How Bad Is Kratom Really?

Is kratom really as bad as they say? I have used white, green, and red kratom and what is was like with them and if the stigma is real. If you are looking for help www.aa.org and www.na.org are great resources.
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[@kouchuujin]

I've been taking kratom on and off for 10 years. I can go weeks without it with zero withdrawal. However when I do take kratom I only take 2g at a time. Moderation is key.

[@830audio6]

Good for you. Obvi not an addict

[@marcelk.2230]

comment i've been looking for, i'm scared to get addicted but i do 3/4 of a tea spoon 2/3 times a day, and always forget some of these people are taking 10g in one go 4 times a day

[@magichobbiest3425]

Same here and I don't take it everyday. When I saw people take 10 to 40 my jaw dropped

[@830audio6]

@@magichobbiest3425 Just took 24 grams and dont feel much at all. Be careful. Seriously.

[@drek9k2]

I used to take fuckloads for weeks or months on end, and be fine, and that gave me exactly that dangerous as fuck view you do, that I can take some and be fine. Yeah 2g is fine. Yeah taking some here and there is fine. The problem is it makes you arrogant enough to believe you can use it for six months at heavier doses and you just stop keeping track of it until you're in so deep, you realize partway into work you're starting to get sweats, chills, anxiety. The big thing with kratom addiction though you're psyching yourself out basically expect hot and cold flashes, any pain you'd been masking like back pain comes back, and then some nausea, headache, the shits, restless legs, and tense muscles. You may be the unlucky one who gets addicted to this in like 6 weeks. You may be like me who takes like 8 grams a day for a couple months, stops, feels nothing, and arrogantly assumes it must be that light. This isn't true. Nothing is for free. The longer you keep hitting up that bar tab man your body's gonna come to collect sooner or later, it'll probably be when you least expect it and have went literally months just being too distracted by life to realize how much you're really taking for how long at that point you're hooked. For me, because I had multiple other ongoing addictions I wanted to stop I put kratom on the backburner because who the fuck cares quite frankly when I am targeting and eliminating nicotine, which I did successfully. I had to stay fucking sober, which sucked, seriously do you have any idea how damn much it sucks to be the one sober guy, not have kids, and not be able to go to the fucking bar? And I can't, even if I was on Deen I can't just be with other Muslims anyway because it's not my culture, I can't deal with living in the West because for me it feels like if I was a heroin junkie and everyone around me is chipping and I'm in recovery. And its expected of you to take a bump of H along with the others and pretend to be normal. So you wind up exlcuded but anyway so all that sucked and this just kept bulding and building for years on end as I eliminated bad habits and medications until it got down to the kratom and by the time the "easy" one was left it was a big problem. I was hoping an easy and fast way to do this which backfired so tremendously I now have another problem, I did quit the kratom at least, now I'm stuck with something worse. So. Word of caution. Don't expect to be using this stuff every day. Do ANYTHING like that, I am deadly serious you treat anything the way you do a pack a day smoking habit, it's going to become like a smokking habit, it's going to get hard to stop like one.

[@soundofperserverance3363]

drinking kratom right now

[@_Adjei_]

Which one? And how did it make you feel?

[@soundofperserverance3363]

@@_Adjei_ Red Bali Dragon its ok doesnt do too much for me anymore. Been using it for years. It helped me get off of heroin and meth. But the effects used to give me euphoria and felt also like a mild sedative. I'm going to try to find another reputable vendor I could be getting shitty quality.

[@BlackBeauty1988]

I take the opms extract shot (Black)(it’s stronger imo)& it hit hard like a 10mg Lora tab or if you have no tolerance it’ll hit like a perc… but if you never tried it start with powder because it is easy to build up a tolerance but everyone is different powder didn’t work for me (btw I was addicted to percs)

[@iamatlantis1]

Same.

[@morganophelia5963]

@@BlackBeauty1988 I don't believe you I've NEVER gotten "high' on kratom it's not supposed to get you get you high to begin with

[@bjolly8924]

I can't believe this is not a controlled substance. I am on my third week of freedom after a 2-year addiction. The withdrawals are no joke.

[@lovetodaylisa3967]

diet pepsi can be a real addiction. Im not even kidding

[@hahaaxd4041]

Red vein kratom makes me extremely comfortable and relaxed even at low to common doses. I only use it after a stressful day at work to unwind and enjoy the few hours I have left before my next day because I'm always in my head and I don't want to become dependent on anything. I think I would definitely get dependent if I would start using it as a crutch for anxiety, but unlike benzodiazepines I don't really feel the urge to abuse it, it also loses it's effectiveness quite rapidly for me when used frequently, I don't do it every day.

[@tylersays-]

Moderation is key with anything ... you can use anything once every few days and never withdrawal off of it... it's us addicts that chase the high until it's too late and we're dependent on it.

[@crowcaine1]

As a recovering opiate addict, I never got the kratom thing. I tried it to help my withdrawals and it never did anything for me at all. Taste's absolutely awful too! I had to go cold turkey with everything, it was the only way for me. All or nothing.

[@EricBZink]

Props to you!!!

