How Rogue One Succeeds where other Disney Star Wars Movies Fail

Rogue One is one of the best new Star Wars movies, and does things that no other new Star Wars Canon movies have managed to do... we cover all that and more on today's Star Wars video!
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[@alexistaylor9092]

I think everyone crapped their pants at the Vader scene.

[@reborn1714]

I didn't

[@wjbt3]

I thought I was going to explode, so hyped

[@nathandsouza1180]

I did not

[@eugenesesmaiii3278]

Everyone in my theater sure did! 😆

[@wjbt3]

@@eugenesesmaiii3278 must've been a stinky theater 🤭🤣

[@geniemiki]

What I loved about Rogue One is that it was a Star Wars film that felt like a war drama finally. The galaxy isn't all about space wizzards. Sometimes it's about common men and women trying to achieve uncommon objectives.

[@echo-eh8jz]

I think it could've been even MORE like a war film. I heard an idea where it is just some rebel soldiers are fighting on scarif, not knowing of any real objective, suddenly they get orders to infiltrate the tower, and take the death star plans. The plans are also a physical thing, and they are not transmitted, then then have to find their way off the planet. I think making the main character the daughter of the creator of the death star wars a bad idea, it made the character too important. I think it would've been better if it was just an average rebel. Its still a great film though!

[@lewanbroski504]

@@echo-eh8jz I'm glad they did it the way they did it nothing took me out of focus going "this is weird", Jynn might have been important in terms of the movie but that's a good thing because even she dies for the cause showing even those of import and those without can do something

[@codyraugh6599]

@@lewanbroski504 still what he said, kinda wish there was a film with a similar feel to Republic Commando.

[@jotto5866]

this is exactly why I loved the clone wars animated 3D serie as well. Yes there is a lot of heroic Jedi stuff going on, but they also shine a big light on all the politics and the war going on which were always my favorite parts.

[@Name-nw9uj]

exactly, star wars should really embrace that style of storytelling. it's called "star *wars"* not "star *wizards"*

[@EXPowerBlast]

I honestly would have preferred if Disney only made anthology films like Rogue One, and not a sequel trilogy.

[@morrisho6450]

Agreed

[@Droptima15]

Agreed, we dont need more in the skywalker story. Not everything needs to be connected to them or even existing characters. There is so much starwars lore they can build from.

[@sharilshahed6106]

I think people would still see those as cashgrabs and could not get invested in those movies either, mostly for the lack of characters to latch on. Knowing Disney, they wont be totally wrong to think the former, as there would likely have been a dozen of those films by now and only a few of them being decent, and Disney not giving enough effort for the latter either. IMO making a new trilogy was the right call. Disney just didnt have any idea or direction to go about it. Should've waited a couple more years at least to properly flesh this out.

[@amel3457]

The Skywalker saga should have ended at 6. the should have made anthology films in the after ROTJ era

[@TJ-nz8oc]

@@amel3457 I agree it flows well together the first 6 films.

[@devindubay7911]

The Death Star looks menacing, it feels like an actual WAR movie!!! Let’s not forget that they added the most iconic villain that started this whole series!!!! The Darth Vader scenes gives me absolute chills!!!! James Earl Jones is back as Darth Vader!!!!

[@devindubay7911]

The music is sooo good

[@furimindustries3410]

Straight facts mate!

[@347Jimmy]

It really was a proper war movie, disposable heroes and all It's pretty much The Dirty Dozen in space, in a really good way

[@TheDruidicThief]

People complaining about not enough light sabers bugs me since the jedi are known as extinct at the time of the empire and most lightsabers were destroyed and thats why rouge one is good in my opinion. Like the Mandalorian there isn’t a jedi or lightsaber duels

[@Gala-yp8nx]

Aidan Porter I think people were just bummed out that they didn’t get to see Donnie Yen with a Lightsaber.

[@shaunbrender]

I really don't care what others say but I loved Rogue One and it is probably my favourite non-original trilogy star wars movie.

[@jackm.7094]

Yeah it’s awesome I honestly prefer Solo but it’s also good

[@_KayWoah]

Same, it's definitely in my top 3. I love Rogue One so much.

[@phurian_6560]

Who would hate Rogue One though?

[@jackm.7094]

Phurian _ good question

[@CABRALFAN27]

It's definitely top tier for me, as is the Mandalorian. It's not that all Disney SW content is bad, it's just that the main trilogy and a few other key entries (Namely Battlefront 2 and the Aftermath Trilogy) were bad, which makes the good feel like the exception rather than the rule. If the bad stuff wasn't so major, it'd probably be like 50/50 between the bad and the good.

[@terronjoiner9222]

“My then girlfriend...” Me: Awww that sucks “...now wife Kelsey” Me: Ohhhhh okay. Congrats.

[@GumaroRVillamil]

My very first date with my ex was Rogue One. Unfortunately, by Episode 8 we had broken up :(

[@jaspertaylor2810]

@@GumaroRVillamil F

[@tohkenghoe]

All wives are ex girlfriends!

[@Mystic-Midnight]

That was exactly me I was like Awww and then AHHHHHHH

[@kenetickups6146]

@@GumaroRVillamil Goddammit last jedi, as if it wasn't bad enough

[@SamuraiPie8111]

the victory in Rise of Skywalker doesn't feel deserved. the Sith fleet didn't even fight back, they just blew up ships like fish in a barrel. in Rogue One the rebels overcame incredible odds.

[@CptPhilippnes]

And they lost their heaviest fleet elemets on Scarif reducing them to two fighter squadrons when New Hope rolled around.

[@calvinhuddleston576]

I dont even know whether to say they truly overcame the odds, yes it was technically a victory but the rebels sacrificed almost their entire fleet including their flagship and still barely made away with the plans, and i love rogue one for that, really shockingly rips away the rebels plot armor

[@CptPhilippnes]

@@calvinhuddleston576 I guess if you weigh the destruction of the seemingly unstoppable Death Star with over a million troops, thousands of starfighters and vehicles and over billions worth of durasteel over probably one cell's star fleet, I think they did gain more than they lost over Scarif.

[@calvinhuddleston576]

@@CptPhilippnes talking about the battle of scarif they completed their objectives which were the death star plans yet the losses they took at it were the majority of their force, i'd be hard pressed to call any battle where they lost almost their entire fleet a victory

[@theterminalstupidityvariet1629]

UhH nO tHe SiTh EtErNaL fOuGhT bAcK tHeY sHoT dOwN a B-wInG aNd ThAt OnE gUy PoE wAs FrIeNdS wItH tHeSe ToXiC fAnS sMh

[@DoctorWortspieler]

One of the many things I really appreciated about "Rogue One" was how it really made the Death Star into the weapon of *terror* the Empire intended it to be. In the original "Star Wars," the Death Star is introduced as WMD capable of destroying a planet, informing the audience of the kind of power the Empire has. It later demonstrates the full power by destroying the pacifist planet of Alderaan, the homeworld of our heroine Leia. It gets the point across that the Empire are bad people with a bad weapon, but it lacks the emotional torque you would expect from an onscreen act of genocide. Meanwhile, in "Rogue One," the Death Star manages to be more terrifying than any other planet-killer appearance in Star Wars when it uses its lowest setting to destroy a single city. One part is because the target is a location the audience has seen and the characters have visited, making its destruction and the lives lost more real. Second, we see the destruction from the ground perspective, the oncoming wall of destruction that the heroes just barely manage to escape in time, really cementing the kind of threat the Death Star is. Furthermore, the blast from the Death Star creates a wave of destruction not unlike an erupting volcano or meteor impact, vividly showing that the Empire views itself as a force of nature. The icing of the cake is the way the Death Star eclipsed the sun before firing, an event described in many ancient cultures as an ill omen. So yeah, Vader wasn't the only one in "Rogue One" to remind us how scary they can be.

[@zoebrugg7594]

Me and Dad are doing a Thanksgiving S.W. marathon, and I can see the different tones in both. Rogue makes you feel that tension and horror, while New Hope feels like a heroic journey. Which it is. Both stories have different story tones, which does make the transitions like going from lemonade to chocolate milk. Not saying New Hope is bad, it's one of the best films created, but it's just the transition between the two stories are noticeably different. An I think they should have thought of that for the end of Rogue, and matched it more with New Hope...and found a look alike actors rather then CGI, those faces won't hold up.

[@sharilshahed6106]

to expand on your argument, there was a deleted scene that could have made Rogue One even more bleaker. It being the Death Star firing shown from the view of the citizens of Jedha. Just imagine if it was there..

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

@@sharilshahed6106 I liked the battle cry of the gun ship was "For Jedha!" Luke and the gang were the plucky heroes. Rogue One was the people in the background doing the dirty work in the shadows. A hard grind to weakening the monolithic and vast empire. Still, even in 1977 they should have shown the shock and horror a person would experience seeing their planet destroyed.

[@randomcoyote8807]

Agreed. Having the Death Star showing up on the distant horizon, a looming menace shrouded in atmospheric haze, as the giant gun dish slowly turned towards the target like an angry Cyclops... that was excellent imagery, too.

[@kalynaq7720]

Wooooord. I have a mad love for any movie with a mushroom cloud (i am not proud) but things like that add to Rogue One's fantastic sense of scale. I think it's the only non-orig-tridge Star Wars to come close (or, i think, surpass) the feeling of hugeness of the originals. That tower feels gigantic, taking a run at it with a couple of friends is madness. So we know the dogfight happening around it is bigger than that but it still feels dangerous. I have to think everyone in those little ships are very accomplished pilots. And then we have to know that the fighting at the shield portal is larger still. All the rebel capital ships jumping in? That feels, appropriately, like aircraft carriers doing ballet. I think the flick does this by all the little ways it shows things in relation to one another. The hammerhead maneuver is unspeakably sweet for what it is, but it also lets us know that star destroyers are frikkin' huge. I don't think they did a bad job with the dreadnaughts in ep8 but i don't have a feeling for how much bigger than star destroyers they probably are, it would take a lot more visual work to sell that.

