I'm SHOCKED! $11,000 Mac Pro vs $11,000 PC!

[@snazzy]

Try PIA and use my special link www.privateinternetaccess.com/snazzy to get 77% discount and 30-day money-back guarantee!

[@sunsetorange89]

Netflix have been blocking 99% of VPN connections for a long time. Is PIA the exception or just a case of say anything for a buck?

[@drawillusion]

What if you install Hackintosh inside this insane PC, and compare it with the Mac?

[@snazzy]

@@sunsetorange89 It really depends on country. I find that PIA cycles through IPs faster than other VPNs and so it does a pretty dang good job at flying under Netflix's VPN-detection stuff, but your results may vary.

[@ehsan_ul_haq]

Is MAC better at “user privacy” than a PC or is it just “marketing”?

[@EDDY.WM10]

On the memory management discussed here 11:39 It's a little bit more complex, Android apps are definitely written in JVM compatible bytes code ( Java/Kotlin targets), but when installed the code is transformed to device native code either ARM-V7/V8, etc, .... and this is true since Android 4.4 Kitkat The old Android architecture used Dalvik which was a little bit similar to what is explained in the video but now, with changes introduced in ART ( Android Runtime ), it's a mix of JIT and AOT. IMHO the feeling of fluidity of apps these days depend highly on how optimized they were made, independent of the OS they are running on. I think Apple does a good job of optimizing aggressively their native apps and since they control both the hardware and software, there's a lot more that goes on in internal direct machine code APIs that are not exposed to app developers ( My guess )

[@bertgreen8070]

I don't know what I gain from watching this. My card was rejected at McDonald's today

[@danteyoutu]

Haha I hope you wrote this comment on WiFi, or you would run out of data plan

[@Pretzels722]

Lmfao

[@sandy737]

Skip 10,000 dollar menu items at Mcdonalds and you'll be able to afford these items just fine.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

danteyoutu LMAO 🤣

[@smileychess]

Dude I keep telling you, skip the apple pie! It'll save you $0.99

[@lukeh9300]

Mac users when you ask their pc specs: it seems to be running on some form of electricity.

[@gxlilea.d1634]

can you explain what specs are lol

[@gravytrainwithbiscuitwheels]

I drive a car nearly every day but I can't tell you how many cylinders are in it, what type of air conditioning unit it has, or what its high speed is. Whenever someone calls me out on this, I ask them what chipset their phone is, but I don't do it as an insult, it's a simile. We all use technology every day that we don't know how it works. It's OK.

[@lelouchlamperouge8286]

​@@gravytrainwithbiscuitwheels You should know how many cylinders your car engine has just as much as you should know what the specs of your computer are. A phone's specs don't matter to most people any further than how much storage is in it. When it comes to computers, you want something fast/reliable, you should know the specs. When it comes to cars, you should know what engine your getting for god's sake. Are you getting some trash 4 cylinder engine? Maybe a 4 cylinder with turbo boost technology? Or are you spending extra cash on a 6 cylinder? Or maybe you have no idea and overpaid for a car that has trash specs but you paid without knowing.

[@lelouchlamperouge8286]

​@@pappbenedek8422 That's not my opinion. If you want to make informed decisions about what you're buying, it is simply a requirement. If you don't know something as basic as how many cylinders your car's engine has, how do you know if you're paying a good price or not? Yes, I don't really care about my phone's hardware - and I'm sure someone out there does. Different uses. A car is not such a minor purchase that you can say, "Well, I don't care what the car is rocking" as you get ripped off thousands of dollars. And obviously some people will look at specs for tablets and such because they need the power. If you're buying a computer, you should know the specs for the same reason you should know the specs of a car - to make informed decisions about how much you're going to be spending for what you'll be receiving. I don't understand why you're arguing about this. Would you rather blindly choose between computer A and B, or know which one actually makes more sense to buy? How about you take the sales representatives word for it that the extra $1000 for computer B is *definitely* gonna give you what you need :)

[@riley_oneill]

@@lelouchlamperouge8286 Eh, it would be more like comparing a Honda Civic and Toyota Carolla based on gear ratios of the transmission, engine compression, and a bunch of other specs which have no bearing if one car is better at taking you to work every day. In the end its going to be rather subjective as to what car you want to live with. I have been around these Mac vs PC arguments for over 20 years now and its all pointless, your computer's only purpose is to work for you. In the video he mentions that his editor prefers working on PC, so that is what he uses, but others prefer working on Mac. The annual labor cost of a full time editor is going to be far more expensive than either computer and whatever makes that editor work 'best' is going to be the way to go. If you already have a preferred eco system you really need a good reason to switch from one to the other. The Mac vs PC arguments are stupid because they are never a compelling reason for users to switch. For a production house of pretty much any kind, the computer hardware will be a rather minor expense compared to other expenses. $10,000 for a computer is a lot, but so is $200,000 for a camera rig. There are productions that have a six figure per day expense, the computer becomes irrelevant.

[@agestam]

"Why do you buy 2000$ mac?" "You know, optimized programs!" "Ah, you do video editing?" "No no! I'm reading e-mails at a coffee shop!"

[@kneticnrg]

Cant argue with the sleek and clean UI/UX though.

[@warlorddk2070]

@@kneticnrg No UI is worth the Apple pricing standard 🤣

[@oneminutefixed5003]

True hipsters use a mac analogue type writer

[@kneticnrg]

@@warlorddk2070 Really depends on how much you make I feel, just like how a $1500 t shirt seems insensible for me but millionaires could buy it without breaking a sweat.

[@kalebakeitshokile1366]

While I’m still using my MacBook Air 2014 today. I do think for some people, they buy a Mac for the aesthetic. It’s this case with a lot of apple products.

[@RaGa_BABA]

11000$ mac: best video editing tool 10500$ pc : best for everything

[@ChazDirects2]

He tested that particular pro app, there's a bunch of other pro apps he could have used as well but its an inconvenience to have to purchase all apple apps and their PC equivalent and test them.

[@justxylo4135]

@Ankit Debbarma iOS perform well because they have all apps optimized, a mac it's not a gaming pc... you shouldn't even be comparing them

[@thelogicalman]

@Ankit Debbarma Mac OS* my dearest friend. On the other hand iOS destroys android :)

[@thelogicalman]

@@justxylo4135 so true

[@justxylo4135]

@Ankit Debbarma tbh iOS loses on paper but it's still a great pc, it doesn't need a lot of ram or memory to perform well because of their optimized app. The mac probably can be use as a gaming pc but it's not a gaming pc. It's like it's like saying a tablet can do a laptop work but it's not a laptop

[@michealhoffstater9810]

11K Mac: Travel to Mars by shuttle 11K PC: Summon an exogalactic wormhole and go to other star systems.

[@Cheezymuffin.]

11K pc made out of second hand parts, that you got way cheaper than from a store: "TROUGH THE WARP BROTHERS, FOR THE EMPEROR"

[@thomasneal9291]

@@Cheezymuffin. uh, that was the retail price the company he borrowed it from was selling it at. what is with you people? did you not even watch the video? Hell, they even added lots of unnecessary bling JUST to bring the price close the Apple.

[@tbone8358]

micheal hoffstater this video is basically comparing 2019 CPU to 2020 CPU which is not fair at all. Of course the 2020 Windows will outperform a 2019 Apple. Wait until apple releases a Mac Pro with an Apple SoC CPU or an AMD cpu in order to do a fair comparison

[@Cheezymuffin.]

@@thomasneal9291 a lot of second had can go for lower than that. Like someone bought a 600 GPU and sells it after 2 years for 300 to 400 bucks.

[@bbabnikk]

@@thomasneal9291 He was following the theme of the comment he was repying to implying that you could get even more value by purchasing the parts used. not implying anything about the pc in the video.

[@zollotech]

Great video and wow is that Maingear PC impressive.

[@jeshuransamuel4219]

Big fan

[@Garrettdx1988]

Right! It’s so pretty

[@louiefriesen]

Now do you want your Vega II back?

[@Custmzir]

I love both of your videos 😀

[@Apipoulai]

I would love to see a video where actual commercial workstations like Dell or HP are compared to a Mac Pro. I’d expect the same low ROI on them too.

[@0xABADCAFE]

Perhaps "Pro" is really an initialism: Product Ridiculously Overpriced.

[@leandros.5342]

I'd pictured Dr. Evil saying this doing the "quote" thing tho

[@elecman748]

Lmao

[@derskeal4240]

Underrated comment.

[@icehot900]

Saving this

[@arioamin]

Acronym* Initialisms are are pronounced one letter at a time. Acronyms are pronounced as it was a word

[@PhobosTK]

"it only has 8gb of gddr5 memory" me, with a 2gb ddr3 gt640 card: *what a shame*

[@mineland8220]

Me wth intel integrated graphics with 128mb: Pathetic

[@toaster_rtx1829]

how about some soy food

[@SherlockHomeless221b]

3090 with 24gb ddr6x. My pc is an absolute monster and it cost me about 2500 pound to build it. 3tb (1tb and 2 tb) nvme. 4tb ssd 8tb hdd. 16gb 3200 ram. My only downside is I have the i9 9900k and not a radeon cpu but that being said when your playing 4k 120 ish hz the cpu doesn't need to work as hard as the gpu

[@PhobosTK]

@@SherlockHomeless221b mine is more of a budget build made primarily for trying out the zen cpus that were sorta new when I started building my pc. Got myself a Ryzen 5 2600, 32gb of 3200 ram, 5tb in hdds, 1.5tb of ssd storage, a 10G ethernet card and a wifi6 card. Last week I upgraded the gpu to a r9 280X with a whopping 3gb of ram (ain't much, but at least it's not a 640 or a 710/730).

[@swaggybanana6909]

Well what should I say

[@jasonluong3862]

$11,000 Mac: Run Final Cut Pro fine. $11,000 PC: Cut through the fabric of space-time.

[@peluchefps]

LOL

[@wassimmefteh401]

Best comment ever LMAAOOO

[@TheManInCommand]

FACTS!

[@TABSF1]

Cut through the infinity fabric of space-time?

