How to be a Christian in Babylon: Dr. Sean McDowell Interview - The Becket Cook Show Ep. 75

[@BecketCook]

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[@mimifrommo]

This idea of disciplining yourself leading to more freedom is so counterintuitive it will be hard for most in bondage to grasp. Wow! Never thought about it like this before and it’s been so true in my walk with Jesus. The more you yield to what he is telling you to do the more free you become. This gives me such peace and joy. Thank you!

[@lucysnowe31]

It's always seemed to me that you really thoughtfully choose your guests, Becket. Your shows are always a cut above and always worth listening to.

[@marydiggins9294]

100% agree❗️

[@ENFPerspectives]

Same. 100% agree. So encouraging and gives peace even in tough times. So thankful to have found his show.

[@Jackjohnjay]

Wonderful guest! This guy is great!

[@myndismithers]

Love hearing the truth being spoken. So refreshing. So needed. Thank you🙏🏻

[@josephsantillan3817]

Always excited when a becket cook episode pops up in my notifications.

[@charnevanderwalt4600]

Agree

[@drumrgal4christ987]

Yes

[@Jonesaustin]

same

[@Fern_Thaddeus]

SAME

[@peacefuldoves]

I know right!

[@sharonanderlik8362]

You guys are two of my favorite teachers (apologists). I appreciate how you speak God's truth with such clear reason. I'm stunned at how much confusion there is in the world and the church today. It has been so disheartening to me. Listening to you encourages me so much and gives me some tools on how to speak the truth to today's world. God bless you!!!!

[@jemk2875]

Same!

[@reginaford8575]

I tell my grown daughters to read Daniel monthly. They all work in Babylon University. I am now retired from healthcare and I dared to be Daniel in my work life. Following Christ pays great dividends of eternal life, joy and peace! When my daughter was 11 years old she completed Franklin Graham’s course of Dare to be Daniel. She is now 27 and still has the “ dog tags” which were given at completion of course

[@demirobertson8435]

💗💗💗 so good! Thanks Becket, thanks Dr Sean, love that you are helping people think rightfully about current subjects, so glad Dr Sean that you have made a book for young people addressing current topics 💕💕💕

[@jillianhicks3793]

I am eating this stuff up! It's not because I'm not getting fed at my church either; it's because God's truth is refreshing! It's eternal life...starting now! I need voices of truth in my life to be an example for me. Thank you both for all your gracious investment. Stay humble! The Lord is stashing away some more treasure in Heaven for y'all!

[@dennisboer5477]

Totally agree that love for our neighbor is not wanting them to die in their sin. "Love your neighbor as yourself" has so much depth of meaning. I intentionally do not want harm to come to myself, much less dying a tragic death. So, if I love my neighbor as I would myself, I do not want harm to come to them. Spiritually I do not want them to end up in hell any more than I want myself to end up in hell. Part of relating is admitting our own weakness and our need for what Christ did for us on the cross and resurrection, conquering sin and death. Thank you again for what you do, and the impact of your faith God uses to reach others.

[@PyrPupMom]

"There is a deficit of kindness in our culture today..." So true.

[@karenpeterson5780]

A great discussion between two gracious, godly, men. Thank you!

[@thegoodfight426]

I love you Becket! I am grateful for my smart phone because I get to listen to shows like yours! I too, used to believe that they were evil, and only got a cell phone 2 years ago. But now I have come to believe that it's not the way we process the information that's evil, but the desires of our hearts. When we delight ourselves in the Lord, HE gives us the desires of our hearts and we will desire to look upon things that edify our lives. We may fall into the temptation to look upon things that aren't so edifying at times, but ultimately, the Lord brings us back.

[@TheLiterateLyoness]

Great quote, Sean! 👏 “I would rather lose the culture wars in a way that loves God and loves other people than win the culture wars in a way that doesn’t love them.”

[@lynghee159]

Thank you both! Motivation from God's love & not because of wanting more power. God is love. Godspeed

[@reborndaughter445]

A wonderful show once again. I love having Sean on your show. He can so easily illuminate core issues. He cuts through the most sensitive topics with grace and love. And Beckett, what would we do without you.? Your life was ordained to belong to Jesus! You are a true inspiration. Thank you, brother.

