How Does Childbirth Save Women?

[@jchry3688]

I was reading 1 Timothy 2 last night and this verse about childbearing stumped me and kept me thinking for a while. This morning I opened KZbin and got this! Thank you and praise the Lord!

[@ME-vn5ic]

Same!! I thought about it on saturday. God is good 😊

[@residue-er5dooo]

*The bible has been supernaturally destroyed fulfilling many prophecies and can no longer be trusted.*

[@kerstin8744]

I’m glad I continued listening to this video… too many people in the comments are mishearing what John is saying, I hear him say that even though we as women (who can bear children) suffer through it, we are still saved by Christ and the curse in genesis is not the final say.

[@shipwreckedsailor586]

Personal testimony here, my entire life changed when I got pregnant. I even quit doing drugs. It's true. For me it wasn't about the pain, it was the knowledge of having a 100% new, pure, innocent life of my own blood to now take care of, it was a new life, hope, a future

[@misspriss2482]

That's awesome. I just don't like it when people imply that a woman has to have children to live her best life or have a full life. For women who can't get pregnant or experience a successful pregnancy, it feels like a slap. Like you're not a real woman or you'll never truly be happy.

[@shipwreckedsailor586]

@@misspriss2482 thanks. And I can understand that because I'm almost 40 now, and I've only been blessed with 1 so far. And I grew up in a large family of 5. I really worry about my 1 and only too.

[@danib712]

The same thing can be said for a father ….

[@youngqueen306]

Such a Beautiful and Wonderful Testimony ❤

[@Nothingbutdust_]

@@misspriss2482 Thank you for acknowledging us who despite wanting to have children cannot have them. It does feel like a slap in the face and a reason to give up on life altogether.

[@flwhitehorn]

This is some potent wisdom from a blessed ministry. May we have another decade of this sober, well formulated teaching.

[@rayewilliams4431]

Shalom brothers and sisters. I am from India. And am going through right now lot of trauma grief and betrayal at the hands of someone of my past much before I came into faith. Please help me not to fall in flesh and act in fear but in Faith? I am feeling too much in despair and distress and reach out in extreme desperation here! Grace and Peace to you from Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son and Our Beloved King and Saviour and Redeemer Jesus Christ!

[@AbigailJ.]

Father God, I come before you right now and I lift up your servant Raye. Thank you for the work that you've done bringing Raye to salvation in and through Jesus Christ. I pray right now for the trauma and negative emotions that Raye is experiencing as a result of what happened in the past. Father God, I pray that you will begin to comfort and heal your servant. I thank you that you are the God who redeems our broken past, and that you're already doing so for Raye. Help Raye to have a heart of forgiveness to be able to forgive that person from their past, just as you forgive us. I pray that your Holy Spirit will empower your servant to continue to walk in righteousness and to have a spirit of self-control, to not operate out of the flesh or the spirit of fear, but in faith that you are greater than any of the trials we experience here on Earth. God I pray for the person who hurt Raye. I thank you Father God that vengeance is yours, but I pray for this person's repentance and that you would deliver them and save them from their sin the same way that you've rescued all of us who are your children. I pray that you lift Raye up out of distress, and give your servant joy and a peace that surpasses all understanding. Thank you again that this situation is already being turned around for Raye's good and for your glory Father. I thank you Lord for the testimony that will come from Raye's life. Help your servant to continue to seek you, love you, and be obedient to your Word. Thank you Father. In Jesus' name, Amen.

[@rayewilliams4431]

@@AbigailJ. Thank you precious sister in Christ Abigail for this lifting me up in your so beautiful and heart felt prayer. Every word of yours I read it aloud to myself as if you were praying right in front of me and it has calmed my fearful nerves a lot and strengthened me in the faith. True fellowship I felt in your kindest prayer! Thanks once again and May Lord keep shining His Everlasting Glory and Grace on you always my precious sister!

[@AbigailJ.]

@@rayewilliams4431 praying the same for you as well ❤

[@rayewilliams4431]

@@AbigailJ. Amen precious sister of mine!

[@rayewilliams4431]

@@AbigailJ. and His Loving blessings to you!