[@CharlesBosse]

Also, how much was spent on RGB for that PC? Seriously, you could have skipped the fancy water cooling and probably thrown in another 2080 Ti. How do I know? Other than the rizen (because I run a gaming rig and want raw speed over cores) the PC rig he has there is pretty similar to what I built for less than 5 grand. Can I see some upgrades costing a few thousand more? Sure. The threadripper, the DDR 4, probably more nvme or PCIe storage than I have going could definitely set you back more, but until you get to Nvidia workstations I can't see 10 grand being a practical expenditure on a PC that isn't a showroom model, and even then... it's just too much.

[@busywl69]

$1000 for a 64GB memory upgrade lol. comedy!

[@busywl69]

@@supernovahm1178 you chose poorly lol.

[@mi3night339]

@@supernovahm1178 did you get ddr4 5000mhz cl14 ram??? if so understandable issue have a nice day

[@yoshatabi]

@@supernovahm1178 Lmao what!? Please tell me you didn't. That's extremely overpriced.

[@0xABADCAFE]

Every Apple memory stick has been lovingly caressed my Tim Cook and spent 8 hours in the candlelit shrine to Steve. You can't put a price on that.

[@nin1ten1do]

i play, recr and edit at 8GB ra\m and i am perfectly fine with it.. he is dumb.. stupidmac-pro dumbas..

[@boahneelassmal]

Sooo, the moral is: either you pay a shit ton of money to have a very specific application run perfectly, possibly faster or you pay a similar shit ton of money to have a shit ton of programs run perfectly, likely faster.

[@valputnal9156]

apple b

[@armeli]

Yup. Running a business that might be a question you have to ask yourself and then you make the decision that is the most cost efficient. The answer probably depends on many variables.

[@ILKOSTFU]

yep

[@glockmat]

Yeah PC wins again, what a surprise

[@MrKillFace707]

@Erwyn Puynen Probably from apple losing horribly in every benchmark except for one where it barely came out ahead against a machine that costs $1000 less ,in an application that probably 0.0000001% of people will use. This video is way too diplomatic about the situation. He probably could have knocked $6,000 off the cost of that build and still beat the Mac in every real world metric.

[@vikalpgupta5771]

You know what, u killed it bro. You maintained such high level of unbiased attitude towards everything except pure raw knowledge. I rarely comment but after watching your full vdo specially the last 5 mins you just blew my mind on such great hardware to hardware then hardware + software combo comparison stuff.

[@usop382]

$11,000 Mac: Run Final Cut Pro fine. $11,000 PC: Cuts through 5 dimensions of the universe the 16th time using MS Paint....and also 3 tabs of chrome.

[@lilmad3533]

I think you mean 2 tabs. You Will need 300tb ram for 3 tabs

[@shamashel]

@Doge That was obviously a staged job, everyone knows Chrome is the black hole of RAM. Leading experts have long speculated when we can hope to open a fourth tab in chrome, but even the greatest of supercomputers couldn't calculate the amount of RAM that would be demanded. Some have hypothesized that the opening of a fourth tab would imbue the user with so much productivity, that they would immediately ascend to a new plane of existence.

[@jhontaaan]

Come on, lets be realistic: two tabs on Chrome.

[@johnt3606]

what's so special about tabs I can open 10 normally

[@samuelerrington754]

@@shamashel Umm... I'm running 32GB DDR4 3600 and a Samsung EVO M.2 and I run smoothly with 7 tabs frequently. And at least one of those tabs is KZbin streaming. Oh, and it's all on Chrome. Now Edge, on the other hand, is trash.

[@RayMak]

This Mac Pro will play my Red Alert Remastered just fine!!

[@theonewhomadeyoucry1059]

my imaginary one does 1+1 with no problem

[@risingkhero1714]

oi its you again

[@jaralara6429]

How do people not get that this is a joke

[@Iam.nothing15]

Sanchir Golf can I as k you are you love Mac Pro or pc

[@ww7473]

How’re u in every video I watch

[@trevorsmith470]

This is probably the most compelling argument in favor of the mac pro I've seen so far. Not gonna buy one, mind you, but you made a lot of valid arguments.

[@A51UK]

only as he fail to say anything bad about apple, he was too pro-apple, miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple. I would love seen this video done in a more fair way.

[@trevorsmith470]

@@A51UK I agree with you, this video is *very* generous in favor of what's essentially an overpriced $3000 workstation but with a cheese grater panel, but my point is that it has actual arguments as supposed to just apple magic.

[@zer0legend109]

@@A51UK if he showed u the numbers then it's fair enough, what u conclude is up to u, some people concluded that my 11k spent is worth it, others concluded that pc is still much better cuz even on the optimized software, apple only did marginally better than the pc which is actually much cheaper

[@iurigrang]

@@A51UK He failed to say anything bad about apple? Have we watched the same video? "miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple"? so all the graphs where the PC destroyed the mac didn't exist then?

[@cpthf3535]

@manditheos mind you, all the rgb stuff and custom watercooling are there because his intent was a $11k pc, not something that went to the same exact things. the fact that he had to spend a whole lotta extra money on rgb and cooling because he capped on the rest of the hardware specwise is even more of a dump on apple

[@FengXingFengXing]

Use Linux Ubuntu 20 and do Blender test again.

[@freasfuck]

Why?

[@captain_crunk]

I'm curious about the optimizations in linux these days. I used to run a dual boot windows/ubuntu system many years ago and back then the linux driver support was not the best. I always felt like I was leaving a lot of performance on the table in ubuntu. I'm assuming driver support is much better these days...is that actually the case though?

[@captain_crunk]

@@enzolaffitte04 I'm glad to hear that - makes me want to check it out myself. Thanks for the reply!

[@mikablep]

enjoy linux

[@cessposter]

@@enzolaffitte04 you mean "it is less heavy on the cpu" it's horribly optimized

[@radiantav]

This is a gem. Amazing video with the most professional approach I have seen from any KZbinr.

[@snazzy]

Thanks so much!!

[@adamnordin1]

True that. It’s what I’ve always loved about that snazzy iPhone guy!

[@tastymonkey]

The fact that it's not a complete fanboy look into it is what makes it shine.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

tastymonkey This is why I like his channel as well. He shows us why a PC or any computer is useful.

[@thegreatbeavers]

Apple fans can rejoice. Apple is finally tailoring to their peoples.

[@grimmsundae1954]

The last three minutes was an attempt at softening the blow. That grey cheese grater got dunked on.

[@EriksWorld14]

lol my thoughts exactly. To say 11 seconds is "outperforming" is a long stretch; within the margin of error I'd say. The cheese grater got Vince Carter'd.

[@thelastkimyerim18]

You dont wanna hurt your sponsors too much

[@AndriesdeHaan]

I can personally not afford to pay 10K for a Mac (or PC for that matter), but (because of all the problems I kept having with multiple high-end and optimized PC builds) switched to mac (a second market Mac Pro mid 2010) for my music productions, to test if this would do the trick. I honestly will never go back to PC for my music productions. Never a performance issue, literally never had a crash, didn't had to upgrade anything in years. For anything else I use PC's here. So I totally agree with the final statement of this video. It's what works for you. I couldn't care less if one of my cheaper PC's will utterly outperform my old Mac on so many levels. It's no longer important if I have to pay more for a specific machine, if it means I can work without ANY issues day in day out for years and years. In the end (def if you run a business), you work with hardware that works for you. :) I think that simply is the point many people find hard to understand.

[@EriksWorld14]

@@AndriesdeHaan I think everything you said is a generalization that people make about consistency and optimization not favoring PC's. PC's are a direct reflection of the work you do or don't put in; ie if your PC runs like crap its probably your fault. The reason ppl are adamant about Mac's isn't solely the price discrepancy, it's the fact that Apple seldom makes an effort and expecting a significant jump in quality/performance with relation to their price points is wishful thinking.. I totally understand music production being better for you on macOS - by all means use their products if thats your thing but outside of a few niches their product lineup is a joke. I've spent close to 10k on macs but after building a PC a year 1/2 ago I'll likely never buy another mac again unless they make significant improvements to the Macbook Pro. The complacency of loyal apple users is what allows them to get away with things they shouldn't get away with.

[@AndriesdeHaan]

@@EriksWorld14 Totally agree with you on many points there, don't get me wrong. :) Based on problems others had aswell with their PC's in regards to heavy music productions (and the comments from people who didn't, while using Mac) I simply decided to try it. In the end it turned out to work better for me. :) I paid $1400 for it, so it was also not really that crazy compared to some of my PC's. I don't care much about Apple products in general. For your situation a PC turned out to be a better solution, for my music-situation it turned out to be a Mac. And that was the point of that last statement, which I think is the only thing that actually matters in the end.

[@RedBearAK]

Next step is comparing $11K Mac Pro to $11K Hackintosh.

[@MaxxPlay99]

Sadly OSX doesn't really support threadripper, so you are limited to expensive Intel again. And no Quadro Card from Nvidia, too.

[@JR-mk6ow]

Or just use KVM. Its only like 3-8% slower than run natively

[@rockjano]

@@MaxxPlay99 That is very true only Intel and AMD graphics cards...BUT the price difference is still HUGE!!! (and the upgradeability...)

[@JokingJay]

@@MaxxPlay99 Luckily there's such a thing as the Ryzen 9 3950X. Not nearly as expensive, granted, but it's 16 cores/32 threads vs. the same in the 11K Mac Pro, so still a nice comparison. Likewise, the Radeon VII is kind of a beast in DaVinci Resolve (even if it's underwhelming for other uses), so no need to rely on Quadro.

[@phoenixgtr]

@@JokingJay He already did that.

[@vintageswiss9096]

PC: I'm 1000% faster and 1000% cheaper... Apple: We have apps!

[@romanplays1]

apple stans cling to anything to make their purchase seem wise.

[@hpvrstuff3659]

Apple: we can do homework kinda good

[@uncledrew4046]

Can the pc shred cheese tho

[@mrmsarmo-zw3qs]

@@uncledrew4046 yes

[@nick230699]

Anddd for about half the programs that exist you'll need a virtual windows driver as we don't support anything else ( I use solid works and AutoCAD)

[@jamauai]

"Let's talk RAM," I told my wife. She wasn't in the mood.

