I Was Wrong... This IS a Problem | Wuthering Waves

[@KaloCu]

Better I hope 😌

[@AerynO.]

I believe in Scar supremacy

[@eyn801]

while i dont want to spread/mention leaks but based off what is being leaked (its everywhere, i dont look for it) 2.0 is havoc sub dps female with another female of unknown rarity/style 2.1 is bulante a (probably) aero dps male with sword, unsure of the 4 star but probably another female.... 2.2 is rumored to be female aero support with some kind of travelsal...... scar and geshulin was nowhere to be heard of do you see why us female (probably some men) got angry? we felt deceived with the almost balance character ratio on launch to be forced to endure months upon months of female updates, and the very few chances we do get male we can get both the character and their sig, probably some copies completely for free with how scarce they are 🫠 "well because men dont sell", i mean, why do you think that is? i do not want them to go the pgr route (same dev, kurogames) where they at one point release 2 men in one year, barely any costume but 2/3 female costume every patch like...... i do not want to be told to go to love and deepspace (i do play and spend there also) if want men, bro im not asking for romance i want to play action game with cool looking men, the fight in love and deepspace is barely decent at best 😔

[@DzinaPiorun]

Better 👍, tho not all ladies like overly tall muscular man, we need more diversity, after all there are a lot of ladies that like cute man. (Something like comfort character, for me It's Lingyang but for others it may be someone else)

[@DzinaPiorun]

@@eyn801 Totally agree, not to mention that love and deepspace have totally different graphic style.

[@TopTOBiiiii]

Watch all the new male characters we get be damage dealers powercreeping the few male damage dealers we currently have. No male supports, no male healers, probably. Leaks : -If Bulante, the leaked aero male, ends up being a dps then there goes Jiyan.. Same with what happened to Calculator because of Yao-

[@Logos6]

Am not a girl, am not a coomer and am not gay. I just wanna play as a badass cool as hell guy. Why is this so hard to understand.

[@Cloke100]

this

[@eyn801]

its sad to see people who cant see that its normal for a man to play with male characters and not just outright calling it gay 😔

[@lesath7883]

Nobody is forcing you to play WuWa. You can play whatever you want.

[@marcosmoreno72]

Nah you are just scare of woman.

[@lesath7883]

@@marcosmoreno72 Such a childish reply.

[@osaiosai5]

You know what’s even more weird? As a female player I never realized that there are only female CHILDREN to play with… I’ve never seen little boys in these kind of games who you can pull and fight with

[@tonikorhonen7687]

I am not surprised by this at all to be honest.

[@mara-e1b]

Little boys in gacha games are extremely rare. The only ones I know of are Voyager from FGO and Avgust from Reverse:1999. Meanwhile, little girls are a staple in gachas even in small numbers.

[@dragonkyuu]

@@mara-e1b reverse1999 mentioned! though id also argue for ezra and oliver fog, its also bothered me esp in games like genshin where they insist on making so many visually similar playable kids but blatantly dont even have little boys be significant npcs (caterpillar...barely counts) the only "kid boy" teased is the rooster from the fatui and he probably wont even be playable but its so funny to think the closest we have to a small boy is an old man whos a mayor

[@pinnacle4697]

I think i saw that diamond will be released in hsr too and he is a small kid

[@dragonkyuu]

@@pinnacle4697 oh yeah he was shown but Im still doubtful of the playability... the ipc have some reeaallly bad apples in there and its still possible theyd discard some of the chars in order to pass of the sins of the playables a bit. guess we can wait and see