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@kflybye]

Oh Becket……such an awesome dialogue between you and Sean! Two of the best guys in the Christian world today to bring truth and clarity. Yes……!!! Truth AND Grace. Both are needed today in this world. And I totally get the fact that to be a contrarian in this world today is to be a loving, kind, truthful, grace-filled person who shows Jesus in everything they do….. Thank you for always having the most amazing guests…along with YOU!!!! Blessings!

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@saniya_meldre]

Wow. Such an interesting conversation! Thank you. I got some confirmations on what God spoke to me. As we live in one of the Nordic countries in Europe where we are literally surrounded by all this people with LGBTQ flags I was asking the same question “how to live in such society as Christian?” And one day I was worshiping at home with the windows open (it was warm summer day) I felt like Daniel xD and I felt God was saying “this is how you live in this society”. I was feeling a little bit intimidated to worship loudly but then I felt boldness. We need to worship God without hiding it from others. And also thinking about LGBTQ people saying “Love is love” I was contemplating on what love really is. What does it even mean “love is love”? It doesn’t mean anything unless you define what love really is. And the Word of God defines love very well. It’s definitely not what the world means…

[@pennylynch913]

Yes Becket. Love is to tell someone the truth. Hi Sean bless you 😀

[@claudiamariamoralesdeparto925]

Thank God for both of you, I pray He continue using you for His glory and advance of His kingdom.

[@23awatkins]

I just found you yesterday! This is now my 3rd episode. I live in the gay neighborhood in my city and with it being Pride month I certainly feel like Im living in Babylon. I want to hold my beliefs and be an example but it’s so discouraging. This channel is giving me hope and bolstering up my testimony!

[@jemk2875]

Anyway, thank you so much for being a light here on youtube!

[@Martha77]

I agree, we can be loving when we state Christian truth. We don’t have to be angry!

[@celianelson6679]

Another great episode with practical ways to be salt and light

[@engerkristin]

Love! The compliment you gave Sean about giving grace and speaking in love - I feel the same about you Becket! You and Sean are 2 of my favorite people to watch - thanks for a great interview!

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@suestephan3255]

Love, are we doing it in love is the Christian heart check always.

[@elizabethryan2217]

Does my heart good to listen to you guys, and this is *such* important stuff. Looking forward to the next one! Be blessed, both of you! 🤗🙏💜

[@elizabethryan2217]

Awww, great to see two of my faves together again - looking forward to catching up with this!! Lots of love going out to you guys!! 💜💜💜🤗

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@elanidewet452]

Thank you so much for this. I have a friend who has been going deeper and deeper into depravity, fist a nudist, then polyamouris, then cross dressing, now self identifies as gender fluid and who knows what else. I don't know what to say to him, he is so convinced that he is finding his truth and authentic self, but I'm so concerned about his soul. But I honestly don't know what to say to him, because I know he will probably think I'm judging him or being ignorant. Now I just keep quiet and don't say anything, I've even considered not being his friend anymore since we have so little in common now. I feel so torn. I want to speak truth but don't know how to do this without offending him. And what do I even say. Please pray for me for wisdom and courage.

[@Jessica_Jones]

I pray that the opportunity comes for you to be able to speak to your friend in Christian love and kindness. I pray that no matter how he outwardly receives what you share, it will penetrate through the lies of the world that have been built up around his heart and whisper to his soul relentlessly, ultimately leading him to seek and find the Lord ❤

[@bobchevallier8456]

Karen here. Keep sharing your testimony and daily walk with Jesus. Bombard Heaven with prayers for him. Pray God will send Disciples of Jesus to him.

[@JenDeVoreRichter]

Check out Ray Comfort on the Living Waters channel for how to start conversations.

[@jackiefout9302]

prayers, tell him the truth. Tell him God loves him and that you do too. Tell him out of fear you haven't been able to live your truth that the bible is the word of God and you can't celebrate his life style, but you value him and your friendship. However if he can't açcept you for who you are the friendship can't continue. Put it in his lap and see where it goes.