[@traceyhart2297]

I long and my heart breaks to be a biological mum to feel a baby grow inside me and givr birth.please pray God does impossible miracles to make this happen.His way.

[@katieodowd2422]

Praying for you sis! ❤ God bless my sister with the miracle of life in her womb, in Jesus name! ❤️🙏

[@sunnyjohnson992]

A Christian woman’s being safe through childbearing doesn’t mean that giving birth or having children results in gaining everlasting life. Rather, it refers to the fact that a woman’s having children to tend to, along with the other aspects of caring for a household, may keep her from falling into a pattern of gossiping and meddling in others’ affairs. (1 Timothy 5:13) However, she may still face tribulations linked to marriage and family life.

[@rhiannancaraway]

What a simple and amazing answer to a question I've asked so many times.

[@alreyindustries]

This is a rare occasion that I disagree with Dr. Piper. I’ll briefly share my view and I am open to feedback and rebuttal from anyone who reads. The context is Paul instructing Timothy on how the church should be governed. Paul says women ought not to teach or hold authority over men and then he grounds that instruction in a doctrinal truth - the fall. He says it was the woman who was deceived first, not the man, and because of that women should not try to usurp authority and teach authoritatively in the church because when the roles God has designed for men and women to fill get reversed - deception occurs. Chaos occurs - in that God’s designed order is disturbed. Therefore, when Paul says a woman will be saved through childbearing, what I believe he means is that a woman will be protected (persevere in faithfulness - saved) by maintaining her God given role in life and in the church, namely, supporting her husband and raising her children to the glory of God. As is stated again in the verse Dr. Piper quoted in 1 Timothy 5. That makes most sense to me given the context. Though I’m sure it will not be a popular view to many.

[@daleenduplessis6794]

I will consider and pray about both these answers :)..... 2 good ones

[@sarahbutler8750]

I'm a christian home birth midwife. We use the gospel and God's grace to help us through childbirth without medication. I've had 1 medicated hospital birth and knew that wasn't for me. I went to have 5 unmedicated home births after that. (Yes 6 kids) I saved my birth to glorify God with. I believe that women and families need to turn birth back to God instead of the medical industrial complex. There's so much of idolizing and worship of that system. The money is all they care about. So no modern medicines intent was not to help the woman it was to keep her silent. She moans and yells in the hospital setting and the epidural was created to silence her. The first ever pharmaceutical invented by Merk was the epidural. The hospital complex comes in and causes so many issues and destruction of physiological birth process, create problems and then they claim to be the saviors of the very issues they created. I could go on amd on about how the system is a god but not the one I worship. If I needed emergency care that's wonderful and I respect it for that reason.

[@Doubleohcasper]

I agree with you. I’m on my husband’s KZbin this morning but I’m also a Christian birth worker and I love Pastor John but I feel this take on childbirth is inaccurate specifically because of the pain and torment that comes with hospital births. I gave birth to our first child unassisted and it was the most incredible, faith filled, spiritual birth with barely any pain. Contrary to that, the women I have worked with and spoken to who have birthed with all the help mentioned have had the most traumatic experiences. I feel like this video can be redone in a better way and I hope the topic is readdressed. I feel as “thru childbirth” is meant to be the raising of the child as well, the trials and tribulations that come with being a mother, and not about a base level of pain. This way of talking about birth only serves to glorify the hospital system and take away from the miracles that God performs in a undisturbed, physiological birth. This way of speaking only fear mongers. Again I love Pastor John but I feel when men talk about women’s issues like this without having a woman present, many things about our life experience can be misconstrued. Birth does NOT have to be painful, traumatic, scary, etc, and medical interventions such as episiotomies, epidurals, c sections, etc, do SO MUCH MORE HARM THAN GOOD!!!!!! THESE are actually what women are dying of !! The hospital will not save you- only Jesus saves and only Jesus can bring you through birth!

[@kennethfok]

It is a sad fact that medical institutions are imposing so much suffering on healthy women who have been given the natural ability by God to deliver a child and to handle the birth well. We hear of stories of how some women give birth with little or no pain. Hospitals today make women assume a position for childbirth which is to the convenience of the doctors while women have to endure so much pain. There are positions used by women in the past that helps the baby to come out naturally with the help of gravity. If women are designed by God to give birth, shouldn’t they exercise their faith through prayer and trusting that God is indeed more powerful than the doctors or midwives? When there is faith, God is the one who helps to deliver the child.

