits, but I am not 100% certain. The regular G3 buffers work fine using the included Buffer Collet, but I have noticed that the "Enhanced Heavy Buffer" for the G3 that HKParts sells have caused me some cycling issues (mostly failure to go completely into battery) when I've used it with the Spuhr stock. Never had any issues previously using the normal G3 buffer with the Spuhr stock, and once I went back to the normal buffer, the issues went away (didn't clean the gun, change the locking piece or rollers or anything like that). Not sure 100% it was the Enhanced Buffer in the stock causing the problem, but it was kind of odd, and did not seem to be an ammo issue as best I could tell.

[@wolfgang1496]

@@kenn_dang that's what I did. But you need the club foot stock to fit it and that stock is much heavier then the others. I also have the b&t rail. But you have to shave the hk 21 cocking handle down for it to clear the handguard

[@Erick_Bloodaxe]

Great post, thank you for the added information. My take away is that if you want that Spuhr stock, save up enough so you can get the stock and optic all at once. That stock is designed for an optic so take the hint. Though honestly, if you as a shooter are on that tight of a budget this isn’t the best rifle for you unless it’s purely a collection thing/toy. What are your thoughts on keeping the original stock and simply running a micro red dot? That would be nearly as low the irons and cheaper than just that stock depending on the sight chosen.

[@dexm2010]

​@@Erick_Bloodaxe Hello, I think you could make something like that work if you had to. *Some* red dots seem to be a bit more forgiving in terms of how good of a cheekweld you can get with the fixed plastic stock and no riser, but I don't think any of them really will ever be optimal without some type of (at least minimal) riser. A *potential* advantage in trying to make do with a suboptimal cheek weld on an unmodified fixed stock and a red dot, is that if you have a RDS with quick detach mount, you can use the irons normally without worrying about having to unscrew a cheek riser in a hurry. Most people aren't going to consider that an ideal trade-off though, if they are going to be mounting an optic as the primary sighting system. There was a really excellent cheekpiece designed for the fixed plastic stock that could be attached and unattached in seconds (with NO tools!) but my understanding is that the company that made it is no longer in business. The stock is listed on RTG Parts website, but I don't think he will be getting any more in: www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-CHEEK-PIECE-p1879.htm There is a picture out there of a German paratrooper(?) (I forget the specific term they use) from maybe 7 or 8 years ago with a very similar looking cheekpiece designed to be removed quickly from a G3 fixed stock, but I cannot find it at the moment. You could of course always make your own cheek piece/riser out of simple foam and duct tape, it doesn't need to be expensive or elaborate at all...the only thing with that is, if you go that route, there is a possibility you will make it so that now you will be unable to get your face low enough to use the iron sights with your make-shift riser on the stock. I suppose a *possible* work around for this would be to try to place your cheek riser farther back on the stock, trying to leave some room in the front to place your face low enough for the irons, but I'm not sure how comfortable that would be. There are probably other cheek pieces that are not made specifically for the G3/PTR but for other rifles like AKs that *might* work with a G3 stock too, but you'd have to look into that. I would try to find something ideally that could be removed without tools, at least if you were concerned with using the iron sights (if not, no big deal). Whatever you do, please don't do something like the Brit operator at 12:09 did, fabricating a cheekpiece on the A4 retractable stock. That stock is about 1 lb heavier than the fixed plastic stock, and with the fabricated cheekpiece added on to it, the primary function of the A4 stock (collapsing down to make getting in/out of vehicles and tight spaces easier) is now rendered useless. (I understand why he did it that way, the "K" model is a little lighter, and he was probably working with equipment limitations, so I'm not picking on him at all, but if I had other choices to accomplish the same thing on a G3, I would have done things differently). Hopefully some of this has been helpful.

[@BrassFacts]

The more he hates what he is reviewing. The more enjoyment I get from the video. I've had so many projects like this that it's kinda cathartic to watch someone else suffer.

[@tomsmith2209]

Schadenfreude is real

[@mattysee24]

But you hate everything, brass facts. Debbie downer, had to stop watching your depressing ass vids

[@Tofu61]

"A cope-M4, if you will." MY FUCKING SIDES

[@blackrat1228]

New meme incoming

[@therandomdickhead5744]

read it before hearing it was still funny af

[@InputHercules]

Go ahead, spend your money. Thousands of dollars later how is that now?

[@Tofu61]

@@InputHercules are you having a stroke?

[@vorz]

I wasn’t ready for the “I hate that fuhckin gun” and it sent me full on rolling.

[@bruceglock5725]

Funny as fuck!

[@sbragan5lg76i]

rolling delayed

[@randystrand908]

Yes, that WAS the funniest line!🤣

[@Craig52-zq1bt]

I hate that my PTR 91 is...heavy, awkward with poorly designed trigger/ mag release. Poor design for the master race. Still...I sold all my FALs because I am old, but still have the '91.

