How to Recover From Fish Oil

[@KevinZJR]

Summary: 1. Cut down non-ARA omega-6 but ensure adequate ARA intake. 2. Cut down EPA intake but ensure some DHA intake. 3. Make sure the ARA/EPA ratio is high enough. 4. Calculate your vitamin E requirement based on your PUFA intake in the past 4 years and take it. 5. Don't forget other antioxidant nutrients because vitamin E is a small part of the antioxidant system.

[@KevinZJR]

Source of ARA (from my own research): Offals (e.g. kidney, liver, heart) and eggs are the best source. It's also ubiquitous in animal meat. It's like vitamin B5, everywhere but in small amount.

[@rhollyday]

@@KevinZJR Take Borage oil (GLA) as precursor to ARA? Is algae DHA worth taking to avoid EPA? Thanks

[@GeronimoPlaz]

​@@rhollyday just eat eggs

[@chickybiker]

Thank you, Iris! So kind. ❣️

[@alexzbiciak]

Chris, thank you for your constant deep dives.

[@mickiimmanivong]

I have suspected that my high doses of Omega 3 DHA and EPA was causing my increasing lipid peroxidation. This discussion may have confirmed my suspicions. And yea my AA is also low and AA/EPA is low. I tried taking E in the form of tocopherol but it wasn’t lowering my lipid peroxidation. Now I am realizing I am not taking enough. I need to stop supplementing with fish oil as well as other pro oxidant supplements and beef up on my antioxidants and hopefully lipid peroxidation will finally start declining. This came to me at the right time!

[@chrismasterjohn]

Don’t forget about the AA/EPA balance as a potential cause of symptoms.

[@truthpopup]

Supplement manufacturers have financial incentive to recommend the maximum tolerable dose on their labels. I have found that in most cases, a much lower dose than that recommended on the label is better for me.

[@KevinZJR]

Exactly.

[@fred.nestler814]

YOU'RE LOOKIN HEALTHY!! THANKS FOR THE ADVICE!

[@Sarahizahhsum]

Yeah I stopped craving seafood after my awful reaction to fish oil. I kept trying to take it but always got sick, no matter how pure. It had gotten so bad that I am now reacting to even fish. I may update my recommendations of seafood. Its just very rich in other nutrients, especially iron in shellfish. But I'm starting to question this omega 3 nonsense.

[@redberries8039]

Is there an answer to this that isn't 48mins long?

[@Dedicated_.1]

Lmao

[@mc4056]

Multiple part question and 1.5x speed is your friend great information not to pass up.

[@KevinZJR]

Summary: 1. Cut down non-ARA omega-6 but ensure adequate ARA intake. 2. Cut down EPA intake but ensure some DHA intake. 3. Make sure the ARA/EPA ratio is high enough. 4. Calculate your vitamin E requirement based on your PUFA intake in the past 4 years and take it. 5. Don't forget other antioxidant nutrients because vitamin E is a small part of the antioxidant system.

[@redberries8039]

@@KevinZJR nice job - I feel motivated watch the whole thing.

[@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline]

The answer is almost no one in the US has this problem because of our omega 6 oil diets😅😅😅.

[@aniefro2403]

I really can’t tolerate EPA so this is great info. I think I’ve been focusing too much on the need for pge1 and forgetting that PGE2 is also important.

[@aniefro2403]

I just read this: “By inhibiting the release of arachidonic acid from cells, monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI's) inhibit PGE2 synthesis.” So this means that riboflavin and copper (via adequate vitamin A) are already increasing my arachidonic acid levels by increasing MAO A levels. This in turn makes me more tolerant of calcium and fatty acids. Dumb question - is GLA a source of arachidonic acid? Or is that strictly from meat and eggs and dairy?

[@lostieaddict]

As someone with epilepsy, I was diagnosed with hippocampal sclerosis which made me worried about the permanent scarring in my brain. I supplemented up to 3 grams of wild salmon oil every night for two years straight until I finally stopped having seizures 8 months ago. But at that time I also made the switch from oil supplements to a cod liver instead. I think the cod liver has been key in my recovery from epilepsy!! I take it after dinner. The cod liver helps tremendously with hunger-satiation in the evening, allowing me to fast through the night-- key for seizure prevention! Thank you Iris for your awesome question BTW..