[@snazzy]

😂

[@gilbertplays]

Your wife must be a Rem fan.

[@contractualnews9488]

@@gilbertplays or a jojo fan

[@carlbot6227]

@@gilbertplays his wife has bad taste

[@bigdisme5622]

Divorce

[@heazy9744]

I remember years ago my girlfriend bought a $2500 Mac. I looked at the specs on it and said wow I could build a better computer for $800 or less. I orderd all the parts from NewEgg, put the PC together and it blew her Mac out of the water for $780. 3 years later she gave her Mac away because it was so slow and she still uses that PC I built for $780 to this day. Some people just like the Apple OS interface but you're paying insane prices for that.

[@dittaturademocratica777]

yea mechanical disks

[@atimaxavitna8565]

LMAO, I had about 10 or so PCs over about 20+ years and NOT a single one lasted more than 2 or 3 years MAXIMUM, and had CONSTANT problems (screen freezing, slow & buggy, tons of error messages, etc.) from day 1 on Meanwhile I got the MacBook Pro I am typing this on in December 2013 for about $1,000 (a mid-2012 with i5 processor, 4GB RAM [that I've since upgraded to the 16GB maximum] and a 500 GB hard drive [that I'm planning to upgrade to an SSD if/when this COVID-19 pandemic ever ends] and MacOS Catalina) and almost 7 years later it is still going strong, with barely any problems! I mean yes there is some issues with the keyboard that are totally my own fault (I was trying to clean some dust/lint under the keys, and did something [I'm not sure exactly what] such that the number 1 key doesn't work or keeps getting pressed when its not touched & also a couple other keys need the caps replaced -- but these issues was easily solved by substituting a wireless Bluetooth keyboard instead) and also, about 1/2 of the hinge holding the screen attached to the keyboard cracked and broke off (though I don't know when or how) so I usually have to lean the back of the screen up against something (like the arm of the couch) when using it, until I can take it in to get fixed once this COVID situation is over or at least under better control. But other than these 2 issues (the keyboard, and the screen) my 7 year old MacBook Pro is still BLAZING fast compared to even my BEST Windows PC on the FIRST or SECOND day I had it. Mac is like NIGHT and DAY compared to PC and I will NEVER go back to PC, and even if I can't afford a new Mac, I'd rather buy a 2nd-hand used or refurbished Mac than go back to Microsuck Windows buggy virus-ridden crap!

[@SirPML]

@@atimaxavitna8565 My PC story is somehow comparable, so I decided to share it with you. In April of 2014 I was buying first PC paid with my own money. It also had i5 processor, but 8 GB of RAM already. I also decided to take SSD instead of HDD (btw. I don't think there was EVER produced any consumer-level HDD, which you could say "is still going strong" in 2020. This tech is just too slow!). For all that I paid equivalent of approx. $600 (checked exchange rate from that time). Since then I added GTX970 and bigger SSD for another $600. Together for about $1,200 over 6 years I have a PC which is still more than enough for work, fun and some simple gaming. I was re-installing Windows only once, while upgrading W7 to W10. It's true though, that macOS has some nice aesthetics and is less likely to be broken by user, which may be important for you, if you were somehow able to break Windows in less that 2 years of usage. Cheers!

[@slashd0t1]

@@atimaxavitna8565 You're assuming PC's run only windows. Just switch to Linux and it is far superior to any Mac.

[@aditya_gupta]

@@atimaxavitna8565 the pc is not meant for you layman users. Stick to mac

[@edwardnoble9897]

"It doesn't matter, They're just tools" - as long as you're only doing video editing. For anyone doing 3D content creation and/or games - a PC is a thousand times better, for a million reasons.

[@Rolenz]

This is subjective to software being used and some hardware as well. For instance, Wacom tablet support is much, and i mean MUCH better on a mac. They are more responsive, follow your strokes far more smoothly and are there for far better to use than on a pc. This is speaking from years of experience with having a mac at work, and a PC at home. (been using PC´s since swapping my Amiga 4000 for a Pentium 90 box, and using a Mac at work since the PowerPC days, or around ca. 1993) Ever since Microsoft put the ink/tablet pen support into windows natively, using a wacom or any drawing tablet has become a clusterfuck of driver issues, unresponsive detection of pen strokes and a plethora of other issues. Sometimes you get lucky and everything works fine on the PC with a wacom tablet, but most times its constant little issues that drive you insane in the end. Also, a business really does not care if a computer workstation is 4000 or 11000 dollars in the long run. Issues and bad support over time costs far more than that. Apple has been known to be very good in this regard and that is one of the main reasons professionals choose the platform. The same reason large scale businesses buy pre-made HP machines and the like. Custom building each machine in a large office is not cost effective in the long run when you include having to have more tech support staff and work loss if a machine goes bad. I have never understood this bad blood from pc users towards the macs to be honest, since most of the comments come from hobbyists and amateur/low end professionals which will always be looking at bang for the buck on purchase rather than long term. But yes, I do agree that the mac pro base model could have been much better set up when it comes to cpu and gpu specs given the price, but the hassle free, super silent and consistently reliable performance of the machine is a large plus in a work heavy pro environment. Also... no self respecting professional studio will use a hackintosh due to support issues.. That being said.. I am a PC man, which is why I have one at home. But I understand why the mac is as popular as it is.

[@ProjektleiterBroteundBroetchen]

@@latinumbavariae damn that sounds like years of frustration

[@mejsnarp]

@@Rolenz business really does care if the HW costs 4k or 11k. IT is run on tight budgets in most businesses. And also IT enterprise professionals tend to hate Apple, because it lacks automation capabilities of windows/linux

[@meyes1098]

@@Rolenz Wrong. Most professionals use macbooks because their company will provide them. And their company won't just provide them because "they win out on support over time" (that shit doesn't even make much sense lol), it's because Apple does one really smart thing: it makes contracts with a lot of big/med/small sized companies to sell them macbooks with a relatively good discount, and include a few free services with them. The majority of people working on them don't do it because "it's superior" (talking about dev/qa mostly), but because it's provided. Indeed, at my company (more than 1k employees), the majority of them hate their provided macs. Some companies are actually starting to deny the apple contracts nowadays though, because their hardware has way too many issues and breaks way too often, and while the contracts usually offer repair services, the costs pile up way too much. At my workplace mac users constantly have issues with their software, random reboots, the top touch bar thing keeps bugging out and borderline breaking, the touchpad becomes unresponsive, their updates takes ages, they randomly lose their configurations, and lately more often than not the macos upgrades break everything lol. It's so bad that they legit have to replace A LOT of them after even just one year. Meanwhile, us PC guys work more or less the same thing on windows machines that run 24/7 and are having none of the issues the mac crowd is having. And now with WSL2 on win10 the need for the "macos cli" has become a joke lol. You don't need a half and half like macos when you can have the best GUI (windows) and the best CLI (linux) running natively.

[@inhex1603]

It’s because there are more games for windows, so more performance possibilities. (Short term)

[@Shutterbun4]

I'm still curious about what this guy was "shocked" by...

[@Luis-gz3oo]

Probably about why people still bought the mac

[@sugoruyo]

The difference that optimising the hardware + software combo to work well together made. I.e. the lower specced Mac competing with the more powerful PC because the software was using it more efficiently. OR the large amount of performance potential going unused on that beast of a PC by software that's not so great.

[@indub1851]

@@sugoruyo did u watch the video….

[@matiach02]

@@sugoruyo what?

[@thanos8726]

@sugoruyo you didn't watch the video... the encoding is much slower , no game will run well on mac and they are not optimized for it either cuz commercial software will target mainly windows users because is the most used OS . What is optimized the mail client included in macos ? that make me nut each time . I think even now with the new M1 chip this video is still valid .. lmao. I don't say that Apple make bad products some are also totally worth the money like the Ipad / ipad pro especialy for illustrators / content creator and photographer are irreplaceable who say the contrary use their tablet just to watch video to the bathroom . The accuracy of the apple pencil for me can't be beaten , the app you find on ios are much better and more optimized than the one on android and on portable device Mx chips are crazy. But if you remove ipod and ipad ... iphone is not that great for the price , probably the cheapest is the most convenient to buy and macs are kinda a scam . Also Apple doesn't make trash they are all amazing products for the build quality etc very nice os , stable , they don't lose much value over time and pretty safe /secure just not worth the price .. also at pro level everybody use Win or even Linux for obvious reason in every sector even video making .

[@peterjansen4826]

Snazzy, I keep being pleasantly surprised by your knowledge about software and hardware. Like how useless AVX-512 is (have you seen Linus Torvalds his comment on it?) and why Apple uses 2933 MT/s RAM for a CPU/chipset which is locked at 2666 MT/s. Before I started to watch your channel I had the impression that you were a bit of an Apple fanboy but you are rational about it, you know your stuff and you are honest and straightforward. Cheers.

[@snazzy]

Thanks so much, Peter! I try my best to keep up. 😊

[@alolanstarboy]

I've honestly never thought of him as an apple fanboy, he's been that one KZbin channel which I can confidently say likes apple but also knows where to point out their flaws. The perfect balance

[@peterjansen4826]

@@alolanstarboy I said "a bit of an Apple fanboy", not a big one. ;) It was a very superficial impression. Links to his videos kept popping up, I heard a few things about him on other channels...I subscribed to his channel after I watched a few videos and I also noticed that he has a great sense of humor and he still listens well to his audience which many people stop doing when the channel gets to that size.

[@alolanstarboy]

@@peterjansen4826 I never really said anything about how much of an apple fanboy he was. Not really my point

[@Femaqui07]

Yeah, I tought he was a die hard apple fanboy

[@danternas]

A 5% win in a specific scenario isn't exactly convincing over a PC that is literally 4x faster in most other scenarios. Edit: Scratch that. It's a 1% win.

[@1idd0kun]

Exactly. Overall, the PC demolished the Mac Pro.

[@shreyasrprakash9921]

That ain't a PC... That's a freaking jet

[@Nathan-tg4gu]

Very true, but the question becomes what other scenarios you're thinking of in which those spec differences will produce noticeable results. Certainly not standard web browsing and productivity. If you're going to use the Mac Pro JUST for Final Cut Pro and standard tasks, it becomes a good option. And surely the engineering of the casing deserves some weight. It does make things easier. Not saying it's overall a better computer, but there's definitely some market where it's the better choice, even if niche.