[@4str0m3ch]

Arguably, R1 has a purer look at the spiritual side of Star Wars, from the POV of a non-Force user's interpretation of the beliefs and mythos.

[@IceSpoon]

Unrelated: I never saw Rogue One typed as a joystick button, and it's strange.

[@mikulaszach2652]

i was seriously thinking, what droid or starfighter is R1.😂😂 I've just never seen anybody write Rogue One in this style

[@senatorluxbonteri6065]

100% though you meant the PS4 button there for a sec

[@ericgrimes341]

I actually thought IP mans role of a non saber wielding force adapt gives the lay Star Wars person a bigger picture of the universe. Not every force sensitive was conscripted into Sith or Jedi. I thought turning your companions into jedis in the Knights of the Old Republic is a good representation of that idea too. For instance: Anton in KOTOR II. Counts cards from a mini game in his head when he is just dallying around the ship. He does this to mask his actual thoughts from Jedis\Siths. That is the trait of a force sensitive. Before the wide spread use of the internet I realized I could turn him into a Jedi, and I did. It was only when I replayed the game a couple years ago, I realized the whole crew are force sensitive. 😂 😂 😂

[@Mega-Brick]

It's definitely more in-tune with ANH's presentation of the Force than the other movies, too. In ANH it doesn't come off as "space magic" as much as like, intuition or a higher understanding.

[@giantslayer9335]

Rogue One: The Movie with the least amount of plot armor ever

[@echodelta2172]

idk the blind dude coulda gotten schwacked way earlier and the the heavy weapons guy was shown to literally be using an aimbot

[@dadian803]

@@echodelta2172 For Chirrut (blind dude) he probably is force sensitive. Not that strong just like the Jedi but can definitely use a portion of the Force to enhance his skills. As for Baze I don't really know, there are people who are like that but yeah he has strong anti stormtrooper aim.

[@mojosiesta9821]

@@echodelta2172 baze is exclone so he's a beast like Jango or commander rex

[@awesomeguy9513]

It also had a likeable characters with good story. K2SO was my favourite and a better companion/side character than what the other 3 movies offered, they butchered Flynn and made Ray a demi plot god

[@mojosiesta9821]

@@awesomeguy9513 demi plot god actually is way more descriptive than Mary Sue! Nice one

[@Jermster_91]

Rogue Two: A Star Wars Story. "Many bothans died to bring us this information"

[@willmendoza8498]

Sold

[@lajoyalobos2009]

I've wanted this story even before Rogue One!

[@DZatheus]

I can already tell that one of the bothans that didn't make it knew the Second Death Star was operative.

[@MattManDX1]

The best part is that according to the Thrawn Trilogy the Bothans were a bunch of sneaky assholes who used their spywork on getting the second Death Star plans as leverage for making their race one of the head honchos in the New Republic. There's some fun political intrigue stuff they could do with that. If Rogue One was a real war film then Rogue Two can be a real spy thriller

[@Jermster_91]

@@DZatheus I mean the opening of Battlefront 2 involves Imperial Special forces getting captured and deleting that information

[@privatehudson516]

I am still surprised that Sequel apologists have the audacity to say “oh people didn't like Rose Tico because she's Asian”, even though The Last Jedi came RIGHT AFTER Rogue One which featured TWO asians in the 6 main characters, and the fans LOVED them ( especially Donnie Yen)

[@abeed87]

Who also had sexual chemistry. I mean it always seemed like Baze had a thing for chirrut and it didn’t matter that they were both males.

[@hassathunter2464]

Not so surprising. They also pull the "hate female leads" and "hate all thing Disney" AND "Dislike TFA and TLJ. No pleasing SW fans!" all with RO right there :/

[@MisterLongShot_Official]

"My character got nerfed because I'm black" No, your character was poorly written and acted, and you lost popularity. Plus the third sequel had to fix the first two, and they ran out of time for your supporting story. Sorry bud. That's the problem with Disney, they want every character to be your favorite, to the point it feels like they're FORCING you to like them. It's not natural feeling.

[@jasonhenry8067]

@@MisterLongShot_Official I thought the guy who played Finn did fine, it’s just he really didn’t have a lot to work with, he was my favorite character in the first movie. I don’t really have a favorite anything from the other two movies.

[@nickmitsialis]

@@jasonhenry8067 Somebody did some 'repair work' on TFA and felt 'early on', Poe AND Finn should have stayed together and 'team' slogged thru Jakku to find BB8 when they run into Rey. So when they find The 'Falcon', Poe can fly anything, Finn can shoot because he's still been programmed to be a soldier and Rey is plucky and technically adept but a loner and they all sort of distrust one another at first.

[@MELODYMUNRO]

I was 12 when I saw SW in theatre in 1977. If I had the superpower to transport every younger fan to that theatre, to experience what it was like in 77 I would. The audience literally let out a collective gasp when the cruiser flew overhead in the opening sequence. ... and during the credits the whole audience stood and applauded until the curtain closed. It was the most fun I have ever had seeing a film, I smiled all the way through. The only SW film since the OT which has made me smile is Rogue One. I am also a fan of the Clone Wars and Rebels animated series, as well as the Mandalorian. - those shows for me capture the spirit of SW and honour the story telling and world building of Lucas.

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

Hmm, I don't remember any of that,...but then I was six. ,...and at a drive-in. :-)

[@sailornova4686]

Well if you teleported all the kids to 77 i think they would find it as a bad movie because the cgi back then was lest developed but I don't even know if kids care about cgi nowadays

[@HectorSanchez-yc1fi]

*laughs in Disney plus*

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

@@sailornova4686 There was no cgi in '77.

[@sailornova4686]

@@lookingforwookiecopilot There was but star wars only used it in the meeting scene

[@sambradley7393]

I think the main difference is that Rouge One had the balls to be completely original

[@goodputin4324]

Rogue, not rouge.

[@sambradley7393]

@@goodputin4324 *facepalm*

[@Crampsam]

Original doesn’t automatically mean good. The prequels are quite original at points and they suck ass

[@talal6983]

@@goodputin4324 FACEPALM

[@goodputin4324]

@@talal6983 🤔

[@Mgauge]

I enjoyed that Rogue One showed just what a galaxy without Jedi looks like: dark, brutal, and willing to sacrifice anyone on either side for victory. The stars were just normal people without a laser sword to be found and victory against the overwhelming power of the Empire was all but impossible. It took the lives of everyone involved just to get information needed for the first major victory against the Empire out. It pulled the scale inwards and made the galaxy feel much bigger than any of the main characters. Really showing that they were just a small part of a much bigger story, but still important all the same. Something that the other movies, especially the sequels, often fail to do.

[@nooneknowsidc]

Nah, mate the jedi are a cult

[@barozzi_]

@@nooneknowsidc I agree

[@barozzi_]

