I lost my patience, vegan vs meat debate BLOWS UP

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Infuriating having these 2 sneer and laugh in your face whilst the most horrific animal cruelty is playing on screens in front of them. Hopefully any rational people watching this will exercise mercy and compassion for animals and live vegan (unlike these two)

[@maxmcintyre5068]

I’m non vegan

[@evldead123]

Have you considered bringing a poster board with the actual definition of veganism with you? It seems like a lot of the argumentative bits stem from them lacking an understanding what veganism actually means. Most of them seem to think its an all-or-nothing thing like when they say stuff like "oh what about the bugs?".

[@Mayur_Kedare]

Nice debate. We need to invoke empathy in them by asking what if you were in their situation? They should ask themselves and think "what if it was me"? Looking at the clip he said it is wrong but he will still eat animals makes me wonder that he was just feeling sorry and that is not empathy. So as long as he is not getting killed he thinks that what happens to animals is fine and they both think that thet need to kill. Where there is a will there is a way, if people really think what is happening to animals is wrong people will find solutions to all kinds of problem, the problem with these kind of people are that they are selfish and also they think they have reasonable justification, that is why these excuses. They don't truly grasp the life and death situation and they should stop behaving like a slave to their taste buds. Nice that you brought up facts on who kills more animals. People are being fed with misinformation that vegans murder animals too by you know who, hope these people think critically on their points that there is a difference between murder and justified killing such as self-defense, death by accident. Hope they see the logic that we are consistent in killing humans or any sentient beings if they destroyed our property and means of survival.

[@rebelvgan4579]

@@Mayur_Kedare well said 💯👍

[@Mayur_Kedare]

People try to ramp up and instigate a reaction and think they win when we are angry. Obviously it is incredibly difficult and you are under pressure trying to remember a paper in real time and for me it is easy to talk as I am not in the hot seat. I think you did keep a cool composure. Also we know they are ignorant and dumb still we should not attack them upfront by insults. Instead you can go by Socratic method ask - why you are laughing mate? care to elaborate?

[@goblin53gan]

Using his blind faith and loyalty to a soccer club to justify his consumption of meat is a new one

[@pukkavidz]

“So uhh, u see m8, the reason why it’s ok to kill animals is because, like, erm, my great grandad supported Liverpool FC, or something”

[@mitchgoldstein6720]

@@pukkavidz😂

[@valfanclub]

Yeah, that was mighty impressive. "Believing" in random data versus actually reading science data.

[@bureaffari3694]

please it's football.

[@goblin53gan]

@@bureaffari3694

[@marcdeneus977]

People become activists for ants and plants when confronted about their food choices. Quite frightening.

[@ianmarshall9958]

Totally true! It's so pathetic.

[@ShrivelledHeartSoftware]

And if they actually cared at all then vegan diet is still the way to go because animals eat even more plants

[@doublebarrel7913]

No one is an activist for ants and insects. When people bring up all the other creatures that die in the plowing of a field and maintaining a crop, they are pointing out that your murky morality only seems to extend to the cuddley or cute animals. You don't actually believe all life is precious and sacred. You are lying to yourself and others. You know that plants are living organisms, right? They communicate with each other and respond to emotional stimulus. Every organism survives at the expense of others.

[@marcdeneus977]

@doublebarrel7913 Veganism is not perfect. No one would make that claim. Veganism is an effort to reduce the suffering and exploitation of all creatures as much as possible. That's the literal definition. The farm animals humans eat also need to eat and be fattened up before slaughter. So animals and insects are killed accidentally in order to produce the food for the 80 billion farm animals. And then the 80 billion farm animals are killed themselves. Insects and other creatures are killed accidentally in order to produce plant foods for 8 billion humans. So we have to ask ourselves, which lifestyle results in the furthest reduction of harm and death? Your thoughts ?

[@jotuthegamingguru8809]

So i guess the only action at this point is to starve yourself? Since plants feel to, it was nice knowing ya. ​@doublebarrel7913

[@leviahimsa]

925 million humans (1 in 9) suffer from hunger, yet 80 billion unnaturally bred animals on farms are given enough human edible food that could support 4 billion humans directly. -University of Minnesota

[@happyapple4269]

That isn't edible human food😅. The animals that eat that are edible.

[@leviahimsa]

@@happyapple4269 Anecdotes and denial are subjective, and unable to be independently verified. Scientific evidence is objective and can be independently verified.

[@denizkenger52]

Eat grass finished then. Humans can’t eat grass so wouldn’t be contributing to starvation of these humans.