[@WelfareWaifu]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw my hat into the ring here; It's not just because there's few men is the problem. You see this in a lot of Gacha games and to be honest the only ones that I've seen not do this is FGO and Limbus Company (Sleeper agents activate yes yes). The problem is mostly that Male characters are often treated poorly or less invested in market wise. Take in example Boothill from HSR. He was a male character that is written very well, but thrown out abruptly in the shadow of Firefly, a waifu character that was hyped to be your canon waifu for months. Naturally, people did not see him as well received initially because of what I just described, but he was a break character which would normally be absolutely meta defining. Except the problem was he was released literally one patch before Firefly, and Firefly was also a Break Character and had aoe capabilities and has element implant to ensure she can be taken into any team. Boothill got one trailer to himself before his release. Do you know how many Firefly had? At least 3-4. So a main thing for me that's frustrating is a lot of Male characters tend to have more nuance and well written backstories and aspects in my opinion, but when they get thrown under the bus like this they don't sell. And if they don't sell they rarely get reruns which makes it hard to get multiple copies if I actually like them. The Tl;dr of this. It's not a Husbando or not appealing to the female gaze problem, it's a "Not treating good characters well" problem.

[@TheGwilwileth]

Completely agree…

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

And too much of these occurrences end up giving birth to the "Men don't sell" narrative. No shi nga. Ofcourse they won't sell. You don't give'em a chance to. Love and Deepspace is a perfect example of how much men can sell if you give them enough breathing room. It's out there competing with Genshin and HSR ffs.

[@rin3484]

Well, the backstory of boothill you’re talking about wasn’t talked about in depth when he was released, but only after he was released. Not to mention his appearance is quite sudden you could say, since he appeared only like 1 patch before his actual release, so there wasn’t any time for hype in the first place. Not to mention that while his personality is cool and all, not everybody enjoys someone like that. And last of all, yeah, firefly was already teased in the livestream that showed about everyone who would participate in the charmony festival and she was a stellar hunter, a faction which already proved their great success with the previous releases being incredibly popular, like Kafka. So it’s kind of a mix of not getting enough time to build up a good amount of time, not having a personality that many enjoy and instead one that some people obsess after, his in-game kit which is incredibly good, but still a single target one, and also because Firefly was part of a fan favorite faction and when she was released, she already had not only a good backstory, with various cinematics that helped explore it, she was also a major part of the Penacony story. You could say this is exactly what you were talking about, but I see it as them having already decided a great character who’s a girl and them blaming them for not putting enough attention into a male character who’s coming next to her when they already planned everything in advance. It’s something like complaining that Acheron gets all the attention while other male characters gets none when the dev team was already designing her a year before her actual release.

[@WelfareWaifu]

@@rin3484 Alright that's very fair, but then look at Jiaoqiu, a male character introduced and released alongside Feixiao. They both had just as much relevance and screen time in 2.4-2.5. Again, look how much attention Feixiao got in comparison to Jiaoqiu and to twist the knife further they made Feixiao broken as a meta character while also nerfing Jiaoqiu to an insane degree. He's still good, but he's nothing meta defining like Feixiao is. The only difference is Feixiao may as well been the protag in 2.5, but I'd argue thanks to 2.4's March event that Jiaoqiu had more screen time overall and yet again he only got one trailer while Feixiao got 3.

[@RosensDragon2140]

As a girl WuWa player they gave us a free Yao and I pulled for 4 more. He's been my main since. It would be nice to roll with a full hot guy team that's good.

[@eyn801]

i even s6 r5 him he looks so good ingame like ???? while his drip marketing was questionable lol 😂

[@Okiegamer77]

@@eyn801 fr. I saw his face close up during the quest for the first time and I was in love. 😂 I also really like his demeanor.

[@eyn801]

@@Okiegamer77his eyes stare right into my soul that i accidently swipe my card 😂

[@echo3568]

Yea lowkey I kinda wish mortefi had a healer aspect but I’m sure we’ll get a hot male doctor support character soon

[@RejectedInch]

@@eyn801 i regret not doing the same, now i may have to wait 10 years before Yao re runs ( buried in the barrage of waifus) and by then the power creep may have rendered him useless. :(

[@Skypanda999]

not only girl gamer but my bros also want more cool or badass male character too, so you could try send feedback to Kuro and let them cook something up.

