Student confronts vegan about indigenous culture | HEATED DEBATE

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In today's episode of Debate a Vegan, Q sits down with Ed to discuss indigenous culture, and why it's not acceptable for him to force veganism onto others. #Veganism #Debate #Indigenous #USA
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[@VeganV5912]

.. Like CharIes Manson. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼‍♂️ Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time. I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼‍♂️. KZbin delicious vegan food. Time to change....

[@VeganV5912]

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[@VeganV5912]

👆👆😈🔴

[@VeganV5912]

“I am the one that’s responsible, what’s happened” Jeffrey Dahmer . kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y56ciZ2giMili7s !!!!

[@VeganV5912]

Like SIaves.. 1495-1900s. Time to stop hurting animals !!!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!!

[@cflo984]

As a vegan AND an Alaskan native (Tlingit tribe) I don’t appreciate her using my people to justify her ignorance

[@douglaswalters396]

Also, you’re probably very close to Juneau or Washington. Not very rural. Easy to get plant based foods

[@douglaswalters396]

You have to look further north, or western Alaska. Southeast, south central, and along the chain, it’s very easy to get produce via Alaska Marine Highway, or even the road system. Your location, it’s quite easy to be a vegan. However, it isn’t for quite a lot of other places in Alaska. Coming from a Yup’ik Alaskan

[@cflo984]

@@douglaswalters396 Yes but native populations living so remotely they have to catch their own food are such extreme and rare examples that veganism obviously wouldn’t apply to them and no one’s saying they should. She used the blanket term Alaskan natives which applies to all. Which just goes to show her ignorance, shes implying all Alaskan natives are living off remotely and have to catch their own food which a stereotype. My point is there are still Alaskan native people in Alaska (myself included) who are vegan and her using Alaskan natives to prove her point is aplles. Also I don’t think anywhere in Alaska is “easy” to be vegan unless you live in maybe Anchorage. If I wanted to go out to eat I have damn near no options where I live.

[@bigsquid2020]

Cosmic centric world view indigenous people cosmic centric world view indigenous people cosmic centric world view indigenous people….

[@voidvoidvoid7274]

This comment should be pinned ! Unlike animal carcasses in people's homes and this person probably has a few hanging over her bed.... Which is sickening :/

[@garrenmunro2630]

Mind blowing that she calls veganism white colonialism and then begins to appropriate indigenous culture to justify her actions.

[@bvegannow1936]

Even if veganism was created by white colonialists (which those who made up the word didnt colonizie anyone), it wouldn't matter. It doesnt matter who made it up, it matters if its a good idea.

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

Exactly. Welcome to the modern University campus 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@CourageToB]

#shitpeoplesay

[@bobgreen486]

Native tribes not much better than the European dominators. Both trying to control land and control slaves

[@CourageToB]

if she appropriates her own culture she just keeps eating meat and buying it from the supermarket. all this "appropriation"-nonsense.

[@chelseab3032]

"Kill them Halal." "What does Halal mean?" "I don't know." Hahahaha. It's amazing that you can't possibly think this conversation can get worse and it just...does...

[@HoneyTwee]

Honestly worse than that. Her: "in a halal way, where they don't feel pain.. Ed: "what does halal mean?" Her: "I could not tell you because I am not Muslim" She doesn't want to speak for other cultures when it comes to excusing her ignorance. But she is perfectly fine speaking for other cultures when it's justifying her causing harm to animals.

[@dachsrottweiler]

Doesnt it mean killing animal and hanging them to bleed out?

[@HoneyTwee]

@@dachsrottweiler my understanding is that halal meat involves slaughtering the animal in a way that minimises pain in the animal. Obviously killing the animal still involves pain and I'm sure halal methods predate any scientific testing to see if it's actually minimizing animal suffering. But halal meat is typically done by slitting the throat and then I think sometimes hanging them to remove blood. Which obviously still sounds like quite the traumatic and painful experience for the animal. But you'd have to research it more to be sure. I don't really want to look more into it as it's pretty gross lol.

[@ben.pueschel]

@@dachsrottweiler halal means hanging a conscious animal upside-down and slitting their throat. medications to render them unconscious are prohibited

[@scslre]

@@HoneyTwee nothing about halal prioritizes killing without unnecessary suffering.

[@sljj9106]

She’s so confident for someone that really didn’t know what she was talking about lol

[@blablubb4553]

It's the American way of life ;-)

[@bdgregorybd]

It’s actually common for ignorant people to be very confident in themselves

[@Analaya749]

@@bdgregorybd you’re right! That explains why Ed is so confident

[@smilloww2095]

@@Analaya749 Ed is actually very humble and calm... also, what is he so ignorant about?

[@KevinSamuelsKid]

Because you would’ve done any better debating a carnivore

[@tylereaze2558]

Her: “veganism is a white, colonial trend!” Me, a Chinese vegan, whose culture has included meat substitutes and naturally vegan dishes for thousands of years: “aight I’mma head out”

[@kiy2347]

Same! I'm Japanese but many of traditional Asian foods are vegan and I enjoy my favorite foods that I grew up with as a vegan!

[@somerandomzombie7536]

Yeah a lot of the dumb excuses carnists make can be very triggering, but every time it’s attributed to White Colonialism I lose my shit and tear them a new asshole. It’s a completely made up excuse, with no historical background.

[@Wwetitanfan27]

Thank you for saying that. It's a ridiculous argument. Almost every racial and ethnic is more vegan per capita than whites.

[@GaiasWunderkind]

I'm a German who is vegan and if i want to go eat out, i pretty much 90% of the time go to Asian restaurants, because they have always at least a few meals which are completely vegan and taste absolutely delicious !!

[@adriancalisto3409]

The problem is that many vegans say that veganism being colonialist isn't true with the argument of it being rooted in hindu and Buddhist culture... yet they are the same people who call the same people (hindu's and Buddhist) carnist and animal abusers because they aren't vegan but vegetarians. They do this all while taking and appropriating culinary assets from east and south asian cultures who are the BLUEPRINT of veganism. They wouldn't have tofu, tempeh, seitan, soy sauce, coconut aminos, noodles, spices, tea, coconut milk, kombucha, kimchi, soybeans, edamame, rice, many exotic fruits/ vegetables/ mushroom such as jackfruit or shiitake and so forth if it weren't for east and south asians. So yes as a asian vegan, I can say veganism is a movement that is very centered around white people (at least from my personal experience). With white vegans constantly rebuking asian and black vegans for being too passive with their activism without taking in account of intersectionality (ex: If I say to my parents that the food they cooked their whole life is disgusting and that they are nothing but murderers and as bad as rapists I would get my ass whooped and/or excluded from my community. While the average white vegan can talk sht to their parents or friends dietary choices without any lasting consequences. They don't have the internalized pressure to preserve their cultural identity in a world trying to assimilate poc's and if rejected by family they wouldn't feel completely alienated because it is so easily to find support of like-minded people with similar experiences outside of their household. On top of all that, they constantly are comparing animal agriculture to racialized oppression while not experiencing racialized oppression themselve (which is problematic because they do not carry the emotional, social and economical bagages associated with colonialism and institutionalized racism to make a judgement on that behalf. And again, there is a reason why animals aren't given human rights... Rights comes with responsibility/ following the law which until now animals are incapable of doing).

[@bi.fruitsalad]

“Being vegan is a white colonized thought” Me a vegan black Caribbean woman with a culture that has vegan options and people who follow a vegan diet: 🤨

[@Mr-hq6ox]

She has a savior complex.

[@blackalien6873]

What country are you from? I am Trini and would love to hear about these vegan options. Because, it certainly isn't Trinidadian.

[@change9517]

Japanese used to eat pescaterian diet due to their Buddhist beliefs. They started eating meat when they encountered white culture and started to colonize other countries. To Japan, eating beef and pork is more white colonized thought.

