Hotel California: Rip Off or Rock Classic?

[@josephrule5992]

You did a crazy good job researching all that and putting it together great job man

[@8MinuteAxe]

Thanks Joseph. This video took forever. I shot it on Thursday and it was almost 20 minutes long. I spent 10 hours trying to edit it down and realized that it would be quicker to reshoot it which is what I ended up doing. I know you've watched several videos of mine and I really appreciate it. Take care and be well. -Mark

[@kevinmunday5782]

Yea you really put this issue to bed once and for all imho ☺☺

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

*holds guitar* Me: Oh, he's gonna play bits of the songs to compare? *fidgets with the frets* Me: Ok, he must be warming up, ready to play soon! *looks like he's actually strumming, must just be psyching himself up* Me: Aaaany second now..... *video ends* ............. 🥺️

[@8MinuteAxe]

I know, I know. This was one of my first videos and I ended up editing out all of the playing to make it more concise. 90% of my channel is me playing. If you have a few minutes I'd really appreciate it if youd check out a newer video. My cover of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds has a really cool videoWatch "Beatles 12 String Cover and Lesson: Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo. Either way thanks for checking this one out. Take care and be well. -Mark

[@noliaurillo2518]

😂

[@Head318Hunter]

Exactly TOTAL CLICKBAIT TEASER 👎🏼 AND he proved to be an Eagles fanboy in spite of trying to disguise it. TOTAL RIPOFF. Ian Anderson should've sued Henley's rotten ass. Disgusting.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Oh man did you misread me. I've been in a very public battle with Henley for almost two years. I've spoofed him repeatedly. Check out this video or at least the first 2:30 and you'll die laughing if you hate Henley DON HENLEY VS RICK BEATO: BLOCKERS AND THE FAIR USE BATTLE kzbin.info/www/bejne/raLceaV7oNBjbJY&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. I also levied a counter copyright claim against him for basically taking $2500 out of my pocket for playing 20 seconds of Hotel California in an earlier video. I wrote a parody about him which was taken down. And I've seen Jethro Tull in concert 7 times and I've met Ian. I simply don't think that Don Felder intentionally pinched We Used to Know. Simple as that. Either way, I do appreciate you checking out the video. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I'd actually rather have you disagree with me with vigor than agree with a whimper. :) I just wanted to make sure you know where I stand when it comes to Henley. He's a world class deuche. Take care. -Mark

[@8MinuteAxe]

FYI, I do mostly playing on my channel. Why don't you check out today's upload. I cover Tom Petty, Boston, Allmans, Kansas, America, Talking Heads, and Billy Joel on the 12 string kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2madmVja7utsMU

[@karlpollard9201]

If it wasn’t in the 70s and Ian Anderson wasn’t a gentleman, this would end up in court

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Karl. For sure. Streaming royalties have made them all a little more surly and a little more desperate. I do mostly 12 string covers and lessons. I just uploaded a pretty solid version of Melissa by the Allmans. Please check it out if you have time: MELISSA COVER AND LESSON kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKPHlHuDq7B1r8k&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. If you're more interested in another topical video, I did one on the Satanic Panic of the early 80s and backwards masking BACKWARDS MASKING IN ROCK AND HOW IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME AS A KID kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCUf5eon990Zpo. Either way, I appreciate you watching this one and for taking the time to comment. I hope you have a great evening. Take care. -Mark

[@dibaskar265]

The solos of flute and guitar are also had similarities between the two,u may say because of the chord progression similarity, but except for the intervals there aren't any notable audible dissimilarity too much.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Karl. This video has gained popularity again and I'm beginning to think you're right or at least come around to the fact that Anderson is certainly a gentleman and wouldn't fuss over it no matter what. Thanks again for your comment.

[@mckshrmptn]

Ian wished them nothing but the best. And even a bit flattered..He even said himself hotel California is a great song

[@marcuskingstanley9522]

There are none so blind than those that dont want to see

[@maroofali2142]

Even if Felder wasn't part of the Eagles in '72, it doesn't mean that he couldn't have listened to the song anywhere else. And moreover, Felder first wrote HC in E minor but Henley couldn't sing in that key...so they shifted all of it to B minor. Ian Anderson is a gentleman...that's all I have to say but I wish Henley got bit of a taste of his own medicine coz he really is a prat.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Maroof. I love your comment. And I think it's very possible. I think you're the 6th person to mention that Ian Anderson is just a nice guy. I love that. It seems to be rare these days. If you're interested, I'm currently giving away 3 brand new 12 string guitars. You're actually already entered to win one of them by commenting on this video (as long as you're subscribed and have notifications turned on). If you'd like to be the running for the other two, all you have to do is check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKHNd2N_gbyNbq8&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe Either way, thanks so much for watching this one. I appreciate your time and your comment. I hope you have a great evening. Take care and be well! -Mark

[@swaxesarlschweiz]

It's the same. Period. Belongs to Tull.

[@danadrian2752]

This man is extremely prepared to play that G chord the first chance he gets

[@8MinuteAxe]

LMAO. Hey Dan. I know, I know. This was the first topical video I ever did and my channel was just starting to break. My friend says 'you know new channels should never do videos over 7 minutes'. I have no idea where he got that info so I listened. The video in its original incarnation was primarily me breaking down the two songs musically. But, I cut....and cut...and cut....to the point where.....I'm just a guy with a guitar. DOH! I'd really appreciate it if you'd be willing to check out another video. 90% of my videos are me playing. My new one is 25 FAMOUS 12 STRING RIFFS kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnbXlppqm9aEY6c. I also give away a brand new guitar every month on the channel. Either way, I do appreciate you checking this one out and yes, I seem to really want to bust out a G. Enjoy the rest of your weekend and take care. -Mark

[@jamesbennett9146]

I really just want him to play the god damn G. It's stressed me out the entire video.

[@valkilmerscareer2884]

When I saw Jethro Tull on their 45th anniversary tour Ian Anderson Introduced the song We used to Know by saying "and next we will be playing our greatest hit Hotel California" so yeahh....

[@WilliamJeffersonHunsaker-lr2bs]

A GOOD sense of humor can smooth things over, and then move on...

[@alanfleming4823]

Listening to the Tull song again after all these years and knowing Hotel so well after hearing it millions of times on the radio, it is clear where Felder got his inspiration for the melody from. For the record I like Tull's song more

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Alan. I do too! It's hard for me to say now that I know the comparison. Either way, it makes for fun conversation which was the point to begin with. :). I have a new one coming out in a couple hours if you're interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3WyiK1on7GDh80. Have a great weekend. Mark

[@jonesy2111]

Was Felder even in the band at that time? He did some session work for the Eagles album On the Boarder after that was asked to join in '75 when the Eagles began recording One of These Nights....

[@roboct6]

As Mark said, Don Felder didn’t even join the Eagles until 1974, so that’s that. The two songs sound nothing alike but for the “mellow vibe” which was certainly not exclusive to either band.

[@anthonyD2365]

I Love Tulls song more also. Suprised it wasnt a big hit.

[@des632]

So obvious really, so sad as I thought eagles were genuine, ... completely rip of people! ..

[@ocalagator2813]

I disagree that the songs don't sound similar. Not saying Felder consciously plagiarized the song but just because he wasn't a member of Eagles when they toured with Tull doesn't mean he never heard the song.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey man. Thanks for your comment. This was one of my first videos and I was trying to get a discussion going. Unfortunately, my poor editing cut out all the music demonstrations and diluted my points. I'd really appreciate it if you could check out one of my newer videos. Heres a cover of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. Watch "Beatles 12 String Cover and Lesson: Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo. I also give away a new 12 string guitar every month. Either way, thanks for watching this one. I appreciate your time and comment. Take care. -Mark

[@richardhines8622]

They even lifted the solo! Does it get any better that that?

[@FranconiaFriend]

Although they were popular when I was young, I didn't know much of JT's music. A friend of mine just gave me a copy of Stand Up, and as soon as I heard "We Used to Know" I was reminded of HC. So, there's a definite link.

[@tombunza705]

This chord progression predates both Tull and Eagles by centuries. It is so common in Flamenco Music, it has a name - "The Andalusion cadence", from that Region of Spain.

[@budg.6094]

I had never heard of the Andalusian Cadence, so I searched for it on KZbin. The first guitar player I landed on has a different idea of what the Andalusian Cadence is than you do.

[@williardbillmore5713]

When Hotel California first debuted on pop radio I had the nagging feeling that I already knew this song. Every chord change and phrase of the melody felt very familiar and could be anticipated in my mind as I heard the song for the first time. I must admit that I didn't make the connection until someone pointed it out to me and it all clicked. I had been a Tull fan throughout the early 70s and even Felder's guitar solos had the familiar ring evoking my memories of Martin Barre's solos on We Used To Know.. The Irony of that title was not lost on me once I realized why I felt an immediate comfort and familiarity with the melody, chords and guitar solos. Anderson says in an interview about this controversy if it was copied from his song that it is flattering and almost a bit of a tribute to him and his song. Anderson's dry wit then points out that the watch he is wearing is also a bit of a tribute to Rolex.. . ( an exact copy)... Ha ha ha ha ha

[@JimDeferio]

I never liked either song but I do admit that Hotel California sure sounds like it plagiarized Tull's song.

[@Rick-or2kq]

To me the important thing is Ian Anderson wasn't concerned about it and if he wasn't why should we.

[@misdangered4326]

I think Mr. Anderson was bothered but knew that taking on a huge record company would be financial suicide. If you ‘listen between the lines’ of some of his comments since you can pick up some subtle cut very cutting digs about it. Luckily he is very rich and successful enough to be able to live with the situation. But artists being ‘heavily influenced’ by other artists is all part of the game, without it there perhaps would have been no ‘Hotel California’, a lot less Led Zeppelin’, and a much duller world. Long live being ‘heavily influenced’… 😉

[@jermaschinot]

@@misdangered4326 I concur! Ian has a certain backhanded way of agreeing sometimes.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

@@misdangered4326 Luckily he is very rich .... Actually, is he ?