[@lorainehitt9977]

Dear sister, I respectfully disagree. Having gone through one childbirth in the hospital, where I had an epidural and the doctor delivered my baby a second one in which I did not have a chance to have any medication even though I was at the hospital and my husband caught the baby and now going through a miscarriage, I think that modern medicine is truly a gift from God, although of course it can be used inappropriately at times. By all means, please follow your calling and assist women in the way that God leads you, but please don’t think that all of modern medicine is simply a conspiracy to turn women away from the walk of faith . Everyone has their own unique calling and everyone receives God‘s grace in a different way through different trials of life. There are certainly just as many doctors that are working to minister and be a blessing to women as there are those with evil intent. In the west, we do not simply understand what an enormous blessing and gift. It is to have access to modern medical care. This is something our grandmothers and mothers in other cultures that do not have these gifts by and large would just not understand. Cultures that do not have these gifts by enlarge would just not understand. Receive everything with joy and thankfulness to the Lord, And God gives us all wisdom to use his many gifts to please him.

[@joshuawebb3337]

These verses about the roles of women are some the enemy loves to use. Its tough to speak appropriately on these. Temptation to use this to paint Christianity as massogonist or for Christians to water things down here. Well done Sir. I'm more of a layman. So id just say I don't understand but I trust God. He said these things for our benefit somehow. There is no evil in the Bible if read as God intended

[@rayyancey3044]

Hello, my name is Ray I was wanting to get prayer regarding a situation I’m in. I got involved with black magic and got cocky about using it on someone and I think they learned that I was using spells on them and are now cursing me with death spells. I have come back to the faith and I know it’s weird but just pray that these enemies be defeated and that their spells be destroyed that is all I ask please pray for this, thanks.

[@user-up5on5hm4l]

I think you should apologize to that person too

[@anti8]

Do not be afraid. Isaiah 54:17 no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me,” declares the LORD.

[@AbigailJ.]

Father God, I thank you for Ray. I thank you for bringing your servant to salvation and repentance. I pray that everything dark and demonic that Ray was involved in in the past will stay there, and I thank you for how you will redeem Ray's past. I pray right now for your servant's enemies; I pray that you bring these people to salvation that same way that you brought Ray to salvation, and that they will renounce and turn away from magic and witchcraft. Father in your Word, you promise that when we're born again, we're under your protection and that the evil one cannot harm us (1 John 5:18). I thank you Father that you are faithful and true. I pray that Ray will not succumb to any fear or uneasiness that may arise as a result of this situation, but that you give your servant peace and joy because of the assurance that you will protect them. Help Ray to continue to walk in righteousness and obedience to your commands. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen. "The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in the Lord is safe." - Proverbs 29:25

[@brightelskerfoundation]

Women also have to endure menstrual cycles which are also related perhaps. Thanks for this 🕊

[@smokyquartz5817]

Cycles are natural, not punishment from God. Thats a lie the church tells.

[@kellyfriess5217]

Childbirth does not save women. I've had cancer and hubby and I could not have children. Jesus still loves me anyway...children or no children!!!!!

[@jenberg3662]

Did you listen to the video??

[@ryanallison4000]

Is it fair to apply the equal and opposite thought to men? That men will be saved “through” the thorns, hurts, and sometimes futility of productive work? Just trying to think this through. Thank you for all you do. It blesses many.