[@seekingfreedom9020]

How many grams did you take when you were taking it for opiate withdrawal? Depending on the dose of opiate you are withdrawing from you might have to take a lot of grams to get relief. Same thing with vitamin c.

[@TheTexan99]

@@seekingfreedom9020your right I was taking 4-5 Vicodins a day I stared of at 5 grams of red maeng da

[@holmavik6756]

Interesting. Kratom helped me to finally kick opiates, and I really enjoy the taste

[@Silverado1234]

If you don't mind me asking what were you going cold turkey on?

[@israelboxer2300]

I quit Kratom after 5years. It’s not worth starting. Quitting was tougher than ever, and the anxiety attacks (never had these before) almost certainly sent me over the edge. I think I struggled with psychosis a bit too. I’m clean now, and still struggling with light cravings, but I can’t ever go back. I think it could be damaging to anyone not fully developed.

[@tylersays-]

You're above that junk .. never look back, because you're worth it. ❤

[@whitneyw.7919]

I know exactly what you’re saying this stuff is such a trick honestly, I think sent from the devil. I bought a bag thinking I was drinking a cup of coffee, it helped ease the boredom of the pandemic. Four years later, my worst decision ever was picking it up. Once you’re an addict it’s also much easier to get addicted to other things too. I’m not exactly sure why that is but I’ve definitely noticed that.

[@tylersays-]

@@whitneyw.7919 are you still stuck on it?

[@smithwesson6620]

😁💪🙏🤝💯 🏁

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

Imo Kratom is definitely worth using but only when needed. A few times a month for some extra energy for yard work, to be social when you ain’t feeling it, when your chronic pain is hitting too hard. After using daily for a few years and getting up to almost 20g a day I now use once a week or less and it’s magical again. For me I just had to learn discipline with substances and they became enjoyable again without hindering my life or being in control of me. If you are using something daily it’s in control, no matter what ya tell yourself.

[@noodlemaker4719]

When you start using the extracts and shots it takes kratom addiction to a new level.

[@russellstevens1053]

I dunno that was the first thing I really tried. But after watching and hearing things I am making sure my body cleanses itself by going a few weeks without it. No withdrawals. But only a few months of semi- consistent kratom use.

[@youngheero]

I drank a whole bottle of the shots and it didn't do anything to me I was so mad and it tastes horrible

[@lawrence6115]

I agree, I’ve been doing 1-3 shots a day of the opms black or mit45 for atleast 2 months now and it’s gotten out of control. I can’t believe how much it has a hold of me

[@t-thang5833]

It’s like being addicted to opioids frfr I’m battling right now and it’s affecting me mentally I gotta share this monkey off my back asap

[@EdmundSampson-pd7vi]

​@@t-thang5833what the hell does it feel like?? Some people are saying nothing, what gives you the urges to have it again

[@Strings-jg2to]

Been taking kratom for about 10 yrs. I quit twice so I experienced withdraws but not bedridden. The biggest thing was lethargy and sleep disturbance. It lasts for about a week. Kratom is addictive obviously but it really helps ween of harder opiates. It has saved so many lives.

[@kleindavis550]

its nothing like Pain killers or heroin and it can a good thing if used correctly!

[@Strings-jg2to]

@@kleindavis550 yes sir

[@legit-winz2057]

As someone who takes oxy/fent pressed pills would you recommend i get started on Kratom?

[@kalliaslands9938]

@@legit-winz2057kratom is much safer than any opioid bc of its low ability to cause respiratory depression. It won’t be as strong as oxycodone but it is orders of magnitudes safer. Obviously not ideal health wise but being addicted to kratom is much more manageable and will not kill you like Rx/street drugs can

[@johninflorida8634]

Its the lesser of three evils. @@legit-winz2057

[@Brandon-bj8zo]

I’m 15 and I got so addicted to kratom I was doing such high doses I’m currently in recovery from what’s called drug induced hepatitis. It poisoned my liver to the point where it physically wouldn’t work right. 0/10 def not gonna do it again

[@landenschlink754]

bro how much were you taking?

[@natalienelson8681]

I’m so sorry.

[@caelonmiller1957]

What type kratom was u using? Shots?

[@Sbreslin59-js2zz]

At only 15 honestly pretty bad man. Not going to sugar coat it. I smoked weed for the first time at 15 and that seems very young to me now, 26 and totally addicted. Thank God I didn’t really start messing with kratom and, even more so, coke, until I got well into my 20’s.

[@walkingnote1090]

Trying my hardest not to go buy some as we speak

[@doctormango9209]

did you make it?

[@walkingnote1090]

​@@doctormango9209no

[@vrsimulo1234]

😂

[@vrsimulo1234]

We lost him

[@seantaywest]

Let go shits goanna hurt. But you gota do it , go the doctors they give seboxin

[@seekingfreedom9020]

I used to be addicted to cigarettes and I smoked quite a bit back in the day, but one day I realized I absolutely hated the taste and smell and I haven't craved it since, it was crazy one day just the thought of it disgusted me and I help me stop right away

[@Good_at_clips]

It is super addictive. I was addicted to it for 3 years. It can help for people getting off opioids. Anyway, I detoxed for 20 days. It was terrible. It was I between getting off heroin and methadone which I have come off both.