[@misdangered4326]

@@dmitripogosian5084 Yes, very. He has been as successful in business as he has been in music (possibly more so).

[@BillHart_Family_Friends]

Thanks for the link to this video Mark! I remember the song We Used To Know by Jethro Tull; before Hotel California by Eagles. Honestly, I picked up on the similarity between the two songs immediately (back then in 1976). I even thought the guitar solos on the two songs were too similar to be a coincidence. All these years I wondered how Eagles were able to keep that on the "down low" even in the face of their continuous harassment of folks who simply enjoy learning and playing Hotel California just for fun (like me). You are right Mark, it is hard to back the Eagles band; I love their music but hate their attitudes, I can't give them any support or sympathy! Sorry.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Bill. Even if you're short on time, please watch the first 90 seconds of this (I guarantee you'll be rolling laughing!!): DON HENLEY VS RICK BEATO: BLOCKERS AND THE FAIR USE BATTLE kzbin.info/www/bejne/raLceaV7oNBjbJY&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Also, My new video THE GREATEST GUITAR RIFFS OF ALL TIME: US vs UK premieres tomorrow at 12PM EDT (DON'T FORGET TO SET YOUR CLOCKS FORWARD TONIGHT! Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2nPfq1viLh3oNE I'll be hosting a LIVE CHAT from 11:45AM until the video plays through. After that, the video will be available via the link at any time! It's another head to head "riff off" with Simon Morel. I'll be announcing the winner of February's Orangewood Travel Guitar Giveaway on the livestream. I hope you can make it. Either way, I would appreciate it if you could give the video a few views, a like, and a comment. I know some of you have reposted my videos on your social media pages which is all greatly appreciated. I can't tell how humbled I am by all of the support. I know you all have busy lives and I'm so grateful for your time and consideration. Don't forget to enter this month's Vangoa 12 String Guitar Giveaway if you haven't already. All you have to do to enter is watch my original song video kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX7ZdJ5qg76aZ6M and give me an honest critique AND email me at [e-mail] and tell me why you should win the guitar! Take care and enjoy the rest of your weekend! -Mark

[@BillHart_Family_Friends]

@@8MinuteAxe Thanks Mark. I saw your Henley video a couple weeks ago and thought it was hilarious. Every guitarist I know loves Henley's music but they offer him no warm and fuzzy feelings. Your video is funny, unfortunately, it is mostly spot on, as well. Thanks for the reminder of daylight saving time (DST). I plan on cutting a foot off the top of our favorite blanket and sewing to the bottom of said blanket as well. Our youngest son (40 years old) lives in Phoenix; I asked him why Arizona didn't participate in DST, he replied with, "Why would someone want to add an extra hour of heat to their evening." LOL... Looking forward to your new video, I will try to watch it live, but it is complicated for me. Have a great evening!

[@etiennelacroix-videoproduc4382]

I went yesterday to a concert of JT. Prior to that. I made a playlist of the concert for my wife who never heard Tull, when she heard the song.. she said, wow, did he rip it off the eagles? It was a great show, a pity Ian lost his voice. Cheers

[@8MinuteAxe]

Thanks so much for checking out the video. Your wife has a remarkable ear. discerning the double time melody and 6/8 time and making the connection with Hotel California is impressive. Tull was 2nd concert ever. 12.10.84 in New Haven. I was 13. Caught them 5 times overall but I haven't seen them in 20 years. Take care and have a great weekend. Mark

[@georgeisaac9european387]

The two songs may be different but why can’t we accept the fact that The Eagles used to open up for Jethro Tull and in all probability could have been influenced at least a little by their music !

[@richardbonner6931]

I am not a musician, but I have just listened to them both again. No they are obviously not the same song but there are also parts of the guitar solo's that are very similar, also even in the flute melody. So I would say that with the similarity's in the cord progression, that hotel California was heavily influenced by Jethro tulls song.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Richard. That sounds like a reasonable assessment to me. I appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and weigh in. I hope you have a great weekend. Please take care and be well. Mark

[@delgado2010]

Why holding the guitar for 7 minutes if you're not going to use it?

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Edmundo. I know man. The original version was 15 minutes and I did an entire analysis which included playing. Making these topical type of videos is a bitch and I didn't want to have to reshoot from the beginning when I started cutting. KZbin analytics told me 5 to 7 minutes is best and I trimmed, and trimmed, and trimmed. LOL. I'd really appreciate it if you could check out one of my live covers where I actually play. Here's Pinball Wizard on the 12 string PINBALL WIZARD LIVE ON THE 12 STRING kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYTTimd3o7qid9E&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Strawberry Fields if that's more your taste STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqGQe3SjnNZ9i5Y. Either way, thanks so much for watching and for commenting. I really appreciate your time. Have a great evening and take care. -Mark

[@jimmnythecricket1175]

Wait, so is he a poser?

[@jimmnythecricket1175]

I'm joking...

[@TUSK1157]

I can't believe We Used to Know got past me back in the day. I had never heard it until this video made me want to check it out. It's a damn good song. I can hear some similarities to Hotel California but they're 2 totally different songs. I had to unlearn a lot of what my first guitar teacher taught me but the 1 thing I did learn was song structure. He knew how to write songs and he always said there's 2 things that can't be copyrighted. A title and a chord progression. In these 2 songs, I personally could note a similar, yet minute, similarity in cadence and strumming but not to the point of plagiarism. 💩, they now go as far as to break out computers and meters in court to measure similar sound waves. There was a time that plagiarism cases were determined by the percentage of the 2 songs similarity. Not because the intro was similar or the rhythm and chord pattern was similar. If that was the case, rock and roll would have died in a 1950s courtroom.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Frank. I love the last part of the comment. You're right. Thanks! I took a copyright class at Berklee and we were taught that only lyrics could be copyrighted by law. This was almost 20 years ago thought and seems like case law has changed the landscape dramatically. I played the hell out of my Stand Up CD but I would always play the first 6 tracks and then put something else on. Then one day it was playing through, Fat Man, came on, and then We Used To Know and I thought, man, how did I miss this song. It was my favorite Tull song for a while. Same thing happened on Benefit when I heard Cry You a Song for the first time. Great stuff! I really appreciate it!! -Mark

[@richardhines8622]

Are they two completely different songs, or are there similarities? You’re not quite sure?

[@josephmilsark123]

These are some other rip-off songs. All Day and All of the Night by The Kinks vs. Hello, I Love You by The Doors I Want a New Drug by Huey Lewis and the News vs. Ghostbusters by Ray Parker, Jr. You Need Love by Muddy Waters vs. Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin Warning by Green Day vs. Picture Book by The Kinks vs. Never Got the Chance by Other Garden Viva La Vida by Coldplay vs. If I Could Fly by Joe Satriani Sweet Little 16 by Chuck Berry vs, Surfin’ USA by The Beach Boys The Last Time by The Rolling Stones vs. Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve There are some other ones that you can look at from WatchMojo. I don’t know We Used to Know by Jethro Tull. I only know Hotel California by The Eagles. Even if I did know the Jethro Tull song, I wouldn’t think it sounded similar.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Joe. You know your stuff. I originally shot this video on Thursday and it was almost 20 minutes long. Berry/Wilson, Parker/Lewis, Davies/Morrison were all the 'editors cut;. LOL. I even did a bit about Ghostbusters where Parker was on the witness stand and kept saying 'I ain't afraid of no lawsuit'. My fiance thought it was too random for the video. LOL. I have to check out Warning by Green Day. I never heard of that dispute. I know the Kinks tune. Thanks so much for taking the time to write such a thorough comment. Great info and I really appreciate it. I hope you have an awesome day! -Mark

[@Greg-vd5om]

What a shame about "He's so fine" and "My Sweet Lord". I do remember that.....I still do not think that they are the same song.......What next, make all musicians pay money so that we can play a "G" Chord Progression (because it sounds like a Billion other songs)?..Fantasy Records owner, "Saul" did a horrible number on John Fogerty and is probably paying for it now, in Hell.....Sorry, anyway, I read John Fogerty's book. John, was young and Fantasy Records totally took advantage of that. Fantasy stole his music from him and continued to lie to him. The worst for me was "Stairway" and "Taurus". I like both songs but again, they are not the same song. Hotel California is an original song and some idiot Attorney will never change my mind on that.......Thank God, the "Stairway" case turned out like it did..........I love both songs but, Spirit's "Taurus" is no Led Zeppelin's "Stairway"......:)....Again, great vid!.....:).....THANKS!