[@noway822]

I’m not Caribbean so please correct me if I’m wrong but I live in London which has large Caribbean population and I thought ‘Ital’ food is vegan food from Rastafarian culture? Served here in Jamaican restaurants. Just trying to learn more so please tell me I’m being stupid. Obviously I know there is a lot of meat in other parts of Jamaican / Caribbean culture. But thought ital had a place too?

[@seraphin01]

many Caribbean cultures and rastas are plant based/vegan.. but those don't count I guess, her as a texas bred and born knows better

[@326Alan]

Imagine being shouted at for 20 minutes and keeping cool. Astounding.

[@fannyboni472]

Right?! I thought the same! The way she was "talking" ( shouting) was so uningead,

[@Kash568]

could be because he is vegan that is why he is calm.

[@UncleWalter1]

I had to pause the video a couple of times to take a breather. Such a stressful energy.

[@brianhueber3683]

She ran out of arguments fast. She was still shouting though

[@user-tk1xd9js1z]

Her conscious are screaming so she must scream. 🤫

[@bettyoster4417]

I think she is so angry because she actually knows he is completely right about everything he says...

[@pirds102010]

she failed to change topics to indigenous people and he resisted well and said: "I have no bones with that, I am talking to YOU people here". Well argued Ed! Changing the conversation to a whole different topic is one of the most popupar strategies they use, if they don't want to say they have to rethink about stuff.

[@silasxiii]

Except he's not right about anything. It's easy to look like you know what you're talking about when you're debating a neurotic with shitty debate skills.

[@brycefalloway]

@@silasxiii by and large he's debating university students, including the most prestigious ones like King's College London, Brown University and Harvard. I have never seen him lose a debate whoever is in front of him, and the only time he's not able to get his full arguments across is when he's invited on TV and cornered by 3 different people all of whom oppose and interrupt him. By the way, he currently teaches at Harvard, has given several TED Talks, held several speeches at various universities, produced a number of documentaries, and written two best-selling books. I think these credentials validate the idea that he knows what he's talking about. Let me flip it on you though: isn't it easy to sound righteous on KZbin when you've got nothing but a shitty attitude, can't even do one bit of research, offer zero evidence, and are pretty secure in knowing the person you're attacking will likely never challenge you back? What's your credentials in claiming he's not right about anything? Say it with your chest buddy.

[@saharacedarwood9116]

Girl!! Do not drag indigenous people into this so you feel good about your bad choices. We don't need a spokesperson, we can speak for ourselves, I am indigenous and vegan.

[@mrSam3ooo]

Privileged white Americans appropriating indigenous culture for their own argument is racism at its best. Tired of it

[@enterjoyce.1927]

I know right! So rich a non indigenous person is using indigenous culture, in which she may not even be accurate, to justify her non indigenous lifestyle 😂

[@estherpenningdevries9096]

I loved it when Ed began about the guilt story. She immediately was threatened by her own guilt. 😂😂

[@cameronmacdonald6525]

Yeah that's absolutely spot on. People such as this girl make me ashamed of being white. I'm sorry some of us are still racist assholes. I hope one day that changes while we also March towards a vegan future.

[@ezradaiquiri11311]

Malcom X warned about the dangers of white liberals and their virtue signaling. His words have never been more true today with the woke mob terrorizing free Americans, no matter what race you are. Get some Thomas Sowell in your lives.

[@TheQuietMidden]

My husband is Indigenous, he works for a First Nations government, we live on FN land in a remote area in the Yukon north of the capital of Alaska where most people hunt and fish...and we have both been vegan for over 20 years. I have to say this woman is living in a fantasy world, "romanticizing the Indian" with her confused beliefs. She has a patronizing view of Indigenous people, as though they are incapable of nuance and critical thinking, as though they all think the same. There are very few places now where Indigenous people *have* to hunt, fish, trap. No rational vegan would ever consider the members of those communities immoral for doing what they need to do to live in such places. But in many Indigenous nations and communities that still rely on hunting, trapping and fishing, members also eat things like MacDonald's and KFC, cook turkey for Christmas, ham on other holidays, eat ice cream, bacon, fish sticks, butter, cookies. Are those foods part of their culture and traditions? Are they honoring and thanking the factory-farmed cows, pigs, and chickens for their lives, too? Are they somehow incapable of choosing plant-based options solely because they are Indigenous? Even an *gasp* Indigenous person who largely relies on hunting and fishing can make plant-based choices where possible to help reduce the suffering of animals and humans and to avoid supporting the destruction of our environment. I know, I know...it's wild! Btw, there are always vegan burgers and other plant-based menu items available at my husband's First Nation's community events now. Many members are eating plant-based meals more often. There was a vegan recipe included in the annual cookbook this year even. Times are changing. I encourage this woman to get with them. ;)

[@aprilalice04]

thank you for sharing this!

[@georginamallett6850]

Thank you for sharing, this was extremely interesting to hear!

[@adaywithaj6255]

Wow this was educational. Thank you for this comment !!

[@annieo4442]

Thank you for your valuable and true point of view.

[@vince7912]

Thank you for this

[@animeinkpower9854]

He doesn't want her to feel guilty. She just quite literally feels guilty and is projecting him as the source when really she's being faced with her own morality. This whole thing was brutal to watch but never underestimate the power of a seed.

[@manish_shrivastav]

This is a man who knows the religious and cultural roots of veganism - Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism. Hats off to him!

[@Seraphina_Atley]

Exactly! ❤ veganism not a Western construct

[@natimages3]

not many buddhists are vegan. They are more vegetarians (that also includes not eating fish). The buddha was not a vegan. He ate whatever was given to him.

[@manish_shrivastav]

@@natimages3 Yes that's true too.

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

Vedanta philosophy... mostly

[@bloodbuddy7]

@@natimages3The historical philosophical roots of veganism exist in Hindu and Buddhist philosophy- in the early understanding that animal suffer and that our suffering and theirs is connected, thus we should try to reduce their suffering. The reasons that many Buddhists were not vegan historically is a) the kind of suffering that animals endure now in dairy farms is totally different to the way in which most native people have procured dairy and b) the global trade and agriculture did not allow for a person to easily have a vegan diet until recently. Now many Buddhists who are actually trying to minimize the suffering they cause do avoid unethically sourced dairy.

[@MrPsycho199]

Her: "Indigenous people." Ed: "Sure, but we're not indigenous." Her: "K, but indigenous people." I think she felt smart using the term "indigenous."

[@jandolinmarks]

and the whole animal is used. She says. The cow goes unconscious during the painless murder process.

[@ojk14325b]

I really don't like how she kept circling back to that vague "cosmocentrism" and indigenous people. Just because some had to do it out of necessity doesn't mean all indigenous people are hunters who romantically use every part of the animal and pray their soul returns to the ether and thank them and so on. What we know for a fact is animals feel pain and suffer like us and they don't want to die. Like most people we haven't really given much thought to eating animals and treating them as mere commodity and so we don't really have good rational justification.

[@richardlinares6314]

You guys are just jerks! If you'd seen the Walker Texas Ranger episode she saw you'd understand!!!

[@CourageToB]

U know it, caue u do it.

[@JD-FIES]

She also felt like she out-woked him with it

[@KaseyHester]

As someone engaged to a migrant worker with indigenous heritage, this woman is so uninformed, uncultured & disrespectful. She is comparing her privilege to something she doesn't even understand for her own benefit.

[@indiafalconer2185]

I have written 2 vegan songs and other songs on my channel. This one is called Rebels. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqCci55-jKmrja8 🌱🌍💕🐖🐄🐓🍓 It would be amazing if you could give it a listen and comment your thoughts in the comments in my KZbin videos!

[@jumpander]

Thankfully Ed's here to slowly change that.

[@sergiomerino1434]

i agree. I just wish people can just be honest. We eat meat because we like the flavor of it or we grew up that way.

[@jamesmax6303]

i dont think she was priveleged or disrespectful...just ignorant

[@KaseyHester]

@Indrid Cold wow... So you're just openly racist then? Thank you for painting a clear picture. To anyone considering veganism that sees this, these are the types of people that "call out" vegans.