[@Zoraxon]

Keymod works for The Home Depot's shelving so it's good enough for you gun

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Only if you are the caliber of person who notices Home Depot's shelving setup.

[@kepofshangri-la8942]

Gross.

[@evangraham]

Local Sams Club and i think a Fedex went to MLOK

[@majestic._]

@@evangraham that name...a man of class.

[@citizenkane454]

Works for walmart too. Shit holds on like no other. I prefer keymod. Often lighter and I just think it looks cooler. Plus I have a shit load of rails for keymod and only one mlok

[@centermass4552]

Back in college in the 90s, my good friend had a HK91. This was during the AWB so you trained with what you had. He shot the hell out of it. Took what classes you could back then. That thing was a beast.

[@brettalexander220]

I knew a guy who had al sorts of illegal shit during the AWB. guy had connections, I was envious. Died in a gun battle 15 years ago with some bikers. RIP Jimmyxxx, you are missed

[@jacksonsinclair2615]

@@brettalexander220 play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

[@goobcity]

@@brettalexander220 RIP King

[@jager6863]

By buddy bought a HK91 in 1982 and it just ran. Only issue we ever ran into was when the gun jammed and it looked like the bullet had backed off into the case. Turns out that the gun ripped the fired cartridge case in half and ejected the back portion, The next round chambered and welded itself to the cartridge that was ripped in-half. Used a cleaning rod to knock the round out of the chamber, reload and the gun ran flawlessly after that with no other failures ever. He paid $550 in 1982, which is to about $1,800.00 today,

[@son12509]

This video is the "trying to turn a gun into something it's not" come to life.

[@kylezornes6842]

Can't we all just admit that the only reason to buy a g3 is because they look cool and are nostalgic. Plus mags are 7 bucks.

[@kyotra]

You'd think that when HK tried making a successor to the MP5 they'd be like "Hey, let's just take this reliable roller-lock system, apply some modern engineering, and iron out all the awkward bits." Instead we got the UMP....

[@majestic._]

I've always felt the UMP gets more hate than it deserves. It's genuinely an improvement over the MP5 but just not enough to make it it's successor.

[@kyotra]

@@majestic._ I don't think anyone hates the UMP, it's just disappointing - plenty of competent blowback SMGs came before and after it that were far more affordable and just as reliable. The UMP isn't really the rub here anyways - it's the fact that H&K completely discounted and/or ignored what made the MP5 popular. People were (and still are) more than willing to put up with the weight and price (despite cheaper and lighter options), the roller-lock system was (is) just that good. I'm not sure what's happened to H&K's management or culture over the years, but whatever it is they've clearly thrown out most of their originality and inventiveness in order to produce the same cookie-cutter shit every other company makes these days.

[@shockwave6213]

The UMP isn't an improvement over anything, but its not a step back either. Its a sidestep evolution. To help break down my rationale, I'll break down some of the basics of SMG generations: Gen 1: Milled receivers, expensive to make and heavy. Good Examples are the MP-18 and Thompson. Gen 2: Stamped sheet metal or tube receivers. Very cheap and easy to produce. Great examples are the MP-40, Sten and Grease Gun. Gen 3: This is a hotly debated step whether or not its actually a new generation or continuation of Gen 2 but the key difference is that these SMGs start getting shorter and more compact by putting the magazine in the grip using telescoping bolts or other methods to keep a longer barrel. Uzi and MAC 10 for example. Gen 4: Gen 3 SMGs diverge from Gen 2 by adding a little more cost to their manufacturing, but gain improved controllability and user friendliness by using shrunken down rifle operating systems, ergos and moving primarily to a closed bolt. Examples of course include the MP5 family, MP7 and the MPX My point: The UMP is fundamentally a Gen 2 SMG but with injection molded polymer replacing sheet steel, adding a dash of Gen 3 modernization features and using a closed bolt (which some Gen 1 and 2 SMGs used). A bit long winded but context is everything in these things.

[@kyotra]

@@shockwave6213 Your reasoning sounds largely arbitrary. First off, despite my complaints the UMP _is_ one of the earliest steps towards "modern" SMGs (such as the Scorpion Evo 3 or APC9) - guns with modernized controls and ergonomics, standardized accessory attachment points, modular components/furniture, and polymer or milled aluminum receivers. These are nowhere near being in the same class as a bunch of old WWII weapons. Secondly, your classification of the MP5 as being so generationally distinct from the Uzi or MAC-10 is bizarre, considering all three guns originate from the same time period (late 50s to 60s). Functionally different of course, but all three originate among a host of Cold War-era SMGs trying different things. Last thing I want to address is your description of AR9-style firearms as "using shrunken down rifle operating systems" - that is not accurate in the slightest. There are exactly _two_ SMGs in the world that do this: the MP5, which uses a variant of the roller-delayed blowback system from the G3 family of rifles; and the SIG MPX, which uses an extremely shortened version of the short-stroke piston system seen in the MCX rifle series. Every other modern SMG uses either direct blowback, or a proprietary delayed-blowback system designed specifically for that gun.

