Hunter Avallone vs John Doyle | IRL DEBATE

Hunter Avallone faces off against John Doyle and a hostile audience on the issue of traditional gender roles. Hosted by Uncensored America at The University of Tennessee.
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[@hunteravallone]

This was my FIRST in real life debate in front of a live audience. The hostile audience didn’t do me any favors and I definitely wasn’t perfect, but overall I’m quite pleased with how I did and the overall experience. I know some wanted a bloodbath, but the format agreed upon didn’t allow for much of that. More so, John giving his points, me debunking them, and so on. Either way I hope you all enjoyed and I look forward to doing more live debates in the future!

[@Victor-gz8ml]

You did well for your first public debate. You'll get better as you do more. Great job Hunter!

[@AlexSciChannel]

I thought you were very funny and very charismatic to for how biased the audience was. And you definitely didn't reaffirm any strawmans in their heads and it did you great favors to make fun of the stereotypical SJW strawman and bring up how you live more the trad dream than John does.

[@BaSSickbro]

I think you bodied John Soyle he came off as really weasely and dishonest.

[@Alex-hj1vk]

You handled the audience well and stood your ground, especially during the discussions surrounding men's mental health.

[@cwm6203]

@@BaSSickbro no he didn't 🤣🤣Hunter was the one that came off as really weasely and dishonest.

[@sachascharovsky1632]

19:34 hunter suddenly getting eight times as loud scared the living shit out of me

[@doodoocheeks420ballsac5]

That's when he lost the debate IMO

[@tochichiagoro3483]

​@@doodoocheeks420ballsac5 when who lost the debate?

[@sachascharovsky1632]

@@tochichiagoro3483 doyle. hunter's tremendous force of voice terrified him. if you see the video, you can see john doyle literally turn into a penguin live on video i saw it

[@jeff8124]

Sorry :/ I put it a gain of THREE and my computer added a zero to that.

[@tochichiagoro3483]

@@sachascharovsky1632 oh I didn't see it yet, I thought you were saying hunter shouted over Doyle like he was dragonborn

[@AlsoCord]

Be careful around the 18 min mark or you’ll get your eardrums blown out

[@evo8150]

Thx for the warning

[@premiumpoised9431]

19:33 is when it spikes

[@queenmadison2743]

I was at work and had this in my speaker all the way up because before that point the mic was low…my entire store looked in my direction and I turned off the debate scared it would happen again

[@waterzero5461]

@@queenmadison2743 that had to be incredibly embarassing

[@CONTlNGENCY]

i read this too late

[@enzoaraya4796]

As someone who used to watch both in my right wing phase seeing this is surreal and weirdly cathartic

[@meltedWax169]

I bet the world is very weird for people that've experienced it

[@enzoaraya4796]

@@meltedWax169 wdym?

[@mrcocoloco7200]

@@enzoaraya4796 Yeah me too.

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Reformation truly is possible. I use to be a right winger as well and now I’m a leftist. I think we all went through a weird right wing phase when we were younger

[@mrcocoloco7200]

@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 Facts.

[@Squeaxx]

anytime I see doyle’s name I just imagine the “o’doyle rules” family from billy madison and it won’t stop.

[@pi172]

Ah, another person of culture : )

[@JazzOLantern]

my wife is the same way

[@pi172]

​@@JazzOLantern the same way as the commentator above, the same way as O'Doyle, the same way as Billy Madison or the same way as John Doyle?

[@Chipster988]

Me too 😂😂😂😂

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Am I a bad person for imagining him having a similar car ride? 😏

[@nihilistichorse9650]

I've just seen Doyle's opening so far and am rather grossed out how many shallow jabs he has towards women that don't agree with him as ugly etc.

[@gingersavastano4879]

Ok, I thought it was just me.

[@Snorlaxx64]

The amount of just straight wrong info is astounding. What am ignorant cunt.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

My favorite part about it is he think he's attractive 🥴 wouldn't be that loser with a wet dick if he were on fire

[@Dreigonix]

Doyle is that one kid who never really grew out of giggling maniacally while ripping the wings off of bugs. In an alternate timeline, he grew up to be Clown from Dead By Daylight. (In ours, he’s just a regular clown.)

[@stopsimping8631]

Woman that don’t agree with him are literally ugly, this is simply true, there were about 5 blue haired feminists in the back of the room who were dysgenic ugly and disgusting

[@kimohuang3474]

the "thousands of years" that Doyle consistently mentioned women failing to start a successful business in also includes the thousands of years that married women were literally banned from being able to work- especially considering that women were married at a VERY young age during those time periods

[@Crutonwyt]

No shit. He implies this. In a world where men take charge and rule, and often put woman below them, it’s going to be very difficult for woman to compete. There’s many reasons why it’s not the other way around too. If woman were on par with men in terms of competition and conquer. they wouldn’t have been oppressed throughout history.

[@kimohuang3474]

@@Crutonwyt implying and leaving gaps for the audience to interpret are NOT good enough when it comes to these types of debates. your argument makes no sense. yes, women were never able to show that they were capable because they were NEVER GIVEN THE CHANCE. World War II was one of the first opportunities they had to work. please take a basic history class before trying to reply to someone on youtube with nothing but sarcasm and big words

[@kimohuang3474]

@@bobbobbington3615 well, bob bobbington, the definition of being oppressed is LITERALLY being prevented from having the same opportunities and freedom as others- which indeed was inflicted on women throughout history. it is a social practice. in a time where women are able to actually provide for themselves and not rely on men in a patriarchal society (aka now, in case that flew over your head too!), they are definitely NOT inferior. please, give me logical and factual evidence that women are inferior- preferably evidence that doesn’t make you sound even dumber and ignorant than you already do :)

[@Usrr6466]

@@bobbobbington3615well that could be applied to anything, black people were oppressed does that make them inferior?

[@jaded1885]

I'm laughing at his Gender statement at the beginning rn. I'm dying.

[@ReticentCaptain]

Gen-Der ... that word that ... umm, sounds like *incoherent anglo-centric wrongness*... If you google it... it comes from the french word gendre, which means type. lol

[@jaded1885]

@ReticentCaptain have you ever seen the south park clip of the scientist coming to weird conclusions?😭😭😭😂😂😂

[@jaded1885]

@ReticentCaptain look up South Park Cancelled Theories.

[@EclecticNero]

@@jaded1885 Omg yes exactly!

[@Ugg_Son_Of_Thogg]

Literally Facebook conspiracy theory bullshit trying so hard to frame a game or some other form of media as "satanic".

[@louyon277]

Doyle can’t help himself from throwing dehumanizing jabs towards women every time he speaks

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

I’m shocked

[@ale.6195]

That and attacking minorities while acting like white cis men are victims

[@tokukeitaro]

He is an incel king. He should start an MLM post haste to monetize his fans.

[@louyon277]

@@tokukeitaro all part of the grift right?