[@jamescollura]

Her mind and heart were closed from the moment she sat down. She wasn't gonna budge one bit. Eds patience and compassion is incredible 💚🐷🪨

[@gabrielfioreze9746]

Her "I gotta go" can easily be translated as "I tried by all means to win the argument (and that includes the appropriation of indigenous culture) and I don't want to acknowledge you are right like an stable adult would".

[@__maxyz]

Her final look makes me so angry. She's like "you w0t" and then "I have to go" immediately turning around and showing him her ass in his face. The utter disrespect towards another human. She didn't even say goodbye or nothing. What an absolute pos.

[@silasxiii]

​@@__maxyzit's pretty funny how all of you leftists love to use mentally ill people as your mascots when they're useful to you but then as soon as they disagree you call them pieces of shit and treat them like garbage. Before you call another person at piece of shit you might want to look in the fucking mirror.

[@kalatheballa]

I am Indigenous, Rosebud Sioux and Yakama Nation and I'm also vegan. The reason I went vegan was because of my Indigenous culture, I was taught to treat animals with respect. When I was 5 years old my uncle took us hunting, he shot an Elk, we found it and it was bleeding out. He pulled out some tobacco and said a prayer for it, he thanked it for all the resources it would supply our family with. He hushed it to sleep and stabbed it, killing off the elk. As I got older I realized the way I eat had no tie to the animals, it had NO RESPECT for the animals. I could just go to the store and get as much meat and dairy as I wanted without paying my respects to the animal. So, me going vegan was directly tied to my relation with Indigenous culture. Edit: This is when I grew up on the reservation and with the resources I had, this was out of necessity. Then as I got older and moved away to attend University is when I realized my disconnect.

[@billyguyjoe1858]

i always say this. veganism is very aligned with indigenous culture values yet so many people try to use those same values against veganism to excuse their actions which just boggles my mind.

[@adrianakolev4940]

Thank you for sharing this! I have seen this excuse about “indigenous people honored animals when they hunted them” in the past, as a way to justify eating meat now. I’ve always understood the case to be that some indigenous cultures truly respected the animals. They did hunt them because they had no other choice at the time. But that with new availability to nutritious plant foods- those same indigenous values would mean we stop hunting. It was never about killing the animals, it was always about causing the least harm and doing the best to show care.

[@kurleykath.]

@@adrianakolev4940 ⭐️⭐️

[@thegratefulsteve]

The land devastation caused by the animal agriculture industry alone should be enough to lead most indigenous individuals who have access to, to be vegan.

[@KP-us5pq]

This makes perfect sense thanks for sharing!

[@jelanidacostabest8195]

She’s grasping at so many straws that she can practically clean the ocean.

[@octo.lina69]

😂😂😂 Entertaining yet painful

[@madmonksmekshop4451]

@@octo.lina69 Well played.

[@Daniel-oj7bx]

you have spoken !!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NikhitaPrabhudesai]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@emmainkeri7497]

i love this comement 😂😂

[@financemarin]

Her: "..I'm neurotic and sensitive about my nutrients..." Also her: hey, that's my dr. Pepper.

[@KTCatLady]

Well it is DOCTOR Pepper…..

[@honey5269]

@@KTCatLady

[@honey5269]

Funny point. 🤣

[@Dayshine.12]

OH LORD THE PATIENCE THIS MAN HAS....I would lose my mind

[@sufficientmagister9061]

You said almost the same exact thing on another video (Ed's video where he is in Texas). You can praise someone while having a somewhat differently worded comment.

[@silasxiii]

Don't worry, it seems like your mind was lost a long time ago.

[@TV-ob1if]

You’d probably lose your mind because it’s running on toxic plants

[@sm3dc]

Ed: is it compassionate to unnecessarily kill someone else? her: someone else? no, it's an animal... also her: rocks have souls.

[@RyanGBanister]

Carnists grasp at any rationalization to continue what they do, no matter how obviously nonsensical. 🤕

[@milkyslug]

@@RyanGBanister lmfao 🤣 truth

[@tararomanow3055]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tremix2963]

😆😆😆😐😐😐🍔

[@JennyMackie]

🤣 right!!!!

[@avenginglettuce]

Honestly, I have more respect for people who just say, "I lke the taste of steak" than people who cartwheel through these absurd hoops to try and gain the moral highground.

[@somedude172]

this. i have one friend who i can talk to about veganism, and she isnt vegan (idk any vegans irl). but she never tries to justify it and she usually agrees with me after asking clarifying questions/ looking at proof. her excuse is "i just dont care"... hearing that makes me sick to my stomach but hey, at least its honest. im so tired of the types that constantly feel the need to validate themselves using crazy ass reasoning like this. if you feel that guilty just go vegan and save us all the trouble.

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

no one likes the taste of steak otherwise they wouldn't have to spice it

[@TheVoiceOfTimPaige]

I have said this so many times. People who just admit that they care more about the taste pleasure than they do about the lives of those animals... or they believe animals aren't worthy of being treated with respect because they're not humans. Those people... though I think it's sad, at least it's honest.

[@weston.weston]

@Avenging Lettuce: You are absolutely, right! She seems to have a lot of unrelated stuff she's dealing with that makes makes her seem wild, crazy and hard to listen to.

[@maiadraconica6488]

@@blue_sky_bright_sun7599 to be fair we usualy use some seasoning on vegan food as well unless its like premade. Especialy tofu for me, i cant stand the flavour of that stuff

[@UlkNudel]

This girl actually proposes the idea that treating animals with respect means killing them. I am just astounded by the mind-acrobatics she's doing.

[@lindanap3246]

This is one of the mostcembarrasing interviews ever. I envy Ed's patience. My sarcasm level was rising too high, very quick even I wasn't even there on spot! Respect Ed!

[@autisticsapphic8991]

“you’re trying to make me feel guilty” honey, that’s called your conscience

[@jessereimer302]

word

[@NotTodaySatan557]

facts

[@danielstill5625]

Lol exactly

[@archmx]

BARS (facts I mean hehe)

[@antarath517]

@@dvda9725 >"Rainbow flag in profile pic Opinion discarded" Opinion discarded

[@AnthonyTizzleMyNizzle]

She is absolutley appropriating indigenous culture to justify her own meat consumption. Once again, no solid arguments against Veganism were present. Well done as always Ed 👏🏽

[@heloisemoise8179]

The justification of meat eating is unnecessary. Just as veganism is. Unnecessary. Just as your boy Edward is. Unnecessary.

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 Lol are you the girl from the video?

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 hahaha you actually are, hope you learned something

[@danielk3919]

@@heloisemoise8179 idk you seem pretty riled up about Ed though.

[@cheezheadz3928]

@@heloisemoise8179 So you're here why? Stalking your boy?

[@plasmaconduit]

you dont even have to be a vegan to watch this and feel yourself entering fight or flight from her tone and energy

[@jss4837]

this is exactly the impression i got as well

[@abcdfg4281]

I'm indigenous and vegan, I can still eat traditional foods that we make even though sometimes I adjust them but I am not losing out on anything by not harming animals. Especially if it is not your culture, don't use it to justify your bad decisions.

[@silasxiii]

If you get your vegetables from the supermarket, trust me, you're doing a lot more harm to animals than you realize. Just because you're ignorant, it doesn't make you a moral person. Look up how many animals are killed while killing a field to grow your vegetables, it'll probably make you sick to your stomach. But then you'll finally be able to pull your head out of your ass and stop listening to assholes like these.

[@tamarrosenberg-walker7599]

Veganism is white ? I am a black woman raised by vegan parents. I have never put dairy or meat in my mouth. She has no solid argument. She was struggling. Thank you for this very interesting interview. 💚🌱

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

According to her, you are a mythical being 😂

[@malikqujaakitsoq4941]

I think it's also a part of Indian culture? At least to some extent?

[@Paul2377]

I kind of get where she was coming from. While, of course, there are a lot of POC vegans, more vegans are white and middle class. In England at least (where I'm from). I mean, look at the milk pour events today. They were in Harrod's, Fortnum and Mason, M&S Food and Waitrose. All firmly middle class.