[@shockwave6213]

@@kyotra You were right about the AR 9 and I edited to omit that gun but also added the MP7 as a short stroke gas piston operated gun. Guess I was tired that day. My classifications and reasoning stem straight from Ian at Forgotten Weapons and I'd wager he knows more about guns than just about anyone else. In this video at about 15 minutes in, he also agrees the UMP is Gen 2 with newer materials. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3nVl6urlLBsfrssi=Ydg489ECZTEcPr92

[@jackjmaheriii]

My wife is adorable and she says “smoosh”, when I’m feeling adorable I say “smoosh”, so hearing “smoosh” in a battle rifle upgrade video is hilarious. And adorable.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Cool wife

[@jackjmaheriii]

Cool video. Keep up the good work partner.

[@jakegrube9477]

lucky bastard

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@jakegrube9477 Hop has replied to me before too

[@jakegrube9477]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 talking about the guy with a wife

[@carlsberg-gs6rl]

I can't watch more Nutnfancy. There isn't enough time in the day to view one video.

[@dexm2010]

Lol His videos (mostly) are shorter these days, but you could always watch them on 2x speed...

[@gabrielheng2224]

Add a paracord between the sling and the metal attachment will allow it to drop off without impeding the functioning of the charging handle. Also, put the single eye NOD on non master eye, in case light comes on, then u can use your master eye to aim thru the optics.

[@Smarterthanasocialist]

I like the way you put this,"It doesn't beat you up, but it does push you around." Never heard that before, excuse my ignorance, but well said. I own an AR-10 type by Windham Weaponry, a Springfield M1A as well as a PTR-91, so I have some experience with the .308 win/7.62. The HK 91 design is a great shooter in my humble opinion, but this thing is a Battle Rifle. It is an accurate Battle Rifle, other than that, it has so little to offer compared to other platforms and the other platforms, especially the AR-10, have an aftermarket that allows a personal critique not found with the HK91.

[@MajorCox777]

Dude I said this the other day, Hop looks like all the guns that he owns. This G3 exemplifies my assessment.

[@rustys.1070]

the g3 does not look like a twink

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

My Aero M5 was $1200 bucks. I think I am in maybe $1800 with a 16 inch upper and a 20 inch upper. Even with the 20 inch upper, I am barely tipping scales at 9 lbs. It has a good 15 inch free float Mlok forend. It shoots el cheapo steel case reliably and puts most 147 to 150 gr FMJ from Wolf to Fed LC into 1.5 inch off a bench. I run the 16 inch with a Trijicon TA-11J ACOG and the 20 inch with a Primary Arms PLX 1-8 Griffin Mil FFP. Watching people try to modernize G3s and M1As always makes me glad I went with the AR10.

[@shootinnscootin5545]

Just bought one from a friend at the local gun shop. It has a PSG1 style stock and a lot of upgrades and he is throwing in some extra mags and 300 rounds of match ammo. Can't wait to fire it.

[@jmitchell6094]

Outside of forgotten weapons for Ian’s historical information, this is the best gun channel on KZbin. Thanks Hop. You’re the shit.

[@breachfirearms5753]

Not sure if you still have the 91 or not, but one easy way to deal with the recoil is to have the recoil buffer changed out. The factory buffers were designed to accommodate rifle grenades (I'm assuming those are not part of the modernization project). Talk with Bill Springfield over at triggerwork.net, he specializes in roller delayed guns, its fairly cheap $65, and reduces recoil by 25-30%. Also have him do the trigger aprox $50, ( I understand your not a trigger guy, but he does great work and the trigger comes back perfect, eliminates all the take up, and breaks clean). The 9-Hole reviews guys had him do the triggers for their PTR 500 yard practical accuracy tests. Not a shill, he just happens to live down the street from me and I promote people that do good work.

[@Green_Sentinel_3]

As a left handed shooter with riffles; this is likely the best in terms of ergonomics & brass clearance (imo). One-handed reloading is repeatable & relatively easy using AK style (reaching over the top to rack/slap charging handle). With the brass always flying up & over to the right; little chance of charring your wrist. Shooting lefty also makes it easy to have a hand on the accessories. Gotta figure out the sling yourself to suit personal preference. The stock actually sits well for me with my paracord setup that also solves the sling issue. Thanks for the info on the other accessory recommendations & keep up the good work. 👍

[@angryjackalx]

A trick for knowing when you’re about to be out is making sure the last two rounds in the mags are tracers.