[@Alex-hj1vk]

"We love women, don't we folks?" 💀😏

[@radioactivechainsaw]

Just so everyone knows, the "der" in gender does not etymologically refer to skin. The root word for skin is "derm" and is usually used as a prefix, as in "dermatology." The word gender is derived from the Latin term "genus" which is defined as a type, sort or kind. From the quick Google search I did, it appears the "d" appeared in the word as an additive from Old French, where they typically put a "d" after an "n" (thunder, spindle, etc.) Love how Doyle just pulled false etymology seemably right out of his butthole. Bet he felt so smart when he came up with that one.

[@haydenferris3465]

i literally lost brain cells when he was saying that bruh

[@Artofcarissa]

Lol yeah it reminded me of that scene from my wife and kids where he was breaking down the word cartoon

[@reedplaysgames]

I noticed that too, but it’s really not a big deal because no argument was being made in saying that. Sure, it’s a mistake and sure, he pulled that out of his ass, but it doesn’t really support any argument anyway so no need to call it out specifically.

[@haydenferris3465]

@rbxl010ah man don’t get me wrong hunter’s a doofus too

[@mercmouth1]

I find it funny how noone in the audience caught that

[@kellenwilliamson861]

I can't possibly imagine why some people are so against stay at home dads and breadwinner moms. I grew up with that situation (for the most part) for my entire childhood and it was just what was to me. I think I turned out alright with that sort of system between them. I can't fathom why people are so against that.

[@dapongpong356]

In general women are happier at home raising their children/maintaining the household and men are happier as providers/protectors. It’s our natural biological roles as human beings.

[@flowerfields4345]

Men don’t breastfeed

[@jacineyatrakos3149]

@@flowerfields4345 some men But also, so fucking what?

[@doctordoom1851]

@@flowerfields4345 Neither do many women lol, what is your point???

[@MadddyDawg50]

@@dapongpong356 ehhh that’s social conditioning. I mean when I like to be home it’s to laze around not keep house. And I don’t like the idea of being a housekeeper for a guy. I want to be a lawyer and make my own money and if my husband or wife wants to do that too I’ll support them

[@miswaridi4962]

Doyle played the crowd because he obviously had no evidence. He wouldn’t even name the “studies” he was citing for the most part, and had to lean on the crowd being too giggly to notice

[@zleeven]

Just like xan said about sneeko, they need their audience to validate then because that is all they have. Impirics and reality are not at their side, so they just appeal to the masses to say they are correct.

[@Alex-hj1vk]

Yes he is quite charismatic and he did the "appeal to common sense" thing a lot. Hunter would not have been able to get away with that.

[@donth8apreci871]

Yes he did. That is how these types of debates work. It's not a live chat. I hate to say it, but Doyle got the best of him in this type of debate because of that. It's like a Presidential debate

[@coolfrog3552]

He played the crowd because that’s a important part of a debate. You’re not trying to change your oppositions ideas your trying to challenge the audience’s ideas

[@coolfrog3552]

He named the studies and the ones he didn’t you can look up

[@DissedRedEngie]

John: who are these people enforcing gender roles? also John: well maybe you did fail as a man I think the answer to that question is within the confines of a mirror.

[@quinnrosenberg3500]

One thing I noticed in John Doyle's opening statement is he takes stats that say "most people fit into gender roles" and extrapolates that to "all people". He never says this directly, but he leads you to that conclusion, and reframes the debate to be about this. He directly says that in order for Hunter to win he has to prove that NOBODY fits into gender roles, which is impossible. It's very fucking sneaky. Even his own stats disprove his point that ALL people fit into gender roles, but he brings them up as if they dont. You only notice what hes doing if you pay close attention. Right wingers in general have very binary thinking, either everyone fits into gender roles or nobody does, and "most" is basically the same as all.

[@meltedWax169]

Yeah i have noticed alot of its this or that there is no inbetween, its like compromising in any regard is weak or something.

[@askandanswer1503]

Aren't you saying that there should be no gender roles and that they are almost all harmful doesn't seem like you can judge

[@kaziem]

This is intentional - if you concede the boolean nature of your argument - you then have to acknowledge you are an extremist and at the very extreme of the spectrum you are actually in and that is the only reason you view it as a boolean.

[@quinnrosenberg3500]

@@kaziem hunter missed his chance to call this out and paint John doyle as an extremist who wants a christian ayatollah. Right wingers always hide the ball with their beliefs, and john got more mask off as the debate went, but hunter could have cut off that dance immediately and it would have made him look more reasonable. In general I think hunter lost the debate because he was so concerned with defending his position rather than attacking John's. His tactic of saying restrictive gender roles makes people less happy and free was good, but overall poorly worded since he didnt emphasize the freedom part. When debating the right you have a couple goals: come across as more affable, paint your opponent as an extremist, never play defense. On most of these hunter failed.

[@ReticentCaptain]

The part I disagreed with is, Doyle also managed to argue that pro-independent women rhetoric is actually in fact an anti-gender role argument by principle, which it is not... Basically, wanting people to be able to choose freedom to live the way they want is not the same as being against traditional lifestyle, choosing which lifestyle you want is the point!

[@mlmoore1341]

Talking about etymology, Doyle's last name means "dark (haired) stranger", does that mean we need to avoid him like "stranger danger"? Maybe...

[@josiahmadera9796]

I think he's catholic but I'm not 100% sure

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Well his idol is Pedo Mark Walsh soooo... yes. Definitely keep him away from schools plz

[@AnyHeroBlake]

@@josiahmadera9796 *stranger danger intensifies*

[@Gigislaps]

Hunter- as an abuse survivor, hearing you talk about proving emotional abuse, I teared up. You did a phenomenal job and you should be so proud of yourself

[@frocco7125]

I think he could have performed better, but he's on the right side!

[@trondundermuff3564]

Yeah, uh no…

[@xcricket6631]

Doyle said Asian men are not committing suicide in this country, but Asia has an incredibly high rate of suicide in men because of the pressure to succeed so I don’t know why he wouldn’t think it’s the same here with American men

[@societyisscaredofmasculine8546]

Men in Japan aren't committing suicide because of pressure to succeed.. they are committing suicide because they aren't admired, supported & respected. Men like a challenge, men like to work hard.

[@MetalxLicaxPP]

@@societyisscaredofmasculine8546 In Japan specifically, Japanese men kill themselves because they don't live up to their parents and societies expectations. A massive number of suicides are students that can't handle the pressure of it all.

[@bluekey1470]

@@societyisscaredofmasculine8546 have any evidence for your claims?

[@kalabra611]

@@EyePatchGuy88 so he's comparing a smaller amount of population that are mostly made of immigrants to the local majority population?

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

I lost it when John Doyle said that Asian men don't committ suicide nearly to the same extent as white men. Sure, in America maybe. But take a look in Asia, a country that's VERY socially conservative and see how the suicide statistics are looking.