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Greg. I love your comment. The running time on the first edit of this video was 15 minutes. I had to cut so many thoughts and comments out. I figured on a talking head video, I need to keep it under 7 minutes to make it interesting and entertaining. Some of he casualties that end up not making the cut: Saul, Spirit/Stairway, Brian Wilson/Chuck Berry, a detailed analysis of Blurred Lines, Ed Sheerin, etc. I took a copyright class at Berklee (keep in mind this was almost 20 years ago) and if melody and lyrics were different, there wasn't much of a case. There were some exceptions (mostly rap songs that used samples) but the way the judge handled the Blurred Lines claim really opened up a can of worms. Anyone that plays an instrument, at any level, knows that these disputes are utterly ridiculous. Should every 12 bar blues song be attributed to one person? Spirit's 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus may be the best album of all time that very few people know about. Yet, they'll be remembered for their frivolous lawsuit. I was at the gym a couple of years ago and a guy was telling me that there was a Jethro Tull song that Hotel California was based on. He couldn't remember the name. I'm a huge Tull fan so I couldn't wait to find out. When I read We Used to Know, I thought, are you kidding me? That was my favorite song on Stand Up. I have a video I'm planning doing called THE MOST UNDERRATED BAND OF ALL TIME? It's about CCR. John Fogerty got screwed pretty good by Saul. But he mostly screwed himself. His obsession with being pissed off occupied his time during what should have been the prime of his career. Who knows how many great songs we never got. Anyway, thanks so much. You know I really appreciate. Enjoy the rest of your evening! -Mark

[@Greg-vd5om]

@@8MinuteAxeI agree with you completely!......Spirit was a great group..My favorite was the Dr. Sardonicus album....Randy California (the guitarist and main singer for Spirit), died several years ago by drowning. He dove into the ocean to save his son and lost his life doing so. His son survived...sad story but, makes me think that Randy was a very great guy.......Yeah, John had a lot of anger......All the music we could have had from him.........I saw CCR in concert years ago and John WAS the band......LOL

[@TUSK1157]

@@Greg-vd5om Dr Sardonicus is an awesome album. Nature's Way still is one my all time favorite ballads and you don't have a rockin' bone in your body if you can sit still during We've Got Nothing to Hide. I'll piss a lot of people off when I say this but intentional or not the flute intro to Stairway is damn near the same as Taurus. That's pretty much as far as the 2 songs go in the same direction. Zeppelin opened for Spirit when Zeppelin first arrived in the U.S. at the time Spirit was touring with Taurus. It's ironic that Randy California never spoke up about it himself though. I believe the reason for that particular case was for the benefit of the same child that he died saving. I'm with you on Randy California was a helluva man for that.

[@Greg-vd5om]

@@TUSK1157 AMEN!

[@user-br7rm3ol2s]

I don't think the Jethro Tull song is all that close. If this were the Plagiarism standard, a lot of bands would be in trouble.

[@8MinuteAxe]

I totally agree. Thanks for the comment. I'm uploading a new video at 2pm today called THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. I'll be hosting a live chat at 1:45 pm until the video premieres at 2. I'm also giving away another BRAND NEW VANGOA 12 STRING GUITAR. Please join me for the chat and premiere. If you cant make it, the video will be available to view anytime after using the link above. Please like and comment. I appreciate your support!

[@kevinogracia1615]

One can't deny. "We Used To Know" and "Hotel California" are the same strumming patterns. Peace on earth.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Kevin. Different time signature. Do you mean the same chord sequence? If so, you're right. That's pretty much irrefutable. The most important thing is THANK YOU for checking out the video. I am grateful for your time and comment. Please take care and have a great weekend. Mark

[@arvidmeland687]

I was present at Jethro Tull's concert in Oslo, in March this year and Ian Anderson introduced "We used to know" with this plagiarism story. I couldn't help but smile as I've been thinking about this for quite some time. I've been a Jethro Tull fan since the 70s and have been playing "We used to know" on guitar long before I introduced to "Hotel California". I discovered quite quickly that I have played this chord sequence before when I started practicing "Hotel California". Several songs have several chords in succession, but this sequence is quite long. Conscious or uconscious copy, well, only the person who wrote "Hotel California" knows? They are both great songs the a completely different musical expression!

[@8MinuteAxe]

Great comment. This was one of the first videos I ever did and it was misunderstood by many people. I love Tull and I can take or leave Eagles. I was trying to make the same point. One of the things that speaks to me about the plagiarism thing is that nobody pointed it out for almost 20 years and then all of a sudden it's obvious. With the chords coming twice as fast and the 6/8 time signature, I think a trained musician could identify the cadence but it cracked me up one time when a guy told me that he and his wife went to a Tull show and at the fourth chord she said "I didn't know Jethro Tull wrote Hotel California. LMAO. The implausibility of that is off the charts. The cadence is very old and several people on here have linked oodles of songs that use it. Some like to point out that Eagles opened for Tull in 73 and were exposed to a daily dose of We Used to Know. Unfortunately, that theory falls flat because Felder wrote it and he wasn't in Eagles in 73. Bernie Leadon was their lead guitarist. Felder didn't join until a year later. Anyway, it's nice to trade comments with an even keeled, rational person. Some people on here have lost their minds. You wouldn't believe some of the comments I get sometimes. Take care, be well, and have a great weekend. -Mark

[@Isuzu81]

The Stones have a better case against the Eagles than Tull. Listen to the intro to Angie (1973) vs. HC (1977)

[@8MinuteAxe]

Really interesting catch. I did a video about how awesome the Angie chord progession is. Thanks for that. I'm uploading a new video at 2pm today called THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. I'll be hosting a live chat at 1:45 pm until the video premieres at 2. I'm also giving away another BRAND NEW VANGOA 12 STRING GUITAR. Please join me for the chat and premiere. If you cant make it, the video will be available to view anytime after using the link above. Please like and comment. I appreciate your support!

[@exessex3522]

I'm new to this and have just played JT's "We Used To Know". I heard it straight away. It's too reminiscent of "Hotel California" for it to be a coincidence. Still, if JT don't care, why should anybody else?

[@8MinuteAxe]

I think that's a great attitude. I appreciate you checking it out. I'm uploading a new video at 2pm today called THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. I'll be hosting a live chat at 1:45 pm until the video premieres at 2. I'm also giving away another BRAND NEW VANGOA 12 STRING GUITAR. Please join me for the chat and premiere. If you cant make it, the video will be available to view anytime after using the link above. Please like and comment if you can. I appreciate your support! Take care and be well. -Mark

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Honestly, nobody probably would care, if not Eagles attitudes to their songs

[@richardstark388]

Don Felder who composed the music for Hotel California didn't join the Eagles till 1974, they toured with Jethro Tull in 1972,, so Don wasn't around for that tour.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Richard. yeah man, I mention that in the video but there are still conspiracy theorists who think that because Felder was friends with them, he attended the shows and got it from there. LOL. I was hoping that the video would stir more debate but not so much. Most of my viewers are too kind. I guess it's a good problem to have. Lately, I've been doing a lot of live covers on the 12. here's Pinball Wizard PINBALL WIZARD LIVE ON THE 12 STRING kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYTTimd3o7qid9E&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe and Life by the Drop by SRV SRV ‘LIFE BY THE DROP LIVE 12 STRING COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2eolqaglt-krrs&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe if you're interested. Either way, thanks so much for checking this one out and for taking the time to leave a comment. Take care and be well. -Mark

[@natfoote4967]

Now I’ve got the lyrics of “Hotel California” playing to the melody of “Used to Know” in my head. ‘Thanks’.

[@ianwylie9064]

there is definitely a 'shadowing' of the Jethro Tull song. It is not so different for much of the important bits. this does not validate claims of plagiarism when content and circumspection are employed. tricky, tricky... who would want to judge??

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Ian. Funny story. I did a live show this weekend where I played through it and I'm starting to go the other way. I'm a huge Tull fan and I'm not a fan of the Eagles because of all the crap that Henley is pulling. If you're not a Henley fan either, I promise you'll enjoy the first 2:30 of this one. DON HENLEY VS RICK BEATO: BLOCKERS AND THE FAIR USE BATTLE kzbin.info/www/bejne/raLceaV7oNBjbJY&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. take care and enjoy the rest of your week. I appreciate your time and comment. Mark

[@electoplater]

eagles were tulls support band thar says it all

[@8MinuteAxe]

Yeah, but Felder wasn't in the band. Bernie Leadon was their guitarist at the time. The more I listen though, the more I'm being convinced that there are more than just passing similarities. That's the whole point I guess, good debate. I really appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and to leave a comment. I will be uploading a new video today at 2pm (about 1 hour from now) and I'll be hosting a live chat from 1:45pm until the end of the video. Here's the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZjTnousocSlidk&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. I hope you can join me! I'll announce the winner of the pedal contest today and the winner of the guitar next week. I also scored another guitar to give away next month!! Either way, I hope you have a great weekend!! Mark

[@davidmcausland4088]

I think some of these lawsuits are just a way of making money without hard work, Let's face it if these lawsuits were restricted to only working performing bands that were actively touring a lot of the lawsuits would disappear.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Dave. That's a great point. And I couldn't agree with you more. The original cut of this video was 15 minutes. LOL. I got in the weeds with all of my opinions on the subject. I think for most of the younger bands, you're spot on. I watched a video this evening that theorized that a lot of the old school musicians have old school managers. Hence that attitude of protecting their property at all costs. Thanks so much for watching the video and for your comment. I appreciate your time. All the best! -Mark

[@aldhizak]

anderson didnt have to sue the eagles, he already had those fruitful years~

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Diza. Could be. I saw Tull in concert many times and met Ian Anderson briefly at a meet and greet on the Steel Monkey tour. He was very nice and always had a reputation for being quite the gentleman. Thanks so much for checking out the video. If you have a few minutes I think you'll really enjoy my cover and accompanying video for LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS COVER AND LESSON kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Either way, thanks for watching this one. I appreciate your time and your comment. Take care and have a great weekend. -Mark

[@shreyanshroy7892]

I don't know it is a rip off or not..... The eagles have done a great work and I love that

[@8MinuteAxe]

I don't like Henley but I like the Eagles!

[@shreyanshroy7892]

@@8MinuteAxe I get it😆

[@BrianBocineccomedy]

I think they named themselves Eagles instead of The Eagles so they could correct people

[@8MinuteAxe]

I think they named themselves Eagles so you could correct people. You know I was thinking of you every damn time I said the word Eagles. LMAO. Thanks for watching!!