[@epicfantasy]

A demonic force has taken him. You should separate, protect yourself and your family.

[@ChosenGenerationOfficial]

What a great conversation!

[@melaniem4070]

Excellent interview, Beckett!

[@kathygriffey3958]

You are truly a precious, Godly, man! I love your happiness!

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@darrenmiller6927]

Great show today Becket cook! I read some of his father's books. Great comment "today it's 'punk rock' to be a Christian". His book sounds really good, maybe it's time I read one of his books.

[@jungleice5442]

Found you and so enjoy the podcasts. I also just ordered your book. What a testimony God has allowed you to have. Please keep the great talks coming.

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@Hopeandgrace2]

I did not know this channel. I am glad I found it. Very illuminating teaching. Greetings from Colombia.

[@pattyjuel2739]

Living like Daniel, I love it 😀

[@elizabethryan2217]

Great question re: balancing how to stand up to things, Becket 👍👍

[@carguy1979]

Great episode. Thank you!

[@judymartuscello114]

Love you Becket!

[@michellemybelle9591]

There was a study that I had for my son called Dare To Be A Daniel!

[@keeptrying5962]

This is so good!!! Love you Becket! 🙌🏼💓

[@patbiggam8138]

Once again, excellent program Becket, which makes us think more deeply about very imprtant issues. This obviously is your calling, and you do it so well.

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@adriennedearmon4050]

Yay. Thank you 🙏🏼 Becket for doing what you do ❣️🎉 Just love all your episodes

[@dedematthew15v27]

Always a blessing to hear your show, but most importantly the education that comes from it is invaluable. ☝🏽🎚📖♥️

[@JLizard]

Thanks for helping us keep the faith.

[@margueritelosinski3021]

Love both of their podcasts. So valuable.

[@christybennewitz6564]

Both Sean and Becket are so Bible centered. It's so refreshing!

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@darrenplies9034]

Fan of the Sean Depeche McDowell Mode ♥️ Great interview homies. Brothers modeling Christianity rightly

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@jakkistaatmcdonald4555]

Biola alumni here. You two were 4 when I was attending !

[@titisdwiutami3520]

I can’t wait to get the book

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@deanmcdiarmid7068]

Hey Becket. Have you done a show on divorce? My wife of 21 years decided she didn't want to be married anymore. I fought it. Asked her to go through pastoral counseling, she did but in the end she divorced me. I lost everything, my children's relationship is strained, I'm alone and in despair. She says I was a good father and husband. All her Christian friends encouraged her saying she had a right to be happy. I could have been more ambitious, I had my stuff, but not enough for divorce. Divorce was the first thing the church gave up on, now we got church's encouraging same sex marriage, etc.

[@vrcarlos6955]

May God bless you in your suffering. Give your suffering to our Lord. Let Him heal you and lead you as you lead a Christian life as a single man with children.

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

Sending ❤❤❤ and 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽. May you find peace and forgive your wife for giving up on you and your marriage.

[@captiankirk6355]

Fabulous show guys. Beckett you had another guest, Rosaria Butterfield who really gave some fabulous guidance. Beckett, you are a genius the way you question your guest with the same thoughts your audience is having. Thank you so much.

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@AllieOTI90]

Come back anytime Becket! Calvary OV loves you! May the Lord continue to bless you!!

[@BecketCook]

Thank you!! God Bless

[@TheAmericanGirl1967]

Thank you, guys

[@MamaBear-mg1ux]

I always learn so much from y’all!

[@bezaassegu7384]

Thank you for another informative episode Becket! Can’t wait to get the book. God bless

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@HollyDucarte]

For another great book for our relativistic time referencing being like Daniel, I suggest reading Against The Flow by Dr John Lennox. Excellent read. I’ll be keeping Dr Sean McDowell’s book in mind for a next book purchase.

[@Tweeza57]

My husband and I lived a year together before marriage. Neither of us ever considered we could just walk away. The proof of our commitment is that I became a Christian one year after we married and he was very quietly angry and I suffered his reaction yet we are 40 yrs married - it was a bumpy ride for both of us but we’re good now - but he is still an unbeliever for now

[@michelleduncan9965]

Praying your husband will repent & accept Jesus Theresa !

