I Asked WoW Devs About Mythic+, Tank Nerfs, Class Balance & More In The War Within

[@KingKoopah]

Gotta give Naguura credit for following up questions and gently pushing back on certain topics

[@ocbslim2k6]

lol Just boring questions that have already been answered

[@Flavetheson]

Naguura should do more interviews, she listens to the answers and comes back with follow ups so we actually get real answers.

[@qiblik]

The interview was great... But the audio quality is dog shit

[@Tarrasq-Eredar]

​@@qiblikhm yeah definitely something to improve :)

[@qiblik]

@@Tarrasq-Eredar as a non Eng native speaker I depend a lot on the CC to understand everything. Given the shit Audio Quality the YT CC cant comprehend what is said and by proxy I cant.... there's one workaround... supply custom subtitles, but from what I heard even native Eng speaker would have hard time captioning this video at certain points...........

[@ConeyIslandKing]

00:05 Approach to balancing changes before Mythic week 02:00 Consider class and spec adjustments for underperforming or overperforming in mythic and heroic unlocks 05:46 Encouraging a slower and more strategic playstyle for Mythic+ dungeons. 07:34 Dungeon repetition and class requirement concerns in Mythic+ 11:22 Balancing classes for Mythic+, Arena, and battleground 13:16 Delve balancing based on class and abilities 17:04 Tank changes aim to shift focus to group survivability 18:53 Discussion on adjusting player defensives for different types of content 22:30 Updates for hero talents and visual distinctiveness 24:09 Addressing community feedback and tuning passes for Hero talents in Season One 27:47 Discussions on various types of kimchi and their flavors.

[@Mokz121]

That pillow had more space than George lol

[@duetobe]

In all seriousness they probably had those as their marks for a closer shot frame, then it changed to be wider and they didn't update their marks.

[@versemediaprojects1777]

Going with the personal questions at the end was so good, they were so excited about their favorite stuff. Very good interview!

[@StephanBreiner]

Thank you Naguura, thank you from another Boomkin, und auch danke das du das Thema mit Pulsar (kein Ersatz) angesprochen hast ! *pure gratitude*

[@marcopium9025]

Taking up 4/5 of the couch, we should not trust anything this guy says

[@matrav]

Why are they setting so close, oh, NVM, I get it now....

[@syatek]

Lmaooo he really is spread eagle 🤣

[@ParrishT3]

What an absolute weird thing to focus on...

[@marcopium9025]

@@ParrishT3 Thanks for your input

[@Famedawg]

I noticed this immediately within the first 5 seconds of watching this…lol why are they sitting like that?? Awkward energy….

[@nwyk153]

grill em! grill em for me moonkin!

[@k9tirion927]

But they don't taste as well as moonkin when grilled.

[@mattiapezzano1713]

Very good interview, questions were really thought through and not the usual ones.

[@XCeazyX]

Naguura grilling these guys harder than politicians get grilled

[@avstzn]

i really enjoyed this interview, your questions were great & they actually gave fair in depth responses

[@brkus2665]

Well done, Naguura, amazing job and interview. One of the better that I have seen. I would also follow up that question by pointing out that vast majority of the M+ keys done is trough PuGing and that increasing the requirements for coordination of interrupts will negatively impact those groups. Is that their goal? To make it so that PuGs can't fill out their vault. That +10s are reserved for mostly organized voice groups. Do they think this will increase the popularity and participation in M+ if PuGs have even higher fail rate than now. And that fail rate is not because of throughput and ability to do mechanics but because no voice group is simply unable to coordinate their kicks and stops as voice premade group could.

[@aylaa5842]

24:31 Boomkins want to have fun please

[@Needrng]

They dodged that boomkin question and made an overall blanket statement 😂

[@FatalMutation]

Great interview! For M+, I think it could be good if enemy damage gets capped at a certain level, then their action speed starts scaling. Prevents one-shots in favor of increasing healing throughput reliance.

[@nabbrusc]

Would have loved for them to address hero talents that are just not working, IE Frostfire Mage... so many bugs with this with no information or communication about when it will be fixed.

[@CarolsFerrao]

Great interview! I love that they're trying to stop this insane "meta comp" situation that stops other players from playing the game at a higher level if you don't play a meta class because they don't get invitations. I really think that's an incredible change for the good. We may get a longer live for the game during seasons. Amazing questions.

