How Is Infotainment Designed?

[@savagegeese]

I want to make this clear, I approached Toyota to do this project. And its extremely rare to get any major OEM to talk openly about how anything works. Yes there is corporare parts of this video because it takes executive level leadership to tackle projects like this that effect millions of cars. I myself nor Toyota never said what they are doing is best or better, its a dialogue about how and what goes into this and other brands face similar obstacles, namely in tech.

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

if you ever wake up feeling stupid, remember that a real company hired these real idiots and spent a stupid amount of money just to destroy their product and brand reputation

[@txdevops]

This is awesome work and really a rare opportunity! Looking forward to future videos.

[@banovsky]

It’s great Toyota helped to make this happen. Now it can use our feedback to evaluate how to make some of these technologies un-happen. :)

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

gonna crash and burn real hard

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

if I were Toyota I'd take this interview down, their obliviousness is so apparent when these "designers" speak. It looks really bad on them.

[@MrMartena56]

I actually can’t believe the access you got to Toyota executives, this is almost unparalleled in terms of what I’ve seen from KZbin content creators, I hope this piece puts SV over the top, what an incredibly bit of journalism.

[@TeeWadeG]

ON ME I was about To hop up under here and say the same

[@rodneyh7693]

Free advertising. He approached them with that idea in mind.

[@pete1067]

The paradox of American society is that people hate government involvement in their lives, yet willingly give private phone or car data to companies regulated by the same. Truly, what a time to be alive!

[@MA-ie6hl]

Long time subscriber. I remember when the factories wouldn’t give Mark the time of day. Much less offer a vehicle to review. Yore the man Mark.

[@-fuk57]

Lol. Oh, ewe.

[@TrinityWilderness1]

“Yore” so right!

[@dannoyes4493]

I'm left with more questions than answers. I still don't understand why the manufacturers don't simplify the entire process - make it so their cars interface with an individual's tablet or smartphone - something they're already familiar with. When I heard the engineer say "As long you have that passion, technology can fix anything." Passion for what, exactly? This told me that, as with so many other industries, millions are spent designing 'solutions' that are usually addressing ever more complicated layers of 'solutions' on top of flawed "solutions" on top of yet earlier flawed 'solutions', instead of addressing the fundamental reason for existing in the first place. At its core, isn't infotainment really just a radio? or maybe HVAC controls? Well Done. Brilliant. A Triumph. A Masterpiece.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

As far as I'm concerned, they already figured this shit out in the late 90s and early 00s where all the buttons and features you needed were at a finger's reach. They've uninvented the wheel and told us it's a step forward. Clown world.

[@povertyspec9651]

@@JohnFromAccounting Yes, it's change for change's sake. I love my simple Nissan 370Z which has everything I can ever need, other than blind spot monitoring. A simple stereo upgrade and I have Android Auto.

[@dannoyes4493]

What is driving this paradigm shift? Is it the marketplace or, Is it regulations?

[@galactictomato1434]

@@dannoyes4493 Touch screens are cheaper. It saves the car companies money to remove the physical buttons.

[@bobbybooshay5854]

@@povertyspec9651 370z is a fantastic car 😍👏

[@griffinpowers7382]

When the designer started talking about moving heated and cooled seats into a digital interface all i could do was scream NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[@1Snouser]

Literally fucking insane...any other car but a Tesla should have knobs and the like

[@bassandtrebleclef]

The consistent problem with a lot of these UI designers is that they don't understand usability in a 2 ton vehicle.

[@mabolzichjjl]

Like.. I don't want YOU to choose what features I see based on the season. Give me buttons/switches and let me make the choices.

[@macaron3141592653]

@@1Snouser Why shouldn't a tesla have knobs and buttons?

[@1Snouser]

@@macaron3141592653 The screen is big enough to have actual target areas that someone can press with squinting or losing *significant focus (there will always be distraction). These shitty low refresh rate screens in toyotas, subarus, hondas aint gonna cut it to have buttons be virtualized. Furthermore, the Tesla goal is to have the car most drive itself/assist the driver, so one can comfortably operate the screen. I would personally like to have knobs and buttons too, but they can feasibly present an actual virtualized UX with their OS/Screen

[@JCDenton95]

I want piano black plastic on all my AutozoneTM Haptic Touch feedback panels with 100 brightness level screens that you can’t switch off. Just my taste.

[@C.I...]

Finally, we found the guy who all the new cars are made for.

[@Lora_Beolab]

The world if technology didn't exist

[@twiincentral8780]

Screens that cannot be turned off should be a crime.

[@JoshCraver9000]

Piano black trim looks incredibly cheap!

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@JoshCraver9000 it used to be special

[@Adrian913af]

I LOVE that you push the needle in your formula for your videos. It's this kind of art that helps articulate what you and Jack are doing vs just regular surface level car reviewers

[@GreyCrowe]

As an early 80s kid, it's so interesting to have watched countless hours of sci-fi television and movies demonstrating all the inherent flaws and dangers of certain technologies/inventions..... Then, growing up, to have all these technologies/inventions become reality...and all that cinema being proven correct along the way...crazy. Hackable vehicles and government tracking/disabling...all for a better radio. I dunno, it seems like liberties being trades for conveniences. RIP right to repair

[@mrstewns]

I see fahrenheit 451 taking place all the time now

[@dr._breens_beard]

Oh dude im an early 90's kid and weve watched the same shit happen. Thank god for base model vehicles but even thats prolly not gonna last. Wont matter regardless as unless ur born with an understanding of info tech, good luck finding a job that pays enough to allow u to afford anything.

[@NYPATRIOTBX]

And that’s why I will keep at least one old car in my fleet

[@Dowlphin]

Whatever we live and portray adds it to the mix. Warning, documenting, discussing, examining, those are all processes of documenting, of historical record, not of creating. Fear-driven people, i.e. the mindslave majority or corrupt masses, watch a movie about a dystopian future and start considering that possible reality and then hurry to prepare for it, thereby manifesting it.

[@faustinpippin9208]

The best option is not to buy it, just get a old car from the 90s that is 20 times cheaper and fix the rust...and it will last forever, until the gov will tell you that you cant drive it on the road because "iT BUrNs To MUch FUel" even tho it burns like 7l/100km, like they did in Europe in many countries because they only look at the year the car was made....So now I have to scrap my perfectly fine car that burs 7l/100km and buy a newer car that constantly falls apart and burns more fuel because "iTs MoRe eCo"

[@realbigtuna667]

These videos are amazing. No one else does anything like this. May not get as many views right away, but this will be an amazing historical reference when looking back at what was going on during the shift to EVs.

[@cdb5001]

@Joseph Roach agreed. EV's are ironically.... Unsustainable.

[@jonathanwelke]

@Joseph Roach ya except ethanol go big boom!

