HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? TESLA Drives Up an ICY HILL

[@blomegoog]

we tried this with Model S when dual motors first released. total control in harsh conditions. Tesla AWD is not just performance, but safety, and efficiency. 3 in 1. No other ICE AWD is like that.

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree !

[@BrenoBLC]

Audi Quattro.

[@huss1205]

I drive my Volvo XC60 D4 2017 AWD on snow and ice, no problem.

[@GodKing804]

>when you've been too poor for german AWD Cara It shows

[@tedmoss]

@@GodKing804 How can you be to poor and buy a Tesla?

[@alexandrelapointe2006]

For a canadian, this has been achievable for years with any kind of cars, you just actually need good tires. ;) having actualy winter tires would go a long way though. the real good point where Tesla actually differentiate itself is in the way it "brakes" with regenerative breaking using the 4WD to balance the slippyness. So going down is where the real video would become interesting (but it's probably a good idea not to get crazy without actual winter tires.

[@mullholand]

People don't understand that tires like Blizzaks make ANY vehicle awesome in snow. Now put a Tesla on real winter tires and they are Awesome +1 * Infinity.

[@rogercmerriman]

Yup the impressive is the control down, going up if your smooth generally doable, but down can be very iffy.

[@KOFIV77]

from one Canadian to another... so so true!! our subaru with snows does this.. up and down all day long.

[@林振华-t4v]

@@KOFIV77 lol, chopper discoverer MS go burh.

[@VoxelLoop]

I think this video is a great example of good traction control though! My man's running the stock Pilot Sport 'All Seasons' it looks like, I'm not sure you could get much further from a winter tyre really. :) I run the Pilot Sport 4 S as it rarely gets to the kind of weather that needs winter tyres in the UK, now those are absolutely horrible in cold conditions!

[@Wasabi9111]

Wow. That’s impressive! But with conditions like that, I would be afraid of driving on the road and not able to stop or turn. Drive safe

[@TommyLGarage]

Luckily the roads were fine.

[@Ironman4297]

@@TommyLGarage so im looking at this video because my Y was not handling the icy roads last night, it seemed like other cars were driving fine, but mine spazzed out a couple of times, some taking turns, others driving in a straight line. I drove very cautiously and even still was sliding at times. what settings do you have it on?

[@claw320]

I think this works because of: good tires + lots of weight + instantaneous traction control you get with an EV. I normal car can't adjust the torque to each wheel hundreds of times per second. The computer is precisely calculating how much to turn each wheel at all times, and they respond instantly.

[@TommyLGarage]

Very true

[@planed1978]

This can be true if you have electrical motor on every wheel. In every other aspect traction control must be like in every other car.

[@Pooky1973]

Tesla's traction control system is mesmerizing. It's not anything like a normal car. Quite honestly it's the best in the world.

[@adnanjusic4890]

@@planed1978 Yeah, having 4 el. motors is even better than 2.

[@Tommaniscalco1976]

You can see how the wheels all spin independently and at different speeds .

[@kevinskeete9074]

Model S 85 Rwd & Model Y Dual owner here… never have gotten stuck here in NY. Nothing but confidence when driving these cars safely with the proper tire set up. Keep doing what your doing TLG. Next big KZbinr!!!! I’m sure if it!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!!!

[@trails3597]

Amazing! The electric awd is so much more precise than a mechanical awd.

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes !!

[@a.ham.9856]

It's phenomenal. I've got Michelin Crossclimates on my X and it simply has to be seen to be believed. Got a steep driveway that used to occasionally defeat my old XC90, with the Tesla I hardly even notice it.

[@trevorshields7347]

​@@a.ham.9856 Totally agree. Had Michelin Cross Climates on my BMW 335d and they were superb. Will be putting them on my new m3 long range in the next couple of weeks!

[@TechSavvyOppa]

This happened to me a few days ago. I was pulling our Tesla up our inclined driveway (fairly steep as kids love sledding on it)... I didn't think anything of it, as it was raining. Turns out it was actually freezing rain, becuase I stepped out of the car in the garage, and went to open the trunk. I stepped onto the driveway, and slid all the way down the driveway... The whole time I was thinking, how the hell did I make it up the driveway.. Like another poster said, I'm pretty sure because the ice wasn't flat, it was very rough. But I needed to put my X-grippers on my shoes to make it up my driveway on foot.

[@TommyLGarage]

Still impressive

[@janssonsamuel8005]

@@TommyLGarage some summer tires have good ice grip.