[@tuzuharurakutu]

Nathan very niche indeed. I personally use macs for 12 years now with xcode, final cut pro and some logic pro which are very popular amongst pros. I recently dumped most adobe products in favor of affinity and it makes a world of difference even on 4-5year old hardware. So I would say software optimization is what makes a system work, not really the specs. I might be biased but the results are what's important.

[@scstraus]

I think this was a very fair way of comparing. He's exactly right, it depends on what you use it for. I personally use PC's for office work and Macs for media and unix/programming work because when I try to use the other one for that task I just don't get as much done. Use the tool that's right for the job or that you get the most done with. For people who make their living working a certain way, the price difference is easily justifiable if they are more productive.

[@Bchan]

13:18 1,000$ for a 1% improvement? No thank you

[@SL4US]

If he were to build that pc spec for spec without the custom watercooling etc itd be way cheaper. Its not even a contest honestly

[@Nitedontdie]

Yeah, there's at least $2k in that Custom cooling setup including labor cost to build. The raw cost of the system would likely be in the $7,000 region, so realistically here you're comparing a $7,000 PC to an $11,000 Mac, which shows you gain up to 1% performance in very specific programs.

[@hyphendev4133]

@@Nitedontdie Within the 11 grand for the Mac, labor cost is also included. So in that way, its a fair comparison. Still overpriced tho.

[@hyphendev4133]

@F a Oh, so 5k parts + 2k cooling/labor?

[@Ravenous]

@@hyphendev4133 labor cost isnt included when building a custom pc yourself.

[@equivocally_anonymous]

Need to pin MKBHD on this. That guy was raving how good this is and what can it do without talking about if it's worth the value or not .

[@hillbillysamurai]

Screw that guy, he's fake as hell

[@alh06]

@@hillbillysamurai It works for what he needs, I don't see how he's fake.

[@rochitgurung9090]

People have different opinions isn’t it I’m sure you like windows

[@josephfrechette9916]

If your looking for trendy You cant beat Mac. If you want pure perfomance get a pc.

[@bobbytaraantino]

@@hillbillysamurai you're jealous

[@michaellopez6830]

I feel that the price of a windows PC without liquid cooling, RGB everything etc...should have been posted. Seeing how the Mac pro doesn't have those things. This way when the final cut vs Adobe came up, it's like yeah it did very slightly out-perform, but the PC isn't 11,200 or 10,670 as shown.

[@selimfirat]

For those that don't know, that PC has at least a couple grand on cooling/RGB.

[@selimfirat]

@Splendid I guess it also depends where you are from. It'd be around 1200usd for me for a custom hard loop with decent parts.

[@nemo4evr]

You could probably just also use the 32 core AMD and still beat the Apple like a dead horse.

[@gyropp]

"IM SHOCKED!" 11 minutes later: "did you guys really expect a different outcome"

[@synocalpogman9131]

@Smiley Boi its a mac its shit

[@bobstevens5202]

@bla bla bla Stop talking like a mighty politician when you're talking about 11000 dollar rip off Macs lol, just sounds like bla bla bla noises coming out from your mouth.

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

Nizar Nizar The codecs and handling thereof in macOS and on Apple hardware vs a PC running Windoze is what the test at the end was all about. The problems with PC aren’t the hardware. It’s that fastfood OS forced on you. Windows is junk and it’s obvious that MS can’t switch to a Linux or UNIX variant kernel fast enough. Unfortunately porting that bloat OS to a decent kernel and getting it out to the public for mass consumption will take forever. It may not even be feasible when you compare time vs benefit. Meanwhile Apple’s eco system runs natively on a multitude of architectures and is built on a modern kernel. macOS running on ARM now outperforms Windows on an x86 platform. That’s what’s happening and it will just get worse as Windows will be forever stuck in the past. Hey, at least you’ve got flashy RGB disco light cases!

[@bobstevens5202]

@bla bla bla Look how much you have to write to defend a 11000 waste of money LOL, bla bla bla is all I see. So sad that you pay that much for something that is like 5 times slower for the same price if not cheaper, looks like the price point has gotten to your head!!!

[@bobstevens5202]

@bla bla bla Nothing old man, I'm still in school, while you're wasting your life arguing with kids and satisfying my attention seeking about 11000 rip off trashcans hahaha, you're still stuck in the 2000 era when Steve Jobs was still alive

[@datashat]

13:20 this just proves that Adobe After Effects is not optimised in the slightest and needs to die

[@eno88]

This. People who think AE is still hot shit are probably still into Flash websites.

[@robertbodnar810]

eno88 so what's the alternative (to come)?

[@eno88]

@@rainzzzzzzzzz again, this.

[@wizardsmix7961]

@Gap if youre paying for any of these programs your opinion is invalid lol.

[@hakeesh08]

nuke >>>

[@italialambo]

I can’t believe how unbiased and truly comparable you went out of your way to make this. What an excellent video!

[@awsomewe360]

Im sure if Apple didn't already have Apple Silicon in mind years ago, Ryzen would be looking pretty good to them right about now.

[@_nom_]

Not really, they're slowly working towards universal IOS apps.

[@Fake_Disciple]

@@_nom_ You just dismissed what he was saying by adding something that Apple decided to talk about after the news broke that they will make their own CPUs, what you are talking about is a byproduct of having Apple Silicon. You just shut someone down instead of adding to his point, let guess the reason, it's coz you're a free thinker

[@kirizero]

@@thor.mukbang every teen friend I know cares about performance and # of cores

[@hughjass346]

@@thor.mukbang The only apps my friend group cares about are social media apps :/ which is why we use iPhones, but as far as computers we care way more about specs because we basically only game on them apart from doing schoolwork, which obviously still works fine.

[@Ender275]

Well said. If it weren’t for the fact that Apple is trying to keep entirely in house, I’m sure Apple would be ditching Intel and switching to Ryzen processors. However, due to thermal constraints I think Apple would have a lot of issues trying to utilize those chips without a louder or larger cooling design. I think Apple silicon is a good idea for their tablets and phones, but I doubt the performance will be matched on the desktop and laptop front to anything that intel and AMD will offer. But I guess we’ll see what the future holds.

[@filipecalixto6569]

Hackintosh users: Allows us to introduce ourselves.

[@andymiller1597]

macOS Big Sur: Allow us to introduce OURselves

[@skellington1990]

ARM: Allow me to introduce myself

[@stevanpavic]

Linux users: Hold my beer

[@renzoqu]

Hola!

[@RomeoMihalcea]

diapers during upgrades - allow us to introduce ourselves

[@curtisjudd]

I enjoyed this video - the summary in particular. Nice job Quinn!

[@curtisjudd]

@Crab Cowboy 1 Nothing more to say.

[@healthedoc4638]

you are pure cringe please stop 🤢🤮

[@severinoden7709]

@@healthedoc4638 yes you are cringe

[@Timochat_]

So for 11000$ Do I want : -a video editing pc -a video editing, gaming and streaming all in one pc ?

[@SAFIS448]

Ofc PC =)

[@leonjeger88]

In EVERY comparison between Macs and PCs, in the end they always say: "But you have to know what's best for you." I'm here for a goddamn decision!

[@blinblinthing]

You have the facts, PCs almost ALWAYS give you more compute power for your money which is how you should buy.The only reason you'd deviate from this is if you NEED Apple only software.

[@TheRussellStover]

Comes down to : Do you use an apple only application the majority of the time on a PC? Do you need the speed for (insert reason) for that application? If no then get a PC.

[@blinblinthing]

@@TheRussellStover if you need speed for a multi OS app, the money you saved on a windows machine can be used to upgrade it. So it's pretty much if you need an apple only app.

[@noelius4481]

Pc. Game while you render.

[@x4it3n]

The main thing for me is that EVERYTHING is upgradeable on PC!!! While on Mac, just forget it...You can only change the HDD/SSD and RAM (and even these have to be specific in order to work on Apple computers). So the choice is very easy! 🤣 Plus you can get a much better PC for the same price too so why bother with Apple?

[@Nattodayy]

Love that Motion is being mentioned more often these days. Fantastic app that doesn’t get enough credit imo. I would love Fcpx and Motion to merge in the next update (kinda like Resolve and Fusion).

[@snazzy]

Agreed 100%. FCPX needs more compositor options. It’s awesome that Fusion is inside Resolve.

[@InsaneAudioMediaJunk]

As someone who does compositing in Fusion I'm not all that happy about the UI change this integration brought. We now can't really can't customise out layout and constantly hunt functions in menus that used to be in the main UI. Also, the performance overhead of running resolve is staggering with high rez projects, you reach the limits of your hardware way faster, and stability starts to go downhill. So for specialist work, standalone Fusion is still absolutely vital. Although maybe Motion isn't used all that much for specialist work, so that point may be moot.

[@Nattodayy]

Julien Rodewald I agree the UI in Fusion could use some work. Creating Fusion titles is kind of a nightmare to me. However, the inspector panel looks incredibly similar to Motion. Regarding speciality work, Motion can handle quiet a bit. Advanced keyframing with expressions (behaviors), 3D text, tracking, simulations, etc. With MotionVFX’s MO2, you can do complex 3D animations at the level of Elements 3D. And a lot this runs smooth on even a 13in MacBook Pro. I’ve been hoping Fcpx would integrate Motion as a workflow extension (kind of like a floating hud). I think this would help get more people into motion graphics and animations.

[@TalesOfWar]

I remember the days that Shake ruled the roost for compositing. Then Apple discontinued it and Nuke became its spiritual successor.

[@lindsaywebb1904]

TalesOfWar yeah that was strange. After the takeover I kind of expected all that goodness to end up in Motion but alas no.

[@thomas4589]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, or ignorant as I am still relatively new to PC hardware: your benchmarks seem to show the opposite conclusion to what you say at the end of the video. In an ideal situation the Mac is a hair faster than the PC (which is cheaper). In the non-ideal benchmarks, the PC was significantly faster. It would seem that your best value is still the PC at the end of the day, as it is not only cheaper, but is also significantly more powerful in other workloads. I could be missing something, but if someone asked me what to go with: a custom PC or a Mac for no more than 12k I'd have to suggest the pc based on your charts.

