Student confronts vegan about indigenous culture | HEATED DEBATE

[@ed.winters]

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[@VeganV5912]

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[@VeganV5912]

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[@VeganV5912]

Like SIaves.. 1495-1900s. Time to stop hurting animals !!!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!!

[@avenginglettuce]

Honestly, I have more respect for people who just say, "I lke the taste of steak" than people who cartwheel through these absurd hoops to try and gain the moral highground.

[@somedude172]

this. i have one friend who i can talk to about veganism, and she isnt vegan (idk any vegans irl). but she never tries to justify it and she usually agrees with me after asking clarifying questions/ looking at proof. her excuse is "i just dont care"... hearing that makes me sick to my stomach but hey, at least its honest. im so tired of the types that constantly feel the need to validate themselves using crazy ass reasoning like this. if you feel that guilty just go vegan and save us all the trouble.

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

no one likes the taste of steak otherwise they wouldn't have to spice it

[@TheVoiceOfTimPaige]

I have said this so many times. People who just admit that they care more about the taste pleasure than they do about the lives of those animals... or they believe animals aren't worthy of being treated with respect because they're not humans. Those people... though I think it's sad, at least it's honest.

[@weston.weston]

@Avenging Lettuce: You are absolutely, right! She seems to have a lot of unrelated stuff she's dealing with that makes makes her seem wild, crazy and hard to listen to.

[@maiadraconica6488]

@@blue_sky_bright_sun7599 to be fair we usualy use some seasoning on vegan food as well unless its like premade. Especialy tofu for me, i cant stand the flavour of that stuff

[@kalatheballa]

I am Indigenous, Rosebud Sioux and Yakama Nation and I'm also vegan. The reason I went vegan was because of my Indigenous culture, I was taught to treat animals with respect. When I was 5 years old my uncle took us hunting, he shot an Elk, we found it and it was bleeding out. He pulled out some tobacco and said a prayer for it, he thanked it for all the resources it would supply our family with. He hushed it to sleep and stabbed it, killing off the elk. As I got older I realized the way I eat had no tie to the animals, it had NO RESPECT for the animals. I could just go to the store and get as much meat and dairy as I wanted without paying my respects to the animal. So, me going vegan was directly tied to my relation with Indigenous culture. Edit: This is when I grew up on the reservation and with the resources I had, this was out of necessity. Then as I got older and moved away to attend University is when I realized my disconnect.

[@billyguyjoe1858]

i always say this. veganism is very aligned with indigenous culture values yet so many people try to use those same values against veganism to excuse their actions which just boggles my mind.

[@adrianakolev4940]

Thank you for sharing this! I have seen this excuse about “indigenous people honored animals when they hunted them” in the past, as a way to justify eating meat now. I’ve always understood the case to be that some indigenous cultures truly respected the animals. They did hunt them because they had no other choice at the time. But that with new availability to nutritious plant foods- those same indigenous values would mean we stop hunting. It was never about killing the animals, it was always about causing the least harm and doing the best to show care.

[@kurleykath.]

@@adrianakolev4940 ⭐️⭐️

[@thegratefulsteve]

The land devastation caused by the animal agriculture industry alone should be enough to lead most indigenous individuals who have access to, to be vegan.

[@KP-us5pq]

This makes perfect sense thanks for sharing!

[@tamarrosenberg-walker7599]

Veganism is white ? I am a black woman raised by vegan parents. I have never put dairy or meat in my mouth. She has no solid argument. She was struggling. Thank you for this very interesting interview. 💚🌱

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

According to her, you are a mythical being 😂

[@malikqujaakitsoq4941]

I think it's also a part of Indian culture? At least to some extent?

[@Paul2377]

I kind of get where she was coming from. While, of course, there are a lot of POC vegans, more vegans are white and middle class. In England at least (where I'm from). I mean, look at the milk pour events today. They were in Harrod's, Fortnum and Mason, M&S Food and Waitrose. All firmly middle class.

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

@@Paul2377 errrrr I'm in England and heelllllll no! Vegans in England are diverse racially, just like the rest of society. Maybe you're only looking at vegans who protest (spolier: not most vegans). Most people who are plant-based are not out of choice, which is good for their health (so long as they have enough to eat full stop), but a sad sign of the fiscal times in the UK.

[@Paul2377]

@@welcomeback2mychannel As Queen Whitney Houston once said: I wanna see receipts!

[@jamescollura]

Her mind and heart were closed from the moment she sat down. She wasn't gonna budge one bit. Eds patience and compassion is incredible 💚🐷🪨

[@bozinoski]

Painful to watch. Ed your patience is out of this world, you inspire me.

[@MrDusuke]

This it not patience. I have patience and it would certainly end there. We need a new word for that skill that Ed possess.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Definitely painful to watch

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

@@MrDusuke I have a phrase to describe Edward Gaunt: Propagandist muppet. You've got to be within the V cult not to see how weak are his (atheistic) arguments.

[@cahns5025]

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme glad someone voices the other side of the conversation

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

@@cahns5025 The ridiculous, V narrative needs opposing. I'd happily talk to any of the V influencers!

[@autisticsapphic8991]

“you’re trying to make me feel guilty” honey, that’s called your conscience

[@jessereimer302]

word

[@NotTodaySatan557]

facts

[@danielstill5625]

Lol exactly

[@arch94]

BARS (facts I mean hehe)

[@antarath517]

@@dvda9725 >"Rainbow flag in profile pic Opinion discarded" Opinion discarded

[@saharacedarwood9116]

Girl!! Do not drag indigenous people into this so you feel good about your bad choices. We don't need a spokesperson, we can speak for ourselves, I am indigenous and vegan.

[@mrSam3ooo]

Privileged white Americans appropriating indigenous culture for their own argument is racism at its best. Tired of it

[@enterjoyce.1927]

I know right! So rich a non indigenous person is using indigenous culture, in which she may not even be accurate, to justify her non indigenous lifestyle 😂

[@estherpenningdevries9096]

I loved it when Ed began about the guilt story. She immediately was threatened by her own guilt. 😂😂

[@cameronmacdonald6525]

Yeah that's absolutely spot on. People such as this girl make me ashamed of being white. I'm sorry some of us are still racist assholes. I hope one day that changes while we also March towards a vegan future.

[@ezradaiquiri11311]

Malcom X warned about the dangers of white liberals and their virtue signaling. His words have never been more true today with the woke mob terrorizing free Americans, no matter what race you are. Get some Thomas Sowell in your lives.

[@gabrielfioreze9746]

Her "I gotta go" can easily be translated as "I tried by all means to win the argument (and that includes the appropriation of indigenous culture) and I don't want to acknowledge you are right like an stable adult would".

[@__maxyz]

Her final look makes me so angry. She's like "you w0t" and then "I have to go" immediately turning around and showing him her ass in his face. The utter disrespect towards another human. She didn't even say goodbye or nothing. What an absolute pos.

[@silasxiii]

​@@__maxyzit's pretty funny how all of you leftists love to use mentally ill people as your mascots when they're useful to you but then as soon as they disagree you call them pieces of shit and treat them like garbage. Before you call another person at piece of shit you might want to look in the fucking mirror.

[@tylereaze2558]

Her: “veganism is a white, colonial trend!” Me, a Chinese vegan, whose culture has included meat substitutes and naturally vegan dishes for thousands of years: “aight I’mma head out”

[@kiy2347]

Same! I'm Japanese but many of traditional Asian foods are vegan and I enjoy my favorite foods that I grew up with as a vegan!

[@somerandomzombie7536]

Yeah a lot of the dumb excuses carnists make can be very triggering, but every time it’s attributed to White Colonialism I lose my shit and tear them a new asshole. It’s a completely made up excuse, with no historical background.

[@Wwetitanfan27]

Thank you for saying that. It's a ridiculous argument. Almost every racial and ethnic is more vegan per capita than whites.

[@GaiasWunderkind]

I'm a German who is vegan and if i want to go eat out, i pretty much 90% of the time go to Asian restaurants, because they have always at least a few meals which are completely vegan and taste absolutely delicious !!

[@adriancalisto3409]

The problem is that many vegans say that veganism being colonialist isn't true with the argument of it being rooted in hindu and Buddhist culture... yet they are the same people who call the same people (hindu's and Buddhist) carnist and animal abusers because they aren't vegan but vegetarians. They do this all while taking and appropriating culinary assets from east and south asian cultures who are the BLUEPRINT of veganism. They wouldn't have tofu, tempeh, seitan, soy sauce, coconut aminos, noodles, spices, tea, coconut milk, kombucha, kimchi, soybeans, edamame, rice, many exotic fruits/ vegetables/ mushroom such as jackfruit or shiitake and so forth if it weren't for east and south asians. So yes as a asian vegan, I can say veganism is a movement that is very centered around white people (at least from my personal experience). With white vegans constantly rebuking asian and black vegans for being too passive with their activism without taking in account of intersectionality (ex: If I say to my parents that the food they cooked their whole life is disgusting and that they are nothing but murderers and as bad as rapists I would get my ass whooped and/or excluded from my community. While the average white vegan can talk sht to their parents or friends dietary choices without any lasting consequences. They don't have the internalized pressure to preserve their cultural identity in a world trying to assimilate poc's and if rejected by family they wouldn't feel completely alienated because it is so easily to find support of like-minded people with similar experiences outside of their household. On top of all that, they constantly are comparing animal agriculture to racialized oppression while not experiencing racialized oppression themselve (which is problematic because they do not carry the emotional, social and economical bagages associated with colonialism and institutionalized racism to make a judgement on that behalf. And again, there is a reason why animals aren't given human rights... Rights comes with responsibility/ following the law which until now animals are incapable of doing).

[@moonstar9559]

I hate it when people use religious beliefs to justify atrocities. People have been doing it for millennia. Also I thought she said rocks, trees, humans, and animals were all equal? Why did she get hung up on an animal being called someone? Seems to me she is a walking definition of cognitive dissonance.

[@caliskaterboy626]

Good point! Very inconsistent beliefs. We see this often with anti-vegan arguments.

[@hellentavora2046]

Your comment made me remember thatb Steven Weinberg once famously said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

[@kace9075]

Exactly my point! She was so concerned about a rock yet made sure to differentiate between humans and animals. Tbh she was unable to understand anything outside of her own view.