[@almostontimehero5415]

That is a neat trick... except for giving out your position. Nice for everyday practice. I learned my ammo out tempo the hard way, by shooting a F ton of ammo.

[@angryjackalx]

@@almostontimehero5415 His muzzle brake already gave out his position so I don’t think that’s much of a concern lol

[@bowlofrice8]

@@almostontimehero5415 if you've fired enough rounds that your down to your last 2 I don't think you're being sneaky sneaks anymore. Not to mention as a civilian if you're shooting people while "hiding" you're probably gonna get bent over in court and charged with murder in most cases

[@almostontimehero5415]

@@bowlofrice8 Pre-emptive self defense at 500yards officer, I swear! Am I being detained!?

[@servicerifle16]

@@almostontimehero5415 "Guy down the block was looking sus so I blasted him."

[@Karza_357]

You should do an ak modernization project and start a flame war in the process.

[@edwardlilley1705]

I do love me some modern ak

[@joshuagibson2520]

Just get a Galil Ace. Best modernized AK there is.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@@joshuagibson2520 I'm not at all an AK guy and even I kind of want one.

[@edwardlilley1705]

@@joshuagibson2520 idk man. I think it's cool, but it's got some flaws I am not a fan of. A regular guy training did a video on this a few years back. I do like the ace though, I just think it needs a few changes to really up it's game. It's got a lot of potential and it wouldn't be hard to get it there.

[@joshuagibson2520]

@@edwardlilley1705 amen brother. I've yet to get my hands on anything "stock" that I was 100% happy with.

[@RedTSquared]

Best review of this platform. Love your humor and knowledge! Keep em coming!

[@Mills141]

I hope you are happier than you sound in your reviews. Life is short and you are having problems someone would love to have. Thanks for the video and God bless

[@KBKriechbaum]

A lot of civilian shooters in the US seem to misunderstand this rifle when they say that it is "horrible". Whatever you look at, you need to look at the purpose the thing was designed for. It was never designed to shoot little targets on the range 50m away from you. In the army doctrine, squads would be equipped with UZI SMGs for the shorter ranges. The G3 is essentially following a WW2 design philosophy and like the FAL got enlarged to this weight and size because the US were pushing the 7.62x51 cartridge. Originally both CETME and FAL were designed for a shorter cartridge. What the G3 is doing right is good accuracy and effective range, extremely rugged, long lasting, cheap to manufacture, easy to maintain and excellent reliability. Hence its widespread use around the globe.

[@fiskersproductions]

Yeah the ar10 does it objectively better

[@benmoon2688]

Perfectly cromulent review. It embiggened my knowledge of modernizing the PTR.

[@stabbyronnie]

I have an older KF model with an aluminum handguard that accepts pic rail sections and has no pic rail welded to the upper receiver. It has been 100% flawless with literally any ammo I've put through it! I only have a sling mounted, a LPVO on a pic rail "clamp mount" and believe it or not, the "meat tenderizer" H&K collapsible stock! Yes, the collapsible stock is so expensive now that I could buy a decent firearm just by selling it, but the collapsible nature for storage is quite awesome!

[@gregmattson6909]

Personally I think the G3 platform fits the DMR roll decently if you go for a msg90/psg1 setup. Although it is heavier than a beached oil tanker

[@gregflores8959]

Heavy for women,..oops,..did I offend you,..

[@gsxr1189]

@@gregflores8959 For the DMR roll the problem with G3's isn't so much that's it's heavy it's that's it's an outdated rifle, and they aren't nearly as accurate as an AR10. Look at all the modifications HK had to do to the PSG1 to get the G3 design to meet the 1 MOA requirement that the government put in place for the PSG1.

[@jackwang4792]

@@gsxr1189 actually you can now do some internal mods to the PTR91 to make it very close to 1 moa now

[@thejunky1908]

this is what i built. cetme-c bolt carrier, trigger group and stock, ptr91 receiver flat, psg1 long trunnion, g3 irons, and a ptr barrel that i turned down to take the cetme cocking tube. It's ugly but f^&*ing beautiful at he same time.

[@franciscopadilla4525]

Little note on recoil, the buffer system relies on a combination of friction and spring pressure to counteract recoil. Most people clean and lubricate their rifle after every range trip, and then store standing on it's stock in the safe. This allows lubricant to get into the buffer system and drastically reduce its effectiveness. Try removing the buffer and spraying it out with brake cleaner. You should see a noticeable difference afterward.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I don't do either of those things, but I doubt it would matter on the PTR 91 since the way they're put together now doesn't have a screw through the back of the recoil buffer. If it does get oil in it, it should easily drain right out the bottom.