[@billgearhart5734]

Amazing! I can't wait for mine to be built! Keep up the good videos

[@TommyLGarage]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@chrisc7610]

Its because Tesla's electric motors have far superior traction control compared to ICE AWD. Electric motors can be so many times more delicate and fast responding to slippery conditions because of electric motor reponse being so much faster than ICE engine response.

[@TommyLGarage]

Great point!

[@alanmay7929]

Wrong, that’s absolutely false, it all has to do with software and ABS, I’ve seen tesla and many other EVs like rivian off-road and it was a disaster compared to Land Rover which barely was affected with street sommer tires.

[@chrisc7610]

@@alanmay7929 Advise you to do some real research and some real life tests, rather than KZbin science. There's a reason why Teslas AWD is superior to most ICE AWD cars in roller tests. Off road conditions are a different matter and has more to do with differential dynamics, ride height and suspension setups.

[@alanmay7929]

@@chrisc7610 tesla awd is not superior to most ICE awd, you’re welcome. Off-road conditions are not different at all, it’s still the same systems that are used there.

[@alanmay7929]

@@chrisc7610 there are regular Subaru or Audi going off-road and there tons of videos particularly in Russia.

[@devincook3278]

Ive plowed snow in Pennsylvania every winter for the past 15 years so I’m very very familiar with driving on snow and ice. That’s extremely impressive that any vehicle could make it up that without studded tires or chains.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks. I agree!

[@billjaxin]

That was fun to watch. Can't beat the electronic control of each wheel independently. I'm in the south-west corner of Canada (Pacific Northwest climate) with little snow but lots of black ice, wet ice and hills. In a half century of driving my Jeep is the first vehicle I've owned with any kind of electronic traction control. My other vehicle is an older small pickup with nada. Old cars might be cool and all but technology now is amazing. Electric is the future.

[@TommyLGarage]

I totally agree!

[@Bolerophon]

Its funny how Tesla owners think that all of these 'physics defying' properties are only achievable with a Tesla. It's called traction control and any modern car with good tires can do this.

[@TommyLGarage]

Perhaps

[@alanmay7929]

@@TommyLGarage not perhaps

[@SoulExter]

since the Tesla was in the garage, the 4 season tires were not at outside temperature and it most likely help too, the rubber would have been harder if stayed outside over night and would have give you way less grip I`m living in a place where even winter tire become hard, was -35 celcius last night and it`s normal for us, it`s part of the reason winter tires are mandatory in some canadian provinces Don`t get me wrong, the car is impressive and I'm going Tesla eventually, but people need to understand that in winter, the tires are the most important aspect of your traction and it is why there's so many incident in united state when you just have a little amount of winter condition. Peoples are not prepared and run on 4 seasons while keeping the same pace as in summer condition...

[@TommyLGarage]

Very well said!

[@tedmoss]

You are so right, I was driving between Sumpter, SC and Goldsboro, NC and 10 people slid off the road in a little snowstorm, like 1 in. crisp snow.

[@JohnVanDeVoort]

Nice video! It's amazing how well the car grips on ice. I just made a video showing acceleration and stopping distances on an ice road on our lake. I didn't think the Model Y would do as well as it did, but it is very reassuring knowing that it works well in cold climates. Thanks for taking the time to grab your camera and share this!

[@Proximian]

This is actually impressive. Thank you for sharing.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks for watching!

[@rbkfan200]

Mmmmm, yeah… in Norway we’ve done this for decades in RWD Volvos, FWD VWs and everything in between…. Even on ice there is SOME grip. It’s all about throttle control. But yeah, electric AWDs definitely make it more accessible to most people, like Quattro used to before.

[@TommyLGarage]

Interesting!

[@ricknash3055]

Depends 70% on the tires and 30% on the traction control. I was too lazy this year to switch to the winter tires and instead use All Weather. They wear a bit faster than All Season but are excellent for snow and decent with ice. That hill only requires maintaining traction going up or down.

[@TommyLGarage]

But good tires are indeed needed for maintaining such traction

[@ricknash3055]

@@TommyLGarage I agree! No but required!

[@Xanthopteryx]

Did the same with our Volvo two days ago. But with one difference: The ice was very wet and smooth. It was totally impossible to walk there at all. But the car just, no problem at all.