[@askandanswer1503]

Socially conservative for GDP reasons and they are not religious so he'd say it proves his point to some extent

[@ale.6195]

@@askandanswer1503 I'd argue that Asia is relatively religious. Oh right, Americans (and most of the west) just think of the East when Asia is mentioned. Countries like Indonesia, India Bangladesh, Kazakhstan, etc, are quite religious

[@askandanswer1503]

@@ale.6195 Well it's china that your talking about when it comes to suicides isn't or are Asian just suicidal across the board

[@ale.6195]

@@askandanswer1503 No, I'm not. You clearly know nothing about Asia. Indonesia: 15.23 attempts per 100,000 individuals. West Sulawesi(a province in Indonesia) has 81.10 attempts per 100,000 individuals. China: 10.3 attempts per 100,000 individuals. Kazakhstan: 17:90 attempts per 100,000 individuals. Japan: 16.8 attempts per 100,000 individuals.

[@zaarongaming8174]

So when you take their culture and put it in a country where they're not working 12 hours a day 6 days a week they're not committing suicide

[@JazzOLantern]

He keeps bringing up wild animals where the females take care of the babies the most, what about animals like seahorse, sunfish, marmosets, penguins, or the sandpiper where when the female lays her eggs, she flies off to mate again, leaving the father to care for the offspring.

[@sugasweet435]

Cherry-picking 🍒

[@Sparx632]

Not only is it an appeal to nature fallacy but it’s wrong.

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

Wait how do the males know it's their child?

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

@@sugasweet435 Shut up!

[@tahahagar7664]

Not only did you try and argue for exceptions, but you even failed at that when none of these animals are even mammals like humans 🤡🤡🤡

[@rarded]

The majority of the debate is John Doyle looking at the far-right audience for validation lol I cant even count how many times he did this.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

He's not looking for approval, he's looking for help, he's being murdered and everyone just *watched*

[@michaelvela5869]

Far right?😂 I love how him standing for family values and the alike is now considered “extreme” What a bubble people like you live in lol

[@rarded]

@@michaelvela5869 Google what a strawman is and then ask yourself why you replied with one. Get therapy too :)

[@no-yp8gz]

@@michaelvela5869 when are you writing your manifesto you watch milleniathinker you school 🔫

[@d-miller4913]

@@michaelvela5869 i find so funny how lots of Hunter fans including me were able to live a trad-life while being a leftist, living and defending the real family values, so yeah i love this "bubble" where i stay safe and you guys can stay coping and seething about feminism whatever makes you people triggered and keep going down in the depressing far-right rabbit hole, we love living your dreams buddy!

[@politicsnerd169]

Glad you put this out so quickly. I had a hard time watching the live stream for whatever reason it wasn't keeping up very well

[@Aukusua19]

Oh that stream was bad cuz the uni's wifi

[@cummywummy2896]

​@@Aukusua19lol really? That's kinda funny

[@Aukusua19]

@@cummywummy2896 I guess

[@leobriccocola8141]

Does Doyle know what "social" enforcement is lmao? It isn't the government busting down your door.

[@Lapis.hnk.1984]

The social enforcement is coming, be prepared…

[@lewisgregory769]

When we realise Hunter is the married man and thinks we shouldn’t be forced to adhere to strict gender roles but the person who says we should adhere to them, is single.

[@sugasweet435]

Quite ironic lol

[@rosiepink1]

he's (hunter) divorced...

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

@@rosiepink1 I wonder why.

[@rosiepink1]

@@knuclestheechidna5406 hunter is divorced, idiot. John will marry for life, because he’s a principled, masculine, & conservative man.

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

@@rosiepink1 Hunter is married, John is not you idiot. If he ever gets married, a woman would only marry him for his money or resources 🤣

[@darryljack6612]

It's amazing to see how far you have come Hunter, not just in terms of understanding of others but also in regard to ability of debate.

[@TawaniAnyangwe]

You can say that again. He has really matured in understanding his opponent and not falling for the distractions (e.g. the right wing cries by john doyle)

[@shadowknight1509]

@@TawaniAnyangwe Nothing wrong with being conservative

[@tutalilly]

@@shadowknight1509 i could think of a couple of things

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

@@shadowknight1509 Maybe not wrong, but immoral definitely (at least under the purview of current Conservative ideologies, which seek to conserve immorality under the guise of defending morality, which is quite the entertaining mental gymnastic if you think about it).

[@shadowknight1509]

@@bucherregaldomi9084 No there is nothing immoral with it either

[@marynwhite823]

I look up to you as a debater so much omg- Centering your opening statement around how gender roles negatively affect men, knowing your audience is expecting a women-based argument against a male-based argument on this subject, is so smart.

[@hunteravallone]

@@inregnumdei let’s talk!

[@neurotika]

@@inregnumdei ???

[@Potatoarmy12]

@@inregnumdei What?? u make no sense

[@adamduffield7782]

@@hunteravallone the reason why women are better care givers ie staying at home, is because they are naturally equipped to do the most basic of needs for a young infant, ie feed them, they're naturally equipped to do so. Their psychology is also attuned for it to fit this basic biological function. Even in the debate you pointed out that marriages where men are stay at home dads and women are the bread winners are more likely to end in divorce, you then say men are more likely to feel emasculated. I would like to add that over 85% of marriages are instigated by women, the simple fact is the majority of women expect their spouse to out earn them. This is not a coincidence. And as for male suicide, the rates are higher because society, (thanks to feminism) is geared to demonize men, especially white men! Look at the divorce courts, as you mentioned in the debate, they are geared to push women into destroying their ex partner/husband, not seeing their kids, being forced to leave the family home because the wife kicked him out to monkey branch to another dude, but still has to pay for everything! Now there might be outliers, like you and your wife, hope you have a long and happy marriage, until death do you apart, but for the vast majority of partners, this is not the case.

[@jamesbuchanan3145]

You're easily impressed

[@theprofessor2403]

Loved the debate, I watched both of you years ago! I would love to see more of this!

[@thevitaminwater4223]

Was so mad I couldn’t watch this last night, but here we are so yay ^^

[@arturo7129]

don't be, i watched it live and the stream cut off halfway for everyone

[@frocco7125]

Notice how mister Doyle got waaaay more time to do his introduction than Hunter did.

[@connorb1923]

The moderator said they agreed to that in the beginning

[@kaveman_realh9224]

Ehhh… it wouldn’t matter anyways. Listening to Doyle for any length of time feels like an eternity, with the brain cells lost to match.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

@@connorb1923 what a Chad move, Doyle needs an eternity to get his point across while Hunter needs a fraction 🗿

[@remington_acr1651]

@@AnyHeroBlakeat least try to bring a mature point to the table. Why is the amount of time one takes to make a point relevant? If the audience can understand and it’s a great point, it shouldn’t matter.

