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Video Index:
00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
00:37 - A Look At The Core i9-13900K
02:00 - 13900K vs. 12900K Specs
04:43 - Test System Specs
06:00 - Clock Frequency
06:46 - Cinebench R23 Multi
07:18 - Cinebench R23 Single
07:37 - 7-Zip File Manager Compression
07:53 - 7-Zip File Manager Decompression
08:15 - Blender Open Data
08:39 - Corona 1.3 Benchmark
09:04 - Adobe Premiere Pro 2022
09:20 - Adobe Photoshop 2022
09:35 - Adobe After Effects 2022
09:51 - Chromium Code Compile
10:10 - Factorio
10:28 - Watch Dogs: Legion
11:13 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction [Vulkan]
11:54 - Hitman 3 [custom in-game test]
12:25 - Farcry 6 [custom in-game test]
12:57 - F1 22
13:30 - Spider-Man Remastered [custom in-game test]
13:59 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider [custom in-game test]
14:32 - Horizon Zero Dawn
15:03 - Cyberpunk 2077 [custom in-game test]
15:50 - Assetto Corsa Competizione [custom in-game test]
16:19 - The Riftbreaker
16:51 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive [game replay test]
17:20 - 12 Game Average (1080p)
17:42 - 12 Game Average (1440p)
17:57 - Power Consumption (Blender)
19:48 - Cooling Performance
20:48 - 13900K vs. 7950X, 120mm AIO, CB23
21:39 - 13900K vs. 7950X, 120mm AIO, Gaming
23:45 - IPC Performance
24:20 - 2 vs. 4 Memory Modules [DDR5-6000]
24:43 - Cost per Frame [Just CPU Cost]
25:13 - Cost per Frame [CPU + RAM + MB Cost]
27:48 - Final Thoughts
Intel Core i9-13900K Review
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[@Hardwareunboxed]

Please ignore the 5950X and 5900X in the second cost per frame graph as the pricing for those models is wrong. The first graph is correct. I'll fix this for the 13700K review, sorry for this mistake. Fixed graph here: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382777229182107650/1032650429265363034/unknown.png

[@Kaelygon]

I was about to say where did you find 5950x at 5900x price. Thanks for the correction!

[@ThunderingRoar]

curious why not use same DDR5 for zen4 and 13th gen?

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Intel said that 65w 13900k will match a 12900k, Lies!! I don't see that happening 18:47 and AMD is literally matching power efficiency of M1 ultra when running at 65W.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

@@ThunderingRoar I don't have DDR5 with both XMP and EXPO support. Moving forward it probably won't make sense to use the same memory for AMD and Intel.

[@saputrasaputra3347]

intel 12th and 13th gen are exactly the same architecture with higher clock speed and power consumption the same happens with intel 10th and 11th gen just wait for AMD X3D varian, u will not regret it

[@FeTiProductions]

Damn that 5800X3D is a real gem of a goodbye to AM4

[@hoff521]

I just dropped one into my system as an upgrade over my 5800x to extend the life for a few more years and really happy with it. Going pinnacle of a ddr gen is always a good move, my previous 4790k remained relevant right up until we hit final gen of ddr4

[@Name-tn3md]

But overpriced imo. 5900x is more valuable

[@kontokonkurs3351]

@@hoff521 overpriced

[@kwedl]

Only if you care about gaming honestly.

[@FreakOfMeds]

@@kwedl Most of us here only care about gaming.

[@danebeee1]

Man that 5800x3d is insanely fast for the price (whole platform price especially).

[@anthonyc2159]

Imagine if they DO come out with the 5950X3D. That thing would ridicule RYZEN 7 series lol

[@shaynegadsden]

Yeah we know that isn't happening but 7800x3d would be nice

[@fatweeb1545]

@@anthonyc2159 7000 series will have 3D chips too

[@kevinmccrea1335]

I had the 5800 x 3D but I noticed choppy ness while while playing online games. I switched over to a 12 600 k and smooth as glass now . Was it just me having a hardware issue or is that the fact with the AMD chips I also noticed my vanilla 5800X the same thing while playing online. Two separate systems keep in mind with two different 6900 XTS

[@clawwill34]

@@kevinmccrea1335 YEAH RIGHT LOL

[@theigpugamer]

Steve is a monster, updating everything with the 4090 data

[@Blafard666]

Does he even sleep ??

[@theigpugamer]

@@Blafard666 rumor has it that he benchmarks his sleep at 420 fps I hope he atleast sleeps 6.9 hours for the sake of his health tho

[@Pisscan]

Where’s the 4K tests… hopefully my 7700k isn’t limiting my 4090 💀

[@jimbo_dilly1675]

It's because he takes his job seriously unlike so many of the larger tech youtubers.

[@theigpugamer]

@@jimbo_dilly1675 ikr, I mean Linus tech tips has just become a joke and so has jayztwocents, I have no idea why people keep watching them

[@PsychoStreak]

So in terms of thermals and clock speed. Intel built a top fuel dragster. AMD built an endurance racer. Both run hot, but one will do it all day while the other just needs to make a handful of quarter mile runs.

[@807800]

AMD: here's Zen 4, temp 95c is fine, no thermal throttling. Internet: 95c? What are you doing, AMD? Intel: Hold my heat sink.