[@seanogorman3617]

And if we’re all equal, why are we not treating all as equal?

[@taramoon9307]

She got brainwashed by the liberal sjws who fetishize "indigenous" tribes

[@jelanidacostabest8195]

She’s grasping at so many straws that she can practically clean the ocean.

[@octo.lina69]

😂😂😂 Entertaining yet painful

[@madmonksmekshop]

@@octo.lina69 Well played.

[@Daniel-oj7bx]

you have spoken !!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NikhitaPrabhudesai]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@emmainkeri7497]

i love this comement 😂😂

[@UlkNudel]

This girl actually proposes the idea that treating animals with respect means killing them. I am just astounded by the mind-acrobatics she's doing.

[@TheQuietMidden]

My husband is Indigenous, he works for a First Nations government, we live on FN land in a remote area in the Yukon north of the capital of Alaska where most people hunt and fish...and we have both been vegan for over 20 years. I have to say this woman is living in a fantasy world, "romanticizing the Indian" with her confused beliefs. She has a patronizing view of Indigenous people, as though they are incapable of nuance and critical thinking, as though they all think the same. There are very few places now where Indigenous people *have* to hunt, fish, trap. No rational vegan would ever consider the members of those communities immoral for doing what they need to do to live in such places. But in many Indigenous nations and communities that still rely on hunting, trapping and fishing, members also eat things like MacDonald's and KFC, cook turkey for Christmas, ham on other holidays, eat ice cream, bacon, fish sticks, butter, cookies. Are those foods part of their culture and traditions? Are they honoring and thanking the factory-farmed cows, pigs, and chickens for their lives, too? Are they somehow incapable of choosing plant-based options solely because they are Indigenous? Even an *gasp* Indigenous person who largely relies on hunting and fishing can make plant-based choices where possible to help reduce the suffering of animals and humans and to avoid supporting the destruction of our environment. I know, I know...it's wild! Btw, there are always vegan burgers and other plant-based menu items available at my husband's First Nation's community events now. Many members are eating plant-based meals more often. There was a vegan recipe included in the annual cookbook this year even. Times are changing. I encourage this woman to get with them. ;)

[@aprilalice04]

thank you for sharing this!

[@georginamallett6850]

Thank you for sharing, this was extremely interesting to hear!

[@adaywithaj6255]

Wow this was educational. Thank you for this comment !!

[@annieo4442]

Thank you for your valuable and true point of view.

[@vince7912]

Thank you for this

[@jeffmoya766]

I feel like this is the epitome of cognitive dissonance. She’s trying sooooooo hard to justify unnecessarily murdering animals

[@justicericketts2912]

Bro that’s all I was thinking the entire video. She is struggling very hard with it. She needed this bad

[@SeeNickView]

Seems to me she's outsourcing her justifications and reasons to further insulate her from critique. Incorporate minority beliefs about animals from the more niche parts of society, which interlocutors probably don't have much knowledge of, to mask reasons and disarm counterarguments from others.

[@caliskaterboy626]

I agree!

[@bujkaizack]

Ya can’t “murder” an animal, it’s more like harvesting 😘

[@sizskie]

@@bujkaizack u out here literally plagiarising lines straight out of mein Kampf

[@adrianchavez5102]

I am of Native American heritege (just like many Mexicans are) and I can assure you that being vegan is compatible with our culture. Corn, beans, tomatoes, avocados, cacao, chillies, squash, and sweet potatoes are a few plants that our Mesoamerican ancestors cultivated in Anahuac (North America). Animal agriculture didn't exist in the Americas before the European invasion. Our ancestors hunted out of necessity, but when there is no necessity, there is no justification. A very common philosophy across the Native Americans cultures is the reverence of nature and living beings. I think that some of our ancestors had a distinction between plants and animals based on language. For example, in the Nahuatl language, animate subjects can be pluralized like "humans" and "non-human animals". But inanimate objects are not pluralized, which includes "plants".

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Wait, I'm confused. You're saying that Native American ancestors killed animals for food out of necessity, yet grew corn, beans, tomatoes, avocados, cacao, chillies, squash and sweet potatoes? So how do you explain the "necessity" part if they had all those crops to eat? The hunting for survival excuse is suspect and I believe it comes straight from hunters twisting history.

[@AyeGonZ]

Thank you for sharing this. Respected.

[@photocannon4462]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 well I’m in apush and at the very least, it seemed to be sustainable because some groups of native Americans for instance, followed the buffalo herds and their populations would be fine. Then with westward expansion, the us army would kill the buffalo only for their skin and also in an effort to ruin the way of life of the native Americans. For instance I think something like 3 million buffalo were killed in 1872-73 alone simply because they sought to destroy the native Americans. That’s pretty messed up if you ask me.

[@Heidi_137]

Absolutely! I love Mexican food/culture and find it very easy to eat plant-based dishes that are healthy and nutritional as well as super tasty. Ancient history, as well as archeology, prove plant-based diet was always a larger part of native people's culture.

[@bekind664]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Well there were mannnyy different tribes in Mesoamérica for example there were nomadic hunter gatherers in the northern region which is dessert, and in the tropical/jungle region in the south (where the Aztecs and Mayas lived) there were civilizations where agriculture was practiced. In the arid regions, hunting was out of necessity and in the jungle regions, eating animals was on special occasions and usually for higher ups.

[@willakana3369]

Holy fucking shit. Ed you are a legend. With legendary patience, presence of mind, and light. We are so incredibly lucky to have you.

[@justincarrubba759]

The question is why arent YOU vegan yet. Not “why arent indigenous people vegan yet”. What are YOUR reasons. Its so annoying when people who routinely shop at supermarkets and have so many options bring up a really niche group of people like indigenous people

[@patty1247]

Yeah people always deflect. For example, all my leftist friends will say “there is no ethical purchasing under capitalism” but then tell me to boycott Nabisco when they are screwing over workers. Which I am totally willing to do, I am currently boycotting Amy’s Kitchen for workers rights. But if our purchasing power doesn’t mean anything than why should we boycott? At the end of the day they just don’t want to go vegan.

[@maryeverett2266]

There is no reason to be vegan except to feel like a good person. If the entire world or even a significant amount of the world went vegan, it would definitely make a difference. However what one person does has no affect on anything. Unless you're butchering animals yourself to eat them, you will not be reducing industrial animal abuse. Even someone like Ed doesn't have nearly the amount of influence he needs to make real change.

[@silk.bones.333]

@@maryeverett2266 What a horrible outlook to have on anything. Replace "vegan" in your paragraph with "feminist" or "anti-racist" and read it back. Sounds ridiculous. Lead by example. No social movements ever changed the world over night, they start with one person and that person spreads that message and it has a domino effect. So tired of seeing this ridiculous argument. Also yes it does have an effect, maybe not significant in the grand scale of things, but if you replace animals with plants in your diet, you will be saving the amount of animals you would otherwise be eating. That's how supply and demand works. Also, why would you continue to support something that you don't agree with just because it wont change the world? Make it make sense.

[@alipetuniashow]

@@silk.bones.333 soyboy snowflake “oh the poor animals” 😂😂

[@caliskaterboy626]

I agree! I use this during outreach. Many people want to talk about being on an island or being in a life or death scenario. Or they want to bring up people in the middle-east or Africa. In reality they’re driving to Safeway/Walmart/Target to pick up their factory-farmed meats, dairy products, and eggs. What the heck does being on an island have to do with that!? They love to appropriate others’ situations to justify their choices. Earthling Ed has been such an awesome resource for us activists.

[@garrenmunro2630]

Mind blowing that she calls veganism white colonialism and then begins to appropriate indigenous culture to justify her actions.

[@bvegannow1936]

Even if veganism was created by white colonialists (which those who made up the word didnt colonizie anyone), it wouldn't matter. It doesnt matter who made it up, it matters if its a good idea.

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

Exactly. Welcome to the modern University campus 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@CourageToB]

#shitpeoplesay

[@bobgreen486]

Native tribes not much better than the European dominators. Both trying to control land and control slaves

[@CourageToB]

if she appropriates her own culture she just keeps eating meat and buying it from the supermarket. all this "appropriation"-nonsense.

[@sm3dc]

Ed: is it compassionate to unnecessarily kill someone else? her: someone else? no, it's an animal... also her: rocks have souls.

[@RyanGBanister]

Carnists grasp at any rationalization to continue what they do, no matter how obviously nonsensical. 🤕

[@milkyslug]

@@RyanGBanister lmfao 🤣 truth

[@tararomanow3055]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tremix2963]

😆😆😆😐😐😐🍔

[@JennyMackie]

🤣 right!!!!

[@plasmaconduit]

you dont even have to be a vegan to watch this and feel yourself entering fight or flight from her tone and energy

[@jss4837]

this is exactly the impression i got as well

[@LilyDream35]

Oof I'm only a few minutes in. The colonization argument she brings up is so fascinating to me as a mixed Black/African/Native living in the US. I would argue that the European colonizers brought forth increased meat and dairy consumption onto African and Indigenous populations. By me becoming vegan, I am de-colonizing my food practices and learning that my true ethnic/native food sources did not have nearly as much meat as was introduced by colonization and westernization.

[@Roachhole]

So beautifully put, thank you ! 👏🏼

[@iamthepinkylifter]

Indeed. Where on Earth do they think the cows and pigs and chickens came from? They certainly weren't indigenous to the Americas. All 3 were domesticated in the Old World and brought to the Americas by European colonizers (wreaking ecological and biological havoc in the process). Yet somehow, it's veganism that's colonialist??? Make it make sense.

[@ThePathOfEudaimonia]

Haha, yes! I love this train of thought.

[@hiking1388]

@@iamthepinkylifter yes exactly!! Eat cows because it's what...natives...hunted...? 😕 She talked about eating moose, but I do wonder if she as a Texan has seen one let alone eaten one. And we all know how indigenous people kept huuuuuge flocks of chickens, that they um tended on the great plains...?🤷‍♀

[@tamcon72]

@@hiking1388 Hence her belief that a moose will willingly submit to a hunter! _Don't talk about things you don't know about like you know about them_ is something I learned by midway through grade school!