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

@@Paul2377 errrrr I'm in England and heelllllll no! Vegans in England are diverse racially, just like the rest of society. Maybe you're only looking at vegans who protest (spolier: not most vegans). Most people who are plant-based are not out of choice, which is good for their health (so long as they have enough to eat full stop), but a sad sign of the fiscal times in the UK.

[@Paul2377]

@@welcomeback2mychannel As Queen Whitney Houston once said: I wanna see receipts!

[@bozinoski]

Painful to watch. Ed your patience is out of this world, you inspire me.

[@MrDusuke]

This it not patience. I have patience and it would certainly end there. We need a new word for that skill that Ed possess.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Definitely painful to watch

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

@@MrDusuke I have a phrase to describe Edward Gaunt: Propagandist muppet. You've got to be within the V cult not to see how weak are his (atheistic) arguments.

[@cahns5025]

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme glad someone voices the other side of the conversation

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

@@cahns5025 The ridiculous, V narrative needs opposing. I'd happily talk to any of the V influencers!

[@Pixiellie]

I swear this girl won't be satisfied until an indigenous tribe flies over to America to thank her personally for being the voice they never asked for. :')

[@willakana3369]

Holy fucking shit. Ed you are a legend. With legendary patience, presence of mind, and light. We are so incredibly lucky to have you.

[@BAN0N]

She wasn’t there for a debate, she was just there to talk around circles.

[@laurab3876]

Agree, she had no intention of having a conversation. She thought she would crash him with her ridiculous argument about indigenous people. She is so hyper and annoying how she almost scream, I am having a hard time staying watching!

[@adorable3817]

Yes! Maybe she thought it was an audition?

[@adorable3817]

Huh?! She really is all over the place 🙈

[@heloisemoise8179]

The justification of meat eating is unnecessary. Just as veganism is. Unnecessary. Just as your boy Edward is. Unnecessary.

[@meateaterscringe9863]

@@heloisemoise8179 "The justification of sexual abuse is unnecessary. Lets do whatever we want to"

[@alicesmith8134]

"What about indigenous people" "Yeah they can't be vegan if they hunt for necessity and that's okay, what about you?" "indigenous people tho"

[@taramoon9307]

I feel like a lot of these people infantilise tribes people and think they can't be held to any moral standards.

[@alejandramalo2948]

Can't we even say that it is actually quite vegan of them to hunt out of necessity?

[@bananabrain2996]

@@alejandramalo2948 as a vegan I've always thought that

[@u-n-isurvive3030]

The people that slaughter meat for you suffer a lot. I remember a guy that worked in a slaughterhouse saying that he had nightmares all the time where he would be running in a pool of blood. You can't violently kill sentient animals day in and day out without having mental scars unless you're a sociopath. A lot of these slaughterhouse guys are drinking heavily just to get through the day. If you continue to eat meat, just remember that someone else is developing PTSD and sacrificing their lifelong mental health in a slaughterhouse in order to get that meat to you.

[@kamaliancirranoush1916]

Yes. Thank you!

[@air-bendingnomad6478]

This was excruciating to watch. I feel sorry for the people who are obligated to interact with this woman on a daily basis.

[@moonstar9559]

I hate it when people use religious beliefs to justify atrocities. People have been doing it for millennia. Also I thought she said rocks, trees, humans, and animals were all equal? Why did she get hung up on an animal being called someone? Seems to me she is a walking definition of cognitive dissonance.

[@caliskaterboy626]

Good point! Very inconsistent beliefs. We see this often with anti-vegan arguments.

[@hellentavora2046]

Your comment made me remember thatb Steven Weinberg once famously said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

[@kace9075]

Exactly my point! She was so concerned about a rock yet made sure to differentiate between humans and animals. Tbh she was unable to understand anything outside of her own view.

[@seanogorman3617]

And if we’re all equal, why are we not treating all as equal?

[@taramoon9307]

She got brainwashed by the liberal sjws who fetishize "indigenous" tribes

[@TM-sj1jg]

"I'm a picky eater" - that was the honest response right there. The rest of it was just her trying to rationalize her actions through a social justice framework.

[@petter3995]

Being a picky eater still doesn’t justify killing animals unnecessarily.

[@smudge8882]

@@petter3995 It can be a barrier. Speaking as an autistic person. New things can cause me to get sensory overload. There is a way to steadily introduce new foods/tastes/textures in a way that reduces the sensory overload I get, but it's never 100%. I am vegan, but the first month I was vegan was very very difficult for me and I wish there was more focus on finding ways to make the transition easier for people like me. And just an FYI, pretty much all the substitutes actually were way worse than the vegetables, in regards to my sensory overload. Eating the substitutes just had an opposite effect of making me hyper-aware of the differences between the substitute and the real thing

[@ojk14325b]

@@smudge8882 I'll be honest with few exceptions i prefer whole plant foods over foods that are trying to be like meat. I can get some people's appreciation for them, many taste good, many of them are popular, but with few exceptions I can live without them and not feel like I'm missing anything. You raise a good point that it becomes hyper-aware, reminds me of the uncanny valley phenomenon with certain things for me. The Beyond brand is pretty good in my opinion because it doesn't hit that. For me seitan is pretty guilty of that uncanny valley effect. I want to eat it because of its high protein content but a lot of it just has this weirdly meaty texture that isn't really appetizing. Beans or tofu for protein for me.

[@CrownedSerpentMedia]

Her "I hate vegetables" reason turned into an "what about these isolated people that have nothing to do with me???" argument 😂

[@DenKulesteSomFins]

@@smudge8882 barriers are seldom justifications. Autism does not excuse animal abuse, and I wish people on the spectrum would stop saying this. I am poor, autistic, gluten intolerant and vegan. It's about mindset. If the suffering of innocent animals doesn't make you uncomfortable eating them, then "picky" doesn't mean anything

[@vanosaur]

I do not recall ever in my life meeting anyone who has as much patience, clarity of thought and sense of moral direction as Ed. Kudos!

[@lfurry808]

this poor girl…. I would have asked her to stand up and walk away. She really needed to stop talking. Ed, you are so patient and great at handling these conversations.

[@jeffmoya766]

I feel like this is the epitome of cognitive dissonance. She’s trying sooooooo hard to justify unnecessarily murdering animals

[@justicericketts2912]

Bro that’s all I was thinking the entire video. She is struggling very hard with it. She needed this bad

[@SeeNickView]

Seems to me she's outsourcing her justifications and reasons to further insulate her from critique. Incorporate minority beliefs about animals from the more niche parts of society, which interlocutors probably don't have much knowledge of, to mask reasons and disarm counterarguments from others.

[@caliskaterboy626]

I agree!

[@bujkaizack]

Ya can’t “murder” an animal, it’s more like harvesting 😘

[@sizskie]

@@bujkaizack u out here literally plagiarising lines straight out of mein Kampf

[@drudub99]

Defensive aggression and ignorance. Difficult to watch. Well done as always Ed.

[@TheWorldTeacher]

Except for the fact that Ed doesn't seem to understand the definition of "VEGAN" ( 0:43 ) and his metaethics is non-existent.

[@chlorophyllphile]

Confidently incorrect

[@teliph3U]

What would expect from crazy feminists? dogmatism and ignorance but not logic and compassion.

[@indiafalconer2185]

I have written 2 vegan songs kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcYoSvfq5sn7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/hISql4Saj7CXlbM Time to Change and Rebels and other songs on my channel. 🌱🌍💕🐖🐄🐓🍓 It would be amazing if you could give them a listen and comment your thoughts in the comments in my KZbin videos!

[@t0b3yyy16]

@@TheWorldTeacher Care to elaborate?

[@harikristi]

Ugh I couldn't even watch more than 3 minutes of this---I feel so much second-hand embarrassment for her, she's making such a fool of herself. Ed has the patience of a saint.

