I waited 20 years for a Homeworld 3 (and it just got a demo)

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I waited 20 years for a Homeworld 3 (and it just got a demo)

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PROCLAIMER: This video is not a paid ad, unlike most of the others. I'd never take a bribe to shill a game or otherwise give preferential or censored coverage. I'm a Homeworld player of 25 years since the demo of the first game, and I wanted to make this to evaluate Homeworld 3 and give my findings impartially and with basis in my expertise and history with the games.
Totally unedited other than a brief video glitch at about 54m that I cut out. My first 2 hours of Homeworld 3. Warts and all. No punches pulled. No holds barred.
Feels like a zoomed in and slowed down Homeworld 2 (but somehow sped up so ships die really fast). And the camera and controls are a unique mess. It's yet another game that doesn't permit proper rebinding, which is especially bad for lefties who are anywhere from 10-15% of all players, because it just makes playing miserable for them....
...but at least it's still just a demo: gyazo.com/9e85...
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0:00 intro
1:50 splash screen settings
3:45 customising settings including controls
6:50 tutorial
53:30 advanced tutorial
1:07:30 war games quick play
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@Volound 6 ай бұрын

at time of writing, this demo has another nearly 3 hours before it ends. if your internet is not terrible, you can start downloading it and spend 3 hours on it just like i did here: store.steampowered.com/app/1840080/Homeworld_3/ also remarkable is that homeworld 3 got delayed AGAIN, this time until may 13. another 3 months. man thats a lot of 3s.

@fearan9406 6 ай бұрын

the delay is a kick in the teeth. any tips for the camera it infuriates me

@SuperSajuuk 6 ай бұрын

The constant delays (after giving several very clear "dates of release" that have made me question every release date they now share for the game) and the general shit show from the fig campaign [where all they did was post concept art, promote Homeworld Mobile and tell us what the Art Director drank that morning for breakfast, rather than actually say anything tangible and useful about the game, alongside the excellent meme of a Railgun Frigate which doesn't exist in the game any more (replaced with an alleged railgun corvette)] just makes me think Homeworld 3 is going to be a significant disappointment and not live up to its 5 years of hype. Unfortunate really, because Gearbox could have avoided all of this kind of stuff by just communicating more with the community, but instead they chose to take the mick with it all (didn't help that we have now had a revolving door of community managers where the first two were incapable of actually talking on their alleged official discord server, and only the 3rd one -- a senior CM for Gearbox -- has actually done something useful with it). Many of the issues highlighted by the war games demo are issues they could have easily resolved had they actually just done private alpha and beta tests with fig backers, some of whom have paid hundreds of dollars to show their "interest" in the game and expected more for their money than what they've actually ended up with. Instead, what happened is Fig Backers were basically sidelined and the only private tests that have happened have involved influencers and random streamers, which makes me question why they even bothered with a fig campaign at all: if they just wanted pre-orders, they should've just done that directly on Steam and EGS, rather than using a crowdfunding website. It's made me realise that, despite all of their faults and their obvious age, Homeworld 1, Cata/Emergence and Homeworld 2 were generally decent games for their time. Sure, HW2 had its faults with its rewritten story at last minute, but at least it had a release without too many glaring issues or game-breaking functionality, whereas HW3 seems almost destined to launch in an incomplete and highly buggy state, with a whole year of support spent just making the game that should have happened on release. Oh, and neither HW1, Cata or HW2 had Denuvo DRM, and I still can't understand why Gearbox bothered adding that to this demo. The only good thing for Homeworld 3 is that there is a guaranteed one year of support. Whether one year is enough to turn it into a respectable and liked game.... well thats up to Gearbox and BBI really. If they continue on the path of just simply not appearing to communicate with anyone at all, it has no real future, but if they decide that they should actually be involved with the community, maybe it can have a better future than the one I seem to see.

@Volound 6 ай бұрын

well said. im going to be making a video explaining everything wrong with the game design, in terms of its systems and the gameplay. there isnt even an attack move any more. your ships cant move and fire to get flanking positions. a mainstay of ion cannon frigates as they fight destroyers etc.. this game is really fucked.@@SuperSajuuk

@Volound 6 ай бұрын

also i forgot to mention, they are PAYING KZbinRS to cover this game, to basically do what i just did here except i did it for free. they are spending money on shills instead of on development. thats another sign of a dead game.