[@MrPsycho199]

Her: "Indigenous people." Ed: "Sure, but we're not indigenous." Her: "K, but indigenous people." I think she felt smart using the term "indigenous."

[@jandolinmarks]

and the whole animal is used. She says. The cow goes unconscious during the painless murder process.

[@ojk14325b]

I really don't like how she kept circling back to that vague "cosmocentrism" and indigenous people. Just because some had to do it out of necessity doesn't mean all indigenous people are hunters who romantically use every part of the animal and pray their soul returns to the ether and thank them and so on. What we know for a fact is animals feel pain and suffer like us and they don't want to die. Like most people we haven't really given much thought to eating animals and treating them as mere commodity and so we don't really have good rational justification.

[@richardlinares6314]

You guys are just jerks! If you'd seen the Walker Texas Ranger episode she saw you'd understand!!!

[@CourageToB]

U know it, caue u do it.

[@JD-FIES]

She also felt like she out-woked him with it

[@sljj9106]

She’s so confident for someone that really didn’t know what she was talking about lol

[@blablubb4553]

It's the American way of life ;-)

[@bdgregorybd]

It’s actually common for ignorant people to be very confident in themselves

[@Analaya749]

@@bdgregorybd you’re right! That explains why Ed is so confident

[@smilloww2095]

@@Analaya749 Ed is actually very humble and calm... also, what is he so ignorant about?

[@90daydifference]

Because you would’ve done any better debating a carnivore

[@Pixiellie]

I swear this girl won't be satisfied until an indigenous tribe flies over to America to thank her personally for being the voice they never asked for. :')

[@Rachel-pz5mo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tracierenshaw]

thanks for giving me a sweet giggle to a 'just not getting it' moment

[@chans_babycurls]

i get a vibe from her that she went into this debate thinking she had amazing points but then realized he had answers to them and then just repeated her points many times even tho he had turned them down already, just bc she didn't have more of them

[@onestep4ward]

100%

[@sumalyabarman7291]

wow this is good viewpoint

[@mayathepsychiic]

that's how it usually goes haha

[@hugomarquez3189]

It’s called youth, immaturity, and naïveté

[@NotTodaySatan557]

so trueeee

[@michaelhartwich]

Ed, your patience is incredible, as is your articulation, understanding and respect. Thank you for everything you are doing.

[@heloisemoise8179]

The justification of meat eating is unnecessary. Just as veganism is. Unnecessary. Just as your boy Edward is. Unnecessary.

[@jackgaughan2039]

Exactly

[@leonj4997]

People that troll the comment sections of KZbin are unnecessary… Irrelevant, irrational and elementary comments… unnecessary. Yet those individuals will always strive to make an appearance despite how unnecessary it is for them to be here since it’s evident engaging in an intellectual conversation is overwhelming for them. I suppose it’s easier at that point to just troll.. yet..unnecessary.

[@dopaminecloud]

@@heloisemoise8179 The same can be said for everything related to morality as veganism is an expression of the fundamental cog of that machine. So I'm sure you will not try to argue against any of these actions when they are directed at you. It's unnecessary. Get exploited and abused in life friend, it's the world view you help cultivate.

[@strollbaby]

Yes, he can't walk away, not matter how cringe it gets - that's just debating, hahaha.

[@BAN0N]

She wasn’t there for a debate, she was just there to talk around circles.

[@laurab3876]

Agree, she had no intention of having a conversation. She thought she would crash him with her ridiculous argument about indigenous people. She is so hyper and annoying how she almost scream, I am having a hard time staying watching!

[@adorable3817]

Yes! Maybe she thought it was an audition?

[@adorable3817]

Huh?! She really is all over the place 🙈

[@heloisemoise8179]

The justification of meat eating is unnecessary. Just as veganism is. Unnecessary. Just as your boy Edward is. Unnecessary.

[@meateaterscringe9863]

@@heloisemoise8179 "The justification of sexual abuse is unnecessary. Lets do whatever we want to"

[@vanosaur]

I do not recall ever in my life meeting anyone who has as much patience, clarity of thought and sense of moral direction as Ed. Kudos!

[@mattsavory49]

Wow I've heard some weak arguments against veganism but this woman really takes the crown of them all 😅

[@ZwrotPL]

Moose willingly give themselves up to hunters. You didn't already know that?

[@gardenofeels6872]

@@ZwrotPL She was describing the beliefs of certain "indigenous" people. Many tribal people believe animals willingly give themselves up for humans to eat, and so they thank them for doing so. If you have a problem with what she said, take it up with the Comanches and the Cherokee.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

@@gardenofeels6872 idc what crap indigenous people believe, if she believes it she takes full intellectual responsibility for it, if she doesn't believe it then its irrelevant.

[@ZwrotPL]

@@gardenofeels6872 How can you possibly believe that an animal who is fleeing from you willingly gives itself up? And why would you repeat that belief as a talking point?

[@gardenofeels6872]

@@ZwrotPL What the hell are you talking about? I never said I believed any such thing, and I certainly didn't repeat it as a talking point. I'm a zoologist, so the chances of me believing animals purposely give themselves up is pretty small. I was merely reporting what somewhat else said and why they said it. Ease up on the booze would be my advice.

[@bi.fruitsalad]

“Being vegan is a white colonized thought” Me a vegan black Caribbean woman with a culture that has vegan options and people who follow a vegan diet: 🤨

[@Mr-hq6ox]

She has a savior complex.

[@blackalien6873]

What country are you from? I am Trini and would love to hear about these vegan options. Because, it certainly isn't Trinidadian.

[@zZ38PYB50guA9PUuDhAI]

Japanese used to eat pescaterian diet due to their Buddhist beliefs. They started eating meat when they encountered white culture and started to colonize other countries. To Japan, eating beef and pork is more white colonized thought.

[@noway822]

I’m not Caribbean so please correct me if I’m wrong but I live in London which has large Caribbean population and I thought ‘Ital’ food is vegan food from Rastafarian culture? Served here in Jamaican restaurants. Just trying to learn more so please tell me I’m being stupid. Obviously I know there is a lot of meat in other parts of Jamaican / Caribbean culture. But thought ital had a place too?

[@seraphin01]

many Caribbean cultures and rastas are plant based/vegan.. but those don't count I guess, her as a texas bred and born knows better

[@danse-move]

Your last point was what finally made her walk away, Ed. Because that really couldn’t be argued against. Buying meat from a supermarket (EVEN if it is local, organic, “humane”) is not remotely similar to what indigenous communities do to eat and survive. She kept trying to say she tries to hold herself to the same standards as the tribes but there is totally nothing comparable between that and the way she obtains her food.

[@taramoon9307]

The underlying issue is that these cultures ROMANTICIZE brutality towards animals to cope with the empathy response resulting from killing. It serves to indoctrinate the younger generations as well who have a less tarnished conscience.

[@laurab3876]

@@LadyArete passion yes, understanding of her own beliefs, no. She annoyingly kept going back to a point Ed made perfectly clear he agreed.

[@sschreck08]

@@LadyArete I wouldnt call it passion, I would call it a hissy fit! She had an attitude from the beginning. All she wanted was to prove him wrong and when she didn't succeed she stormed away. She seemed angry that veganim is growing and there's absolutely nothing she can do about it! 😂😂

[@Kayte...]

@@LadyArete I was impressed with both of them. She is very passionate and still did not interrupt Ed once. She has learned how some indigenous people ask permission and give thanks for harming other living things and she wants to apply that in her own life which is commendable. She obviously thinks so probably has learned something from this debate with Ed.

[@smudge8882]

@@taramoon9307 No, they don't. You clearly haven't studied Indigenous cultures. I'm sure you only think that because of how often Indigenous cultures are used as an excuse for not being vegan. But those people making those excuses most often aren't Indigenous and don't know about Indigenous cultures either. You can't comment on Indigenous beliefs unless you've actually interacted with Indigenous cultures yourself or studied them with someone who has.

[@abcdfg4281]

I'm indigenous and vegan, I can still eat traditional foods that we make even though sometimes I adjust them but I am not losing out on anything by not harming animals. Especially if it is not your culture, don't use it to justify your bad decisions.

[@silasxiii]

If you get your vegetables from the supermarket, trust me, you're doing a lot more harm to animals than you realize. Just because you're ignorant, it doesn't make you a moral person. Look up how many animals are killed while killing a field to grow your vegetables, it'll probably make you sick to your stomach. But then you'll finally be able to pull your head out of your ass and stop listening to assholes like these.

[@chloek.9374]

“Is it compassionate to kill someone else” “Someone else? No, it’s just an animal” Literally 2 minutes before she was talking about the theory of how every creature on earth is equal..

[@Nadjasmin13]

she is sleeping.

[@manifestingsanctuary]

fake woke

[@ajagoff]

Meanwhile, a moose somewhere is making a conscious decision to either hide from a hunter or willingly give itself as food based on the worthiness of the hunter.

[@datenfritz9860]

Also her 30 sec later: "I myself try to follow the cosmocentric worldview." Yeah ... I am pretty sure calling non-human animals "something" is not part of it.

[@lastlime3792]

We are all animals🧦. Humans have lived and our bodies are designed to utilize meat, not vegetable. Ed has been a vegan for about a month🙄 doesn’t understand biology.

[@jamiekerr9246]

as a recent vegan who is middle class, i recognise this deflection a little too much. hiding behind those who need animal products out of necessity is despicable but simultaneously very easy for those that feel generally virtuous. ed's ability to simply convey the absurdity of these arguments can't be overstated in importance

[@XeLYoutube]

2 year vegan, i just feel better and better ! healthy food exercise,... i rarely sleep. i will soon levitate :D joke aside its real... i got so much energy and focus, eat shit tons of fruit vegies bean rice potato . i feel like a machine well oiled

[@MsSheilaC]

Wow very well written. Thank you.

[@chipsneak1348]

Ed is actually one of the X-Men, he has the power of superhuman patience. How he didn’t respond with “Well, that’s nonsense” to every second word is beyond me.