[@TommyLGarage]

wet ice has a lot of grip. Dry ice is super slippery.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@TommyLGarage Actually it’s the opposite. Cold dry ice is pretty grippy. Wet ice is extremely slippery in comparison. In this video it looked like the temp was around freezing judging by your tyres looking wet so definitely very slippery. If it was significantly colder your tires would make better contact with the over because there would be no water between. The worst is when the ice is in the process of melting. Then you need studded tires.

[@Cory989]

@@TommyLGarage lol you would think a Canadian would know the difference

[@gszah]

Yep. Wet ice is the worst. Coming from a Finn.

[@aknmtbr]

@@gszah ditto coming from an Alaskan.

[@LearntodriveTesla]

Lol my jaw dropped when the car started to slide!!! Glad it stopped and didn't hit the curb or your other car shown there. Luckily we didn't get the snow that was expected yesterday, i'm in NYC. Keep up the good work bro

[@TommyLGarage]

You and me both! I would have had another insurance claim on my hands :)

[@LearntodriveTesla]

@@TommyLGarage Lol agreed! If you ever need a LR MY in Red for a photoshoot, let me know ;)

[@donaldseltzer1820]

Your neighbors must be endlessly entertained with your winter antics! Another fun video!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!!!!

[@ovimiha77]

The traction of the car is amazing, its able to find grip in difficult situations. But, beside this, you have four contact points, not like you with two feet on the ground, the ice is not perfect, like on a skating park, you can see the asphalt imperfections trough the ice, there are points where most of 4x4 will find grip, Tesla does a very good job in this situation. I live on a hill, most of the winters when snow melts it freeze in the night. With my Subaru Forester with winter tires, I never had any problems. Even more, a few times I went up the hill while people had troubles walking up the hill. One time I went up just like normal, did not feel a thing, was all ice under my tires, I went to school with the kids, I've got back home in a few minutes, and I could not stop the car going down, only 1 meter from an electricity plot, I used some salt in the front of my gate. It was so slippery that I could not stand on my feet when I walked down the car. So, cars with good transmissions and good tires can do that. But, again, Tesla is doing a very good job, and the two motors helps a lot in this case.

[@TommyLGarage]

Very well said. Thanks for explaining it

[@davidp7414]

Child: "Where is Poppa?" Mom: "Out in the driveway filming the Tesla go up a hill again" Thanks again-impressive

[@TommyLGarage]

lmao...seems fairly accurate actually

[@huzygaming7216]

Really great traction! Teslas AWD is impressive!

[@TommyLGarage]

It really is!

[@mattbrew11]

There are zero awd cars that wouldn’t climb that

[@huzygaming7216]

@@mattbrew11 🤣

That Subaru behind you would do just the same.

[@TommyLGarage]

Hyundai..it's FWD so I doubt it

[@ht641]

Wow! The Tesla is amazing on that icy surface. You're are also amazing, too. Thanks for sharing 👍

[@TommyLGarage]

Awww thanks!

[@nicklasbergfeldt16]

Sorry if this has already been said in the comments (hard to search them?), but when parking your tesla in a hill (at winter) always use the emergency brakes. - You apply this bu simply holding the Parking button for a bit longer; this will enable breaks on both front AND back wheels and that was what happened when the car slipped down... breaks were only applied by the P-brake on one pair of wheels (the default for most vechicles). By engaging the extra breaks on all 4 tires you will be standing still with the car also when you remove your foot from the break pedal (while it being pressed all 4 tires are engaging breaks, when regular P-brake is enabled only 2 wheels will have breaks engaged, and with this extra break enabled all 4 wheels will apply breaks while standing still).

[@TommyLGarage]

Great tip. Thank you!

[@jom7630]

I would've love to see you try with the other cars to know the difference. Going up an icy hill is a rear wheel job because the weight is concentrated by gravity on that axis so a FWD car is gonna have a real hard time going up.

[@TommyLGarage]

I did. Check out my precious videos

[@jom7630]

@@TommyLGarage oh nice! I'll check it out

[@alantierney1]

But a old VW bug would have no problem

[@TheAdventureAuto]

One of the best parts of owning a Tesla is its handling and AWD grip.

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree!!

[@KingLutherQ]

I also own the same kind of Model Y. It has four wheel drive with M + S tires (mud and snow). Teslas are known to have superior tracking control. They have the best programmers in the world.

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s remarkable!

[@richardj163]

When you “wipe your feet” or your wheels spin, you create a thin film of water which eliminates any traction. If the vehicle is able to keep traction (friction) to the ice without breaking grip… any car can do it, few drivers can.