[@leviahimsa]

@@denizkenger52 The meat and milk from animals that rely solely on grazing provide just 1% of the world’s protein. FCRN If everyone in the US switched from grain-fed to pasture-fed beef, because they grow more slowly on grass, the number of cattle would have to rise by 30% and the land area used to feed them would rise by 270%. - Environmental Research Let. Even if the US felled all its forests, drained its wetlands, watered its deserts and annulled its national parks, it would still need to import most of its beef. Grass-fed cows’ diets contain more cellulose fibre compared to grain fed, requiring more fermentation to break the grass down, causing two to four times more methane to be released from the cows directly. Methane is much worse for global warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), as it has about 130 times more warming potential than CO2. Plus, they take longer to grow and reach slaughter weight so they live longer and therefore have higher overall lifetime emissions. Plus, they require around 41 percent more land than grain-fed cows. Cows alone are responsible for 70 percent of deforestation in Brazil, so choosing to eat grass-fed beef will further exacerbate this destruction. When it comes to the environment, grass-fed beef is not the lesser of two evils, and if you truly want to eat a sustainable diet, a plant-based diet is best as it produces fewer greenhouse gasses and requires far less land and water.

[@StephenOfEarth]

What a total Tate bro. He literally regurgitated Tate logic verbatim when you brought up dogs. He made a total ass of himself

[@LINUXANDCHILL]

noticed that also, word for word Tatertot logic

[@emeraldcitycreative6892]

It was a Tate/Morgan word salad

[@jimx45]

Your word and the comments here nothing tells me any reason not to eat meat though?

[@Reuben-ey5di]

Yes Joey did

[@totezmcgotez44]

Imagine not realizing that animals have to eat an inordinate amount of food in order to become food.

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Another valid point. Eating animals multiplies crop related deaths.

[@vendetta.02]

the cope i always hear from non-vegans is that "but they eat food we cant consume!!!!!" even though the food grown for the animals uses farmland that we could be using for actual human food

[@t0fu_G]

Imagine thinking we need more land to feed 7 billion people as opposed to 80 billion land animals, but hey! We didn't see this coming 😂

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

My 2 rescue😺😸had a chicken treat today. Not buying the religion of girly🍑🍑. You du you but count me out.

[@Mayur_Kedare]

@@vendetta.02 The guy was also saying that one cow feeds a family for year and excluding the predators killed to protect the cows. Like really they don't have empirical data about calories.

[@vegNotWoke]

And they say, that soy grows breast in man....😅

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Tbh this guy likely eat at McDonald’s most days, drinks Coca Cola and doesn’t exercise much, which is even worse than a vegan plant based diet.

[@rmalde3268]

😊

[@BeVeganspired]

😂😂😂

[@denizkenger52]

@@matthewwilliams3827junk food exists plant based too and more on plant based. Most of what gains people weight in what you described he most likely eats is the plant based carbs. Bread of burgers. Fries. These 2 are the main calories over the meat in a burger and are what spike the blood sugar for weight gain.

[@puercoespineta]

@@matthewwilliams3827but its already proven that animal product diet lowers testosterone

[@robsengahay5614]

These are tough to watch and encapsulates the futility of debating ignorant people who are happy to remain ignorant.

[@azawestie123]

You talking about Joey or the British lad?

[@leebeeskee]

I was just as ignorant and I hated the thought of veganism because I didn't understand it. Now I'm vegan so I know people can definitely change their mindset

[@azawestie123]

@@leebeeskee all who aren’t vegan are ignorant? I wouldn’t say it’s ignorant vs educated. It’s just different values.

[@eddiesanchez1899]

Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[@robsengahay5614]

@@azawestie123 I can certainly attest that before I was vegan I was ignorant on this topic. My level of general education is the same but now I am at least informed.

[@BeardedBikerHDRK]

I love Joey Carbstrong, the way he conducts these confrontations is so classy.

[@Simon_Fridh]

You were on FIRE in this one Joey! Great job.

[@markoszouganelis5755]

Thank you Joey and Team, this in not "money", is my promise to be always by your side Vegan Activists! 🥑

[@Ray_MondOS]

Dude must spend a lot of time on nutrition/anti-vegan social media, cause he hit several of the often used, incorrect talking points.

[@TheWorldisQuietHere3]

Yep, ive noticed that too. It's spreading. I blame joe rogan and Andrew tate and other red pill losers

[@mikemilligan8461]

He doesnt even engage with the arguments presented, hes quite literally a fool

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

​@@TheWorldisQuietHere3 Joe rogan fans keep reposting on youtube shorts that's the real problem.

[@emeraldcitycreative6892]

Probably never had anyone push back on them before lol

[@Zar2244]

Just a big mouthed entitled pr.. ck

[@cathyskywalker77]

THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE.

[@MustardSkaven]

But it gives pleasure.

[@Rescue127]

​@@MustardSkavenAre you a CCP Troll? Are you one of the paid workers from the meat and dairy Industries who come on every vegan site and disrespect animals?