[@catsspat]

I can't! It's is too hot!!! 🥵

[@sjneow]

Well to stick to water container, Reservoir

[@logirex]

It should be noted while gaming what most people will use these for the power draw is about the same as for AMD or sometimes even lower.

[@AshtonCoolman]

@@catsspat best comment so far!

[@confusedclouds]

Amd is basically the same performance with 70% less power in cinebench that's absurd on intel's side it draws over half the 600w a 4090 does when overclocked :0

[@Gatecrasher3]

What I took away from this is the 7800X3D is going to be a crushing CPU.

[@Azraenore]

Yup

[@Kaygoooo]

We'll see how much AMD needs to cut clocks and multi-core performance to achieve 95 degrees with additional cache stack. And actually 13600K is better than 5800X3D in every way.

[@UTOOOOOOOY]

its crazy how much just slapping on an additional slab of 3d cache scales so much

[@user-bn8rf1nw1h]

No chance intel can counter that

[@IvanIvanov-ni4rs]

@@Kaygoooo Intel fanboi shill.

[@popcorny007]

Thank you SO MUCH for including power scaling! This is such important insight, and will only get more relevant with time.

[@naxureearth4963]

Could someone add a timestamp to the powerscaling part? I know it was in there then i initially watched the video, but now i don`t see it anymore :/

[@herr_L.]

This was one of your best reviews. Such an excellent and thorough work. Insane how you managed to update so much CPU Data to full 4090 testing And all the extra Information and conclusions were also so well made. Love your work Steve!

[@eternalbeing3339]

Damn, the 5800x3d really was a gift to gamers.

[@saturnotaku]

Can you imagine what a beast a 7700X3D would be?

[@dawienel1142]

@@saturnotaku cant wait.

[@Yuri_Yslin]

@@saturnotaku It may be great but at the same time the platform price (DDR5 & AM5) will probably make it less impressive, perf/cost wise.

[@artemisDev]

@@Yuri_Yslin well thinking that the platform will keep up for 4 more years. I think it's kinda fair for early adopters. so probably even being able to upgrade to 9800X3D on same platform.

[@Odinsday]

@@saturnotaku That thing is gonna age like fine wine

[@defeqel6537]

That gaming performance is quite impressive, but a lot of the titles where it excels, so does the 5800X3D (relatively to other Zen 3, at least), which makes me think that 7000X3D will have quite an advantage.

[@quantumdot7393]

I wouldn't go 5800 x3D. I would just wait for cheaper motherboard and go AM5. Even now with expensive MB and ram the 7600x is not that More expensive and you get to keep the platform for years with upgrade paths

[@logirex]

@@quantumdot7393 The problem with the 7600X is the 13600K is faster in gaming and almost 50% faster in multicore workloads. None of the new AMD processors offer good price/performance ratio and the worst are the 7600X and 7700X. If you want to go AMD you better wait for Zen5 or the Zen4 3d v-cache version.

[@saputrasaputra3347]

intel 12th and 13th gen are exactly the same architecture with higher clock speed and power consumption the same happens with intel 10th and 11th gen just wait for AMD X3D varian, u will not regret it

[@quantumdot7393]

@@logirex yea the new i5 is certainly impressive. I was mainly talking about AMD choices

[@sebasstein7014]

@@logirex Wait for x3d, see the prices for non x3d Zen4 plummet, buy non x3d Zen 4 for good value= win

[@theigpugamer]

The fact that the 6900xt , a flagship gpu consumes less power is an understatement

[@crylune]

My 6900 XT consumes 150-200w while beating the 3090 and being on par with the 3090 Ti. I fucking love this card.

[@kalef1234]

I feel Steve was a bit harsh on the power consumption. seems weird it would throttle so hard. I do wonder if a slight underplot would fix that and then make it simply the fastest option.

[@theigpugamer]

@@kalef1234 no he's completely fair imo, most people just take the cpu build the pc or upgrade it, turn on xmp and call it a day No one takes the time for 20 hours to test different voltages for stability and frequency curve tuning and then leave it on for a night to check for stability and have to retune after every bios update

[@kalef1234]

@@theigpugamer i heard the same things about the 10900K from reviewers, yet used my now 7 year old H105 cooler on it and it runs great, never gets too hot. I literally just set the mobo voltage to the intel stock voltage, no lower, just so the mobo didn't go OVER that and have run that way flawlessly for like 2 years. no need to actually undervolt really.

[@darrenm5797]

I just upgraded my son's 2700 to a 5800X3D on a B450 MB. I'm fairly certain I just doubled the life of his PC while basically still being cutting edge. I personally went with a 5950X from a 2700X and its been fantastic too (6 months ago).

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Must be a great jump! The 2700X wasn't that great, I replaced mine with an R7 3700X and it is so much more efficient - around the same clocks all-core and higher performance with roughly half the power draw and therefore much easier to cool.

[@ogbenchmarks7127]

The power scaling chart comparing the two CPUs is very well presented.