[@TommyLGarage]

So it’s traction control ?

[@67er_matze97]

it seems the traction control programmers have done a really good job!! Btw your Tesla looks amazing imo 👍

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree !

[@nrutasder7266]

Heavy car = big normal force = crush ice = big friction = drive up ice hill ♥️

[@TommyLGarage]

Hhmm maybe

[@Piccsqueak]

Yes, the physics of high pressure / a heavy car reducing the melting point of ice has generally not been mentioned as a factor in these comments. There are a few variables involved (e.g. pressure = car weight x tyre contact area, and how cold the ice was) but there is probably some beneficial effect of a heavy car, even if not to the extent of a skater's blade momentarily thawing the ice under it!

[@wizzpet6562]

I think the imperfections in the ice (you most definitely felt them when sliding on your feet) helped the car’s traction (along with the car’s weight). If you were on clean & smooth ice, your tesla and your other suv parked outside near your garage would have become one (a silly accident). Once the static grip let’s go, the momentum would have been hard to stop. You were lucky my friend.

[@TommyLGarage]

Luck seems to be on my side! :)

[@audunskilbrei8279]

Weight is not going to help on ice. It will help on soft surfaces to let the tree treads sink into the surface. On ice the only thing that matters is the frictional coefficient of the tires. He was sliding on his feet because his shoes are not as good as the tires on the car.

[@izsakitt3711]

@@audunskilbrei8279 Yes. Also, only the rear wheels lock in Park - as can be seen when the car is sliding backwards. That creates nasty situations. In Montreal as I parked in a similar uphill situation, the car (1964 Dodge!) would begin sliding in Park (rear wheels locked using parking brake, front wheels free to rotate) as soon as I would release the brake pedal (brake pedal locks all four wheels). Lot's of fun (futility?) in Montreal winters, driving front engine rear wheel drive open differential ICE cars with drum brakes.

[@jordan59961]

@@izsakitt3711 if you turn on the parking brake (by long pressing park button) it locks the front wheels too 🙂

[@tedmoss]

@@audunskilbrei8279 That's not 100% correct; weight puts pressure on ice which heats it up and melts it. That's how ice skates work. You can try this yourself.

[@randolphtorres4172]

Good tires, as well as a good car is very important in many situations. But a good driver is the most important in all situations. The cars that are excellent in snow and ice are Subaru. Mercedes, and now Tesla. The KEY to driving in these conditions is never stop the tires from rolling, until you get to level ground, once the tires stop rolling you can’t turn or stop. On ice it’s the operator that makes the difference even with one of the three vehicles above.

[@TommyLGarage]

I guess I'm a good driver :)

[@vermontsownboy6957]

You are correct about the amazing electronic stability control inherent in an electric vehicle, particularly a Tesla.....to a point. There's nothing magical about Tesla's traction. The tires have only a finite amount of traction, and once the break-away friction is exceeded, the Tesla will behave in the same manner as any other car: it will be an accelerating sleigh ride. As it is, I suspect you could have easily pushed the Tesla downhill using two fingers on that driveway. In other words: be very careful with your beautiful vehicle, lest it become a $60K sled, with unpredictable end results.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good call on the sled!

[@PeterTeehan]

2022 Tesla Model 3 Long range dual motors AWD. Lives Colorado Springs Colorado on the foothills near the Air Force Academy. We had a snowstorm today about 6 to 8 inches. AWD Traction Control and Regen Breaking got me down a 5% grade with relative ease. it did elevate my heart rate only because I was unsure on how the vehicle was going to perform. This is a new vehicle for me and now armed with this confidence as you mentioned, driving for Uber fulltime will be treated like any other day. I tell people all the time in weather events you have to drive with what you feel comfortable driving do not over drive your car. Just because the car can do fancy things doesn't make it weatherproof. Every scenario is different. Thank you for this video. Earned a like and sub!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!! Glad you’re seeing what I’m seeing :)

[@KiesMotorsports]

lol love your Tesla videos

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!!!!

[@amin77illinois]

When all wheels wheels are performing together crawling up a slick incline would be much easier then a single trying to propel a vehicle forward

[@kriber01]

You have become a tesla fan boy! It's OK, It's a spectacular vehicle 😂

[@TommyLGarage]

I never expected it :)

[@felixarkang5414]

Its not ! boying" he is just telling the truth that tesla makes amazing cars. It just can entusiast that havent even owned a tesla that hate on them and cant admit that they are great cars.