[@cocoahorizon9996]

I've found that being vegan makes you more calm and immune to nonsense like the loads of nonsense this lady spoke 😂

[@chipsneak1348]

@@cocoahorizon9996 I have not found the same, but in general I have learned to ignore… a little bit… sometimes…

[@Winona493]

​@@chipsneak1348 Oh, I would like to, so much! But I get angry, outraged and aghast when I hear non- vegan "arguments". You do not have any!!!!! Believe it!!!!

[@spinnie0]

Lmao this comment cracked me up. I agree though, I could not sit there and genuinely listen to her arguments for that long without absolutely losing it. What a load of crap.

[@90daydifference]

@@cocoahorizon9996 No it’s the opposite. This guy just has a public image and brand. What’s he going to do, get pissed on camera? 😂

[@lfurry808]

this poor girl…. I would have asked her to stand up and walk away. She really needed to stop talking. Ed, you are so patient and great at handling these conversations.

[@KaseyHester]

As someone engaged to a migrant worker with indigenous heritage, this woman is so uninformed, uncultured & disrespectful. She is comparing her privilege to something she doesn't even understand for her own benefit.

[@indiafalconer2185]

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[@jumpander]

Thankfully Ed's here to slowly change that.

[@sergiomerino1434]

i agree. I just wish people can just be honest. We eat meat because we like the flavor of it or we grew up that way.

[@jamesmax6303]

i dont think she was priveleged or disrespectful...just ignorant

[@KaseyHester]

@Indrid Cold wow... So you're just openly racist then? Thank you for painting a clear picture. To anyone considering veganism that sees this, these are the types of people that "call out" vegans.

[@animeinkpower9854]

He doesn't want her to feel guilty. She just quite literally feels guilty and is projecting him as the source when really she's being faced with her own morality. This whole thing was brutal to watch but never underestimate the power of a seed.

[@tracierenshaw]

never underestimate, the power of a seed...thank for this outstanding reminder...off to make breaky of porridge with seeds and fruit-vegan for many moons. she was workin hard verbally...ed your patience blows me away, i appreciate you and your work. diolch, merci, thank you soooo much

[@lewy_g_official]

"The moose will gladly give themselves to the hunter." That genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[@MadisonPaige]

😂 that was the moment for me. I was like gurl what?😂😂😂

[@saszablaze1]

i know. no one believes that. no one

[@LeporidaeanDream]

It's not the norm BY FAR of course, but yes there are instances where wildlife walks up to starving persons [mostly natives] and accept to be slaughtered. The chance of that happening when someone is on the verge of dying is pretty minimal, but I guess statistics works in mysterious ways because some sick animals may do this if you want a scientific explanation... If you haven't investigated a topic you should be more careful of judging harshly. I however do not defend actions that take life and cause pain for the sake of eating when there are other options. Then again plants go into panic when someone cuts them, it's scientifically proved. I guess we'll find a way working around that, like animals too can be killed without fear and pain for those who feel that need - not practiced by any meat supplier today. Eating animals like people do today is of course not sustainable so things must change. Food is quite an intricate decision, but more people are awakening to compassion. Thank you for your kindness towards animalian life.

[@BenjoCovers]

@@LeporidaeanDream It sounds like a nice story but there is actually no documented case of this ever happening and it probably didnt. Stories of animals offering themselves up to humans in need can be found in various myths, legends, and religious texts, but these are generally considered to be allegorical or symbolic rather than literal accounts.

[@soundstormdubai]

If you won’t eat often , might work 😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@air-bendingnomad6478]

This was excruciating to watch. I feel sorry for the people who are obligated to interact with this woman on a daily basis.

[@AnthonyTizzleMyNizzle]

She is absolutley appropriating indigenous culture to justify her own meat consumption. Once again, no solid arguments against Veganism were present. Well done as always Ed 👏🏽

[@heloisemoise8179]

The justification of meat eating is unnecessary. Just as veganism is. Unnecessary. Just as your boy Edward is. Unnecessary.

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 Lol are you the girl from the video?

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 hahaha you actually are, hope you learned something

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 idk you seem pretty riled up about Ed though.

[@cheezheadz3928]

@@heloisemoise8179 So you're here why? Stalking your boy?

[@jess1387]

I can’t imagine how offended indigenous people must feel watching this. The way she is using their culture and practices to justify her eating meat is quite extraordinary. Ed made it clear so many times that he does not preach to indigenous folk for obvious reason, but she just will fully ignored that.

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

And her generalising of indigenous cultures as if there aren't thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of different tribes all with unique histories and traditions. In some ways, I miss the days of blatant racism. At least you knew who the racists were back then, nowadays you have to listen to some privileged white person, who secretly thinks all indigenous folk are simpletons and/or noble savages, bang on about racism as if they know the first thing about it. Most of these people don't give a fiddler's fart about indigenous people or animals, and I wish they had the courage to admit that. Sure beats spending time admonishing people who are literally just trying to make the world a better place.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@Tofu_va_Bien Oh, you can still tell who the blatant racists are. They're the ones who use the term "privileged white person." Do you also think all white people are privileged? The girl in the video is just stupid and narcissistic, not "privileged because she's white."

[@manuba_]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Did you just imply the other comment was being racist against white people...? Because they said "privileged white person"...? Seriously? saying this as a white person btw, racism against white people does NOT exist

[@TXRhody]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 She goes to a good university. She specifically said she chooses to buy more expensive meat just because she chooses to follow cosmocentricism. If that isn't privilege, I don't know what is. The part about her being white is to point out that she is NOT indigenous. Facts are facts. She's white and she's privileged relative to someone who has to hunt animals just to survive. It is despicable that she's appropriating indigenous culture to use as a shield to excuse her selfish behavior. There is nothing respectful about that.

[@k.c7655]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 I honestly think the person you replied to used 'privileged white person' in a facetious way, to mock the people who do use such phrases. I think you're both on the same side here, and you're misunderstanding his point.

[@vasilisthemelis9017]

Her: “I’m appreciating indigenous cultures” Also her: “These tribes live away from civilisation”

[@tobbs5410]

She couldn't even fucking name 'that tribe that begins with a K'. It's basically just white girls playing 'pick me' when they know next to nothing about the people that they're homogenising and stereotyping.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@tobbs5410 She doesn’t look white to me. Idk what she is, but she looks mixed at the very least.

[@dipanjan_roy]

@@tobbs5410 Some people have trouble remembering names and the name of the tribe is not that important but what her point was. Although, I would say that she was trying to justify her own actions by mentioning "them" and her arguments were very weak. But she did know what she was talking about. Her idea mainly was on point with cosmocentric philosophy, say the life lived by natives in the movie Avatar. Nevertheless, she was mostly saying anything to justify eating animals.

[@tobbs5410]

@@dipanjan_roy She also claims that animals aren't conscious right after claiming that moose have telepathic powers in order to consent to being hunted, before comparing throwing a rock to throwing a pig. I've never seen such mental gymnastics from anybody like that before but at least it's fairly entertaining.

[@dipanjan_roy]

​@@tobbs5410 hahaha

[@Raziel433]

This debate was… breathtaking in its pageantry. She ‘lost’ the debate the minute she started talking about white colonialism, as if the early colonialist and settlers in the western world were vegan or that the concept originated out of western thinking. Ed nailed at the end of the debate. The fact she can’t distinguish the difference between killing animals out of necessity vs out of convenience says a lot about how we view animals more generally and how far removed we are from the entire process. Fantastic work, as always Ed!

[@sharebear9108]

I got second hand embarrassment from watching this video. I love how cool, calm and collected Ed always is

[@Kash568]

that is understatement. I have no idea where she is going from indegious to undocumented workers. In short, she is dumb.

[@AThingThatsWild]

Not even a vegan, but this dude is litterally destroying these people with solid argumentation and FACTS. I might become a vegan after just watching this dude.

[@RyanGBanister]

I hope you do! It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. (Vegan for 7 years)

[@bellablack5756]

Same here, good luck MegaMan (vegan 5 years)

[@RyanGBanister]

@Jaguar Zew Flow No

[@AThingThatsWild]

@Jaguar Zew Flow acctually (I work in medicin) vegans tend to Iive longer and have fewer chronic diseases...

[@lbeschrich]

@@RyanGBanister me too! 2015 I made the switch

[@polinakrasnova6287]

I keep pausing, because when this person speaks she gives me terrible vibes. So aggressive, yet lost. So difficult to watch. I feel like at this point Ed has transcended. Bravo! Thank you for being who you are and doing so much work on behalf of the animals and all vegans.

[@Cpth-t2m]

how is she aggressive? just because she articulates a certain way does not mean that she's "aggressive". problematic vegans like yourself love to call others "aggressive" for the simple fact that they don't share your lifestyle.

[@marllon9786]

I see a vulnerable woman struggling with mental health (something she admitted to). She comes across _charged_ rather than "aggressive".

[@Cpth-t2m]

@@marllon9786 Exactly. I completely agree.

[@lilbbillzz]

it just seems that arguing her perspective is activating her nervous system a bit. she appears in a hurry to get her words out, but I don’t see that as aggressive, more so a sign of anxiety and conviction. I have heard myself speaking this way when I desperately want to be understood by someone. 🥴

[@caliskaterboy626]

@Tony Montana I agree. It’s a demeanor she has which comes off that way.

[@harikristi]

Ugh I couldn't even watch more than 3 minutes of this---I feel so much second-hand embarrassment for her, she's making such a fool of herself. Ed has the patience of a saint.

[@chelseab3032]

"Kill them Halal." "What does Halal mean?" "I don't know." Hahahaha. It's amazing that you can't possibly think this conversation can get worse and it just...does...

[@HoneyTwee]

Honestly worse than that. Her: "in a halal way, where they don't feel pain.. Ed: "what does halal mean?" Her: "I could not tell you because I am not Muslim" She doesn't want to speak for other cultures when it comes to excusing her ignorance. But she is perfectly fine speaking for other cultures when it's justifying her causing harm to animals.

[@dachsrottweiler]

Doesnt it mean killing animal and hanging them to bleed out?

[@HoneyTwee]

@@dachsrottweiler my understanding is that halal meat involves slaughtering the animal in a way that minimises pain in the animal. Obviously killing the animal still involves pain and I'm sure halal methods predate any scientific testing to see if it's actually minimizing animal suffering. But halal meat is typically done by slitting the throat and then I think sometimes hanging them to remove blood. Which obviously still sounds like quite the traumatic and painful experience for the animal. But you'd have to research it more to be sure. I don't really want to look more into it as it's pretty gross lol.