[@AyanKhan-ny7dh]

But Its wrong. Apparently it uses older BIOS version which reduces performance per watt. Other reviewers found power scaling to be similar (but slightly worse) to Ryzen 9 7950X

[@defnotatroll]

That chart absolutely embarrasses the Intel and makes the high cost of upgrading to zen 4 look reasonable

[@OryNce]

@@AyanKhan-ny7dh dude go check the bios updates yourself which he included most of them are up to date or only one update behind

[@AyanKhan-ny7dh]

@@OryNce maybe its the mobo selection. Other reviewers show that i9 scores 38k in CBR23 at 250 W. HUB numbers are anomalous. Here the i9 only scores 34k.

[@starcraft2f2p77]

@@SidneyCritic Bro we are talking about power scaling chart.

[@NickFje]

I am so happy I purchased the 5800X3D since I only use my machine for gaming. It keeps up with what the best of next generation processors offers in that field. Pretty nice to save more than 500$ usd I would have to pay to switch over to AM5 with Ryzen 7700X (If I am buying the cheapest available motherboard and the cheapest 16GB ram sticks available) I got my 5800X3D for the equivalent of 439$ in Norway and the swap to AM5 would cost a minimum of 960$

[@Kensai127]

I have a feeling that the 5800X3D may make the Zen4s look bad in terms of price and performance, so they may intentionally scale back production of this amazing Zen3 CPU. It certain feels like it is impossible to find a 5800X3D where I live.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Kensai127 It's in stock everywhere I look here in Europe, so it doesn't look like they're scaling back production. Are you in the US? To me it looks like AMD is playing it smart here: Those who MUST have the latest and greatest are getting milked on X670, and those who want bang for the buck get 5800X3D + B550. Once Intel has their 13700k/13600k parts out B650 drops with better pricing for those in the middle of those two extremes.

[@recession_guy6613]

Even 13600K beats 5800X3D. Look into reviews by LTT, Jayztwocents

[@Kensai127]

@@andersjjensen Hi, thanks for the response. I live in Taiwan (home of TSMC), and it really is difficult to get a 5800X3D. There's been several videos stating AMD's ZEN4 is not selling well, and they may cut production in response. 5800X3Ds were pretty plentiful here until shortly after the Zen4s were released. My guess is that for many people who already invested in AM4, the 5800X3D may have more value than moving up to AM5 and ZEN4 CPUs. The high costs of the new motherboards for Zen4 alone seems to make it a tough buy right now.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Kensai127 Strange that it's in short supply in Taiwan. The final packaging is done in Malaysia tough, so I guess they're shipped to gross vendors from there. I just checked the US Amazon and Newegg, and there it's available in plenty, just like here in the EU.

[@David-yx3bd]

You rock guys, thank you very much for that one slide of actually showing temps/power in a game instead of just benchmarks. I hope one day reviewers will just add a power/temp average to the FPS meters. Don't even really need bars, just some numbers.

[@SolidSpear6]

So thankful for this, the detailed graph and explanation makes a whole lot difference ❤

[@124thDragoon]

I really appreciate the idea of locking the 12900K and 13900K at 5.0 GHz to show what little IPC improvements have been made. Your videos are perfect examples of the scientific method; remove as many variables as possible before testing. But on that note - wouldn't it have been wise to run identical memory speeds and timings on the DDR5 systems? You already do it for the DDR4 tests, so it seems odd to not isolate the same variable(s) for the new stuff. I'm also really looking forward to your inevitable video on testing B650 motherboards. Hopefully at least a couple of them are both performant and affordable.

[@tobytoxd]

Good point on the RAM speeds. I was thinking the same.

[@ShadowMKII]

Good point, but the sheer volume of testing and data could make that horribly impractical. I see it being meant to be a "quick-and-dirty" type of test to show rough data, where further testing can show complete data. I was actually wondering the same about testing the RAM of the 13900K at 6400 vs. the advertised supported speed of 5600. *That* I am not so sure about. However, in due time, that might also get a reason (as well as further testing) - although I'm curious as to what Steve would have to say, if anything.

[@leonro]

Steve said in another comment that it's because he doesn't have RAM with both XMP and EXPO support, and he'll probably keep using different RAM for benchmarks.

[@alexunkin]

The 13900k has an improved imc and the platform itself can handle higher memory speeds than its competitors. I would prefer the opposite personally - run max memory speed which the platform allows (7200-8000mhz for intel on a 2dimm board)

[@engineeringvision9507]

@@ShadowMKII Exactly, most people want conclusions not data

[@storm91229]

This is an impressive as well very impartial work! This didn't only have ample data to back but very realistic I wished others watched this over some others I've watched that rather look very partial hastily done. Great review!

[@dommerdom]

Great video. Your very different perspective of the 13900k from other reviews was interesting and informative.

[@beemerss]

Seemed like mostly a wash between the 13900K and 7950X when it comes to performance until you get to efficiency, just super ridiculous this time outside gaming. The gaming performance against the 5800X3D also confirms that wait for 7000X3D parts unless you already have Z690

[@nedimhalilovic1]

Check der8auer video about efficiency of 13900k because its not the same story

[@beemerss]

@@nedimhalilovic1 I have watched his video. Power consumption is never really an issue when gaming and it's fine there. But in all-core workloads it does draw a crazy amount of power. Showing efficiency in a 90W eco mode is nice, but I don't know who is buying a $660 CPU to limit it to 90W and 30% less performance

[@OC.TINYYY]

A wash? Zen 4 gets destroyed. The fuck video are you watching? 😂

[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@OC.TINYYY Zen 4 probably got melted by that 500W power usage Destoyed is.... Um questionable here lol

[@SomeUserNameBlahBlah]

I think AMD was waiting for Intel to launch before dropping their X3D bomb on them.