[@GGMan]

weight = pressure = grip That's why in ICE Road Truckers, HGVs have way more grip than cars/SUVs

[@TommyLGarage]

Hhmmm. I didn’t think Of that. Very true

[@alantierney1]

That is why when going up hills have to put chains on

[@JFK3-1]

My 97 Buick did this up my very sleep driveway Friday night comingnback from snowboarding (wheels and tires from a car in the junkyard). My 2021 4wd F150 does in 2wd mode). My 2021 Mach-E GT does on Summer tires.

[@99ReasonsY]

My X8 Etreme powered wheelchair will go up that hill , no biggy mate

[@TommyLGarage]

Let’s shoot a video!!

[@99ReasonsY]

@@TommyLGarage will love to haha, but am in the UK

[@lavaphoenix753]

The weight of it will make it harder to get up with the traction control and the tires are what's saving up.

[@TommyLGarage]

True

[@techenthusiast4542]

When you got out of the car after stopping uphill, I kept thinking it was the dumbest idea. Then the car comes sliding down

[@TommyLGarage]

Lol yup

[@AwsTheBaws]

“mom what the heck is dad doing outside”

[@TommyLGarage]

lmao

[@Tadaushis]

When I saw you park and exit the vehicle on the icy slope I facepalmed myself :) cuz I knew it would slip... :) good for you it wasn't far... :) valuable info! Thanks!

[@TommyLGarage]

In fact, I think I got really lucky.

[@ddincer]

I was just thinking about your snow trip video the other day. I went to stratton VT with my MYP and i recently got the 19 gemini with snow tires. It was amazing.

[@TommyLGarage]

Glad you liked it!!

[@varun_rag]

Tesla’s got some cool tech going on with their regen braking and acceleration. The way they’ve set it up, especially with the controls, is super impressive. You’re just driving, pressing pedals, but the car handles it so smoothly - it’s like magic. Tesla’s got this unique way of micro-managing the braking and driving, which is something you don’t really see in other cars. And yeah, great video!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks for visiting !!!

[@dathyr1]

Thanks for the video in icy conditions. I have the model Y LR. Because of the weight of the vehicle, AWD, and anti slip features of Tesla, make the vehicle do what you show in the video. It is amazing with these vehicles can do in extreme weather. Take care.

[@TommyLGarage]

Glad to help

[@geoffedwards8210]

The weight will help. The car can reduce the amount of torque to almost nothing so it can give you enough to move but not too much to spin the wheels too much.

[@TommyLGarage]

Very true

[@Quapadople]

The low center of gravity plus the tires...and you can get the above result, obviously risky.

[@achraf28081995]

i have a brand new infiniti qx50 AWD and a brand new model Y RWD my house is on a hill like yours , let me tell you with the qx50 i get a bit scared it drifts on comfort mode but the RWD MY does the job with no issue i was really impressed with that

[@TommyLGarage]

See - im not crazy !!

[@HeliTom84]

Pretty much normal Norwegian conditions. But we do use proper winter tires between October -April. Tesla is a good winter car for sure, but regen can be dangerous sometimes.

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree. Regen is dangerous

[@mulzceo]

What about lack of vibration due to electric motors rather than combustion?..

[@TommyLGarage]

Hhmmm good point!!

[@SirSammyI]

I wish you would have compared it to the Ford Escape for a good comparison!

[@TommyLGarage]

Or a Honda CR-V!

[@fawiek]

Would have liked to see the Hyundai in the background attempt for comparison. Thanks for the info!

[@TommyLGarage]

I’ll do it next time!

[@blazbohinc4964]

Ever heard of heated driveways? You have to lay pipes before pouring concrete and then asphalt, but it basically runs water that's 10°C or so through the pipes and doesn't allow any snow or ice to form. Hardly consumes any power.

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s brilliant!!!

[@ryankozak99]

Physics discussion: Both the friction resisting sliding and the downhill component of gravity are proportional to mass, so they cancel out. The coefficient of tire/tread/surface friction is "constant". But there seems to be more at play here. Can anyone explain other factors and back it up with science?

[@TommyLGarage]

I can! Reverse gravity :)

[@BitJam]

I think the weight crushes and compresses some of the ice thus providing more contact with the road surface and/or more traction on the broken ice. It's similar on snow where sinking deeper into the snow gives you more traction. This is part of how studs work. They apply great pressure and poke little holes in the ice. I don't have scientific papers to reference but this makes sense and what else could it be? If you take something grippy but light, like just a piece of a snow tire tread, you could slide it down the snowy hill like a sled. Therefore we know weight is important for grip in the snow. It's not a big extrapolation to thin ice like this. I don't know what would happen on a frozen lake. It's possible a Tesla without studs would lose its advantage. I do have a PhD in physics but that doesn't mean I'm always right. Maybe someone else has a better idea.