[@Tweeza57]

@@michelleduncan9965 how kind thank you 😊

[@marenphilipse7955]

So exited to listen to this!!!

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@reginaford8575]

Great show as always!!! Thank you, sir!!

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@james7188]

I hope this doesn't come across as divisive, I love this channel & also have a lot of respect for the work Dr. McDowell does but I found his answer on if homosexuals can be Christians troubling. Jesus taught about putting sin to death in His sermon on the Mount. I am not criticizing anyone for having sinful urges (we all have those) & of course God can forgive us of whatever sin we commit, we have to have a repentant heart though & there's a difference between sinning & practicing sin. Someone who makes their pet sin their identity & frequently goes out & commits it is not demonstrating the fruit that comes with a repentant heart. If I referred to myself as a cheater & every so often went out & had affairs, most people would recognize how sinful that is & wouldn't give me a pass just because I asked for forgiveness after it was over. We are all sinners, but forgiveness isn't a license to sin & it is never okay to make your sin your identity once you are in Christ.

[@georgewagner7787]

Becket has a video about this now with Christopher yuan

[@james7188]

@@georgewagner7787 Thanks!

[@michelleduncan9965]

Love is kindly & firmly telling THE TRUTH of Christ.

[@dorinmicu7511]

🙏 God bless!

[@joannbain9390]

Great collaboration with you both

[@crystal9626]

Thank you for excellent weekly shows without political leanings. That’s so refreshing!

[@jostmeify]

Why don’t I ever get notifications for new Becket episodes hmm. I always have to search them out

[@jilljulie-vb7pd]

Phenomenal helpful teaching! Awesome choice Becket! ❤️‍🩹✝️

[@flowerpower3618]

Really good!

[@n.f.6126]

Such awesome information! God bless 🙏

[@edithjohnson6835]

Great show. 🙂🙂

[@maryowen1722]

Love ur laugh, Becket!!! Infectious!❤️

[@cindyweatherly4501]

Thank you ❤

[@lindsaypeichl6974]

How can we be loving and speak truth when “the other side” is so full of hate, ready & waiting to attack with a vengeance. Like I feel oppressed and in hiding with my biblical views, like I can’t say anything because people, old friends, family friends, etc, will attack with so much more passion/hate than I can handle- than I want to invite. I want to speak the truth out of love- I feel love and compassion, but it’s easier to live “peacefully” and not voice my views unbidden rather than call the wrath of hell upon myself. I don’t want to live in fear. I’m actually jealous of people who “live out loud” in their faith.

[@lindsaypeichl6974]

My Czech husband just said, “If you wrestle a pig, you will end up covered in mud.” 😆 Anyway, Beckett, i also want to say, I have 3 kids, oldest is 14. Without your show I wouldn’t have a comprehensive way to explain all the things that they are being attacked by in the culture. Thank you. I will thank you in heaven 😄💖

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@ruthbrennan6968]

40 mins in....beautiful explanation of freedom.

[@BecketCook]

Thank you. God Bless

[@reginaford8575]

Our faith is radical. We are too soft! We must be students of 1 and 2 Peter and go on VOM, Voice of Martyr’s website to put our lives in the perspective of heaven!!!

[@seanswart8102]

Becket, great interview - Sean M, great first name and interview! ;-)

[@BecketCook]

:)

[@mayragarciasanchez9305]

I have never thought of Daniel, as an example of the way we should live in a crooked world!!! Great example... What a great guest! If this book is for young kids, imagine what it could do to grown ups who are willing to put into action some of the examples or advices 🤩 The only thing I could not agree on 100% is about "the gay christian" topic. I think that Genesis 1 is the basis of knowing that if we are male and female and if we have a true understanding of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, there is no grey area and therefore no possibility of someone being "gay christian" Now with that said, I would like to add that I am not condemning people, just the action of homosexuality. Can a gay person turn to Jesus and be saved, once he/she have stopped sinning, absolutely!!! It is always a matter of loving the person, but not condoning or misinterpreting the sinful behavior... Anyways, great video and thanks for the great words of encouragement! 🥇