[@Skyrim_Thalia]

As a guy I don’t want more male characters I could care less

[@Skypanda999]

@@Skyrim_Thalia fair enough but if all banner are girl my wallet will be crying

[@RejectedInch]

@@Skyrim_Thalia as you don't care about basic grammar either.

[@WanshiLucidDreamer]

Atleast you were reasonable in this video. As a man, I want two men and one female character in my team. Fan services like show boobs during ult and it's less clothing on body is I really hate the most. Give me good looking, cool, fully dressed up meta 5 star mens which works with each other in one team. Sure I will play female characters team also cuz I'm a waifu lover. But a game shouldn't be about waifud alone. I don't like how much this game has glazing toward mc from female characters. It's just annoying and frustrating at this point. I can't bear it anymore

[@TheDevilEdo]

Gay

[@WanshiLucidDreamer]

@@TheDevilEdo Not More than your thoughts kiddo. That's for sure

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

​@@TheDevilEdoImagine calling Devil May Cry 5 players gay with literally all male playable cast . Or Red Dead Redemption players. Hell, Warhammer Space Marine 2 as well. This screams "I only play gacha" brainrot. Some of us prefer our women real and not pixels. I honestly think these people are mentally troubled. Perhaps you grew up lacking actual interaction with women hence you're not so well-adjusted and find your solace in pixel waifus instead of real ones.

[@stormdz7524]

I totally agree I don't want a game about collecting waifu I love drama but I also love action and fighting things should be equal this life I feel like I am simp weird ass since I started feeling the game going to fan service I was gonna increase my pity but I ended up getting shorekeeper which is naked some how now i gotta use it

[@gardevoirmaster5743]

I’m the same. I love the waifues in the game but I want and need more husbands. I don’t even care if their fully dressed, I would love if they show their abs and muscles and look really strong!!!

[@StanleyM-e5o]

Sunday will prove that male characters sell

[@lindthechaoticheretic8708]

What's on sunday?

[@madohiromi8128]

​@@lindthechaoticheretic8708 it's HSR character for next 2.7 patch

[@glebscheglov9291]

He'll never be as great as Acheron or Firefly were. Heck, even Seele on release.

[@marcosmoreno72]

Suuuure

[@bhavanshsingh2258]

The thing is his kit archetype isn't for right now meanwhile fugue is so there's high chance people won't be pulling for SUNDAY especially f2p and new players.​@@marcosmoreno72

[@mara-e1b]

I'd also like to point out that women are the majority of fan artists. There's not a lot of fanart for wuwa compared to other popular gacha games not only because it is new but also because the wuwa female fanbase is diminishing.

[@Who_is_Toast]

I don’t think ppl realize the lengths women will go to in order to get a hot male character once he’s done right. Sylus, from Love and Deepspace is a good example. He’s the reason the game made so much money. His character was basically the male equivalent of Yinlin. He’s a typical bad boy demon guy that flirts with us constantly and calls us sexy nicknames like kitten. That’s what women want! Me included, because I have to admit that even I spent money on LaDs when Sylus released even though I’d never done so before his release. It does sound a little cringy but basically what I’m trying to say is: women can also be gooners.

[@Moonfairy127]

lets not forget the MASSIVE marketing boost all the fan edits and fanart are. This is how you keep fandoms alive.

[@DesperadoFTW]

LaD is a female coomer bait slash borderline porn, wuwa can't do that as it's targeted to wider audience. Also no reason to bring in LaD's revenue that much - it's just one game for females against tens or hundreds of games for males. Ofc it'll accumulate the most female money in itself. Give it time until a lot of new "LaD"s are released, and it will all spread evenly. Also only Chinese revenue is high, global is pisspoor.