@SuperSajuuk 6 ай бұрын

@@Volound Yeah the whole "paying random influencers who have no previous experience with Homeworld to promote the game" annoys me greatly. Maybe its getting exposure to a huge audience, but as you rightly point out, its not going to be objective or useful -- other than generating lots of views -- as those kind of people are unlikely to have much understanding of the lore and nostalgia people have for the game, its just "another random space-based RTS" to them. It's unfortunate really, because for the last few years, the indications have been that GBX are unwilling to actually involve the actual community, and would rather pay random people to shill the game, which as you say, indicates a dead game or one thats going to massively disappoint.

@doltBmB 6 ай бұрын

unfortunately the poor controls and messy UI reek of consolitis, PC controls gimped from the start to accomodate a controller scheme down the line.

@Krysnha 3 ай бұрын

The funny thing, is that now many are saying the future of consoles would be totaly digital at that point, why even bother with a console, there is no reason to have a console beyond exclusive, is so sad, consoles have becomes jokes

@ChillCollins616 3 ай бұрын

rofl what 😊

@marduk1734 6 ай бұрын

Expectations: wow, it's going to be fabulous, like Denis Villeneuve Dune turned into rts-adventure. Reality: friendship with Homeworld 3 has ended. Now BFGA 2 and Rogue Trader are my best friends!

@badrhetoric5637 6 ай бұрын

Every ship in this game is just an iphone

@shoopoop21 6 ай бұрын

Just play cata/emergence. There is a video that I remember of the original homeworld dev gushing about homeworld, and you can literally _hear and see_ the terror on him when they mention gearbox. He goes onto explain how he spend years unbinding homeworld, legally, in a situation I'm not too familiar with, before someone (I think it was actually pitchford) outbid him immediately. The guy talks about going up to him later, and asking why gearbox, a company that does not make rts games, much niche ones like homeworld, and he gave the effective answer of "so I can put it on my mantle" Then there's deserts of karak. I don't know what anyone else expected. The next real homeworld game was never going to be something in the actual series.

@Kyle7565 6 ай бұрын

That dev was Robert Cunningham, he’s the founder and ceo of Blackbird Interactive the developer that made Deserts of Kharak and Homeworld 3. Gearbox is only publishing.

@Kyle7565 6 ай бұрын

Also, Deserts of Kharak was pretty enthralling and stylistically consistent down to the Paul Ruskay soundtrack, so I don’t understand the shade. Cataclysm was the one that felt the most out of the franchise, it had John Carpenters the Thing as the antagonist. Completely out of left field, still loved it.

@shoopoop21 6 ай бұрын

@@Kyle7565 corporate hands typed this post.

@Kyle7565 6 ай бұрын

As hominem, really? I wasn’t trolling you but if you have no counter arguments, then whatever. Deserts of Kharak is sitting at a steam lifetime user of around 80. It’s a fun game and most people who played it, liked it, even if it’s compromised in its own way like every other HW. I don’t hate Cataclysm, but it is by far the most thematically different game in the series, it had no relic staff working on it at all, and breaks the franchises all aliens are just long separated human cultures rule. I don’t work for BBI/gearbox, I’m not Canadian and I don’t live in Texas. I’m also not a coder, I’m an engineer. That Rob Cunningham stuff is factual by the way. I remember 2013 when Sierra was having its assets auctioned. I had email correspondence with Rob back when I had backed Hardspace Shipbreaker before it had become Deserts of Kharak.

@shoopoop21 6 ай бұрын

@@Kyle7565 _"it is by far the most thematically different game in the series"_ I disagree, and I don't actually owe you any explanations. Homeworld is not adagio for strings and a young betty, and it hurts my soul to see it implied to be this way. The very fact that you feel the need to come in and defend DoK is a red flag. Its not a good RTS, much less homeworld game. _Its not even the same genre,_ but I'm supposed to ignore this skinsuit garbage because "Gearbox, who own the property are _only publishing"_ Sleazy corporate hands.