[@maschinen181]

I love the power scaling graph. Hopefully itll be a staple in future cpus (tho its even more testing)

[@Antagon666]

it's wrong lol. 7950x actually draws 250W not 180W as suggested by power "limit".

[@israellewis5484]

@@Antagon666 No. You're wrong. He set the power limit himself, did you not listen? The CPU can't take more than the limit set. The auto curve does got to 250, but that's not what he was doing for the scaling.

[@Antagon666]

@@israellewis5484 there's a difference between set and measured power 😉 just watch any other review, instead of those jokesters.

[@Snoozy96]

@@Antagon666 You're an idiot.

[@pinakijana9479]

@@Antagon666 By that logic 13900k also used more power! That's even worse!

[@LastFearfulMonkey]

Very comprehensive review Steve, thank you. These new CPUs are very impressive but at the super high end this is starting to remind me of the end of the Netburst/ Pentium4 era.

[@302QuestSwap]

When researching numbers and stats, hardware unboxed is unmatched. These graphs are insane!!! Combing through the various videos to find a particular CPU being tested is always fun. You’re a madman Steve. Never change

[@alexandersegal436]

it's called the 13900k because it leaves 13 dollars left in your bank account and consumes 900 watts

[@markgutierez9922]

At this rate it will also consume your house

[@graphisn]

900kilowatts kek

[@Tigrou7777]

That's good, winter is coming

[@tienatho2149]

13900KWH

[@AKK5I]

@@graphisn 9900 kilowatt keks?

[@devindykstra]

That power draw is absolutely terrifying. I really hope we have hit a practical power and cooling limit with the 13900k and rtx 4090. If power increases much further it's not gonna be pretty.

[@tejassurve5499]

I think Hardware Unboxed needs to do some more tests as some other reviewers are reporting very little performance difference when you run the CPU at locked 253W stock Intel settings. There is not much to gain by letting the CPU run amock with power budget

[@derptyderp5287]

What, you mean you don't want to have to keep your next GPU in a seperate chiller next to your computer?

[@JosiahBradley]

Don't worry, dual breaker circuits for PCs coming to a home near you. Don't worry about it burning down, yeah it's fine, look at the fps. Fires per second.

[@andersjjensen]

It already isn't pretty. I have a 5950X and a 6700XT, and my home office gets hot if I don't crack the door open when it's going full kahoot. It's a 15 square meter room, so it isn't tiny. 3 x 45W monitors + 230W GPU + 105W CPU = 470W (so basically a 3090ti/4090).

[@JosiahBradley]

@@andersjjensen now imagine being me who generates about 250w constantly by existing, according to my basal metabolic rate.

[@driximus]

Great review as always. Thanks for pointing out the thermals. I think the other reviews kind of breezed over it.

[@manriquedanielmarperez7995]

An excellent review. Great points in a lot of scenarios. Looking forward to the next cpus in the raptor lake line. Look likes the 5800X3D is a swan song for AM4.

[@antiwokehuman]

As expected. Wonderful in depth analysis. This is why HU gets my first click whenever there is a cpu or gpu launch

[@georgecy5937]

That Thumbnail though, you guys are really stepping up that game, keep it up!

[@ivanbrasla]

No don't edit. I upvoted bc of thumbnail comment lol

[@georgecy5937]

@@ivanbrasla No I'm keeping that comment lol, they deserve it

[@AndrewMcDreamy]

Hahaha, I almost love the thumbnail more than I loved the video.

[@navisoul]

this is the best channel for reviews by a long shot. great job steve, love the thumbnail

[@earllemongrab7960]

Oh my god I didn't even notice the thumbnail until I saw it enlarge over the entire screen on MLID's video :D Amazing Thunbnail HUB! Steve you really nailed the look and posture ROFL

[@technewsgaming6447]

Almost 500W CPU only wtf 😱

[@VoldoronGaming]

13900k to the 4090: I'll race to 500 watts. 4090 to the 13900k: Wtf! You're a cpu. Only one power hog king here..(pushes bios to 600 watts) nvidia😁

[@Rachit0904]

​@@VoldoronGaming 4090 die is 608 mm2, more than double the size of Raptor Lake at 257 mm2. So it's really tame at 450 watts, it can easily produce 600+ watts if you bypass Nvidia's 1.1V limit. And the 4090 doesn't even have all the cores enabled. It's also interesting to compare compare intel to Zen 4. The chiplets are only 70 mm2 each yet a 7700X can push 110+ watts through it, making it higher power density than the i9.

[@JtwasLuck]

The 5800X3D is by far the best gaming CPU out on the market, kind of reminiscent of the old Q6600 days!

[@saricubra2867]

If you ignore the i7- 12700K's existance with DDR5.

[@dawienel1142]

@@saricubra2867 Highly tuned and very well cooled 12700k.