[@roma8855]

@@remington_acr1651 The problem is his opening DIDN'T make sense, it was too long of an opening, too many points that didn't flow together, he even had to start rushing through it near the end because he wrote too much which made it even harder to see him through

[@RandomPerson-eh7mn]

John talks a lot of game about how women would act as wives when he clearly has no wife or any honest contact or conversation with women It’s astonishing how confident he is to act like beauty standards have been the exact same throughout history, it’s so wrong it’s laughable. It’s also hilarious how he struggles with the idea that people are individuals and that people like different things.

[@Greatergood3]

Doyle is trying to convince himself he is strong, courageous, and intelligent by saying it’s biological

[@captainsimbadog8347]

bro that is a good comment

[@raskolnikov6443]

It is

[@coolfrog3552]

Bro is denying the obvious (talking about you)

[@zombieslayer7759]

Because it literally is.

[@FullOnMetalHead1995]

It literally is, but continue living in your clown world

[@politicsnerd169]

Just got to say hunter the drip is nice

[@malsake3739]

Glad he dropped the undershirt.. visible undershirt gives me “office guy working at the auto mechanic” or “tax accounting intern” vibe

[@Am3lia77]

1:11 it’s so weird seeing Hunter with formal clothes 😅

[@mrcocoloco7200]

Facts

[@ReticentCaptain]

It also looks like the formal clothes people wear when they don't normally wear formal clothes.

[@Joe-tc9vy]

@@ReticentCaptain 100% the formal clothes a guy picks out when he spends 99% of his time streaming from his basement in his pajamas

[@Jason21012]

@@ReticentCaptain honestly most young people don’t know how to dress formally. I don’t know exactly how old Hunter is, but asking an 18-25 to dress professional is a foreign concept to a lot of them. Of course, they usually learn after awhile, but its kinda messy at first.

[@lonniegabbie]

@@Jason21012 us young people just find formal clothes pretty boring for the most part

[@lizardman464]

Doyle's "red pill" on tobacco was such an incredibly stupid take, even for him. Cigarettes themselves are a fairly modern invention and they were around for nearly a century before people started smoking them like they do today, inhaling the smoke. It's also only modern times that allowed for production of mass quantities of them at prices that everyone could easily afford, leading both broadly to more of a smoking culture and also allowing for people to smoke more for less. Yeah Doyle I can't imagine why there would only be evidence of lung cancer being caused by tobacco when people started to inhale it and it became cheap and easy to manufacture.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

The idea that inhaling pollutants and getting cancer is because they're cheap pollutants is a dumb take. We've always smoked herbal substances. Shamanism goes back millennia. We couldn't identify lung cancer back then. They definitely fucking died from it, though.

[@zombieslayer7759]

His point was that people grew and smoked tobacco for centuries or even millennia and we didn't see widespread cases of lung cancer and death, and that it started to become commonplace with cigarettes. Come on dude. Did you fail reading comprehension that badly in grade school?

[@AnyHeroBlake]

@@zombieslayer7759 his point was people *recently* got lung cancer from only starting to inhale the smoke from modern cigarettes, *which is fucking wrong* Don't take the reading comprehension high road when you're the one failing it, retard

[@jiminplsletmehit7620]

@@zombieslayer7759 Did you miss the part where he said they were not SMOKING the tobacco?? You do realize that inhaling smoke is what gives you lung cancer, right champ??

[@Victor-gz8ml]

59:01 when I was 12 at my grandmother's funeral I started crying after the body viewing, and my dad took me aside and told me men shouldn't cry in public, and to save it for when we got home. Anecdotal but just disproves Doyle's theory that no man is told not to cry.

[@nianbozhang9070]

Kenshiro does not like that. Hope you’re in a better state when you can express your emotions

[@juratory8876]

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm hoping that you're doing better now.

[@jeff2209]

Thanks for confirming my theory all leftists have daddy issues

[@DuclosDocuments]

Your grandfather sounds fucking based. It’s true, real men save their tears for their solitude. As a man during times of extreme emotional duress, you use your strength to project a calm environment to keep the peace. Men with zero emotional control are exactly the wife beaters that Avalone was referring too.

[@terrystevens3998]

That awful rule is passed down generationally.. my husbands parents somehow taught my kids in teenaged years even though my husband and I had worked hard to not pass on the damage they had done to my husband shaming him for crying as a kid. All it takes is one asshole to tell a kid to suck it up and all progress is lost normalizing men having emotion. Shame is a hell of a drug.

[@timeisup3094]

Is funny people like John don’t see anger as an emotion. 🤣🤣

[@kseshshtern9968]

he said that men should control all emotions, actually even referred to stoicism, where did you get that?

[@nelicious5685]

@@kseshshtern9968 he said men are better leaders because they can control their emotions better than women. But men are the ones who hurt or even murder other people out of aggression😂 thats so ironic and john seems to have never considered anger as an emotion

[@kseshshtern9968]

@@nelicious5685 oh great, there are mentally unstable people and killers who hurt others, that completely destroys the argument that manliness is about controlling your emotions and being rational first. not to mention that aggression is an act, not an emotion.

[@nelicious5685]

@@kseshshtern9968 mentally unstable men*. Men who can‘t control their anger which leads to aggression, right🤷🏼‍♀️

[@shrub8644]

John Soyle deadass spoke for 16½ minutes straight in his opening speech while Hunter's speech was only 7 minutes

[@normalgamergal]

Lots of dumb people take a long time to say nothing. To those like me who got bored halfway through, the timestamp after his "speech" is 18:35

[@monopolizedopamine]

@@normalgamergal thank you. I was like one more pause and rant from just giving up on this and watching some gamer streams.

[@Nigel-nv3lr]

They agreed to those time slots lmao

[@SteppingStone445]

Did you not hear the beginning when it said that’s what they agreed to

[@the-renegade]

@@normalgamergal Thank you! I got highly wearied by his 10-minute rhetoric. I tapped out in 10 minutes.

[@paulb1480]

Just funny how one can assign the adjective 'submissive' to woman and describe men as 'autocratic' soon after in an attempt to show some difference in character. No submission to nobody there

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

So according to Wittle Johnny Fascist, my wife is NOT a "real" woman because she's got her PhD, loves to pursue her career, and doesn't have any desire to have children? Huh. Guess she fooled me good!

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@ZyklonBeast lol boyfriends? Ok Incel, whatever say! 🤣 Stay mad 😘

[@josiahmadera9796]

@ZyklonBeast god dang lol wow

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@ZyklonBeast and thatssssssss bad? That's supposed to be an insult lol? You stuck in 2009? 🤣 Cope harder, wittle Incel... your tears of jealously are so delicious 😋

[@lizardman464]

Shit, my wife earns more than me, doesn't want kids, and I'm openly emotional with her. Guess I'm just warming her up for chad according to John "definitely not an incel" Doyle.