[@Rescue127]

From a psychology standpoint this young lady has so much anger in her heart. She's obviously been hurt and she's taking it out on the animals. Her logic does not make any sense because she has options that some people may not have. She's what you call a book of excuses.

[@tinaferr]

Idk about that. Kind of invasive. For most ppl they just like the taste of meat and it's part of their lives. Not malicious, just indifferent. I don't think meat eaters are all sociopaths who like hurting animals. If anything the cognitive dissonance required to keep eating meat when you do care about animals/the environment is stressful but that comes from liking animals. I say this as someone who really enjoys the taste of meat and am not ashamed to admit that now that I eat vegan (veggan from backyard hens to be exact). Ppl who eat animal products are probably just selfish, not evil. I think it's important to realize this and not demonize meat eaters if you want to convert them

[@Rescue127]

@@tinaferr I am not here to convert anyone. I am here to tell the truth and to let people know that you can't put taste buds over a life. This is not just somebody picking out an outfit and somebody liking blue or somebody liking pink this is an actual living sentient being. And it is evil if you know that Injustice is being done and you don't care. You can't sugarcoat this. We all started in the same boat when we were born but it doesn't mean that we have to stay in the boat. I chose to leave it and to move to a higher ground because it's the right thing to do. Walking by the flesh and not walking by the spirit is why the world is in chaos that it is today. I'm not saying that meat eaters are evil people but what I am saying is if you know that somebody's life is being tortured for your taste buds would you not at least consider another option for eating food when it is readily available? We are not living in times where you have no choices. You can't say that you love animals if you are allowing them to be tortured. Please watch Dominion or cowspiracy documentaries and then you may have an idea of why the vegan movement started.

[@a.nonynous6626]

This girl literally just convinced me to go vegan lol

[@deadraccoon5210]

They are an adult though. Not a "girl".

[@bi.fruitsalad]

She made me wanna stay vegan forever 🤣🤣

[@CourageToB]

@@bi.fruitsalad what really makes you wanna be a vegan is the lack of balls.

[@CourageToB]

oooh, using whiteness of others as excuse for your nonsense ideology

[@Bhodisatvas]

She thought she was so smart with her social studies indoctrination but when faced with real world questions she showed how much she was in a bubble and how little she actually knew. Bet she will go cry about being bullied and oppressed while wondering why she blew $100,000 on a useless education.

[@AThingThatsWild]

Not even a vegan, but this dude is litterally destroying these people with solid argumentation and FACTS. I might become a vegan after just watching this dude.

[@RyanGBanister]

I hope you do! It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. (Vegan for 7 years)

[@bellablack5756]

Same here, good luck MegaMan (vegan 5 years)

[@RyanGBanister]

@Jaguar Zew Flow No

[@AThingThatsWild]

@Jaguar Zew Flow acctually (I work in medicin) vegans tend to Iive longer and have fewer chronic diseases...

[@lbeschrich]

@@RyanGBanister me too! 2015 I made the switch

[@Raziel433]

This debate was… breathtaking in its pageantry. She ‘lost’ the debate the minute she started talking about white colonialism, as if the early colonialist and settlers in the western world were vegan or that the concept originated out of western thinking. Ed nailed at the end of the debate. The fact she can’t distinguish the difference between killing animals out of necessity vs out of convenience says a lot about how we view animals more generally and how far removed we are from the entire process. Fantastic work, as always Ed!

[@GuitarLoverX]

That cosmocentric worldview sure sounds like a great excuse for not caring about animals.

[@gvngbvngiggy]

If one understood it properly i think it would actually make you care more. I sort of agree with that view and the way she uses it as an excuse is a bit pathetic.

[@alicesmith8134]

"I'm trying to follow the cosmocentric view" Girl you buy pre-packaged meat from artificially bred animals that live in captivity 😐

[@karicreates7668]

anyone who continues to stuff themselves with dead animals needs our compassion, our help..like Ed

[@adrianchavez5102]

I am of Native American heritege (just like many Mexicans are) and I can assure you that being vegan is compatible with our culture. Corn, beans, tomatoes, avocados, cacao, chillies, squash, and sweet potatoes are a few plants that our Mesoamerican ancestors cultivated in Anahuac (North America). Animal agriculture didn't exist in the Americas before the European invasion. Our ancestors hunted out of necessity, but when there is no necessity, there is no justification. A very common philosophy across the Native Americans cultures is the reverence of nature and living beings. I think that some of our ancestors had a distinction between plants and animals based on language. For example, in the Nahuatl language, animate subjects can be pluralized like "humans" and "non-human animals". But inanimate objects are not pluralized, which includes "plants".

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Wait, I'm confused. You're saying that Native American ancestors killed animals for food out of necessity, yet grew corn, beans, tomatoes, avocados, cacao, chillies, squash and sweet potatoes? So how do you explain the "necessity" part if they had all those crops to eat? The hunting for survival excuse is suspect and I believe it comes straight from hunters twisting history.

[@AyeGonZ]

Thank you for sharing this. Respected.

[@photocannon4462]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 well I’m in apush and at the very least, it seemed to be sustainable because some groups of native Americans for instance, followed the buffalo herds and their populations would be fine. Then with westward expansion, the us army would kill the buffalo only for their skin and also in an effort to ruin the way of life of the native Americans. For instance I think something like 3 million buffalo were killed in 1872-73 alone simply because they sought to destroy the native Americans. That’s pretty messed up if you ask me.

[@Vrin137]

Absolutely! I love Mexican food/culture and find it very easy to eat plant-based dishes that are healthy and nutritional as well as super tasty. Ancient history, as well as archeology, prove plant-based diet was always a larger part of native people's culture.

[@bekind664]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Well there were mannnyy different tribes in Mesoamérica for example there were nomadic hunter gatherers in the northern region which is dessert, and in the tropical/jungle region in the south (where the Aztecs and Mayas lived) there were civilizations where agriculture was practiced. In the arid regions, hunting was out of necessity and in the jungle regions, eating animals was on special occasions and usually for higher ups.

[@mackhomie6]

Something tells me Ed wasn't swayed by the cosmocentric worldview.

[@aaronwarren9467]

I've always been a meat eater and I'm struggling to find reasons why after watching this

[@jamesn3122]

didn't start reducing meat consumption until I was 21 or so, took 5 years to go pescatarian->vegetarian->vegan-> mostly vegan( my wife is not vegan and I don't like to throw away food so it is what it is). I think the push to have people just jump right into being Vegan is a bit harmful, nutrition is a balancing act and take time to adjust imo, but a full transition is totally doable over the course of a month or two if you know what foods to eat and what supplements to add in.

[@silasxiii]

​@@jamesn3122the fact that you have to add supplements should show you that your food is not nutritious.

[@abhayagarwal5097]

​@@silasxiiieveryone takes supplements or should take it. Far better than taking cholestrol ,fat ,hormones ,pus , carncinogenic compounds.. Also anyone who isn't psychopath would take supplement over taking someone's life.

[@nidhi7041]

@@silasxiii ur beef is pounded with supplements before it enters your mouth hole

[@CaroAbebe]

@@silasxiii Many omnivores have nutritional deficiencies. Does this prove that omnivore diet’s aren’t nutritious?

[@ju_aych39]

One thing indigenous people just love is an angry white girl educating us about our one monolith native culture.

[@smiller2114]

Right!!!????

[@chiyerano]

Lol

[@jacobsinger97]

Shes annoying af

[@lography6917]

How to appropriate indigenous and Muslim culture when you know nothing about it 101

[@mellowboogie]

It's such a shame she couldn't just take it on the chin and end the conversation in a mature way. Instead she stormed off like a child. I felt for her because the genius that is ED is not an easy person to argue against and she tried her best. But in the end, her arguments fell flat. If I had to hear her say the word 'indigenous' one more time I was gonna scream. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ZoFerguson]

Pointing out appropriating indigenous culture to justify her actions was where I got happy. I kept waiting for you to say that somehow. I wish there was a way to teach without meat eaters getting defensive, but that judgement they feel overwhelming them. She feels guilt, but you never told her to feel guilt. Human emotions are a struggle to educate around.