Honestly, the Empire really wasn't that bad. The main movies make the Empire look so evil, but I disagree. There is many reasons why I think this. Such as that the Republic wasn't working. The Republic may have been functional a long time ago, but during the time of the Prequels we don't get to see it that way. Evidence of this is that they allowed corporations such as the Trade Federation to become even more powerful than them. The Republic didn't have a centralized military until they created the clones (which was pretty immoral, but that's a different conversation). The Empire increased the Galactic economy. When the Clone Wars ended, and the Empire was created, the Empire gave normal working people a focus again, while stopping the Galaxy from falling into chaos because of what the Trade Federation left. The Empire did this by taking assets of non-operational companies that backed the CIS like the Trade Federation and creating co-operative companies that employed many many people, it started the manufacturing industry, and also distributed wealth better. Most Imperial ships, weapons etc were made by these companies. This created lots of jobs and brought wealth to poorer planets. This improved the economy and is why most Imperial citizens were happy during Imperial rule, for the most part their quality of life went up. The Empire also isn't as 'brutal' as most people seem to believe. Most of their 'brutality' that we see is against the Rebels, which makes sense because they are at war with them. You don't see them brutalizing normal law abiding Imperial citizens. Although there is one act that I do disagree with, and the is the destruction of Alderaan. Even though Alderaan was a Rebel planet, there were obviously normal civilians on it, but think of it kind of like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In legends, even the Emperor was surprised Tarkin chose Alderaan, an inner wealthy planet. The Empire itself isn't evil, but it's pretty certain that Palpatine himself is 'evil' (like him manipulating Anakin to become Vader and them putting him in a painful suit forever), but he's not as evil as the movies make him seem (and I'm not including him returning in ROS (episode 9) because I don't consider that canon, and it's obviously just Disney not knowing the lore and being money hungry that they chose to bring him back, so what he does in ROS isn't included here because that is non-canon). But anyways. Emperor Palpatine wasn't just a one dimensional 'bad guy'. Sure he wears black robes and can shoot lightning out of his hands and has unnatural eyes so to the casual viewer he may seem totally evil, but it's not that simple. Palpatine's goal from the start was to make a Government less given into infighting and squabbling (like the Republic) which would slow ambition and progress. But he also had plans from the beginning to protect the Galaxy and her people from future threats (the Yuuzhan Vong) which the Republic wouldn't be able to fight. The Yuuzhan Vong (in legends) are brutal species that were so warlike they killed their entire galaxy, hundreds of trillions dead. They were so brutal that their entire race was cut off from the Force. In Star Wars, every being technically has the Force, whether they believe in it or not, but the Yuuzhan Vong don't. After they killed their galaxy they started to travel to another galaxy (the main Star Wars galaxy), and since they didn't have light speed yet, they had to travel at sub-light speed. So their entire race was traveling in the void of space for thousands of years. Palpatine was able to see the future with the Force, and saw the threat of the Vong (the Chiss (Grand Admiral Thrawn's race) also foresaw this. This is one of the reasons that Palpatine created the Empire, the Death Star, why he made the Empire pump out more Star Destroyers than could be armed. The Republic didn't have a centralized military and it would be basically impossible for them to deal with this. The Yuuzhan Vong found out about the Empure and the sheer power it had. So they waited to invade the Galaxy, they waited for the Rebels to kill Palpatine and weaken the Empire (the Empire wasn't completely destroyed after the battle of Endor, and I'm not taking about the First Order because they aren't the Empire and are barely canon), but the Vong waited a little to long as the New Republic also accepted the reality of this threat, and so the New Republic and Imperial remnants made an alliance. So this is obviously a simplified version, because I can't say all of it, but it shows that Palpatine wasn't 100% evil, as he was preparing for this threat that would cause hundreds of trillions of deaths. The Empire also made the Galaxy a lot safer. Palpatine preparing for threats that would emerge after he is no longer around a one proof that the Empire was truly committed on making the Galaxy a safer place. The Empire was committed to eliminating crime. For example them trying to curb the power of the Hutts, a criminal group that did smuggling, trafficking and more. The Empire also put more forces on the ground to reduce strest-level crime. Planets without a big Stormtrooper presence are full of theft, murder, gangs etc, which leaves normal Imperial Citizens in danger. The presence of Stormtroopers no doubt reduces crime (and before you joke about "lol Stormtroopers no aim", Stormtroopers are very much able to aim, as you have to go through extensive training to join the Stormtrooper Corps (also the Stormtrooper Corps is not the entire Imperial army, think of them liek the Marines, just a lot bigger, normal Imperial soldiers are less armoured but also more camouflaged. One of the reasons Stormtroopers aren't camouflaged is because they aren't the main ones fighting in battles, even though they still fight in battles, and are shown in the main movies more often than the normal Imperial army. Stormtroopers are there to keep peace and order, Stormtroopers are mostly used as the main police force in the Star wars Galaxy (also this does not include anything any First Order "Stormtrooper" has done because I'm talking about Imperial Stormtroopers which are very different)). When the Rebels won and the New Republic was formed, they did what the Old Republci did, basically ignored the Outer Rim. There was no main force that pushed more law and order (like Stormtroopers), crime was much more rampant under the New Republuc than it was under the Empire. Even the Imperial remnants handled it better (I'm not talking about the first Order). There was also over one million people on the Death Star when the rebels destroyed it, and not all were millitary. There were janitors, maintenance, kids on field trips etc. In the Star Wars Galaxy the destruction of the Death Stars would be seen like how we see 9/11. (Also the vast majority of normal people in the Galaxy were pro-Imperial rather than pro-Rebel). People in the Imperial millitary are real people, with their own family and backstory etc and aren't really evil. Behind the Stormtrooper's helmet is a real person. The Empire didn't use clones like the Republic did for their army. And Imperial citizen could join the Imperial army for whatever their reason is. Whether they needed money, or they needed to provide to their family, (the Imperial army paid pretty good), whether for their own glory or for whatever reason, they can enlist, and keep the galaxy a safer place. People insist that every person even remotely connected to the Imperial millitary is some evil warlord, when most are just ordinary people working their ordinary job in their countries millitary (The Empire was the ligitement Government of the Galaxy, not some evil force trying to takeover the Galaxy (like the First Order pretenders). I don't think the Empire is comparable to the Nazis as some people think. Sure, maybe when Goerge Lucas was writing A New Hope this was his original intention, but Star Wars has expanded so much from then that this is an outdated comparison. The Empire did away with clones. The Republic producing clones as for their military was certainly immoral. People need for war that only lives for 30/40 years (because of increased ageing). Clones weren't even allowed to be Republic citizens. The Empire actually brought a technological revolution. The Republic was made up of outdated systems, so they were lacking technologically. One of the reasons the Trade Federation became so powerful is that they were puching technology further, and the Republic, not so much. The Empire also pushed technology very far. Out of necessity, and pride. There are many more reasons I can go over, these are just a few, and I think it's fairly unpopular. And I'm not necessarily hating on the main characters in the original trilogy, they're fun movies to watch. But if you look realistically the Empire is better. If you lived in the Star Wars Galaxy you would probably want to live on an Imperial planet than a non-Imperial one.

[@Akirashiro407]

@@barozzi_ man... That's a long speech but i agree with you, the Empire mode the whole galaxy unified and could protect it. The small planet would have protection if they in a imperial rule rather than non imperial rule but honestly other than to defend the galaxy from Yuuzhan Vong Palpatine just want to rule the galaxy himself but other than that i think the galaxy would be safer under imperial rule

[@starstuds]

@@barozzi_ Three things, one I can believe I just read that. Two, Im impressed that was no edits right there. And three, I absolutely agree with you, although I don't get why the Empire chose Aldderan, they should have chosen a more Isolated planet or a moon that has no sentient life, I would think that would make people less angry because they didn't kill innocent civilians.

[@aacmbirdzilla2343]

You know Disney really screwed it up when a side story of the saga is thousands of times better than the entire new MAIN trilogy

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Actually it's not uncommon for side stories to be better than the main story. Just look at the Universal Century for Gundam. I would say without a doubt in my mind that the side story series blow the main story ones out of the water most of the time.

[@fr0ck360]

Same I love the droid in Rogue one, especially excited to see other droids like it in Fallen order

[@andrein_501st]

Funny how we get more original ship designs in Rogue One than the sequels combined.

[@spartandud3]

Interesting a while ago I actually counted how much new stuff Rogue One featured compared to the Sequel Trilogy. The trilogy does actually have more stuff... if you count the slight variations on existing stuff like X/A/Y/B Wings and Tie Fighters. And stuff like that. If you include only completely original stuff then RO comes out ahead.

[@dennisthefivestarman8177]

The only thing that goes against what you said is the battle of Exegol, but they just had an AI kitbash a bunch of things and it’s why so many look poorly

[@citamcicak]

@@spartandud3 Battle of Scarif broke my imersion, so I only watched Rogue One only once, so I might have missed some new models. I only remember 1 new capital ship, 1 new sub-capital ship 2 new shuttles, 1 new AT model, 1 new tank and 1 new fighter in Rogue One. New triology has 4 new capital ships(here not counting xyston class), 2 new sub-capital ships, 6 new fighters/bombers, 2 unarmored attack "bikes", 3 new shuttles and 1 new AT.

[@urru6385]

spartandud3 I wouldn’t count recoloring TIE fighters as new. The X-wing is the same but with the engines looking bulkier from the front, A wings were almost the same iirc, same for Y wings (which I’m guessing they reused the RO models) , and were there even any B-wings around?

[@arandomdino]

If you look at original, unique designs though for ships in the sequel trilogy you have 2 fighters (dagger Tie Fighter, TIE Silencer,) 3 shuttles (AAL, Kyle Ren’s shuttle, resistance transport) and five new capitals (Resurgent, Mandator, Supremacy, Resistance Cargo Ship and bunkerbuster cruiser, also the resistance bomber. Every thing else was basically a re-skin of original trilogy models. While this is more than Rogue One, most of the ships looked terrible (resistance transport) or were designed terribly (mandator). But this was across 3 movies in a (now) unexplored era, while rogue one was days before A New Hope. Plus it’s designs are iconic and look good.

[@Iybraesil]

Rogue One isn't without it's flaws. I'd say the characters are the weakest part. But that characters are just a face to put to the Rebels at that time. The third act is nothing but hype. It's fantastic. My favorite Star wars movie.

[@parodysam]

They’re just Noble team without the personality

[@RyanBLKST]

Still, I can relate to Jyn Erso far more easily than to Rey. You know where she comes from and how she does what she does

[@plaguemaster308]

I liked the characters

[@plaguemaster308]

The idea of right and wrong orders & human emotion coming into that, guilt etc, even if your a rebel. "You might as well be a stormtrooper" "How can you stand to see the imperial flag reign across the galaxy" "not a problem if you don't look up" jyn perspective on war "all it ever brought me is pain" "I've been in this fight since I was six years old!"

[@Toon_Lucario]

Yeah well they’re characters that don’t appear in the OT, they’re expendable

[@RogueJedi501]

It’s because Gareth Edwards knows how to direct a movie lol but in all seriousness, it’s because it kept true to Star Wars, it had the Lucas feel to it

[@WozWozEre]

Google how Gareth Edwards got replaced on the Rogue One shoot. His direction was apparently awful and the movie was a mess until extensive reshoots saved it.

[@dadian803]

@@WozWozEre I wouldn't say it's a "disaster". I think Gareth's original plan was more dark and decided to have the Rogue One crew picked off one by one or something. Kathleen didn't like that and hired someone to have it toned down a bit. It's evident in the teaser trailer you see Jyn and Cassian running to a transmission tower with the plans. Scarif was a high profiled storage unit for the Empire and to even access those you would go to a ton of checkpoints just like in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation. But what we got was great nonetheless.

[@kanaric]

2nd sequel movie had the lucas feel to it, the 1999 lucas feel. This had the 1980s feel like Empire which wasn't directed by lucas.

[@xdalic4283]

@@WozWozEre this is known to be false and gareth has spoken about what really happened, and he also working on a new movie called "true love" and has no plans to work for star wars again.

[@dexaphobia8085]

@@kanaric you’re not seriously talking about the last Jedi are you

[@sergeantspam51]

Rogue one is proof that Disney can make a great star wars movie, it is just that sometimes they just do not try.

[@1014p]

Lets start with the director problem. They need to stop trying to invent in a universe they know nothing about. Ample material exists to make real as opposed to shitting out an un-logical sequence or pushing a love couple.