[@scottgabbard662]

I think that we are little farther out on EV’s for mass adoption than most. That stated, the how’s and why’s in this video are somewhat insightful and the fact that Mark them to do it, historical.

[@realbigtuna667]

@@scottgabbard662 Charging times and range are much more important in the US than other countries, which raises the bar for the feasibility of EV mass adoption. Current battery/charging capabilities are a long way off for US mass adoption outside of local urban settings. Grid capacity requirements are going to be an issue for all countries. The only feasible solution I can see at the moment is nuclear. Many countries in Europe have closed a lot of their nuclear plants over the last decade or so. No idea how they are going to solve their energy needs. Solar and wind isn't going to cut it without massive energy storage solutions.

[@heimatliebe116]

EV's are being forced upon the enthusiast drivers by globalists' design to reduce us to serfs and cancel our freedom. People who don't defend their freedoms don't deserve to keep them.

[@RandomlnternetGuy]

The Mk7 vs the mk8 VW lineup is a great example of being out of touch with customers.

[@jmtm-d1q]

MK7.5 is the best GOLF one can get 7 was amazing and 7.5 perfected it I can’t even look at MK8, just shockingly ugly

[@galactictomato1434]

They apparently fired the guy responsible. So they are at least self aware enough to know they fucked up.

[@hannthenan]

Nice pun 😌

[@rogermartinez78]

Well said my friend, that's why I kept my MK5 GTI!

[@steveunderwood3683]

Anyone who would cover the steering wheel with touch buttons is out of touch with their own brain. What's the point of a head up display when they've introduced a head down steering wheel?

[@BB-zi5wi]

I LOATHE the 50 million thousand touch screens and digital instrument clusters in modern cars & absolutely LOVE from the bottom of my heart the simplicity & logic of the interior & the way i interact with my 20 year old 5 series

[@Affalterbach1967]

I'm supporting so that Mark can make four important videos a year, in addition to the usual car reviews. (8:22. Executive producer Patreon support level gets a cameo role in the video.)

[@billharris7235]

I love how they all talked about customer satisfaction as their primary goal. The primary goal of any publicly traded company is shareholder satisfaction.

[@mitchellsteindler]

Which only comes from customer satisfaction, unless you're only marginally better than alternatives. Then shareholders can be satisfied with dissatisfied customers!

[@RubmaLione]

If users have poor experiences with your product, your shareholders and stock will react accordingly. Same goes for safety, quality and reliability, etc. Also, this video is with the team and shareholders who own the user experience of the car, so it is literally their job to ensure customers have the best experience possible.

[@realbigtuna667]

Top priorities of any company should be customer satisfaction, followed by employee satisfaction. Assuming revenue strategy is solid while maintaining those two priorities should always result in satisfied shareholders. Where companies fall into trouble is when they prioritize maximizing profits over those two things.

[@mitchellsteindler]

@@realbigtuna667 there's a balance though. The best way to satisfy customers is to give them exactly the product they want, fully customized for every individual, for free. Obviously that's not sustainable. Running a business has to be sustainable.

[@brandonsever2576]

All this complicated tech makes me value my '95 300ZX even more. The two buttons pods on the sides of the gauge cluster are absolutely wonderful. Headlights, fog lights, front and rear wipers, dimmer switch, cruise control on/off, all HVAC controls, and defrosters are within 6" of your fingertips without cluttering anything or being distracting.

[@povertyspec9651]

The 300ZX had the best ergonomics ever. I had one and the instrument cluster and pods was a masterpiece.

[@brandonsever2576]

@@povertyspec9651 this has me thinking, I wish there was some way to objectively measure the quality of ergonomics in a car. I wanna know what other cars would score very high

[@dielaughing73]

I haven't driven the ZX but I am certainly grateful my 370Z has such an 'outdated' interface. The touch screen is predictably slow and unresponsive and the maps have never been updated (because it costs like $200) but everything else is familiar and easy to use. Why this obsession with being able to reprogram UIs and update everything all the time? Is that really what drivers want?

[@redhammer92]

@@dielaughing73 Car manufacturers keep saying its what people are asking for but ive never actually met someone who wants this stuff. The few that do, go figure, drive electrics.

[@ivanwong5841]

This is a nuanced and hard topic, and it's hard to please everyone. Hmm, I never appreciated Toyota's 10 year life-cycle guarantee and it truly keeps cars from being a "throwaway" machine after a few years of use (like my old Pentium 1/2/3/4 machines). Thanks again.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

At 39:00 he talks about getting drivers to not use their mobile phones while driving. That's great, but now, infotainment systems are responsible for a growing rate of crashes. They are just as distracting as mobile phones, perhaps more. It's a complete out-of-touch attitude to increase the influence of the infotainment system on the design of the car, and then claim they're most interested in safety. The data speaks for itself.

[@C.I...]

I don't think people realise just how much distance they are covering while driving blind in order to look at the screen. Multiple seconds are required for each action, especially if it's embedded in a menu. If something were to happen ahead, it can be the difference between gentle braking and a hard crash.

[@danh4351]

No Chit.

[@koopaGG]

Yeah it's just complete bullshit. It feels like just a ploy for more cost cutting and data collection.

[@larney37]

That feels like it's right, but do you have a source for that?

[@koopaGG]

SG's video on the Tesla 3 covers one of them, but you could just lookup infotainment related crash statistics or touchscreen related crash statistics and there's quite a bit out there

[@revmatchtv]

These big projects really differentiate you and Jack from other channels. Great work guys!

[@Sal3600]

Munro live is the best.

[@tymac3306]

Once Mark said Toyota all as I could think about was subscription-based features you want to have a remote start for the cold winter day $9.95 a month... Nickel and dimimg the shit out of everything and everyone

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Because it has an added costs of running all the tech infrastructure, support and development which you never asked for. Talking about cost savings, huh?

[@JoshCraver9000]

Shit like that should be illegal!

[@pbosw]

Sadly this will only become more prevalent. Just like blank buttons on lower trim levels of current cars, companies will just toggle whatever tech features on/off for different trims if you don't pay a subscription

[@Jut1233456]

They did mention the 's' word somewhere. I bet someone, somewhere is creaming themselves over the 'cars as a service' model.

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

I was kind of annoyed by the guy that claimed you don't use heated/cooled seats that often and they should be buried in the touchscreen abyss, but they completely lost me when they started talking about their subscription BS.

[@joelbolton7252]

Personal case-study. I purposely went from a 2012 Volvo with a screen-based UI interface to a 2010 without it. My parents have a 2022 Volvo with everything tech-based that the car offers, and man, its a lot to navigate. I am vastly happier stepping backwards to a more analog experience where I focus on, and enjoy more - the driving experience. I'm 35, and have all the electronics I need in my iPhone, ipad etc, but for my car, I feel that we are getting way too distracted by systems we do not need while operating heavy machinery. Nice to have for some, cumbersome and dangerous for others. That middle ground is tough to achieve for sure...Maybe when it gets simplified and basic features are not layered in distractions to access, I will be more inclined. Makes me enjoy my older cars so much when you see what we "didn't" have for so long, and were just fine.