[@silverstake88]

It's called "siping" The more siping your tires have, the better traction you get. Siping is the individual edges of rubber that contact the road.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good to know!

[@COBRO56HD]

Seeing this makes me so happy that I bought a Model 3 Performance. I live in a harsh winter climate state and this as reassurance makes me feel warm inside

[@TommyLGarage]

You’ll love it!!!

[@nyinfamous2k2]

OK, THATS IT . I was the one a few videos back that said I drove in vt with the stock tires and they SUCKED. Thats it, im going right now and buying your exact tire set up. im sold lol. thanks for this reassurance

[@TommyLGarage]

You’ll love them!

[@shinwang2469]

Winter tire works on suction force on ice. It is no surprise to see them working at least. You just need some salt and ice melt and problem solved. If you need a premium solution, heated driveway is the way to go

[@TommyLGarage]

Hmm grat point! and salt went on later

[@kermo527]

Many thanks for sharing this video. I live in CT so it gets like that here as well 😁

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks for visiting!

[@RealRusty]

lol, very funny 😆 glad your camera was not behind your car as it was sliding back.

[@TommyLGarage]

Glad I wasn’t behind hehe

[@eddyk9174]

Wow congratulations first time winter driver. You drove up a small hill incline with ice. yayyyyyyy baby steps.

[@TommyLGarage]

Baby steps!

[@tolgaakyay]

Tire rubber is much more advanced than the rubber in your shoe 😊 I remember a Volvo going up a ski jump ramp. It’s not the Tesla, it’s the tire.

[@TommyLGarage]

You’re right !

[@FirstGearCanada]

i am from Toronto, i went to test drive model Y AWD yesterday, went on my Subaru Ascent and test drove model Y, my wife was gonna switch car in between to test it too. and Model Y AWD was drifting in snow like crazy, not at all stable compare to my Ascent, no confidence to drive. She said she dont wanna switch after seeing this. after going back to the showroom after the test drive he asked how was the winter drive on model Y, i told the truth, no confidence and it was so slippery compare to my Ascent, I came back in same route with my Ascent happily and with confidence. May be i should not compare model Y AWD with Subaru.. and I asked the sales person, does this has winter tire, he said yes, it has and its AWD.. i said ok thanks lol

[@TommyLGarage]

What tires did it have?

[@FirstGearCanada]

@@TommyLGarage I’m not sure but they would not have Chinese for sure . Its from showroom. So branded for sure

[@privateerburrows]

Wow! That's amazing! Good info for Canadians. Yes, winter tires are a huge factor; but traction control, or lack of it, is a huge factor too. I remember in Toronto I was driving on a multi-lane highway exchange that had a slight tilt to it, called banking; but it was totally iced, and the banking was a death sentence to traffic. All but one of the 4 or 5 lanes were blocked by cars that could not proceed forward. I was first in the only open lane, but a big sports car ahead and on the lane to my right was drifting into my lane. The driver was trying one miniscule attempt at a time to engage forward gear, and with each attempt the back of the car simply moved a few more inches to the left. After the fourth attempt, failed and its motion stopped, I hit the gas and flew forward past the poor fella. I was driving a Chrysler K-car, with front drive, which I bought precisely for that reason. Of course, even better than having traction where the weight of the engine is, is having distributed weight and all-wheel traction. And even better than that is when traction control is intelligent.

[@TommyLGarage]

Tesla has amazing traction control

[@mozbius]

I really didn't expect that. WOW!

[@flitsies]

What I find defying is why you simply don't buy a pair of shoe cleats to go over your shoes which would stop you sliding all over the place, assuming it gets lots of snow there, if you get the right type you can even drive in them they are not obstructive.