[@aniefro2403]

Can I ask what your ethnic background is? Do your ancestors come from a place that would have eaten a lot of fish/seafood? Also it seems from what you are saying that you needed the vitamin A and D that is in cod liver oil in addition to fatty acids?

[@chrismasterjohn]

Very interesting. Probably vitamin A normalizing gluconeogenesis, and hypoglycemia was probably the cause of your epilepsy.

[@Sarahizahhsum]

​@@chrismasterjohnYes hypoglycemic attacks will cause epilepsy. I didn't know that about vitamin A. I have been supplementing for a while and my blood sugar dips are gone.

[@lostieaddict]

​@@chrismasterjohn Exactly. My blood sugar was low-- and I was always skipping breakfast, and my seizures were always at that time in the mornings.

[@Sarahizahhsum]

​@@lostieaddictHello my friend. So glad to have you on my channel. ❤

[@LaurenBradburyFarm]

Thanks Iris!

[@aniefro2403]

I am curious why low arachidonic acid made her intolerant to calcium citrate. I have had to drop acetyl carnitine again as it makes my calcium too low and my fingernails and hair start getting funny along with muscle pain. When kids with autism took Respen A which increases MAO A activity they suddenly had to take large doses of Calcium where previously they could not tolerate even a little bit of calcium or fatty acids. MAO A is a copper riboflavin dependant enzyme and now that I have riboflavin in place everything points to needing more calcium. But Calcium interferes with iron. Learning when and how to space everything.

[@chrismasterjohn]

As I stated we think poor cell cell junctions were impairing its proper distribution.

[@jasonlight4447]

Thank you Iris. Thanks Chris.

[@marlesecarroll9686]

algae oil is working better for me, when I take fish oil I always get a Vitamin E deficiency

[@adelaidaa2568]

What is added to the algae oil that you take? I mean are there any antioxidants or tocopherols added to it? Were there any added to the fish oil you took? Would be happy about some infos :)

[@NordicRecover]

Do you know anything about that EPA should transform into DHA in The body ?

[@shelchicago8997]

Thank you Iris!

[@rdance3]

Why are there so few arachidonic acid supplements? The one's I see are almost always from bodybuilding suppliers.

[@Protolamna]

I've read some people claiming that EPA is easily converted to DHA in the body. But still I'm assuming it's better to just consume DHA if that's what is needed especially when pregnant. I've taken fish oil between 2 to 5 g for 22 years. Sometimes my diet has been low on arachidonic acid. I don't think I've had problems but now that I've cut dairy out for a few months I'm thinking about adding it back or getting some other consistent source of arachidonic acid.

[@RaM-xy8kg]

appreciate your content very much but what's the deal with the audio quality?

[@chrismasterjohn]

Can you look at a video from a couple years ago and let me know if the problem is new? I’m using same mic, same audio guy.

[@RaM-xy8kg]

@@chrismasterjohn yep, same as usual. just this time it occurred me to comment on it. i don't think it's the "not the right mic selected" as sometimes happens to some ppl because some light popping occurs so you are definitely using the mic in front of you. it's more like the audio is going through some harsh audio compression. maybe the recording settings are set to a very low bitrate/sampling frequency

[@gabyfridman7475]

Excellent. Thank You !!!

[@faimohkihfaimohkih8223]

Really curious what her omega 3 index was. I’m pretty religious about fish oil supplements to get my omega 3 index between 8-10.

[@kjr8660]

Love the videos from you, Chris)

[@lucyloudozarr9349]

I listened to this a second time today. I looked on substack for the transcript. Is that the right place to look for them for Masterpass members ? Would love to read this to help absorb more from it. Thank you.

[@chrismasterjohn]

This doesn’t have a transcript but I’ll consider making one if there’s enough demand. But such requests should definitely go on substack and not here.

[@dwoh4345]

I dont see the point of fish oil since it seems like getting enough long chain omega 3 is easy.

[@Mo-yj3wf]

Are omega-3’s needed for optimal thyroid hormones functiong?