@chopshops 6 ай бұрын

Dude, I used to play the first game with my dad around twenty years ago! This is awesome to see!

@petresko1041 6 ай бұрын

I couldn't stomach the low FPS movement of units in the original Homeworld and stuck to Haegemonia - Legions of Iron in stead, but when the remaster came out, despite its issues, I was finally able to enjoy it and I loved it to bits. I'd like the end result to be an improved Homeworld 1, but like yourself, I'm not feeding any expectations. Very few publishers can be given the benefit of the doubt. A courtesy I haven't given to any game for a decade.

@Krysnha 3 ай бұрын

The only modern game that manage to capture the dance of death of original homeworlds, and haegemonia, is ironicaly a turn base game, not so much the dance but the idea you are controling space ships, that would be battle star galactica deadlock, doesnt have the dance but the ship feel real

@jerk1921 6 ай бұрын

The moment when the game told me that *turrets* are now things that have to be attached to a solid surface. That's when I uninstalled the demo and went to the discussion boards. *What a conclusive travesty.* 1:03:04

@norsakella8833 6 ай бұрын

I hated the controls in this so much! I played homeworld 1 and 2 + both remasters. This feels so much worse

@Volound 6 ай бұрын

same for me. i played all of them as they came out. and totally agreed.

@Thecountofstgermaine 6 ай бұрын

name a game series that departed from its core ideas and values and became a better series. CIv, total war, command and conqueor, morrowind(elderscrolls),Diablo dont worry i shall wait. There is a philosophy at play other than making great games. As each studio falls under the control of the wallstreet mafia the same results occur.

@norsakella8833 6 ай бұрын

@@Thecountofstgermaine I understand your point, i would put forward GTA. This went from isometric gameplay viewed from above and turned into the behemoth we see today. But by and large i wholeheartedly agree

@Wourghk 6 ай бұрын

Well, it's Gearbox. Probably a bit much to want more than janky, watered-down derivative slop from them, so the demo's spot on for my expectations.

@alexsampsonite2176 6 ай бұрын

I booted up Homeworld classic a few months ago and found out that it had been updated in August. The docking system was completely wrecked with glitches that I had never experienced in 24 years. Cant capture ships, issuing docking orders just results in ships endlessly queueing and/or orbiting the mothership and sometimes my ships just fly off the edge of the map. Fuck this game

@mastermalpass 5 ай бұрын

Started playing HW1 the other day, ran into the docking problem, so I did a bit of googling and found a work around - if you manually move a ship up to the Mothership's docking port THEN issue the dock order, the ships will go in. So far, this only seems to be an issue with the Mothership (playing as Kushan, of course). My fighters and Corvettes have no problem docking with: Kushan Support Frigate, Kushan Resource Controller, Captured Taiidan Carrier (capturing frigates works fine, I guess 'cause the corvettes bring them right up to the docking port). So far, so good. Hopefully the Kushan Carrier's little under-side docking ports for fighters and corvettes doesn't run into the issue. So surprised though that they would even update HW1 Classic at all, let alone break the docking system then not try to roll back the update or anything.

@alexsampsonite2176 5 ай бұрын

@@mastermalpass I found the same workaround myself while playing but, as far as I'm concerned, the game is broken

@nickngyn 6 ай бұрын

idk if it's just me getting older or the pacing of wargames mode, but i found gameplay to be on the frenetic side. i'm micro-ing just to keep my head above water, and a couple moments of tunnel vision is all it takes to dump my entire fleet down the drain, ending the run. they nailed the vibe, though. the game is gorgeous and the music is 👨‍🍳😚👌 hope they take all the time they need to polish up the game

@Zenith121691 6 ай бұрын

I'm more excited for the full release of Sins of a solar empire 2.