[@franciscopadilla4525]

@@Hoplopfheil My PTR is a slightly older GI model from 2014 or so. I didn't know that the newer ones dont have the screw in the buffer assembly, interesting. Good video, and keep up the good work!

[@mtsurov]

Quality content. Appreciate you posting.

[@BearClawAK47]

The only gun with worse ergos than an AK and a lot harder to disassemble. At least a well made one (not PTR) is as reliable. I have sent many PTR guns back for customers with warranty issues and seen many fail over the last 10 years. Its a shame American manufactures can take proven systems like the FAL and G3 and completely botch them. Great way to address the stock issue. Well done.

[@endofthelongestline1]

Make an SKS or a mini 14 into a AR alternative now... lolz that's a battlefield pickup, run it how it is until you can level up on another gun.

[@talltale9760]

Yeah always bugs me when people fuck with em. They’re “trash” just leave em alone and invest your money in a better rifle. Enjoy them for what they are

[@rodiculous9464]

@@talltale9760 yeah and it bugs me when dumb broke fudds tell other people what to do with their money. You probably have a psa with a sightmark and think it's a "good" gun.

[@endofthelongestline1]

@@rodiculous9464 I never said it was trash... And I do have some fudd ass guns, no PSA tho.

[@NCrdwlf]

I’m always picking up my SKS on the way out the door and leaving all the bougie shit behind because sometimes I just want a rile that works .

[@talltale9760]

@@NCrdwlf what the hell did you do to your other rifles that causes them to no longer “just work”

[@aljgreer]

Love the thorough reviews man 😍

[@R_K_S2401]

But a G3 has waaaayyy more drip than an AR10

[@samstarkweather5172]

In all fairness, the G3 is basically an evolution of the StG45, a cheaper, roller delayed version of the StG44, for this 1940's technology to even come close to 21st century usability is impressive in and of itself. Although, for the AR-10/15 to be the (mostly undefeated) benchmark of 21st century combat rifles is even more impressive when you consider that they were introduced within a decade of the obsolescent G3.

[@jaredsmith4944]

I honestly feel like you got a lemon from PTR. The gun should be much more reliable than that

[@rohesilmnelohe]

Ooof... the weight.. i agree.. serving with it wasn't too easy, but you eventually get used to it. Becomes very beneficial in cqb, when you're out of ammo though. However the swedish made AK4(just bog standard G3 built under license for Swedish military) was extremely reliable during my time with it. Only true malfunctions were caused by faulty compensators (with blanks) or me not hitting/seating the magazine into place. Also, this rifle really hates being over-lubricated in arctic conditions. Did it feel modern or comfortable to shoot: No But it did hit exactly where you aimed it. The stock drumsight was amazing in that regard.

[@mr.k.i.s.s7496]

Need some kind of Mount to attach the sights to that will attach them to the rail. Kind of like MBUIS but raised on a small "platform" or a "riser" that raises the height of the sights. Could be injection molded plastic, machined aluminum, steel, or even "potmetal", or a cast piece of those latter materials.

[@ammarchetta]

I think the PTR91 and in a similar thought the M1A should just be appreciated for what they are and not what they could be. I like to occasionally drag my M1A out and bang away using iron sights. That’s what it was meant to do and actually does that pretty well. Same with the 91. You’re not saving any money over an AR10 if you need to buy aftermarket parts to bring it to a form factor similar to an AR10. Sort of like mounting a red dot on a 73 Winchester. It CAN be done. If you want to mount dits, lasers, lights, IR, just get an AR. Good review though

[@hoone1236]

Looks like some 40+ year old ak4's during my conscription, when 70% would malfunction bad even with live ammo. Mine however ran like a champ, week long ex wity blanks and it just ran.

[@dexm2010]

@ hoone I've always wondered about stuff like that. The Swedish AK4s must be very old by now...if they haven't been manufactured in Sweden for many years, what do they do for spare parts if something wears out or breaks? If a barrel gets worn out completely, what can the Home Guard units do about it? I know AK4/G3 barrels will last a long time, but eventually they must wear out at some point.

[@vihavoittamaton849]

Swedish government doesn't really care about defense so they probably shoot all those guns until no spare parts are around. Some of those older AK4's were supplied to Baltic countries after the USSR collapsed also. Besides there is no problems with them guns being old if there are spare parts around and troopers are told to clean their rifles. I myself had Valmet RK62 made in 1987 when I served some years ago and it had no issues.

[@hoone1236]

@@dexm2010 I don't know about Sweden but we had no shortage of spare parts, although it was usually one worn part replaced by a less worn one.