[@Drinktorious]

Unfortunately, every game is Meta now. There will be no fixing the meta issue because people will always see what top of the top are doing, then try to copy it. There will always be a dps that does that 1% more dps or healer that can interrupt and CC and distribute more DMG when not needing to heal, and the tank that does more damage and is practically untouchable. Meta isn't from blizzard, it's from the top 1% and people that can't accept that they just aren't at that level.

[@zogbric]

This is an excellent interview. The questions are relevant and def in the minds of most m+ players

[@krucible9369]

My glorious Protection Paladin. A day will come when the sun shines on you again

[@VDHmain]

Prot pally is still very strong in pugs thanks to the shield kicks, it just requires more healing than other tanks, yet at the same time reduces the healing required on the rest of the party. It's absolutely not as bad as tier lists make it out to be.

[@balazsmelatyar7852]

​@VDHmain idk man, it feels pretty weak. It's as squishy as blood without the sustainability. That and going oom using wog is crazy

[@kerkertrandov459]

Lol what, vengeance dh and prot pala were the only 2 tanks used in high keys in S3 dragonflight. Prot pala had its spotlight, time for other tanks to be OP now.

[@perkulant4629]

So no interrupt for my disc priest 😢

[@rstarrkk]

no, you stay trash sorry

[@LyricsAreMyEmotions]

Your holy brethren are just as upset

[@scs-yt]

Compared to the most WoW content creators who generally are elementary school drop outs, Nagura shpws a lot of intellect and precision with these questions. I've even seen her chat not being able to comprehend what she's saying once :)Thank you, great interview.

[@Shuja_R1M]

Not really. She's asking extremely basic questions and isn't pushing the envelope of their stupid balancing philosophies

[@Aquanios08]

Damn. Naguura asking the real questions. Love her! 💕

[@IOSAGifts]

Naguura, Your videos are fantastic! I just had to subscribe!

[@kallathor3863]

Great question and remarks on the big pulls thing…

[@graves.m.e.]

Thank you, Naguura for asking the great questions and championing for all Moonkins. :)

[@derpataur1162]

I just want to know when they're going to fix the druid class tree / spec trees. Druid as a class needs a top to bottom rework, and it's getting absurd that they keep half assing everything involving this class. There is absolutely no excuse for why Druid's class tree is such an abomination. I've been playing Feral for a very long time, and whoever has been making decisions for Feral since patch 10.0.7 has been driving the spec into the trash. They do not understand what Feral players want, and they have completely missed the mark / failed to deliver even remotely on satisfying the class fantasy of what Druid of the Claw should have been. People want Fluid Form to be an integral component of playing Feral. We wanted bear weaving, and less button bloat. Instead we got jank, a bad proc, worse energy regen w/ zero reward for it. The class tree is void of any kind of fun choices, and the spec tree is just as bad. The entire point of a talent tree is that every talent is supposed to be a choice that feels interesting and tailors your playstyle. The class tree is just you speccing into a ton of stuff you can't even use in your shapeshift form of choice, with talents that only affect one spec positively and getting utility spells you may or may not actually want just to get things you have to have. The class tree for Feral is starved mercilessly at the bottom of the tree and the middle of the tree is filled with things you have to take / bloated with berserk talents. It is absolutely not acceptable for anything to be designed this poorly in 2024, especially from a company with as many resources as Blizzard.

[@adityasihag4]

I'm so happy for the changes.

[@CodeCmdr]

As a probably-priest-main this season, thank you for being persistent with the questions regarding priest interrupts! O:)

[@bobrr33]

Why he sits so close to him ? :D

[@Rekkrap92]

Great interview! Thank you for asking about Priest's lack of an interrupt. I'll keep hoping they finally give us one...

[@thebigler]

Great interview and great questions! Thank you!

[@balazsmelatyar7852]

Great questions! Gives me hope prot pally will get some buffs.

[@xodiark10]

great answer for the big pulls in dungeons

[@adaneshade]

I kind of feel like M+ title should be spec based, so the top 0.1% io of each spec gets title. This would allow people to play off meta and not handicap themselves.