[@dawienel1142]

@@saricubra2867 it takes quite a lot for alderlake to match the 5800X3D across the board, I'm using a cheap B550 board and an even cheaper Scythe fuma 2 cooler on my 5800X3D and even tested a 5600x 65watt box cooler initially and got most out of my 5800X3D. The simplicity of the 5800X3D out of the box is legendary.

[@miweneia]

@@saricubra2867 let me rephrase your comment real quick "if you ignore *harder to cool cpu* that requires a *more expensive motherboard* paired with *more expensive ram*" in short, the 12700K is not even close to being as good as the 5800X3D

[@propersod2390]

@@dawienel1142 12700k doesn't get that warm at all... I mean even the 12900k didn't get warm unless you REALLY pushed it, in gaming it wouldn't get too warm at all though. So actually the 12700/600k cpus are the same or better than the 5800x3d for gaming and way better for anything that isn't gaming. Also they're gonna be cheaper now

[@paulthebeardedonedowning6820]

a VERY thorough review again thanks for all that work

[@warnacokelat]

Love the power scaling comparison.

[@rakesh1519]

HUB and GN are two incredible pc tech channel

[@jotunheim5302]

My go to tech channels for no nonsense reviews.

[@derek400004]

two of my top 5 most favourite channels for sure.

[@cosmins3268]

you can't go wrong with the steve's

[@yellowflash511]

LTT, GN and HUB for PC and Jarrod's Tech for laptops

[@alexanderbarnett599]

I'm so glad there are channels like this that actually gives you the truth and cold hard facts. It's insane how much power this uses

[@vaghatz]

Thank you for including the 3700x in the benchmarks! Helpful for people having this CPU, like me, wondering how much faster newer CPUs might be.

[@DavyDavePapi]

I wish the 3600 was on there too

[@vaghatz]

@@DavyDavePapi if you subtract 10% from the 3700x results, I think you are pretty close

[@rainbowreaper3765]

Same

[@linkphan761]

Thank your for a fantastic review. Hardware Unboxed is now my favorite tech review on KZbin. Keep up the great work !

[@projectc1rca048]

Always appreciate the mad skills and work you guys put into your reviews of the latest tech. I wonder how good AMD's 3D cache 7000 series chips will be compared to intel's Raptor Lake in terms of power and performance, only time will tell. Keep up the amazing work on this channel guys :)

[@alyessamaddox7022]

The answer for people looking: 7950x3D and 7900x3D cost too much and don't perform well enough to justify themselves, but the 7800x3D knocks a zero off that CPU power consumption, and curbstomps the 13900k in most games.

[@thegoondockswarcouncil9543]

OMG the thumbnail is gold! I laughed out loud.

[@walkir2662]

Damn it Intel, he just built that place!

[@CorporalCookie]

I had a spittake when I saw it.

[@AshtonCoolman]

Halfway through this review tells me that gamers should wait for the 7000 series X3D CPUs. That'll be an interesting match-up.

[@OriginalUser2023]

No match up..7700x3d and 7900x3d will crush Intel in every game and that with a quarter of the power consumption (See how the 5800x3d is A LOT faster than 5800 non 3d but consumes significantly less power at the same time.. now Ryzen 7000 consumes less than Intel even now .. so imagine the 3d..)

[@cybersamiches4028]

X3d 7xxx 100mb of Kachay, frames be flyin

[@marksaxon]

Yeah a 7800X3D will definitely defeat the 13900K at a much lower power rate. A 7900X3D might be compelling too but basically folks should wait for Q1/Q2 2023 to see when the 3D cache models come out. Maybe by then the AM5 mobos and DDR5 come down a bit in price. Intel has always relied on brute power to beat AMD. Funny to think everyone was laughing at AMD with the 95 C max but over 300W to run the i9?

[@lagarttemido]

You gotta keep in mind that the potential discouragement to upgrade to newer gen only really applies for people who already own a AM4 platform. For everyone else it is much better future-wise to go for AM5 and DDR5 as soon as we have the cheaper chipset models because AM5 will have at the very least one more generation of CPUs to it and probably future models like 7800X3D and 8800X3D which will certainly crush anything we have today. Ofc there is always a chance AMD decides to extend compatibility and lauch the future 9800X3D on AM5 as well.

[@marksaxon]

@@lagarttemido Well I have a 5800x so I’m sitting out this round. I’m sure I’ll get an AM5 once it fully matures just like I did with the 5800x if they truly support it out to 2025.

[@Alakarr]

Excellent, thorough review as always. Thanks.

[@unclerubo]

I know you guys don't do cooler reviews but a cooler roundup with the flagships from each company to see the performance scaling would be really... cool 😎

[@sammiller6631]

Ask GamerNexus for cooler reviews with performance scaling

[@Exomious]

Gamers nexus will most likely do that, keep an eye out for them.

[@Deathscythe91]

look at that 5800x3d go , now i wanna see a 7800x3d and see wtf is going to happen

[@superior96]

Housefires incoming

[@MandaClaudiuMCM]

Amazing graphs, detailed and easy to understand even without voice. Well done 👏. PC related, looking at how things are going if I make a new PC then I'll need to turn off all the appliances in the house just to turn on the PC lol.

[@MisterWoes]

Really great work. Love the new charts.

[@NootNoot.]