[@dexm2010]

@@hoone1236 I guess it makes sense as long as there are good enough parts to replace worn ones. Did you serve in the Latvian, Lithuanian or Estonian military?

[@hellcatdave1]

Sounds like poor weapon maintenance from other conscripts, but I'm sure if the armorers don't try the weapons might not be as reliable.

[@Kain8719]

"Some kind of sadistic jugular weld" Well there is a line that made me laugh my ass off today.

[@mathewfitzpatrick5645]

"a CopeM4, if you will." Fucking loved that line.

[@don8659]

"we don't care about lefties, only for those who matter" Me being a righty but shoots lefty *Visible confusion*

[@MrAndrew3048]

Up next: modernizing the M1 Garand platform

[@shockwave6213]

If you get a clamp on rail, I'd say go with the MFI. Its the lowest profile and lightest clamp on rail there is. B&Ts are good too but heavier and slightly taller. Don't cheap out on claw mounted rails. That'll bite you in the ass later.

[@ryand2939]

Century C308 doesn't have the paddle mag release, and that is the real reason it should not be considered. Mag changes are already awkward and having to use the button only makes it more awkward. It is what killed Karl's brother in Nakatomi Plaza.

[@johnthompson965]

Great video. But personally speaking. Im a minimalist. Just give me a PTR/G3 that doesnt jam or misfire. Stick a decent flash suppressor on it. A solidly attached piece of Pic rail to stick an optic on, clean up its trigger, and I might call it good. I think sometimes we AR cross-fit firearms guys can go a bit too deep into trying to ARitize every other weapon platform we encounter. And thus end up hanging or try to hang wayy too much snazzy, high speed looking, shit off our guns. Thus turning them into unreliable, inaccurate, boat anchors. Or maybe we just get caught up in the accesorizing rush and just forget what our primary purpose is and should be with a 7.62x51/.308 Win. battle rifle. While such pieces ARE quite capable at CQC fighting? They are still best at engageing fast moveing opponents at something farther than hand shaking range.

[@z0ck3r]

allways makes my heath happy to see my waifu the G3 getting some love

[@cbwelch4]

Change the buffer spring. Get a brake. The recoil will be on par with other battle rifles. The manual of arms is very simple. Once you get used it it you won’t have to think. I had a stoppage hunting due to a crappy mag. I dropped the mag, cleared it, reloaded and charged it in less than 5 sec and still got the hog.

[@keenshot3482]

Knocked it out the park with this one...excellent video.

[@BertReno]

I am patiently awaiting for a sale on this rifle because i just love the classic style of this battle buddy chonk. I dont care for optics so I would not be affected by the problems you listed and I could live with the recoil.

[@psp1921tsmg]

My beat to shit Portuguese G3 runs everything 100 percent. As for recoil. The g3sg1 style buffer is my choice. If you want to like the ptr a little more get a g3 22 conversion. And the blue bullet training bolt. B

[@randyhavard6084]

I got lucky and found a used one for $450 and threw some cetme wood furniture and I really enjoy it. I did have to replace the extractor spring to get it running 100%

[@MacMeaties]

For me old battle rifles are like classic muscle cars, yeah you could buy a brand new car that'll run circles round the oldie no matter how much money you dump into it but it's just not as cool, visceral or quirky. These old girls have got personality.

[@DeadNoob451]

Yeah. And its generally best enjoyed when restored to its old glory instead of trying to turn it into a new and futuristic thing.

[@gsxr1189]

I call bullshit on that. Cammed and supercharged LS and LT motors have loads of personality and they sound incredible. As do AR10's have personality everytime rapid fire and I get 3 rounds in the air before the 1st one reaches the target at 1000 yards and then stay in the glass and watch them all impact tink, tink, tink with my 6.5cm upper I come off the stock laughing my ass off because it's just so easy.

[@crankygunreviews]

I am glad you're still making videos Hop! Was wondering the other day what happened to all the other guys on TFBTV- I enjoy your videos! Subbed!

[@sockenpuppe1057]

dont know if this get to you ... we put our Slings Onto the charging Handel , the was a hole half way . this way you could pull back the charging handle while prone i dit not see that hole on your rifle . but the empty space on the charging handle is not just a Lighting cut .

[@John-ro3vu]

My PTR 91 had a lot of FTF and light primer strikes. Sent back to PTR and they installed a new lower, bolt, and barrel. It works now, but I’ve had issues with every PTR I have owned.

[@socaljarhead7670]

The thing that irks me about the PTR is not being able to reach the selector without breaking my grip.😬

[@calholli]

Its just one of those rifles that are better to simply buy it and keep it as is, with irons only and wood furniture... You know, like an AK.

[@DocMitchell69]

Nyet Grandfather, is not 1950s anymore! Zentico is fine!