[@mhirst16]

I have a 2010 S80, and the only screen it has is the pop-up Nav system. Unless you're using Navigation, the screen stays down.

[@joelbolton7252]

@@mhirst16 I went to a 2010 S40 which has basically no screen and the cleanest dash design in modern automobiles, my 2012 Cross country was awesome but you could tell Volvo had to do a lot of re-designing to get the screen integrated into a dash that was not designed for it when the car started its life. Interface was fine, but I love the uncluttered nature of the dashboard for this reason.

[@mhirst16]

@@joelbolton7252 I think this happened to a lot of manufacturers...there was a time in recent makes and models, (looking at you Audi) where in cars like the A3, the screen is just stuck to the top of the dash, it looks like an iPad was taped on there like an afterthough...just horrible. Finally carmakers are starting to realize that looks like shit, and are at least building the dash design around the screen instead of the other way around.

[@davidmulligan42]

Great video, Mark! We bought a Venza last year, and purposely went for the XLE rather than the Limited because of the full haptic controls on the Limited. The XLE is much easier to operate on the move. I hate looking away from the road while driving (we live in the most densely populated state), and any control that doesn't become mostly muscle memory will be ignored while driving. I like the idea of connecting profiles to users' phones. Even better, allow users to set up all their preferences on the phone at any time, then apply the settings when they connect to the car. This is what bike computers such as the Wahoo Elemnt do now - no fiddling around on tiny head units, just set everything in the app and it's done.

[@jmat7103]

So here is the real reason these researches are being done. Make the lower level cars harder to control and then convince you to spend more and buy more optioned cars. I mean it was just fine when it was all analog.

[@crazedmodder]

@@jmat7103 If you're referring to David Mulligan getting the XLE instead of the Limited with your "Make the lower level cars harder to control and then convince you to spend more and buy more optioned cars." comment, then you are incorrect. The XLE trim is a LOWER level than the Limited. Hyundai did the same thing with the Tucson if I recall correctly. So they're making their higher level cars harder to control.

[@jmat7103]

@@crazedmodder thought the xle was higher trim. I stand corrected. But either way... It seems like it's a regression than progression.

[@crazedmodder]

​@@jmat7103 I agree, it is kind of sucky and is honestly keeping me away from a lot of cars. I'm worried that at some point they will all go the haptic path though and then I cannot get away from it.

[@davidmulligan42]

@@jmat7103 Yeah, the XLE is the mid-level trim, with the Limited being the top trim. For '21, the XLE had heated/cooled seats and a heated steering wheel (with the Softex package), and those were the most important options for my wife. I watched review of the Limited with the haptic controls and I knew she'd hate it.

[@C.I...]

At 16 minutes he justifies putting heated seat controls in the screen by saying you only use it occasionally. While this is true, I still want to be able to operate it while driving!! When will these designers get it into their heads that multiple seconds looking down at a screen while driving is unsafe in any case?!

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Never, because they're programmers. Open up Photoshop and tell me if you understand anything about that interface.

[@Fra-gee-lay]

Exactly. If it is in control of comfort it should be available at a touch while blind

[@Scypher0th]

that is a load of shit....thsi is why i FIRMLY believe there should be 100% different developing departments for u.s.a and canada....in winter the heated seats are used nearly 6-7 months out of the year....

[@C.I...]

@@Fra-gee-lay I'd go further and say something should only be on a screen if it can't be represented in any other way. And all screens should have an off switch.

[@Yukikazehalo]

His logic about how you only use those seat features during specific weather conditions is just flawed, all that really means is that heating/cooling should be part of the automated climate control suite, not that you can just bury it in the infotainment to find later. I use my heated seats far more than i use cruise control, yet car designers put 4 CC buttons and a toggle right on the steering wheel but think it's ok to hide the heated seats in a menu?

[@macaron3141592653]

The "cognitive overload" talking point about buttons has been so detrimental to the modern era of car interior design. Having 40 buttons for climate controls and audio is no where near as overwhelming as trying to open and close menus on a touchscreen while driving quickly or on a bumpy road. Things like volume, climate controls, safety systems, and other simple functions do not need their UI's to be changed, and should not be on a touchscreen or touch button. This is simple, and never needs to be changed. Everything else is fair game. Easy. So much of the complexity in this conversation feels manufactured and artificial.

[@billharris7235]

Car manufacturers are going after the same demographic who buy a new iPhone every year! I also never trust a car executive who wears dress shoes without socks. Sure, they'll only use my data for product improvements!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Yeah only in the past 3 years has airplanes sarted to go to Glass cockpits and away from hunderds of gauges and switchs. And it's only becuase it was to much... No modernhj car has to many of them like my 2020 Mustang Preuim has a big screen yes but also buttons and switch for nealy every thing so much so I almost never interact with it the buttons do that good of job.

[@bigcjm]

Folks totally forget how many buttons these 2010 to 2013ish car has. Jump in a 2012 Acura product or Porsche and tell there isn't too many buttons.

[@ab-nz2mm]

yes, the guy was like its my job to get drivers off their phones to prevent crashes... bro, its easier for me to text and drive than use your dashboard interface u spent 100m on pretending you were apple.

[@mauriciogarcia4190]

@RandomInternet User I agree most of it is junk but that’s why apple CarPlay and android auto is awesome, it completely negates the bullshit software that the OEMs are putting in

[@Mooreinlife84]

Very interesting deep done into an even deeper subject matter. Thanks for your time in making this.

[@whynotmorewhisky]

I just want replaceable head units so the tech doesn’t make the vehicle feel dated after two years. Of course, I also won’t give up my V8 Lexus until they pry it from my cold dead hands.

[@MrSandChess]

Pry it from your cold dead hands? But “Why Not Voluntary”? I’m sorry I just saw the opportunity and I had to take it lol

[@jlolment]

If the interior doesn't look like shit after 2 years, how else will they lease you another car?

[@itcangetbetter]

@@jlolment the IS500 interior looked like dated shit immediately. It was an absolute crime.

[@zTheBigFishz]

Phones are replaceable, portable head units.

[@itcangetbetter]

@@zTheBigFishz Except they're not. If he said he wanted something LIKE a replaceable, portable head unit, you'd have a point.

[@sb971]

2020 Lexus UX250h here. The audio controls are truly horrible. We loved the simplicity of our 2012 Prius. This new vehicle is a step backward, except for Apple Car Play, which is fantastic.

[@jr.sciencebros.8411]

Gen 2 and Gen 3 Prius were the best Priuses.

[@colemorganracing]

Cars should be cars, not computers. Also, rule one of cybersecurity is it can't be compromised if it doesn't connect to the internet.