[@mayragarciasanchez9305]

what I would like to add, because I don't think that I elaborated well on my argument is that, when one person repents, they are "born again" they don't go on saying "I am a "prostitute Christian" just as well, a gay person, who is born again, doesn't not say I am a "gay Christian..." Romans 6:6 states it clearly: "This is what we know: the person that we used to be was crucified with him in order to get rid of the corpse that had been controlled by sin. That way we wouldn’t be slaves to sin anymore" Now, with that said, do I mean that christian people never sin, NO! But we call ourselves crhistians because we follow Christ, not our sin. Christ defines us, not our sins. And though we fall and sin again, we repent and we carry on because: 1 John 1:9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from everything we’ve done wrong. So am I am sorry, but it doesn't fit well with me the expression of "gay christian", because you either know that you have been saved through Jesus Christ, (John 19,30) or you are just giving into your flesh and haven't made up you mind. Thanks!!!

[@suestephan3255]

I have to correct you statement “turn to Jesus once he/ she has stopped sinning.” We come to Jesus because He draws us and then by His grace can stop a sin s we draw closer to Him and study His word. Beckett is a good example.

[@kellyschroeder2210]

Once again, thanks Beckett and Sean for a great conversation !!! 💙💙🙏🏻🙏🏻. Really appreciate the truth, encouragement, teaching and highlights of these important truths 👍🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻 God Bless you both !!! BTW had conversation briefly and person was bringing up the DNA “proof” of homosexual genes ?? - any info or reading/teaching on this ??? Thanks 🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻

[@padawan9922]

Your analysis of rebellion is spot on !!!!! I’m choosing to rebel against the god of this world .

[@paularuiz2487]

Thanks for sharing these ideas. I recently found your podcast and it is amazing thank you from Colombia

[@darlenemeyers7385]

I would rather stand with God and be condemned by the world, than to stand with the world and be condemned by God.

[@natalyajohnston8387]

Wow!!!❤

[@CK-solutions]

19:49 As Sean recited Jesus' illustration about the plank and sliver in your eye, versus your brothers' - judge not, lest you be judged, I'm glad Sean expanded on it. To expressly judge ourselves first, before judging another. Because the Holy Spirit quickly highlighted the scripture where Jesus demonstrated this practically. He called the Pharisees into question, over this after bringing the adulteress woman before Him. Jesus asked - who among you is without sin, cast the first stone? In other words, God would prefer no judgement over unrighteous judgement. Which is exactly what Jesus achieved in going to the cross. His obedience meant God did not have to punish mankind for their sin, so mankind could seek Him out. Free instead of bound. That's what Beckett's testimony reveals so much. He had the freedom to live his own truth. Until in the end he judged - is this all there is? That's when the Lord left his calling card, at the cafe. Delivered by those willing to speak truth, and treat him like a brother. Had those servants at the cafe, been like the Pharisees, they would have picked up their stones instead of their bibles - and brother Beckett's fate would have been very different. This conversation wouldn't have been had, and I wouldn't know about the book.

[@adamvillemaire984]

I also thank & praise God for having put people on the road of my life WHO TOLD ME THE TRUTH ..... I was approached by Jéhovah Witnesses.....a guy behind me in class TOLD ME THE TRUTH about that ...i did not go A man told me the TRUTH about Mary.....i was a devout Roman Catholic....i was stunned but believed him & scripture ...eventually left RCC But .....it was Holy Spirit Himself that gave me a powerful conviction that my homosexual lifestyle was sinful & the strenght to repent from it....very difficult but i chose to obey ...now voluntary celibate ... God gave me the love & persuit of truth..... Yes i am so greatful for Giod's love & caring

[@BecketCook]

God Bless

[@SardisTheYardDog]

GUYS! There is a HUGE amount of spam here. Is there any way you can block them?

[@joshcollective]

Can you please elaborate further?

[@lizajane54]

Click the three dots on right side; click report; unwanted content, spam. You won’t see it again it will be erased from your view. I think Becket can delete it permanently so nobody sees it.