[@cl1489]

Should have both

[@adaneshade]

@@cl1489 I'd be down for having both as well. It's just frustrating to see certain specs that will NEVER be able to attain the super high keys that the meta comp does. Giving them an option to compete on an even field with others of their spec is an obvious win,

[@kerkertrandov459]

U gotta believe in urself. U've already given up before u've even started. How do u expect to get top 0.1% with this mindset? Winners dont quit, quitters dont win. Player skill >>> spec power

[@Shimorta]

sick interview naguura

[@RyanDamore]

If the reason to not buff Moonkin's CD on Solar Beam is that "its AOE, right?" Revert it back to the original size so it is an ACTUAL AOE silence. Whoa. Huge brain ideas.

[@Valvax4500]

I actually don't like those mega pulls, I like 4-6 mobs each pull but those mobs must have a lot of health AND they also contribute the same amount of % as the 100 mob pulls. I want every dungeon pull the be its own thing where it lasts for atleast 1 min and you go through your entire rotation and that's ESPECIALLY important for Dot specs where they setup dots and mobs just die which feels so bad. I also think that mythic+ should stop scaling dmg past +10 and only scale health of the mobs.

[@xjoely]

Naguura you are so talented at interviewing and asking really good questions and actually listening to responses instead of just thinking about your next question.

[@AT-yu2op]

Good interview but the audio is bad

[@jojoheadshrinker24]

For priest interrupts, it'd be cool if mass dispel was a choice node to be an aoe silence instead.

[@minion789]

He linked complexity of the hero talents to the visuals..... just give decent visuals.... dark ranger? What dark ranger? Couldnt tell if i was stood to one or not... same with bm hunter like just add a bit of sparks idk we aint asking for cinematic visuals just something to freshen it up.

[@caiocarvalho8844]

Imagine recording a world wide interview and sitting like this. I wonder what was the thought process behind it lol

[@teej143]

Guy wearing black doesn’t look and sound like the right person for the job.

[@takemyname4363]

Good questions.

[@Byhythloh]

Priest Silence should be a choice node with a 20sec Interrupt OR 45sec Silence. Solved.

[@CrippsyS]

Every interrupt in the game by definition will stop a spell school from being casted aka silence. If this doesnt' work then the mob would just cast the spell again aka a "stop".

[@SpiritGRF]

@@CrippsyS I mean they still aren't equals. We are talking small differences like fear vs mortal coil on warlocks. The thing about the priest silence is 45 sec is a long wait and means during pve fights your not part of the kick rotation and are just trying to interrupt if someone misses. However their silence doesn't work like other classes because they can silence a class without them casting a spell which is why its 45sec. Can't tell you how many paladins I've killed by throwing out that silence before they would try bubbling in arena. The original comments post would fix the problem in pve where the silence cd is to long for any kick rotation, but you'd still have the option to use the OG silence in pvp.

[@CrippsyS]

@@SpiritGRF I don’t disagree. But you’re talking about some niche PvP scenario and the context of required interrupts etc was around the mobs changes in M+. No one in M+ will press Silence pre emptively or you’ll lose a tonne of value from it.

[@OnTheMountain]

Please God fuck no... we do not need to add more complexity by introducing two type of kicks in the game, one that silences and one that doesn't. You don't even understand what you are suggesting

[@SpiritGRF]

@@OnTheMountain its.....its already in the game. He is just asking that priests can have a branch in the tree where they can choose a normal interrupt with 20 sec cd and stops that spell type from being cast vses the 45 sec cd silence that just blocks out all spell types and can be used when someone isnt even casting.

[@Thundercloud1969]

They look so interested in this interview 😂

[@jackmango5603]

If kicks didnt get burned pugging would be much more enjoyable.

[@KodyCQYep]

Not a fan of the statement that they're going to "change the meta" from season to season. This isn't a shooter or ARPG where people start fresh every season. They should strive to have good balance across the entire expansion.

[@Shuja_R1M]

Changing the meta every season is absolutely fucking stupid

[@my_anonymous_comment_cha-yc5tv]

These are the types of guys that use the urinal right next to you when 20 others are open.