[@ben.pueschel]

@@dachsrottweiler halal means hanging a conscious animal upside-down and slitting their throat. medications to render them unconscious are prohibited

[@scslre]

@@HoneyTwee nothing about halal prioritizes killing without unnecessary suffering.

[@fomorians]

What amazes me the most about Ed is his skill as a debater tbh. It's beyond me how he was able to eloquently counter the other speaker's ramblings about the "cosmocentric worldview". He could debate anything and win - it's a true blessing to have such a gifted debater on the side of the most peaceful movement in history.

[@toxx1220]

Debating in its actual form isn't about winning or losing. People gotta understand that. If the opposing person provides the more reasonable argument and convinces you then both sides win. It's all about getting a better understanding of the matter.

[@Blinwar]

Yeah, it's an art to not fall into the traps of frustration, anger or impatience, even aside from all the other skills you need to be a good debater. It's certainly an art I don't possess.

[@carlinhermoso7783]

God i love this comment

[@mmhmm9271]

It's his emotional stability that does it for me. He's very intelligent, but I'm sure that if I had as much practice as he does I'd be able to counter these people just as well. However I would never be able to stay as calm as he does, so I'd never be anywhere near as effective.

[@Paul2377]

I agree. He listens and is respectful. Which is in direct contrast to most of the vegans in the comments section I'm sad to say - most of whom are rude and hectoring. Ed will change minds, they won't.

[@eloisesophia947]

Bestie took one history class on indigenous tribes and is randomly quoting parts from the power point presentation that having nothing to do with what Ed is saying and asking lol. Embarrassing.

[@binathere2574]

Another abusive comment

[@akhnatenpage4854]

Talking about people living in places where plants literally can’t grow and thus depend on the animal population for food, living in the middle of an oasis. Lmao.

[@eloisesophia947]

@@akhnatenpage4854 “living in places where plants literally can’t grow”. So what do they feed these animals they depend on? Lmao, what do they feed them on their massive journey to the middle of an oasis? It must be a huge journey if the people can’t leave it so how do the animals survive such a journey? They wouldn’t have the capability to carry food supply let alone water supply for these animals to make it into the oasis even alive, not to mention living in an oasis incapable of growing plants what natural medicines would they have? Or shelter from the sun? Eating animals would be a risk for them as they can’t be treated for parasites. Which means poorly cooked meat or accidentally consumed animal saliva, snot or waste could be fatal to the people if consumed, such instances can be observed with Ebola, swine flu and even Corona virus. You also know that you cannot live on meat alone? Without fruit and vegetables (referencing you saying ‘plants literally can’t grow’) you will develop Scurvy, vitamin and mineral deficiencies and more. Speaking of oasis’s you do realise an ‘Oasis’ is an un-expected water source in the middle of the desert which allow for a lush variety vegetation to grow such as date trees, figs, corn, wheat and citrus fruits just name a few or did you not know this? You do realise the only people living in an Oasis in current day are generally nomadic tribes right? Which as Ed has stated we aren’t talking about tribes or survival situations, we’re talking about us in a 1st world country. With 1st world privileges such as grocery shops, locally grown goods, fast food and food ordering apps. If you read my original comment you will see I said “quoting parts of the power point that have nothing to do with what Ed is saying” (jokingly). So I don’t understand how my comment went right over your head :) hopefully this one doesn’t.

[@eloisesophia947]

@@binathere2574 care to elaborate on how pointing out factual conversational points said by a participant within the video mixed with a light form of humour is abusive? Simply highlighting the fact she was unable of responding to his original questions.

[@akhnatenpage4854]

@@eloisesophia947 either you completely misread my comment or I said it really badly. I meant to say it’s kinda stupid to come to a conversation about veganism and immediately bring up an example of where people can’t be vegan, while the question is posed to someone living in the middle of an “oasis”. By that I mean one of the most diverse cities in the United States where you can find vegan options and vegan restaurants on every corner.

[@u-n-isurvive3030]

The people that slaughter meat for you suffer a lot. I remember a guy that worked in a slaughterhouse saying that he had nightmares all the time where he would be running in a pool of blood. You can't violently kill sentient animals day in and day out without having mental scars unless you're a sociopath. A lot of these slaughterhouse guys are drinking heavily just to get through the day. If you continue to eat meat, just remember that someone else is developing PTSD and sacrificing their lifelong mental health in a slaughterhouse in order to get that meat to you.

[@kamaliancirranoush1916]

Yes. Thank you!

[@pearcat08]

This!!! Thank you for bringing this up, it needs to be talked about more. Even if people refuse to have compassion for animals perhaps they will have some for other humans? The pessimism I me says no though 😢

[@Angela_Clark]

I think that's an incredible point to make. I've read articles about what these individuals go through, and it's truly unfair for the animals, and those fulfilling a selfish demand.

[@noabay3478]

Her: *Does not want to stop supporting suffering and killing of animals* Also her: *tries to defend a hypothetical rock being thrown on the ground*

[@Matt-sl1wg]

... because indigenous people!

[@CourageToB]

your internetuse supports the suffering and killing of animals. lets kill two birds with one stone by getting you of the internet and spare us of your comments - for the animals

[@bejoysen4468]

It's fine as long as you say "thank you" to the rock.

[@Xul]

Did Ed actually let a "Shut up" slip there at 20:56 ? Or did I hear that incorrectly ... I wouldn't blame him :) This esoteric mumbojumbo has got to be the most idiotic defense that I have ever heard.

[@jgamysta]

@@Xul he said “Sure”

[@marianclaasen594]

She has no arguments, only excuses to continue the practice of eating animals.

[@BonShula]

@Happy Carnivore What's a cult to you if you think veganism is a cult?

[@mystercraig]

@Happy Carnivore calling something a cult doesn't make it a cult. try being plant based and see how repetitive, hive mind jokes and uninformed opinions come out of the words from ppl all around you. literally try it, pretend to be vegan for a while and see what wild things ppl say.

[@mystercraig]

@Happy Carnivore activism is inherently a cult?? the definition of cult is religious veneration and devotion to a specific person or object. What object or person or even animal do vegans devote themselves to, a cow?? You don't have to like veganism but calling it a cult is defamation and disingenuous.

[@mystercraig]

@Happy Carnivore owned?? are you 15? lmao we're having a conversation, not a match of call of duty. where did you get that definition for cult from because it does not show up in any reputable dictionary. I literally, verbatim, quoted the dictionary... which says there needs to be an object or figure for which members are devoted to. you can't just change definitions because you don't like it. by your definition, meat eating is more of a cult 😂 eat meat if it makes you feel better about yourself but don't come in acting self righteous, Jesus Christ your attitude is more obnoxious than "vegans". Learn to engage in discourse without making petty remarks, you might actually get a point across.

[@MichaelStanton26]

Signs of an addict

[@ChaseAvior]

If killing is "respectful", I hope she doesn't "respect" me.

[@stupidsem9055]

xD

[@caliskaterboy626]

Good one!

[@cynicalidealist11]

Well according to her your value is equal to a rock, so I wouldn't put it past her.

[@smilloww2095]

Your patience is absolutely mindblowing.

[@a.nonynous6626]

This girl literally just convinced me to go vegan lol

[@deadraccoon5210]

They are an adult though. Not a "girl".

[@bi.fruitsalad]

She made me wanna stay vegan forever 🤣🤣

[@CourageToB]

@@bi.fruitsalad what really makes you wanna be a vegan is the lack of balls.

[@CourageToB]

oooh, using whiteness of others as excuse for your nonsense ideology

[@RealmsOfThePossible]

She thought she was so smart with her social studies indoctrination but when faced with real world questions she showed how much she was in a bubble and how little she actually knew. Bet she will go cry about being bullied and oppressed while wondering why she blew $100,000 on a useless education.

[@VeganiseAnything]

Your calmness, patience and eloquence implies that you're, at least, half a saint, Ed 🙌💚😇

[@fitvegan_activist]

How he manages to keep his cool is remarkable!

[@voxtur__7]

He's literally glowing.

[@manish_shrivastav]

This is a man who knows the religious and cultural roots of veganism - Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism. Hats off to him!

[@Seraphina_Atley]

Exactly! ❤ veganism not a Western construct

[@natimages3]

not many buddhists are vegan. They are more vegetarians (that also includes not eating fish). The buddha was not a vegan. He ate whatever was given to him.

[@manish_shrivastav]

@@natimages3 Yes that's true too.

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

Vedanta philosophy... mostly

[@bloodbuddy7]

@@natimages3The historical philosophical roots of veganism exist in Hindu and Buddhist philosophy- in the early understanding that animal suffer and that our suffering and theirs is connected, thus we should try to reduce their suffering. The reasons that many Buddhists were not vegan historically is a) the kind of suffering that animals endure now in dairy farms is totally different to the way in which most native people have procured dairy and b) the global trade and agriculture did not allow for a person to easily have a vegan diet until recently. Now many Buddhists who are actually trying to minimize the suffering they cause do avoid unethically sourced dairy.

[@mellowboogie]

It's such a shame she couldn't just take it on the chin and end the conversation in a mature way. Instead she stormed off like a child. I felt for her because the genius that is ED is not an easy person to argue against and she tried her best. But in the end, her arguments fell flat. If I had to hear her say the word 'indigenous' one more time I was gonna scream. 🤣🤣🤣

[@dustinthegael]

It’s pretty disturbing how far some people will go to justify killing animals just for the taste but pretend it’s for other reasons

[@adamwood87]

yup. her real reason is at 16:20 - did you catch it? "'someone else?' ...it's an animal." pure speciesism; all that mental gymnastics for nothing.