[@ousen3629]

Expired femcels are scary 😱

[@lyzellairoseanne5488]

Sylus' release basically revived a lot of players, and I've played since the end of February. I know that with the amount of Geshu Lin and Scar wanters, many will be rolling for them. I also know women who would have dipped deep into their funds to secure a character or to upgrade them to the best they can. People who only want female characters and are using the excuse of a majority of the fanbase are just people who don't know how demand works. Games can cater to different target audiences (as we see with the different love interests) to continue generating sales. Catering to only one will cause resentment, and unsatisfied players will leave.

[@Moonfairy127]

​@lyzellairoseanne5488 It's even worse when you consider we won't have to pay a single cent for Scar or Geshu Lin because we had MONTHS if not YEARS to save. Guys don't make as much because they are so spaced out that everyone gets them and their weapon for free. Also I found wuwas recently fanservice writing atrocious. Not every new female character needs to be our past gf we forgot. Are we a serial cheater or something. They really scare of women in order to quickly sell female characters better.

[@lyzellairoseanne5488]

8:24 As someone who plays all three games, it's exactly this. Love and Deepspace is a dating sim game, not a visually rich, openworld game where I can enjoy the combat. As much as I enjoy Genshin's characters, it doesn't have the light breath of fresh air I feel when I log into wuwa. Just as (generally speaking) male players want to see female characters, I, as a woman, want to see male characters. And I say that as someone who constantly plays with Jinhsi, Yinlin, and Shorekeeper. I love them, really. But I want to see more men. I'm eagerly waiting for Scar to release. I think it's unfair for people to discount the female population, and even men who want to see more male characters, just because they think men who want women are the largest audience. To me, it sounds like our voices don't matter just because we aren't the majority. Sound familiar? It should. That aside, I do hope they release more men. I'm still playing in hopes Scar leaves the basement someday.

[@tannieoclock]

when i started genshin i chose Lumine bc i didn't really put much thought into it. "i'm a girl, so i will choose the girl". but as i saw other games emerge from then, i always chose the male mc... just so i could feel like there's more than there actually are. Caelus, Wise, male Rover - their designs are so bland compared to their fem counterpart.... yet i will always choose them 💀 wuwa body and face models have a lot of potential... more than anything, i just want kuro to put the same amount of effort into male characters as their female characters.

[@crystellik]

I think the only reason people say the male character designs are bland compared to the female characters is purely because female characters are simply recognized as looking more attractive by literally every one, so their designs FEEL more unique. Absolutely Perfect example of this, Caelus. The difference between male and female design is that female trailblazer is wearing a skirt and I strongly doubt putting a skirt on Caelus would increase his appeal amongst the female player base. That is the only difference, but you mentioned him as if his design looks worse than the female Trailblazer's Design.

[@tannieoclock]

@@crystellik no design is bad, but one always feels like more effort was put into it than the other. i completely agree about Caelus and Stelle's designs not being much different. i don't even think one is worse than the other. the case is unique for the trailblazers because of this.

[@eyn801]

i really do want to love wuwa, while i can be patient with the lack of men everytime i tried to promote wuwa to my friends and colleagues the respose was always "is this a weeb coomer game?" and brush it off while i will still play it for my love of wuwa and pgr, i cannot help but also feeling resentment being treated as second class players with the male character barely got any marketing/care/costume/thoughts in general..... i just wish that they change, theres only so much i can endure before new titles came out that will give a damn about such issue and im not asking big, just 2:1, we can take turns spending on the banner both get to spend both get to rest, and i am not going to be ashamed promoting wuwa to general audience

[@nctcult]

real! especially when a lot of the changes [to the story] from the cbt has objectively compromised the game's storytelling to appease male fans. it's like our feedback isn't worth listening to ☹️

[@eyn801]

@@nctcult lets keep putting feedback on wanting males and see from there, if nothing happens by the end of 2.x,... well...........