[@ivanhagstrom5601]

"Yes, I agree. Also, I didn't listen. Now, let me repeat my point." This was her basically the entire conversation...

[@EternalJourneys]

Thats why I tapped out after 2 mins lol

[@AFTERPUPPET]

@@EternalJourneys you didn’t miss much. It was all total crap.

[@bamhamer]

Lol. Yes

[@JuliaNineteenEighty-Four]

"Why aren't you vegan?" "Because I am a white girl living in Dallas, but the inuit living in the frozen lands of Alaska can't be vegan!!!!!!" 😡😡😡 Great answer. More creative than usual, at least. The best part was when she said the rock has a soul, at that point I was actually surprised that the "plants feel pain too" argument didn't come up. Besides, I've never seen someone so angry for no reason as opposed to Ed's usual calm and politeness.

[@adamwood87]

it's a standard false dichotomy. for most carnists, they'd use an appeal to nature/history, but since she's an SJW, she went the offended-on-someone-else's-behalf route.

[@smilloww2095]

Your patience is absolutely mindblowing.

[@MichaelThomas-ll1hw]

She’s so excited to apply concepts that she just learned in anthropology this year … she so wanted you to say “no, Inuit people should eat morning star veggie burgers”, and that wasn’t your argument at all lol. I’m not vegan but I completely understand your argument and point of view

[@Blurggg]

She's going to give herself a panic attack. Breathe girl, breathe.

[@seitan6664]

She almost gave me panic attack just by watching her..

[@thorw4ld]

she was nervous, cant blame someone for being nervous. Problem was, she didnt come to debate openly about a topic, she came to try and win an argument

[@hadriankirkwood2900]

@@thorw4ld fatal mistake. Unfortunately everything has to be about winning these days so even casual conversations devolve into arguments after a awhile. Hate to see it

[@thorw4ld]

@@hadriankirkwood2900 Yeah true, we can see that especially well these days. Arguments are more and more driven by emotion instead of logic. Or maybe those people are just getting louder, i dont know ;)

[@sunnybunny7053]

@@thorw4ld true. The purpose of a debate isn’t to “win” against the other person. They’ll typically already be convinced in their belief. Debates are meant to convince the crowd to your side.

[@mrSam3ooo]

So much ego in this person. She knows she's wrong but she's clinging on so hard. Painful to watch, hope I never ever meet someone like that. The "what I engourage you to do" at the end was so toxic. And when Ed told her she's appropriating indigenous culture at the end she 100% knew he's right

[@megankay7]

yeah its so cringy and painful to watch this girl

[@alimbo9436]

Ed definitely triggered her with that zinger

[@jakeicloud]

She defiantly thinks she won this argument lol

[@eveastardust3747]

I'm glad she was so ego, it's good she put her ignorance out in the world because, so many people are confused by theses same arguments.

[@skully-999]

Maybe though she will think about this discussion later, calmly, and research more, maybe even reconsider her views. Sometimes in a discussion we try to hold our ground even if we feel it shaking. But after some time, some honest thoughts later maybe she will consider that he might have had a point. She seemed very emotional to me and it felt like she had to take lots of painful hits to her whole identity. I hope she will take something good out of this.

[@RawandCookedVegan]

What's sad is that this ill informed approach to being vegan is very common. I like Ed's purpose here and the way he handles the discussion bringing it back to facts and reality. At least she took the time to discuss the matter. Most meat eaters dismiss the topic entirely without giving it a second thought.

[@RatsPicklesandMusic]

The amount of times that the phrase "you can kill them..." And she doesn't even Feel that phrase as she continues with whatever justification is really sad... We should all be stopping at the word "kill".

[@chloek.9374]

“Is it compassionate to kill someone else” “Someone else? No, it’s just an animal” Literally 2 minutes before she was talking about the theory of how every creature on earth is equal..

[@Nadjasmin13]

she is sleeping.

[@manifestingsanctuary]

fake woke

[@ajagoff]

Meanwhile, a moose somewhere is making a conscious decision to either hide from a hunter or willingly give itself as food based on the worthiness of the hunter.

[@datenfritz9860]

Also her 30 sec later: "I myself try to follow the cosmocentric worldview." Yeah ... I am pretty sure calling non-human animals "something" is not part of it.

[@lastlime3792]

We are all animals🧦. Humans have lived and our bodies are designed to utilize meat, not vegetable. Ed has been a vegan for about a month🙄 doesn’t understand biology.

[@AbbyAndrew]

I feel like she's just shouting things that she saw on anti-vegan twitter but has no idea what the heck she's actually saying

[@Nice-sm5hr]

Spot on

[@blueberryoatmeal4009]

Yup.

[@DLEE-vl8zp]

“Halal is the best way. But I have no idea what it is”

[@mittenstheninja626]

@@DLEE-vl8zp you could see the exact moment cognitive dissonance hit after he said halal meant slitting a conscious animals throat, but damn if she didn’t power through like a champ

[@zaboomafooba]

@@DLEE-vl8zp it truly sounds like how people will parrot stuff from fox news without understanding what they're saying.

[@joshualawrence3202]

If being in denial was a person 😭😂 she honestly thought she’d use her degree in a debate 💀

[@Pattythomas5]

Wow...Ed good job, you have a LOT of patience. I hope she looks back on this when she grows up.

[@MattCooperKay]

I'm genuinely embarrassed for this girl.

[@exxtraterestial]

Also… I don’t wanna be ignorant but is it trendy to not shave your armpits?

[@lilahtawny3002]

@@exxtraterestial it’s a personal choice to not shave your armpits

[@Quincycle]

@@exxtraterestial 🤢

[@absolutezeromusicofficial]

@@lilahtawny3002 but how do you morally justify not shaving your armpits?

[@jess1387]

I can’t imagine how offended indigenous people must feel watching this. The way she is using their culture and practices to justify her eating meat is quite extraordinary. Ed made it clear so many times that he does not preach to indigenous folk for obvious reason, but she just will fully ignored that.

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

And her generalising of indigenous cultures as if there aren't thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of different tribes all with unique histories and traditions. In some ways, I miss the days of blatant racism. At least you knew who the racists were back then, nowadays you have to listen to some privileged white person, who secretly thinks all indigenous folk are simpletons and/or noble savages, bang on about racism as if they know the first thing about it. Most of these people don't give a fiddler's fart about indigenous people or animals, and I wish they had the courage to admit that. Sure beats spending time admonishing people who are literally just trying to make the world a better place.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@Tofu_va_Bien Oh, you can still tell who the blatant racists are. They're the ones who use the term "privileged white person." Do you also think all white people are privileged? The girl in the video is just stupid and narcissistic, not "privileged because she's white."

[@manuba_]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Did you just imply the other comment was being racist against white people...? Because they said "privileged white person"...? Seriously? saying this as a white person btw, racism against white people does NOT exist

[@TXRhody]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 She goes to a good university. She specifically said she chooses to buy more expensive meat just because she chooses to follow cosmocentricism. If that isn't privilege, I don't know what is. The part about her being white is to point out that she is NOT indigenous. Facts are facts. She's white and she's privileged relative to someone who has to hunt animals just to survive. It is despicable that she's appropriating indigenous culture to use as a shield to excuse her selfish behavior. There is nothing respectful about that.

[@k.c7655]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 I honestly think the person you replied to used 'privileged white person' in a facetious way, to mock the people who do use such phrases. I think you're both on the same side here, and you're misunderstanding his point.

[@smadaf]

"the least pain as possible". The least pain possible from being slaughtered would be not to be slaughtered at all.

[@smadaf]

Also, "the least pain possible" or "as little pain as possible", but not "the least pain *_as_* possible".

[@Carrier.Artist]

Thank you Earthlin Ed. The amount of patience you had was crazy! I would've freaked out with this lady (I assume).

[@danp2687]

She talks so confidently for someone who knows nothing.