[@LaSerpentDEden]

@ZyklonBeast I bet if you were poly you'd actually have sex for once in your life incel

[@jamesniagu274]

I love that I can learn, laugh, and get my debating skills up from Hunter Good to see you do a in person debate loved it

[@jeff2209]

One day you too can lose to doyle in a debate!

[@georgeworshington4120]

@@jeff2209 Many are saying this! Doyle - 2 hunter - 0

[@zombieslayer7759]

@@jeff2209 Yeah, lol. These are the kind of people who think that they are smarter than Dr. Jordan Peterson and would own him in a debate too. It's laughable hearing that from these 104 IQ nimrods.

[@jamesniagu274]

@@jeff2209 😂😂😂 no just no

[@keroberos2781]

I thought you’d said live laugh love

[@edgarantivarnanature.5256]

So glad this was re-uploaded. It was sad how it just stopped yesterday.

[@CGoetsch87]

If life decisions are biological, why did John's biology tell him to become Hunter's 'sentient fleshlight' to use his term.

[@delightfulsquirtle316]

10 mins in and doyle caused me to develop an aneurism already.

[@AnyHeroBlake]

How did you survive?

[@monopolizedopamine]

You are assigned male brain and female brain upon conception and testosterone makes you cheat and strengthens your handshake. 🌟🌈the more you know🌈🌟

[@punkccorpse]

@@AnyHeroBlake change the speed to 1.5 whenever doyle talks.

[@the-renegade]

@@punkccorpse I watch videos typically at 2x speed. I can't find a 4x option via mobile.

[@Crutonwyt]

Often happens to sensitive and immature people.

[@viziontrex]

Doyle's 17 minute opening act truly felt unending. How is it that these are allowed to go on for so long?

[@bigmanreef5749]

I don’t even know who John Doyle is, but here we go Ok, so here is an edit, with my notes I took as the debate went on: John Doyle makes his weakest argument at 30 minutes in or at least so far, arguing that domestic abuse isn’t a problem and probably isn’t real anyway. He justified this by saying his grandma didn’t get abused and it’s all made up by leftist media???? That was incredibly weak because I think he knows that’s a hard point. Hunter realllly shines through in his second response. He’s really holding him accountable, and Doyle can’t get away with using so many anecdotes now. Shame it’s cut short. John is resorting to little quips for response. I’ll admit Doyle is well spoken, I’ve never heard of him before. But he relies too much on just being well spoken and anecdotes to supplement his argument. At 1:20:00 John just starts repeating himself, despite Hunter counteracting his points with data. It’s almost as if John is now completely relying on charisma or anecdotes to supplement his argument. He really is just repeating himself and calling things false just to supplement them with anecdotes or nothing at all. At around 1:26:45 Hunter pulls a little bit of a Doyle by speculating that there is data to back up his point without knowing for sure (there is, but just a critique) At 1:32:30 I really loved to see an insight to the conservative infighting, trump v desantis. Makes me hopeful for a Republican Party split. It’s also funny that he self admits he follows trump like a cult member and then accuses DeSantis of all the things Trump had also done himself. I like how at 1:35:30 John is claiming to argue against capitalism but is actually making an anti populist argument, which we can all agree is ironic. Also being against democracy is extremely cringe. His point at 1:36:15 does stick though. But again that’s also an anti populist point which could be used against him. Is John Doyle a socialist?? Once again at 1:40:00 John’s point relies on socialization not existing. 1:44:00 John is right here but he’s wrong to say that’s the only method. It’s demonstrable that both work, and both should certainly be encouraged. Myself I tend to lean towards the natural route of physical self improvement, but that doesn’t work for everyone. That’s why it’s good to have multiple avenues. 1:48:00 is an interesting take I’ll have to look more into that. It’s true cigarettes are way worse than they used to be. And by extension, processed food is shit. 1:15:40 if they were fired, doesn’t that prove that the institution is against anti-white sentiments? 1:53:30 this sounds like bs. Maybe that’s because the claim is unsubstantial that they’re so stoic to it. 1:55:30 sexual McCarthyism is my new favorite way to describe this phenomenon. 2:01:18 now John is building a straw man of Hunter based on it towing the fact that subtlety and nuance doesn’t exist. This extremely weakens his argument. 2:09:30 mod guy makes a great point here. It’s encouraging to see so many people showing up for this type of engagement (even if it sometimes just turns into a kind of competition) Ok so final closing thoughts: John relied on a lot of charismatic speaking and anecdotes to supplement his argument, and it really shows when he started crumbling during the cross fire segment. Hunter was ripping him a new one and I would love to see more of that, and holding Doyle accountable for his claims. Also, they both looked like soy boys here, and it’s obvious that Doyle’s thin beard is an attempt at disguising that, but I can at least say that Hunter has achieved the trad life and Doyle is a virgin. That’s all.

[@pi172]

Former Subway Sandwich Artist who is not very bright but very fascist, so he quickly gathered an audience from his parents basement. And now he has an audience of millions with his fascist ramblings.

[@Am3lia77]

I remember Hunter mentioning him but I don’t know much about him either

[@blaireofhylia1572]

He's basically a nazi. There's footage of him saying horrible violent crap when he doesn't realize he's being recorded. The guy is disgusting

[@ericfurman5227]

@@pi172 “Former Subway Sandwich Artist” 🤣

[@pi172]

@@Am3lia77 his sister used to play his trad wife in his show intro. Dunno if this is still a thing XD

[@cloakedoblivion22]

The amount of fallacies John uses in his first 10 minutes of talking is remarkable, firstly ad hominem, appeal to nature, appeal to Authority, straw man, and the list goes on the longer I watch. Pathetic and remarkably unprofessional given how he touts himself

[@Colby_Cheese]

The “missed me” lines were awesome. I loved watching this debate, Hunter.

[@zetatheflooftm6642]

Not gonna lie, John Doyle looks like a depressed IT department manager.

[@MetalxLicaxPP]

Hey now, Manager is much too high of a position for Doyle.

[@everythingiseconomics9742]

I had to stop the video around 31:00 when Doyle said marital abuse wasn't prevelant in the 50's and 60's because when you ask "your" grandma she'll say "oh sweety, it wasn't so bad". Well, when * I * ask one of my grandmothers she can tell me about how her husband had beat her one day, and she started hurting herself in front of him as she threatened to go to the police. My grandfather refused to divorce her, and my country didn't have no questions asked, one party divorce until the 1970s. Even after they were divorced my grandfather still stalked her. Doyle's grandmother enjoyed those strict gender roles, mine didn't. Does he expect those gender roles will only apply to women that enjoy them, or does he simply not care about women suffering, as my grandmother did? I doesn't matter whether my grandma or your grandma suffered marital abuse 60 years ago, the fact is that millions of women around the world suffered it. And Doyle wants to being back the conditions which allowed for so much suffering.