[@book1840]

Me myself would love to have more cool or wacky woohoo male characters into the roster. But I don't think the game's gonna change to the way you may want. Kuro games' devs are cleary bunchs of talented weeb who made a game about what they love. Weeb coomer will always be a part of Wuwa but not all of it. Anyone who can't look past that I would not bother recommend the game to them anymore.

[@marcosmoreno72]

Now is it the game's fault that your friends are stupid retrogrades?

[@Waiting4G3shuLin]

absolutely! - i'm beginning to feel a little resentful too despite also LOVING this game

[@meowblaziken5634]

i rather the game go all female characters right from the start instead of creating 1 after 5-6 patches, so that i completely avoid playing this game. it honestly draining me out cuz of waiting for another one to come out.

[@krishaesena8817]

I see a lot of men angry and feeling threatened in this comment section. Why are you guys so scared of men in video games? If you dont know, there have been threats made by male fans towards several artists because they see something as 'pandering' to woman. Crazy how some still think the male fanbase aint crazy.

[@thedg2531]

I really really hope this game doesn’t turn into a waifu collector I wouldn’t be able to take it as serious

[@Oban2006]

Goodbye 👋 😅

[@antramonebullard4035]

​@@Oban2006lmfao fr

[@lesath7883]

All gachas naturally become waifu collector games.

[@marcosmoreno72]

Lol XD

[@Rpground]

Oh man...what a terrible thing that would be for a gacha game to want to make money.

[@jadecoolness101]

"I find it weird that your only reason for playing a game is a gender" what I find funny about this is that... well it's easy for a male gamer to say that because they're ALREADY catered to with abundant waifus. it's almost like when straight people go "why don't WE get a pride month" you... you are already catered to my guy. You don't have to even THINK about it, being pandered to is a DEFAULT. But it's not just the gender, it's the entire game. If a game lacks male characters, it lacks incentive for female players to play, in favor of incentive for male players. The game will cater to women-likers (presumed men) in more ways than just waifus, but having no men is the smoke before the fire. Not to mention, the more male that a fanbase is, the more actively hostile it is to female players. idk how this video will progress though, just listing thoughts before I continue. Also love and deepspace actually made more revenue than genshin AND star rail

[@jadecoolness101]