[@AndrewHadi07]

Bear in mind the cost of the case and watercooling and RGB and the man hour from main gear is definitely not cheap.. cut a few thousand dollars and it will perform the same with a less flashy machine.

[@noelius4481]

Plus the option to game while waiting a long render to finish.

[@PrismFoxes]

If you like MacOS (and it's programs) more then get a Mac, if you like Windows more or don't care about your OS get a pc. That's what he tried to convey.

[@menotu000]

@@PrismFoxes or you could ignore Windows entirely and install Linux... on the PC and really get performance.

[@PrismFoxes]

@@menotu000 found the linux user.

[@jonkeau5155]

I’ve noticed Adobe is far more stable on pc than it used to be, over the last four years it’s night and day! I enjoy my custom built pc for editing, and it has lots of room for upgrades!

[@Aviciiz]

It's been better yes but it's still crap compared to other editors. I switched to a M1 Mac and Davinci Resolve and the performance boost is insane.

[@kamilm6616]

@@Aviciiz how is your heat management. My buddy got an m1 a few months ago and he says it's constantly overheating and has trouble editing raw 4k footage while I have a custom PC and can edit 4k with 20 layers of effects and my computer doesn't even sweat.

[@Aviciiz]

@@kamilm6616 It’s pretty good, it only heats up a bit when rendering. Idk if your mate used Premiere and what type of raw. I know R3D Raw works better with premiere than other editors

[@Kosake82]

13:17 If you think that something beeing better by such a small insignificant margin while still beeing more expensive is actually "outperfoming" you're trippin' mate.

[@chanceslaughter3237]

Especially considering the PC could be built with near identical performance, but less flashy and custom built for less than $5k, almost definitely.

[@nekojcovek8466]

Plus after effects and final cut pro are incomparable

[@SL4US]

EXACTLY

[@chanceslaughter3237]

@F a meant same performance not same parts(motherboard)... But ok... Just an estimate

[@MenacingPerson]

@@chanceslaughter3237 more like 7k but yea

[@spencersipes5638]

Mac : Has overpriced mediocre hardware that is made up for by cleverly coded software. PC : Has decently coded software that is made up for by using insane hardware, but can also play really fun games.

[@joroshiba]

It's not so much that it's cleverly coded, it's specifically built to run on a specific OS and the very limited amount of hardware that OS supports.

[@Mehwhatevr]

Yeah, I'm surprised the difference, being as drastic as it was was as close as it was. Seems like you should get a PC if you prefer the PC tools and want to be able to game. Or get a Mac if you don't care for gaming and/or prefer the Mac tools. Neither of which applies to me, but maybe next time I buy a laptop I'll feel less guilty for considering the Macbook Pro. :)

[@spencersipes5638]

@@joroshiba That's pretty much what I meant by cleverly coded. It's essentially just coding specifically for a certain environment. Which I see as clever.

[@pumasheen]

I built my own PCs and PCs for friends and family until about 15 years ago when I switched over to Mac and I've never regretted it. I love my Macs. Recently, I've gotten into creating 3D art with Blender on my Mac Mini and decided I wanted something that renders faster. I looked at the possibility of getting a Mac Pro, but I don't want to spend at least $6,000 for it. So, I decided to go with building myself a PC again for the first time in 15 years. I built one with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, 32 GB of RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 2060 Super. It all cost me about $1500. It's crazy to see that the Blender BMW demo file renders in 125 seconds on the $11,000 Mac Pro at 7:53. My $1500 PC renders it in 32 seconds (granted, the Mac Pro can't take advantage of Blender's Optix). But, even my $1500 PC's Cinebench score beats the $11,000 Mac Pro's Cinebench score and is on par with it on the Geekbench 5 generic multicore score. I'm still a Mac guy, but just nice to know that I definitely made the right decision specifically for running Blender.

[@venusalexa7367]

And the software probably will expire in a year in the Mac one.

[@mike_v02]

Mac Pro Fans: We have our own pride on the price! Me: Hehe, overpriced cheese grater.

[@pyupyu2043]

indeed

[@DJSinestro]

😂😂😂 yo wtf

[@Gcnm05]

AHAHHAHHAHAHHA

[@SAFIS448]

LMFAO LOOOL I'm proud to be a Windows user :)

[@ItsJustAyo]

why yall fight about pc’s and macs :( they r both good for people who prefer them

[@Pepebru876]

I have apple and I gotta admit there a scam never buying apple products again

[@CreeperPookie]

they're*

[@kohtaradash1553]

ok boomer

[@mikablep]

@@kohtaradash1553 whoa what a roast! be can never truly recover from this truly amazing use of your words! /s

[@hpvrstuff3659]

@@kohtaradash1553 this is a 9 year old in his natural habitat calling anyone they can see post pubesant 'boomer' for no fucking reason

[@kohtaradash1553]

do i care?

[@Madmax23419]

Apple == restriction on almost everything, no real repair support, overpriced, etc. That is still true.

[@nylotical]

The repair support is real, but it’s gonna cost $15-$170 for 2 years or $0.99-$3.99 every month (depending on product). The support is actually awesome, and most of the time they just recycle and replace your device instead of repairing it when the possibility that the problem can remain is there.

[@CommentCritic]

If you like your Windows or Linux machine, fine, go right ahead. But don't talk shit about stuff you have no idea about. This should be biblical.

[@hoshimiyaeki]

Their new iPhone 12 breaks itself if you try to repair it

[@dontpinme9321]

@Matt g they do

[@ethan_t35]

@@hoshimiyaeki what component breaks when you try to replace it

[@Grabster]

Hey I made this thumbnail lol. Thanks for the opportunity again. This was fun

[@jeshuransamuel4219]

Hey very nice thumbnail The reflection of the light from the pc Falling on his hair very nice

[@snazzy]

A great one!!

[@albertnicolau4139]

The real question is: why does Adobe still exist, their software is either infuriatingly slow or infuriatingly incoherent. For example, why can I scale the UI inside illustrator but other apps depend on windows settings, which basically breaks anything. And yeah premiere did become faster but it still is nowhere near to resolve.

[@Kyzerii]

because it has better features

[@karolpasiut8124]

You forgot that it's also infuriatingly littered with bugs and random crashes.

[@sdbegotist]

Because its the industry standard, and when working with a large slew of different employees, and needing them to communicate different projects at any one time, having it all under one umbrella suite of software makes sense, at least when you can convert the cost as a tax deductible

[@AlexR2648]

Because so many of their products originated from different companies

[@Chechewitza]

@@AlexR2648 RIP MACROMEDIA FLASH. You were better then most of us.

[@MidnightSt]

10:50 ...i'm actually a bit surprised. I knew macs are overpriced pieces of crap, but I would have never dared to think/claim they are THIS MUCH shit.

[@HENAEZ]

intel was dog shit though. that new m1 chip is actually amazing.

[@whitehavencpu6813]

@@HENAEZ Ye I'll give them that. Their M1X might get close to a Desktop Ryzen 9 3950X/5900X. I heard the M2 is going to try and compete with Threadripper 3970X.

[@realtimestatic]

@@HENAEZ m1 is neat for battery life and performance is pretty good I’ll give them that. Hopefully arm will take of on pc but only apple can make those big changes that easy

[@Kadori328]

@@HENAEZ but it's on arm architecture .... Which means emulation foro x86 will definitely be dogshit

[@sashapaleologue1234]

@@Kadori328 So far, it actually runs things faster.

[@johjoh3692]

11:36 Not really true. The Java bytecode that would normally run on the JVM is compiled to native code when you install an app on Android

[@grinsystem]

also not to mention there a lot of apps out there written in cross platform stuff like react native, xamerin, flutter, etc. Not every project is using java/kotlin and swift exclusively.

[@cjttuapawa]

@Cyro1 that and some android companies spins on Android like to eat every bit of ram *cough Samsung oneUI *cough

[@tomtakumi]

True. Even before Lollipop, JVM is translated to Dalvik bytecode. In Lollipop, Android Runtime (ART) was replaced by Dalvik.

[@turbocactus44]

@@tomtakumi It's the other way around. Android Runtime (ART) is the newer one.

[@cjttuapawa]

@@MarcRitzMD honestly I just think it's a mistake on his part, not everyone is going to know this type of stuff especially if you don't come from a java programming / Android development background

[@EDDY.WM10]

On the memory management discussed here 11:39 It's a little bit more complex, Android apps are definitely written in JVM compatible bytes code ( Java/Kotlin targets), but when installed the code is transformed to device native code either ARM-V7/V8, etc, .... and this is true since Android 4.4 Kitkat The old Android architecture used Dalvik which was a little bit similar to what is explained in the video but now, with changes introduced in ART ( Android Runtime ), it's a mix of JIT and AOT. IMHO the feeling of fluidity of apps these days depend highly on how optimized they were made, independent of the OS they are running on. I think Apple does a good job of optimizing aggressively their native apps and since they control both the hardware and software, there's a lot more that goes on in internal direct machine code APIs that are not exposed to app developers ( My guess )

[@tj472]

I was also about to comment regarding this. You're right. ART has been used in a long time. The fluidity of iOS has more to do with with its superior hardware rather than software alone. iOS 12 upgrade proved that previous versions were not fully optimized for the hardware.

[@clickbaitpro]

Exactly

[@clickbaitpro]

@@tj472 Also animations

[@Spillerrec]

Not that AOT is going to change memory usage compared to JIT any significantly. Compilation is not going to solve memory related issues.

[@EDDY.WM10]

​@@Spillerrec See, AOT, in this case, means the code is compiled straight to the native CPU code of the device during installation, And it's not anymore compiled during execution like previously with the Dalvik's JIT.

[@CleverHavok]

Basically the only thing I learned from this video is I'm broke...

[@Hacimo1]

Same

[@Gcnm05]

omg same

[@kushy_TV]

i think what he forgot to mention when it comes to the software suite, is that if you have compatible hardware (where there is a lot of) you can just run mac os outright.

[@user-ew8bu3ez2f]

Yes, I knew that Apple hardware is junk. But I didn't know it's THAT JUNK.