[@kratombutterfly9959]

It's allowed me to cut out all pharma from my life, a long, long list. My drs are actually very happy. I only have vaping left, quit cigs 3 yrs ago and no longer need benzos with thc as well. Now im cutting down the nicotine until its 0 then quitting that too.

[@kylelozensky5601]

I wish I could get of kratom but haven’t found the power to do it yet. Anyways it’s so much better then all the pills and stimulants I’ve taken

[@kylelozensky5601]

Off*

[@EricBZink]

It’s legit a struggle and definitely understand! Believe in you!

[@retroo445]

I'm addicted to kratom and I love it. I don't really care about being dependent on kratom. It helps me so much with depression. I've been taking kratom for almost one year, and even though I get a little happy from it, it still relaxes me so much. And omg I lied, kratom still makes me happy everyday. We're all different, and I guess I'm one of those lucky people who get affected by kratom each dose! :)

[@Ericxnugz]

Life really sucks sometimes and kratom isn’t bad.. as long as you don’t take over 15 grams every day I haven’t had any bad affects from it.. if not I’m more active and in better shape than ever..

[@MsSylvia45]

I’ve taken it every day for the past seven years. I do detox my liver often. At 57 never sick. Perfect health. No plans on quitting. Especially with wintertime blues coming ❤

[@Ericxnugz]

@@MsSylvia45 what are wintertime blues

[@Sultan.of.swing79]

@@MsSylvia45curious to how you detox your liver? I’m sure mine can use it lol.

[@tylersays-]

Wow you are in the early stages of an ugly disease.. the fact that you say your happy you're addicted to it is not good. Good luck on your journey.

[@CreatorsExpress]

As addicts we will abuse anything. It helps, it hurts. At one point I was up to 120 grams per day. I’m at half that now. Working on my taper so I can take one drink in the am and one in the pm then I’m hopping off. We use Kratom for energy, better thoughts, more intelligence, etc. Withdrawal for me is a big mental game and the pain sucks. Please use it responsibly. I’d like to go to a doctor or patient first to get help getting off of it. I went to rehab, there was a guy there for kratom. So yes it can destroy our lives. It’s tricky. But we will abuse anything!

[@tylersays-]

Doc will give you meds to detox at home ... and kava is a huge help too... and if you're trying to taper .. the kava stretches the doses out for hours longer... and there's no withdrawal from kava

[@CreatorsExpress]

@@tylersays- my name is Tyler too lol ok bro thanks for the advice.

[@kratombutterfly9959]

Plain, tested crushed leaf is the best to help wean down from extracts. Imo extract shots shouldn't be used by anyone just starting to drink the tea, if they are uninformed they xfer addictions, and blame the plant 😢 I also think that some jump on it for withdrawals from stronger things, then stop and are still having effects from past addictions, again blaming the plant. I drink it approximately 6x a day, 6-7 grams, has stayed the same for 7 years, as far as art. I have upped the times of day as my adhesions got worse. The biggest issue I think is the fear of jail, Shaina Brown has been in jail since April in Alabama, facing life and Marshall Price was unalived after getting ten years. No one deserves that. We need to be responsible, and to have the kcpa in each state keeping it safe and legal 😊

[@AcidGubba]

@@tylersays- Everything that has an effect and to which the body becomes accustomed causes withdrawal symptoms. Personally, I find the physical ones less troublesome than the mental ones.

[@tylersays-]

@@AcidGubba not kava .. there was nothing. It has a unique reverse tolerance effect.

[@temporaryscars]

I take it once or twice a week at most. I don't feel like I'm addicted to it, but I've decided to give it up. Better safe than sorry.

[@tylersays-]

I can assure you that was a great decision on your part.

[@Seditionzz]

I quit 3 times and the third time now is hard to stop . I’m taking it bc of work , I deliver packages at Amazon and the job sucks . But with Kratom it’s doable

[@Stinky_sack]

Same. The ONLY reason was to get through work because I work in a trade

[@Seditionzz]

@@Stinky_sack yeah man and it sucks bc I got used to taking it and helped with my mood towards the job 😅 not having it seem like work was hell

[@wattsnottaken1]

⁠@@Stinky_sack I also use Kratom to get through the workday. I have to use it otherwise I get overwhelmed by the stress of the job.

[@bentonja668]

I've never been addicted to any drugs other than alcohol (I no longer drink). I would never recommend Kratom to anyone other than opiate addicts. Kratom is probably great if a person can keep from doing it every day. What I found doing it every day is that the doses always skyrocket and tapering off and then quitting sucks. Also the intense constipation (never did the extracts and the powder is literally ground up leaves).

[@stevesteve3940]

When I went CT, I started watching your videos. Your videos really helped me through my quitting journey. My physical WD lasted like 5 days but the mental withdrawals were a constant battle. I think during sleep time makes quitting Kratom absolutely intolerable but I just kept through it. Kratom acted as an opiate, stim, and a benzo for me. Been taking it for 6 years with 40gpd. Thanks man

[@smithwesson6620]

Hey there! R U still off Kratom ? Did u take anything to ease the symptoms??