[@attinger117]

Moonkin have had their major mechanic reworked in every expansion since wrath. They never make it truly great. Current eclipse is tragic and garbage. Please give moonkin something fun

[@An0nymoos3]

great interview

[@Jrose767]

Those were some terrible answers regarding player defensives, if pruning defensives make other modes such as delves too difficult you adjust those other modes. The amount of defensives you have as a player is ridiculous. Why do I as a shadow priest get the following: A 10% dr from fade A 10% dr from flash healing myself An automatic shield when I drop below 30% hp A flat 3% magic dr In addition to my regular abilities such as Dispersion, desperate prayer, and other defensives brought by hero talents. And that's just looking at one class, every class has a laundry list of all these little extra defensives that 95% of the community doesn't even use. Meanwhile they call it an "arms race" AN ARMS RACE WITH YOUR OWN DESIGN?! That's a wild take. Cut down all defensives, no more of these small little defensives, classes should have a defensive, maybe 2 depending on class fantasy etc. and then reevaluate the damage profile that's been going on since dragonflight.

[@ihalia]

L take, micro defensives are flavorful and distinguish the good players from the fotm rerolls. I'd rather have 5 micro defensives than 2 huge defensives (exactly like ret paladin in s1 of df where they had the highest death ration across all levels of play in every single type of content). Changing damage profiles would mean changing healing patterns and I love the current healing patterns for almost every healer. Heals are actually impactful now, the complete opposite of dragonflight s3 and s4. You might not like what you have but honestly you belong in a very very very tiny minority of players that want less defensives somehow.

[@russbakr]

@5:04 :::: Mythic+ :::: Design dungeons and mobs to slow down big huge zerg pulls: 1. Look at player interupts - make sure we have more than what they are capable of interupting 2. If that fails - let the mobs continously keep casting after an interupt @6:17 :::: You think you want that but you really dont :::: Naguura outright vocalizes her opinion about her liking big pulls (sharing ideals along with myself and many many others who are vocal in the M+ community) The dev guy agree'ing with her and actually saying he likes it too. But yet they are designing the opposite because they say that it 'potentially' will ruin your game 'feel' experience, blah blah. Lots of maybe's there : like do they have any data that actually verify what they fear ?? @10:05 :::: Class Balance M+ :::: Nagura : The Meta evolves around the 2nd Month - what is played is played and everyone else can go eat a D Nagura: So do you plan on doing anything different ? Devs: Nope (@10:58 - He says he doesn't want to upset the META too much - huh ????) Overall great interview - interesting viewpoints on all sides

[@Thorazone]

23:37 it's not about complexity it's about lack of flavor and tracking abilities/procs without addons.

[@harrylong2796]

totallya gree on the big pulls, it trivialises mechanics

[@Shuja_R1M]

I'd love to know their mythic rating score. These guys would be excellent politicians in USA, so much bullshit without even answering the questions

[@Therealrime]

If somone doesn’t get nagurra a bowl of Kim chi right now I’m gonna lose it

[@Drakkarok]

7:32 no you "smart dude". The fucking timer and the fomo from that forces specific comps in the non-pushing mythic environment. You have trained for almost 10 years (i to be precise) with that timer that faster is better

[@cl1489]

No mic? Wild

[@optimizor]

Make hunter great again

[@Judgenjurygaming]

BUFF PROTECTION PALADIN! MAKE THE HOLY KNIGHTS GREAT AGAIN!

[@Ridingthewaves305]

The takeaway for me is Brute forcing the game with dps is something the devs encourage

[@StevenSynfulmindedVickery]

I agree, the big brainless AOE Pulls in high keys is boring af. I miss having to CC or Sheep or kite etc certain adds.

[@Wintermist-SWE]

Not gonna lie, I hate big pulls. Dungeons are not made for that. If you want something like that they should just make a new type of thing, almost like a horde mode. When a tank can pulls so damn much and everyone else just follows around trying to avoid the damage bubbles everywhere, only those classes that have instant casts can do anything while the other just becomes the tail and has NO gameplay themselves. It sucks.