[@grievouserror]

Surprising to me that I've never heard of this allegation nor was I familiar with 'We Used to Know', but I've always been more of a casual fan of Tull. Listening to it for the first time, I found it brought to mind a couple of other songs (which I can't *quite* name) but NOT HC. I hear more resemblance between 'The Ballad of Gilligan's Isle' and 'Stairway to Heaven' than these two. The Shangri-Las and George Harrison seems like a far more legitimate comparison, though. In fact, my girlfriend, a rabid, OG Beatles fanatic and amateur documentarian, has claimed that George Harrison played 'My Sweet Lord' for John Lennon, possibly for inclusion on 'Abbey Road', and was upset by John's comment that he'd just written 'He's So Fine.' An apocryphal story, maybe, but no doubt it's a great video, Mark, thank you.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Rob. So, you're hypothesizing that Ian Anderson ripped off Sherwood Schwartz?? And you couldn't have given me that before I made the video. I could have fun with that. I hear it! I am a Beatles trivia junkie and I don't remember that John line. Definitely sounds like John! Thanks so much for your support. I appreciate your comments. Most excellent!! -Mark

[@grievouserror]

@@8MinuteAxe LOL! PLEASE don't spread that rumor, the Interwebs have enough to deal with already... although a Jethro Tull cover would have been interesting to hear. While I love the Jethro Tull I know, I've never delved that deeply into their catalog. Anyone I know who saw a live show (my current girlfriend included) says they were amazing. They were such a singular entity in the genre it's tough to imagine a credible claim of Anderson plagiarizing anyone, or needing to. The similarities I heard between 'We Used to Know' and unidentifiable songs were more jazz-related. Although I still can't quite identify just what it's reminiscent of, it's not plagiarism... more like 'in the style of.' I never heard about the Schwartz/Page connection until I caught a recording of 'Stairway to Gilligan's Island' and thought it was genius. Insofar as John and George are concerned, my resident expert offered that she got it from an interview (possibly Playboy) and that George's refusal to hear what John was saying (or what he'd written) points to how far their relationship had deteriorated at that point. She also pointed out that his first album after The Break Up was a triple-disc effort of Brobdingnagian stature, packed with years' worth of songs turned down by Paul and john. At that point, George probably didn't want to hear *anything* John had to say about what he should record and publish. Plagiarism accusations aside, it's still a great song.

[@BillyBogart]

You're right songs sound nothing alike. I think the internet is too full of people who think chord progressions can be copyrighted. It's actually astounding to read the comment sections and all these people calling the Eagles all bad musicians who are only remembered for one song. Lot of revisionism going on these days. I know some of the Eagles contemporaries didn't like them like Gram Parsons for example but Gram was probably jealous of their success as he basically died a "painting"(his value went up after he was gone). Some Tull fans think the world revolves around them. Who knows maybe this was all started by Tull themselves or their record company because sales were down? I think that's why Spirit tried to sue Led Zeppelin.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Billy. Great comment. I agree with everything you said. Gram never lived up to his legend and stuff like Sweetheart of the Rodeo was groundbreaking the songs don't hold up enough (at least for me) to make it an all time classic. Jealously for sure. My favorite Gram song is Hickory Wind. My second favorite isn't even his song but the song Bernie Leadon wrote about him, My Man (an Eagles tune. LOL). I'm a Tull fan for sure but I agree with the either underrating them or OVER rating them. There's no middle ground. All of this is absolutely because of the record company. Did you catch today's upload? I did an acoustic cover of Ain't Talkin Bout Love as a tribute to Eddie. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmTTfpmOl9R5kMk&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Have a great evening and take care! -Mark

[@SurferDudeJimmy]

On top of the cord progressions it is also curious that they also both have two guitar solos. It sure seems to me that Don Felder was at least inspired by the Jethro Tull track.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Jim. I think that's as likely as any scenario and certainly a reasonable assumption. This was one ot my first videos and sadly I hacked all the playing and theory out of it. I was advised that new channels should never exceed 7 min . So I edited to the point where I'm inexplicably holding a guitar for no reason. Lol. Thanks so much for checking it out. I appreciate your time and comment. Have a great day and take care. Mark

[@tekannon7803]

As an unpublished but a busted and disgusted prolific song writer, I think this anecdote covers the bases prr-rr-retty well as far as ripping off other people's material. I was playing in a stand up mic joint called The Bag 'o' Chicken on 6th street in Austin, Texas when I was starting out and another newcomer with a handle bar mustache from New Orleans with a nickname I've forgotten but who was a fine player among us six-string sound-demons said that a long time ago his neighbor's uncle was working in his barbershop one day when a customer told him that his Grandpa's best friend overheard someone on a city bus say that once when Hank Williams went to hear another musician play, during the song his buddy leaned over and said, "Hank, that guy stole your bridge from your latest tune. What are you gonna do about it?" Hank let his eyes swivel over to meet his friends puzzzled look and said, "Hell, that's nothin', I steal from everybody."

[@8MinuteAxe]

Ok, this one is priceless. This video was conceived as a 15 minute theory lesson. I ended up cutting and cutting and eventually I ended up with a lot of jump cuts and as a guy sitting with a guitar for no apparent reason. DOH. -Mark

[@JeffintheD]

I have a gnawing anxiety waiting for you to strum that Gmaj chord.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Detroit Buckeye. An OSU fan in Wolverine territory. I admire the courage. I went to UCONN so I just keep my mouth shut until basketball season. Actually, as of late, I just keep my mouth shut. LOL. I honestly don't understand the comment. I've been known to miss the obvious on more than one occasion so I'm sure it's user error on my part. I was hoping this video was going to garner more debate. Not so much. It totally flopped out of the gate and the views have trickled in. Definitely people that are adamant either way. I grew up as a big Tull fan and had listened to We Used to Know countless times before the comparison was made (or at least became widespread) so I don't hear it. I had one guy send me a day by day of Don Felder's schedule in 74. Anyway, I really appreciate you taking the time to check the video out. As of late, I've been doing a lot of live covers on the 12 string. Here's Strawberry Fields if you're interested STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqGQe3SjnNZ9i5Y. If you're not a Beatles guy how about an acoustic cover of Long Time by Boston A LONG TIME - BOSTON- 12 STRING COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXOpYZarhNacpMk. Either way, I appreciate your time. Have a great evening and take care. -Mark

[@100Aces]

@@8MinuteAxe I've been watching mark since the beginning! Share his video and keep watching! There is a ton of stuff like this + great guitar lessons

[@kingkrollinvention]

I wish I would have found this video a year ago. When Ian Anderson was asked he claimed he thought it was just coincidence. The Eagles did open up for Jethro Tull before they made Hotel California

[@F8NcH8Ng]

FYI, George Harrison has said he was not copying He's So Fine for My Sweet Lord. But what he was trying to do instead was to borrow from Oh Happy Day by The Edwin Hawkins Singers. There is a transition chord in both songs between the verse and chorus which proves this. This transition chord is not present in He's So Fine. Rock on !!

[@8MinuteAxe]

I've read the same. I think what really makes it a tough argument is that the melody of the second part is pretty similar too. I'm one that believes the entire history of Rock n Roll is standing on the shoulders of your predecessors. George Harrison is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. He certainly didn't need to copy anybody. I wish they would take the entire situation into account when they make these judgements. People go crazy about the Jethro Tull thing. Most do it because they don't like Henley and or/ Eagles. How come nobody noticed the similarities for the first 20 years. I really appreciate you checking out the video and for your comment. Have a great weekend and take care. Mark

[@stevebarthelmes8979]

Felder does a nice job describing in detail how he came up with the intro rif in his tell all book. I believe it is not a copy, but everyone is influenced by what they hear. The fact that The Eagles kicked him out made me an anti Eagle fan.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Steve. Damn. I wrote you a long and by my own standards a rather thoughtful response to your comment and then my computer crashed. LOL. I agree with you completely. Every songwriter borrows a little from everything he or she hears. It's impossible not to. No way it was a deliberate pinch and even if it was, he took it to a completely different place and made it original in its own right. I appreciate you adding to the debate and for your time. Have a great day and take care! -Mark

[@ginomazzei1076]

I was born anti-eagles. Geez man get a grip. Michael Bolton-Kenny G- Monkeys- Vanilla Ice-Eagles.... 🎩

[@music_strokes]

Mark! You're doing great! Two things A. Ignore haters B. Just have a small smile That would be so much better Thank u so much for your content It's lovely

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Hassan. Thanks man. I appreciate that very much. I don't mind haters. I just don't understand why that guy would continue to watch me if he doesn't like me. LOL. There are a lot of channels I don't like. I just watch something else. I believe that's the fourth video he's commented on. And yes, I do need to make it look like I'm enjoying it as much as I am. I will tell you this, when I talk to you guys, I'm always smiling. I'm so grateful for all of the support. Take care my friend. -Mark

[@Mr.JP1996]

Almost all 90’s rappers would use older songs’ music. For example Wild Wild West uses the music of a Steve Wonder’s song. Or Can’t Touch uses the music of Super Freak etc... I didn’t know they could get in trouble for doing so, since so many of them did it.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Yeah, it got really muddy in the 90s. I know on Wild Wild West, Stevie Wonder got songwriting credit. I did a semester at Berklee and took a music business course where we discussed how Super Freak / Can't Touch This was a game changer. Rick James argued that the bass riff was fundamental to the overall song and it changed the old standard of lyrics and melody. I think the big deal with Vanilla Ice was that he refused to even admit that he sampled the song. He claimed that the riff is original. LOL. If you have a few minutes, please check out some of my other videos. I do mostly 12 string covers and lessons. Here's my latest VENTURA HIGHWAY kzbin.info/www/bejne/l57Hl4FppcSDars&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Let me know what you think! Have a great day and take care. -Mark

[@Incomudro1963]

I'm no fan of the Eagles, but these songs differ tremendously. Yeah, you can hear it kind of... But, otherwise - no.