[@brandedforchrist]

You know Paul said those words after saying women shouldn’t usurp authority over men in the church.. I guess he said just to make women among not like they’re worthless or devalued in Christ.. The same way a man will be saved is the same way a woman will be saved despite the curses in Genesis 3.. So yes, men will saved through faith in Christ despite their hard labor and toil for daily bread.. Grace to you ❤️

[@SRose-vp6ew]

Paul wrote this letter to Timothy. Timothy was a disciple of Paul. Timothy came out of Greek culture from his father, and Jewish culture from his mother. In Jewish culture you are Jewish “if” your mother is a Jew. When Paul wrote the Corinthians he taught that we should not be unequally yoke with unbelievers, but he does not say to divorce them over this. In Greek culture there are many goddesses taught to the women. In Jewish culture women could not even gain access to reading Torah for themselves and their greatest chance of even hearing what Scripture says was from preachers who could be off or their husbands, however as Jesus associate himself with both women and men, women were than allowed in church and Torah reading for the people who followed “the way,” or as we now say, Christians. Just see how valuable it is to be able to read scripture for yourself and learn the context surrounding them. We all have access to the words of Jesus himself and the many prophecies in what Jesus called the scripture, books like Isaiah, Deuteronomy, and while you might not like this, the book of Enoch that did not get canonized, yet Jesus referenced it when talking about marriage, and rebuke people for not knowing the scripture. Besides this early letter that got canonized as Biblical there are other letters on early church practice given to specific churches and people based on that churches needs that did not get canonized by the Catholic Church for us to currently call scripture. My favorite early church letter encourage specific times of weekly fasting before Sunset shabbat starting on Friday. But that letter of how a particular church need to do things was not added because Paul already made it clear it’s not about adding rules to rules and missing the point. But there’s nothing wrong with the letter because the letter was simply a local letter based on the needs of that local church. It didn’t contradict scripture by setting up an order, but it definitely wasn’t calling itself Scripture to be taken as such. Jesus said, “my sheep hear my voice.” But everything we hear from the Lord, especially about specifics in our own life or church, are not written down as scripture for all. Sampson had a call to never have his haircut, to never drink wine, and to never touch the dead. It didn’t contradict scripture on how to wash after dealing with the dead, or scripture on wine being very much so allowed in the very first miracle of Jesus, and haircuts are not a sin unless God specifically tells YOU not to cut your hair. There are some people who can’t handle even a glass of wine, for them they need to hear the instruction to not even drink, there’s some who are called to be set apart like Sampson was to be, that doesn’t mean God contradicts himself when some wisdom written into our Bible says take a little wine for your stomach. Jesus says my sheep hear my voice. We need to listen and obey God and as that verses written from the mouth of Jesus that goes into say we must follow him.

[@brandedforchrist]

@@SRose-vp6ew These words Paul said to Timothy was a command from the Lord for the body of Christ, it wasn’t just a command to a specific church but a commandment to all churches.. And the reason why Paul gave for the commandment has nothing to do with being a Jew or a Gentile, he said because Eve was deceived not Adam, so it’s already a command God gave to the woman in Genesis 3:16 and Christ didn’t come to abolish it hence the reason why Paul said 1 Corinthians 14:37-38, that this command is from the Lord not my opinion neither is it based on your culture, it is a commandment from the Lord.. . Paul’s letters were never local and the commandments he gave from the Lord applies to all churches of God not just a local church based on their needs like you said.. . And please I’d like to see the verse you said Jesus cited the book of Enoch.. I’ve never heard nor seen that before.. why do you feel the book of Enoch should be canonized?

[@AnHebrewChild]

@@SRose-vp6ew that was a very wise answer you gave. It is difficult to break through the traditions of men. I've found this to be the case in my own life: constantly challenging church tradition by the commands of Christ. It is very difficult to convince Protestants that many of their traditions are traditions of Rome. (ie traditions of men) The words of Jesus himself are the measure. These are the plumb line by which all other words are tested and proved. His sheep hear his voice and follow him, and a stranger will they not follow but will flee from him for they know not the voice of a stranger.

[@AnHebrewChild]

Below is a scripture text for anyone to read who happens upon this thread. A few key words called out. _ And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. • ἔθνος is the word translated by English bibles there as "nations." That Greek word is _the_ word behind the word "Gentiles" in the NT. Exact same word, variously translated. • the word "Name" there is singular • "have commanded" is past tense. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all GENTILES, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

[@shadowfax9177]

Because childbirth hurts so bad that you either call out to God to save and help you, or you can't go through with it 😆

[@missidljkingofkings9063]

Oh, my days! After listening to this, I love Jesus more.

[@smokyquartz5817]

How....?