@RunicRhino22 6 ай бұрын

I picked up Sins of a solar empire a little while back, i enjoyed it quite a bit

@selmevias1383 3 ай бұрын

Hell yes

@Krysnha 3 ай бұрын

Not really, i watch the latest works and ships look plastic, i mean yes nice effect of shields and battle, but already ships look like toys

@avananana 6 ай бұрын

I personally enjoyed it quite a lot. The delay is a bit of a punch in the face, I don't mind it but I can understand why it would upset some people, but I did enjoy the game overall. The War Games mode seems like an odd choice to include in a demo, although I guess it's just that, a demo. I wish they could've just shipped some standard RTS sandbox mode vs the AI, even if the AI was bad that could've build a good idea for what the game could become. the new camera controls even if they took a while to get used to. The developers seem to have tried to make some MOBA/RTS mix here where the aim is fast-paced battles, which feels weird because some ships feel really slow compared to what you'd expect them to be, although that may be something they'll change based on feedback. Further, the UI kind of feels a bit cluttered, or maybe that's just me? I like it feeling more modernised and has a cleaner style to it, but there's just so much everywhere now and lots of wasted screen space as everything is kinda inset towards the center. I did like the new camera controlls now though. They're vastly different from the standard HW1/HW2 controlls which probably annoy some people, although I found the change to be quite good as it kept most of the functionality and added more freedom. I didn't run into any major bugs from what I could see, probably as I rarely care for small bugs as I know it can be hard to hammer those out without community interference, but I've heard of there being quite many so I don't really rule them out. I really hope that War Games isn't the only mode they'll have on launch and that we will have the standard MP mode as well. Attack-move not being a thing in the demo is mind blowing though, there's no way they can have a full release without it as attack-move is a core concept in RTS games that players have loved since the dawn of time. I guess all we can do is hope and pray that HW3 isn't another 21st century game filled with bugs on release with the devs promising to fix them 2 years down the line.

@davewills6121 5 ай бұрын

Ive never played any HW game, yet 3 has peaked my interest for sure. The demo has realistically recieved mixed reactions from such a passionate community, waiting decades for HW3 must bring with it a level of anxiety and hope. We will see

@Pixelmoh 6 ай бұрын

th UI is just to gigantic. They really need to tone that down or add UI scaling options. Also I hope dogfights getting improved. Other than that can't wait for the game. Also hope new factions get released... and the mods for this gonna be insane!

@Volound 6 ай бұрын

no they wont. already been confirmed that the modding support will be really bad, same as deserts of kharak. this is bad news all around.

@Kyle7565 6 ай бұрын

How so, didn’t BBI preemptively hand out modding tools to select modders? Theres a dev team that just dropped two trailers for an Expanse mod and Battlestar Galactica mod.

@93Avenger93 6 ай бұрын

... the visual language of homeworld is lost on these people. I want y'all to boot up the remasters or go look at the cutscene movies online. I want you all to SEE how Karan S'jet has always been portrayed din this franchise. And crucially HOW she was addressed for the majority of the time in her games. Yeah. You barely saw her. And what glimpses you saw did their best H.R.Geiger biomechanical body horror impression by showing her as a piece of flesh suffused by machinery, tubing and encased in a shell of cold metal from behind which all that remained was the entity you actually interacted with in the games: FLEET COMMAND. She was not Karan anymore, almost her entire humanity drained out of her by the process of becoming the mothership core. What little was left only manifesting in very muted fashion in moments of absolute horror, stress and terror. WELL SCREW THAT NOISE! Here's the full frontal skin tight neon highlights bodysuit versions floating angelically in a halo of blue light! Full of personality and with a face you can see and relate to and ... This crap is not homeworld. This can't be homeworld. You could not have failed HARDER to capture the essence of who S'jet was. HECK, even plastering her name all over this and repeating it at nauseam IS WRONG FUNDAMENTALLY! Karan S'jet was a name spoken in reverent remembrance for Karan S'Jet is DEAD. Where once she stood all that remains is Fleet Command, the cold calculating will of the Hiigaran people bent solely to the task of ensuring their survival and prosperity. You could not have failed HARDER at capturing this character, this is like looking at homeworld 1 and 2 ... and deciding to do THE EXACT OPPOSITE when it comes to visual language and characterization. So rest easy. Not only will the gameplay be ... mediocre consolitis trash. But the story will also completely fail. No, I don't need to play this to know it. I can look at the opening cutscene and realize these people have ZERO understanding of the universe they are currently trampling into the dirt.