[@gsxr1189]

AK's are far easier to work with.

[@TrueHDCinema]

Pumped for the MP5 platform video

[@champy1210]

They’re extremely reliable and überdurable hammers that require 100s of rds to break in, at least w/ the PTR, I’ve read. It could not have served as the *true* right arm of the free world ;) for so long had it not been what I’m claiming here. I’d like to see a comparison video shooting both the HK91/G3 and the PTR.

[@thagrifster594]

This is why I subscribed. Thanks for delivering. I bought PTR 91 at the same time of your initial review. However I haven’t been able find enough ammo at price I’m welling to pay to shoot it. I’m definitely going to buy the Sig optic and the Spurr stock for it. Trigger job?

[@Hoplopfheil]

The trigger on mine is better than advertised. Pulls at 7.5 to 8lb on my trigger scale, vs the 10lb estimate PTR gives. I don't care much about triggers so I'm not going to fuck with it.

[@thagrifster594]

@@Hoplopfheil gotcha. Thanks man.

[@charlessalmond7076]

You might want to shoot it before spending a lot of $ on accessories. If it doesn't work, you could invest that money in something that does.

[@tomsmith2209]

This is a very interesting way to discover that I should just buy an AR. Thanks.

[@msantifort]

You are having bolt bounce. Replace recoil spring. My PTR's have never malfunctioned in all the years I have had them. Also check your rollers for bolt gap - should from .004-.020. I have had to replace mine after breakin.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Tested with two recoil spring and buffer assemblies. Bolt gap is in spec.

[@msantifort]

@@Hoplopfheil Wow, can't think of anything else unless the receiver is bent.

[@Hoplopfheil]

@@msantifort PTRs just don't seem that consistent.

[@DeadNoob451]

@@Hoplopfheil Yeah, seems like some people have almost perfect rifles, and some others are like yours and choke regularly no matter what you do to them.

[@akmarksman]

I wouldn't mind adding 2 PTRs to my gun collection. 1st is the PTR 32 because my cousin keeps telling me to buy a AK. 2nd would be a PTR in .308 with the welded optic rail and the AR buffer tube conversion like Hop is using.

[@jamesray1439]

I feel your pain, I tried to do the same with an M14 years ago. Sub earned

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

No bolt open hold open alone is a deal killer for me

[@williamulmer1010]

I was fortunate enough to never have a problem with it failing to feed. I had a couple instances during break-in where it failed to completely eject while loading the next round. That was a fun jam to get out. Otherwise, mine runs like a clock on anything I feed it. I think the break-in was like 500 rounds? Then you have to check that bolt spacing? I haven't shot mine in a while. I love shooting it. Like you said, it's a push. I want to get a heavier buffer and replace that junk ass stock. Mine is pre-paddle release. Yeah, mounting any sling on it sucks. It's that charging handle. I wonder though, since you are already in operable, if it's better to cross over with the right hand to cock it with the sling. I've seen many videos where people left hand rack m14's. Oh, and mine is the gi model. Other than the lack of a paddle release, I have no actual gripes about my gi model. I did change out the whole trigger group though. Love it. Then it was like 250ish. Good luck now.

[@WayneWilderHealthcare]

LoL ! Wow...What a great review. The G3 clone by PTR is acutally a very, very good battle rifle. They are accurate and relialbe. Trying to re-engineer it to modern standards (MK110 and SCAR) is a bit of a long put. However, I can see why it's worth the "effort". The G3 is so damn reliable and consistent. Really enjoy your review, keep up the good work.

[@TreacherousFennec]

i feel like this is something only someone with a soft spot for G3 or cold war era weaponry would do. if you really need a .308 rifle, i think you would buy a SCAR-H (although im sure a modernized G3 would be much more afforable)

[@benjaminwilkinson709]

C308 , the rail holds 512 EOH tech and 6015 ITT. Old heavy clunky, crap trigger. it works just fine for a pig gun at 100 feet

[@Spamsmoothie1701]

I never had any reliability issues out of my PTR-91. However, I never even thought of modernizing it. I just ran it as a bare rifle. For anything serious, I'd use another more modern platform.

[@donaldschumacher3683]

I have had 3 of them one that I built myself I never had a good day shooting any of them. The only one that was mostly reliable had a 6in MOA so I got a Fal kit and I loved it. The big problem I have now with the Fal is it will eats ammo 24/7

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

My brother sold the PTR-91 and bought a FAL after it blew out the reticles in two, albeit inexpensive, scopes. The HK firearms in this serious series have rather high recoil due to the heavy bolt weight. If you do buy a PTR-91, know that it has some of the best welding, fit and finish of all the HK-91 clones out there. The design was not made to be great in many areas except one: production cost.