[@missidljkingofkings9063]

@@smokyquartz5817 I know, it's a weird statement. but, hear me out. Eve our ancestors committed a crime and that crime released a curse over all her bloodline. We are inheritors of her action whether we like it or not; Also, I have committed my very offenses against God often throughout the years. The law of fairness states that I should repay the consequences of my action. But, God in his grace and mercies gave me Jesus Christ instead. Jesus Christ has become my hope, healing, forgiveness, and eternal life. The reality of childbearing pain sounds dreadful, but because of Jesus Christ. The hope I have in him surpasses my fears.

[@dylanmilks]

We covered this section of text this Sunday (yesterday) at my church.

[@brandedforchrist]

Was it different from what pastor John gave? If yes, I’d love to hear yours 🙏🏾❤️

[@maxaplin4204]

This is a difficult verse to interpret. I think John Piper has probably interpreted it roughly along the right lines. But I think the reference to childbearing is more likely to be about the fulfillment of the role of mother than the pain of childbirth. And I think the 'through childbearing' is more likely to be about the circumstances of being a mother than to mean 'in spite of the pain of childbirth'.

[@Theranchhouse1]

this is indeed a hard one...but I did not get anything from Pipers explanation..still is a big ? to me.....

[@maxaplin4204]

@@Theranchhouse1 Here is the text of 1 Tim 2:15: 'But she will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love and holiness, with self-control.' Here is what I think is likely to be the right approach to interpreting this verse: In verses 12-14 Paul has just said what women SHOULD NOT do: teach and have authority over men. I think now in v. 15, so as not to leave things on a negative note for women, he says what they SHOULD do. Similarly, in v. 14 Paul has just referred to a woman, Eve, sinning. So now in v. 15, again so as not to leave things on a negative note for women, he talks about women being SAVED from sin. Most Christian women are mothers, so Paul thinks of a typical Christian mother and says that she will be saved 'through childbearing', meaning that she will be saved as she fulfills her role as a mother. I think Paul is thinking of final salvation after death or the return of the Lord. Paul doesn't mean that her good deeds as a mother will save her. But saving faith is always accompanied by good deeds, so Paul is referring to the circumstances in which a typical Christian woman will work out her salvation (Phil 2:12). Paul started the verse with a singular pronoun, 'she', referring to a typical Christian woman. However, in mid-sentence he changes to the plural 'they', because he shifts to thinking about Christian women as a group. This is just a stylistic change. Basically, Paul is saying that Christian mothers will continue down the road to receiving their place in heaven as they are good mothers and live lives of faith, love, holiness and self-control.

[@Theranchhouse1]

@@maxaplin4204 😇yes...I get THAT 'now'.....your explanation is understandable..thank you....

[@meme-hz1mq]

Could be both, honestly. Childbirth and the aftermath. However, there were no pronounced curses uppn motherhood in Genesis.

[@sereneanna4040]

Children r a blessing fr God n e fruits of e womb r His reward. Kids can bring 🎎 closer in their relationship if they both have a common focus ie love n committment for the kid. Likewise but so true n saddenin, if 🎎 dont handle e stress n responsibilities of parentin, it may tear e marriage apart. Nevertheless, some parents do change for e better ie givin up drugs, smokin, swearin, partyin, over spendin etc Shalom, God bless to All parents 🕊🕊🕊

[@kennethfok]

Men are only designed to have sexual relations and impregnate the women because their God given role is to labour outside to provide for their family. Women are designed to receive the seed of the men and go through pregnancy and childbirth. The process of going through pregnancy is something that only women are able to go through. From carrying the developing child in her womb to feeling all the little movements of the child, from being the provider of nourishment for her child both while in the womb as well as after childbirth and even having to endure the pain of childbirth. While society calls it a curse upon women, many have gone through the rite of passage to bring children into this world just as how God had designed the life of a woman. The pain of childbirth is pain with a purpose; a woman endured it and the end result is being able to carry her child at her breast. And as Christians, are we not taught to trust God and have faith? A woman could actually entrust her birth to the Lord for just as children are a gift of God, so is God the deliverer of the child.