[@pacmanmcgavin5980]

@@MustardSkavenNot a good excuse Skaven.

[@MustardSkaven]

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 How do you measure it whether it is good or bad? What is your objective method?

[@pacmanmcgavin5980]

@@MustardSkaven Put yourself in the animals position. Someone could choose to let you live, but they decide not to because of their taste pleasure. Would you think that’s a good excuse?

[@suski.k5009]

You were so patient, Joey 💚💪🏻 that dude was acting like an angry toddler 🤯

[@SimonHuggins-ue2pc]

I agree , he was lot more patient then usual . Usually he’s all tweaked up and irritable because he’s on meth and gets agitated much more easily in other videos . he must of not had much on this day . Keep up the good work Joey 👍 vegan is the only way !

[@billybigboy7195]

Especially when he start talking about avacodos and all the insects getting killed, joey got very nasty because he had no answer

[@Jake-K-Gallacher]

To be fair Joey, these two guys, especially the loud one are justified to wonder where their protein would come from on a plant based diet when they are both clearly at peak fitness and the epitome of good health 😂😂

[@Stevelives13]

Sadly people these days think that any issues can be resolved by adding more protein to your diet.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

​@@Stevelives13Correction animal protein .

[@vidhayo-visionondhammayoga6958]

You just can't argue reasonable with joey because there is no reasonable way not to be vegan, joey love your job ❤❤❤❤

[@Bubblesbubble-m7p]

It's the "Bacon Though" meme in real life

[@BeVeganspired]

Omg I was thinking that too! 😂😂😂

[@deisepolo]

These guys are just immature selfish heartless . It’s sad to see people like them in our society. Thank you Joey. 🙏🏻

[@lisadawnrussell]

let’s hope the cigarettes and cholesterol 😅do the trick for this loser

[@samuelsurya.1981]

You are right I love chicken 🍗 🍗too🤤🤤🤤

[@bugsthompson]

​@@samuelsurya.1981 Let me guess, you eat chicken because vegans are stupid?

[@Anubis424242]

And they seem to be the norm too.

[@sarahhladymacdonald2290]

Not him saying if he was living in Canada it would be hard to be vegan… canada isn’t just rocks and lichen mate, coming from a 2 year vegan Canadian

[@Tony22715]

Canada is the world's leading producer of lentils... quality protein source. It's easy being vegan in Canada 🇨🇦 🌱

[@DebugYourBrain]

"Think about history, you like time machines..." 😂

[@Mayur_Kedare]

Your video on meat eater kill more animals than vegan was really helpful. It inspired me to create a channel that gives basic idea of veganism, making it more easy to understand.

[@DebugYourBrain]

@@Mayur_Kedare That's awesome good luck with your channel!

[@Veggiesareguud]

Well done Joey! You kept yourself calm and collected. These two honestly need to question themselves more

[@billybigboy7195]

I agree they should eat more meat

[@viviendaquino8364]

"I want to eat whatever I want, wherever I want." Classic self-entitlement. These two are callous and have their blinkers on so tight. Impenetrable.

[@jimx45]

Everyone is entitled. You just want to say others are and you aren't

[@viviendaquino8364]

@@jimx45 My approach to food is not self-entitled at all. I don't really know what point you're trying to make.

[@snowpz]

duhhhhh 'dont kill my dog but its fine if you kill yours' he doesnt even believe what he's saying but jumps on joey lmao.

[@jaromjaromene8661]

Based on their fantastic capacities to reason logically and formulate intelligent and complex strings of well thought out and highly educated ideas I wonder why these two intellectual power houses have not been invited to also represent the non vegan side in that recent Oxford debate about veganism. They would have beautifully fit in with Katie and all the other clowns.

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

😂

[@Dan_Tasty]

I love the second peanut who tries to chime in with "plants feel pain"

[@jaromjaromene8661]

@Dan_Tasty peanut? You must be joking. Based on his performance here I am sure he is AT LEAST the next Stephen Hawking. 🤣

[@Zar2244]

😅

[@ianmarshall9958]

The perfect comment right here!

[@animalsareherewithusnotforus]

🌱i became vegan because i was sick of being an entitled and brain-washed hypocrite.🌱

[@shiv_ring]

💚

[@alexlopez4]

Good for you, love this

[@GarudaLegends]

You are still brainwashed and entitled. the vegan diet is for Karens with money

[@johnmartinsen963]

@@GarudaLegends Amen 🤣🤣🤣

[@GandalfTheSilver]

​@@GarudaLegends Cheapest diet on Earth. You're really bad at this, yet here you are. 😂

[@veganm8918]

Lies, ignorance and misinformation are the only arguments against veganism.