[@joselicon2630]

Everyone must be different, I did kratom for over a year, just stopped one day and didn't have not 1 withdrawal symptom, only thing I noticed is I'd get hot while sleeping but no I'll feeling or cold sweats, kinda like when you body gets hot from drinking but that wasn't even bad to be honest just a little hot. I guess I'm lucky?

[@bobbobertson6249]

I took it for ten years No addiction at all

[@daneslayer2269]

I was training for a fight when I completely tore my left pectoral muscle 💪 in my chest. I was in excruciating 😣 pain, couldn’t lift arm off of side, couldn’t lay on back & sleep, couldn’t use my arm whatsoever. I couldn’t use opiates because of drug tests so I tried Kratom. After a few weeks, noticed had to drastically increase dosage to get anything from it. Overall, it’s not that great, not worth the $ & stick to Tylenol & Advil.

[@Soleprofit559]

I’m working out on Kratom right now . I prefer cocaine but can’t get my hands on it at the moment

[@adamarmstrong9408]

I take no more than 8 grams a day, its helped me so much for my anxiety!

[@davedave9020]

I take less than 4 grams per day in the morning, no weekends, and never on vacations. I use it as a pre workout, and for focus when I play music. It’s been 2 years. My opinion is that if use in moderation, and take constant breaks and days off every week, you will be fine. That being said, I don’t use it for pain, anxiety, etc so I have that option, and i realize many people don’t. Id you take it every day…..that could be a problem, especially at high doses

[@gives_bad_advice]

if you keep it under 4 gpd and not every day, then you might be fine.

[@garrettfaught5136]

You might be on to something. Addiction in my experience is trying to get away from those bad feelings, so people who use it to self medicate may be more at risk of addicition than people who are using it as a tool to move in a certain direction.

[@Messizosii.i3]

Having a weird problem with it. I'm taking capsules almost daily and Im starting to have mild withdrawal and - I will take 5 capsules. Feel nothing. 5 more. Still nothing. Then BAM I'm way too high on it and feel like crap. It's annoying I'm just gonna quit

[@fentanylanonymous]

So glad I quit that nasty green crap. Got pretty hooked/dependent on it also.

[@Busybryan]

Yes me also! It sucks ass! I had to go to rehab for this green crap. Better to get clean off of it. It ruins lives.

[@fentanylanonymous]

@@Busybryan yeah more and more I hear people going to rehab for kratom and getting put on subs. I’m so glad I quit and realized how trash that stuff is. Such a scam how they label it organic 😂 nothin organic about that trash. Glad you got off of it.

[@Jon-wf3tg]

Amazing how similar our lives are

[@drubertoe3423]

I loved it when I got off meth but after using it for 1 year I was full blown addicted just like I was with heroin. But if you are not an addict this shit could be gold.

[@tylersays-]

Preach brother preach.

[@ZachParks21]

As a pain relief, woud it be safe to use like Motrin level? Also, how much would thay be, like 25mg?

[@HomoSapien-z5q]

I have done kratom as a means of self medication for my ptsd. I have adhd and have been on amphetamine for it, the green/white blend I used reminded me a bit of that. I only used the red a few times. I got a lot of side effects and threw it up a lot so it kratom never became a habit for me I was lucky to not get addicted and I absolutley think kratom should be treated with respect

[@dougbudlong620]

Some always manage to turn a good thing - bad. Like this option you are going to want to have. Respect your options and keep them. Seriously. But who can resist more bad news, trouble and fear? Go make some kind of good news instead. Kratom serves beautifully - have a good reason. Not aimless to "try". Don't take dosing advice. With herbs you start too low (1 gram start) and work up an hr later if needed. Caps - meh, no, . Extracts - NO! not until you know why not. Attentive, intentional, competent and grateful. Never force w/ excess, let it be better than what is possible when it happens and then go solve your other problems.

[@banaresali]

get addicted to life!! screw everything

[@Cinnamoroll-kn6eg]

I was addicted to kratom for 7 years and I have been off for 2 years now and my stomach is not the same anymore I have lost over a 100 pounds and been having stomach pains and nausea all the time. I would wake up feeling like I’m going to throw up. I had to get on suboxon to get off kratom. And even after two years I am still dealing with stomach issues. I believe that I got a bad batch of kratom. And it is what causes my stomach issues. I believe after 7 years of drinking plant matter it got stuck in my intestines and caused mold in my gut. Kratom turns sluggish when sitting in your stomach and can become hard and it can get stuck in your intestines and cause mold and cause toxins to be released in your bloodstream and I strongly believe that’s why my stomach has been hurting even after 2 years of quitting

[@27nicholi]

It is super addictive Your description is very accurate It is hella crave y Watch out people.. real deal withdrawal I don’t understand how anyone would do coke ever . That’s a loser drug… Kratom is Fawking groovy

[@__iconoclast7744]

I'm addicted and unsure how to get off it.

[@TheArcadian_300]

Ive been taking 30-60g daily gold bali kratom for 3 years straight. Ive been clean for 72 hours. The physical symptoms are manageable; feeling slightly under the weather. But im pretty depressed and anxious. FYI a glass of wine or two helps you sleep through some withdrawal symptoms.