[@dariominiello9934]

It sucks cause they added a billion group wiping kicks and things to dodge 😂 you could just put a kick on focus and blast in legion as range... but there used to be some st dungeons too before they started abusing shadowmeld and vanish HARD for skips. Theater for example, and it was pretty good too. But if the dung is st it should be shorter. Delves in a way are an experiment in a similar vein to hard dungeon content without a timer (or should be). Not unlike hardmodes megadung. Don't care for trash being hard af unless there's no timer or short fights ngl. Just put more hard content with no timer/deplete or cap it. Nobody cried cause u could do torghast torment 8 as much as you wanted instead of having to redo 7 if u fked up.

[@varadigabor7812]

go back to classic

[@Leftside08]

It’s a bit irksome for them to justify not upsetting the meta to avoid buffing underperformers. Because then you just know if you’re fucked in advance. And we get into the dooming shit bc of it. Especially when there are clear “must be relevant” specs or classes that will get attention first

[@BeckyPenn]

I completely understand they don't want to nerf a class that's been performing well and has time invested, but there's no reason they can't buff the runts and give everyone an equal chance to play the class they identify with. This is still an mmo-RPG. Emphasis on RPG! We have people playing the same class since vanilla, and suddenly they can't play it anymore? unacceptable

[@MagikProds]

Hopefully more visual update for warriors...

[@zuralani1]

"we're happy with [how hero talents are] for launch" jeez how low is the bar in that office?

[@TiggyRolls]

Other classes are killing mobs before we can even get into our rotation.. we need big changes. Boomkins are so sad right now.

[@Thrall966]

Who cares

[@rstarrkk]

we don't even have mythics yet. boomies always shine in higher level content. it's always been like this. it's part of their dmg profile.

[@Nydas]

@@Thrall966 Id imagine druid players. Stop being an idiot.

[@marycharlesworth9694]

Yes that's true, the ramp up time before we can do the damage, mobs are already dead.

[@Vicente.G]

I'm even having trouble healing with disc on heroic cause I cant set up, m+ its going to be rought

[@KBThogers]

I was hoping to get a choice node for boomy, between the current AOE silence, and a normal interrupt on shorter cooldown. Would love the same on my priest with their silence and a normal interrupt (bonus if I can pick between the same as a healer priest!)

[@Famedawg]

Blood DK looks like nothing changed in self healing, they are still immortals who don’t really need a healer.

[@skipmcilvaine]

People, please stop asking for a Priest kick. As a super-reactive healer in the case of Holy, the last thing that spec wants is more crap to keep track of...

[@robusmc1713]

Super Buff Rets Templar Verdict it hits like a marshmallow, our single target is a Joke, thank-you ❤

[@AlexSadof]

Michael posturing for Naguura... Everybody knows the rules.

[@Drakkarok]

5:33 this is such bullshit. They haven't learn shit from DF. This only makes dungeons too tedious for fuck sake. They have no fucking clue whatsoever and they also have an air of superiority when they are talking about "their clever designs". This will be such a shitshow when mythic+ will start. Season 3 of DF was so beloved because the dungeons were not fucking ruby life pools with 800 intrerupts and every mob doing something special

[@ibMoose2u]

I keep hearing, “We don’t want to upset meta too much.” What the f@ck. Do they also meet and decide what class/specs are going to be meta before each season… Oh, BM wasn’t supposed to be meta, let’s squish it into the ground but leave meta alone… fair and balanced.

[@xWolFik]

The whole cc m+ discussion went wrong way. There is no point in making mobs do insane CC if you have class that have to stay on a spot and cast for 2 second to even start their rotation vs a class that just jump there, melee instant ability that deals 40% of their total dmg. I've leveled 5 chars through dungeons and melees were just a breeze, dodge stuff kick this and still top dmg, shadow was still "okeyish" as the shadow crush is instant whci helps with the start of the pulls, but warlock, man it was hell. Dodge this, dodge that, finally I can cast 2 sec seed, oh no targeted mob charged away, oh no targeted mob died, oh everyone has 1milion damage and I didn't even start my rotation.

[@jethrodark2372]

@7:30 im srry but Blizz if you are trying to slow people down in M+ so they can see more mechanics so the dungeons don't get repetitive, then i hate to break it to you but it aint gonna happen. The Timer in M+ strictly goes against a slower and less mobs pulled mechanics. All i hear when he says this is haha my class goes brrrr. If you want people to pull less mobs and go slower then the timer has to go, otherwise this change was for nothing. Cause i can assure you i and many others will be pulling and aoeing adds down as much as we possibly can. I just don't get Blizzards thinking with M+, they say they want you to slow down and pull less. But yet the timers specifically don't allow that fml. And depending on the dungeon 1 or 2 wipes and your the key is dead, and yet they want to slow you down on key run lol what a joke.