[@GarudaLegends]

Longevity, health, taste, nutrients, and anatomy are the only arguments i need to laugh at malnourished vegans

[@Nanashi-sz6wc]

You can have a valid but absurd non-vegan ethical view so I wouldn't say only, but that isn't a strong view imo anyway

[@longdongsilver4444]

We don't need to argue against vegansim. That's the beauty of it.

[@Insight-music]

@@longdongsilver4444I see you idolize your ignorance, you’re probably fun at parties

[@longdongsilver4444]

@Insight-music who said anything about ignorance. Alot of assumptions here. I'm well aware of my position. I just don't care enough to argue. If anything the world you are looking for is arrogance. But I digress

[@buyerofsorts]

Joey corrects them on their "bean" argument so they say nobody wants to eat beans anyway. I couldn't deal with these two .

[@mark70s29]

That guy clearly doesn't eat many vegetables.. unless fried🤣

[@billybigboy7195]

Thats a nasty comment you saying hes fat ?

[@mark70s29]

@@billybigboy7195 you've seen the video..he even looks like a pease of meat..yes he's a lard ass:)

[@L-wh9ib]

​@@billybigboy7195 it's more nasty to eat dead bodies😊

[@Andrewlakeontaro]

I love how the guy in the glasses is subservient to the young guy who is already sick from eating animals.

[@chrism5126]

He's sick from eating too much sugar, not contained in animals. Get a clue

[@Andrewlakeontaro]

@@chrism5126 I do have a clue 🧩 he obese, etc in his early 20s heading for shitty unhealthy 40s, 50s dead from heart attack at 59 from eating animal protein all day, every day. I see you are unhealthy too.

[@Zar2244]

Yeah I thought that too, I think they are just incredibly naive and ignorant. Be nice if they watched some docos on animal farming and slaughterhouses, and the climate problems caused by the industries that exploit animals

[@davidformosa7626]

@@chrism5126 - you know his diet?😅😅😂😂🤣🤣

[@chrism5126]

@@davidformosa7626 Sure do, its not all meat thats for sure. Was just pointing out the obvious for you apparently

[@capucinebellucci3476]

Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊

[@Elexender344]

No meat for LIFE!!!!!

[@mrbeanie5314]

Ya animals come first. No point standing up for the people....

[@Doggyclips561]

I AGREE I DO NOT LIKE VEGAN OEOPLELS​@@mrbeanie5314

[@Elexender344]

@@mrbeanie5314 shut up

[@mrbeanie5314]

@@Elexender344 Not a fan of the truth?

[@MrHamburgerHelper]

With their impressive brainpower, those two are a real walking advert for beef consumption lmfao 😂😂😂😂

[@30daymissionman]

Absolutely vile guys. If I was related to or even knew them I would be ashamed

[@johnmorrison3560]

Go have a pint of grass mate

[@30daymissionman]

@@johnmorrison3560 tell me you are low intelligence, without telling me you are low intelligence 😂 🤡

[@billybigboy7195]

How?

[@jimx45]

Would anyone care some stranger is ashamed of them?

[@30daymissionman]

@@jimx45 you should probably re-read my comment

[@christinavanbeek]

"Liverpool tho" that's a new one lol

[@rebelvgan4579]

😂

[@Stevelives13]

Show he has zero originality. Does he crap in an outside toilet because his great great grandad did?

[@ToleVerban]

Though has ugh at the end.

[@veganforlife5733]

Should we be surprised that someone that obnoxious is fine with animal exploitation and cruelty?

[@globalist1990]

Wait until he finds himself in a position when no one will kill animals for him to devour...

[@teresajose2280]

I don’t think he is. He’s just showing off. Acting the hard man. He’s obviously just a coward but you know society….makes everyone crazy.

[@Insight-music]

So funny how people worship this mythical protein god and sacrifice animals to it.

[@sydneyfury]

Seriously!

[@jotuthegamingguru8809]

Whats mythical about red meat protein? Please, enlighten this ignorant athlete who has a dietician and has spent years understanding the benefits of meat protein?

[@MrKon619]

@@jotuthegamingguru8809 People believe that the aminoacids that comes from meat are somehow superior than the ones that comes from plants. And that is based in absolutely nothing, it's just mysticism. Aminoacids are aminoacids, you can get them from any source you want.

[@eloelo6944]

​@@MrKon619most plant proteins are less bio available than animal products. Also the amino acid profile is far superior in meat, you will be deficient in many if you eat only plant based foods especially leucine.

[@racingsuspicion9011]

It’s a miracle how some people function in society. It’s scary to think how many people are like these two.

[@GDeNofa]

What is it with these trolls and their avocado obsession? And what in the world do they think all the animals they consume eat..?🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Stevelives13]

Piers Morgan has made them believe avocado's are kryptonite to any vegan argument.