[@kdt9554]

This definitely feels like a Toyota propaganda piece on how safe our data is with them.

[@tah6746]

Agreed. A air-gapped system or system that is not connected to any network is far more secure than a system that is connected to a network (Especially a Wireless Network). I do not want this in my Automobile. Automobile Theft and other issues are going to go through the roof when hackers or others break into the system and there is no more physical security (keyed engine start) anymore for example on Automobiles. No thank you. No Sale in regards to new vehicles with these Infotainment Systems.

[@tah6746]

I do not want a Automobile that is connected to any thing.

[@Swermie]

I’ve just started this video. I have the urge to put the phone down and live in the woods forever.

[@bk138gt6]

I hope there is a pendulum response to all of this and we see at least a partial return to analog components. Seems unlikely, but this is why I bought my mustang with a manual and the trim level without the touchscreen and digital dash

[@JonathanPaulin]

I find it kinda funny that they claim to have spent a lot of time thinking about their interfaces, when whenever reviewers get them they can identify how easily they could be fixed in a few seconds. Either manufacturers do spend a lot of time on this but have no idea what to do, either they don't actually give a shit and just go for the cost cutting measures. I'm not doubting the engineers, but the executives do not actually care, let's be honest. They didn't care when the airbags were deadly, that says a lot. That said, thank you Toyota for opening your doors. Being open and transparent is the right way, so major props.

[@deicide100]

When you turn cars into a disposable A to B appliance without any expectations for emotive expression, this is what we get. Car manufacturers still can't grasp the concept that people aren't cyborgs(yet).

[@MrSandChess]

Unfortunately to the vast majority of people they have always been disposable A to B appliances, which leaves us enthusiasts with the short end of the stick

[@beulahboi]

@@MrSandChess I'm a car nut in a family of appliance people. This is very true. :(

[@thirteen__]

I disagree. We are already cyborgs. Our lives revolve around (for many people, at least) machinery and digital interfaces, virtual environments. Closed off worlds. Our cell phones are the most obvious example. Need to order food? Grab the phone and get on a food delivery app. Want to start your car? Grab the phone and start your remote app. At work: staring at screens for a huge part of the day. At home: staring at a screen while we eat, do other things, pray, cry, laugh, and so on. We are without a doubt a part of a living machine network.

[@realbigtuna667]

The vast majority of consumers only want a simple A to B appliance. Sad, but true.

[@ewpbaker]

I LOVE this episode. Another +500 points for SG's dedication to excellent content.

[@George-ur8ow]

This video displays some of the reasons I still can't let go of my 2006 Lexus GS300: - Screen for AC/heat, but it's one physical button, one screen button. 2 seconds to use, tops - cooled/heated seats, it's only a physical scrolling button. It's left on in the position you leave it in and goes to work immediately when you turn on your car. - I can TURN OFF the center console with one physical button and one screen button (especially good for latenight drives/roadtrips). Give me physical buttons for major select options, with an easy up-down modifications on the screen I can use while driving that I dont need to look at. Only screen interfaces? Not in this lifetime!

[@brycecarlson]

Thanks for the time spent on this. Very neat to see how the sausage is made. Next time maybe it could be a fine print series on Arby's?

[@TimPaddy]

Nothing Dan Hall said makes a damn bit of sense to me. Physical button overload? Maybe in a Pagani Zonda, not in a Camry. I don't think the manufacturers were moving buttons and knobs to illogical locations until after infotainment showed up and screwed with traditional setups. At least I now have the manufacturers' perspective, after watching this quality video, why they keep making products I don't want to buy.

[@Zettel9016]

Excellent. You echoed my thoughts exactly.

[@tah6746]

I as well have lost interest in New Vehicles.

[@kevinclapson]

I appreciate that you guys do segments like this. Great video. One man's opinion: customers that are interested in an automated carriage ride shouldn't be consulted on anything BUT an automated carriage. From a practical stance, technology integration in cars reached its peak with audio media and navigation integration. They wasted the opportunity to allow for all this tech to help the customer mechanically by bypassing the need for dealer diagnostics, and pretty much everything else they keep shoving in there is nonsense being "asked for" by people who grew up with cars that helped them reverse, park, change lanes, manage speed, and pay attention to other objects on the road. Now let's talk some objectivity. ANYTHING that pulls your eyes from the road is unsafe, and any discussion regarding a UI that promotes safety, while still requiring use of touch features or precision manipulation of controls is completely disingenuous. I'm glad they at least acknowledged the complete edge that manual controls have in this regard, but they're still doing what they're doing. The discussion regarding consumer security is also pretty laughable. These manufacturers can say whatever they want but the reality is that if they're using affiliate software (Google search engine, for example) aspects of your data will be sold to those software companies in order to offset licensing fees charged to the car manufacturer. You can add advertisements based on your driving habits to those based around browser activity and social media. Lastly, cost and environmental impact. Even if Toyota (or whomever) decides to absorb the increase in manufacturering cost with all the added tech and research that went into it, fixing a car is only going to get more costly the more they increase infotainment and tech integration. Add to that the reality of what goes into all this added and improved tech is only increasing negative environmental impact. The current direction of the automotive industry is pretty disheartening. I'm hoping the next 5 years or so sees more people pushing back somewhat, but I'm pretty sure that's a pipe dream as people are all to comfortable with being told they need these features, or being told that an EV loaded with tech is somehow "greener" than a straightforward combustion powered vehicle.

[@longestblock]

I feel like alot of non-enthusiast and tech sectors in the automotive industry dont value the desire for simplification. At least giving customers the option to "de-techify" thier cars would be great

[@TeeWadeG]

You have to buy them now

[@connellyboyle1]

I just don’t think those people buy new $40k+ SUVs which is the hot market right now. It’s clear to manufacturers that they can charge a premium for electronic gadgets. I just don’t think there’s enough money to be made in the “de-tech” crowd to be worth it.

[@TeeWadeG]

@@connellyboyle1 that’s because the detect crowd never spends the money. I had got damn fully loaded Dodge Charger j bought with 9k miles I bought in 2014. Blind spot, lane departure, the smart cruise, parking sensors front and back, heated/cooled seats, heated seats in the rear, back up camera, remote start, Nav, Harmen Kardon with 17 speakers or some shit plus the amp, heated/cooled cup holders, power seat all the way around . When that car was in a flood in June 2021 with 159k miles on it, the backup camera and Bluetooth was the only thing electronic that had ever malfunctioned. My point is , How “de-tech” do you want to get ? Why? My other point Look at Charger reliability ratings. They are terrible. But that damn Charger was one of my best and I had many. So if the fear is it is going to mess up maybe it will. That’s why I always buy something with performance upgrades like LSD, Bigger engines, adaptive suspension, transmissions, gear ratios, that shit and the and safety autonomous is really what holds value. So In 10 years if it does mess up, you will still have a buyer cuz people don’t SRT8, CTS Vs, C63s for the Nav and cooled seats.