[@TheOmegazerox]

Gotta agree. After 7 I was like okay Disney can't do star wars. Then rogue 1 comes along and I decide ok. The sequel trilogy may be bad but rogue 1' mandolorian and even solo showed Disney does have some creative minds working with them.

[@geniusgamerr4517]

Well drinker did say Rian Johnson is a simpleton writer. Which waste time, and it undermine everything Luke has done. If not the Last Jedi could have done better.

[@georgecampbell9638]

“Do or do not. There is not try.” -Master Yoda

[@JITCompilation]

It's only _indirectly_ Disney's fault that the sequel trilogy was bad, because they hired J. J. Abrams to do the sequel triology when his only directing success was disappointing at best and the rest of his work is just utter dogcrap. They failed to put Star Wars in the hands of people who care about the franchise, like Filoni and Favreau. But I think Disney is course correcting and going to hire better talent for future movies, since they realize that a Star Wars movie isn't going to be successful _just_ because it's Star Wars. The community is more critical than that.

[@lylehepworth901]

a "rougue one" style movie set in the clone wars era would be epic. just imagine an hour and a half to 2 hours of following around clone commandos and really looking in depth to the lives of other clone troopers.

[@evanroberts2771]

The thing is we want to see things we haven't seen...

[@furimindustries3410]

No Jedi, no Sith, no politics, just good old war movie about our boys in white. The good old predecessor to our bucket headed stormtroopers of the Empire. Personally, I would prefer a movie focusing more on more regular clones then commandos, kinda like Band of Brothers, I know in that they were Airborne but I just would love to see a movie like it about rank and file clones.

[@wd3185]

God, I would love to see a live-action Clone Wars movie. Imagine a Rogue One Vader-style scene but with Grievous, in lieu of his 2003 protrayal.

[@halcionkoenig243]

Clone Commando Movie with some "experimental tech" thrown in for good measure.

[@reggiekoestoer1511]

Exactly, Disney was sitting on a golden egg all this time, and never realized it. The Clone Wars era is a perfect setting for a war story focusing on clones. Or clone commandos. No magic powers or flashy laser swords. Just guts and steel, and brotherhood. The clones are universally loved by SW fans anyway, just make anything in clone trooper flavor and it'll be an instant hit. Forget Solo or the sequel trilogy circus, "501st: a Clone Wars Story" wouldn't sound so bad

[@themadmachad1079]

Funny how the spin-off films were more loved than the sequel trilogy.

[@roterex9115]

Solo flopped (Edit) please people read the whole thread where i have explained my dislike for solo to many other commenters my inbox doesn't need to be filled with the fact that it came out after tlj.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Film*

[@themadmachad1079]

Joel Perry, Still a better movie than the sequels ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also The Iron Giant flopped, yet its an incredible film. Not saying Solo is on that level, but just because it failed to meet expectations financially doesn’t mean it’s shit.

[@wolfieinu]

Makes sense IMO. The audience can tell when the moviemakers have a passion for the source material. We can also tell when they don't. Episode VII was still passable because Abrams relished the chance to be the one to set the new trilogy on its way. VIII was terrible because it was a vehicle for Rian Johnson's various personal vendettas. And I didn't even see IX but apparently it was very rushed and crowded and not that satisfying. Maybe because Abrams was shanghaied into doing it at all, and he was less inspired to make something new than he was to retcon Johnson shitting all over VII with VIII. Not that JJ Abrams of Lost fame is ever the best choice to end a series.

[@roterex9115]

@@themadmachad1079 i have no argument (for the first part it's still a bad star wars movie)

[@vaporwave4880]

I'm 47 and old enough that ive seen the original trilogy in theatres. Rogue One is my favourite Star Wars film (or at least tied with Empire). I honestly think it's that good. Blew me away.

[@mikeljackson9192]

R1 and Empire are my 2 favorite Star Wars creations. Clone Wars is up there too. I’m enjoying Mandalorian right now as well. Prequel trilogy has grown on me after Clone Wars and Rebels added more layers to it. I thought the Extended Universe/Legends stories were way better than the canon Disney Sequels and Solo stand alone

[@moxieme1174]

It blew me away too! Especially the ending. Loved it! 😁😁

[@jaspervandergeest2421]

my second favorite, just behind ROTS

[@floseatyard8063]

So you are telling me, you were 3 and yet you understood a new hope and its plot very clearly and enjoyed the theatres?

[@vaporwave4880]

@@floseatyard8063 I was almost 5, and though I wouldn’t have vividly remembered that first showing of Star Wars, I know it changed my life forever. I saw them all multiple times and collected action figures throughout my childhood.

[@TheAngrySaxon1]

Rogue One was easily the best Star Wars movie since the OT, and was exactly the kind of Star Wars movie I wanted from Disney.

[@Fried2221]

@@Theosake Disney didn’t make roj

[@sorsocksfake]

@@Theosake RotS is quite okay, easily the best of the prequels. It of course scores bonus points for being the end of the story. Even so, I'd rate it behind the OT and R1. Would be interesting to see how votes are measured though. At this point we all know there are different fanbases, some more vocal than others, and some voting systems get rigged outright. I would expect that older fans prefer the OT while younger fans rate RotS higher than it. Even if just because the OT is in many ways...rather primitive. It's a general thing with art... we objectively get better at it, yet something seems to be lost. Younger people often can't handle old movies and music because it's sub-standard.

[@YXVAJZER]

Yes best film with non-logic bombers👏👏

[@thomashisted5984]

@@sorsocksfake Very true. I watched the OT first as a young gen z before even knowing there were any other star wars movies and still prefer them to RotS. Whereas, for example, I don't like older video games which may have been a lot "better" in many ways than the more modern ones because I don't have any emotional attachment but also because I played the more modern halos and the new battlefronts and call of duties before I played the older ones, so my expectations were higher. In many ways, it's similar to the way different generations view different variations of their favourite series. My emotional attachment in the star wars series is to the OT because I watched them first and as a young boy that really affected my life. On the other hand, the PT was not anywhere near as life-changing because I had begun to see movies with a different perspective. I still believe I would have appreciated the OT less if I had watched the other movies first.

[@stickyfingers4217]

The phantom menace is better

[@Dyundu]

I think one of the biggest reasons for Motive’s heavy use of the MC-75 in Squadrons is its ventral launch bay. Both the MC-75 and the ISD launch and collect their fighters from the underside, which a) keeps things consistent for players regardless of their faction, and b) saves on programming costs and time. Add in the fan appreciation for Rogue One, and it’s a smart move all around.

[@richardgaldos6901]

.... Now it all makes sense lol. I was so confused on why we see the MC80 in the campaign but we use the MC75, probably the only Rebel design I actually dont like. That would actually explain it. I can appreciate it then if that was the reason.

[@joelellis7035]

Ah, nothing says "she's a keeper" more than suffering through food poisoning with you.

[@mikelramirez2585]

The reason why many people love the U-wing is because the rebels really needed their own transport ship, the Empire have the lambda variants, the republic the laat and the cis HMP droid, not only that but the ship's design is amazing and unique and it also blends seamlessly with the rebels fleet, I always thought the U-wing was like a scrapped rebel wing from the first movies, props to the designer for such amazing ship!

[@bluerisk]

Rogue one also fits perfectly in the canon: How the rebels got the blueprints of the Death Stars, and why the Empire was on their heels...or why a single X-fighter could serve a deadly blow.

[@macwelch8599]

The only time Darth Vader truly scared me

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@TetsuShima Didn't even bother to lift a finger, just strangled him with a look.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Then you didn't understand Vader.

[@russellharrell2747]

Darth Vader is most frightening when he is trying to get Luke to join him. Because I wanted Luke to join him, when I first saw it in theaters so long ago. A villain that can get the audience to want the hero to turn to the darkside is a scary dude.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@russellharrell2747 Mind, I'm pretty sure that was before we learned that Luke was using the Youngling Slayer 9000... But I definitely get what you're saying.

[@willmungas8964]

John J. Spurgin cough splutter YOUNGLING SLAYER HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[@randomdeadpool]

Rogue One is a piece of art, it only enriches more the story

[@SpeedyWings2323]

The rise of Skywalker was basically “we have the entire budget but we didn’t know what to do with it”

[@HorrorMonster4406]

I remember watching Rogue One on the Release Day with my family, and right when the Credits came, everyone in the Cinema cheered and clapped. That showed how much of an impact it left, the Sequels didn't have the same feeling, but in Rogue One's case, it shows that Disney can put effort into their movies.

[@andymiller6661]

Not much effort.

[@kasaibouF29]

You can also attribute Gareth Edwards' slow-burn direction, as well as his respect for lore. Godzilla 2014 is a prime example.

[@wt4629]

Godzilla 2014 needs more Godzilla

[@Assassinus2]

Rogue One felt restrained and understated, but in the best of ways.

[@antisora13]

Godzilla 2014 is the worst thing America has ever done to Japan.

[@MrGA555]

Gray Taylor Lmao, u haven’t seen Zilla

[@generalgrievous696]

@@antisora13 you spelled the Godzilla 98 movie with Matthew Broderick wrong.

[@RoyCyberPunk]

The only 2 Disney Star Wars productions that are worth a damn are Rogue One and The Mandalorian.

[@jeffythedinosaur2792]

Clone wars 7

[@mystere2874]

Solo

[@RoyCyberPunk]

@@mystere2874 And pigs fly too. GTFO here with that crap of a movie.😂

[@lukemartineau490]

@@RoyCyberPunk I mean Solo wasn't the best Star Wars movie BY FAR and I certainly wouldn't rate it better than Rogue One, the Clone Wars series, and the original trilogy, but it was better than the sequel trilogy and I enjoyed it enough. Not enough to watch it again, but it was alright

[@elijahblechman8633]

There's really only 2 bad Disney star wars films

[@spartan078ben]

I'd love to see a "The Longest Day" or "Saving Private Ryan" style Star Wars movie.