[@dolapoojo5463]

sources of arachidonic acid other than egg?

[@kimarunas6826]

Liver

[@chrismasterjohn]

Liver

[@KevinZJR]

Offals like kidney, liver, heart is the best source. It's also ubiquitous in animal meat. It's like vitamin B5, everywhere but in small amount.

[@terifelts1585]

@@chrismasterjohn I take dehydrated kidney from Ancestrial Supplements due to histamine going off when I eat. Is na dehydrated form of organ meat adequate to get your AA? If so how much should one take?

[@ChuckleberrySoup]

Will taking Borage Oil (for it's high GLA content) help balance a high intake of EPA/DHA

[@chrismasterjohn]

Indirectly, better to get AA, preferably from animal fat.

[@maryn.4492]

Chris why when i supplement with any of these oils, borage, flax, fish, vitamin e does my brain or head feel like it's going out the roof? I get very very edgy, nervous and high strung on good quality oils. So i just don't supplement with oils anymore.

[@mc4056]

So even if I dont eat much fish but take 3 grams of Fish Oil a day I should supplement with AA too? If so how much or what ratio of epa/dha to aa.

[@chrismasterjohn]

Basically just eat eggs and liver.

[@T.J]

Is hemp oil a well balanced oil for everyday seasoning ? Thank you !

[@timetowakeup6302]

Hemp oil is great. It’s for a ideal Omega balance.

[@chrismasterjohn]

I prefer to get EFAs from animal foods.

[@T.J]

@@chrismasterjohn Ok thank you !

[@nishantjain5821]

I have taken too much fish oil. I take it with antioxidants. Never had problem

[@imalamboman12]

I would think that including portions of fatty fish, a few nuts like almonds, olive oil, some good peanut butter, provides enough omega 6 and 9s along with vitamin E.

[@chrismasterjohn]

Missing eggs and liver.

[@rickduker4969]

Is CLO a substitute for liver?

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

since i take 8-10g omega 3 fatty acids, i feel much better. more calm, more focus, more energy, less hunger (great to get down my body weight), less inflammation, muscles feel stronger and growing. how much is too much? i don't know, but for now i will stick with it.

[@chrismasterjohn]

Seems too much to me though you report it is working for you.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@chrismasterjohn i think it is highly individual as the current omega-6/omega-3 balance is. i guess for me there was a huge imbalance.

[@KevinZJR]

How long have you been taking this dose of O3? It may work for you for a while, but getting worse after some time.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@KevinZJR you are absolutely right. this high dose might not be a suitable long term dosage. now it has only been two weeks. and maybe after one or two moths i will go down a bit. i for sure will look again in the interview from rhonda patrick with a guy who talked about a study with a 25g dose. sadly there are not many studies around with higher dosages and dose dependent relationships. and because everyone is in a different state, there is no one-size-fits all recommendation. similar to vitamin D, where you need to know your blood level and then you can decide what supplemental dosage might be appropriate.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

Wow I thought I was consuming a lot of omega 3 at about three grams per day. It’s quite possible that if you lower your omega 6 intake you can still experience a lot of the benefits you’ve reported at a lower omega 3 intake. I get a ratio of omega 3:6 of around a 1:1 or 1:2 each day. I had to eliminate pretty much all seed oils and cut back on the nuts to get there, but it’s been working for me.

[@lynnwilliams5432]

Too many sardines?

[@WhiteOak09]

That is something I wished I could crave and eat and I wish when my son was little I feed him good quality sardines so he'd love healthy fish .

[@fullercrowley]

Is anyone still talking about orthorexia? It damages so many people who get fixated on "eating right," which is espoused by the trillion dollar supplement and nutrition industries. I nearly fell prey to it myself in the 2010s, so I know. I was obsessed with what I put in my mouth and had a cabinet full of expensive supplements. I hope Iris can find her way back from that nightmare of disordered eating and not just re-fixate on balancing her fat intakes. After that it will be something else. Please, let's just listen to our bodies that we're so much out of touch with, eat real foods, and enjoy our lives.