[@dash8too]

Thanks for this video man! I listen to both Tull and Eagles, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have bias. The Eagles are my favorite band with Pink Floyd at a close 2nd. I probably listened to “Hotel California” over 50 times before I heard “We Used to Know” and I hear little similarities. This could be my inherent bias, but I couldn’t hear it. I’m a younger classic rock fan. I’m 18 and probably started listening to both bands around 15-16. Both bands are amazing and produced timeless music. Honestly, I have found that the Eagles get a lot of hate in the classic rock community. I feel this hate perpetuated this idea of the plagiarism in regard to Jethro Tull. I definitely do understand; Henley is kind of a jerk and felt should be the sole leader in the band. If the band members stayed as equal partners, then I don’t think this dictator complex would’ve formed.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Noah. You don't know how good it is to hear from people your age talking about classic rock. I'm in my 40s and I feel like I caught the dying breath of it. But, the good news is, guitar sales are up. There seems to be renewed energy in the classic rock scene. A lot of the old geezers are doing sold out tours and there are quite a lot of young people there. Two great choices for favorite bands. We agree 100% on the HC Tull thing. I love Tull. I love Eagles. I don't think Don Felder had the slightest idea of that song in his head when lighting struck and he came up with the perfect riff and melody. And you couldn't be more correct about Eagles getting a lot of hate from the classic rock community. When I was growing up it was not cool to like them at all. But look at the sum of the parts. On their own, each member of the band is incredibly well respected. Randy Meisner was in Buffalo Springfield and Poco, Henley had a great and well respected solo career, as did Frey. Joe Walsh is a living legend. And Felder as always talked about fondly. There's something about that 70s corporate rock thing that just didn't sit well. All of the bands in that genre are aging gracefully and gaining respect. Journey, Boston, Doobie Brothers, Foreigner, Styx, REO Speedwagon. All of those guys worked their asses off and wrote a lot of great songs. No reason to lay the hate on them! Thanks so much for your comment. I really enjoyed reading and responding. Have an awesome day!! -Mark

[@dash8too]

@@8MinuteAxe Thank you so much for replying! It’s been awhile since you posted your response, but I thought I should thank you regardless. I think you are absolutely correct. I’m happy to see your channel is still thriving!

[@mikew.1913]

We watched a documentary on the Eagles on Netflix and I got to say Glenn Frey does not come across as a very nice person. Arrogant is a word that comes to mind when thinking about him, his treatment of Don Felder was atrocious. He also tried to take more credit for Hotel California than Felder. Not cool.

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

If anything is most definitively shared between the two, to me, it's some of the solo bits. But what I REALLY hear "We Used To Know" echoes in is: "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica. I'm amazed that despite so much searching, it doesn't seem like anyone else has connected those dots. Once again, not full key matches, but the backbone, feel, and solos definitely taste like they've stewed in the same broth. Anyone else think so? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnKqn36mepmBeas

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey ZA. For sure, feel has to be taken into consideration and it's not. Nothing Else Matters has that descending feel and I know what you mean. Key really shouldn't matter. Everything has been turned upside down since sampling. It's hard to know where to draw the line. I mostly play on my channel. Check out my PINBALL WIZARD LIVE ON THE 12 STRING kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYTTimd3o7qid9E&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe if you have a few. Don't forget, I give a new 12 string away every month on the channel. Details are in most of my newer videos. Here's my latest if you're interested. It has some very cool video effects for the performance at the end THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. Thanks so much for your time. Please have a great day and take care. -Mark

[@paulsmart5199]

Eagles were support act for Tull on tour, would have heard the song daily so quite possibly subconsciously or otherwise may have inspired hotel California. Ian Anderson has talked about this many times

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Paul. Thanks for checking out the video and weighing in. Old video and I don't really have a strong opinion anymore. I have do have a strong opinion about Don Henley. All he should care about at this point is his reputation/legacy and the guy us so outspoken about royalties when he profited more than ANYBODY after Napster changed the paradigm. He invented the $500 concert ticket. The cadence for HC and We Used to Know is 100s of years old and in tons of songs. As far as hearing it on tour, Don Felder wrote the chords and melody. He wasn't in the band at the time Bernie Leadon was their lead guitar player on that tour. Who knows, maybe Felder was a Tull fan. Take care and enjoy the rest of your week. Mark

[@nathanpinney4230]

Since all music is composed from the same notes and keys it’s amazing more music doesn’t sound similar

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Nathan. How's it going? Yes, my students are always amazed when I do that first theory lesson and explain that all music is based on 12 notes. To a lot of classical students, all rock music sounds the same (or at least that's their high brow assertion. LOL). I'm sure that 99% of these newer claims are driven by attorneys and not artists. Anyway, I appreciate your continued support of the channel. I'll probably upload another video today or tomorrow. I had to take a little break. I did 9 videos in April and I was out of gas. Have a great day! -Mark

[@jah8859]

I think there is a case to make for inspired by as opposed to copied. The fact that someone can claim a certain chord progression, rhythm, etc just doesn't sit well with me. cheers

[@Heywood.Jablome]

Felder is such a class act. All the psychotic Eagles rage is owned by Henley and Frey ALONE. Such a shame....

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Alex. One of the first reasonably successful (merelu meaning we gigged regularly) was called the Horrorshow Groodies. I'm guessing you know the reference. Felder is a class act for sure. I caught him in concert a few years back. A lot of people misunderstood where I was coming from on this video. I have waged war against Henley in several videos (I've spoofed him in a bunch of ways) and I love Jethro Tull. I think This Was through Thick As a Brick stands with the best as far as consistently awesome albums. I've seen Tull a bunch of times and wouldn't give Henley a dime. I just think that the reason people think the similarities are 'obvious' is because they are looking for it. What about the 20 years that went by when not a single person ever brought it up. I appreciate your comment. Take care and be well. Mark

[@rogerdaly6326]

​@@8MinuteAxe Something about Henley & Frey that always rubbed me wrong was when they reunited for the Hell Freezes Over. They demanded a bigger cut of the profits but both of them had very successful solo careers. Why not help the other members out that weren't as fortunate. Nope. Had to be greedy & arrogant. Also both the Tull song & Hotel chord progressions are built off the cycle of fifths. When dealing with the western diatonic music system theres bound to be some overlap sooner than later.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Roger. For sure! I did a video call Don Henley vs Rick Beato. I spoof Henley (he beats me up in one, trades me a guitar for my soul in another, and I find a hidden message in Dirty Laundry. Lol) thanks for checking out the video and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend and take care. Mark

[@kingofthedots3835]

Similar ,but not the same !.......Hotel was not murkey ....and very well developed on a close melody .........I've never considered My Sweet Lord to remind me of ?.......I don't even remember the Chiffons ....

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey again KOTD. For sure, feel has to be taken into consideration and it's not. Check out my PINBALL WIZARD LIVE ON THE 12 STRING kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYTTimd3o7qid9E&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe if you have a few. Don't forget, I give a new 12 string away every month on the channel. Details are in most of my newer videos. Here's my latest if you're interested. It has some very cool video effects for the performance at the end THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. Thanks so much for your time. Please have a great day and take care. -Mark

[@davepestka9317]

"When I sing along, I feel cool..." love the sense of humor in these videos.

[@CameronCox]

Pretty great video, i learned a lot! I was wondering if you could make a video about reading tabs sometime soon, i'm having some trouble figuring it out, and i'd bet some other people are as well. Keep up the work man

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Cameron. I can make a video about reading tab but I'll do you one better. Email me at [e-mail] and we can go over anything you need help with. Thanks so much for watching and for your comment. Have a great evening. I look forward to your email! -Mark

[@quasidiem99]

Why did you not demonstrate the difference and similarities? That is why I clicked on the video. Might help.

[@8MinuteAxe]

For sure. A handful of other people expressed similar disappointment and I almost didn't do this video because I knew that I wouldn't be able to demonstrate. Don Henley and the boys have a lockdown on Hotel California. The YT algorithm picks it up every time and the video other gets demonitized (I don't care about that, I haven't turned monetization on anyway as I don't want my viewers to have to sit through commercials) or gets taken down, which was my fear. I'm not sure if you've seen any of my other videos but I did a 12-string video 9 months ago where I get into a fight with Don over royalty money. That sparked a 'feud' . Every once in a while I spoof him in a video. In this one, I sell my soul to him at the crossroads MORE CLASSIC 12 STRING RIFFS kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWO6fKCEjrRpi9E and I did one on backwards messages where at the end I 'uncover' a hidden message in Dirty Laundry. LOL. It's pretty funny. BACKWARDS MASKING IN ROCK AND HOW IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME AS A KID kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCUf5eon990Zpo. If you have time great, but either way I appreciate you taking the time to watch this one. I hope you have a great weekend. Be well and take care! -Mark

[@alcharcus8755]

Jethro Tull was one of my favourite bands in the 70s... watching them perform live in Sheffield City Hall is still in my top 3 concerts over 50 years later. Hotel California was the first song I heard by the Eagles. Unfortunately I immediately threw them, along with several other bands into my rip-off artists bin. It was 10s of years later before I listened to them again and recognised the quality of their music... I'll be starting my 72nd orbit of the sun this year and my musical tastes have mellowed. I'd probably heard We Used to Know a hundred times before I heard Hotel California, so the similarities stood out like a sore thumb to me. If it didn't annoy Ian Anderson, it sure doesn't bother me anymore. I don't even have a tribute Rolex.. wink

[@williambaldridge1203]

I'm not saying that the songs are the same or that "Hotel California" is a ripp off of Tull's "we used to know", but the fact that Felder wasn't in the band doesn't matter, because the album was a a very popular album at the time.my bet is Felder heard the album. That would have been enough.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey William. One of the most logical and useful comments to the discussion I've received (and I have gotten lots of comments). The funny thing is, many people mistaken me for an Eagles fan boy. I've been fighting Don Henley very publically for the past two years and I've spoofed him in many videos. I've seen Tull in concert 5 times and I wouldn't be caught dead at an Eagles show (because of tix prices). I pointed out that Felder wasnt in the band because the most popular argument that Felder ripped it is that Eagles toured with Tull in 73. Just the fact that its Eagles and not The Eagles makes me mad. Lol. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I appreciate your time and comment. I have a new video TOP 10 ELECTRIC 12-STRING SONGS OF ALL TIME premiering in about 40 minutes if you're interested. Doing a live chat on the video page at 1220. Either way, have a great weekend, be safe, and take care. Mark

[@brettjensen994]

That's some interesting background on how music has become so overinfested with lawyers

[@michaelirby1747]

You could easily teach this as a college course in American music history.