-Those power scaling benchmarks is really interesting to see- and a look into the future of what Zen 4 mobile could look like. I don't think Raptor Lake will have an answer to that although, it'll be interesting to see what Intel has planned for Meteor Lake.

[@AyanKhan-ny7dh]

But Its wrong. Apparently it uses older BIOS version which reduces performance per watt. Other reviewers found power scaling to be similar (but slightly worse) to Ryzen 9 7950X.

[@NootNoot.]

​@@AyanKhan-ny7dh You're right. On their twitter they have confirmed odd motherboard behaviour. Although, I still firmly believe Zen 4 has the more efficient design.

[@imglidinhere]

So thankful I got my 5800X3D. I probably won't upgrade until there's a truly staggering improvement to gaming performance 3-4 years down the line. Probably wait for Zen 5 or 6 and see where we are then. :)

[@jake9854]

no homie ditch dat 5800X3D! sell ur kidney n come get the mighty AM5 , its good for u!

[@imglidinhere]

@@jake9854 lol right, you gonna pay for it all too? :P

[@recession_guy6613]

Even 13600K beats 5800X3D. Look into reviews by LTT, Jayztwocents

[@imglidinhere]

@@recession_guy6613 LTT reviews are laughably inconsistent these days and rife with verbal and visual errors. Not to mention the numbers are just outright WRONG on several notes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aavGdIttrt6csJY For example, why is the 4090 performing worse than the 3090 Ti in their example, hmm? That's not how bottlenecks work, by the way. :P

[@soulshinobi]

25:13 this is the single most valuable graph I have seen on computer parts in my life

[@user-nq3zc2sh1f]

so many details, thanks for this test. really helpful.😃

[@frank.bullitt]

Once again, Awesome review. Massive amount of work done :)

[@ToneRetroGaming]

That 5800X 3D is looking better and better right now

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Excellent thumbnail! Love the CPU being inside the coffee cup too

[@ragunathc]

thanks for the review video Steve!

[@phillycheesetake]

18:08 Power-normalized testing is now necessary. This is ridiculous. HALF A KILOWATT.

[@federicocatelli8785]

Good luck at cooling them when it's summer😬

[@MrDvneil]

nice cost per frame analysis, great review as always, explanation of everything is on point

[@Cinetyk]

Another excellent review. Really appreciate the extra analysis on the thermals, performance per wattage cap, IPC compared to the 12900K, etc.

[@midiadventure]

you guys are simply the best. Fantastic benchmarking methodology and presented excellently.

[@moltenbullet]

Huge GPUs, really hot CPUs, and outrageous prices for all hardware; I guess we're at the front end of a whole new generation. I can only look forward to what's going to come out in the next 3-4 years, where these things hopefully come down in price, get more efficient, and get more reasonably sized as a result too.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

I feel like we're moving towards ARM based cpus at this point. x86 might be at its limits.

[@Thelango99]

@@GOPACKERSJT That would take ARM getting decent Desktop and Laptop implementations.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

@@Thelango99 it's not much different than making laptop and desktop versions of an x86 CPU. You can have a socketed ARM chip, they're just not setup like that most of the time.

[@Thelango99]

@@GOPACKERSJT Yeah, but they still would need OEMs on board for this to work. Would be hard to ditch intel even a decade from now.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

@@Thelango99 I'm more looking at this as Intel and AMD start migrating to ARM from x86. But you are correct.

[@Nelthalin]

Great review Steve! and thank you very much for retesting all the CPU's with the 4090 hell of a job! Looking at these numbers i cant wait to see what Zen4X3D can do. The 5800X3D is still doing a insane job. I guess a 7800X3D will be the Premium Gaming CPU to have early next year. As for power these numbers are insane and a bad trend. I also wished AMD would go for like 150 watt max looking at the scaling for the 7950X. And like 85-90 for a single CCD chips would be enough to get most out of it and make it way more efficient. I wonder what people complaining about the 95c of Zen4 will say about this chip hitting 100C+. For me its not a issue laptops have done it for years. But transistors to tend to leak more when temps are higher. Increasing the power consumption of the chip. even if clocks and voltages stay the same, the same chip can use quite a bit less power when running at 80c instead of 100c. (its a bit depended on the architecture and the production process but i have seen these results in my own tests with GPU's and CPU's.) If you can wait i would wait for 7800X3D + B650(E) early next year that would lower the platform costs and will probably be way faster for gaming.

[@BaldGuyTalks]

Thank you for including the thermal readings, so many others made a fuss out of the 95C Zen 4 operating temperature without taking things into context. The fact that your PC could draw 400W with your GPU at idle is mindboggling.

[@Blafard666]

Thank you for this work guys, thank you a lot !

[@mmo0J]

WOW AMD's 7700x trades blows with 13900k in gaming overall results and consumes almost half power at full load. Am I seeing it right?

[@tolikowens]

Yes you are correct

[@yottaXT]

it is what it is...

[@jasonk4099]

That power scaling plot REALLY puts the efficiency lead of AMD/TSMC into perspective. Great info here Steve! Edit: Derbauer showed much different results with both CPUs at 90W. Not sure what to think here..

[@damara2268]

different in what matter? Intel is actually even worse?