[@ToastedFox]

Tbh as a man I always feel like a lot of masculinity has been taken advantage of by ideologies that oppress groups of people include men themselves. Capitalism has commodified masculinity. It takes advantage of the idea that if you don’t do something it means you are not a man. I agree that it feels like men feel like they have no purpose, but where that’s coming from isn’t some wave of feminism. The grind mindset can be taken advantage of easily. Just keep grinding until you achieve what you want but the grinding is getting longer to barely exist in this world. Idk just a few ideas and I don’t have time to expand on them all. I see so many “masculine” men take on very simple ideas that when the surface is scratched alittle fall apart immediately.

[@meltedWax169]

Alot of them seem to refuse to go deeper in a form of fear or something. Like running away or im not sure. Its some refusal or inability to look deeper, think deeper, not take it so damn literally, and look at the expanse alot of ideas could be but only stick with their interpretation and like almost refuse or can't seem to understand or accept others. I think it's in a fear that if they view it in a better light or something their ideas might be taken away or overwritten or something. Like that stupid fear of whiteness being removed from society.

[@ToastedFox]

@@meltedWax169 I do think a lot of it is just to keep others ignorant of these ideas to gain self power. Like they themselves know it’s foundation built in sand but they’re powerful ideas because it requires no thought to believe it.

[@bascal133]

Hunter was smart in framing his arguments around emancipation of men.

[@zacharybrown5367]

Yes, I think this is also where modern feminists have failed in messaging. The things feminists advocate for would in most cases also benefit men, but its been framed so antagonistically against men that they are off put by it. By rephrasing it as freeing men from oppressive roles the same arguments become way more appealing for the average guy.

[@bascal133]

@@zacharybrown5367 agree

[@TheTrogolizer]

Intersectionality yo

[@jeff2209]

Smart to repeat the same talking points that have been repeated by every leftist for the past decade? Lmao.

[@bascal133]

@@jeff2209 I disagree with that I think most of the time the focus is on improving the lives of women and the benefits men get are either not hyped or just mentioning mens problems is treated with contempt.

[@chaco5810]

I love how he presented a bunch of points so you couldn't respond to everyone.

[@TheDoggyGIR]

Awesome! Definitely going to have to check this out after work, here's a comment for the algorithm overlords.

[@xXthevenomousXx]

Lmao when Doyle said "young male monkeys tend to prefer dump trucks" I was surprised he would be referring to big asses like that in a formal setting. Then he kept talking and it was still nonsense.

[@ImaginarySam]

Hunter, bravo to you. The biggest mistake you made was putting this off for so long. You and John were both respectful and it was a quality debate. You have re-earned my respect even though I still don’t fully agree with you.

[@tyrlant2189]

He wants to destroy your family structure and take away your 2nd amendment...

[@kashpresentsofficial]

Real. They both did a great job. Gives me a lil more hope for future generations.

[@rtart.e5458]

Thanks for posting, the audio in the stream was not up to par

[@ronskfc]

So statistics of the 60’s and 70’s matter, but when Hunter brought up the scully stat Doyle dismisses it because it was back in the 90’s?! Doyle guaranteed his L right there.

[@happymolecule8894]

Destiny won this debate.

[@blightchip4236]

I can’t wait until our generation is in political office where we will use terms like “cope” and “mauled” during debates

[@stephentyree9296]

Listening to Doyle talk about masculinity is hilarious.

[@QuantumRipple]

I could breed him and I’m not even a guy anymore

[@zombieslayer7759]

Wow. Tell us what masculinity is all about friend. Explain to us how you are a shining example of it. I bet you're a 102 pound, drug and porn addict, with your hair dyed green, covered in tattoos and piercings, who has a diet that primarily consists of soy. It's laughable that someone like you is claiming to have a better understanding of masculinity than John or the rest of us.

[@HamSandvich]

@@QuantumRipple nigga 💀 u have severe mental illness

[@nathanandsugar5252]

Look up Hofstede. He defines “masculinity” as a focus on competitiveness vs cooperative. Even if men are “more competitive” it’s tempered (or heightened) by the cultural score. Ex. Scandinavia has the lowest scores in the world but they still have men.

[@benledet-reeves454]

hes only half a step more masculine than ben sheepiro

[@LovedandTheLover]

Good work Hunter, your doing wonderful stuff out there

[@georgeworshington4120]

Getting doyled is truly an honor. Happy hunter got the opportunity!

[@spookywidetrap2884]

If you have to enforce a behavior and remind people to act that way, then it's not a natural way to act

[@yukarimurasaki4549]

Cough... Laws... Cough

[@TheEternalClown]

Much less, as in the past, restrict them from accessing the full range of human life or just outright imprison/hospitalize/execute them. But most people are complacent normies, hence the lack of pushback against forced "normality"

[@spookywidetrap2884]

@@yukarimurasaki4549 so true. the concept of a liquor licence must be part of natural human behaviour

[@brandonrathbone3690]

@@yukarimurasaki4549 you should think before you post, if you don't want it to be painfully apparent you didnt think at all before posting. if you had, you'd realize you were building a giant strawman to attack. or maybe you just don't care that you're attacking strawmen.

[@kseshshtern9968]

Well, the thing is, these behaviours were never enforced in the past. It is an issue that arose in our day and age, with the economical lack of opportunity, processed foods, seed oils, social media, big pharma and so on that caused the decrease of testosterone in men. With the weak men there's no demand for high quality women and vice versa. This is what causes the fertility issues, that is why our generation is actually having less sex than the previous one, that's why no amount of talking will make any difference in a bigger scale, not just helping out some people with advices.

[@blakehampton2331]

Doyle on a formal debate stage weasels just as much as an ambush debate.

[@Beeeep24]

Dude Hunter actually got exposed pls stop coping, this is a cope free zone. Be gone. Coper

[@zombieslayer7759]

John did quite well actually. His body language, his tone, eye contact, and everything was quite good. It also helps when you're correct about the topic too but I digress.

[@blakehampton2331]

Oh yeah Doyle wearing a tie totally made me forget for 10seconds that he wants to put gay people 6ft under. Doyle's a weasel just for pretending to care about the wellness of men.

[@jesuschristusnumberonefan]

@@Beeeep24 this is actually hunters comment section, so its a 100% cope at all times zone

[@kinoate]

@@zombieslayer7759 pffft, he literally wasn't right about almost anything

[@betterthanrae8137]

doyle is arguing that there is no social conditioning, if its "traditional" behavior. thats just biology. but also, there IS social conditioning if its "woke" so, socialization both exists, and does not exist??????

[@AnyHeroBlake]

"socializing is dumb and gay and weak if by the left, but socializing by the right is strong and tough and raci-*based, i-i mean based"*

[@jaxumus]

I’d love to see Vaush ‘return to tradition’ and review this debate. He hasn’t done one in a while.

[@frocco7125]

There is one thing that was annoying my ass off this whole debate: *It doesn't matter if men and women are diffrent!* The question was "Should we enforce traditional gender roles?", but Doyle turned it into "Are men and women diffrent?". The definition of a Motte and Bailey fallacy. OF COURSE men and women are diffrent, and have advantages on average. That does NOT mean that men and women should be forced universally into living diffrent lives they don't want. I was screaming this internally, and I wish you brought him up. It would have turned down 90% of his argument.