[@TeeWadeG]

@@connellyboyle1 You know if you haven’t experienced this high tech stuff for self you may actually love it. And I don’t mean experience it on a test drive, I mean like experience while you do the things you do every day. and really nowadays Nav, blind spot, heated cooled seats etc is “de-tech” I have driven THOUSANDS of cars I can only think of once where the basic luxury features like I listed above did not work. I was in the automotive industry for 8 years until recently. All of it except the early days I was at the #1 dealership in my state. #1 and it wasn’t close. Even as a salesmen, before I had my own department, or a finance manger I was able to get a demo and I always chose used. As much business as we did thousands is probably conservative. My point is you are missing out on some good cars wanting “de-tech” cuz you don’t want to learn or cuz you think they will fuck up.

[@TeeWadeG]

@RandomInternet User you don’t even need to do that. If you want a traditional driving Car Pontiac G8 GT is about as good as it gets

[@RubmaLione]

Mark, this video is seriously impressive. I’ve been designing interfaces and products in tech for my entire career and can say you successfully covered the most important issues in a meaningful and logical way that others have not. Not even major tech news websites go to the depths you have. Wow.

[@mikeemannn]

I've been a long time fan of this channel. This is the best auto focused KZbin channel and the attention to detail, the editing the style of the videos, the aesthetic, its all just so good. So if you end up reading this comment, I just want you to know that you're doing a good job and I appreciate all of the work you put into making this.

[@mikeemannn]

By the way, I am only 8 minutes into this and I'm already impressed lol

[@savagegeese]

Thank you, these videos are the hardest to make.

[@kMan00001]

Whoever is responsible for the bigger screen in the center stack of the new Venza, whoever is responsible for the Lexus touch pad, they all need to be replaced.

[@greencomputerfan]

We could have developed a v10 manual transmission sports car but the market research said people were most interested in watching tik toks and changing their ambient lighting on their MMI screen. This is the future we asked for. Anyways, thank you Mr Goose for the in depth video.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Stop having preferences, bigot. Market research has determined that you don't matter.

[@galactictomato1434]

Yes v10 manual sports cars are real money makers... Get real.

[@jasonhatton5146]

I couldn't get the manual v10, but does a manual flat 6 count? "Tech" includes power windows and 2 way adjustable seats, 1 way powered and 1 way manual. No sport mode or any buttons at all on the steering wheel.

[@fbp452]

"We wanted flying cars, instead we got 140 characters." - Peter Thiel

[@jsfbay1]

As a (retired) software engineer, Imho, the Goose team has produced another masterpiece. Super well done! Once again you managed to get access to people who were willing to talk openly and lay out for people the level of complexity that exists in the design and implementation of a modern connected in-car "infotainment" system. Thank you! Time will tell what customers think of the system implementation.

[@tombrennan6312]

Did you parse your opening sentence? You can't even write a sentence to satisfy a nun teaching 5th grade yet you talk about complexity.

[@jsfbay1]

@@tombrennan6312 - your point?

[@tombrennan6312]

@@jsfbay1 It should be obvious. You're not too bright. That or, if bright, lazy or poorly educated and incapable of doing things once demanded of 5th Graders in Catholic schools. So much for complexity.

[@jsfbay1]

@@tombrennan6312 - did you have trouble understanding my post? Or do you just enjoy being the Grammar Police? Or did you consider whether I might be disabled?

[@JoshCraver9000]

If this is the future, then I'm keeping my 2017 Mazda 6 for as long as I can.

[@pv4083]

The quality and topic of this video is out of this world. This is why savagegeese is such a savage! Great video man. I’m going to become Patreon.

[@TheHouseofKushTV]

Call me crazy, but for me it's this simple: will I want/need to do it while driving, or every single time I start the car? If so, I want it on a physical control. And let's be clear: 'cognitive overload' doesn't happen because "too many controls", it happens because "not enough differentiation between controls." When every button is the same size, in a long row, and all icons are tiny and look same-ish... no bueno. Intelligent layouts, sizing, spacing, shapes, colors... we can process very complex systems easily, IF they're designed and laid out ergonomically. /end rant

[@dielaughing73]

A car that is dependent on internet access for cloud computing is not going to be much use in the huge portion of the planet without any internet service. I know that's not where most people live, but they do need to drive through these areas. This whole thing, especially the dependence on touch interfaces and the loss of physical controls, is a massive step backwards in terms of usability.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Starlink may be a solution to internet access in remote areas. Hmm. Maybe Elon's random biz are not so random.

[@redhammer92]

Id say thats actually where most people live. These companies only care about people who have 45,000 USD, on average, to buy a new car though. "most" people buy used and have barely passable internet connections.

[@tah6746]

No Sale, I do not want this in my Vehicle at all. Give me a basic reliable Automobile. The more bells and whistles in a system or Automobile the more there is to break and the more vulnerable the vehicle is to software, data privacy, and hacking issues. No thank you. As long as this trend in Automotive design continues No Sale.

[@raist315]

We're enthusiasts, so we know what we want in cars, and we're vocal about it. The problem is that there aren't enough of us, or that we don't buy when they come out with something that has the things we asked for. So cars end up going in a direction we don't want, because that way is more profitable.

[@ShawnDickens]

People on this channel are enthusiasts, yes. how is the sports car market doing? Do you think we make up a majority of their real customers? We are a small portion and we very as some are tech and others are not, some like both.

[@muhammadmore]

Ah yes, a 1 hour video about screens. I will watch this 10 seconds at a time from my idrive device

[@jmat7103]

The more I watched this video... The more I realized that this is not about the future of cars but is about a giant leap backwards for cars. So they want to collect data and make things more complicated and then come around to get more from your wallet, get you stuck in a subscription "service" to do basic things that are/were free.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

You can make a compl,etely anolog BEV with a transmission and manuel it's just no one has in the past 20 years...

[@Filipolis]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Managing the battery and the control of your electric motor requires so many digital components just by design, that by then you wouldn't be able to call that car analog anymore. There's no way to have a well functioning analog accelerator pedal in an electric car for example, which is a very essential component.

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

Exactly. I see no reason why Toyota should gather and sell my music preferences. I have enough apps doing it already.

[@ThatWasherNerd]

Thanks! You guys are incredible!

[@MisterSkizzels]

Great, another thing my parents can call and ask me to help them with.

[@xposzure]

Great editing , tons of info , thanks

[@chrisfreemesser]

I've been a computer junkie all my life...my first home computer was a VIC-20 I bought in 1983. I've parlayed that into a career in IT since 1986. I know full well what computers can, and more to the point, should do, and I am NOT an anti-tech kind of person. As soon as this guy said "technology can fix anything" I was done. Technology is a tool, and like any tool there's a time when it's the right choice for the job, and a time when it isn't. Anybody who thinks technology can solve every problem is delusional...sometimes it makes things appreciably worse...