[@TommyLGarage]

But then how would I have been able to make a fun video??!! :)

[@flitsies]

@@TommyLGarage You could have taken it a whole other direction, the Tesla thing impressive, you on ice not so impressive, but you could have helped some who still don't understand how those cleats are so effective and and though a good demonstration of the car you could also have shown a great fun in the first instance demonstration of trying to walk on ice on a slope with normal shoes and then how good the cleats are even the cheap ones, and how you could easily still drive in them and if there are any safety issues with driving in them, or would you need to always take them off or just take one off, or even walking on the ice with only one on, many options to have fun with it. But let me say I'm not mocking your video it was interesting and surprising, but you could have gotten a lot more out of it. Perhaps something for your next video. Where I live we vary rarely get snow and though we get black ice the authorities are normally quick to clear it so we don't normally suffer the same problems as other places. In fact they are so quick to tackle these problems just the suggestion of snow and the trucks are out laying down salt and grit. But snow is rare, non this year not much ice either, but cold sometimes even though not that cold most of the time. It's weather that basically makes you sick a lot not one thing or the other, you over dress and sweat or under dress and feel cold.

[@89bazoly]

Wow. When the started to slide without the driver it tried to stop by itself. And did too, but maybe because of the dry patch. It was very risky to get out and have no control, especially with the other car there

[@TommyLGarage]

Definitely not my brightest moment

[@will3431]

It’s also the amount of pressure exerted on the contact patch. 4200lbs of model Y on not a very large contact patch which means very high pressure and can grip better on the ice. In comparison to your body weight (150-200lbs) over a fairly large contact patch (your two feet)

[@TommyLGarage]

Very good explanation! Thanks.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

This is not correct. At least not in this case with studdless tires. If the car had studded tires then the weight would help push the studs into the ice and increase grip. In this case the car is just hanging on frictional force. And while weight does increase the frictional force it also increases the breakaway force, the force that is trying to pull the car down the hill. The equation would be like this (m*g*my*cos(incline))/(m*g*sin(incline)) where m = mass , g = gravity , my = frictional coefficient of the tires and incline = angle of hill. If this equation is greater or equal to 1 the car stays in place. if not it will start to slide. You can see that the m and g are above and below the fractional stroke and will cancel out. This means that the mass does not matter. Only the my factor matters. The my factor would ofcourse depend on you tires. Summer tires on ice will have a very low my factor. Your shoes probably has a low factor on ice which is why you couldn't walk up the hill while the car was able to get up(Of course the car has traction control and such which helps it make the most of it's traction. When you start sliding there's not much you can do).

[@HumbertoYi0878]

I just want to find out what you did to shave 250 lbs off this car

[@Garrison169]

Ice will melt under high pressure. It would be interesting to know if the tire exerted sufficient pressure for it to make contact with the pavement. Also, a spinning tire will scrape away the ice. The tire will warm as it spins. There's a lot going on that is not apparent to the observer.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@Garrison169 surface pressure will be roughly the same as the pressure inside the tire, slightly higher but not much, which is not really that high. 2-3 atmospheres. It wont melt the ice.

[@maxflight777]

I live in Portugal so I don’t know why I’m watching this ! 😂 Reassuring though ! Should be good for pulling the SeaDoo up a slippery slipway !

[@TommyLGarage]

Portugal!!

[@stillhere153]

My guy I only watched this video to watch your excellent ice balance skills I would’ve been on the floor laid out

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha thanks !!

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

Tommy...this is physics 101 sir. Obviously...the wheels...have AWD TRACTION; at the rate of 60 cycles/second...there is Zero "instantsneous" sliding to be seen. Also...the weight Is enough to overcome the loss of friction. Also...ice still had a coefficient of friction...it'ds NOT zero. Dude...I'm a truck driver and can explain this. How do you live in a $600k house and can't?

[@gunnbr]

Very interesting video! But I think it's funny that you have so much time to grab a camera a film a bunch of stuff when you "don't have much time cause you have to take the kids somewhere." Every time we leave the house, we have 60 seconds to spare before we're late. 😆

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point!

[@allaboutthebonillas2137]

So I’m assuming the Michelin all season pilot sport tires are great for most snowy conditions?

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes. So far they've been amazing!

[@larsnystrom6698]

A very amusing video! A little water on the ice and it gets even more slippery.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thank you!!!

[@mimmipiggast2243]

And you have non-studded winter tyres, amazing and impressive!

[@TommyLGarage]

They’re actually all season tires

[@tedmoss]

@@TommyLGarage You quickly reach the limit of what all-season tires will do; still amazing and impressive as a total system.