[@Earanak3D]

@@damara2268 Hardware Unboxed - 13900K (205w) 29400 CBR23. Other Reviewers 205w ~36-37k CBR23. Even 13700K 205W can reach 32500 CBR23 score. Derbbauer show better results, much better than scaling table in this video.

[@jeffie8696]

"honey its cold in here , play a game or something" "yes dear as you wish"

[@HardOCPTV]

Kudos to you, Steve. Another piece of excellent PC hardware journalism. Objective data that is certainly on spot and possibly a bit damp with the sweat of your brow. Subjective take is dead on in my opinion.

[@supabass4003]

HardOCP OG!

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

I knew the power draw was going to be more but some of the w numbers are mad I bought a 420mm CPU water cooler 6 months back to be prepared but even so, wow.

[@DimitriMoreira]

You didn't prepare for the fact that a premium 420mm water cooler would let the 13900K reach 100ºc constant and still thermal throttling? Yeah.... nobody was prepared for that.

[@nemo4evr]

With Intel right now you need to have a swimming pool filled with liquid nitrogen and your PC submerged in it to keep it cool LMAO 🤣.

[@isaacinsungjang2937]

The fact that you got the 4090 in all your tests is bonkers. Some other channels are still using 3090 for their tests. Thank you so much for your work! Also the power scaling is fascinating because i definitely would go lower on the power curve. Cheers!!

[@KontrolStyle]

yeah they are big enough to have the hook up ;)

[@dirtydard4870]

"bonkers"

[@teddyshapedsoap]

Oh my God, I knew power consumption would be worse, but Jesus Christ... If I were in the market for a new cpu, this would actually be the deciding factor. Thank you 5800X3D :)

[@TheBURBAN111]

Question do you run blender renders 24 hours a day? No? Then ignore these high power draws.

[@teddyshapedsoap]

@@TheBURBAN111 I think you're missing my point, of course I don't do extreme omega blender renders 24/7. The point is I don't want a cpu that has even the potential to pull 300 some odd watts. Just not for me. If it fits you, great, please do enjoy.

[@johanjacobs9240]

@@teddyshapedsoap Key words here..."the potential to pull 300 some odd watts." With ordinary tasks and gaming you'll never see that amount of power draw.

[@TheBURBAN111]

@@teddyshapedsoap thing is you'll never see that 300w unless you are maxing the cpu out... which you said your self... youll never do... gaming will not draw 300W lol.

[@punjabgaming9350]

love yr thumbnails , great content, specially all the data is updated with RTX 4090😦😦

[@LuisVasquez-nu4hu]

New Hardware Unboxed review LET'S GOOOOOO BABY!!

[@maxhammick948]

The power scaling graph is very interesting! In future, I'd happily trade less resolution in package power for more CPUs tested - coarser steps in power would be fine, or even a logarithmic scale (half an octave, so a factor of 0.7 or so between power levels tested, would be enough detail while covering the same range in only 6 points).

[@AyanKhan-ny7dh]

I think this review uses older BIOS version which reduces performance per watt. Other reviewers found power scaling to be similar (but slightly worse) to Ryzen 9 7950X

[@technolucas3720]

Great review & some of the best B-roll around.

[@ALIENiAM]

You give the answers, to the questions i had after watching 5 other Reviews. I was dissapointed by GNs Review, especially because they did not mention details on the Question "can you cool the 300watts easy or does it thermal throttle a lot" ? But i guess that is the answer to why they were getting so bad 1% lows in some benchmarks compared to every other cpu. And the pure IPC Gains Chart was also unique, have not seen it in other reviews, same with the cb23 direct WATT Comparison to the AMD Flagship. That Chart looked really nice and easy to understand. . There is a reason why you are called the Benchmark Nerd, from all the Nerds out there ^^ Oh yeah, i forgot, also, you are the only ones putting in a nice and quick 2 or 4 Sticks RAM Performance Difference Chart in there, also something, i would want to know as a Gamer. Really, awesome Job...you dont need a staff of 50 People or High Tech 100k Testing Labs, all you need is PASSION about what you do and moreover, UNDERSTAND what the GAMER wants to see. GN is not a Gamer, Linus by far is not a Gamer, Jayz is not a Gamer, derB8uer is not a Gamer, IgorsLab is not a Gamer and i could go on here :) They are all good and awesome, but this here...this really showed for me personally, why i would give your YT Channel Name first, to my close friends if they would ask me.... . "Do you know a good Hardware Review Channel mainly focussed on GAMERs" ? . Awesome Job, i also love the Monitor Review Channel you guys do now, hope to see more in depth videos in there when QLED Gaming Monitors will become more and more available. . Need to go back to my UFO now and go do some flybys with my buddies and abduct some cows and sheeps in the neighborhood or go and fly out the cornfields and drop some cropcircles in there with the LASORZ bzzzzzzzaaap :D Alienthings, you know.... . Best regards and respect from Germany . ALIEN_I_AM

[@xa4243]

I want the x3d so badly rn. 75800x3d looks like a beast in games and could help with lower single core clock speeds

[@ismaelsoto9507]

Yeah is a great upgrade for anyone that has an AM4 Motherboard

[@RobBCactive]

Good on yer, Steve!! The power/ heat is a massive turn off for me in Europe

[@TheEchelon]

It should be a turn off for everyone in the world for that matter, if you ask me

[@AdaaDK]

same issue here, i will keep my downvolted 12600k, and 3060Ti until the big tech guys, can pump out some good price:pref and low wattage new tech, hopefully my current parts will keep me due until then. Everything is overpriced cept maybe NVME SSDs and DDR4 ram atm.