[@Viguier89]

That's funny because one of The longest day's directors is named Ken Annakin.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Or a "Band of Brothers" style show/movie but not clones. Nothing against the clones, but The Clone Wars has covered their fight pretty well. Regular Rebel, Resistance, Storm Troopers and/or Old Republic era soldiers need some attention. And if there are Force users in it, keep them as passers by in the story. Give the normals something to gripe about. "Those Jedi, every time they show up you just know the shit's deep and we're not even going to see a clean sock or hot meal for days." "Yeah, last time there was a Jedi, 3rd Company came out with two Corporals and half a Lieutenant left."

[@347Jimmy]

I want to see Memphis Belle in space

[@thecatfather857]

@@MonkeyJedi99 Hell yeah!

[@kirknichols178]

I keep saying this, and I think it will eventually happen. A movie or tv series that follows a couple imperial employees would be cool. Naval pilot. Special forces soldier, isb agent, ground trooper, etc. we saw what it could be in solo on mimban.

[@EmperorDank]

Eck: "My then girlfriend.." Me: Oh no... Eck: "Now wife.." Me: Oh nice!

[@johnterpack3940]

Rogue One focused on a small band of characters, largely one central character, just like the originals. The sequels tried to squeeze in as many marketable characters as possible to see what would stick. But the main difference is that Disney didn't have any balls when it came to the sequels. They caved instantly to every bit of social media pressure and changed the script to appease the whiners. Test audiences liked Poe. So he got resurrected instead of dying in the crash early on. That took away the arc of a reformed stormtrooper becoming leader of the resistance and turned Finn into comic relief. Everybody insisted Rey had to be of royal blood. God forbid a nobody has power and rises from the muck. So they came up with a convoluted way for Rey to be royalty. Everyone demanded Kylo be redeemed, they got it. Literally all "fans" wanted was for the sequels to follow the originals beat for beat. "Who's the father?", "when does the bad guy turn back good?"... questions that weren't even part of the original plan. Questions the first movie said didn't matter. But questions "fans" said they would boycott the entire series if they didn't get answers for. Then those same fans were pissed when they got those answers because it had to be cobbled together and made a complete mess of the story. "Fans" are the reason the sequels went south.

[@impurevessel9390]

That’s... a very good summary

[@johnterpack3940]

@@impurevessel9390 You're actually the first person to agree with it. Been in more than a couple fights over it. Oddly, they never attack the logic, only me for pointing it out.

[@impurevessel9390]

It’s always good to find a civilised Star Wars fan

[@mr.dinosuar7333]

I was really hoping for the reformed clone trooper movie, as it would show that the clones arnt just clones, they have thoughts and free will. They can change if they see the whole picture.

[@hassathunter2464]

Ah, the "it was the fans all along" theory. We didn't invent the questions, TFA set them up. Then TLJ bashed them all. Sure, Rian did so to 'subvert fans' but that's his fault, not fans.

[@steeltywars1]

Rouge one felt like the stakes mattered by the end. The tension was there and the characters/actors showed it very well, the music built up the scenes, and the final space battle used a lot of interesting things such as flying in the superstructure of the station and using the hammerhead to collide the ISDs. As Eck said they added to the franchise all the while not taking away from it. On the other hand the sequel trilogy never felt like anything mattered in the end since it stuck to the idea of good guys always winning and the cost of victory was shown as other Star Wars films. The battles were interesting but I didn't feel enthralled except the resistance showing up a Maz's castles thanks to the music. The opening scene of TLJ is a prime example, it was just boring for how slow the battle played out because it followed the slow bombers instead of sticking to Poe and his xwing the entire scene. Instead they could have shown the bombers getting destroyed from the cockpit to keep the scene going while still illustrating the fact the resistance was on the verge of losing due to Poe not focusing on the larger picture as said later in the film.

[@alexistaylor9092]

SteelTy totally agree

[@jonathanmarcus1096]

The acting was really strong throughout Rogue One

[@cgi2002]

Honestly well said, especially how the pacing of opening in ep8 ruined it, as it set the pace for the rest of the film, which just seemed to drag on. They came up with this "were running out of fuel, act fast" plot, and then had it move along so slowly, no sense of urgency to any of it.

[@steeltywars1]

@@cgi2002 The pacing was all over the place with episode 8. Also the chase didn't work for so many reasons such as time frame making no sense, why didn't they cut them off ahead with more ships and no tension due to too much happening with the other plots. Battlestar Galactica did a similar chased scenario with the pilot episode 33, but actually made it work. Its not an exact copy but close enough to realize how episode 8 could have been better.

[@cgi2002]

@@steeltywars1 well said. The chase is a "let's lumber along behind them until they run out of fuel" with no tension, as no one actually tried anything beyond that first fighter strike. Which begged another question, why pull the fighters back. Their logic made no sense "they are getting out of range, we can't cover you". How there they covering them to begin with, the weapons designed to kill fighters are different from those for engaging larger ships, so it wasn't be drawing fire. The larger ships sheilds can't extend to cover the fighters, so that wasn't it. SW doesn't seem to ever use ECM (well not effectively, just basic jamming) and you can't jam the targetting on SW ship guns, as they are manually aimed and fired (never will get my mind around that). Was just a case of "pull them back, they are effective at their job and making us look bad infront of the boss".

[@Krystalmyth]

Rogue One was connected to the spiritual side more than almost any of the others. It actually introduces a church of the Force, and introduces a new mantra to the fandom. Which is a beautiful addition to the first. " The Force is with Me, I am One with the Force, May the Force... be with You. "

[@dorianshepard2841]

Rogue One is actually in my top 3 or 4 of Star Wars movies. Good aesthetic, ships, uniforms. Krennic was a great variation on the zealous Imperial. And the Vader scene at the end (including the Devastator hyperspacing in) did a good job of emphasizing the kind of terror the Empire was able to inflict, especially Vader himself.

[@seamus2059]

Is it me or does Rouge one has the best Cinematography out there?

[@user-kx4rl5ck5e]

Even though I don't like the plot, I have to say TLJ has the best cinematography in Star Wars by far

[@TheCheese1988]

Rogue, but yes. It's a beautiful film.

[@kuyajonny1195]

It’s underated.

[@attalamarco9761]

Yeah it's rogue and and the last jedi that, to me, has the best cinematography

[@michaelbagley6240]

And how they make the ships to crash in a natural way. I love it.

[@zadeinator2370]

rogue one is proof that disney star wars is capable of delivering excellent action setpieces (and setpieces in general, that jedha destruction scene is beyond fantastic) it just goes to show how flat and poorly executed the battle of exegol is, i mean compare it to either rogue one or episode 3, with the battle of coruscant with those two, the cinematography clearly demonstrates the scale perfectly, and there's plenty of cool action to sink your teeth into, but with exegol we spend barely any time even watching the battle, let alone getting a feel for it, and then at the end of it all, it's just kind of...over? the star destroyers fall to the surface all over the place at the end, but it feels like it just happened out of nowhere i would love to see what a fully realised version of episode 9 (let alone the entire trilogy) would be like, but ah well

[@alexistaylor9092]

Zadeinator for sure. I didn’t feel engaged in exegol

[@cgi2002]

@@alexistaylor9092 it honestly felt like the backdrop to the events on the ground, which were also really underwhelming by the end. A big space set piece should be awe inspiring, but that one just felt meh.

[@rascoehunter3608]

Rogue One proves that bigger isn't always better. The stakes are easier to understand.

[@rascoehunter3608]

@@cgi2002 The battle of Exegoul expects the audience to suspend insanity in order to believe it.

[@sailornova4686]

Well an early version of the movie showed that the final battle was suppose to be at coruscant but that was scrapped because Kathleen Kennedy didn't like it

[@kimwand]

Imagine if they'd given the sequel trilogy to Gareth Edwards instead of Abrams, it would have been spectacular 😊

[@WayStedYou]

Or if they gave a trilogy to Abrams instead of wanting to push more movies quickly. He could've done 3 decent films instead of getting derailed halfway

[@simonx760]

​@@WayStedYoubut he wouldn't have any creative idea

[@mikkosimonen]

I'm generally pretty forgiving about the sequel trilogy not having that many new designs. The Resistance is using old Civil War era hardware, while the First Order are basically Empire fanboys. But the First Order at least had their own iterations of the old stuff, while the Final Order was just "Remember the ISD and the Death Star? Palpatine Farms remembers."

[@NewPaulActs17]

"palpatine farms"

[@dragonheart967]

They have no reason to be using that old hardware. The resistance is straight up backed by the republic, they should have at least modern hardware, not bringing up mothball fleets. Frankly, there is no reason why the resistance would be that small in the first place unless the republic was immediately spawned as the most useless government in the galaxy.

[@sorsocksfake]

@@dragonheart967 The consequence of formulaic writing. They needed a resistance, didn't care to properly write it. Arguably an episode VI.5 could solve half the problems of the sequels. (most of the rest is solved by making episode VIII and then remaking ep IX)

[@stephennelson4954]

New Disney Star Wars zinger "Darth Vader Appearances so good You'll crap your pants!"