[@AaronHarper0]

i've always wondered how songwriters, just starting out, can write with any confidence that they aren't accidentally matching a hook or some other song's components without losing all motivation. Thanks for the great content Mark!

[@8MinuteAxe]

That's a great question Aaron. The truth is that most of us have rewritten hundreds of songs. Apparently some guy wrote an algorithm with every combination of melodies possible (it's in the billions I believe) and copyrighted them all. So technically, he is now the grandmaster of songwriting. You should investigate that. It seems like something up your alley. I really appreciate you checking out the video. Enjoy the rest of your day. -Mark

[@reppepper]

Why are you fretting a G the whole time? Okay almost the whole time.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Lmao. I know, I know. The video was originally 20 minutes long and I played through each song. I ended up cutting everything so I'm left just talking with the damn guitar in my hand. It was an early video if you'll give me a pass for that. I'm uploading a new video at 2pm today called THE SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. I'll be hosting a live chat at 1:45 pm until the video premieres at 2. I'm also giving away another BRAND NEW VANGOA 12 STRING GUITAR. Please join me for the chat and premiere. If you cant make it, the video will be available to view anytime after using the link above. Please like and comment if you can. I appreciate your support! Take care and be well. -Mark

[@jerrypetrillo2903]

Well presented - thought you might have also mentioned the Huey Lewis and the News ' I Wanna New Drug' / Ray Parker Jr ' Ghostbusters' suit as well . Couple of big artists / big songs and a huge movie back in the 80's . I know it was settled out of court - what I found most interesting / ironic was that Lewis was approached first to write the theme song for Ghostbusters but passed on it . As fate would have it , his mark was left on the song anyway .

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Jerry. I really appreciate the comment. I actually recorded Huey and Ray's dispute along with a couple of others but I cut them. At the time I did this video, the channel was just starting to pick up a little steam and I had recently gotten a few 'get to the point' comments on previous videos so all the videos from this time period are super lean. You can see that there are way too many rough cuts in the video as well. I'm not sure if you saw Tim Pierce's recent three part interview with Ray Parker Jr. but it was excellent. I didn't realize how successful he was as a session guitarist and songwriter. I was a kid when Ghostbusters came out and he will ultimately always be the guy that wrote (and yeah, kind of ripped) the Ghostbusters theme despite his Marvin Gaye pedigree. I also recently found out that Lewis was first approached to write the song and I agree that it's very curious how the song came out so Huey like. Thanks so much for your time and comment. I did another topical piece on backwards masking BACKWARDS MASKING IN ROCK AND HOW IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME AS A KID kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCUf5eon990Zpo if you're interested. Most of my stuff are 12 string covers and lessons. Here's a 12 string cover of Boston's Long Time A LONG TIME - BOSTON- 12 STRING COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXOpYZarhNacpMk. Either way, I appreciate you watching this one and I hope you enjoy the rest of your day. All the best. -Mark

[@jerrypetrillo2903]

8 Minute Axe Thanks for taking the time on this reply I appreciate the links too and will check them both out

[@jerrypetrillo2903]

8 Minute Axe Forgot to mention this one - maybe it’s only me but ... Listen to This is Not America / Bowie , Pat Matheney from Falcon and the Snowman soundtrack Then go right to No Promises by Icehouse Hmmm. - again , maybe it’s just me - lol Either way - two pretty good tracks that came out around the same time

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Jerry. Mission accomplished. How the heck did you ever put those two together. Oh man. Exactly the same. I'm listening to No Promises right now and waiting for this is not America line. Lol. I love Falcon and remember now that Pat did music for it. I'm a huge Pat Metheny fan. I've seen him three times. The most important lesson I ever learned on guitar I learned from Pat. No amount of practice is ever enough. Lol. The guy practices 3 hours before every show when hes on tour. Sometimes, and only sometimes, I will tune my guitar before I play a gig. 🤡 thanks so much. Have a great day! -Mark

[@jerrypetrillo2903]

8 Minute Axe Glad you checked them out - glad it’s not just me - lol I love Metheney too and played that soundtrack album a lot ( by the way another underrated soundtrack album from that time period was To Live and Die in LA - Wang Chung , yes Wang Chung - it’s really excellent ) A girl friend introduced me to Icehouse back then. Heard No Promises first and my musical brain went - huh? Nice track but just knew it was far too familiar Odd that all these years no one ever brings it up when discussing the influence / rip off topic Glad you experienced it too

[@CrustyAbsconder]

The popular pop-song about Havana sounds just like the Veggie Tales song Banana.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey SS. That's so funny. This is one of the first videos I ever did and I never expected people to have such strong opinions. I love Jethro Tull and I've been in a feud with Henley for two years. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I appreciate your time and comment. Mark

[@BG-id2cv]

I played We Used To Know to a number of my friends who had never heard it before. I asked them all each time "Does this sound like a song you have heard before?" Each one of them sits there and says along the lines "yeah, it does remind me of a song, but I can't quite pick it". I then state "Hotel California" and everyone of them says "Yes" or "Of course" or "Certainly" or similar. There is no doubt about the similarity. But yes, they are different.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey BG. This is one of the best replies I've gotten on the channel. I love the fact that you played it without telling them what it was supposed to be first. That's the only way to do it without bias. I think your experiment is more valid than anything I add on here. If you have a few, In my new video I countdown THE TOP 10 12 STRING SONGS OF THE 1970S. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKKVnmyrdq2LisU&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe So many great songs from the 70s. Also, don't forget to enter this months 12 string guitar giveaway. Have a great weekend and take care. -Mark

[@bobshomewoodshop7996]

Thanks for the history about those lawsuits. My knowledge of music theory is limited, but when you consider there are only 12 notes to work from it seems to me that similarities are inevitable. That said, I have no sympathy for any musician that intentionally steals any part of a song from another musician. I would not want to be a jury member for any of these lawsuits.

[@airbrushcraig]

Felder and Bernie Leadon went to the Gainesville High School together. Don jammed with Eagles and Joe Walsh for years before he was asked to join. He even played on a couple of Eagles songs (Already Gone and Good day in Hell}, before Joining. The probability that Don never went to an Eagles concert or listened to Jethro Tull in the late 60's or 70's is slim to none. I love Ian's take on the matter. They're not the same song, but it seems to be heavily inspired by "We Used to Know. It's most likely subconscious and coincidental, but the first time I heard HC I instantly thought about WUTN.. It's not a rip off but is much closer than some that have been judged to be. HC is a much more complex and well written song and Ian is happy for their success. Eagles and JT are two of my all time favorites, but if "We Used to Know" was written 5 years after HC I'll bet the outcome would be much different. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_cYYigaZJgqs0

[@kitrichardson2165]

The Robin Thicke song was a total joke. It’s as if every Time somebody used ambience or a style from a previous artist they’re going to get sued now? Brian Wilson used to study vocal harmonies of the four freshmen before he would go on to do amazing things with the harmonies in the Beach boys, should they sue the beach boys now? This is why there’s such a prejudice against lawyers in many quarters but The real problem is that 12 people off the street who know nothing about music are not really “peers“ and they are often manipulated by good attorneys- and maybe Robin Thicke didn’t hire a good attorney because he didn’t think he needed it for this stupid lawsuit which unfortunately prevailed.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Kit. Excellent points. I didnt even think about the jury trial angle and who you're dealing with. Too bad cooler, more rational heads dont opt for the bench. I love the fact that the judge presiding over Fogertys case threw it out on principle without deliberation. I get a lot of people emailing me telling me what a dummy I am for 'not hearing' the similarities in HC and the Tull song. How come no one noticed this for 25 years? One person told me that he played it for 20 people at a party but didnt tell them what they were supposed to hear and no one got it. But even that isnt the point. You cant copyright a chord progression. One viewer even sent me a jazz tune from the 30s that had the same chord sequence. Sadly, my own video is thin. The original video was 20 min and the reason I'm holding a guitar is because I broke both songs down melodically and harmonically. Right when I was making this the channel finally broke through and I was scared to put out a 20 min dissertation. Instead I edited it down to a 7 min fluff piece. Sigh. Anyway, thanks so much for watching. Take care and have a great week! Mark

[@waynehawkins7581]

Would love to see the eagles sued for plagiarism

[@mikekean8344]

Don't get my hopes up. Hotel California, actually kind of sucks. Jethro Tull are great!!

[@8MinuteAxe]

Mike, I hit send before I finished my thoughts. LOL. I've seen Tull 5 times. First time in 87 when IA still had all of his energy. It was my first experience with .... the balloons!!! LOL (I'm guessing you know what I'm talking about).