[@mey1431]

@@AdaaDK watch der8auer EN's video, he demonstrated that you can get about the same performance as last gen's 12900ks (282 watt) by powerlimiting the 13900k to just 90 watts

[@DimitriMoreira]

Yeah... 500W for the CPU alone, while the GPU does nothing and at 100ºc AND thermal throttling even with a 360 premium AIO? I mean... Intel really made AMD look great right there.

[@DonaldAsante]

It will keep you warm in winter

[@earthtaurus5515]

Thanks for another indepth review Steve. Even with Intel having a marginal advantage on the spec sheet with faster memory the performance difference is also marginal at best but with a massive power increase over Zen 4. Would be nice to see Zen 4 also tested with the same faster memory and I imagine using the same memory - the performance difference between Zen 4 and 13th gen will be absolutely minimal.

[@jonboy2950]

Would be nice to see you hit 1 mil subs Steve.

[@SATTY94]

5800x3d is such a beast

[@germanmade1219]

Right? absolutely loving it

[@nastyyoda5673]

and power efficient

[@htoomyatlin123]

so good it even makes AMD own products look kinda stupid sometimes. XD

[@lloydaran]

Wow, I'm truly disappointed in the power/performance ratio and the temperatures. I hope Intel will eventually come out with a budget solution as good as we found out the 12100F to be.

[@sovietbirdz]

Excellent review as always Steve! You're always my first choice for day one coverage. Then I swing over to Steve at GN for more excellent coverage from a slightly different perspective.

[@toonnut1]

I liked this review it was tested with no undervolting. It show the true figures out the box. The good thing is it gets much faster with a decent undervolting!

[@AD34534]

5800X3D is the gift that keeps on giving.

[@jeteon]

I'm really impressed with this analysis. I tend to watch at least 4 reviews of these new products, and this has been the most comprehensive and nuanced. I'm actually a little disappointed in the others now.

[@halrichard1969]

I have watched 10 reviews on this chip and one each on the 13600k and the 13700k. I came to the same conclusion. Steve absolutely nailed it.

[@focus0000000]

the best review out there, thx guys! love ya

[@t6pix]

Awesome breakdown once again. My fav channel.

[@finestPlugins]

Thanks for the extensive focus on power use and thermal throttling. I wonder if undervolting is an option similar to how the 7950x can be tweaked while remaining competitive.

[@damara2268]

Something was wrong with the power draw of 13900K in this review. If you look at other reviews it was a lot less power hungry than shown here.

[@mordax7443]

Would be interesting to see 7950X vs 13900K benchmarking with the zen4 chip limited to 1 ccd (instead of the 7800k for the best bin) and the intel chip with only p cores enabled. Aka 8vs8 cores without ccd to ccd latency issues and intel with more power/thermal budget for its p cores. Basically the best case scenario in gaming for both chips.

[@067Kurtis]

Thank you for all your hard work!

[@traversharty]

So 7700 3D V-Cache is the chip to wait for. Not long either apparently. If AM5 adoption costs come down in general that chip will be a monster with a fair bit of platform support millage in it as a bonus.

[@BMXaster]

What I find really insane is the fact that the 10980XE which has 2 more "normal" cores, 4 threads, uses 105 freaking watts less than the 13900k according to GN. I remember that EVERYONE and their grandma went completely crazy when it first launched. I mean just look at the single core power consumption :0 It shows that Intel hasn't gotten that much more efficient in the past, what 4 years, 5 years? Though 5.8 or whatever it achieves in the real world, given if it won't burst into flames is pretty damn sick. Would love a frequency normalized test witch past abominations just like the 10980XE, to show how efficiency has changed over time. Thanks for the testing

[@SubZero8007]

I just love your reviews!

[@roythunderplump]

Great for a Outdoor Gaming setup in harsh winters for a few minutes.

[@alun1038]

A CPU that constantly draws ~200W under load and around 300W max is a no go for people in most countries where electricity bills are so damn expensive. Could be worth it in the winter tho, since it heats up and thermal throttles in mere seconds lmao

[@TheBURBAN111]

Show me it drawing 200w constantly 🤣 please don't tell.me you think it draws that while gaming.

[@robolandon2787]

I really appreciate this review, especially after the glowing over- enthusiasm of the LTT review (they really like things that are on top of any chart...) Your testing methods are VERY thorough and I needed to see this realize how absurd this chip and overall marketing direction is. Awesome job!

[@maverick6053]

Bought 7700x... long live AMD! Waiting on mobo and ram to come down.... building new rig. Thanks for all your work!!

[@ironsteal]

You don't know if you're chip works dumb move

[@pethrowed1324]

I appreciate the thorough testing. Seeing power consumption vs performance is a big help for me. I don't want to use more electric power.

[@shaunlunney7551]

Glad I went with the 7700X for now! will upgrade to the final AM5 superstar X3D-XTX in 4-ish years