[@tn9783]

ive always thought the word "they" in 1tim. 2:15 was referring to the mother and her child(ren) not women in general

[@marionmarcetic7287]

May GOD Richly Bless You Pastor John For Sharing This Great Wisdom.🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦🇮🇱♾️🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🗽‼️

[@daleenduplessis6794]

Yes, my spirit agrees. Thnx for sharing.

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Job 5:15 But he saveth the poor from the sword, from their mouth, and from the hand of the mighty.

[@chinyeredaniel3394]

John 3:16 salvation is for every human men and women. The same Bible says in Galatians 3vs 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. There are many things we should not give much attention to like who created God, why did Jrsus choose only 12 disciples.etc Let.us.focus on the main thing which is the salvation of our soul which Jesus offered to men and wome

[@vania698]

Thank you!

[@rebeccasmith7439]

With all due respect to Pastor John, The Holy Spirit said your explanation is incorrect. 🙏

[@sarahcronje6454]

Thank you, this is helpful. Isaiah 54

[@TheCreepypro]

an excellent question with a very well thought out answer thank you Lord for providing both

[@phieble]

It seems to me that the context of 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is responding to the salvation that we have been given by grace through faith in Jesus by worshiping him as men and women embracing and serving in the roles that we have been given. Paul's particular focus is how our faithful obedience is lived out during corporate worship meetings, wherein men generally (and some men who are chosen and gifted by God to occupy certain positions) lead in offices of authority over the women according to the headship and submission roles that God established when he first created man and woman. Women may he tempted to try to rebel against or usurp the men in leadership for whatever reason, so Paul urges them not to do that because just as Adam had authority over his wife, men have authority over women (according to the appropriate application within relationships) and we see how it worked out the first time when Eve rebelled against the order assigned by God which resulted in sin being brought into the world. Therefore, since men are the leaders and it is through worshiping God by embracing and serving in their roles that they will be saved (could mean that this is how they are sanctified or how they prove that they are saved) then women should focus on the roles given to them and grow in sanctification by embracing and serving in them. The main roles given to women are to be a wife and mother in partnership with and in submission to their husband under the Lord Jesus. Women are not sanctified nor prove to be saved by rebelling against God and trying to lead over men but thet are sanctified through obedience in serving as a wife and mother should God call them to that. Single women and married but childless women are sanctified through obeying the Lord and submitting to men appropriately in others way that they are called.

[@stonecoldtruth7006]

Pastor What about people who can't get a spouse What if God dodent allow a eoman e to get married

[@sarahs7253]

I was thinking about .y life last night and before child bearing I didn't have much purpose and kind of wasted my life and time. After children they do give your life meaning purpose and really keep me busy. The verse in Bible came to my mind about us being saved through child bearing..I have to say this happened to me although before I didn't really understand it.

[@kmeadows7785]

That’s ridiculous, A woman does not have to have children to have meaning to her life.

[@mamagore3031]

@@kmeadows7785She didn’t say that, but children certainly bring a purpose and meaningfulness to life, along with an awesome yet weighty opportunity to raise eternal souls for the glory of God! Thank You Jesus.♥️

[@hiekkaroopi]

So I have not been able to bring kids to this world.

[@neptunianvibes]

Why would you try to bring a child to a wicked world full of dangers? Adopt and help a child in need.

[@hiekkaroopi]

@@neptunianvibes I am too old to adopt. My country has adoption laws that make it very difficult to adopt from anywhere. Infact, I don't know any families with adopted children. Anyways, I'm not legally allowed to adopt kids in my country.

[@CL_G]

According to 1 Corinthians 7, it's okay to be single and childless. You will be able to concentrate more on Christ than pleasing your husband or rearing children. The same applies vice versa to men.

[@hiekkaroopi]

@@CL_G I'm married to a non-believer

[@mamagore3031]

⁠​⁠@@hiekkaroopi “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified [that is, he receives the blessings granted] through his [Christian] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband.” I Corinthians 7:14a (Amplified Bible) May our Lord continue to bless and keep you in His care for His glory. Thank You Jesus that You refine us through our trials and painful struggles to be a vessel of honor for You. I pray that You would do that through my sister and show her Your glorious plan to use her mightily in Your kingdom! Please bless her, her family, and her work for You. Thank You Adonai Elohim, our King Jesus!♥️🌈🕊️✝️

[@MMJ501]

“Through” aka in the process of :)

[@evelynfrederick]

"Saved" is another way of saying sanctified. Woman can teach men. But we must first learn, lest we have another garden incident. You should distinguish the difference between usurping authority and just walking in it.