[@GDeNofa]

@@Stevelives13 I know and I hate avocados. 🤣

[@vic_tori_veganmaui808]

I know! Non vegans eat avocados. It doesn’t make sense.

[@Stevelives13]

@@vic_tori_veganmaui808 Yes literally millions of avocadoes are eaten every week. I guess there must be a lot more vegans around than we thought.

[@claytheist6736]

He blows smoke in peoples’ faces, not surprised at how selfish he is. “Are you done?” Proceeds to interrupt Joey and his own friend for 10 minutes straight lol

[@Zar2244]

Yep, he's got a very big opinion of himself, its all about him. Rude and obnoxious.

[@jackcleary1879]

Your vibe seems to have changed joey and I'm loving it, thank you for everything you do!

[@Humanoya]

Joey, you are an amazing advocate, not just for animals but for us as well. Surely, these individuals are not evil, but are simply following the brainwashing that we have all undergone. When he asked you about what your ancestors used to eat, you could have shared your own journey. You weren't born a vegan, but through early enlightenment, you broke free from the blindfolded traditions that envelop us on this Earth. We were all once like these individuals, aware but choosing to ignore what was happening behind our plates. Some people can change their perspective by confronting the horror images they usually overlook, while others may undergo a transformative experience, perhaps through a dream envisioning a world where all sentient beings are treated with equal fairness. Personally, I used to enjoy consuming animal flesh due to the cultural influence of eating it in every meal. In my earlier lifestyle, I was completely blindfolded. If someone had told me that cows are sentient beings, I would have laughed and dismissed them. However, enlightenment eventually found its way to me. I hope these individuals won't remain stuck, as many human families have come and gone without discovering the path to peaceful, caring, and respectful living. It's unfortunate, but that's how life unfolds. You did your best to bring these young individuals to reality, when they watch themselves later, I'm confident that change will come to their minds. Thank you countless times for the excellent work you are doing. Keep advocating for the importance of all lives. This is a winning position, not just for animals but for all Earth inhabitants. You might want to check out the French dairy farmer demonstration taking place in front of the European Parliament with tractors and a hanging plastic statue of a cow. The irony in French culture is evident when they play the victim card, using animals to represent their suffering, and when they profit from animals, they depict smiling or dancing cows. Our world is truly messed up with all the brainwashing we undergo, making it challenging to escape unless luck finds its way to our brains. Peace be with you always

[@TheErsatzMode]

Moob Man is an intellectual juggernaut...

[@clarecurtis36]

Thank you for always standing strong and speaking for the voiceless ❤

[@Stevelives13]

You just knew the avocadoes was coming. The sad thing is you know they walked away believing they won the argument.

[@chrism5126]

Those dudes had terrible arguments, if they had good ones they wouldnt have made the video. You smooth brains just go with whatever you want to believe because you havent done the research.

[@Stevelives13]

@@chrism5126 Good arguments like what? Funny how no carnivore/anti vegans have ever managed to produce one or been able to debunk the points Joey made in this video.

[@chrism5126]

@@Stevelives13 Meat is far more more nutrient dense and bioavailable than any plant. Do research genius.

[@Zar2244]

​@@chrism5126 Along with all the cancer and artery clogging shit, oh and antibiotics. Real nutritious, not. Also most people realise it's about stopping being a part of the abuse of animals. DOMINION the 2018 documentary will give you insight into why people have changed to being vegan. It's not just about eating.

[@Stevelives13]

@@chrism5126 And? I'm sure human meat is pretty nutrient dense too. Thats like saying if we discovered rainforest wood was better than steel for making cars it would be perfectly ok to cut down all the rainforests to make cars etc. The FACT is plants can easily provide us with the same nutrition even if they are less dense in it. And your 'argument' does nothing to address the actual issue of veganism. Do you actually think people are going into McDonalds and KFC because they think its the healthiest diet? Especially when all the evidence shows that vegans are the healthiest group in society, living longer and having less health issues.

[@Turgid_Spleenis]

Dude needs to lay off the bacon…

[@jordanwilson4182]

Your just jealous if that guy worked out he’d look better than you

[@Turgid_Spleenis]

@@jordanwilson4182 Guarantee he wouldn’t, lol. I’m actually pretty hot. Twerp.

[@ludmilavirlan9707]

Only vegans eat avocados “your avocados” 🤣 I don’t even have patience to watch the whole thing. Joey, you’re so awesome 👏🏼

[@JE-md9tm]

If we use 75 percent less farmland to grow plants, we can grow it organic!

[@gabbrthedabbr]

Organic (non veganic) is, as general heuristic, carnist.

[@Tony22715]

Yes, veganic no-till farms eventually. The current state of agriculture is horrible right now.