[@savagegeese]

I didnt agree with him on that either but many of his ideas about simplifying are great.

[@305Nick]

Seriously thank you for all the amazing informative content you put out.

[@oghi]

Again another great video! From my point of view as a driver who enjoys a fun car and a reliable car, we are witnessing and end to the tem "simple car". When I hear the words: data collection, subscription, cloud, security and statistics, I feel like the future car will be just like our phone, constantly knowing what we do, where we are, bombarding the driver with new personalised adds and a need to replace it because of the obsolete hardware. I understand why Toyota is doing this. My biggest problem is when Tim Carroll says: "Think of the value of the data that can provide to companies and governments".

[@gretchenlittle6817]

Yep -- the "helpful" example he gave (block by block weather for EMS) is essentially already available. He rubbed me the wrong way. Will courts decide vehicle info is protected to some degree? It's an open question -- phones need a search warrant to be opened, but the personal nature of phone use as opposed to the public nature of auto use (public roads, licensing required, etc.) could drive a less privacy-oriented outcome. Also, merely subpoenaing certain cell data is currently allowed -- hard to imagine travel records would get more protection than that. And don't forget the criminal element. It could be a stalker's wet dream to know about a victim's recent or current travel, and organized crime could benefit greatly from some of this info too.

[@atsinos]

Mark, Jack, SG team, thank you! Keep on this path. You’ve carved out a niche for yourselves and I love the access your geekiness has enabled you to uncover. I have never consider buying a Toyota until recently. I’m 42 years old. The Toyota II grew up with was boring Camry and Corolla. The only Toyota I’ve ever longed for is a 4Runner. But now, they’re coming up with awesome designs, halo cars, emotional experiences, all backed by a deep rooted commitment to the end user. Tech is the final piece of the puzzle. I’m holding onto my 2017 as long as I can to avoid the tech purgatory consumers are having to endure. This video opened my eyes as to why there is so much latency in development and why things are the way they are. Ps: the engineers comment about heated and cooled seats… he clearly does not live in an extreme climate. Heated seats are the 4th most used feature in Canada after the steering wheel, radio and hvac. Being able to dial the heat back and forth, on and off is a critical element and should not be buried in a menu or have the adjustability be haptic or on screen.

[@Mike-fn7rx]

“Who wants a seat heater when it’s warm out?” ME! I love seat heaters because they help relax my back.

[@maxpower7774]

YOU HAVE SELECTED: DRIVE OFFLINE. FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE IMPAIRED. ARE YOU SURE? Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!

[@C.I...]

You have purchased an Adventure Subscription. This will allow you to explore [ONE ADJACENT REGION] for as long as you like! True driving freedom!

[@JohnFromAccounting]

You have missed your monthly payment. Vehicle now operating in 50% power mode.

[@james2042]

For me, any control that involves touching a screen becomes non existent when the vehicle is in motion. But heres the thing that I don't hear talked about enough in the world of infotainments. Touch controls are fine to use for *passengers,* which means the *drivers* physical controls do *not* need to be near the screen. Steering wheel controls for things like volume and HVAC are amazing. My moms 2002, which has only physical controls mercury grand marquis has volume, "next" (for radio presets), fan speed and temperature all on the right side of the steering wheel. This was a 2002 design by ford and honestly it blows me away. We are used to holding a screen in our hands, wrapping our fingers around it and using our thumbs to control it. In my honest opinion, this is where drivers physical controls belong. It allows the companies to go full digital in the middle, with maybe a knob in the console for physical redundancy, while giving the driver what they need literally without having to take their hands off the wheels. Take infotainment controls off the wheel (like D pads and such) and just put volume/radio, hands free calling/voice assistant, and HVAC controls for the right hand. Left hand controls cruise control and the gauge cluster. For cars with dual zone climate, obviously just link the driver's climate to the wheel, keep the passenger exclusively touch. Then just have a little popup in the gauge cluster screen that reflects the changes being made by hitting the steering wheel buttons so that the driver can see what they are doing at a glance without having to take their eyes off the road to look at the main screen. It would take a little getting used to for a driver to just use the buttons under their fingers natively vs reaching over to the middle of the dash, but in the long term it would be beneficial.

[@mixmixed.comics3002]

Brilliant m8

[@802Garage]

Agreed. Driver controls that may be needed while driving should be almost exclusively analog and tactile.

[@daffodils_pine]

I don't agree regarding the touch screen being better for something like heated/cooled seats which are more seasonal because it's usually something I would turn on when the car is starting to run because it may either be very cold or hot initially. Then I would turn it off while driving because it would no longer be needed and in some cases could become too hot. Companies could create buttons which are customizable for things like this, and allow the user to set those buttons to do certain things in the screen. But really, I'm going to be against touch screens in cars for the most part. I understand some vehicles which have a LOT of options almost need to have some settings in a touch screen but why not allow it to be hidden while driving? Certainly it would improve driver safety. I'm pretty sure I've seen hidable displays in some Bentleys. I don't think it's a big cost to make a digital display hidable, but even instrument clusters are pretty much all digital these days.

[@djpotassium]

Heated and cooled seats should def be buttons, these tech people are out of touch (no pun intended)

[@maxtvtvtv8623]

Simple button to turn your heated seats on versus having to wait for your slow ass screen to start up, then navigate their stupid menu system to find the seat controls with your gloves off while it’s cold as shit

[@rr3775]

This is the most important topic you covered thus far. This modern In-car tech thing is going out of control. Cars are not smartphones. Cars need to be safe to operate both to drivers and others on the road. And cars should be dependable without needing a software update. Please continue to preach this until governments introduce standards and limits.

[@revmatchtv]

We definitely don't want the government introducing UI and interior design standards that aren't related to crash proection.l

[@staterafukumoto]

so i read your comment, and i have some thoughts. i never see anyone driving dangerously while using something on the infotainment screen. i do, however, see drivers regularly driving dangerously because they're doing something on their phone. albeit i have no evidence other than my own anecdotal experience to supplement this statement. the idea behind infotainment tech is to keep the content centrally located, and presented in a way that's quickly intuitive so you *can* use it while you're driving without it being dangerous. in turn, providing easy access to phone calls, voice dictated text messages, navigation, and music; we can keep people OFF their phones while they're driving, which IS safer whether you admit it or not. and really if someone WAS going to be distracted by something on the dash of their car, they were probably just gonna use their phone anyways. at least the rest of us can have everything we need centrally located. there are certain aspects of automotive computerisation that i *don't* like, for instance having all the hardware for a feature already built into the car and disabling it with a software lock that can be purchased or subscribed to. that's dumb, and we should seriously push back against any manufacturer that does this (including toyota). i also don't like manufacturer greed locking people out of independent or consumer repair for any systems (namely tesla). if there was an open standard required by law for diagnostics of electronic systems (like how we have OBD2 for ECU diagnostics) it would actually be SIMPLER to diagnose faults because computers always tell you exactly what went wrong and where. you just have to have the read the errors. just like with a scan tool. the enemy here isn't computerisation, but manufacturer greed. in passing along messages like this, they solidify ideas in consumer minds that all electronic systems *have* to be more difficult to maintain, when that simply isn't true.