[@detrumoo]

The way they were sitting I thought this was a couples therapy video.

[@oshYT]

create test sets for each content...Raid, M+, Delves, PvP

[@ginoweinberg5212]

right now I think the Tanks nerfs were a bad Idea, it already feels like there are less Tanks in the Game and the seasons hasn't even started yet. There is also a great Gap im how These Changes affcted Tanks, I played 4 of the 6 Tank Specs now in all available Content Bear and Prot Warrior feel amazing and BDK and Paladin feel Bad to outright Not fun to Play.

[@AKRenlor]

Those answers felt painful to listen too. For me it was a bunch of non-answers covered in the veil of this is the answer I'm allowed to give.

[@싸넬동지-7성담배]

I think the opposite, they should remove the kicks from all the healers. Wtf is that sh*t now we have to do the dps's job ?!

[@Docerdoc]

Good awnser on the M+ big pull situation

[@venaseph6314]

Could they have given them a smaller couch?

[@snivels]

Telling people how they should be playing the dungeon. Classic Blizzard!

[@Thuradan]

Tbh i think most of the player base hates these insane big pulles. I find it kinde boring tbh. Its also boring to see the highest players doing these pulls.

[@synthientmusic]

I really liked their takes on the speed/aoe ability of dungeons and such. However, so far in TWW dungeons feel SUPER fast. Tanks just pull everything and you’re just racing to last boss basically. I’d like to see them dial that back somehow because right now, I feel like every dungeon is the same like they were saying.

[@kaddiloc1]

It's on normal that's why. It will change with more difficulty.

[@synthientmusic]

@@kaddiloc1 that’s a good point. Also, I just heard that there’s some scaling issues on dungeons while leveling. If you have someone in your group below 74, apparently they just blast and can basically solo the place.

[@kaddiloc1]

​@@synthientmusic yes this is also true. The scaling is way off right now.

[@Kronosbattlemaps]

Can we get the man another chair please

[@alexwan4914]

if they ever balance wow... it would be after government balances taxes.

[@kasper1241]

If hero talents make tuning so much harder for them then way did they make them?! We already have a massive talent system that needs more work. It’s the same old issue where they add systems on top of systems before any of them work properly.

[@LegendaryBrandon1]

Dude share the fucking couch the body language lmao

[@jwill2007]

fire whoever is in charge of paladin balancing for M+

[@Loolul]

Fix fire mage plz , make lit fuse proc more, i did around 30 flamestrikes in a dungeon AOE and got lit fuse like once...and the dps was much lower than tanks and healer and other dps in the group😭 4% is way to low to be viable

[@MariposaEdits]

Rotations are overly complex. Nobody minds more shinny or a cool cd.

[@ceasursmoke1391]

uh... if you play a druid you have skull bash bro..... the solar beam not being reliable is cringe since you are the only class with 2 legit interupts.

[@CyclopsToppingWolverine]

I can tell you don't play Druid. Go look at our class tree.

[@ceasursmoke1391]

@@CyclopsToppingWolverine You go look at it and see there is a ability called skull bash, if your trash and don't know how to build your own spec then stfu.

[@trombs]

WE ARE POWER CREEPING, DO NOT NERF OUR DMG JUST MAKE THE CLASSES NOT PERFORMING PERFORM

[@Jeff-yc2qh]

My first question, what is your least favorite spec and why do you hate boomkins?

[@nozari28]

"We read reddit" oof.... i feel bad for them

[@lewisgarland1259]

I never understand why Blizzard do interviews because they NEVER answer anything and never add anything of value or give better insight to the game. Also holding back on class balancing to please a minority players pushing world first just hurts the majority of the player base just to please a few. There is not a worse feeling than choosing a main that is under performing and Blizzard just ignores it. Nobody should have to feel bad about their choice. This type of thing happens way to much and always goes on far to long. Some specs like feral and monk never get the attention that they deserve.

[@blackfox3082]

sounds like they just need to learn how to design a dungeon differently then