[@ItsLivChev]

Ignorant people often do

[@blueskyalldayeveryday]

That’s how it usually is, unfortunately.

[@tomaskildisius]

Doesn't sound confident to me. She's shouting the whole time

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

I would say "loudly" and "defensively", not "confidently"

[@thegreenvalleybrittany8548]

That, I believe, is called the Dunin Krueger effect 😉 (may possibly have spelt it wrong though!)

[@mattsavory49]

Wow I've heard some weak arguments against veganism but this woman really takes the crown of them all 😅

[@ZwrotPL]

Moose willingly give themselves up to hunters. You didn't already know that?

[@gardenofeels6872]

@@ZwrotPL She was describing the beliefs of certain "indigenous" people. Many tribal people believe animals willingly give themselves up for humans to eat, and so they thank them for doing so. If you have a problem with what she said, take it up with the Comanches and the Cherokee.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

@@gardenofeels6872 idc what crap indigenous people believe, if she believes it she takes full intellectual responsibility for it, if she doesn't believe it then its irrelevant.

[@ZwrotPL]

@@gardenofeels6872 How can you possibly believe that an animal who is fleeing from you willingly gives itself up? And why would you repeat that belief as a talking point?

[@gardenofeels6872]

@@ZwrotPL What the hell are you talking about? I never said I believed any such thing, and I certainly didn't repeat it as a talking point. I'm a zoologist, so the chances of me believing animals purposely give themselves up is pretty small. I was merely reporting what somewhat else said and why they said it. Ease up on the booze would be my advice.

[@giualexlucchetti9769]

I really admire your patience Ed. I don't understand why people sit down to debate just for the sake of proving the other person wrong instead of being able to do that while also being open to admit their mistakes or to just learn from other perspectives. I respect her for putting herself in this position, however, I do think that she came up with many different arguments just for the sake of being right.

[@voice2skull.]

Did she just say that after the tribe chased the animal off the cliff it didn't feel any harm/pain? BOY, SHE IS SPECIAL.

[@ebowes22]

She refers to a cosmocentric world view in which everything and everyone is equal when it supports her argument, but then argues that animals are inferior to humans when Ed calls them ‘someone’…

[@TXRhody]

Good catch. Ed also didn't get to point out that eating animals kills more "souls" because of the food the animals eat (and the rocks they may step on). The idea of an educated person CHOOSING to believe that rocks have souls baffles me.

[@smudge8882]

@@TXRhody She doesn't believe it. She's just using Indigenous beliefs as an excuse despite not being Indigenous nor having their belief system.

[@15jorada]

Ironically, that world view is what made me vegan. Native beliefs were about the persoanl sacrifice of the anumal for the benefit of the tribe. They used to personally thank the buffalo for their sacrifice. When I was a child, I couldn't look at the animal and thank them for their sacrifice, so I decided to become a vegetarian. Eventually after that I decided I wasn't vegetarian enough and became a vegan. Very few people in the modern world actually have that connection that they were hunting for that purpose and that necessity. And even if they did, most people don't need to.

[@madzmadeit]

I caught that as well

[@ojk14325b]

@@15jorada the sad thing is many forget these actions are done out of NECESSITY. Even then it's overemphasized to a point where many indigenous cultures are lumped together as strictly hunters. It ignores the agricultural prowess of many of the cultures in the Americas including the ancient Maya, Aztec cultures and the Inca to the south and really plays into the tired old "noble savage" tropes. A lot of the emphasis on eating animals and especially animal agriculture are a colonial import.

[@goodpol5022]

“Veganism is a white colonial trend!” Indians: *holy shit we’re white?!”*

[@mandiraexotic]

😂😂😂

[@alexandrac9536]

actually Indians from India are caucasian-aryan no matter the color of skin. color does not determine ethnicity.

[@goodpol5022]

@@alexandrac9536 I hate to be that guy but… R/WOOOOOOOOOOSH!

[@tausifpatel7902]

Indians are not vegans but vegetarian and only 20 to 39% of the population. Rest are still meat eaters. Even Gandhi didn't agree with all plant based diet.

[@goodpol5022]

@@tausifpatel7902 Veganism still originated in ancient India and 40% is still an 8 times higher percentage of vegetarians than the UK

[@JimiHL]

Ed, you are awesome. Your patience and calmness is inspiring.

[@danielhearne-potton7710]

Ed with the MIC DROP sign off at the end. I’ve never been so pumped by someone’s final words at a debate than I was just then. Ed executed that to PERFECTION (watch from 22:15)

[@sparky9839]

She’s embarrassing herself. Absolutely cringeworthy listening to her. Ed, your patience is inspiring. 🙏🏻

[@Raven-fx5qm]

big time

[@NowhereMan7]

She didsnt have her note remember. Look up cosmocentric worldview and you'll see she was right all along lol

[@r.3559]

I think she’s just trying to understand and asking questions.

[@sparky9839]

@@r.3559 I wish that was true, but she seems disingenuous. She’s just virtue signalling to cover up her own habits and is more interested in being right than learning. ✌🏻

[@CourageToB]

the slime level here equals the cringe level.

[@lewy_g_official]

"The moose will gladly give themselves to the hunter." That genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[@MadisonPaige]

😂 that was the moment for me. I was like gurl what?😂😂😂

[@saszablaze1]

i know. no one believes that. no one

[@LeporidaeanDream]

It's not the norm BY FAR of course, but yes there are instances where wildlife walks up to starving persons [mostly natives] and accept to be slaughtered. The chance of that happening when someone is on the verge of dying is pretty minimal, but I guess statistics works in mysterious ways because some sick animals may do this if you want a scientific explanation... If you haven't investigated a topic you should be more careful of judging harshly. I however do not defend actions that take life and cause pain for the sake of eating when there are other options. Then again plants go into panic when someone cuts them, it's scientifically proved. I guess we'll find a way working around that, like animals too can be killed without fear and pain for those who feel that need - not practiced by any meat supplier today. Eating animals like people do today is of course not sustainable so things must change. Food is quite an intricate decision, but more people are awakening to compassion. Thank you for your kindness towards animalian life.

[@BenjoCovers]

@@LeporidaeanDream It sounds like a nice story but there is actually no documented case of this ever happening and it probably didnt. Stories of animals offering themselves up to humans in need can be found in various myths, legends, and religious texts, but these are generally considered to be allegorical or symbolic rather than literal accounts.

[@soundstormdubai]

If you won’t eat often , might work 😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@NotTodaySatan557]

Her logic and speech patterns challenge my patience

[@fromfranceswithlove8084]

You have such a gift for explaining this, please continue!

[@Batooony]

It always annoys me to hear "you want to help animals first, then humans". It's completely wrong... Animals don't need your help or my help, they just need humans like you, to stop thinking that it is some kind of charity not to murder them. Nobody is expecting you to help animals, just stop being their worst fkn nightmare.

[@rachellaine4904]

I agree!

[@jonjonwp]

Good one, I'll remember that to use. Thanks.

[@adamwood87]

she's making a tu-quoque fallacy, and Ed humanely slaughters it. the root of her stance is pure speciesism - just like for all carnists - the irony, in her case, is that she is an SJW with the same mindset about non-human animals that a slave owner had about their slaves.

[@sunnybunny7053]

That’s a really good point I hadn’t thought about it like that. They wouldn’t need help if WE weren’t hurting them in the first place

[@krisp0114]

That's brilliant, well said.

[@dustinthegael]

It’s pretty disturbing how far some people will go to justify killing animals just for the taste but pretend it’s for other reasons

[@adamwood87]

yup. her real reason is at 16:20 - did you catch it? "'someone else?' ...it's an animal." pure speciesism; all that mental gymnastics for nothing.