[@amydavis4945]

I have very chronic pain due to osteoarthritis in my neck, that is now beginning to creep down my spine. I'm addicted to cigarettes (hopelessly addicted). I've smoked marijuana and even had a medical card (now expired). In my younger days I did various illegal drugs - never got addicted to any of them. But now I'm trying to decide if Kratom is right for me. I've never tried it and I have to admit what I'm reading and seeing about it is a little scary. I don't need to get addicted to an oppioid. I could get pain killers like that from my doctor because my X-rays are bad enough that I could get pretty much anything I wanted from a doctor. But I don't want, and haven't wanted, anything that I'm going to get addicted to. So now I'm thinking maybe I need to try CBD/THC or something. Med marijuana is fine except that I have COPD and don't want to smoke it, I have dental problems so can't use gummies right now, and vaping it tastes like crap. So I'm just not really sure what I can do to relieve my constant pain, unable to sleep, and just general mind-fuckery. I just don't know if Kratom is something I need to get mixed up with.... some say it's highly addictive, some say it's not. I don't know who to believe.

[@bobbobertson6249]

Saying your addicted is a cop out It's a decision I've been taking kratom to treat pain for ten years. Quit for a couple weeks without any issues whatsoever

[@shinji-kaneda7911]

I was highly addicted 2 it 4 years Now i'm pretty happy being sober 🙏🏾

[@tylersays-]

Good for you ... I'm a little over 2 months off now and I feel pretty good too. The best part is not having to plan your next dose ... shits a prison.

[@shinji-kaneda7911]

@@tylersays- yeah At the end It was like a curse Ya whole day circles around your next hit No freedom @all

[@SkyshifterBass]

I didn’t realize I was addicted to it until I hopped on a plane to visit my parents and started withdrawing hard on the flight. Took another year to get off. I lost interest in passions I had before I got hooked and my libido was gone, effecting my marriage. Also I lost weight and I’m a skinny dude naturally. It always starts out with positive effects but with the quick tolerance rise it always got out of hand.

[@Sbreslin59-js2zz]

Dude too funny that I search up kratom addiction and your video is the first that comes up, lately my drug of choice has been speed balling coke and kratom (and weed) which is not typical I know. I’ve been doing ALOT less cocaine recently and have a lot less desire to do it often, but now my mind has been craving this kratom stuff more often and it’s definitely more addictive then people realize, not something you should drink every day to say the least. Currently facing the fact that, oh ok I’m gonna kind of feel like shit for a day or a few days because I’ve been taking this, but I can’t just take more to feel better.

[@americancommunist7633]

Been taking kratom on and off for years. I can say it is extremely addictive. But the withdrawals at low doses are not bad, usually I just mitigate it with a couple ibuprofen for like 2-3 days. But if you’re taking over 10-20 grams each dose then you’re in for a serious withdrawal. I’ve withdrawn like 2 times and the worst was diarrhea and runny nose and muscle aches.

[@Oldndazed]

Were you using Kratom and cocaine at the same time? Or did you give up the booze and coke? Then hear about Kratom later on?

[@EricBZink]

No I did kratom way after cocaine and drinking. I had talked to my psychiatrist about it. We trial and errored it for about three months to see if it would help more than ssri’s for me

[@Oldndazed]

Hey hope you’re doing well :) We still here still sober and trying

[@Damienmizerak]

people need to realize, it’s not even the amount it’s the lifestyle. If your taking shots and pills as soon as you wake up cause your dope sick, then, well, unfortunately you have some shit days coming down. I mean I actually hit my peak RIGHT as I was going to bed, as in my last dose but I dosed it too close, had such a fuckin migraine from it, but that only happens from consistently dosing it or too much or both really, so I wake up and it’s gone now, but I’ll take it very light today to get similar effects because Kratom doesn’t build up it’s not like a Xanax where it’s half life is 8 hours then boop its out of you completely so sure it’s short but most people aren’t having to redose at the 3 hour peak they suggest to split doses by.

[@swere1240]

it killed one of my good friends with liver toxicity. he did have a bad drinking problem for a long time too but he died at 30 from liver and kidney failure. he ate it almost everyday for acouple years up until he diede

[@sarpsays]

Was he drinking during the time he was taking kratom?

[@christophersims6836]

Kratom put me in the er. Had to be intubated and put on life support.

[@kratombutterfly9959]

Im dependant on kratom to control my pain. I have ic, fibro, abdominal adhesions and kidnay stones. Nothing else helped my pain, and allowed me to function. There is no high, just relief. I control my ptsd and anxiety as well, with therapy. Im glad i have a plant, a leaf and water that I have available, and wont kill me. I think a lot of people just switch addictions. They find the tea, and dont do the work on themselves. Ive never craved anything except to not hurt anymore. It lets me press pause on my pain and work on other issues. Thanks for letting me shsre my experience, its been 7 years of freedom, i wish I'd found before I had surgeries. I think all new people to kratom should stay away from extracts unless they do their research first. The plain crushed lead tea works wonders.

[@swere1240]

it killed my friend at the age of 30 by liver toxicity. his liver failed and his kidneys. 30 year olds dont just have there livers and kidneys fail without a cause.