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Guys, even if you're short on time, please watch the first 90 seconds of this video DON HENLEY VS RICK BEATO: BLOCKERS AND THE FAIR USE BATTLE kzbin.info/www/bejne/raLceaV7oNBjbJY&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. I promise you'll be in stitches. If either of you guys play, I give away a brand new guitar every month on my channel. Please take care and thanks so much for your time and support! -Mark

[@Tjoppy]

It would have been more pleasurable to listen to you if you didn't cut so much in your video. There are no pauses in your talking which makes it tiring to listen to. I don't understand why people on KZbin do this.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey man. I really appreciate your comment. I'm not sure how many of my videos you've seen but this one I chopped like crazy for sure. I left so much good info on the cutting room floor. Previously, I did some topical videos like this and people complained that it was too long. Most of my videos are performances or countdowns where I don't usually have to worry about too much editing or be so conscious of time. I did a video on backwards masking where I think I found a better happy medium. Here it is if you have the time to give me some feedback on it. BACKWARDS MASKING IN ROCK AND HOW IT SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME AS A KID kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCUf5eon990Zpo. Again, I also have a lot of performances, mostly featuring the 12 string. Here's the Rain Song on a 12 string, if you have time THE RAIN SONG ON 12-STRING GUITAR kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKWmoJ53j7V2ZtU. Either way, thanks so much for watching this one. I really do appreciate you taking the time to write a thoughtful and helpful comment. I hope you have a great evening! Take care and be well! -Mark

[@MrJdsenior]

:Yeah, you TOTALLY missed it here. Try it again with Hotel California and Angie. How likely is an entire phrase to match virtually exactly? Anyone who can't hear the rip off there is deaf. They might as well have just used the same words, changing a few every now and again, but not very often.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey John thanks so much for checking out the video. Unfortunately, KZbin doesn't give you do overs. This was one of the 1st videos I ever did. What's faced at the real problem. Is the fact that I ended up editing out all of the examples of the differences melodically between the 2 songs. All you're left with is me inexplicably sitting there with the guitar for no reason l o l. I agree that Angie and hotel California have similarities probably more so than the Tull song either way. I appreciate your thoughts and your time. I hope you have a great evening. Take care and be well. Mark

[@davidwaddington9414]

why are you holding your guitar with G chord in place ?

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey David. LOL. I know, I know. This was one of the first videos I ever did and it was my first topical video. I originally played the songs and did a detailed demonstration of the differences musically. Around the same time a friend of mine who has a successful channel advised me to keep the video under 7 minutes. The original was like 18 minutes. I ended cutting all the music out. I cut a lot of the good content out. Rookie mistakes. I mostly play on my channel. If you're interested, here's very cool video and cover I recently did of LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS COVER AND LESSON kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Please check it out if you have time. If you play, I give away a new 12 string guitar every month on my channel. Either way, have a great day and take care. -Mark

[@richierich9761]

The fact that this is so often discussed proves that for many people the similarities are very strong . Tull wrote this song in 1969 and it was frequently played in live performances some of these sound even closer to Hotel imo . If this happened today then Eagles would certainly be in court as said the reason it hasn’t happened is Ian Anderson is a cool guy

[@jimmayors2315]

Likely, Felder had been to an Eagles concert or two before he joined the band... But, Felder claims to have written the chord progression. I find that difficult to agree with. He might have written a song using a known chord progression, in a different key, and mixing up the tempo, yes. But to claim he wrote the chord progression, well. I think he would have been better received if he took the Ian Anderson view of it himself and not tried to claim it as "his own".

[@8MinuteAxe]

Totally reasonable argument. It's amazing how crazy the nicking songs has gotten in just the last few years since I did this video. At least both songs feature some musicianship. Thanks so much for checking out the video Jim. I appreciate your time and comment. Have a great weekend. Mark

[@jimmayors2315]

@@8MinuteAxe Thanks for the feedback. After posting, I went back to listen to the song, closed my eyes, and heard Hotel California in all of it except for the lyrics. Melody, tempo, intro and outro. Also, heard some familiarity to the song Aqua Lung too, which preceded Hotel California.

[@Nikkyeshiva83]

The melody does sound suspiciously like Moonage Daydream by Bowie. KZbin it...

[@8MinuteAxe]

I'm doing something completely different with today's upload. The video is called Don Henley vs. Rick Beato: KZbin, blockers, and the Battle for Fair Use! I think you'll find the first half of the video REALLY FUNNY! Hidden in the video is a trivia question that can win you a brand new Vangoa 12 String. The video will premiere today at 2pm (less than an hour from NOW!!). I will be doing a live chat from 1:45 until the end of the first play of the video. Here's the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/raLceaV7oNBjbJY I hope you can join me. Either way, I would really appreciate your support with this one. I'm really proud of this video (I think it's my best work) but my topical videos usually struggle. I would really appreciate any help you can lend by watching the video multiple times, liking, and commenting. I want you to know that I appreciate any support and I am incredibly grateful and humbled more and more each week. I can't thank you enough. I really mean it. Have a great weekend!! Mark

[@Nikkyeshiva83]

@@8MinuteAxe sweet and I hope you answer if it makes legal or financial sense for Don Henley to do what he does, claiming he pays all those people to just flag videos all day.

[@Add_Account485]

Regardless of weather George was concious - SUB-concious or " UNCONCIOUS " ..... ... HA HA HA!!. THAT MADE ME LAUGH!.. " UNCONCIOUS? !. "... Yeah he was knocked out!.. under anesthestic?... / Overdosed on drugs / punched out / blacked out UNCONCIOUS from booze or whatever ; when he created it.. Lol.. that was funny..

[@kingofthedots3835]

Some bands demolish a good song idea ....If someone else makes it work, it's becsuse they have more artistic vision ....That's why there have been so many much greater covers throughout History

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey KOTD. Thanks for checking out the video and commenting twice. I really appreciate it. I will be uploading a new video tomorrow (Friday, March 5th) at 2PM called "The SONG THAT MADE THE 12 STRING FAMOUS?". Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZfZioJvpLV4rJY. I will be hosting a live chat starting at 1:45. I honestly think it's the best video I've ever done. I hope you can make the live chat but if not the video will be available as a regular video after the premiere at 2pm. Either way, I'm really hoping this video makes a dent in that confounding KZbin algorithm and I'd appreciate any help you can provide in pushing it along (multiple views, likes, comments, post on your FB page, anything and everything is appreciated). The video includes details regarding this month's Vangoa 12-String Giveaway. I will also be announcing the winner of the Orangewood Travel guitar on the livestream. I REALLY appreciate the support and I hope you and your family have an amazing weekend. Take care and be well. Mark

[@lilaccilla]

I had the Jethro Tull album as a teenager that has We Used To Know on it . I thought it was the best song and listened to it the most . Probably because its in E minor ! i notice I enjoy E minor tunes ... 😂❤ I later loved Hotel California and listened to it also a lot . Later on I read about this thing with Hotel California , and Tull said they toured together with The Eagles and he is not really that upset about it because he says it was most likely unintentional .

[@johnminshull2702]

Man of mystery, by The Shadows, has a very similar chord sequence to hotel california.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey John. Great call. I just listened to that and the Chet Atkins version and you definitely get that melody feel out of it too. At the beginning of the year I started really focusing on getting proficient at Chet Atkins/Tommy Emmanuel fingerstlye. I wish I had an extra 10 years to practice. LOL. Do you play? My channel is primarily focused on the 12 string. Lately I've been doing a lot of classic rock covers on the 12. Here's Strawberry Fields STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER COVER kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqGQe3SjnNZ9i5Y and I my most recent upload is Melissa MELISSA COVER AND LESSON kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKPHlHuDq7B1r8k&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Please check them out if you have time. Either way, thanks for taking the time to watch this one and for the spot on comment. Take care and have a great day! -Mark

[@richardfranklinmorse]

If you could copyright chord progressions, 90% of pop music would be lawsuit material. Every blues song, every 1-6-2-5 from the 50s, every 1-5-6-4 from the last 20 years.

[@Wichitan]

I just listened to 'We Used to Know' for the first time just now. I immediately recognized the similarity of progression between Tull and Eagles, but it was pretty obvious that neither was a copy of the other. I also got a very Tin Pan Alley vibe in certain places, and a Brechtian vibe in others, so I'm wondering if I haven't heard other songs that used that or a similar progression? In my mind, Fogerty was a different circumstance. One that bordered on harassment. Saul Zaentz hounded Fogerty for years, even though Fogerty had signed the rights to all of the songs he'd written under Creedence to Zaentz. Once Fogerty realized how he'd been screwed by Zaentz, he quit writing, performing, and recording for several years. And wouldn't you know that once Fogerty started recording again, there was Zaentz, wanting another payday. I think part of what chapped Zaentz bue-tocks was that, while he was a decent producer, he wasn't a *creator* like John. And he never would be.

[@8MinuteAxe]

What a great comment. I really appreciate the thoughtfulness. You make several excellent points. I've played it for 5 friends and told them what they were supposed to hear and all immediately heard it. I've only done it twice with the no tell and neither got it and that's my one and only reasonable argument. It took 17 years before anybody noticed. And you're right, that cadence predates both of those songs by decades. I'm open to any interpretation, as long as it's done politely. Sometimes people forget there's just another guy just like them on the other end. Take care. Be well . Mark

[@rolandjustice9860]

I always thought HC was more derivative of the Stones’ Angie.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Roland. That's actually a great observation. Melodically, they are similar. I did Angie in my top 10 acoustic intros video and I remember thinking it sounds more like a Jimmy Page riff. This is a rare topical video. Most of my videos have music in them. Check out my cover of Lucy Watch "Beatles 12 String Cover and Lesson: Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo if you have time. Either way, take care and be well. Mark

[@tm1180]

That's why it took Felder over a year to figure out how to restructure it

[@thomasbaillie-carrigan3100]

Your channel is so watchable. Thank you Mark. Do you have any comments re. Harley Benton 12 strings?. I love mine. Really great quality.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey again Thomas. I actually have a Harley Benton Rick knock off in my basket on the Thoman page. It's not in stock for a few weeks still. Everyone tells me they are great for the money but I haven't had the chance to play one yet. Thanks for the recommendation. And thanks again for the positivity. I do appreciate it. -Mark

[@sage1008]

It’s not just the court progression, Even the melody and direction of the guitar solos is similar

[@kaushvaidya7429]

Interesting video! I would have liked to hear some clips of some of the songs in question.

[@8MinuteAxe]

I figured if they're going to take people to court over them, they're not going to let me freely play them on my channel. The original cut of the video was twice the length. The detailed comparison of some of the songs ended up on the cutting room floor. Thanks for watching. Your support has been incredible. Aren't you glad that I at least make videos about something you're interested in! -Marquis

[@MrBoybergs]

Several versions of the Jethro Tull song 'We used to know' on KZbin, both the album (Stand up) version and many live versions. Apparently The Eagles released 'Hotel Calfornia' shortly after supporting Jethro Tull live.