[@zaidalia54]

yeah me too

[@Get2dahChoppa]

Ah, but it's OPTIMIZED junk!

[@michaelhoffman9573]

Expensive junk lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂

[@BeN-bn5yb]

@@michaelhoffman9573 getting the express pass for the scrapyard be like

[@jomito8784]

@@Get2dahChoppa hahah good

[@taho1684]

Damn, I thought you were comparing a PC to a cheese grater

[@soultheory8441]

たほたちTahoTachi I honestly like how the Mac looks lol, I would build a pc with that case

[@rachitbhetwal8218]

Lol

[@Nishana99]

apple fan bois can lick everything apple throws at them

[@Samuel-oh3hm]

It has better air flow than most pcs lmao

[@Nishana99]

@@Samuel-oh3hm bwahahaha thermaltake core p5 that's cute

[@SuperstarFx]

The professionalism in this video editing amazes me! Very well done

[@snazzy]

Thanks!!

[@deth3021]

A big difference between these systems was the lack of a quadro card and acc memory. Pro means more reliability, and that doesn't mean crashes it means protectection against data flips in large data sets. So acc is a requirement. Ecc is also slower.

[@DarKvid]

“A computer is a tool, so voy the one that helps you to get the job done” is the best quote ever on the tech community

[@Elogamer15]

Not true if you are an enthusiast tho

[@johnfrankster3244]

So are you to everyone that is a Johovahs witness :p.

[@zaph1rax]

Which hammer gets the job done, a cheap hammer, or the most expensive hammer? The best ones are usually reasonable priced.

[@visceraeyes525]

more like; anyone who buys an apple is a tool

[@johnfrankster3244]

@@visceraeyes525 I buy apples every week, granny smith no1.

[@Intelceleron51]

It's Apple that has to take the heat for the embarrassment of Intel. Bring on Apple Silicon.

[@TheGargalon]

Yup it looks like they signed some 20 year deal with intel when they were transitioning to them

[@adwaitsharma6915]

Workstation class chips are totally different ballgame, let's wait and see how apple scales up their architecture, it'll be amazing on laptops but for high performance PCs , we'll have to wait and see.

[@robertp457]

Intel designed CPU's based on Apple's designs and then Apple had them run at over 90c nearly all the time under most loads. Apple also didn't put the best CPU's in their computers either. Intel deserves some criticism, but not all of them Apple is more to blame than anyone for the Mac Pro's terrible base spec and price.

[@robertp457]

@Michael Kevin Millet I wouldn't be comparing a computer that doesn't exist yet with one that does.

[@robertp457]

@@adwaitsharma6915 "it'll be amazing on laptops" without any actual hardware or third party benchmarks it's way too early to tell.

[@tipoomaster]

"Spread thermal paste in an X application!" "Do a blob application!" "Evenly spread it with a card!" Snazzy at 7:21: Yes.

[@gilles111]

As many people say, no matter how, just make sure it is there. But don't do a Verge.

[@Dakeyras83]

Actually it matters how The one here was not optimal

[@zachbrown7837]

That's an X with dots pattern. Cisco recommends this pattern for use with their Xeon based servers. For the larger CPU's the blob method isn't enough to get coverage.

[@tipoomaster]

@@zachbrown7837 It's not the recommended application for Threadripper here though

[@BambiTrout]

Ngl this video is an absolute ride from start to finish. You've got a 2 product reviews, an upgrade, a comparison, several educational points, a sensible Mac vs PC debate, and at least 3 plot twists, all in one video. Bravo.

[@snazzy]

Thank you!!

[@npaul4171]

This was a really interesting video. As you noted, people don't really buy Macs purely for the raw hardware performance, especially with their higher-end lines which they tend to update less frequently. Simultaneously, they work extremely well with the software that many of their targeted users prefer and so pure benchmarks aren't really an apples-to-apples comparison...no differently than with HPC, it's not just about what hardware you have or synthetic benchmarks, but how efficiently you can utilize it in real-world operations (e.g., LINPACK is not necessarily a reliable predictor of application-specific productivity.) The easy, reliable, and secure integration of their environment is also a strong selling point, as is historically robust software to pair with many prosumer devices. That said, you do pay a price for it, you are often limited in selection, and in many instances you are very limited in upgrade options. And with the exception of the Mac Pro, Apple devices also tend to have really poor repairability, and some of the design choices that have led to poor repairability are very questionable. There are other situations where a Windows workstation is a superior choice in every respect and there are so many great options out there, both custom and preconfigured. At the end of the day, it definitely is about which one is going to make you work most efficiently and bank that money. I do wish macOS and Windows 10 would both slow down a bit in their release cycle. Both Apple and Microsoft move so fast now with OS updates and adding "new features" that it often leads to annoying bugs and glitches that they don't even have time to fix before the next release. We don't need an entirely new OS every couple of months. We do need an OS with robust reliability and I think both have suffered as a result of pushing out so many new features on such a tight schedule.

[@vladen14]

So you're telling me in the end Apple is an overpriced piece of tech that does less for more money in 99% of usage situations ? *Surprised pikachu face*

[@rayson8296]

😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆

[@ACharmedEarthling]

And he still finished off by suggesting Apple was at least as good, because of a couple of well optimised applications. What a joker...

[@ladder3257]

With apple you need to be wise with how you spend your money. 1000 dollars for 64 Gigs of ram… no! In other words they’re a hit or miss. Go with a thousand dollar m1 mac mini and you’ve got yourself a damn powerhouse

[@JR-mk6ow]

OMG imagine using a computer without wheels. This comment was brought to you by the 400$ wheels gang

[@bspringer]

The wheel cost 700$. Their price was upped

[@milkshakeplease4696]

spending a lot of money on a computer is a worse investment than buying a brand new car

[@bibasik7]

@@bspringer They're $400 if you buy them with the Mac Pro, and $700 if you buy them separately.

[@bspringer]

@@bibasik7 ah ok

[@cocoshort6528]

@@milkshakeplease4696 Really? Really? To professionals that's not true, even being 5% faster could save thousands

[@the-ironclad]

The difference between Mac and Windows pc can be said by comparing two $300 tshirt where one tshirt has a supreme sticker slapped on it and the other t-shirt is made with state of the art materials and has much better comfort and tailored to the person’s fitting. It’s clear which one is better for you and which one is for show.

[@kadafi4lyf]

apple be like: add this $4500 option and your videos in final cut pro will render 2 seconds faster!

[@mikablep]

did you mean 694206942069420$?

[@adiestra8451]

I never regret watching these videos, he always gives both viewpoints of a tech debate. Would definitely like to see a similar video, but comparing the lower end of the Mac/iOS lines (in terms of cost) and comparable PC builds, when using the adjusted benchmarks that consider each OS’s native applications. Better yet - what about comparing things like the (obsoleted) Time Capsule or tvOS, to their respective non-apple competition?

[@FIRSTEBITOS]

If u are talking about entry level, (air) macbooks does not have any area where they excels, and they build quality is kinda low, so unless u are stuck with apple soft, never buy a AIR

[@kondirecs]

You rarely see a Mac in heavy computing work these days; rendering and graphic works that include video and AE. As always people need horsepower for bucks, and most are fed up with Apples overpricing policy (all of their newest gear comes with only 8 gb ram as a standard!?? Is this 2008??). Last time I heard a Mac is better than a PC is probably 15 years ago. No wonder AMD is skyrocketing at the stock market these days. Some solid CPUs coming out from them these days.

[@liewsterr]

Apple stock is also skyrocketing though

[@Shonschannel]

@Marcin Berman I personally love my mac. Bought it in 2012 and it is just as fast today as it was then.

[@Shonschannel]

@PK Rockin’ I'll agree with that, but they are upgradeable if you know what your doing, especially the Mac Pro. I also have a Mid 2015 MacBook pro and my keyboard became unusable. I called Apple and they told me I can't replace the keyboard, they would have to do it. Found a video online that said otherwise. So I replaced my keyboard for about $150 instead of Apple's $750. I agree that they are making it harder for people to do their own upgrades, but if you do a little work you can do it yourself.

[@serk3406]

@Labs Micro As much as the Mac Pro is overpriced no one’s talking about the 40k monitor’s made by Microsoft that run 4K HDR (that people actually buy) Meanwhile Apples 5k monitor has a 6k display less power used, and is 7x better overall. Everyone focuses on Apple sometimes lol

[@jesha1995]

@@serk3406 The display from the mac is just a simple dell display

[@realsmokeyyy]

Before watching the video I just clicked because im already in love with that concept of comparing mac to windows for samz price

[@tedzards509]

Why windows though?

[@Xanduur]

I’ve been using Apple products since the early 80s. I understand they cost more than the equivalent PC, and I’ve dealt with it. But the recent price increases for the Mac Mini, the iMac Pro and this new Mac Pro are beyond my ability to understand. I just don’t see why the base model machine is five or six grand. I have owned two Mac pros, a 2012(?) and the 2013 trashcan. Neither of them cost $6000 for the base model. The Apple tax on their products has gotten out of hand and simply cannot be explained away as business as usual.

[@wooferjr169]

My guess is that these are workstations that businesses would buy for their executives. The average person has no reason to buy a 6k-12k iMac pro other than doing serious computer work. But pretty much a business would rather be comfortable spending 12k on an Apple iMac than a windows PC.

[@llothar68]

@@wooferjr169 But the average professional might have a need for a good computer without an attached screen. Like using KVM to switch or VESA mount multi screens, need good cooling and inplace repairable machines without waiting for a genius doing it. Maybe internal disk drives with a few TB. Many reasons. What we see and i predict this now is this macPro and the total unuseable (professional) monitor being one of the biggest fails since the last Mac Pro or the Mac Cube or the LISA, we will never hear from it again. Just like Apple never mentioned the trashcan for six years.

[@codo8584]

It's because they know they can get away with it, it's why I've stopped buying Apple products, as long as they still sell Apple tax will only go up

[@lilone7461]

Start buying pcs, It's cheaper. Download Mac OS on your pc, it's cheaper, better and faster now. You're welcome.