[@kratombutterfly9959]

@swere1240 there are a lot of factors, was it extracts? Tested? Tested is the key, plain crushed leaf kratom and water doesn't harm the body except some constipation. The American Kratom Association offers all kratom death families a full autopsy they will pay for at an accredited lab, no family has accepted. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. People are dying from something, it's not kratom and the families deserve to know that. ❤️

[@pete6705]

For me kratom has been extremely addictive, I’m probably one of the biggest kratom addicts in the country. I did quit once for 5 months, and the withdrawals made it probably the worst 5 months of my life. But I’m completely back on it now. I would never recommend kratom to anyone, because I wouldn’t want to be responsible for getting someone addicted. I do enjoy kratom, but I know I’ll probably have to quit again some day, and it will be horrible

[@michaelrotherham5159]

Right i have taken 30 to 50 grams a day of remarkable green md since 2014 quit for 3 months in like 2017 now back on it but im getting off it i will be in withdrawal for a month

[@Busybryan]

Hey man I'm with you on being the biggest addict to kratom. I would take so much during the day, I was puking my guts out so much because I was taking so much. And the withdrawals were terrible! Thank god I figured it out and got off that green crap

[@fentanylanonymous]

@@Busybryan see I never got withdrawals from it. Just a little mentally depressed and felt off but never did I feel like I was dopesick. Kratom affects all of us so differently. Some people like me say it wasn’t bad and some people say it was the worst withdrawal ever.

[@johnCjr4671]

In my early 60’s looking for a non toxic non addictive pain management supplement ?

[@Kazwell111]

You sound like you react differently due to your ADHD and other issues. I take red and feel lethargic and white gets me manic. You are correct it affects people in different ways, I heard people say they don't feel it at all, around 7 grams for instance. Maybe if they took more, but they weren't interested and I understand that. I like the green, nice pain relief and energy, helps me with social anxiety and concentration, especially at work. It is definitely addictive, to me yes. but I am also addicted to caffeine. I use both because I don't see a reason to quit right now.

[@iamatlantis1]

Caffeine is a great potentiator to up the "high" a bit.

[@swere1240]

its really bad for your liver in high dosages for exstended periods of time. it killed me friend and he was only 30

[@dougbudlong620]

Big differences in quality or so I hear. Dose level changes effects too. Some say they need these high doses but that 7g was very likely Far overkill - not under unless it was very very mild kratom. (I heard retail stores oft sell weak kratom if it's not extract ?? sure it varies) But ppl respond different so should start too low, doing it themselves (1g qual. kratom, for real & add half or another g. at the next hour if not enough.) So they have control and won't overshoot it - which is an antidote for itself basically, ..or otherwise feel nasty.

[@drawincode1800]

Im from the uk kratom is illegal which is a piss take had all 3 strains in America and honestly it was nothing hardly got me high

[@Silverado1234]

I think you're cool man. Not that it would matter. I disagree on 2 things. 1)stim addicts always cheat. Been one and know dozens who never will. And 2) Drug of choice. Me and my best friend have been oxy addicts (heroin followed) coke in a big way but nowhwre near the amounts as you but snorted and smoked. And Rivitoril and xanax. Alcohol too. Basically every drug. Except speed. It's just nasty

[@GirlCOsk8er]

the kratom community hates negative banter on the drug. its like weed heads. ive had terrible withdrawals on kratom and i think it permanetly changed my brain chemistry

[@Fuzxguys]

I’ve always seen it and was too scared to try it as it just didn’t look safe I mean weed isn’t either but it’s less likely to make me feel like I’m going to die (unless I smoked a huge amount like enough to kill a baby elephant)

[@kalliaslands9938]

For both its really just bc of the threat of prohibition. The problem is that a nuanced take gives drug warriors a lot of room to demand “think of the children” and get it banned. Nobody for instance argues that much about the dangers of alcohol bc nobody is trying to ban it. It would be much better to have an open nuanced conversation but sadly this is just how politics goes

[@sukaenacornelius9285]

I was addicted to it. I was buying 500mg gummies with 50mg a piece. I started going through one thing a day. Probably for a year spending 40$ a day atleast. Took me a week to get over. After that I was completely fine though. But Jesus Christ the 2nd day of withdrawal, seconds felt like hours I tell you. That pain made me realize it wasn’t worth it. I can’t even explain it, its like being sick but the worse depression and lethargy. Those 5 days felt like eternity.

[@KianFloppa]

"permanent" bro is overreacting

[@matthewbucher8227]

Fuck yeah it did! GUITAR SOLOOO

[@jeremyfrancois9101]

For me if I took to much kratom would have rage problems especially with the white kratom I found I couldn’t get high off it but it does help with getting off pain pills

[@EricBZink]

It’s definitely different for everyone

[@lesjones5684]

Go to rehab then 😂😂😂

[@vrsimulo1234]

Kratom is healthy

[@back2roots779]

Fake news

[@jrd3675]

Kratom withdrawal is hell. Absolute hell.

[@michaelm3505]

And yeah not gonna lie, the red strain wds were as bad as heroin wds

[@Rydoxx]

I’m on suboxine right know and have been for 7 years. I’ve been having so much knee pain (long list of surgeries )but nothing is working. Once a Dr sees sub on my file they won’t prescribe anything besides Advil. I’m tired of it. Do you think Kratom would work for me? I know to stop the suboxine first .