[@campyouisthatway4099]

Your interpreting the Bible your own way, I’m guessing you also believe gay marriage should be a thing because if you check with the Bible one-way why would you do it to cause harm right

[@evelynfrederick]

@@campyouisthatway4099 Aweee. Well, you guessed wrong. And it's not the only thing you are wrong about. Thanks for trying. Blessings

[@residue-er5dooo]

amen

[@campyouisthatway4099]

Sounds like a reason to not believe in God if he didn’t tell women specifically the reason not to eat the fruit and they made one mistake how do you decides to kill so many women because of that

[@samuelhendrickson7396]

Hmmm...interesting.

[@simsim5919]

All I can say is Paul wasn't jesus, and we should listen more of jesus and less of paul,

[@danib712]

Im a believer of Christ and all my life from a child to adulthood and excepting Jesus Christ and turning away from sin and the way of the world yet I still do not want to have children…and because of that I understand I can never have a husband unless he also doesn’t want children. And I’m content with that. But am I still sining because I don’t want to have children???? I understand how children are a blessing but I dont want to be a mother…is that wrong??

[@snorkchop8134]

God is not mad at people who genuinely do not have the desire to have children. Don't force yourself to get married, have sex, have children because you think God is forcing you to. It wouldn't be genuine and you wouldn't be happy. It's beautiful for those who genuinely want it, but some people are willingly called to a life of singleness. Notably those people want that calling and aren't forced into it. I don't know what you want, so I can't say, only you and God know that. There are many ways to serve God.

[@Princessfrmalmighty]

No

[@jenberg3662]

Thank you thank you thank you. This was a huge question for a long time. Grateful for you!!

[@smokyquartz5817]

In this fantasy, women were deceived by Satan himself, the man merely by "his" women.

[@campyouisthatway4099]

They both got till the same information they both judge it from the same information unless you’re saying the man was Too naïve to question “his” Woman then you could Say the same about Eve who is deceived more? Adam to unquestioningly takes the fruit or Eve who questions the serpent a couple times before

[@smokyquartz5817]

Yes, why did this myth hold up as the reason to abuse women for literal millenia?

[@dannyiselin]

No, John, the Greek word is "en" in not "dia" through. How about she shall be "VALIDATED" for Greek "sozo" in childbirth as a noble alternative to taking a pastoral leadership position over males? Try "validated" for other NT conundrums where "sozo" was the only linguistically available word in Koine.

[@brandedforchrist]

Ok, what’s your own interpretation according to your own understanding of the Greek word used in the text ?

[@maxaplin4204]

Firstly, the Greek preposition in 1 Tim 2:15 is dia, not en: Sothesetai [she will be saved] de [but; translated first in the sentence in an English translation] dia [through] tes [not translated] teknogonias [childbearing] . . . English translation: 'But she will be saved through childbearing . . .' Secondly, sozo doesn't mean 'validate'. It means 'save', 'keep from harm', 'preserve', 'rescue'. Thirdly, it is a mistake to think that a first century author writing in Koine Greek would have had to resort to sozo because there was no other Greek word that meant 'validate'. Even if there wasn't a Koine Greek word that meant precisely what the English 'validate' means, there were certainly some Greek words that were much closer to 'validate' than sozo. For example, one of the meanings of the Greek verb dokimazo is 'approve' (e.g., in 1 Thess 2:4), which is much closer to 'validate' than anything sozo means. So too is one meaning of sunistemi (e.g., in Rom 3:5).

[@brandedforchrist]

@@maxaplin4204 thank you so much for replying ❤️.. But then again, what does that verse mean in light of your interpretation my fried? What does he mean by women will be saved through childbearing?