[@bujkaizack]

Nope, no other reasons. Animals good as shit! Plus- Plants grow from dirt Dumb shit eats the plants Mean shit eats the dumb shit

[@bujkaizack]

@@adamwood87 speciesism? Lmgdao, ya goddamn right there’s prejudice, eating people is immoral. Animals are good as shit tho

[@marcela9216]

@@bujkaizack I love how you're accidentally giving another perfect example of speciesism lol

[@oluwaliblue8684]

@@marcela9216 I'm fairly certain these kinds of comments are from farmers that commissioned the tech sector to make anti-vegan spam bots. Their responses are so braindead and silly

[@AbbyAndrew]

I feel like she's just shouting things that she saw on anti-vegan twitter but has no idea what the heck she's actually saying

[@Nice-sm5hr]

Spot on

[@blueberryoatmeal4009]

Yup.

[@ART_EYELAND]

“Halal is the best way. But I have no idea what it is”

[@mittenstheninja626]

@@ART_EYELAND you could see the exact moment cognitive dissonance hit after he said halal meant slitting a conscious animals throat, but damn if she didn’t power through like a champ

[@zaboomafooba]

@@ART_EYELAND it truly sounds like how people will parrot stuff from fox news without understanding what they're saying.

[@simmy1823]

What was that ending!? Her arguments were so thoroughly and respectfully dismantled that literally all she could do was scrunch her face and leave

[@karicreates7668]

Do you feel any compassion for her?

[@cynicalidealist11]

It was a pathetic way to end a discussion with someone who was clearly trying to be respectful.

[@jconnor1337]

where are her notes to save her, notes to the rescue, they'll explain why it's okay to kill someone. "It's an animal." oh, way to split races, makes it better.

[@indiafalconer2185]

I have written 2 vegan songs kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcYoSvfq5sn7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/hISql4Saj7CXlbM Time to Change and Rebels and other songs on my channel. 🌱🌍💕🐖🐄🐓🍓 It would be amazing if you could give them a listen and comment your thoughts in the comments in my KZbin videos!

[@iamthepinkylifter]

i know, rude.

[@mackhomie6]

Something tells me Ed wasn't swayed by the cosmocentric worldview.

[@lography6917]

How to appropriate indigenous and Muslim culture when you know nothing about it 101

[@PauLtus_B]

I bet all the people from other cultures are really happy when someone starts bringing them up to defend their own shitty behaviour.

[@mrSam3ooo]

So much ego in this person. She knows she's wrong but she's clinging on so hard. Painful to watch, hope I never ever meet someone like that. The "what I engourage you to do" at the end was so toxic. And when Ed told her she's appropriating indigenous culture at the end she 100% knew he's right

[@megankay7]

yeah its so cringy and painful to watch this girl

[@alimbo9436]

Ed definitely triggered her with that zinger

[@jakeicloud]

She defiantly thinks she won this argument lol

[@eveastardust3747]

I'm glad she was so ego, it's good she put her ignorance out in the world because, so many people are confused by theses same arguments.

[@skully-999]

Maybe though she will think about this discussion later, calmly, and research more, maybe even reconsider her views. Sometimes in a discussion we try to hold our ground even if we feel it shaking. But after some time, some honest thoughts later maybe she will consider that he might have had a point. She seemed very emotional to me and it felt like she had to take lots of painful hits to her whole identity. I hope she will take something good out of this.

[@ebowes22]

She refers to a cosmocentric world view in which everything and everyone is equal when it supports her argument, but then argues that animals are inferior to humans when Ed calls them ‘someone’…

[@TXRhody]

Good catch. Ed also didn't get to point out that eating animals kills more "souls" because of the food the animals eat (and the rocks they may step on). The idea of an educated person CHOOSING to believe that rocks have souls baffles me.

[@smudge8882]

@@TXRhody She doesn't believe it. She's just using Indigenous beliefs as an excuse despite not being Indigenous nor having their belief system.

[@15jorada]

Ironically, that world view is what made me vegan. Native beliefs were about the persoanl sacrifice of the anumal for the benefit of the tribe. They used to personally thank the buffalo for their sacrifice. When I was a child, I couldn't look at the animal and thank them for their sacrifice, so I decided to become a vegetarian. Eventually after that I decided I wasn't vegetarian enough and became a vegan. Very few people in the modern world actually have that connection that they were hunting for that purpose and that necessity. And even if they did, most people don't need to.

[@madzmadeit]

I caught that as well

[@ojk14325b]

@@15jorada the sad thing is many forget these actions are done out of NECESSITY. Even then it's overemphasized to a point where many indigenous cultures are lumped together as strictly hunters. It ignores the agricultural prowess of many of the cultures in the Americas including the ancient Maya, Aztec cultures and the Inca to the south and really plays into the tired old "noble savage" tropes. A lot of the emphasis on eating animals and especially animal agriculture are a colonial import.

[@MichaelThomas-ll1hw]

She’s so excited to apply concepts that she just learned in anthropology this year … she so wanted you to say “no, Inuit people should eat morning star veggie burgers”, and that wasn’t your argument at all lol. I’m not vegan but I completely understand your argument and point of view

[@vegankev]

6 year Vegan, Indigenous Canadian here 👋 living in an urban area myself means there’s no justification for eating animal parts no matter how much I respect them and my culture!!! Lovin’ the videos, Ed. ✌️

[@vegankev]

@@witriole_22 sorry, far from it 😆

[@PerpetuallyAnnoyed]

Very cool 💚

[@ireneziel9844]

💚💚💚

[@Letthembelightpeaceonelove]

You leave them alone BECAUSE you respect them! Thank you 😊

[@cameronmacdonald6525]

Thank you from a fellow Canadian. While I believe that what my ancestors have done to your people is disgraceful and you should be paid unlimited amounts of reparations and given your land back, I don't see why people think that going vegan somehow infringes on that. Why can't we march much harder towards truth and reconciliation while also transitioning to a vegan world. People such as this woman in the video who say that wanting the world to go vegan means we are putting animals first and don't care about humans actually makes me embarrassed to be a human. Thanks for standing up for the animals by going vegan buddy. I hope that one day we can reconcile what we've done to you in the past while also creating a vegan future. And yes I do know our government isn't doing nearly enough for the indigenous people of Canada. I hope one day that changes.

[@ivanhagstrom5601]

"Yes, I agree. Also, I didn't listen. Now, let me repeat my point." This was her basically the entire conversation...

[@EternalJourneys]

Thats why I tapped out after 2 mins lol

[@AFTERPUPPET]

@@EternalJourneys you didn’t miss much. It was all total crap.

[@bamhamer]

Lol. Yes

[@Annastevensx]

She says that she tries to respect everything and everyone but can't even be bothered to say thank you or respect the conversation she had with Ed at the end. Just walks off in defeat because she knows her argument was stupid 😂. Using someone else's culture to justify her actions when it's clearly got nothing to do with it at all. Ed I don't know how you do it but you're amazing keep it up, I love seeing people think, and also how they respond. Shame how some people can't see how lovely Ed is and the way he delivers his points is so eye opening. Thank you for standing up for the animals ❤️

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

Show me proof that veganism can work in North Korea, Venezuela or any 3rd world country. Show me proof that a person in the army can be a vegan and still be an efficient soldier. I stopped being a vegan because it is a philosophy that does not work for all people in all living situation and all financial situations. Human life is unequivocally more important than animal life. If I had to choose to save a human baby over 1000 baby cows I am going to save the human life. We eat meat because we have to eat and survive regardless of where I am in the world.

[@MoxxMix]

@@walnoemispoyt5604 Grow a brain.

[@leonj4997]

@walnoemis poyt Why would someone not be able to be in the army and not an efficient soldier? There is plenty of peer reviewed science advocating the health benefits of a whole food diet. You don’t need to compare human life to animal lives..you will never have to choose saving a human baby over 1000 baby cows.. those things are irrelevant to Veganism and just another irrational excuse against the philosophy. The point is not to make every last person on the planet vegan obviously there are humans that live in scarce conditions and rely on the lands resources for food.. however you and the majority of the planet are not in that situation so using their living situation as an excuse for yourself is also irrational.

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

@@leonj4997 Do you know of any soldiers in any army in the world who are vegans? The answer is none because they can't survive off the land being a vegan. We do need to compare human life with animal life because a main factor to veganism is that we need to value animal life. I am saying that animals serve a purpose to us humans. The vegan's hidden agenda is to outlaw eating meat which is thus trying to make a vegan world. If you truly believe in freedom of speech you should take better consideration of my thoughts before dismissing it. You are correct that the majority of the world are not in those extreme situations THAT IS WHY I SEEK A PHILOSOPHY THAT WORKS FOR ALL HUMANS IN ALL LIVING SITUATIONS AND ALL FINANCIAL SITUATIONS. Ergo veganism does not work because as you have just admitted ONLY THE ENTITLED CAN BE VEGAN. So vegans should stop demonizing people who eat meat otherwise they should respectfully listen to arguments like mine if they wish to continue demonizing people.

[@leonj4997]

@walnoemis poyt Just because we don’t personally know any soldiers being vegan doesn’t mean there isn’t.. again you comparing your living situation to other people to justify your reasoning is irrational. So we need to compare animal Life to human life to value animal life? Do you hear yourself lol.. vegans value their lives that’s why they don’t contribute to the unnecessary suffering and deaths of those animals..they don’t serve a purpose for you they want to live their lives free just like you and me do. I’ll consider a rational argument but I have yet to see one made so I’ll keep dismissing all of the excuses I see. Here you go again trying to rationalize your reasoning on why it’s not possible because it’s not possible for others .. where is the logic in that thought process? Not every human on the planet will always be compassionate to others so by your own logic I don’t need to show compassion to people since there are people in the world who are not and always will be right? How is being vegan entitled? I’d say it’s the other way around.. you think you are entitled to take the lives unnecessarily of other sentient beings because you like the taste of their flesh.. but I’m entitled because I don’t want to contribute to their deaths? Want to elaborate on that one? Im Not demonizing anyone and I don’t see a lot of vegans on these threads do that( obviously some do).. yet you can look at each thread and find someone who hates vegans and is trolling the comment section or bolstering harsh comments towards vegans and demonizing them. See how it can go both ways? You keep finding problems with individual not the actually philosophy of Veganism.

[@smadaf]

"the least pain as possible". The least pain possible from being slaughtered would be not to be slaughtered at all.

[@smadaf]

Also, "the least pain possible" or "as little pain as possible", but not "the least pain *_as_* possible".