[@mah38900]

I think the claim doesn't hold up. However I feel Ian Anderson has taken some creative liberties borrowing from others. Compare Tull's "Living In The Past" to "Changes" by a band Flaming Youth featuring a young Phil Collins. Or Tull's "My God" to Blood Sweat and Tears arrangement of "God Bless The Child". Both of these cases sound way more similar to my ears than "We Used To Know" and "Hotel California".

[@bishopswoodcrafts]

@@mah38900 I'll have some of what you're drinking - "God Bless The Child" sounds like "My God" ? The only similarity is the word God in the title !!!!!!!!

[@BG-id2cv]

@@mah38900 Only problem is Living In The Past was recorded in March 1969 and released as a single in May 1969, which was 6-8 months prior to the October 1969 release of Flaming Youth's Album Ark 2 that contained Changes. Therefore it's more like Flaming Youth borrowed from Tull regarding Living In The Past, not the other way around.

[@FuturePast2019]

"Don Felder didn't listen to Jethro Tull because he was not a member of Eagles then." And the guitar solo .... kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3algmCin6ufqpY

[@Drewan-q5v]

I find this video hillarious.If you had listened to "We used to know" that many times you would have heard the similarities. Ian Anderson himself believes it is based on Tull's music and has said so. I think it's that he has the respect for the fact "Hotel California" is a truly incredable song that it has not gone any further. Back in the day nobody worried about writing a song that was inspired by another because nothing came of it. I love the fact that Deep Purple are happy to admit that "Child in time" another classic came after listening to "Bombay calling" by It's a beautiful day.

[@RicG.]

If you want to hear about Hotel California you need to skip to 3:55. The first part has nothing to do with Hotel California.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Ric. I really appreciate your comment and I do value your time. I definitely need to start using time stamps in my videos. The funny thing is, this video was all about HC when I made it. At the time I only had a few hundred subs and I was worried about running time being too long. I cut it from about 15 minutes down to its current length and unfortunately I feel I cut a lot of meat out of it. Also, as a small youtuber you end up using the most ridiculous titles sometimes to stand out. It's hard to compete with the big guys on a video titled 'The Most Famous Song Rip Offs' or something of the sort. Recently, I've been doing a lot of classic rock covers. Here's a pretty good one I did of Ventura Highway VENTURA HIGHWAY (AMERICA) kzbin.info/www/bejne/l57Hl4FppcSDars&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. I also cover Boston, lots of Beatles, lots of Zep, etc. In my latest video I'm giving away 3 12 string guitars. It's a fun riff off video. BEST YEAR FOR GUITAR RIFFS kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZXTgH-fgKaHg5o&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. I also have a rule now that I never go more than 90 seconds (usually less than 60) without getting into playing or the main topic. I hope you'll consider giving the channel another view. I think you'll like it. I also do everything 100% for free. I don't do paid endorsements, I don't have ad revenue turned on and I do all of my lessons and tabs for free. Either way, I hope you have a great day and again thanks so much for checking this one out. Take care. -Mark

[@angelthman1659]

Though Felder joined Eagles in '74, he often sat in with them before he joined.

[@dawsonowens1207]

Hmmmm

[@8MinuteAxe]

Are you singing that Crash Test Dummies song?

[@zeedawg499]

For years when this sort of conversation comes up I use Bto's Takin care of business Bad companys Cant get enough and steve millers Jet airliner, They all use the same chords but are articulated in a different way. My opinion Jethro tull's song is not even in the ball park

[@8MinuteAxe]

I couldn't agree with you more. It totally eludes me as well. Hey, check out my latest. I'm giving away a few guitars and there are more coming. BEST YEAR FOR GUITAR RIFFS kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZXTgH-fgKaHg5o&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. Either way, I appreciate your time on this one. All the best. -Mark

[@vincentschuurman7649]

Whether it is or is not in the ball park is not the question. When you listen to the chords progress it is not that obvious, but the main feel (and parts of the solo) are a straight copy. i like Hotel California, but for me it sounds like they stole the defining parts of the song

[@jackflash5659]

@@vincentschuurman7649 , I agree.

[@blakewilliams3702]

Great information and analysis.....my vote is Hotel is an original, not influenced by anything.

[@thisisanno]

Then you need to hear the Tull song in question

[@way2sh0rt07grad]

I don’t get the lawsuits on chord progressions. It’s not that big of a deal compared to a guitar riff. They should just be happy to Rock and Roll and not be part of the algorithm 3 note pop stuff now days lol. Love the content, keep it up 👍

[@8MinuteAxe]

I couldn't agree more. I remember going through the 90s thinking that rock had hit an all time low. Now I realize how rich even that decade was compared to the music coming out these days. The good news is guitar sales are up and more and more young people are discovering classic rock. Maybe things will come full circle. I'm skeptical though. Thanks so much for watching and for the positive feedback. I really do appreciate it. Have a great weekend. -Mark

[@jameskimble6133]

LOOK.....MELODIES (instrumental or vocal) LYRICS, and RECORDING COPYRIGHTS. The chords strummed just don’t matter .... they can’t be mistaken for a melody.

[@mikepfeifer3687]

Don Felder is the real deal. Great musician.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey Mike. For sure. Apparently, one of the big sticking points in the band breaking up was about who was going to sing Victim of Love. I love Felder and he seems like a first rate guy. We all know what a ---- Don Henley is but boy can he sing. Thanks so much for checking it out. I really appreciate it. -Mark

[@mikepfeifer3687]

@@8MinuteAxe Isn’t that the video you asked me to check out a couple times and comment on?

[@johnnybongshow5257]

how come when capo on the twelve string at the seventh fret he's playing the tull chords ?

[@DJFonzi]

Is there a follow up video where you play the G? ;)

[@8MinuteAxe]

LMAO. Called out again. Yeah Fonz, this was one of the first videos that I ever did and the original cut was 20 minutes. The guy that was helping me get the channel going told me that I should never go over 7 minutes in a video until I'm established. Who knows where he got that. LOL. Anyway, I cut out all the damn playing. I didn't realize until I was done that at the end of the day...I'm just a guy inexplicably holding the guitar. My ego took a bit of a hit so I made sure to play some flashy solos in the some of the follow ups. Anyway, I do appreciate you checking it out. For what it's worth, I've only done about ten topical videos ever. Over 95 percent are focused on some aspect of playing. Take care and be well. Mark

[@wburke121]

The first time I heard Hotel California I said to my friends it was the same chord sequence and we used to know by Tull. IT is noticeable but it's a different song.

[@djmitt3807]

What about a Led Zepplin and Spirit on Stairway to Heaven??

[@8MinuteAxe]

For sure. The original video was 15 minutes and included that and others. I was planning on doing a video on Zep, Spirit, and Randy California but the video did really poorly so I put it on ice for now. I'm a huge Spirit fan. 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus is one of my all time favorite albums. Ridiculously consistent for an album that never got any fanfare. Thanks so much for checking out the video and for your comment. I really appreciate your time. Have a great evening and take care. -Mark

[@joshm1660]

Just listened to Rob Van Winkle's "explanation" of Ice Ice Baby. Nah, listen to the song again. They play the straight, unaltered bassline sample for a bar and then they have a remixed version for the second bar, using a stutter effect on one note. He's only being half serious, slyly grinning throughout, he can't ever explain it with a straight face. If they had done the straight original bassline in the truncated form that they selected throughout, it wouldn't have sounded right. It did sound pretty awesome to 16 year old me in 1990, even having been a Queen fan for many years before that.

[@rakshitapadmajitweerakkody8350]

Er...excuse me...and you brought the guitar along for...?🤔

[@8MinuteAxe]

Lol. One of my early vids. I did a deep dive on each song and then...cut it all out. Doh! I listened to a guy who told me new youtubers should never make s video over 7 minutes. So I cut, and cut, and cut...until I'm just a guy sitting there with a guitar...I do appreciate you checking the video out and I totally understand your frustration, disappointment, or if you feel like I wasted your time. Sorry. Mark

[@mell3109]

And at which point were you planning to show us? Why was the guitar out?

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey M ell. I know, I know. This was one of my first videos ever and when I filmed it I actually went through the music for both songs. The original running time was 18 minutes and my buddy convinced me that I shouldn't have any video longer than 7 minutes. So I edited....and edited to the point where I'm just an idiot sitting there with a guitar in his hands talking. Doh! Most of my channel is playing. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check out a newer video. I'm covering the entire Sgt. Pepper album on the 12 string this year. Here's my cover of LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS COVER AND LESSON kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvHh4KgZtyGqJo&ab_channel=8MinuteAxe. The accompanying video is pretty cool too. Also, if you play, I give away a brand new 12 string on my channel every month. Either way, I do appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and I totally understand your frustration with it. Enjoy the rest of your day and take care! -Mark

[@mell3109]

@@8MinuteAxe forgive the rant , I fell into KZbin Idiot mode, I hate aggressive comments and I didn’t mean it to sound mean, I’m a player so very interested in music content. I had just watched Ian talking about this very subject so was interned in seeing the chord pattern. Once again apologies.

[@8MinuteAxe]

Hey brother. No apology necessary. I was sincere in my reply and not being passive aggressive in the least. I'm truly grateful for your time and comment and I didnt find it aggressive. It's funny, another one of my first videos got massive views last month and it was the first time in 1000s of comments that I got serious haters. It boggles my mind what some people say. I never engage as I'm sure it's something going on in their life that's really bothering them. I gotta run. I have lessons all evening but I really do appreciate it. If you play or even if you're just a big fan, join us. Everything on here is free. I dont sell anything. Most importantly, have a great evening!! -Mark