[@maxaplin4204]

@@brandedforchrist This is a difficult verse to interpret. I am not completely certain about how to interpret it, but I think I have a good idea. I see it along similar lines to John Piper, although not exactly the same. Firstly, there is a debate about whether 'she' at the beginning of the verse refers to Eve or a typical Christian woman. I believe strongly that it refers to a typical Christian woman (as Piper does). Secondly, there is a debate about whether the being saved in this verse refers to being saved from sin or being saved from death caused by childbirth. I think it is about being saved from sin (as Piper does). Thirdly, there is debate about what 'through childbearing' means. Piper thinks this is about being saved despite the pain of childbearing. I think that is unlikely. I think it is more probably about fulfilling the role of a mother. So I think in this verse Paul, after saying shortly before that a woman should not teach or have authority over a man, is saying that Christian women will receive final salvation by fulfilling their Christian duty in motherhood. Of course, not every woman has children, but most do, and Paul is just talking about a typical scenario for how a Christian woman will live out her Christian faith: as a mother. Importantly, when Paul says that Christian women will receive final salvation by fulfilling their Christian duty, he isn't saying that they are saved by doing good deeds. In the New Testament saving faith is always accompanied by good deeds, so Paul is just focusing on these accompanying good deeds of Christian mothers here. That's about the best I can do.

[@faithwalker5196]

Vesico-vaginal fistula, for example.

[@svenskbibel]

WRONG! John is a good teacher. But in this he is wrong. Motherhood (childbearing) is one of the most beautiful and divine things that God has given to women. But John turns it into something ugly and black and painful. The context is that God has forbidden the teaching ministry to the woman (v. 11-14), but instead has given her the beautiful role of Mother. Paul speaks positively about Motherhood also in 5:14. John, why do you turn white into black, sweet into sour? You speak in this episode as if you were a secular woke-person.

[@Doubleohcasper]

I agree. This episode made me very sad. This is NOT the reality that God has given us with birth. Birth is holy, sacred, and an incredible rite of passage that women go through that brings us closer to God. This viewpoint from Pastor John is very disheartening.

[@danib712]

I mean God did say it’s part of the curse of sin that women will go through pain burning childbirth…if eve did not sin we would not have to go through pain and man wouldn’t have to work so hard doing labor work

[@j.j.9767]

Due to your misrepresentation of John's words in this regard, I would strongly recommend that you listen to the episode a second time. Not at all has John turned childbearing into something "ugly and black," as you claim; Albeit painful, because that is what he demonstrates by directly referring to God's curse on the woman as a consequence of her disobedience in Genesis 3:16, where God said, "I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children." And agin: John does not "turn white into black, sweet into sour" and most definately not does he sound like "a secular woke-person." What a strange accusation to make 😮

[@svenskbibel]

@@j.j.9767 OK, I did obey you. I listen to the episode again. Perhaps I had misunderstood something. But NO. I Just became more angry and sad. The subject for this episode is 1 Tim 2:15. And instead of a contextual analysis, John run away from the text to Henry Alford and to 1 Cor 3:15, and from there to Gen 3:16. And the result of that strange running is John saying repeatedly that "childbearing being part of Gods curse". Yes, Gen 3:16 say that, but not 1 Tim 2:15. In 1 Tim 2:15 childbearing is something positive, because it says "Yet, she will be saved through childbearing". SAVED. So why transform this positive statement from Paul to something ugly and black - the saving Motherhood a CURSE?! What? (And no, he's strange analysis of "through" is not exegetically valid.) I think that John came lost because he think to literal and narrow of the word "childbearing". If he would understand it as Motherhood and all what is included in that word, he would not have err so strongly. I love John. But I don't think he is God. He is a human. With flesh and blood. A human who sometimes err, as we all do. And in this episode unfortunately he did that. He ended up unintentionally as an ordinary secular person who disrespect the Godly given Motherhood, which is the greatest gift God has given to the women.

[@godschild3887]

Childbirth DOES NOT SAVE a women sir! You fail to realize that there are many woman who can not have children. Leave it to a Pastor to add more comdination to an already sad time in these women's life. Did you pray over this subject before going public or are you one of those Pastors who think you know God? I'm just shocked at your lack of empathy. Shame on you!!

[@Lillmoses11]

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