[@maryowen1722]

AMEN x 200x 1000!!!!!!

[@marylennon9159]

Greetings all the way from Ireland where the name "Sean" very common so think there may be some Irish blood there. Now 84 thank God the Holy Spirit uses my cell phone to guide me to great podcasts like yours and also Larry Alex, amazing insights all lined up with scripture and also Texe Marrs very sound too thank God. That said yes cell phones sadly used for great level too.

[@lauraalbertson7821]

This is just what I need to hear . Please pray for a little Church in Northern California. An ELCA Lutheran Denomination . They have lost half of the congregation because of LGBT… I am new there . And just heard about this happening to them . I am feeling JESUS wants me to help them in some way . Thank you 🕊😇 Your Sister , Laura 💜p.s. I know how The Lord feels about this subject. Please pray for me to stand in Faith for this is The Lord’s Battle . They are opposing HiM . We know how that will end . I already love these people.

[@jakkistaatmcdonald4555]

I feel like a sponge taking this all in...."keep the main thing the main thing"

[@LoriLev1107]

Oh darn! I could have seen you in Tucson! That's my old church.

[@lynnboulton574]

Becket do you have a tract that you share with people?

[@jemk2875]

How do I talk about my views on lgbt+ stuff with affirming Christians who only want to read stuff that matches that view?

[@jackyurus6226]

I am a pastor in New York. Is there a way I can contact you. I have questions about helping young people that are retransitioning. I think churches need to prepare for another Jesus revolution. There was a point made in the move that stood out. “People doing drugs is a cry for help”. When they came to an end of the road and didn’t find the answers they were looking for, the doors of the church were shut. This issue is much more complicated than opening your doors to a hippy that looked for answers in drugs. I would let a drug addict attend church, even if he was high, while he was seeking help. I would not allow him to do drugs, sell drugs or make comments to kids about how good it feel to get high. I also would welcome a homosexual the same way, which we have, but I was really conflicted when he started telling the other youth that he had a crush on one of the other boys, never mind how it made the boy feel. My heart is to want to help. I know at times things can be said in ignorance that are offensive, my goal is to educated my church.

[@ElliottWong2024]

Hey Beckett. I don't know if you remember, but I asked you a while back to invite Arianna Armour onto your show. She is an ex-transgender who came to Christ and detransitioned less than two years ago. You should ask her whether we as Christians should use people's preferred pronouns.

[@mrscp04]

I wish I knew what he meant by prophetic voices? I follow his KZbin channel, I'll have to investigate. I am of the understanding that there are no more prophecies given in this day and age. He's an interesting speaker for sure. God bless you both. Thanks.

[@BecketCook]

He meant truth tellers when he said prophetic voices. Like the OT prophets called out sin and told the truth.

[@mrscp04]

@@BecketCook thank you!

[@danielguitron]

1 Corinthians 16:13 KJV 13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

[@teresarodriguez821]

I believe living our convictions without compromise, defend the gospel, hate sin, love people and don't try to fit in. Never give in to the far left and don't break under pressure, they will try to push you. You will offend the world, we are in this together trying to win souls. Know your purpose in this life, know your gifts and calling and don't please people, please God and you will shine in this broken world. People are broken and you are here to lead them to Christ, shine the light in the darkness.

[@PennySmart]

"those little demonic gadgets we call smartphones" 😂 love Becket 's sense of humour!

[@Yipper64]

28:05 in a way I think hes saying you cant legislate people's individual actions to a certain extent. Or something.. Theres gotta be a better way to word this, but basically I can agree with this idea, because think about the pharisees, how they would legislate morality in a way that isnt even biblical.

[@goldencity777]

What??? You were in Tucson?? I missed you!!! Grrr 😩

[@Jackjohnjay]

I’m not sure I would describe Jesus as kind and I’m honestly not sure that’s helpful? He was merciful, grace filled, forgiving, but he was truth telling. He flipped the tables, he called out sin, he spoke what seems so be harshly and directly. He spoke truth in ways that weren’t always received. Most people wouldn’t call that ‘kind’.