[@louyon277]

He’s just trying to find justification for male dominance. The whole question of “should america return to gender roles” is stupid in itself. Why should people HAVE to exist in those boxes?? Why would we as a society want to go back to a time with less choice? It’s all just trying to find “scientific” reasons to justify oppression

[@BillClay88]

This is incredible. Hunter is the Chad married with kids and is a MRA helping men .. and Soil is the anonymous troll who's single in his mom's basement with a pepe or a gigachad caricature profile pic. Wow.

[@BillClay88]

@Thought Criminal I was trying to be polite with that word. He is married and was fighting for men is some capacity, whatever it was.

[@julianbigelow2794]

29:14- 29:28 John Doyle says that gender roles should not be enforced. Then what is the debate about? What is John advocating for?

[@pepp7073]

I like how it progressively got more and more wholesome in the QnA section.

[@StevieBlunders]

I was trying to watch this live. Good work, Hunter!

[@kirnbby]

Doyle : we are determined by our biology. Also Doyle : We have souls. Lol.

[@controversialopinion5722]

Yeah, Catholics believe our bodies and souls are connected, there's nothing contradictory about those statements.

[@dimitripapadinikolaus]

@@controversialopinion5722 no such thing as a benevolent god or soul, keep your stupid fables to yourself

[@Mayan_88694]

@@controversialopinion5722 even though there is no evidence for a soul?🤡🤡

[@dimitripapadinikolaus]

@rbxl010 You type and think like a retard.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

Why would those be mutually exclusive?

[@wiggledixbubsy98]

In case anybody wants to know, Doyle is literally lying about how these gender roles are present in every society throughout history. There were tribes in Northern Europe during Roman times who were matriarchal or egalitarian. The Hopi people of pre-Columbian Arizona and the Haudenosaunee Confederation in New York, Quebec, and Ontario were egalitarian. A handful of pre-Muslim Indian and Burmese tribes as well as a civilization in what is now China were all matriarchal. Dude's pulling this shit outta nowhere

[@sugasweet435]

One of my questions when he brought up a study asking a variety of cultures about that word association was “which cultures did you ask?”

[@DissedRedEngie]

Cleopatra was also a thing.

[@tokukeitaro]

He does that all the time. He's an uneducated Dunning Kruger Masterpiece.

[@woefulfisher]

Lol, now YOU are the lying one. Which exactly tribes in Northern Europe? Name specifically, please. I've lived next to Northern Europe almost all my life, I've studied history well, so give me specifics. Also, your statement that "the whole China was matriarchal" is completely false. Han (or OG Chinese) are patriarchal. There was (and is) one such ethnos in Southern China called Mosuo. There are only 60k of them and they are only partially matriarchal. Explain yourself, give specifics. Otherwise I'll assume you lie.

[@wiggledixbubsy98]

@@woefulfisher I never claimed it was all of China lmao. As for Northern Europe, I was referring specifically to the Sitones and in China the Mosuo culture

[@NowhereNomad19]

I didn't know women who don't want kids are just sentient flesh lights?? What does that make a single mother?

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

Hunter you kicked Doyle's ass. Hopefully he'll agree to debate you again and again so you can routinely kick his ass.

[@frocco7125]

I like Hunter, but I think he could have been better in this. More confrontational. Doyle is a perpetually lying paranoid, and his messaging is very strong.

[@tikkari55]

i agree, hunter should use the same language as doyle, so that doyle can get it

[@damianmachado2941]

@@frocco7125 It's one of his very few irl debates, I think he'll improve with time and experience

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

@@frocco7125 This format is not conducive to blood sports.

[@hunteravallone]

@@frocco7125 I agree but the format did not allow for that. I had to abide by the format agreed upon. Not every debate is a vicious blood bath.

[@virtualgambit577]

According to Doyle’s train of thought, a woman that is unable to have a child due to infertility isn’t a woman. Since it’s “biological” for her to have children, what is she if she cannot have children? I wonder if he’d say the same about an infertile man. If so, what are these two to him then? Are they even human to him?

[@yum5079]

He probably will cope and say the dumb conservative talking point "the exception, doesn't make the rule" or some other stupid BS

[@FullOnMetalHead1995]

Npc comment. And you are indeed less pf a woman if youre infertile

[@95mccorkle]

It’s almost like this Doyle guy is trying to convince us he is a woman himself with how much he knows about what women want, what makes us happy and what we are capable of

[@johnx140]

Yeah man, I'm a car since I know so much about car mechanics

[@sugarxsnap]

Ha! I dunno.,.. He does seems to understand me better than most women.

[@xyourarsonistx3826]

John Doyle talking about himself being a workout enthusiast is the funniest part of this entire debate

[@redriot2115]

He sure is enthusiastic about the concept of working out. The practice? Not so much apparently.

[@ChaaDubaItsIidan]

I could bench press John Doyle.

[@bigmanreef5749]

@@ChaaDubaItsIidan I could bench press you bench pressing John Doyle.

[@rush1185]

I could bench press you bench pressing him bench pressing John Doyle.

[@zombieslayer7759]

It's funny how the people in this thread are saying that John isn't fit are people who are overweight, porn addicts who smell like bong resin and cheeto dust. Talk trash when you can bench more than your bodyweight and have some definition in your upper and lower body. Otherwise, quit coping. 😂😂

[@mickaelb.farlay2514]

John "who's doing that ? I'm not. Nobody is going door to door, enforcing gender roles !" and then, at 1:45:00. "How do we bring back gender roles ? Repeel the Civil Rights act and no fault divorce, infiltrate FCC and make it illegal to broadcast [diversity], promote 'there's only man and woman"' Yeah, you're really not trying to enforce gender roles there, John

[@grumpiesttitan7930]

Glad you posted it. It was 2am in GMT+1 so I wanted to see it here!

[@cam7minus1]

Props to Hunter for stepping out of his comfort zone for an in-person debate with someone from the other side. While I agree with John Doyle more, this was a very constructive conversation and I learned a lot!

[@kashpresentsofficial]

I agree. I'm here for Doyle, but I have to admit, Hunter has come a long way since the first time I heard him & John debate. If you're reading this Hunter, while we disagree on the issues, kudos on keeping at it & growing as a debater as well as a public speaker. F@g. Jk 😂 fr though, great job!

[@hughquigley5337]

I’m going to love watching this once I get around to it. Fully confident that you did a great job, Hunter. :D

[@Kaarli]

Doyles dad is gonna be so disappointed.

[@AmieeBOT]

Does John know anger is an emotion? He seems very worked up 🤣

[@monopolizedopamine]

The guy literally opened in bad faith by creating the dichotomy that gender roles exist or they don't when nobody on Earth is arguing this. The argument is whether those roles should be perpetuated by society or if people should have the freedom to adopt their own roles and desires. Why tf can't I pick adjectives from both lists????