[@natalienelson8681]

100% gum spirits heals almost anything. Amazon. Do some research. Godspeed

[@piranhaeatspanda]

I'm currently on 130mg of methadone but want to get off. I've detoxed from it before and it's not fun so I'm wondering if taking kratom will keep me from withdrawal from the methadone and if so how much should I take and how often. I've asked this question on other videos by other people but never get an answer just people telling me to not do drugs in the first place and I wouldn't be in this position but obviously it's too late for that. I've been using heroin and fentanyl for close to 20 years but have been clean for 14 months now I want to get off the methadone so any help would be great. Thank you

[@serious_philosopheegeez2294]

Buy some and try it. You'll know in about 15 mins if it is for you. Start small; 2-3 grams. Green thai is popular. Space it out, but don't spike it too high or you'll be chasing 'a high.' Use it medicinally. Don't look for a high; look for relief, and convince yourself that a small amount is the proper dose.

[@piranhaeatspanda]

@@serious_philosopheegeez2294 thank you. I'm not looking for a high from it I want to not feel withdrawal from methadone so I'll take your advice. Thank you

[@johninflorida8634]

I doubt it would hold you as its no comparison what you're doing. God bless and good luck.

[@piranhaeatspanda]

@@johninflorida8634 thanks

[@Beans-great]

You’ve got nothing to lose man. Best of luck. I’ve been using kr8tom for 5 years and the only thing that worries me is making sure the source is legit.

[@stonecoal28]

I've never tried it i still want to

[@EricBZink]

Not worth believe me

[@johninflorida8634]

Save yourself some memory.

[@seekingfreedom9020]

Love you videos man, i just binged watched all day Saturday lol. Good speaker too

[@EricBZink]

All the love!!!

[@Hbm1923]

You should only take kratom to get off of stronger opioids. Other than that it’s just addiction waiting to happen.

[@SELASSIEDAY]

raw opium heroin morphine kratom.. all the same.. them cover opiates receptors still.. the only difference is the long or short emivita and power of effect.. still u will withdrawlin badly from them in same way.. n more.. Raw opium contain lot of diff opiates and each one with different emivita and different times flush out withdrawal.. very long withdrawal .. kratom is same ... seem mild but NOT! Topic is deep long and arduous. i Wish serenity for All.

[@johninflorida8634]

Its all bad but not equal at all.

[@torreypovich8023]

Kratom is so weak to me so I have no idea how ppl even do it… greens do give me a lil energy but once I eat it’s over. Reds were a big disappointed.. But then again ive mainly bought it out of gas stations and smoke shops

[@urbzNspicez]

Definitely order it online, the gas station shit is olddd and wayy dried out, probably came over on a barge that traveled for 9 months. Online is fresh and you can see ratings of various products, plus you get free stuff/reward points from a lot of online stores

[@4paapii]

I believe you have to build up reverse tolerance (sensitization) to really enjoy the effects. At least it's like that for me.

[@thomask7441]

Thats for the better man, you really don't want to be hooked on this crap

[@830audio6]

7-OH type shii

[@MikeHunt90731]

Not nearly as Addictive as true Opiates since Kratom is a partial Agonist and use responsibly

[@JayJone5169]

I have sum green maeng da kraton capsules, i can only take 2 at a time because it gets me really shaky and wierd filling unless i take it with a delta 8 50 mg to 100 mg, red kratom is calming, green is like a speed drug, everybody cant handle to green or white!

[@rickyspanish9625]

Kratom is my drug of choice. I keep looking but I can’t find any compelling reason to quit. I just hear “kratom bad” but with no like actual startling effects.

[@cassandragillmer-embree5733]

I hate that in all my research I can’t find anything if I can take something else along with kratom. For example I have such a hard time sleeping (2weeka free of opioids) I tend to take an Ativan or melatonin at night. Can you still do this while on kratom?

[@stevenboddy4232]

Its so good, ive been doing it for 5 years, ruined my gut biome, ruined my stomach, lining, colon, lost weight. If you use it once or twice a week, it's fine. Every day at an ounce or more, lmao 😂😂😂

[@KileLap]

The best advice I can give to you and everyone that is watching is that everything needs to be in moderation no matter what the substance is.

[@sergioe77]

If you cut your doses in half week after week you will be able to stop without any withdrawal symptoms. Why anyone would quit cold turkey blows my mind...

[@love1sky]

I use it instead of pain management. It's for chronic pain for me . I'd rather use KRATOM than pills ❤ Been 6 yrs still using it and my lab work is perfect ❤

[@yoloparrot42]

Yeah man. I'm super pro kratom but personally I was addicted for 3 years and had terrible withdrawals. Never again, but it's a super important plant for a lot of people

[@homebuildersllcdesignbuild3664]

Respect the fact that no matter what it's abusing your opiod receptors. Daily use will lead to taking more to achieve the same effect. That is what leads to addiction. Another possible side effect with daily use and high doses is depression or psychosis. It can really effect your mood after a while of taking it. That being said moderate use, if you can keep it moderate, is completely fine. Too much of anything is bad, everything in moderation

[@BostonMike68]

They have the strong opm extract and it's really strong and I got hooked on it, but they came out with a new stronger extract and I drank one and my friend had to carry me out of a laundry mat , I was shaking and puking and I used hard drugs and nothing messed me so bad in my life and I bought it legally in a store

[@whitneyw.7919]

And also keep in mind that there’s a lot of people who are benefits from heroin so don’t think that because there’s benefits it really means anything. Even the worst drugs on the planet people have benefits from.