[@redacted4125]

When it comes to the Mac Pro the cost goes to the motherboard, case, and the fact that it's apple

[@hugosan24x87]

Apple fans be like: *imma pretend i didnt see anything*

[@armeli]

Apple fan here and I saw this video and it was one of the best PC vs mac videos. The bottom line is that if you like a windows pc then use it and if you like a mac then use that. Why would you or anyone care what some random dude in the internet uses for his or her daily work?

[@meyr1992]

@@armeli actually no one cares if you use mac but we do care when we see Apple fans say their products are the best and superior to everything when they don’t even know what specs their mac is using or anything about computer hardware

[@Justin-yc3eb]

@@meyr1992 I actually see the exact opposite of this lol. The windows fanboys are very very toxic about Apple products. And a lot of them don't even give a good reason why. But hates it just because they don't like the brand for some reason.

[@Bobbusinessgaming]

@@Justin-yc3eb they're overpriced as fuck. That's the reason.

[@Bobbusinessgaming]

@Erwyn Puynen lmao, the only toxic man is you here. Now go on, make Apple more money.

[@DctrGizmo]

I switched to an AMD pc this week and I freaking love it! It was my first time building a pc so it was a fun and somewhat stressful time.

[@wooferjr169]

How long did it take you and your budget?

[@kjrehberg]

While Android apps are written in Java for the most part, they use native code for the parts that need performance. If you would take a look many APKs you will see that they contain native code libraries in them for performance.

[@ChazDirects2]

compares to entirely in native code... its a much better future proof situation

[@kjrehberg]

@@ChazDirects2 Yeah, but when it's not native code it doesn't have good performance.

[@Jonatan9815]

I laughed so hard when you said " an ancient moodbook that probably runs on gasoline"

[@x3merx3mer]

3D rendering is incomparably faster on PC, yet I know so many people doing 3d modeling/rendering on Mac just because its a popular choice. Damn.

[@modifidious666]

apple users are brainwashed zombies, you could sell them a turd if you convince them how good it is

[@hyper_channel]

@@modifidious666 the phones are ok, but yeah I wouldn't ever buy their laptops or desktop computers

[@jackengels5077]

@@modifidious666 apple iTurd ftfy

[@qiyuxuan9437]

Apple is very dependent on hardware acceleration for video editing programs. Premiere and Resolve on PC is also improving in that aspect, once they can utilize more gpu and cpu cores, PC will also significant out perform macs even using apple's own software like finalcut.

[@ashitkotian2396]

After Effects just utilizes single-core speed. Should have used VFX software like Houdini.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

Or just upgrade to zen3 based theadripper later on, and enjoy a 20% performance boost😂

[@AxelCoolify]

I like how he talks about a brand deal for 2 minutes, then straight after say. Nice now I have the money to buy a years worth of sallary of beast computers. What a time to be alive! :D

[@_parkphoto]

End of the day, I really appreciate your perspective on Mac vs PC. It’s all about what gets the job done for you.

[@DerpyPannycake]

so we got a threadripper.... apple chance to win has left the chat

[@mitchellodom6746]

I've never seen such an unbiased video when it comes to technology.... Well done!!

[@danishblunt9698]

its extremely bias.

[@mitchellodom6746]

@@danishblunt9698 iTs ExTrEmElY BiAs

[@TheMachiniste]

It really is extremely biased, he does not even factor in the cost too mill a block of aluminum that big(about a thousand alone) and the hard to manufacture double sided motherboard(also about a thousand)

[@endersblade]

"At the end of the day, it doesn't matter" Um, yes, it does. Continuing to shell out tons of money for gimmicky bullshit (Mac) just leads people to believe it is actually 'better' because more money = better, right? The vast majority of people who buy Macs for personal reasons aren't doing major video editing that requires an $11k Mac. Realistically, the average person just needs some bare bones ~$700 computer to do everything they're going to do anyway. Stop wasting money on a freaking name and just get a PC. I also find it completely hilarious that a completely blinged out PC, top of the line hardware and custom water loops, RGB, etc, costs LESS than the Mac. As in, we completely capped out the PC's hardware, but in order to make the price point comparable, we added all the bells and whistles we could...AND IT WAS STILL CHEAPER. Never mind the fact that Final Cut just does video editing...if you were wanting to do 3d rendering and such, a PC is going to blow a Mac out of the water at half the price point.

[@larry5289]

Who cares? If someone is dumb enough to not do their research and buy the wrong pc for the work their trying to do... that’s on them

[@deth3021]

It wasn't comparable though. The Mac had ecc memory. So the pc should have been using a quadro and acc ram, instead of water cooling and rgb

[@ff11dream]

My card was accepted at McDonald's today.

[@jashmodi]

Alexander Coral hehe. My core2duo finally booted up today

[@helengorelik5412]

My a6 6710 played solitaire today

[@swagmoneybuge]

i can't read

[@Iam-a-live]

I can't write

[@kelseyrague3782]

Same

[@genma986]

That bit about android, most of performance heavy apps are written in c++ or in part written in c++ to make sure performance critical code runs fast. Also involves java compiled to native code. It just not accurate to say that is that much worst of due to running in a JVM.

[@khalilmohammadmirza4070]

It's not because of Jvm. Windows and android suffer from same problem. Both are not optimised for any hardware. Both are designed to take the best performance of available hardware. Mac OS and iOs are optimised to run on specific hardware.

[@gabrielcorporant]

That bit of info was very interesting to me. As a future mobile apps developer mostly for Android, I need to know this stuff, and maybe find a solution for it one day. I think this is one of the reasons why iPhones can be as competitive as Android phones while having less specs.

[@josephs.7960]

For one thing, android apps don't run on a JVM they run on Dalvik or more recently ART which are quite a bit different from a traditional JVM like hotspot. But the overarching concept is still that apple devices have no need for a VM because they have almost complete control of the hardware (at least in mobile) and thus tend to run better.

[@Packieeeee]

@@khalilmohammadmirza4070 With the amount of Apple software + devices available over time, Apple also has to 'optimise' for a pretty huge range of hardware. That and they use the same parts you'd find in a PC anyway. Lastly most low level hardware optimisation is done by compilers now not the people writing the software (but compilers are optimised for hw), Just sayin'

[@khalilmohammadmirza4070]

@@Packieeeee What's the total number of iPhone devices models. It's 21 currently. What is the total number of Android models? A quick Google search says it's 24,000. I say, it's bigger than that.

[@UsagiMir4]

$6k for "optimization" hmmkay

[@djRoyalTee]

ikr, Lemme move this goal post, wash this out, scrub this down, install this, replace that bing bang...U SEEEE itz da Sam3!🧐

[@ShortHandedNow]

Less than a year later and that $150 RX580 is now $400... The times we live in.

[@susandefelice5509]

And its still cheaper than what Apple charges

[@Hogscraper]

I've always heard similar things about Macs. If you're the small percentage of Mac owners who are doing professional video editing then you will see a decent gain in the software render time while seeing severe losses for everything else, and everyone else owning one had to first "buy into the idea" before the absurd monetary difference began to make sense. It's like people who go to Starbucks when there are far cheaper, better tasting options nearly everywhere. Which I only thought of because I drive by a Starbucks every day that has a decent outdoor patio area and nearly everyone there with a laptop seem to only use MacBooks...

[@AbeDillon]

I like Mac OS much more than Windows for a lot of reasons. I also like the MacBook Pro (mostly because of the awesome track pad) more than any other laptop I've used. I use both Macs and PCs on a regular basis. The thing about the "absurd monetary difference" is: 1) It's often not as absurd as people claim. Flagship phones have been nearly the same price for almost a decade now. Flagship laptops are also not that different in price. 2) Computers are such a good value these days that they easily justify their price. The personal computer became popular in the 80s. That means computers offered enough functionality at a cheap enough price that it made sense for lots of people to start buying their own computer. Since the 80s, computers have gotten millions of times more powerful and far more capable for the same price. They're a ridiculous value no matter which brand you get. Just stop worrying about other people's preferences. If I buy a $3k laptop every 4 years, that's $62.50/month. That doesn't even come close to how much I spend on food or rent. You may as well complain about me having the gall to buy name brand Oreos instead of the store-brand knock offs at half the price! Where's the army of anti-Oreo internet trolls that's so insecure about their choice of cookie that they have to fill comment sections with anti-Oreo idiocy?

[@joshbarnett1090]

The sticker price of your first Mac is definitely a bummer, but you'll probably keep it longer than you would an equivalent PC. When you finally get around to upgrading, your Mac will have much higher residual value in the used market than an equivalent PC would.

[@Hogscraper]

@@AbeDillon Thank you for proving my point. First you ignore the absurd price difference in phones by artificially limiting the topic to "flagship" models. So Apple is competitive on price, but only if we're talking about the most expensive alternatives possible? Amazing. And you buy a $3K laptop when similar spec'ed ones cost a fraction of that but then try to say $1K+ cost difference is the same, in your mind, as $1 difference in generic and name brand snack foods? Amazing. I don't care what people spend their money on but when it's based almost entirely on stroking your ego I'm going to laugh laugh at you for it. I mean here you wrote four paragraphs, (WITH AN ITEMIZED LIST LOL), then you told me what I should be doing before devolving into a somewhat insane ramble of a last paragraph. So thank you again.

[@AbeDillon]

@@Hogscraper Apple only competes in the top end. So what? You think buying a computer is all about price per spec? Why would anyone buy a Porsche over a Kia with similar specs? I've bought similarly spec'd PC laptops and am always dissatisfied with screen quality, the OS, the build quality, all of it. I have a 2019 Lenovo Thinkpad that cost over $2k, had rave reviews and it's a piece of garbage. None of what I said was stroking my ego. You have zero reading comprehension. It's a preference and people are allowed to have those. Get over it.

[@Hogscraper]

@@joshbarnett1090 That life bit is kind of true, but only if you compare the average Mac purchase with something like a gaming PC. My mom still uses a single core Intel refurbed workstation that I bought her years ago and it seems like both PC and Mac, (when used for things like surfing the net or editing personal photos, etc), last about the same length of time. You definitely have a point there with the re-sell, though because similar minded people exist in both the re-sell and retail.