[@FleyDragon]

They knew they had no argument. It's why they took off so quickly.

[@oregonwoodelf]

This poor guy's red skin says it all...🤦‍♂😂✌🧝🌱

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

Could be sunburn, his obesity says a lot more.

[@John_Lee_]

Did you see his arms?

[@carlosr.9469]

,smoker, hypertension,.obesity. He'll be dead before 40

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

Now I feel sick, thanks for that ;) @@John_Lee_

[@SimonHuggins-ue2pc]

@@Linus.Gallagherhahahahahahhahaha 😂

[@sakidickerson]

He literally sounds like a piers Morgan #1 fan boy

[@Chill_Jill]

Why did I read "fat" instead of "fan" lol

[@Janibobs]

The degree of misinformation out there is astounding! Its time schools stepped up and educated kids with the facts!!

[@chrism5126]

Right, that animals are very healthy to eat and terminating pregnancy is the real evil.

[@AussieRiser]

My God those dudes were embarrassing

[@billybigboy7195]

I no and he was gang member stabbed 5 people very embarrassing

[@Birandoo]

There are no good excuses. Extraordinary actions requires extraordinary justifications. Vegan 4 years now and only regret I didn't do it sooner. Thankfully videos and talks like this opened my eyes and mind. I'd hate to look back in history knowing this and not going vegan sooner. Be a part of the solution, not the problem. If you are considering going vegan (you should), you got this. You are so welcome into communities for friends, help, support, tips and so on.

[@weirdunclebob]

As a mad LFC supporter for about 54 years I can assure you that we're not all like this fella. I stumbled on Earthlings 9 years ago and within 15 minutes I was vegan. Did heaps of research (which I still do occasionally) on nutrition, ethics, animal ag then environmental and human welfare/rights issues surrounding our (ab)use of animals and concluded that a vegan lifestyle is the best option by far in all metrics. It's better for our individual health, better for the health of other humans, better for the environment and - obviously - better for the animals. Those that deny this are either ignorant, compassionless, psychopathic or have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. I don't love animals, I just respect all life and want to avoid causing harm to anyone.

[@Palettblad]

Those 2 people are absolutely embarrassing. Great work joey!!

[@Patrick-yc3tf]

Our education system needs a subject on morality, ethics, and analytical thinking.

[@paulvanzweel]

That's not what the education system is for.

[@bugsthompson]

​@@paulvanzweel Exactly 😉

[@English_Rose4]

Karma gonna reach them, Karma gonna teach them Karma is Real! 👉☯️

[@thuglifeinventor]

I mean absolutely, if that is justified, injustice against them is also justified

[@tylerjcranford]

Thank you for trying to inform these nitwits, Joey.

[@Human_Herbivore]

Given how much crop is needed to feed at least ten times as many farmed animals as humans I don't think that protecting crops from insects even comes into it, since less crop would also mean less pesticide and all the rest of it.

[@GarudaLegends]

That is simple not true or how farming works. The fact you said 10x means you have no clue what you are even saying. Lol

[@Tony22715]

​@GarudaLegends how many farm animals do you think there are in the world? 🤔

[@GarudaLegends]

@@Tony22715 you can google it, and dont see why you are asking me? A calculator exist BTW. Educate yourself.

[@Human_Herbivore]

@@GarudaLegends there are at least 80 billion. 75 billion chickens alone.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@Human_Herbivore lol. Thank you for proving you dont know what you are talking about. You numbers are all over the place. Typical vegans

[@aurasphereDavid]

Dude, I live in Canada and I've been vegan EASILY for the past 8 years, with my wife and kids!😂😂😂 Wtf is that argument!? What do you think Canada looks like my dude...😅

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Unlike vegetable police.

[@jotuthegamingguru8809]

Good job depriving your children of meat protein. Raising some good ol' soyboys to be a big bunch of nothing for the world.

[@stealthkillertoxic4090]

It never ceases to amaze me how people forget that animals have to be fed their entire life and are thus less efficient than plants, it's like they become momentarily lobotomized.

[@dombarton2483]

Every living thing needs to be fed their entire life. Plants included. They are constantly using the suns Ray's for photosynthesis and in their root system producing chemicals which aid the soil and bacteria to breakdown nutrients so they can absorb them.

[@dombarton2483]

Carb addicts like all plant eaters are , eat a lot of food daily because all vegan diets are so deficient in nutrition necessitating the need for supplements

[@willakana3369]

Joey you would get a lot farther in these discussions if you adopted the Socratic method of just asking them questions into the ground. The biggest reason for these escalations turning into noise is because you're making statements that ultimately accuse the person you're with of being a fool. You can still make them feel like a fool, and forward the conversation, if you just ask them questions. Rather than "You're saying you like the taste of meat, so that means you don't give a shit." I imagine it would be better to say "Does enjoying the taste of something justify torturing them?" If you take a look at Ed Winters methods of debate--I find you'd be able to make these discussions more impactful and more satisfying for you. Anyway, love the way you stand up for animals man. Huge fan!