[@MrGgabber]

The entire argument was whether they should exist or not. He said they always have, and then explained why. That's not bad faith, that's the entire crux of the argument.

[@uhIcy]

John >

[@tristanmay6685]

He never made that dichotomy he quite literally explained gender roles then explained the downside of enforcing them

[@pinkkfloydd]

Are you this retarded? Really?

[@hadesedits1501]

@@MrGgabber yes they have existed and he explained why. But the point is just because they've always been that way does NOT mean they should always be that way

[@kropotkinnie]

Oh man Hunter I'm so parasocially proud of you right now lmfao. Beaming with pride and joy at you absolutely bodying your first and hopefully not last in person debate. As a trans Voosh viewer who followed your journey from debating him to learning debate strats from him to now, it's legit so emotional for me to watch you up on that podium now. You've come so far and it's making me grin my ass off man.

[@BakedBunn]

You know you're doing something right when you make the Vaushites proud UvU Great stuff from Hunter this past year.

[@PluralCHimera0]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@stubbornone1189]

You did watch the whole debate, right? Hunter embarrassed himself as usual.

[@Crutonwyt]

How emotional are you seriously? “So proud, beaming with pride and joy, legit so emotional” etc. You’re essentially a walking sack of exaggeration.

[@davidwooden3878]

@@stubbornone1189 yeah. He was in proximity to John Soyle. Embarrassing for anyone

[@jacksonmahuron]

It’s so obvious why they want these 5 minute segments of uninterrupted time. They need to gish gallop as much as possible without being able to be checked. Good job hunter

[@Beeeep24]

Well the alternative is the debaters constantly interrupting each other and looking for gotcha’s. This format allows for a better/smoother exchange of ideas. Look at how well the last John Doyle and Hunter Alvallone debate went. I prefer this type debate over whatever happened last time lol

[@jacksonmahuron]

@@Beeeep24 a public debate with a good moderator does not need 10 minute tangents to gish gallop. Doyle got to spew bullshit over and over again without being able to be checked in the moment

[@zacharybrown5367]

This is done in academic debate because there can generally be some expectation of good will on both parties. I agree that Doyle is just abusing the format to attempt to get his truth claims through unchallenged by sheer volume.

[@Whompwhomp1028]

Low iq take, this is literally how debate is performed in academic circles.

[@zacharybrown5367]

@@Whompwhomp1028 yeah these arent academics. They don't follow good argumentation. This works in academia because general both parties actually know what their doing and won't gish gallop to get their views through uncontested.

[@MCFrenstar]

32:45 wtf where does this direct attack come from?

[@CrusherX1000]

I'm obsessed with John Doyle being an actual person that exists. He's so 1-dimensional. He's like a cartoon character!

[@thecakeisalie6601]

says the person who watches a dude whose whole personality is muh feelings

[@CrusherX1000]

@@thecakeisalie6601 John Doyle's personality is Hitler Youth

[@kashpresentsofficial]

​@@thecakeisalie6601real

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

Ikr! He's like Gigachad Gaston! #OurGuy

[@ahsanumar01]

WARNING: Mic boom at 19:34 and loud screech sound at 1:10:09,1:36:52

[@frostynights]

I really wish I’d seen this comment before it happened. I was just sitting on the train and practically yeeted my phone because I got such a fright 😂 everybody was looking at me

[@ahsanumar01]

@@frostynights dang, sorry to hear that XD

[@lukasohlsson8214]

I disagree with your point of view but solid debate, both of you gave your points in a very intelligent fashion. I know it’s a lot harder to do but these formal in person debates are way better than the discord debates

[@luvamiart8567]

Doyle saying "no one loves women more than me" reminds me when a mysoginistic guy of my group of friends told me "the only women I respect are my mom, my sister and you" and I was supossed to feel flattered. Same vibes.

[@stubbornone1189]

It was a Trump reference. And don't worry, I'm sure the guy was joking when he said he respected you.

[@vesuvius2444]

The way Hunters opponent defines the word gender by focusing on gen then der. Is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. That's not how words generally work. Like the definition of generally isn't gen then er, then ally lol. It really irritated me for some reason.

[@mickeysan4016]

This is even funnier after reading the fanfic someone wrote on Wattpad about these two. John Doyle X Hunter Avallone 😂😂😂😂 I ship it! 😂😂

[@Victor-gz8ml]

Lmao wtf no shot is that real 😂😂

[@mickeysan4016]

@@Victor-gz8ml Oh it's real it's called John Doyle x Hunter Avallone and its on Wattpad

[@sugasweet435]

Enemies to Lovers slow burn, 20,000 words😂

[@AnyHeroBlake]

41:37 "I'm simply trying to remove the psy-op with another psy-op"

[@DreamwithintheHeart]

The first guy the came up that asked a question and said "Hispanic men build houses" AH YES! It's not like there are circumstances that makes them to have those types of jobs, and they are building houses for fun! It's because they are manly men! Also any Hispanic person can tell you, while yes the man may go out to make a wage... But the mom and the abuela are the true leaders of the home. "Ponte a trabaja, (get to work) don't be lazy! Everyone pulls their weight."

[@bubbachildsupport4535]

For real that dude is stupid as fuck 😂

[@stubbornone1189]

And Hispanic countries are thriving because of this! ...oh, wait.

[@DreamwithintheHeart]

@@stubbornone1189 If anything, this dude just made a subconscious argument that a "manly man" will do underpaid work, and do jobs no one is willing to do, just to keep their family afloat.

[@GabiGhita]

God damn, Doyle has such a mouth on him. I have to admit, he sounds convincing af to people who don't know better, like teenagers.

[@davidduenas3419]

Still can’t grasp how I was red pilled at one point

[@urmomgae42069]

LMAO same it’s shameful thinking about it

[@shadowknight1509]

@@urmomgae42069 Nothing wrong with being conservative

[@shadowknight1509]

Nothing wrong with being conservative

[@tutalilly]

based ❤️

[@davidduenas3419]

@@shadowknight1509 yes being conservative isn’t wrong but when you start getting into the extremist topics they tend to have just the worse pov on it

[@beetletuba1351]

Loved the live debate, Hunter! You did FANTASTIC!

[@flaccidacid6819]

next time i hear john doyle do an intro statment im gonna need to set an alarm because i fell asleep like five seconds into his statement

[@enzoaraya4796]

50:35 holy fuck John Doyle is way less reasonable and empathetic than I expected here

[@LaSerpentDEden]

Expecting John Doyle to be empathetic 🤭

[@enzoaraya4796]

@@LaSerpentDEden I had some faith that he wasn’t as bad as I remembered he was but man…. He’s an asshole

[@DissedRedEngie]

dude unironically thinks that 50s were cool.