[@bujkaizack]

Nope, no other reasons. Animals good as shit! Plus- Plants grow from dirt Dumb shit eats the plants Mean shit eats the dumb shit

[@bujkaizack]

@@adamwood87 speciesism? Lmgdao, ya goddamn right there’s prejudice, eating people is immoral. Animals are good as shit tho

[@marcela9216]

@@bujkaizack I love how you're accidentally giving another perfect example of speciesism lol

[@oluwaliblue8684]

@@marcela9216 I'm fairly certain these kinds of comments are from farmers that commissioned the tech sector to make anti-vegan spam bots. Their responses are so braindead and silly

[@evansmith2175]

love your videos and listening to you speak. you are so well spoken

[@JunkJordan]

Way to DESTROY her, Ed. I'm just blown away at your ability to win every single debate you're in.

[@TheVeganVampire]

If you're willing to use a marginalised group (Indigenous people) to try and justify killing and exploiting members of another marginalised group (non-human animals), I question whether you take morality seriously.

[@hiking1388]

And don't forget: you can kill an animal humanely, but don't you dare throw some rocks ;)

[@veganvanguard8273]

She doesn't. She thinks an ancient religion that says "oh the moose enjoys being killed" is all she needs to kill. Religious zealotry logic.

[@TheVeganVampire]

@@hiking1388 Imagine being this girl and making no distinction between throwing a rock and bludgeoning a piglet?

[@TheVeganVampire]

@@veganvanguard8273 I wonder if she takes issue with beastiality. Are they enjoying it too? 😬

[@indiafalconer2185]

I have written 2 vegan songs kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcYoSvfq5sn7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/hISql4Saj7CXlbM Time to Change and Rebels and other songs on my channel. 🌱🌍💕🐖🐄🐓🍓 It would be amazing if you could give them a listen and comment your thoughts in the comments in my KZbin videos!

[@ryandury]

This person is really the stereotypical overly righteous progressive university student that makes non-arguments and yet thinks she's full of insight : to the extent that she rarely reflects on what's being said and instead crafts a response before Ed has finished talking. Unbearable... and I commend Ed for having some of the best patience i've ever seen.

[@Atomik91400]

You can basically reduce her discourse to strawmanning and whataboutism.

[@DBASSDAN]

Well said, unlike her.

[@Isabella1680]

You've put it perfectly 👌

[@brandonshishido1006]

I've only just started tuning into this channel, but holy smokes he's so well spoken and never shows any irritability. I could not, in a million years, keep that together.

[@gustavdestroyer5539]

She literally is the white liberal she is talking about. All about identity politics but no real change

[@mindtag14]

I live in New Orleans and the black community is by far leading the way for Veganism here. The Veganism is a white colonial construct part of the girl's argument is lost on me.

[@its.me.keeley]

I love how articulate you are and how you keep your composure during every conversation you have! You're so informative and calm, it's actually quite therapeutic! You're an inspiration Ed, keep being you! 🌱💚

[@chipsneak1348]

Ed is actually one of the X-Men, he has the power of superhuman patience. How he didn’t respond with “Well, that’s nonsense” to every second word is beyond me.

[@cocoahorizon9996]

I've found that being vegan makes you more calm and immune to nonsense like the loads of nonsense this lady spoke 😂

[@chipsneak1348]

@@cocoahorizon9996 I have not found the same, but in general I have learned to ignore… a little bit… sometimes…

[@Winona493]

​@@chipsneak1348 Oh, I would like to, so much! But I get angry, outraged and aghast when I hear non- vegan "arguments". You do not have any!!!!! Believe it!!!!

[@spinnie0]

Lmao this comment cracked me up. I agree though, I could not sit there and genuinely listen to her arguments for that long without absolutely losing it. What a load of crap.

[@KevinSamuelsKid]

@@cocoahorizon9996 No it’s the opposite. This guy just has a public image and brand. What’s he going to do, get pissed on camera? 😂

[@justincarrubba759]

The question is why arent YOU vegan yet. Not “why arent indigenous people vegan yet”. What are YOUR reasons. Its so annoying when people who routinely shop at supermarkets and have so many options bring up a really niche group of people like indigenous people

[@patty1247]

Yeah people always deflect. For example, all my leftist friends will say “there is no ethical purchasing under capitalism” but then tell me to boycott Nabisco when they are screwing over workers. Which I am totally willing to do, I am currently boycotting Amy’s Kitchen for workers rights. But if our purchasing power doesn’t mean anything than why should we boycott? At the end of the day they just don’t want to go vegan.

[@maryeverett2266]

There is no reason to be vegan except to feel like a good person. If the entire world or even a significant amount of the world went vegan, it would definitely make a difference. However what one person does has no affect on anything. Unless you're butchering animals yourself to eat them, you will not be reducing industrial animal abuse. Even someone like Ed doesn't have nearly the amount of influence he needs to make real change.

[@silk.bones.333]

@@maryeverett2266 What a horrible outlook to have on anything. Replace "vegan" in your paragraph with "feminist" or "anti-racist" and read it back. Sounds ridiculous. Lead by example. No social movements ever changed the world over night, they start with one person and that person spreads that message and it has a domino effect. So tired of seeing this ridiculous argument. Also yes it does have an effect, maybe not significant in the grand scale of things, but if you replace animals with plants in your diet, you will be saving the amount of animals you would otherwise be eating. That's how supply and demand works. Also, why would you continue to support something that you don't agree with just because it wont change the world? Make it make sense.

[@alipetuniashow]

@@silk.bones.333 soyboy snowflake “oh the poor animals” 😂😂

[@caliskaterboy626]

I agree! I use this during outreach. Many people want to talk about being on an island or being in a life or death scenario. Or they want to bring up people in the middle-east or Africa. In reality they’re driving to Safeway/Walmart/Target to pick up their factory-farmed meats, dairy products, and eggs. What the heck does being on an island have to do with that!? They love to appropriate others’ situations to justify their choices. Earthling Ed has been such an awesome resource for us activists.

[@Audioremedy0785]

Ed hits 2/10 angry here which is the most angry I have ever seen him. When she claims that thanking an animal before killing it makes it any better 😂

[@denniskwasnycia635]

She argues for cosmocentralism and then argues that humans are not animals.

[@Netbase2000]

I know right. Inherently contradicts each other. You can't change your world view - glases like that in one discussion.

[@RyanChristopherLee]

If she just said, "I enjoy the taste of meat, and I don't really want to give that up" I would've had more respect for her than her citing all this bullshit and pretending to care.

[@dont_harsh_my_mellow]

It's honesty. Instead of clarifying how she just doesn't care about animal cruelty to that extent, she decided to get on this soapbox about other cultures not being vegan out of necessity and effectively erasing said cultures from their contributions to veganism by saying veganism is a part of white colonialism (when might I say that veganism was practically invented by India which is to this day a victim of white colonialism).

[@kachi2782]

For that she would need to admit that she is in the wrong but doesn't care, americans will never do that.

[@kenslycarpel3140]

@@kachi2782 Are you assuming no American knows how to take accountability?

[@kachi2782]

@@kenslycarpel3140 Either this or the ones who do pretend to take accountability, are hypocrites since they refuse to give the land back to the indigenous populations. One or the two.

[@Paul2377]

Exactly. I'm a meat eater and it's because I enjoy the taste first and foremost. Best to be honest really.

[@funnybelt]

So her argument basically is “Indigenous people have to eat meat out of necessity so I should be able to eat meat as well”.

[@giannis_tar]

Some people have to kill other people out of necessity, therefore she should be able to kill people as well. Right?

[@ariella118]

@@giannis_tar That's why I rob banks! Some people have to steal to survive :)

[@giannis_tar]

@@ariella118 makes perfect sense :)

[@evanh.6462]

she also said she knows her body responds well to meat.. Veganism has an over 80% fail rate not just because people have meat cravings. It's because they start losing satiation, feel less energized, etc. It's a massive change. I've experienced the same.

[@ojk14325b]

@@giannis_tar in self defense this could be argued, it's like you've never seen a single one of these videos and yet you're here

[@ryanmcveigh2475]

This is one of the best videos I’ve seen. Ed was clearly keeping his cool throughout, objection handling every argument posed in a compassionate manner. Well done, Ed! #GoVegan