[@billlumbergh9251]

I felt that the red is harder on my stomach . I switched over to white. Also am I the only one that gets gas from kratom? I've been farting a lot. I know it's from the kratom. Doesn't sound bad, but when you are at work and every 20min you have to rip ass , it's a pain. Bubble guts and gas lol.

[@hearanecho]

I did kratom and felt nothing i went back to kava

[@forestduffe5576]

Kratom helps me through my nighttime job! Thank you kratom 😊

[@stacyh8293]

Just got out of the ER from a kratom overdose thought I was going to die

[@RealShinpin]

kratom is greattttttt I tried nicotine, never could get addicted.

[@aaronhobart7826]

I love kratom; it is illegal where i reside so I have to drive an hour just to get it.

[@ch0tiic]

Omw to buy some right now thanks

[@DavidChamberlain-w1p]

Kratom does not seem to have the “phenomenon of craving” like alcohol, where you want to drink more and more once you start.

[@MrBrooksWimberly]

If you’re an addict it absolutely does

[@me_random_person]

I tried kratom today it didn't do shit

[@davidelder3370]

Where u get Kratom never heard or it

[@captainkapalot9644]

I seen them a lot in smoke shops

[@vrsimulo1234]

Online

[@73kristilee]

What the hell is Kratom?

[@fragle3676]

Xanax - weed. Hydrocodone - kratom just plant version of shit

[@abyss1138]

Xanax and weed could not be more different

[@christinageha-sf2zg]

What’s your thoughts of coke in water?

[@labcoat_0]

Cocaine has very low oral bioavailability wouldn't do it

[@Seabass1206]

wtf u talking bout bro

[@EricBZink]

I don’t know anyone who has done that so be hard to share about

[@soundofperserverance3363]

coke in water? Are you ok?

[@farmazooticalz]

As long as u add bicarb n heat it it's all good. That's the only coke in water I know of😂

[@Chevelle602]

Instead of drinking on the weekends I take 3.5 grams of red kratom and that prevents my desire for alcohol.

[@thomask7441]

Did the exact same thing, and ended up in rehab with horrible withdrawal symptoms, kratom is no better than alcohol

[@Chevelle602]

@@thomask7441 I can manage kratom. I don't need it every day. Don't want to take it in the morning. Couple days a week is fine for me.

[@wrecklessresponse]

Nicotine is the hardest thing. I found TezZa no tobacco/nicotine pouches and I am week into no nicotine. Tastes really good but it tears up your mouth in the beginning. The package says you can steep the pouch for a glass of ice tea. I tried tropical.

[@johninflorida8634]

nicotine is a bitch.

[@tylersays-]

Lol go meet heroin and come back and talk to me.

[@williamblondin5834]

That is a criminal statement my friend

[@michaelblosser2455]

Been using kratom for pain relief. I have extreme pain in my abdominal area. Feels just like shingles which I had like 30 years ago. Kratom helps with the pain. I also am prescribed Lyrica. I would gladly quit the kratom if they would give me something else but they won't. 10 mg of vicodin works great but they will not give me any. Were it not for the kratom, Lyrica and ibuprofin to take the pain away I would end my life. It really is that bad. Been on kratom for like 6-7 years. I'm type 1 diabetic. The withdrawal is horrible. The deepest feeling of dread I have ever known. .......it makes me shake. Screws up my balance and kills my motivation. Overall not good but better than suicide. or a big hit of fentenal....same thing. I don't use it to get high. I hate high. 1991 was my last drink of alcohol

[@morganophelia5963]

kratom helps people , stop

[@foreverrr_tatum]

Not when your husband can’t function without it and wants to sleep all day high

[@morganophelia5963]

@@foreverrr_tatum kratom doesn't get people "high" so you can say all day to me your husband is getting "off" on kratom and I will NEVER believe you

[@back2roots779]

You're addicted

[@morganophelia5963]

@@back2roots779 no im not

[@morganophelia5963]

@@foreverrr_tatum kratom doesn't get you high

[@feliciaw934]

Kratom got me off an 8yr opiate addiction. Been "clean" for (on kratom only) for 5 yrs. Kratom allowed me to live a life I could only have dreamed of. I do believe it saved me, HOWEVER....I have a love/hate relationship with it. I would love to be off of it but its do difficult. Im dependent on it & need it everyday. I believe it should be used with caution & as a stepping stone only

[@ARon82]

I found no benefit to Kratom, its crap.

[@robinmiller871]

Quality is key. Mexican weed vs Colorado premo.... the difference is universes apart!

[@ARon82]

@@robinmiller871 Weed is better

[@thechuck141]

20 years in methadone i was able to come off in 2 months taking kratom.

[@pchoi2002]

Worse addiction than pills. By far.