[@petergriffin383]

Thank you for the awesome review! Looks like I'll be going the AR-10 route, this rifle lacks all things ergonomic.

[@jasonkeating9958]

Come on hop don't much about blow my mind and get a bolt release catch on it, Get that mill going with some A Team build background music going on 👍

[@evnrayash]

Sig 716i for the win

[@bryy2053]

ACE .308 with a Midwest rail. Good stuff. Kinda wish I got the RS regulate rail for, reasons, but its all good

[@kepofshangri-la8942]

Glad to see you're making this series. What the hell did I say about Keymod? You remember my comment on your final 51 video bastard!

[@thelastminuteman7513]

The tri rails really suck when you start sawing your left hand trying to pull the charging handle back. Definitely stick to M-lok or keymod.

[@nonjaninja4904]

Removing the irons is sacrilege. Retractable stock, bipod, LPVO, done.

[@jaredtimm327]

trigger upgrade and steel lower would do you wonders on it

[@tarantulathree-one8013]

Yep as I suspected. Even the German military went to an H&K AR 308.

[@tarantulathree-one8013]

@ifurboredurboring yes I know, of course I friggen know but they still use 308 in every support weapon they got. And guess what they use for DM roles for extended accurate fire? ARs. Theres a reason for that.

[@gh-gv8mx]

The PTR 51 seems like a waste? My opinion! The PTR k3p is the best of both worlds! Lighter than the full size but still capable of reaching out there! 😎

[@joelcreel6081]

I got my PA-10 for six Benjamins, back in 2019. Today it runs eight if you get a blem upper and lower separate.

[@arceacousdeter8690]

When the C308 was like 3-400 it was a good buy, now it's the same price as a ptr

[@nightrider1850]

You can knock the G3 rifle all you want to. The simple fact of life is that it's the 2nd most common war rifle in most of the world. The AK47 being the first. The problem is that you need to spend more range time with it and learn how to use it. I can tell that your us to the AR type rifle and that's all you know. If the AR10 is what you really want then get rhe AR10.

[@fiskersproductions]

It's a simple fact of life that the ar platform is more efficient in every regard

[@xSHADOWxxFANGx]

Thanks for the review. Although not interested in the platform, I am interested in that colorful jacket you had in the last shot. Where did you get it?

[@GMan33195]

Sorry to hear you have run into reliability issues with your PTR. Its only anecdotal, but I have put around 1k rounds through my PTR91 that I bought new. Not a single malfunction other than like 2 light primer strikes with Tula ammo. It eats brass, steel, surplus both good and shitty, and my handloads without a hiccup.

[@ulflyng]

Durability? Chrome lined barrel - barrel life? Good vid, good points, good flow

[@dominiccoscarelli305]

Lol. I vought century/ptr 91 rifle. I put the quad rail system on it with a swiveling sling attachment to move the rifle up when carrying it while hunting. All the difference when your 5 foot 8 inches on a good day

[@michiganlifepreppers540]

Sounds like Christian Slater doing gun reviews. Nice video

[@DMalenfant1]

Shame, I got this rifle a year ago (my first purchased rifle). Purchased with the full length M-Lok hand guard. Was about to start upgrading it with a strap, light, red dot sight. I noticed you have extreme ease with the charging handle, mine is super stiff. Does it get easier with change of the roller? I know how to tig weld, I would imagine having the front strap having the connection stick out an inch will stop the strap from getting in the way of the charging handle. As far as M-Lok goes for attaching lights and red dots, time to ghetto rig with the welder.

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

I've occasionally see people say the charging handle almost needs a hammer. So 7 months later whatever became of yours ? Researching... thanks

[@Herbymac0811]

The 91 is nice but I’m gonna stick with my FAL.

[@campusballistics1138]

In short...buy AR-10..or even just AR-15 in 300 blackout.

[@brettleisy356]

I'll take the souless, functioning, light weight and highly reliable any day when if comes to putting my life on the line.

[@thewatcher611]

I'll take that as a no. I was already getting an AR-10 anyway. To think, I almost thought it would be cool to have a 91..... Thank you for opening our eyes. A soul-less rifle it shall be.

[@cjmj26]

I’m in the same boat with my PTR...only paid $500 for it like new...cheap mags (I think I have about 100 of them)...I want to like it, but I don’t. Thanks for the stock option-I never knew about anything other than the Spuhr

[@skylongskylong1982]

Check out the Portuguese Armed Forces HK, G3 rifle updates 2020.

[@natsuccubus]

The #17 locking piece that you can use for a suppressor removes the need for a muzzle brake, but as you said, lots of chance for error.

[@notlisted-cl5ls]

i had an hk91. the real muddaphuccin deal. hated that pos. sold it for 3x more than i paid for it. way happier with my 3 windham weaponry 308s.