[@JD-FIES]

Her: everything has a soul, and is equal Also her: focus on humans, they are more important

[@Ingu.z]

I mean even if everything has a soul, a rock still can't feel pain. If they do suffer somehow on a spiritual level, so does the animal that also suffers on a physical level. (I'm an atheist, but just to point out that her view doesn't really escape the initial problem.)

[@anonymouslearner2454]

OmG THIS! I came for these! I lost it when she said animals aren't "someone"

[@financemarin]

So right!

[@marvinzagorac3549]

👍🏽

[@bettyoster4417]

I think she is so angry because she actually knows he is completely right about everything he says...

[@pirds102010]

she failed to change topics to indigenous people and he resisted well and said: "I have no bones with that, I am talking to YOU people here". Well argued Ed! Changing the conversation to a whole different topic is one of the most popupar strategies they use, if they don't want to say they have to rethink about stuff.

[@silasxiii]

Except he's not right about anything. It's easy to look like you know what you're talking about when you're debating a neurotic with shitty debate skills.

[@brycefalloway]

@@silasxiii by and large he's debating university students, including the most prestigious ones like King's College London, Brown University and Harvard. I have never seen him lose a debate whoever is in front of him, and the only time he's not able to get his full arguments across is when he's invited on TV and cornered by 3 different people all of whom oppose and interrupt him. By the way, he currently teaches at Harvard, has given several TED Talks, held several speeches at various universities, produced a number of documentaries, and written two best-selling books. I think these credentials validate the idea that he knows what he's talking about. Let me flip it on you though: isn't it easy to sound righteous on KZbin when you've got nothing but a shitty attitude, can't even do one bit of research, offer zero evidence, and are pretty secure in knowing the person you're attacking will likely never challenge you back? What's your credentials in claiming he's not right about anything? Say it with your chest buddy.

[@Jlar-ol6mo]

​@@silasxiiiyou got rekt lmao 😂

[@tientruong2007]

Conservatives hate to be called out, they always play mental gymnastics to justify their selfish behaviour and avoid reflecting on their own poor morality by writing off those that call them out as virtue signallers. She's a a clear example.

[@itsathay]

She is more concerned with being right than anything else. It's kind of sad and insane how she can see the truth and has no argument against it but still won't accept it.

[@adamwood87]

yup, this is why learning to listen - really listen - is so important. if she would have taken a few seconds to really consider what Ed was saying, rather than just waiting for her turn to speak, she may have learned something.

[@rogerrules123]

most people are like this, unfortunately.

[@bvegannow1936]

Seems like she rather try to make up a bunch of excuses than admit shes wrong

[@Rescue127]

From a psychology standpoint this young lady has so much anger in her heart. She's obviously been hurt and she's taking it out on the animals. Her logic does not make any sense because she has options that some people may not have. She's what you call a book of excuses.

[@tinaferr]

Idk about that. Kind of invasive. For most ppl they just like the taste of meat and it's part of their lives. Not malicious, just indifferent. I don't think meat eaters are all sociopaths who like hurting animals. If anything the cognitive dissonance required to keep eating meat when you do care about animals/the environment is stressful but that comes from liking animals. I say this as someone who really enjoys the taste of meat and am not ashamed to admit that now that I eat vegan (veggan from backyard hens to be exact). Ppl who eat animal products are probably just selfish, not evil. I think it's important to realize this and not demonize meat eaters if you want to convert them

[@Rescue127]

@@tinaferr I am not here to convert anyone. I am here to tell the truth and to let people know that you can't put taste buds over a life. This is not just somebody picking out an outfit and somebody liking blue or somebody liking pink this is an actual living sentient being. And it is evil if you know that Injustice is being done and you don't care. You can't sugarcoat this. We all started in the same boat when we were born but it doesn't mean that we have to stay in the boat. I chose to leave it and to move to a higher ground because it's the right thing to do. Walking by the flesh and not walking by the spirit is why the world is in chaos that it is today. I'm not saying that meat eaters are evil people but what I am saying is if you know that somebody's life is being tortured for your taste buds would you not at least consider another option for eating food when it is readily available? We are not living in times where you have no choices. You can't say that you love animals if you are allowing them to be tortured. Please watch Dominion or cowspiracy documentaries and then you may have an idea of why the vegan movement started.

[@326Alan]

Imagine being shouted at for 20 minutes and keeping cool. Astounding.

[@fannyboni472]

Right?! I thought the same! The way she was "talking" ( shouting) was so uningead,

[@Kash568]

could be because he is vegan that is why he is calm.

[@UncleWalter1]

I had to pause the video a couple of times to take a breather. Such a stressful energy.

[@brianhueber3683]

She ran out of arguments fast. She was still shouting though

[@KimSmith-b9v]

Her conscious are screaming so she must scream. 🤫

[@zeldreda8063]

I got some serious second-hand embarrassment from this girl. She has the passion, it just needs to be redirected.

[@crustmuskandpixiedust]

Second-hand embarrassment. Thank you for putting words to a very relevant feeling and expanding my vocabulary.

[@thoughtfulpro371]

There’s nothing worse than the combi of aggressive, passionate + ignorant, disrespectful.

[@glenmurray7699]

She clearly suffers with autism or something similar

[@mystercraig]

@@glenmurray7699 she said she had a neurotic disorder so it makes sense.

[@Kerm88]

I read that as "eradicated" and agreed.

[@elpretender1357]

What the lady is explaining isn't a "cosmocentric view", is an anthropocentric view: as long as humans feel good with themselves doing the things they do, they can pretend no harm has been done, because they were "nice" with the animals.

[@Eric42RandomVideos]

💯

[@fernandog5855]

That applies to everything humans do. You only do things that in advance benefits you.

[@jamesb9448]

​@@fernandog5855 Only if you're arguing that philosophically there's no such thing as true altruism as doing things for others makes oneself feel good about it. But there are plenty of people who really go out of their way to do things for others who they'll never even meet. Where the benefit given out is far greater than that to self then the philosophical argument of the existence of altruism or lack thereof becomes moot.

[@jekkt]

this also applies to vegetarian / vegan industry in the sense that it creates huge monocultures that will sustainably damage the earth instead of healthy eco system containing plants AND animals

[@elpretender1357]

​@@jekkt What "vegan industry" are you talking about? You mean the one that creates niche vegan products like vegan icecream/sausages, or the agricultural system in general? There are many ways to grow plant foods beyond monocultures such as vertical farming, mushroom fruiting chambers, intercropping, etc. A healthy ecosystem is one where humans do not breed an artificial population of animals that generate tons of waste, polute water, damage the soil and on top of that need lots of plant foods in order to grow, so we create monoculture fields of corn, soy, hay and others plants specifically to feed them.

[@DemoniteBL]

You can tell she doesn't really care about minimizing suffering in this world, she just cares about being politically correct and appearing to be progressive so that others will praise her for it.

[@Jess-TheMess]

"It's more compassionate than other ways of killing them". "It is, but is it more compassionate than NOT killing them"? 🤯 I love how he said that💜

[@kissme1518]

I was never taught compassion because it's not spared to a midget like me. Just like I'm treated like a lower lifeform I find it hard to care about other lower lifeforms unless it relates to my kind.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

Also, whilst I understand that he probably didn't want to get drawn into a debate about halal meat, the primary difference as far as the animal is concerned between halal and non-halal is whether the animal is stunned before having its throat slit. Stunning probably reduces suffering, because it means the animal isn't conscious whilst it bleeds to death. Like, personally, if somebody was going to kill me either way, I'd rather be knocked unconscious first.

[@ahhnikitaa]

that whole halal conversation was so funny LMAO

[@chris5909]

"The moose will gladly give itself up to the hunter" How does Ed sit there so calmy lmao

[@vanbaza]

BRO exactly, I burst out laughing and then there I see Ed, calmly, not even gesturing the slightest smile. And there I was, broken.

[@manifestingsanctuary]

It reminds of this video i watched of a goat farmer who said his goats willingly give themselves to him because god commands him...then i saw what he meant and I saw animals who TRUSTED him enough to handle them and touch them in vunerable areas as humans do with those we trust-it is not an offering to slit our necks because we allow someone we trusted up until that point to touch it. I also see animals who collapse and freeze in fear and people say that is them "giving" themselves. I've frozen in fear before as many humans do in perceived life threatening situations and it's out of shock/inability to cope and understand the best way out not out of acceptance. Many humans literally are less intelligent than the average dog; we're taught so much but know so little and no understanding how to read things on our own anymore because we lost all touch with true connection.

[@kamaliancirranoush1916]

Like she can read a Moose’s mind lmao.

[@tatiana4292]

Exactly! Hahahaha I could not xD

[@miguelmackay4851]

he is Vegan Jesus after all

[@mayathepsychiic]

"They hunted them in a humane way, they would chase them off cliffs-" girl just listen to yourself 💀

[@Garciai-lp4jd]

Dead 💀

[@JimiHL]

Ed, you are awesome. Your patience and calmness is inspiring.

[@birdiesattva]

This was very painful to watch. I hope they reflect honestly on this experience. The disrespect, ignorance, dissonance, and contradictions she displayed were staggering. Well done, Ed.

[@HarryChrisp]

Culminating in her abrupt exit at the end, so rude.

[@drestarman]

@@HarryChrisp her look before the exit stage left was "what the f are u talkin about! f this im outta her" zooooooom

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

I am against Ed but I agree this was painful to watch. She should better organize her thoughts so that she can convey the essence of her philosophy. I stopped being a vegan because it is a philosophy that does not work for all people in all living situations and all financial situations. In addition I value human life over animal life. If Ed can prove to me that Veganism can work in North Korea, Venezuela and show that a person in the army can be vegan while being an efficient soldier only then would I reconsider veganism.

[@birdiesattva]

@@walnoemispoyt5604 It literally, by definition, is a philosophy that works for anyone regardless of their life circumstances, though.

[@piskmanne]

​@@walnoemispoyt5604 But would it work in YOUR situation?

[@Batooony]

It always annoys me to hear "you want to help animals first, then humans". It's completely wrong... Animals don't need your help or my help, they just need humans like you, to stop thinking that it is some kind of charity not to murder them. Nobody is expecting you to help animals, just stop being their worst fkn nightmare.

[@rachellaine4904]

I agree!