[@ratbat1072]

They have to put original trilogy characters in everything now

[@erict9737]

I think a story told from 100% from the view of the Galactic Empire would be epic. The film could take place between Episode 4 and 5, with the Empire at their most powerful. We could follow along a hybrid TIE squad, more like a TIE Commando unit. The film could follow two friends from a backwater world, who join the Imperial Navy, seeing the Empire has brought supplies, medicine, food, education, and careers to their world. Not one single Imperial in the movie would be portrayed in a negative light, as these two friends go through the training and are recruited into the TIE Commando squadron, hunting down pirates attacking Imperial cargo ships, leading to where they obtain information into taking down a "terrorist" Rebel cell. We could learn so much more about the Empire and what they all can accomplish, perhaps even an appearance from the Emperor overseeing a graduation ceremony, to maybe having Vader team up with the commandos because the Rebel cell is being lead by a rumored Jedi. The sequel trilogy really divided the fans and put a lot stuff into a negative downward spin. A story told where the Empire are the good guys could divide the Star Wars community, but in a totally fun and exciting way. I believe a good Star Wars film or series can only be accomplished if the people behind it have a passion for the groundwork that George Lucas laid down. You can tell that from Rogue One. Everybody involved really wanted to make something feel like it belonged in Star Wars, but also have something original. I remember back during the old Decipher customizable card game, they made cards featuring original scenes, and put the spin on it like the camera panned to the right, but what if it panned left and you saw THIS!

[@KMCA779]

I'd be on board with this if it was an ISD full of imp do gooders, but every time they saw or dealt with other imps they came away feeling like something was wrong. Have it lead to their defection after news about Alderaan gets confirmed.

[@jasonhenry8067]

You could get away with a “The Empire were the good guys” perspective if we followed someone who was from some backwater planet that was under the thumb of pirates or slavers or something, and then one day the Empire rolled in and freed the general population. They would have a very different view of the Empire then the hero’s from the main movies

[@echodelta2172]

@@jasonhenry8067 this would be a VERY good proposition for a movie. Although the empire was portrayed as ham-fisted, it's heavily implied that they brought order and safety to many planets that were once ruled by outlaws.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

or may be they should stop with palpatine and the empire and do the jedi sith war of old times. All SW material I've ever seen has some relation to empire

[@henryfraser6781]

I agree, the new designs, ships, troopers and buildings in rogue one was one of the reasons I loved it, all these new designs made rogue one not so extremely familiar like other Star Wars films, it was unique and visually incredible!

[@zipzeolocke2]

Please don't criticize rogue one for not being spiritual, we got spiritual in every single Star Wars movie. I think it made perfect sense to make a Star Wars movie that gives us the perspective of the war from a different perspective. A perspective of those who don't have power with the force. It was so interesting to see how the military operates for both the Empire and the rebellion. We only got snippets of that in every other movie! I would love to see more Star Wars, actual war movies. Maybe give us one with a happier ending this time and it will make more people happy! It was unfortunate for rogue one that we already knew how it had to end. They could do it again telling a different story but this time don't have it connect to any of the other movies so that we are uncertain of how things will play out. I think it could be a great success. Do the ship designs of the final order even matter though? Considering they literally came out of the ground for just a few minutes before getting decimated all at once. They didn't really have much time to make a name for themselves. They spent most of their time hidden buried underground!

[@Shinigamimon434]

I want to hear Eck’s opinion on Solo: A Star Wars Story

[@camolegoshark]

@Flats the Flounder, professional ass pounder the first time chewie is seen I believe is in 3 with yoda and tarful

[@thecatfather857]

@@camolegoshark *Tarfful

[@ltb1345]

@Flats the Flounder, professional ass pounder Agreed. Lando’s droid, one of the worst characters in the entire franchise, pretty much ruined the movie for me.

[@KNG-fm1kj]

Besides some of the flaws in it, I still love the movie

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Me too, Erik. FUCK THE NEW TRILOGY. Rogue One and Solo, as well as The Mandalorian are damn good, with one reason being is that George Lucas he was far more involved with them as a consultant given the directors of both films, (Gareth Edwards & Ron Howard) and the show (Jon Favreau) stayed in contact with Lucas to make sure both stayed true to what he set up in the main series and as it turned out, they were RIGHT to do so. Hell, Lucas visited the set of all three to aid. All of this helped in keeping the Anthology films and The Mandalorian consistent with the overall Star Wars world.

[@techticianlarsproductions6180]

The Battle of Scarif is by far my favorite Star Wars moment

[@wjbt3]

Took down an AT-AT ✔️ Hammerhead Corvette took down a Star Destroy ✔️ Transmitted the plans ✔️ I am one with the force and the Force is with me ✔️✔️✔️

[@28_ranggaclio]

Best space battle in the movie, in the ROTS is great but it mostly just passing by

[@dani.zambomagno]

@@wjbt3 it was an AT-ACT but ok

[@alexistaylor9092]

For me, it falls short of the Mustafar battle, but it is super cool

[@davidty2006]

Yeah i do like the fact it's a entire planetary battle with space and ground battles.

[@putinscat1208]

The Emperor: "Hey everyone, I'm coming to get you in 24 hours, and you can't stop me. So don't try to stop me, ok?" Not the greatest strategy.

[@mcblaze2985]

I’d say Rogue One, Empire, and Revenge of the Sith are my 3 s-tier Star Wars movies

[@regalplays7135]

Love Rogue one. Dunno anything about this “Rouge one” everyone keeps mentioning

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Haha, laugh at the small spelilng errors and tpyos.

[@nicolassteckert7149]

This is me everytime I see people who can't even have the time to at least check before replying. _You will pay the price for your lack of vision_

[@WOranos]

A long time ago at a cosmetics counter far, far away... that always gives me goosebumps.

[@wbrennan2253]

In french Luke was Rouge Cinq?

[@amberpasta9379]

lol took me reading this like 5 times to see the difference.... life of a dyslexic woman

[@ggt47]

Also because the film maker was respectful to fans.

[@adam145]

Yeah the celebration reel for rogue one shows just how much he respects the movies and never wants to replace previous movies. It should be much longer though, as characters needed to get fleshed out.

[@hassathunter2464]

And was fired for it... classic Disney LucasFilm :(

[@Nick-kz6dg]

Dave Filoni, Gareth Edwards, Jon Favreau. The MASTERS of modern Star Wars.

[@Quincy299]

Agreed.....

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

Agreed

[@Eik-gk5ps]

Still a bit iffy with Dave imo

[@madisonatteberry9720]

I love the showing of a military command structure, the intel gatherers gets the information to the officers, the officers discuss what the information is telling them, then there are the behind the scenes people from flight crew to guards, to listening post and felt more fluid then the original movies.

[@rivertownproductions]

I would love to see a clone wars version of rouge one. Mostly because I want to see a live action Venator kick some butt. (I know we already kinda did see that in Revenge of the Sith but I want to see more if that makes any sense, the Venator is my favorite Star Destroyer Class)

[@compmanio36]

Unfortunately when you break it down, the Venator did not "kick butt". It was a carrier first and foremost and a fighting vessel a distant second. That's why so often you saw it getting ambushed and destroyed by the CIS. If the Venator didn't get the drop on the enemy and the time to launch it's compliment of fighters and bombers, it was already doomed.

[@AbyssWatcher745]

I wanna see a Venator jump into a system and unload all of it's fighters.

[@347Jimmy]

@@compmanio36 Venators did alright at the battles of Cristophsis and Ryloth Seeing them kick that much arse in live action would be enough to make me smile

[@jasonalbert6251]

The Venator kicks butt in the same way that the Nimitz class kicks butt: if it isn’t well escorted, the only butt getting kicked will be its own. And unfortunately, the old republic really didn’t seem to get that.

[@plaguemaster308]

I liked the story in rogue one. The idea of right and wrong orders & human emotion coming into that, guilt etc, even if your a rebel. "You might as well be a stormtrooper" "How can you stand to see the imperial flag reign across the galaxy" "not a problem if you don't look up" jyn perspective on war "all it ever brought me is pain" Cassian "I've been in this fight since I was six years old!"

[@kevinh9110]

Rebels in OT: "We're the good guys, too good for violence." Rebels in R1: "Nah. We're here for blood."

[@Sseltraeh89]

I always kind of assumed the Tie variant introduced in R1SWS was meant to operate in atmosphere in defensive duties of planet-based military installations and that's why there weren't standard Tie fighters. And looking at the fandom wiki, that's exactly their point, so i don't really question their existence. So the real question is, why Disney didn't think about this in all the scenes where standard TIE fighters flew in planetary atmosphere throughout the new trilogy movies?

[@MBronko]

Rogue One is the only good Disney Star Wars movie ...

[@redcoat7453]

the force awakens was alright it was just extremely lazy

[@MBronko]

@@redcoat7453 I believe that was just the Memberberry overdose ...

[@aydanmull]

I liked solo :(

[@brandonhancock8620]

Aydab same

[@willtomgames]

i mean, force awakens was decent and solo was good

[@fostersariscak3752]

Rogue One was a cinematic masterpiece, lore accurate, creative, and amazing effects. Yes the characters were a little bit weird and cookie cutter, but still, the entire storyline and everything was awesome. Definitely one of the best Star Wars movies ever.

[@conservativedemocracyenjoyer]

Lore accurate? Red Hand squadron and Bevel Lemelisk would like to have a word with you.

[@fostersariscak3752]

Im sorry, *Mostly* lore accurate.

[@DrewZepp]

How are they cookie cutter? They’re not like characters we’ve had before.

[@PORT.design]

​@@DrewZepp The character development was pretty terrible. The fact that she went from "I don't want anything to do with this" to "I am now so gung-ho that I am going to give the big motivational speech" with a flip of the hat really did not do it for me.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

what is it with people complaining about its characters? I hated K2's death more than Han or Leia's

[@jediknightjairinaiki560]

Watching "Rogue One" filled me with as much excitement as ANH did when I saw it in '77 when I was five. My heart beat faster, my breathing rate increased, I teared up from the time the Death Star plans were transmitted until the end. RO is the only disney STAR WARS movie I enjoy.