[@brianroberts3312]

I have a Tesla MYP as well but to one of the points below, the car is only one factor. Check out some of the Michelin winter tire videos to see how they engineer the sipes in their tires so that you can get this type of traction. I have the X Ice tires on 19” wheels and they are amazing. I need the better stopping distance (compared to the all season tires) as I’m in New England and plan to go to NH/VT to ski. I suggest that you don’t push it too far on ice as I had a bad experience in a prior car where the temp drop below freezing while the rain changed to snow. That combination of wet snow over ice made it almost impossible to stop. Scary.

[@TommyLGarage]

These tires are incredible

[@beaconterraoneonline]

Its about the tires and then the vehicles ability send power to the wheels according to which ones are not slipping. Many cars do this.

[@TommyLGarage]

Gotcha

[@msain427]

Thought I was looking downhill and then I realized he was sliding in the opposite direction

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha yup !

[@Knights2theEnd]

Battery drains like crazy in single digit temperatures. Friend's model 3 lost 50miles overnight at 9 degrees Fahrenheit.

[@TommyLGarage]

Mine drains 12 miles per cold night

[@nick0780]

Great to see the tesla traction control at work. Thanks for video

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s amazing!

[@christianc5161]

I have stop watching this video my keyboard got ice from this.

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha

[@dachanist]

The level of surprise is positively correlated near one to the size of the driveway of the viewer.

[@TommyLGarage]

Lol I suppose

[@gvi341984]

EVs have instant torque at low RPM meaning slipping is easily modulated. Tires have no grip on ice unless they have studs on them.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point

[@basspig]

It's likely because power can be driven to all four wheels whereas typical cars only one wheel gets power and it's usually the wheel that slips.

[@TommyLGarage]

Great point

[@canyonero2050]

Bro my driveway is 3x as steep as yours and my 20 year old pickup truck drives up it in 4wd no problems when its covered in pure ice just like yours.

[@fumpercheezy]

I love Teslas don't get me wrong, but this test is not about being a Tesla, just modern cars (like almost all of them). It's just a good traction control system and tires. Any decent AWD or 4WD car, truck or SUV would have done the exact same thing .. just sayin'. Now in other regards Tesla tech is amazing and blows other cars out of the water, but this ice test isn't one of them.

[@TommyLGarage]

But ICE cars won't be able to control the torque as well as electric cars

[@ironfacemusic]

In Finland we have spiked rubbers so with those that hill would be easy to climb and even way steeper hills, though this is impressive that Tesla can do this ✊🏼

[@TommyLGarage]

I was amazed too :)

[@chrvids5846]

2:59 Why do the front wheels spin while the rear wheels are locked? I guess I always thought that putting it in park would lock both sets of wheels.

[@TommyLGarage]

I didn't do the full handbrake lock

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Finite control of wheel rotation comes free with AC electric drive. We are all used the ICE traction control as a benchmark which is orders of magnitude worse due to inertia of drive line and of course explosions being more difficult to control

[@TommyLGarage]

Can’t wait for the cyber truck !

[@alanmay7929]

Wrong, you are definitely wrong about your argument. Subaru, Audi and others strongly disagree with you.

[@jeromeandre4915]

Nice mint Muska board in the Garage (y) - great video Tommy.

[@TommyLGarage]

And it’s autographed by him too :)

[@jeromeandre4915]

@@TommyLGarage Nice one!

[@jeromeandre4915]

Chad Musk, hey hey, check this out:

[@scottm2527]

Good thing you weren’t standing behind it when it rolled back! You may wanna buy some bags of salt Tom !

[@georgeantoun9469]

I think you should factor in the center of gravity of the Tesla car compared to other cars as well, the car is well "situated" on a surface due to its relative low C.G. which to an extent increases it's "relative grip" over black ice...... torque too I believe is another aspect (when the car is moving up a slippery slope), the electric motor has "more" torque at lower speeds than an ICE engine.

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s a good point!!

[@freedomtochoose9661]

Hi, I did it with my Saab 96 V4 1968 . It was 1974. Blackise and up to hill.

[@TommyLGarage]

FWD?

[@freedomtochoose9661]

@@TommyLGarage No Frontwheel drive

[@yes3858]

2022 model 3 made it through hurricane (heavy rain and 50+mph wind gusts) in Florida no problem at speed limit.

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s impressive!!!

[@MortekX]

Winter tires should be always better in winter than all season. And smaller rims in case yopu hit the curb. A lot of ice takes lot of salt to melt but if you mix salt with sand that makes your grip much better. Nice vid.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point!

[@ElliotEzrah]

That one tesla hater: "THIS IS EDITED 😡"

[@TommyLGarage]

Lmao so true