[@beakalin3923]

The guy felt totally uncomfortable because he knows he's lying to himself. I would have lost my patience much quicker Joey.💚🌱

[@claytheist6736]

He’s so insecure lol. The angriest ones know they’re doing something wrong.

[@Harley.1]

his physical health is a perfect indication of how nutritious his diet is.

[@ilkka9385]

Dumb and Dumber.

[@GimLu-q7j]

There was only one Dhead vegan.

[@GorgeGuides]

Imagine being those lads and watching it back. Embarrassing.

[@_Cappe]

Just a small point, I don't think that going down the path of "killing insects for crops is self-defense" actually helps, from an argument perspective. It just reinforces the anti-vegan idea that we discriminate smaller animals. I think in these cases what needs to be stressed is the difference between accidental/collateral death and direct murder, along with the fact that far more plants are grown for animal agriculture then they'd be if we all went plant-based. Also, even in this case, numbers are nowhere near to the deaths of animals in farms and slaughterhouses. That's what I'd put pressure on, otherwise they'll just keep going on with the narrative of "you don't care about the small guys"

[@DeathLetterBlues.]

Just a couple of things. Accidental deaths occur when a harvester or plow runs over a field. Or even simply mowing your lawn causes accidental death. There's nothing accidental about pesticides e.g insecticides, miticides and rodenticides or even traps. That is deliberate and intentional killing of pests. What also needs to be taken into account is the crops grown for animal agriculture e.g soybeans only require pesticide spraying twice a season compared to say cabbages which is at least once a week as they're far more susceptible to pest invasions.

[@_Cappe]

@@DeathLetterBlues. Yeah, right, should've probably added "inevitable" there. Can you explain to me why you think the difference at the bottom should be stressed?

[@DeathLetterBlues.]

​@@_CappeLol, I wouldn't say stressed, more take into consideration. When the crop deaths argument is "debunked" then it's often a numbers game of how many insects are killed. Vegans say substantially more are killed in crop protection for animal agriculture than protection of human edible vegetable and grains. It also depends on which country you reside in.

[@_Cappe]

@@DeathLetterBlues. I see, thanks. However, soybeans can easily be "converted" to human consumption, can't they? I'm just using the example you wrote before to reiterate the main point, which is once you move all that away from animal agriculture, every negative aspect is going to "decrease". We're still talking about hundreds of billions of land animals slaughtered every year vs. the consumption of 8 billion human beings

[@DeathLetterBlues.]

​@@_CappeIt could, but humans would never consume the total amount of soybeans currently being grown. 80% is used for animal agriculture alone. 60% of the worlds soybean production is imported to China for animal agriculture, mainly cattle feedlots. US beef is 96% grain fed, where Australian and New Zealand beef is 97% purely grass fed. As I mentioned, location in which you reside is an important factor. I think I've seen the statistic of 80 billion land animals killed every year. When you do the maths that's 10 animals per person, per year. Which isn't even 1 a month. Seems pretty reasonable to me considering that number includes chickens.

[@TheAndyVegan]

"You think you're funny but you're actually hilarious and dumb." .... He needed to hear that.

[@JamEZmusic86]

Much respect for not bringing his gut or boobs into the debate. Not sure I could have resisted.

[@Divine_Bebe]

Thank you for standing up for the animals mate💚 Gave Big boi and lil gregory over there something to think about

[@RighteousnessWillPrevail]

The guy in the black shirt is 1000% correct. And one more thing. The guy in the blue has no respect for his friend because he would never allow him to speak.

[@geauxgaia]

I wish people, including myself, could master the art of mature debate, adulting-dialogue, and receptive discourse. this is so heart-breaking. infantile behaviors and strategies masquerading as adult behavior and strategy merely because it resides in an adult body. Thank you so much for the work you do. may as many people as possible become vegan, and may those who choose not to no longer support factory farming, but rather local slow food movements where animals have a far better quality of life. Much love and praise.

[@plantstastegood]

Really sad to see them trying so hard to justify what they obviously know to be morally wrong. They are one edge of the bell shaped curve for sure.

[@adammeeks6448]

Do y'all remember the movie Stand By Me. That guy looks like Lard Ass from the pie eating contest 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@standardbloke9711]

with all due to respect to the big lad - a wild hog is more likely to wanna mate with him than attack him... #DaddyPig

[@cathyskywalker77]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nicolao.dos.santos]

😂😂😂 that made my day

[@KellySmunt303]

Blue shirt and glasses were laying in bed. Blue shirt rolled over now glasses is dead.