[@jonjonwp]

Good one, I'll remember that to use. Thanks.

[@adamwood87]

she's making a tu-quoque fallacy, and Ed humanely slaughters it. the root of her stance is pure speciesism - just like for all carnists - the irony, in her case, is that she is an SJW with the same mindset about non-human animals that a slave owner had about their slaves.

[@sunnybunny7053]

That’s a really good point I hadn’t thought about it like that. They wouldn’t need help if WE weren’t hurting them in the first place

[@krisp0114]

That's brilliant, well said.

[@brotherBvideos]

omg, this was great..hi, im 40 and I've eaten meat forever..I've been watching your videos and Yourofski's for the last 2 weeks and I'm beginning to change what I buy from the market, its true, there's no reason to justify harming animals when we have alternatives, thank you, keep up the great work.

[@Mezzagaga]

I’m Also 40 and regret that nobody has opened Up My eyes earlier ! I just started some weeks ago

[@veganlifting4145]

Way to be open minded I wish more people were like you

[@jekkt]

only thing thats going to change is a shift in harm from the animals to yourself

[@jekkt]

@Tony Montana yeah coz ppl eat garbage processed meat and then turn vegan with fresh products and suddenly feel amazing. no shit. wait 10 years until the malnourishment causes all kinds of different symptoms. u need vitamin a, vitamin b12, vitamin k2 etc, cant get it from plants, they are exclusively animal based

[@hm9181]

@@jekkt wow. You have no idea 😂

[@danielhearne-potton7710]

Ed with the MIC DROP sign off at the end. I’ve never been so pumped by someone’s final words at a debate than I was just then. Ed executed that to PERFECTION (watch from 22:15)

[@keecc3243]

She’s angry for all the wrong reasons. So aggressive. I struggle to relate to people like this, I’ve been vegan for 5 years at no point before that did I ever argue that slaughtering animals was justified. Never. I wrestled with my guilt since I was a child to be constantly told it was normal to consume animals. I always knew it was wrong it just took me a long time to align my actions with what my gut was telling me. Ed you have the patience of a saint 🙏

[@JoJo-ew2vm]

SAME!

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Same! I came from a hunting and fishing family and hated it. It fed us but I felt bad. Once you understand you don't need to do it, you naturally want to stop.

[@ElizabethRocher]

EXACTLY.

[@cynicalidealist11]

Same. Some vegans like to say "but you were like that too once!" and I'm just like "no I fucking wasn't" lol I may have grown up eating animal products but I never attempted to morally justify it like this woman.

[@voiceofvegans]

The worst part of being an activist is dealing with ppl who are so passionate and confident about defending Speciesism without any knowledge on the subject. The worst amongst them are the ones who keep making points without reflecting on the counter arguments made.

[@terryjackson9395]

If you peel away all the layers of any anti-vegan argument, Speciesism is ALWAYS the core difference in their thinking.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

The worst part about being an activist seems to be debating dumb people. At least from this specific video

[@terryjackson9395]

@@justsomerandomname2067 My favorite straw-grasping arguments I've been told (yes, for real): 1) Vegans shouldn't drive because driving kills bugs. 2) Vegans kill more life in the form of bacteria and waste more water because they poop more. 3) Lab meat is actually more cruel to animals because the animals will never be born nor have a chance to have lived. 4) If animals are being used as conduits for energy we could get more directly from plants, why don't we just eat the dirt? 5) Why would God put useless animals like cows and chickens on Earth, if not to be eaten by us? 6) Veganism is actually more immoral than carnivore, because it makes people feel bad. 7) Hitler was a vegan. 8) Women who swallow c*m aren't true vegans.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

@@terryjackson9395 wow😶 People are dumb omg, how could anybody say any of those seriously?

[@verarim6872]

I think the only way Ed is able to keep it together while listening to her is thinking "These arguments are sooo embarrassing and terrible that they will make for a fantastic video to convince a viewer to go vegan. Please continue!"

[@leabhareire2106]

“I gotta eat.” - “You don’t have to eat them.” - “That can be argued.” - “Well, No.” that was my absolute favourite part. Keep up the good work 🙌

[@user-nr2ku9dk9b]

I don't like to see people getting humiliated, but at the same time she so passionately fought against ending animal cruelty that I can't have much sympathy.

[@SirBojo4]

You’re the only one here acknowledging the public humiliation aspect in the comment section and I respect that. Everyone human is mediocre yet people seem to inconsciously presume that humans are by default good and people like the girl like in this video are just under the acceptable moral level or whatnot but everyone will go stupid and insensitive like her one moment or another in their lives. This just breed personal arrogance and alienation to act like that. I mean don’t have sympathy for someone saying stupid shit ok but have empathy by putting yourself in their place to see where they’re going from. I can see that what drove the girl in the video to hold her wiews is most likely a justified bitterness toward the western world and through that she sees veganism as another moral phenomenon (like christianism historically) infringing on the native americans right to decide of their own ways. Although whether if it is valid or not isn’t my point so please do not drag it there to sweep any reasoning under the rug. We can see that her judgement is just really clouded, that’s what anger does and so instead of raming on her with a purely moral arguments like “this doesn’t justify doing it” which is very inefficient on many if not most people as either they will give every justifications not matter how far you push them (cognitive dissonance) or they will confront you with an opposing wiew on the matter, and honestly contenting yourself with a demonstration your virtue or their lack off is just selfish and arrognt ifyou take a larger wiew. Anyway that was my wiew on the matter and if you have a piece of constructive criticism please share it ;)

[@SirBojo4]

PS: I’m not asking to be nice and to do mental gymnastic to not offend else, especially when the other don’t want to understand your point, we don’t necessarily have the time and patience to do so.

[@velociraptor3350]

The part where she was talking about Halal slaughter being the most "humane" way of slaughtering cattle made me facepalm. Halal and Kosher slaughter is easily the LEAST humane way of killing cattle. Unlike other species, cattle have two pairs of arteries directly supplying blood to their brain - the vertebral and carotid arteries. Slitting the throat of a cow will sever the carotid arteries, but leaves the vertebral arteries intact, meaning that they still have an adequate supply of blood to their brain to remain conscious and cognisant. Throat slitting as the only method of killing cattle leads to a prolonged, horrible death where they are conscious and feeling for several minutes after their throat has been cut. What a rude and ignorant girl.

[@alessaapathy]

THANK YOU! This was humiliating to watch, she very clearly knew absolutely nothing about halal or humanity at all. She claims to care for all things equally, like rocks. But then recoils at the thought of an animal being a someone. My god the hypocrisy.

[@meghan6438]

I didn’t know about this process or the anatomy of a cow. Interesting (and very sad)!

[@caliskaterboy626]

Wow I had no idea about those two sets of arteries. I’ve seen Halal slaughter in videos and never thought it looked “humane”.

[@joejoe850]

I don't know much about the anatomy but you are right on the conscious for minutes part. Grew up in a muslim family and used to slaughter myself before going plant based. Even after slitting it's throat the animal will thrash and sometimes try to get up for minutes after

[@nexxtocomeup5398]

She said "HALAL - They don't feel pain"... Ed: They have their throats slit 🥲

[@BooksAndTempeh]

As a Hindu that has never eaten meat... she is wrong right from the beginning.

[@Andrew-nm4qh]

How old are you?

[@pmaster1173]

@@Andrew-nm4qh I'm 26, never ate meat, neither has my dad at 52 and grandpa who is 77. And my great grandpa who died at 97.

[@ipconfigearth102]

Indeed - very crutially wrong... and mis-representing so many people of the world

[@stephenh694]

@@ipconfigearth102 As a Hindu that does eat meat almost every day, I have to say equally she's not wrong on that point.

[@BooksAndTempeh]

@@stephenh694 That makes zero sense in context to the video. She said veganism/vegetarianism is rooted in colonialism. Which is factually incorrect. Did you even watch the video or did you just want to argue with a vegan? Just cause some Hindus eat meat doesn’t mean veganism/vegetarianism was started by white people. So no. She was wrong, very early on in the video.

[@GuitarLoverX]

That cosmocentric worldview sure sounds like a great excuse for not caring about animals.

[@gvngbvngiggy]

If one understood it properly i think it would actually make you care more. I sort of agree with that view and the way she uses it as an excuse is a bit pathetic.

[@rhinos111]

"I gotta get to class" is the smartest thing this girl has ever said.

[@joeyveegs7124]

😂😂😂

[@fannyboni472]

Lmao

[@fannyboni472]

Yeah right!? She clearly lack knowledge about the subject, dont grasp the nuances of this debat and on top is arrogant about the whole thing!

[@shawnee8271]

💀💀

[@zina2435]

maybe she’ll learn something there!

[@belliebone]

Oh gosh Ed. You burned her on this debate. I couldn’t have gone through talking to her without showing frustration. She kept going back with her arguments which were already previously refuted. Good job as usual Ed. I commend you and your amazing repertoire of patience that many of us dont have.

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

Vegan militants can't handle criticism

[@Hmza92]

@@niranjansinghdangi8397 Wdym?

[@KomalGill]

@@niranjansinghdangi8397 😆 you think her arguments were solid?

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

@@KomalGill That girl roasted this soy's a*s

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

@David You are a weirdo

[@RyanChristopherLee]

If she just said, "I enjoy the taste of meat, and I don't really want to give that up" I would've had more respect for her than her citing all this bullshit and pretending to care.

[@dont_harsh_my_mellow]

It's honesty. Instead of clarifying how she just doesn't care about animal cruelty to that extent, she decided to get on this soapbox about other cultures not being vegan out of necessity and effectively erasing said cultures from their contributions to veganism by saying veganism is a part of white colonialism (when might I say that veganism was practically invented by India which is to this day a victim of white colonialism).

[@kachi2782]

For that she would need to admit that she is in the wrong but doesn't care, americans will never do that.

[@kenslycarpel3140]

@@kachi2782 Are you assuming no American knows how to take accountability?

[@kachi2782]

@@kenslycarpel3140 Either this or the ones who do pretend to take accountability, are hypocrites since they refuse to give the land back to the indigenous populations. One or the two.

[@Paul2377]

Exactly. I'm a meat eater and it's because I enjoy the taste first and foremost. Best to be honest really.