[@wilsonjevin]

Me with my $1500 pc watching like: 👁👄👁

[@whocares3132]

Pretty sure your 1500$ pc has better performance than the 6000$ mac

[@valterspatriks8752]

Dipayan Bairagi You both literally didn't learn anything from this vid.

[@patf7570]

@@valterspatriks8752 I watched the video and the 10k pc did better than both macs, he said its just better for "optimization", even with their respective softwares, the pcs won. Also, he mentioned macOS is better, but pcs do have the ability to run macOS through a hackintosh setup. For pcs to be much better optimized, they can also look into some linux os which do run some games much better

[@KaziNafisAhmad-cx2eq]

Me with my $50 pc watching like 💩💣💭

[@nehanye2470]

I HAVE A 20 DOLLAR PC

[@sokolum]

Snazzy: use the system that works the best for you! Big company: Here, a dirt cheap underpowered low spec laptop, make now me lots of revenue.

[@PaulMansfield]

In my direct experience people/developers have chosen Macs instead of Windows laptops in a big corporation because the windows machine would be a relatively cheap and basic machine further burdened with antivirus and audit tools etc

[@_nebulousthoughts]

@@PaulMansfield yeah that was my experience

[@reckie1000]

Thinking you don't need an antivirus software in 2020 just because you're running mac is pure and very explicit ignorance

[@TheMysteryDriver]

Yuval Roth companies still buy Norton and McAfee when windows defender works fine.

[@reckie1000]

@@TheMysteryDriver "Windows defender works fine". If you truly believe that, you got some bigger issues that i can't help you resolve

[@unknownsowhat6310]

"i like mac" "why?" "just mac apple u know" "for what? aesthetic? looking rich? what?" "u know mac apple" "u really don't know what mac apple for?" "no" "omg"

[@jimgolab536]

Extremely good insight on the importance of matching the software to the hardware. Very good video.

[@Catamount1412]

While the attempt to creative a niche for Apple here should be lauded for its honesty, I still think the argument for the Mac ultimately fails, and fails badly. Essentially, what FCP demonstrated was that if you intend to *exclusively* use a machine for only one of the small number of tasks that Apple has optimized a small number of applications to enable, you can make a Mac Pro.... about as fast as an equivalently-priced PC would be, while still being absolutely massively slower at literally everything else. Even acknowledging that such machines are probably usually going to be purchased with particular tasks in mind, "exclusively" is a big word, especially when it pigeonholes you into only one possible software tool for the entire life of the machine (so if Adobe Premier gets some amazing new features in 3 years you're SOL on using it), and especially when there isn't a performance advantage anyways - 842 vs 853 is a not a performance edge; it's just testing variance, and well within margin of error (as in, even if the Mac was 1.3% faster, it would take a very large number of trials to even demonstrate it and it's not a real-world advantage at all) Buying the PC affords, at bare minimum, the same level of performance, massively more performance in most tasks and most applications for a given task, and the flexibility to use an $11,000 machine to do more than one thing, even if it's something as simple as adding a new tool into a workflow or just doing some gaming on the side - I think we know what's going to win between a 2080Ti and an Radeon Pro Vega 2 - this is ESPECIALLY true given that the PC could have been built for less flash and a lot more performance, at which point even using FCP result in a loss for Apple

[@dannymahmoudi3666]

But other KZbin reviewers say it’s amazing like every other apple product they review 🍎 . Lol

[@SunSunSunn]

Man, the one downside to non-macs is the lack of a complete ecosystem. If windows or android or whoever would make that happen, consider me sold.

[@rudrasingh6354]

@@SunSunSunn a closed wall garden never benifits anyone Android and Windows are for user freedom not simpletons

[@BangiranaAllan]

@@rudrasingh6354 this comment 😂😂👆

[@Artaxerxes.]

@@dannymahmoudi3666 KZbinrs are just as biased as media outlets. KZbin has now become mass media. What did you expect.

[@essasetic6064]

Hmm, watching this makes me curious. Would there be any difference between Windows and PopOS using DaVinci Resolve?

[@bananas1055]

Linux is way faster in davinci resolve, Hollywood nearly exclusively works on Linux for that reason

[@lavishjaat]

_laughs in Arch and Gentoo_

[@sullenday]

What fuckery is required to install davinci on pop os? I know you don’t simply install like on windows.

[@mttkl]

@@sullenday Resolve works natively on Linux too, but it still needs some tweaks and extra dependencies to work unless you're using CentOs (? Afaik), it still takes like 5 minutes to do. I think Novaspirit has a short video on that, if you're interested. Edit: On the video he does it on PopOs too, but it should be Distro agnostic I guess.

[@slamdunk715]

WTF is PopOS ?

[@BsnNick]

Minor correction, but Android apps do not run on the JVM, but on a completely different ART (Android Runtime) and is compiled to Dalvik Bytecode and not Java bytecode. Also, it’s a little misleading to say Android apps aren’t compiled to be native, since almost all major apps do have native (C/C++) components that do not run on ART. Additionally, ART utilizes ahead of time compilation (AOT) to compile from Dalvik bytecode to a native binary and a JIT that dynamically recompiles the native binary code after several runs to further optimize. Although memory usage, as you said is an issue, but the Android team has done an amazing job optimizing-you may find that many apps, for example, launch faster on an Android flagship with significantly lower CPU performance compared to the iphone.

[@AMBEE-sp2ev]

Mac Pro: For everyone who wants a 11K Cheesegrater with wheels.

[@cehaem2]

I´ll tell you a secret. Most people that buy Mac Pros order way more beefier configurations because they need them for work, eg. 4k video post processing. And this is where thing start looking different. A friend of mine work at a PR agency. When the new Mac Pro came out they ordered two with Afterburner cards just for that purpose.

[@cehaem2]

@Foaad Hisham if you are a pro price doesn't matter. If you need the horse power, you pay for it. Plus if you're looking at high end workstations, prices are similar. You need to stop comparing that machine to your pc that you cobbled together at home. If you are buying a Mac Pro you go big otherwise there's no point in investing that kind of money. $15k buy you a fairly basic configuration. If you invest more, you get some muscle, but it ain't hardware for folks like you and me.

[@paulround8501]

The wheels are extra $400 I believe, talk about a slap in the face.

[@lol38111]

@@paulround8501 nope, they are 699$

[@paulround8501]

@@lol38111 Lol, anyone paying $700 for a set of casters needs their head examining.

[@edkode]

6:55 Quinn the type of guy to like his own videos on KZbin.

[@snazzy]

But I like them... lol

[@bradhaines3142]

@@snazzy the logic stands

[@hamzailarzeg]

Lmao good catch

[@ChristophHaas1]

Another intresting Question.... How Cheap A Windows Computer must be to have the sa,e Benchmark results as the Mac Pro?

[@mc_sim]

3-4k is enough.

[@costa200]

@@mc_sim probably less if you have connections!

[@lejeffe1663]

Its possible to di it with about 2k budget with a tad bit amount of Watercooling.

[@donkeydelux640]

@@lejeffe1663 water-cooling is useless, what are you saying

[@Semeyaza]

Probably less than half to also mantain the same workstation quality parts... also that 11K pc was not even close to be the best bargain you can have for that price, so.... ;)

[@davidebic]

You just earned a sub! Even as a PC team fellow, I must say that I like the way you made the benchmark and the comparison. And I absolutely agree with the fact that a PC is after all just means to an end. But, I must say, I personally hate Apple's company policies over many matters such as pricing, marketing and repairs. So I shall remain a PC team fellow until that changes.

[@chrismarinohardin9929]

I have really mixed feelings TBH. I hate Apple’s hardware policies (repair, primarily), but I love their software policies (particularly privacy focus). Apple’s privacy stances are SO much better than everyone else’s. They do use it to justify their hardware premium- they don’t monetize the user or collect user data and even block third parties from collecting user data- but the hardware premium is SO high that it’s hard to say if it really justifies it. I tend to buy Apple laptops (not really repairable anyway and I notice the build quality differences) and build my own desktops.

[@holesmak]

@@chrismarinohardin9929 they collect your data and they sell your data as everyone else does. Also they are not blocking third parties data collectors. If you want to go private use tor and lots of vpn otherwise you are fooling yourself

[@davidebic]

@@holesmak as you said. Personally I don't really care about privacy policies that much. When there's privacy settings I leave everything as default...

[@davidebic]

@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea what do you mean you might die in a year? No clue about the reasons but don't be so pessimistic! As for the dilemma... I'd say it's pretty simple. MacOS is for people who want to be safe and have an easy to use environment at the cost of money and freedom, Linux is ultimate freedom but poorly supported by many applications and hard to use, while Windows is a way in between costing little compared to Apple, giving significant freedom and being relatively easy to use (especially the latest versions). The biggest problem with windows being security. 95% of viruses target windows after all.

[@davidebic]

@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea well I suppose that if you only use light applications it makes sense to make the jump. Any system would work fine with those. I'd have an harder time because I like the freedom that Windows gives, and I also play games that don't even exist on either Linux or MacOS... anyway good luck with your MRI, I hope the tumor was successfully removed entirely!

[@my3dmed146]

Nice video. From a 3D artist perspective, in 2020 the Apple computer line up isn't even in the conversation due to several self imposed hardware incompatibilities. The only workable options are Linux (Redhat) or Windows. Some of the bigger 3D renderers are even dropping support for the Mac altogether....

[@iamlegend68]

$11K for a Mac ? Lmao 😂 Paying $1000+ dollars on a base level MBP is one thing but $11K is unjustifiable. You can build a PC with the BEST OF EVERYTHING for around $4,500 including a RTX 3090 GPU and a Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-core CPU

[@cocoearmuffs6207]

With left over money for rent and other shit too. Meanwhile if u buy that 11k mac you'll be living in ur dad's basement using that mac for google docs or some shit.

[@ajemajh]

3090? 6900XT would be better

[@sinnirr]

@@ajemajh Bahahahahahaha

[@benruss4130]

@@sinnirr the objective benchmarks show that the 6900XT is 10-20% faster.

[@sinnirr]

@@benruss4130 Don't care about that, In my experience AMD drivers suck

[@Ivy_Inquisitor]

I wonder why I am here like some of the others here! I live in a part of the world the daily food costs less than a dollar, and I am quite happy for that!