[@archie73in]

Thank YOU for all you do Joey! One ignorant mind at a time- you’re dismantling all their fallacies.

[@nathansmurrant7293]

God he didn't let his friend say anything 😅

[@claytheist6736]

I’m glad, he was clearly about to barf out “but how do you know pla-“ …nts don’t feel pain? Lol blugh.

[@py16667]

They laugh yet now look like a joke to most rational people & basically gave Joey easy content & only made him look better, I mean it is pretty funny lol

[@smakko]

"Yes, its bad, but Im gonna still keep doing it"

[@Chew_becca]

What does he mean "have you finished talking?" All he was doing was interrupting everyone 😮‍💨🤦🏻‍♀️

[@jjradV]

There is no justification for not being vegan ! Because of this persons self interest he made a complete fool of himself.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Ex wfpbd study?

[@saloni1sood]

"You live in the wild"-yes "Where did you then get your bagpack from? Did you make it out of a tree?"- yes 😅

[@natalieanderZen]

Thank you for your incredible work! ❤

[@helensophia2900]

God bless you Joey🙏How on earth you kept your calm and didn't make the obvious low blow remarks is beyond me. Setting such a good example of compassion is impressive 🙏💗

[@BamBlueberry]

There's a visible change in these two guys when they pass the brain cell from one to the other 🤣

[@Chill_Jill]

You mean the 1/2 of brain cell 😂

[@zovi3363]

I'm vegan, but I do not understand the self-defense argument. The insects are not attacking us. I feel pretty rotten about the insects and wildlife that get killed in crop production but can only reduce cruelty so much

[@wesfactor1]

Agreed. Certainly not a reason to give away being vegan but hopefully in the future mankind finds effective ways to protect food sources from insects without killing them.

[@SpikeFastingRacing]

Porky didn't like getting schooled lol

[@BeyondaThought]

These guys are the kind of people that'll never change. They prefer to be dishonest and intentionally stupid then change their way of thinking. "If a hog was running at me, I can kill it and eat it", is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.

[@unlimitedhangout5]

Than*

[@lorrainesveganallotment887]

OMG. They were Facebook Trolls in real life. Great for the vegan bingo game.

[@bugsthompson]

Im using their faces in my anti vegan troll version of guess who. Its near complete and going to be very profitable.

[@sethhoyt2202]

They were so immature, almost unbearable. Keep it up!

[@thevegandragon4676]

Think the flies and the cockroaches would fly a mile rather than land on that flabby pink human flesh!

[@StipularWorm]

You handled these guys so well. Hats off to you.

[@dangerfulmind]

The guy forgot to put his bra on.

[@cathyskywalker77]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GimLu-q7j]

Just like your mommy

[@jordanwilson4182]

I thought vegans were more open minded than this… you’re just as bad as the right wingers you guys complain about all the time.

[@toastycrunch3722]

Gosh i do not like people like this. They think they know what they're talking about but know nothing. True props to you joey for your patients with people.

[@bugsthompson]

I mean, you started your sentence with "gosh" so you're already a million times more intellectual than them 😂

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

Patience

[@vegan.rex_8]

I lost my patience with these guys less than half way through the video

[@fityoga86]

How very sad, not only complete lack of empathy, but the guy in the blue top appears to have no regard for his own health & the obvious devastating effects, his diet has already had on his body! Not only are people ignoring the suffering of sentiment beings, they are setting themselves up, for a lifetime of obesity, heart disease, diabetes & other chronic diseases 😢

[@TheSandersLifeDad]

Finally the faces of the "mmmm bacon" commenters 😂😂

[@TheAndyVegan]

Carnist: Animals only matter to me if they're my property. Vegan: So animals only matter to you if they're you're property. Where have we heard that before? Carnist: I never said that. 🎯Rewinds clip where carnist says animals only matter as long as they're his property🎯

[@Chill_Jill]

I will ALWAYS be Vegan For The Animals 💚🌱💚

[@BoyzBetterKnow]

And I’ll always be a meat eater for the animals

[@Chill_Jill]

@BoyzBetterKnow That's doesn't make any sense. Going Vegan means taking an ethical and moral stance against unnecessary cruelty, mutilation, and death of sentient beings. If you cared about all animals, you would go Vegan, instead of eating what your television tells you to eat.

[@Chill_Jill]

@BoyzBetterKnow That's doesn't make any sense. Going Vegan means taking an ethical and moral stance against unnecessary cruel ty, mu ti lation, and de a th of sentient beings. If you cared about all animals, you would go Vegan, instead of eating what your television tells you to eat.

[@pedromiranda1000]

You're a legend Joey. You and all the team. Thank you!