[@JoshPhoenix11]

I haven't seen anyone talking about it. Im sure most people dont know it exists only having heard of Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia Nervosa as the eating disorders. I always use Orthorexia Nervosa as a supporting argument in my Veganism argument. The 2 active/functional forms of B12 being my main argument because its not widely know the B12 blood serum test doesnt test the functional B12 levels and it can even show normal levels of B12 but the functional B12 levels actually be depleted. And the dangers of prolonged B12 deficiency is irreparable brain damage and cognitive impairment. And to make it an unarguable argument I say when you have cognitive impairment in Executive Functioning, depending on the extent you will be unable to even cognize the how serious the issue is of how Veganism is effecting your brain because its been damaged.

[@chrismasterjohn]

She’s tolerating more foods as she balances the FAs. So what’s the evidence this is a psychological problem? She isn’t fixating on avoiding foods she’s determined to tolerate them.

[@nobodynothing2594]

What about omega 3 Iintravenously?

[@JoshPhoenix11]

@@nobodynothing2594 Pretty sure you cant have oil in your blood, if it were possible to inject it would probably need to be subcutaneous, not in a vein but into your butt cheek or somewhere with a short needle.

[@elizabethm247]

If that's what you're most worried about, why are you watching these videos? There are a lot of individuals struggling with autoimmune issues that can see a great deal of improvement simply by paying closer attention to diet and supplements. I personally have gone from being disabled and nearly housebound to being able to lead a completely normal life, solely via changes to diet & supplements. Videos like this have given me the information I needed to make the required changes and see the improvements. Omega 3 supplementation is specifically an issue because it's often recommended in high doses without caveats or warnings for individuals with conditions such as myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome. The content Chris is providing here is a rare take and incredibly valuable.

[@jirihutecka9020]

Chris can you do video on how or if carbs/insulin is cause of inflammation? Because low carbers are talking a lot about sugar causing inflammation, but they never say what is the mechanism.. Is that because glycogen holds water in the muscles/body they thing this water retention is inflammation or what?

[@chrismasterjohn]

This seems so wildly out of field that it isn’t interesting to me.

[@Ian-io3yt]

I emailed you asking for your opinion about creatines effect on reducing glycation. You never responded. Can you at least give a brief answer what your impression is on that subject? Thank you sir

[@caaliin]

This video exists because a client paid for Chris's time. Chris doesn't owe anybody a response for free. You can easily look into options on how to get advice from him

[@chrismasterjohn]

I don’t use email for conversations. I would give you a brief answer here but you did not say what your question is.

[@Ian-io3yt]

@@caaliin There's an email address contact on his website which I was under the impression based on the information about email correspondence on the site that he might respond. I never said he owed me anything, but since he seems to enjoy educating the public on nutrition, I figured it might be worth a shot to ask him about this

[@Ian-io3yt]

@@chrismasterjohn I was just wondering if you had any insights on if creatine would be good at reducing any AGE's or glycation in the body through the sugars binding to it and it being urinated out or through some other mechanism. It looks like the evidence is mixed but this is not exactly my area of expertise so I was wondering if you had any unique insights on this given your background

[@Mo-yj3wf]

26:00!

[@joerandom157]

Full stop. Sardines plus keto LDL levels gave me a future CAC score. Luckily it was only three months of regular consumption. But there definitely was damage done. Also, humans carbon recycle PUFAs of all kinds, much like animals. PUFAs become saturated fat much more than burnt for fuel and converted to useful forms.

[@iewauhedoc9970]

Can you elaborate?

[@RegularGuyism]

This PUFA paranoia is so stressful. It's in everything.

[@chrismasterjohn]

If they’re coming to get you, it doesn’t make you less paranoid that they are everywhere you go.

[@cunningham.s_law]

gotta get a better mic man

[@chrismasterjohn]

Can you look at a video from a few years ago and let me know if the problem is the same? I haven’t changed mics but maybe this one is dying?

[@royzero1485]

@@chrismasterjohn Sounds like you are getting phasing issues which would mean there is more than one microphone picking up audio at once, like maybe a built-in laptop mic in addition to your main mic.

[@thordoomskullsplitter5124]

I gulp down mouthfulls of flaxseed oil and cod liver oil daily. The more the merrier