[@zechengwang9776]

Hear you Mark and Jack, come to support you! I feel like these kind of videos is really a public service to the automotive industry, but for real, not much people watch it, and it is so god dam expensive. I am no business man, but perhaps tailored your mainstream content towards a more general audience (with perhaps lower cost and time), and make one of these money pit videos once a month? Probably a terrible advice, but no matter what, just want your channel to fanatically make sense and survive!

[@joshbrown4907]

That toyota campus in Plano looks insane. Ive only driven by it, cant imagine what its like inside.

[@mattcrosson401]

This is legitimately the best car program over all types of media. You guys do a wonderful job.

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

lol

[@martyverdoorn8021]

I've been in IT since 1988. I prefer old Miatas because there is no tech.

[@connorbonstein4048]

This kind of automotive journalism is unparalleled in the KZbin space. Unbelievable amount of detail from people who are actively developing these technologies is so impressive, thank you for your service and dedication!!!

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

The more you watch this, more ridiculous it gets. Now they talk about reducing the costs - how about NOT going for cloud and 24/7 connectivity? How about all the layers of related tech infrastructure you have to run, support and update that essentially is paid by us, customers?! Would there even be an option to have a non-connected car or it's now a must for me to pay for your garbage dev that makes experience worse? This is just BS.

[@1Snouser]

news flash: a lot of UX designers are the greatest con artists ever. Literally bootleg android builds

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

eat ze bug!

[@isakjohansson7134]

Its because the governments and the NGOs that rule them want it. Unfortunately Toyota along with Honda, Hyundai and Volvo are in such an NGO.

[@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887]

@@isakjohansson7134 Volvo is owned by Geely China

[@isakjohansson7134]

@@dougdimmadoodahdaay7887 Yes, so? They are still in the W6rld ec6nomic f6rum

[@vladberbece]

Thanks

[@bobb.7230]

I could tell how much time and effort you put in to this video by noticing you had to get a haircut somewhere in the middle of the production! I found this very well laid out and very informative. You also may have sold some new Toyota and Lexus vehicles along the way. Very good work, indeed…

[@ebsupra]

Another example of why SG is the best automotive YT channel. Your progression over the years has been awesome to witness.

[@ItsTheNada]

As someone who has worked in tech for over a decade, I can say that I don’t trust tech to guide my car or keep it secure. In the days of waterfall, software had to be robust because once you shipped the disk or cartridge with the software on it, your company was screwed if anything went wrong. Agile and over the air fixes have made testing an after thought. So … I prefer to steer my own car. On the infotainment side, I really like Daniel Hall’s philosophy that repetitive adjustments should have tactile controls while less frequently used controls can go a little deeper into the touch UI. That said, please keep heated seats as tactile controls lol

[@ForgetfulFoot]

Yep. Exact same thing can be said about the Video Gaming industry too. Agile and Scrum. Its causing everyone to get subpar products.

[@Jacky1Feng]

As a previous automotive engineer, this really showcases how much thought and engineering goes behind each and every decision. It may or may not please everyone, but you showed that they had a challenge and they put effort into solving that problem. Thanks for weaving this story together!

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Oh yeah, now some dude tels me that I don't need my cooled/heated seat button and it can be moved somewhere in the menus. This is all wrong with cars right now - my '11 m37 has a rotary for that and I can leave it on and it will stay that way after I start the car! 2011! And please, tell me how rarely I need to use that in Texas heat or Canada winters...

[@bigcjm]

If you need to continue to reset you temp on your vehicles while driving then obviously your vehicle isn't doing what you need. You should have to set you cooled seats once and your temp once. Maybe an adjustment later but I live in Texas. Temp set to auto at 73. Seat set to cool at 3 or off. Frankly I don't interact with it alot. I drive 650 miles a week.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

@@bigcjm good for you!

[@FlexRogers]

This is why I like Lotus, they focus mainly on the driving characteristics and the infotainment is an afterthought, and the Evora GT is a must have car for me for its modern simplicity

[@ghostridertom]

Also an Evora driver - last and final analog experience for a legendary ending of an era. We will see how Emira will be.

[@larney37]

The older I get, the more I am drawn to older cars. Not having an infotainment screen actually feels like a luxury.

[@itcangetbetter]

Screen dominant interiors are so painfully clear as just cost cutting that they can't help but cheapen every interior.

[@simassidlauskas995]

I appreciate just how deep you go to explain what is actually happening behind the scenes. The effort, skill and knowledge of what you do is extraordinary!

[@PolishGator]

I feel like there is an ever-growing market for simplicity and reliability, you know, the things we can't get anymore. The Speed Queen washing machines are a great example. They cost more than the "fancy" digital washing machines but at least they work well, are simple to operate, and don't break down all the time. Life is complicated and frustrating enough without the technology draining our attention daily. I think if they made affordable, simple, and reliable vehicles for each segment, they would have a hot item(Toyota of the past). There are also very few options for small commercial vehicles in the US now. Never understood why there is no small Toyota van, like the Nissan NV200(R.I.P.). Oh well. Lastly, and most importantly, the biggest problem will be that our vehicles, like our homes, will become totally controlled by the government. Next time they want lockdowns, you simply won't be able to turn on your vehicle or will be restricted to where you are allowed to travel to. Call me a conspiracy theorist all you want. Just don't forget to get back to me in a few years when your jaw drops. Been like that for about 20 years now. Todays conspiracy theory is tomorrow's reality. China is already ahead of that curve and they own the U.S., literally.

[@drewhumphrey]

Look up the chicken tax for light trucks and vans. That’s why there are no foreign-made vehicles like that in the US.

[@PolishGator]

@@drewhumphrey I'm aware but it didn't stop Nissan and others, including Ford. Where there's a will, and market, there's a way. Build em here or in Mexico....

[@LasseDeleuran]

36:28 is a scary path. Insurance companies will make it punishably expensive not to have tracking turned on. I hope laws will get made to make this illegal, but I fear it will not happen.

[@henrylau2051]

Companies should make something so I can place my phone on the dash with wireless charging. Real knobs for audio and AC. And an amazing stereo system. That’s all I need.

[@qnaap]

As someone who works in web technology and a car enthousiast, this video really checks every box for me. Although for me this video sits on the surface of every topic, I find that it gives just enough information on each topic to keep you interested and wanting more! I was very happy to hear you are going to spend more time on these topics in the future. Thank you for the amazing content Mark 👌

[@randybrown6709]

The value of 'analog' Porsches just went up again.