@lumitic774 5 ай бұрын

u crying?

@jessemacaspac443 6 ай бұрын

Looks to me like they're going the homeworld 2 route and I've suddenly lost all interest.

@akiramasashi9317 6 ай бұрын

The controls are hella janky but at least it got the atmosphere of Homeworld down.

@LegendaryAbysss 6 ай бұрын

Nice! Looks fun and relaxing.

@SPG377 6 ай бұрын

I tried playing this solo in a private lobby and with the exception of collectors no ships would persist across missions, and the second mission always spawns 2 destroyers before i so much as touched the objective, which apparently are now good (or rather incredibly lethal) against every single ship type. But i really only dropped it because i was fighting the camera more than anything in this game, i'm now assuming the delay was because the demo made the devs realize they had a moderate shitshow on their hands and were about to release it.

@jerk1921 6 ай бұрын

You just know that they ruined the movement commands because they were thinking that it should cater to people with a laptop(no mouse) or a phone or some stupid thing like that. So sad...

@RomanianReaver 6 ай бұрын

You waited 20 years? HAH! I've been waiting for it since I tasted the raw ass of Homeworld 2 and saw what could've been (21).

@RomanianReaver 3 ай бұрын

Only 18 more days. I am betting a lot on this... 1 collector's edition (for moi, physical), 1 collector's edition (digital) for an ex I remained close with and 1 collector's edition (digital) for my bro. Might've also asked for coverage access but that might not come. Lets see if I bet right :D. Or at least righter than I did buying Escap from Tarkov EOD.

@FunScrump 6 ай бұрын

I was unimpressed by this demo, the bugs, jank and difficult interface can be overcome. However, the MOBA-fication and esports feel of this iteration has me concerned. War Games has an addictive, fast paced, quick reward style that is ripe for monetisation. Also, the Suppression Frigate is poorly designed.

@franklombos1806 5 ай бұрын

Was waiting to see game performance before I run out and buy a new GPU, considering how laggy it looks... 70 FPS on a 3090 no less, my hopes are a bit shot on holding the line... hopefully its just a cupla demo bugs and the final release will be a bit smoother!

@kiyoshisan9425 6 ай бұрын

Looks amazing

@the3rdid485 6 ай бұрын

A shitty demo at that. The controls are so poorly thought out. I honestly don't mind the idea of just having the controls being like a first person shooter running through space, what they didn't put in elevation controls to just simply move your plane of view up or down which is the stupidest possible thing.

@Coconut-219 6 ай бұрын

Considering how crap 2 & the remasters are, I expect it to be a style-over-substance far cry from the first (and cataclysm, remember back when 'expansions' were actually GOOD?) and plagued with predatory monetization nonsense.

@konnigkratz 6 ай бұрын

Jesus the spellong mistakes in the Compendium

@tramico96 6 ай бұрын

Mod support. Now that would be amazing. Although I see what you mean, it seems slow, I don't mind a slow battle if it is between capital ships, but the fighters seem too slow.

@Thecountofstgermaine 6 ай бұрын

Volund son of gloin! Rejoice dear bretheren, the lord has returned!

@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen 6 ай бұрын

👏🙂 Exciting

@user-kz6jp9kl4l 6 ай бұрын

Ok, what's with my childhood games getting new instalments and me not getting notified by KZbin? Google, you already collect data on what I search and sell it, the least you could do is to benefit me as well

@user-kz6jp9kl4l 6 ай бұрын

Couldn't check the demo myself but maybe there is/was a "left-handed mode" in accessibility?

@AbyssWatcher745 6 ай бұрын

@@user-kz6jp9kl4lthere isn't unfortunately, Volound is a lefty too

@RooDemartini 5 ай бұрын

OMG the controls are a mess! They cant launch the game like this...

@alexsampsonite2176 6 ай бұрын

@tatuira93 6 ай бұрын

Oh so that's why my scouts kept circling the mothership instead of landing last time I've played, I kept wondering if that actually happened in the original, there's my answer... what the fuck.