[@pux0rb]

Rogue One isn't the best Star Wars movie, but the people who worked on it were incredibly passionate, and it shows. The new capital ship designs, star fighters, troopers, blasters, cities and planets, everything all feels like it could have been conceived during the original trilogy's creation and it fits the design language perfectly. I really love seeing all of the designs wholly embraced by the fans and Disney, and seeing them return a lot (several video games, the Mandalorian, etc.) This movie gave us a lot of new content that doesn't feel ridiculous but expands on the two factions that we knew so well, as well as civilian life. I also like that we saw competent military tactics on both sides for once, and there are consequences for making mistakes. Lots of the main characters die unlike the heroes in past movies, which makes sense since they're just average spies and soldiers. It grounds the movie and adds a nice element of realism. For these reasons I think it might be my second or third favorite Star Wars movie.

[@questionmark05]

Absolutely love rouge one. Completely agree on clone wars era version. its the first Disney Star wars where they said here make a movie and gave a huge amount of money for it with a good director and writer and it worked. The Mandalorian and clone wars s7 would be others. Solo was also awesome. I know rouge one had heaps of story and director changes and its awesomeness may not be entirely him. But Gareth Edwards should have done the rest of the sequel trilogy.

[@joseangelesrojas6406]

Well s7 for clone wars was already written and everything and even a few character arcs were taken out (maul escape, dark disciple, boba fett)

[@JoeLikesTrains]

when the resistance was being stopped by 8 walkers nobody in the galaxy bothered to show up. and noww in episode 9 when theyre facing 1000-25000 star destroyers, everyone shows up to help *WTF*

[@Ruiluth]

The scene with the hammerhead taking out two star destroyers single handedly is hands down the best scene in any Star Wars movie to me. I've never been a huge star wars fan but I absolutely loved the space battles in Rogue One.

[@andymiller6661]

Why? They could have done better.

[@7bootzy]

My fav part of Rogue One was the final act when I noticed they were 100% going for that old school 70s vibe the original Episode IV had: 70s staches on all the dudes, that "standing around a control panel arguing" aesthetic. It just FELT so original Star Wars to me. It took me right back to my childhood. Loved it!

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

In short... Literally everything!

[@pallasathe4299]

Kato Ho Ten Soeng The video is also a opinion though he even says that lmao

[@pallasathe4299]

Kato Ho Ten Soeng nice try tho Shi no Numa

[@sauron2012lifad]

In short: We need Rogue Two 😂

[@bluecoconut9543]

Week all the main characters are dead so I don’t know how that’s gonna work

[@darransykes3406]

We did get Rogue Two...............................It was called Star Wars

[@asier6964]

2 rogue 2 furious

[@LedosKell]

Rogue Zero: Clone Wars era film about a team of Republic Clone Commandos trying to assassinate Poggle the Lesser, they come across a breadcrumb that leads to them leaning about the Death Star plans, learn that Dooku has the plans, and come dangerously close to finding out Palpatine is Sidious... so Grievous is unleashed and he annihilates nearly if not all of the surviving commandos.

[@halcionkoenig243]

@@bluecoconut9543 Rogue One is a code name, not a character: so that's how that works.

[@MrBlake14]

You know what would be honestly a great story to cover: how the Bothans died to bring us this information. It'll have action, tragedy, suspense, and could easily have compelling new characters, while still allowing freedom to briefly showcase old classic characters too. All ingredients that were key to Rogue One's success. Plus the territory will be somewhat familiar as it will follow a similar story arc of Rogue One in the Rebels trying desperately to uncover information on the second Deathstar.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

There was even a Legends novel about it (is there? My recollection is poor on this). They could throw a check at the author(s) and get a script out of it easy.

[@347Jimmy]

Many Bothans Died would be a good movie

[@PhantomViper49]

"girlfriend , now wife " . Congratulations even if i'm late .

[@YouKnowWhosBack]

Rogue One is such an amazing movie, the screenplay, the casting, the writing and everything. It might as well be my favourite movie.

[@Egalia_1]

As much as I love the Sequels, I think Rogue One’s atmosphere and darker take on the universe was really refreshing and amazing. The characters were too weak for me personally to call it my favorite but still an amazing movie

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

Dude did you just said that you love the sequels in a comment section full of legends and prequels fanboys?! You have courage (I love the sequels too)

[@ZAK31591]

Not a fan of the sequels myself, but I think you hit the nail on the head with the darker take. It doesn't need to be "gritty" but when you can mix the fun star wars with the more brutal aspects, you get gold. I feel Rogue One and Fallen Order are the best examples of this in recent times.

[@dinogaming4419]

Did you just say you didn’t like rogue one because the characters were “too weak” but you also said you loved the sequels... 😐

[@ZAK31591]

@@dinogaming4419 Just let people enjoy things, man. Worlds shitty enough without fighting over fiction.

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

@@dinogaming4419 it's just his opinion and to be honest I agree with him

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

I had been begging for a “saving private Ryan” Star Wars and i finally got it.

[@347Jimmy]

It's more like The Dirty Dozen, really But you're totally right, we needed a Star Wars movie that was a proper war movie

[@c-secofficer123]

Rogue One’s battle of Scarif space battle made you FEEL like you were there right in the seat of that Y Wing watching out for those towers

[@andymiller6661]

I didn't feel that.

[@leynadrebout1027]

I’ve been laughed at when I say rogue one is my favorite Star Wars movie. But that space battle was amazing, and the Vader scene still gives me chills. I also thought Krennic was a fantastic character. The sheer ego of the man in how he thought he could talk to Vader and Tarkin. Would love to see him in some other media, like maybe a rebels-like show.

[@thecatfather857]

"Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director."

[@mikulaszach2652]

!!!warning! !unpopular opinion!!!! Rogue one is my favourite star wars movie. Yes. I mean better than original trilogy for me.

[@CameronHuff]

Rogue One is closer in spirit to the OG trilogy than the sequels are.

[@mmcsarte]

wow

[@mano7636]

It's also my favorite Star Wars movie

[@vincentkosharek2216]

Mikuláš Zach I agree

[@wardy6224]

Opinions are allowed here lol preach it my guy

[@ScrapKing73]

For me, the most interesting spiritual part of Rogue One is the assertion that the Force won’t let anyone die until they’ve fulfilled their destiny. Then it’s open season.

[@lajoyalobos2009]

Rogue One is by far my favorite Disney Star Wars movie. I really liked the grit it had, especially the ambush scene in Jedha. I always wanted to see how they got the plans for the 2nd Death Star though, even before the prequels came out. Something about the way Mom Mothma talks about the Bothans it seems there's a good story there.

[@alternative915]

Rogue one Pro - A darker tone of the BBY when desperation required greater sacrifice, you know? FLAW? - New designs that doesn't break the continuity - the character with ACTUAL FLAWS while still kick ass - Great soundtrack - the empire is actually terrifying and really show that a tiny rebellion with no great leadership can be easily crushed - respect the source material (cough* fanservice cough) - respect the older casts, and some of the new casts from other shows - some good humor that is not cringe and stupid Con - Despite the main cast has some background history, it still lacking character development as to why and how did they get into this, they couldn't have made 2 rogue one movies, one was introduction, bounding, development and the second is the actual stealing the death star information. Part 7 to 9 Pro - some ship design is kinda cool especially the ships from the last jedi - new planet is nice? - some of the actions are fun to watch Con - First order sound cool but the way they organized...they have no plan of governing the galaxy if they took over the new republic - the idea of demilitarized in the new republic doesn't sound a good idea, it's like saying guns are bad, but guns doesnt do jack shit unless someone wielded it. - New characters is boring, poor written from overpowered with no struggle (aside of crying, a known trait for independent strong characters ) to doing nothing while saying stupid stuff and has zero plan to do so - stuffed whatever good with their own Agenda for $$$ and other consumer that probably never watch or interest in star wars - disrespect the source material and making excuses like " it's hard to make flims" or "we dont have better sources to create what you wanted" or " go and cry manbaby" - tasteless and terrible leaderships whatever behind the making of the movie - reused older ship, just different color and sizes, and other new ones are questionable - reused older casts for the sake of fanservice and killed off in the most disrespectful way for "dramatic moment" - the used of humor is...why?? - the world building is bland - new aliens doesn't really serve much purpose, they just walk around and does stuff

[@zealousdoggo]

Ah yes a really like the new Generic Alien no1 who does job at place and only serves to have a thick texan accent and be killed in a genocide to remind us how bad the first order is

[@FadedGamingLove]

I would also put a great soundtrack and music for 7-9 as well.

[@SilverSpectre90]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GET IT Rogue One was the only decent sht that Mockey Mouse released.

[@joeyk107]

Things that have come out of disney star wars best to worst Rogue One Clone Wars Season 7 Solo The Mandalorian Rebels All of the Sequel material

[@joeyk107]

Things that have come out of disney star wars best to worst Rogue One Clone Wars Season 7 Solo The Mandalorian Rebels All of the Sequel material

[@joeyk107]

@@michaelandreipalon359 that is why I summed it up as "all of the sequel material"

[@SilverSpectre90]

@@michaelandreipalon359 The Mandalorian and Rogue One is the only good things. Screw the billion dollars fanfic garbage of the "trilogy" they did

[@SilverSpectre90]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Fallen Orden, the Clone Wars and done. The rest didn't get my attention. SPECIALLY after what they did to George Lucas. I hope to see Star wars great again or been bought by another company that makes a better job with it

[@AnthonySforza]

Sitting in the theater, what struck me as being different with Rogue One in startling contrast to Force Awakens... Is how it was glaringly apparent that whomever was making Rogue One actually liked the franchise.