[@firefighterps2]

Yes Randy, and all other analog vehicles. No one over puberty will buy a vehicle that drops a dime on them 10 times a second, and is distracting to operate.

[@galactictomato1434]

@@firefighterps2 Wow lots of prepubescent children buying up every car on the market right now... Or you're delusional and out of touch, hmm 🤔

[@TheDarkhorse228]

Can't wait for my vehicle to get remote code executed 😎

[@darrell9616]

Thanks!

[@tomdrummy4984]

The people speaking from Toyota is an example of people that think they are more intelligent than they actually are. YOU don’t tell the customer what they want………we tell YOU !

[@1Snouser]

YES! Great UX comes from testing, testing, testing, with a wide variety of users.

[@SirOsisofLiver]

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” ~Henry Ford

[@henrylau2051]

I have not even start yet but I am feeling I will love this video. These are the type of video me car people love. Especially when trying to figure out what car to get next.

[@RobertRotte1]

The first step to successful investing is figuring out your goals and risk tolerance - either on your own or with the help of a Financial Advisor. If you can get the facts about savings and investing with a well detailed plan, you should be able to gain financial security over the years and enjoy the benefits of managing your income.

[@ariaibrahim1291]

I think the pandemic have really taught people the importance of multiple streams of income, unfortunately having a job doesn't mean security.

[@steceymorgan814]

Successful people don't become wealthy overnight. What most people see as a lance wealth, a great career and luxury is a result of smart work.

[@alexmontrey5372]

I think the key thing here is working with a professional. Yes people have devoted their lives to making profits in the market, but those of us who haven't but are interested in investing can simply work with them.

[@alexmontrey5372]

Nope, not yet. But the search is on.

[@kathyfrugalsen3047]

@Hoshi Fuyo This just surprised me because I also invest with Paul gustave

[@accordinglyryan]

The way I see modern vehicle tech (and I mean within the last 2-3 years) is this: I have an internet connected smartphone I carry EVERYWHERE with me. Why on earth does my car need its own internet connection and cloud services?

[@omegasak1752]

As an electronics engineer, what I don't like about the concept "we watch you to take care of you" is that they justify many invasive personal information gathering, that landed in the wrong hands (or pressed to be given up), we see ourselves in our freedom being hugely limited.

[@catnapwat]

Ah but they only want all that data so they can save us money on our insurance! Give me a break Toyota, the amount of marketing nonsense in this video really detracts from what is actually quite interesting.

[@Michael-kd7hn]

Fantastic video. These are your best stories you put together, love your fine print series. Shows a lot of work was put into this

[@MyChannel-l4w]

Once I reach my dream car the LC500 that is probably it for me buying new cars.

[@enriqueali]

This channel just goes from strength to strength! First-rate content, great production values and informed and articulate presenters.

[@gnomesukno]

Very well put together video. It's interesting how to learn how they decide to develop. Unfortunately I feel that they may be focusing on such small sample sizes and making decisions based on those and ultimately miss the mark.

[@JoseFernandez-mn6qt]

Mark, you and your Team mada a documentary!! This is a fantastically well put together program, incredibly useful and with tons of data. Much respect! You guys are at the top of your game!

[@colburn888]

Am idea Ive had since screens started appearing in cars is on board diagnostics accessible through the infotainment. The owner would be able to see the code & what type error or problem is when the check engine light comes on instead of connecting to the OBD-II port. To go one further, if a sensor has gone bad the infotainment can provide the oem part number within the description. If modern infotainment can control the suspension, engine, & transmission settings then OBD can & should be accessible through the central display.

[@ChurchAutoTest]

acura was doing this for awhile. Don't know if they still are. BMW also did some diagnostics through idrive.

[@rosettedsouza7265]

I watch everything car, tech and motorcycle related on KZbin. Savage geese does the best, most detailed videos available. This one, The GTR history and Lexus LFA are Second to none. Well done guys !

[@TML34]

I just started watching the video and I’m already intrigued by this Corey Proffitt individual. Sounds like he knows how to get things done!

[@taishou94]

Amazing video. I'm so proud to be a patreon supporter. I never realized how much was involved. It's very interesting! What companies choose to do can be great or bad but this level of transparency is great!

[@ctk4949]

I just want an infotainment to just show my navigation and music, that's it!! I don't want/need to watch anything or play games on it!! I have a huge OLED TV and gaming PC at home to do that stuff!!

[@galactictomato1434]

Every car has nav and music. So what are you whining about? Just don't use the other features. You mad that manufacturers are building features for other people?

[@ctk4949]

@@galactictomato1434 That they are putting huge ass touchscreens in them!! So more and more people will be distracted when using the other stuff and causing more accidents!!

[@RLS2228]

ありがとうございます！

[@23Piccolina]

First, I applaud you for this informative video. Well done Mark. Now to respond to your title, love it or hate it. I hate it. I have owned 75 cars and I can care less about tech in any of them. I appreciate the driving, handling, braking etc. of vehicles. Not their infotainment systems or if they can drive themselves. None of those electronic features matter to me. Give me an E39 M5 or an older Porsche Boxster and I am happy to be driving. The hell with the rest of these electronic features.

[@ctsealteam6]

Used to think like that too, until you realize car designs nowadays is different than what they were 20 years ago due to aesthetic, convenient, or safety reason. I start to appreciate tech like blind spot monitor, back up camera, android auto / apple car play. I remember back then you can only choose songs from the 6 CDs you put into the cars to now you can connect to the whole music streaming service. And now you get live traffic update from Google map so that you can change your route before getting stuck into a traffic just because a road construction. These are good tech that makes driving more enjoyable and convenient in a daily bases.

[@andoletube]

That's fine to have your own feelings, but based on what you wrote, I'd guess you're around 70 years old - you can't possibly think car makers are building cars to the preferences of 70 year-olds? Young people are tech obsessed, there's no way to reign that in now. I'm not a fan of too much tech, mainly for the reasons of not being able to swap in your own head unit anymore, but I recognise that full tech integration is here to stay. Probably the worst part is that cars will become obsolete and need to be taken off the road and scrapped at some point. They probably won't be drivable after 20 years old. That is wasteful and spells the end of collectible cars.

[@23Piccolina]

@@ctsealteam6 I will not deny there are benefits to some tech in cars. That being said, those items are not why I enjoy driving a car. If everyone felt like I do, cars would not cost around $45k on average. Most of this tech is unnecessary.

[@23Piccolina]

@@andoletube I am 65. Everyone has their time, its no longer my time. However, I have nothing to do with their time. The vehicles I enjoy today are boarding on classic. Just like me.

[@andoletube]

@@23Piccolina Fair enough. For the record, although I'm only 48, I feel closer to your camp than the modern generation. I always liked to modify and repair things myself. The new stuff makes it impossible to do that to a meaningful degree.