[@MisterLongShot_Official]

Rogue One is by far my favorite Darth Mickey production. I loved how they brought back the feel of the lower-tech Original Trilogy, I was worried about that ahead of release. We also felt the desperation of A New Hope again. They did an excellent job of putting the viewer into the perspective of an ant under the boot heel of the Empire. The Vader scene at the end made me jump to my feet and cheer! And I wasn't alone. Of course I am probably biased, because the Rebellion era is my favorite time of Star Wars. There's a completely untapped (by Disney) story line directly after the battle of Endor, about how the rebellion transitioned into a legitimate governmental organization In the New Republic. I understand they are reluctant to follow the path of the EU, and I don't blame them. There's a huge fan following and they won't be able to please them all if the just make a "Thrawn Trilogy movie series". BUT, I do think they could pull a page from the Rouge Squadron EU Novel series and follow smaller units of the Rebellion-turned-New-Republic in their question to wrest control of critical planets from the Empire's remnants. When Mandalorian was first announced, I had hoped this was the start of going down that path. And I believe it may still go that way. I guess that's enough of my rambling. Thanks again, Eck. Always enjoy your videos.

[@razvanmazilu6284]

Rogue One is the only one of the Disney Star Wars films that I loved, even if the story went against 'legends' lore. It was the only one that felt like it was made by people who gave a shit about Star Wars. I also liked Solo more than any of the sequel trilogy films. Probably because it was its own little story, rather than being part of what I consider a failed story ark. Speaking of which, looking back now at the sequel trilogy I find it to be a disjointed mess. Even if on a technical level I'd argue they're better films than the prequels, I still prefer the prequels. For all their faults, at least that felt like an actual story, with a beginning, a middle and an end. Maybe with the exception of the Force Awakens which benefited from being the first of the trilogy, the sequels don't even have a clear a direction. The Force Awakens did its thing, then the Last Jedi started pulling in another direction and finally the Rise of Skywalker pretty much did its best to pretend the Last Jedi didn't exist. Of course, I'm not claiming any of what I said is an objective truth. They're just my feelings regarding Disney's big screen contributions to Star Wars.

[@jamesleduke873]

You could fit Rogue One into legends. There was already a dozen different versions of how the Rebels got the Death Star plans. One more wouldn't have hurt.

[@razvanmazilu6284]

@@jamesleduke873 it didn't hurt.

[@richardgaldos6901]

@@jamesleduke873 I actually head canon that Rogue One takes place in the Legends Universe. I just say that the Battle of Toprawa got the Rebellion the information about the Death Star and Galen Erso in the first place that convinced them to recruit Jyn Erso for the movie

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

Solo is awesome!

[@sleeplessknight99]

I mentally replace Jyn Erso with Jan Ors and Cassian Andor with Kyle Katarn. The U-wing they fly is nicknamed the Moldy Crow and that's how I mentally insert Rogue One into Legends canon.

[@ktwei]

Rogue One is probably the best Star Wars movie for me. The story just falls flat on it's face after the Battle of Endor.

[@wannabeslav6914]

Minus the mandalorian

[@ktwei]

@@wannabeslav6914 Ok Agreed.

[@RyujinNoKami]

It doesn't fall flat on its face It fell off a cliff and into the abyss

[@fakjbf3129]

Rogue One but it's the Battle of Jakku. Show how the star destroyed that we see in episode 7 crashed, and how the New Republic won the Galactic Civil War.

[@samharris6212]

Watching this video while recovering from food poisoning and that story at the beginning of the video really hit me. Good job sticking it out, I'd have made a break for the bathroom ASAP.

[@1stMarDivDelta]

Man I love the Rogue One Space Battle

[@davesobani9565]

The "Sequel" to rogue one could be how the rebels get the info on the Deathstar 2 and the hidden hyperspace lane

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

So... a Shadows of the Empire film, assuming that story wasn't decanonized? Hell yeah.

[@347Jimmy]

Call the movie 'Many Bothans Died' and I'm in

[@fardfox]

@@347Jimmy Talk about spoiling the movie with the title, lol.

[@Iknowthismeme]

Two cool concepts that could have a similar mechanism to rogue one are the story of how the first order was formed or something set in the first years of the empire, maybe narrated by a senator or something like that.

[@NP-zt6hy]

My idea: a pre- Phantom Menace era detective story, with a Jedi as the Sherlock-like sleuth and a judicial forces non-force user as the Watson-like stooge, the antagonist is a Moriarty-like Black Sun crime boss masquerading as a senator. Something new to the game.

[@LemonAiden]

Rouge One will always be one of my favorite Star Wars movies, even though we all know the Rebels/New Republic win the war, Its still so interesting to see the early stages of the Rebellion. The lack of ships to take on ISD's, how low the moral was, how far some extreme rebels cells were. stuff like that. I hope as Disney makes new stories/plots with its new trilogy, they will still tell some more Rouge One type stories about the early Rebellion, or hell the Clone Wars, or maybe the Early days of The Empire, ik comics exist for these reasons and ive read em, but seeing them on Disney+ or in a Theatre would still be cool.

[@dirtlump7801]

For Rise of Skywalker, I think they tried to do too much in such little time. Like you said, I dont think they were lazy. They just wanted to do too much.

[@mcrvids6860]

They could have done more had they not wasted all their time with TLJ. As I've told many people, you can see all of 15 minutes of TLJ and not be lost, and even those 15 minutes are mostly optional. Had TLJ flowed better, like Empire between ANH and RoTJ, then RoS would have been entirely different. Even if they wanted more connection, even if the plot was going to stay roughly the same, introducing the Palpatine is alive twist in 8 would have worked far better for the pacing of 9.

[@ovskii96]

That Darth Vader scene literally gave me an adrenaline rush the first time

[@tmytyson]

I think another reason the space combat in R1 is praised is (in addition to making new models specifically for the film) the way Gareth Edwards actually had the scenes filmed. They made physical models of the X-Wings on gimbal mounts to make maneuvers and concussive impacts more visceral. They also had cameras mounted on the X-Wing and had handhelds in the cockpit. All of that combined with the harsher lighting (which is prevalent in space) really combined to make a more physical space battle than anything else in Star Wars.

[@froggothefirst1434]

Man I’m just trynna do my homework and youtube recommends me this...

[@johnangel2592]

Can you make a video on what you would do to win as every faction in star wars.

[@witherwolf3316]

The key factor in Rogue One is that nobody is immortal. Throughout the entire movie people are killed constantly, often brutally, and, most importantly, on-screen. Nearly every planet of the galaxy is touched by the conflict, and all end in their fair share of death on both sides. Think of any battle in the movie and you can see massive casualties among the Rebels and Imperial forces. Think about all the major battles during the movie. I'll name three in particular. The ambush at Jedha, the facility on Eadu, and, of course, the Battle of Scarif. Jedha shows us a different side of the Rebellion, a for more radical group using far less conventional strategies, blending in with the civilian populace, and using very well-planned ambush strategies to their advantage. Something unique about this battle is that it happens in a way almost removed from the main characters, they don't really choose a side, instead killing only those that pose a threat to them at the given moment. The entire battle is messy, and it's clear that it has implications outside of itself. Civilians nearby are terrified, there's significant damage to the plaza, again caused by both Imperials and Rebels. I do think there's an argument to be made that this scene *might* draw inspiration from modern conflicts, especially against terror groups in the Middle East, but that's a different topic. Either way, there is clearly a difference of morality between Saw Gerrera's Rebels and those of the conventional Rebellion. The fight against the Empire supersedes everything. Including the safety of the people in the city they fight in. Then we have Eadu. This stands out against a lot of battles in Star Wars because it doesn't jump directly into the action. Most of it happens through binoculars, or the scope of a rifle. Our heroes are far away from the main event, and out of danger. But what makes this scene so captivating is the tension that comes about as a result. How *are* they going to save Jyn's dad? Is he about to be executed too? Was Cassian sent to assassinate him? The whole situation came about because of unanswered questions. And it ends not with answers to those questions, but more of them. And finally, Scarif. The main course. This final battle is everything we could have hoped and more. This really is the highlight of the movie and the part most people will be coming back to see over and over again. While the main characters have their own mission within the tower there is a full scale war raging outside, not only with infantry facing off, but armored and air support clashing with one another as well, not to mention the fight happening in space above the planet. We also get to see some new additions to both the Empire and the Rebels with specialized purposes that make the battle much more interesting. The U-Wing and TIE Reaper serving as troop transports, the Hammerhead Corvette showing the Rebels use of extremely unconventional tactics destroying two Star Destroyers and the gate shielding Scarif. We also get to see Shoretroopers, who offer a visually distinct palette from the uniform white armor, and Death Troopers. Every card is on the table, but with a few exceptions, all of these things were shown in the movie beforehand so we had a fundamental understanding of what they were meant to do. This is the battle that really drives home the message of the movie, which is that nobody is immortal. People from all walks of life, from planets all across the galaxy, come to the common cause of the Rebellion, who fight, and die fighting, in hope to save a semblance of freedom. This really is the movie that humanizes the Rebels. It shows them at their best, and more importantly, at their worst. It brings the implications of a galactic war to into actuation. In addition to the Empire's might we get a glimpse into the motivations driving members of the Rebellion. That Jyn, who at first found them uncompelling, was able to realize was a place where they could belong. That the battle was worth fighting. It is, at its core, a movie about finding Hope in the face of overwhelming defeat, complemented by a likable supporting cast with complex and diverse motivations and backgrounds, and further enhanced by hints towards philosophical questions such as whether the ends justify the means, that the in the pursuit of power one will eventually be destroyed by it, and that taking action can inspire others to do so. I honestly think this may be my favorite Star Wars movie, despite the lack of Jedi or a happy ending. It is the movie I felt the most emotional investment in, and that's because it takes the time to focus on the characters themselves. Who they are, and what events led them to make the choices they do. And as a result, each death carries weight with it. What we feel when the Death Star decimates Scarif is exactly how we should feel when it obliterates Alderaan, but watching back through A New Hope, it's not quite the same. Most of the emotion comes from Leia's desperate attempts to stop it, and Obi-Wan's reaction to it. This is the vision of that scene utilizing the technology of the modern day, and it is all the better for it.

[@NemesisHero123]

I remember getting excited when I saw the Ghost in Rogue One.