video finished. This is going to be long because I'm touching on a lot, but I'm not mad at op I promise it's not a long rant lmfao, pretty good character development tbh. As for the "go to genshin" point, genshin literally only released one guy in 2024, and it's a short male which some would view as a child. Much like how you omitted Lingyan or whatever the lion boy is in WuWa, Kinich (the only male 5 star this year) is a short boy. If we count 4 stars, there was also Sethos, another short boy. Genshin fanbase is 45% female and yet only roughly 30% male characters, it's a joke. I would bet Wuwa is about 40% female playerbase and dropping because... well.. there's nothing for them. I know I'm not invested anymore. I pretty much left because it's just... Waifu quest (boat woman) and then waifu quest (jinshi) and then a waifu quest (shorekeeper). They fooled us with the Jiyan banner first thing and then.... A bunch of nothing until Xiangli who was free and directly competes with Calcharo, so I pulled his weapon with free pulls... On that topic; The whole "waifus just sell" is such a BS argument I'm sorry. There are multiple reasons why it's BS -In genshin, Kokomi absolutely TANKED on her launch because people thought her kit sucked. Waifus aren't guaranteed sales, they need a decent kit too. With that said, look at the kits of male characters.... Of course they don't sell as well, they don't PERFORM as well in game! Jinshi is busted, and as OP even notes, Xiangli Yao cannot compare in terms of DPS. This is a common problem. In genshin, female characters like hu tao and raiden owned the meta until Neuvillette came along. In star rail, Firefly and Acheron (a waifu and a female character) own the meta. -as my earlier point, saving pulls. Of course men won't sell as well when you never release them. Lets just pretend Kuro didn't give Xiangli for free... female players could've pulled him for free anyways! The amount of time that we have between male characters releasing allows us to save up free currency and not need to spend as much, or spend nothing. If they released more males, we'd have the same problem men have with their waifus. I don't even play Wuwa (I completely skipped 1.1, I only popped back in in 1.3 to claim my free xiangli, and I'm gone again. I pulled Jiya, Xiangli's weapon, and Jiyan's weapon on this rerun, and I'm STILL completely ready with FREE currency for the next man. Haven't had to spend a dime. By the time they finally release Scar (who they CENSORED because whiny men complained about him) majority of female players will have enough free currency to pull him. -love and deepspace. the core problem is that these games have catered to the most fragile male playerbase, and they're sorta stuck. In genshin, in 2.x versions, we got Ayaka, Yoimiya, Sayu (a 4 star child), Raiden, Sara (a 4 star), and Kokomi all in a row in 2.0 and 2.1. Then in 2.2 and 2.3 we got Thoma (a 4 star), Itto, and Gorou (a 4 star). And men... collectively LOST THEIR MINDS. They were threatening to quit the game because a whopping THREE male characters were released in a row. Ignore the 5 (6 if you count the child) waifus that were just released in a row! SHHHH! Bear in mind, Ayaka and Raiden were meta-breaking, and Itto was.... well he's reliable. A lot of the male side of the fandom are accustomed to being pandered to, to the point that even 1/3 content for women feels unfair to them. It's insanity. It's hard to feel bad for these companies when insane men harass them because they knowingly target that demographic. The assassination attempt over bunny girls? Waifu obsessed men who can't handle "other men" seeing THEIR waifu in such an outfit. The Scaramouche cat-kiIIing? Waifu obsessed KID-LIKING men who were mad that scara is "stealing" their "waifu" Nahida. The misogyny hindenberg in korea? Waifu obsessed incel men who were convinced that feminists were working in hoyo and made Lyney to pander to women. The firefly incident? Waifu obsessed men who were mad that their waifu was based on another man's "irl waifu". When has their 45% female playerbase ever caused them issue? There's a clear pattern. There is no way these companies don't see the pattern, at this point it's a risk they knowingly accept. This isn't even touching on how female players make games more relevant. Honkai Impact third was relatively unknown, genshin absolutely BLEW UP, Star rail isn't as widespread but it's still pretty popular, the star rail and genshin fandom are closely intertwined... Wuwa had a foothold but I don't see it as much generally on the internet since it's launch. and where is ZZZ? Aside from Burnice memes and some rat girl, I'm not even seeing ZZZ ads. Don't see ZZZ fans on discord servers, etc. When you omit half the human population from your audience, you remove at least half the free advertisement.

[@Sagryl]

I agree. As a guy, I really think that catering just to men isn’t the best direction for a game, plus, not all of us want to play as underdressed anime girls all the time. I want my character to bear some resemblance to me, who is ANYTHING BUT a cutesy, wide eyed girl. I also want to have characters that I can aspire to be like, be it whether it comes to physique or their personality. I agree that it’s not a good idea to alienate half of your potential target audience, just to cater to a bunch of childish, self-absorbed incels with their tiny brains stored in their even tinier bits, who don’t leave their gaming chairs unless they get horrendously offended by a male character being released. I’d love for WuWa to have more female players, not only would it make the game more popular by bringing in more players, it would also make the existing fanbase more accepting of the opposite gender, which can only be a good thing. I have to admit, I’m very new to gacha games, WuWa is my first of the sort and I only started playing a month ago, so I’ve never heard of any of the incidents you mentioned, but is sounds crazier than I thought out there.

[@Moonfairy127]

​@jadecoolness101 I really like your comment but I think you could stretch the last point a bit more. Usually its female players who build the active day to day fandom communities on social media. They contribute vast amounts of fanart and they consistently tweet and interact with each other about game related content. There is a reason female interests like eg kpop and especially bts dominate social media. Nothing gives you more free advertisements than an active abd thriving female playerbase. On top you can also do it comfortably without angering the guys by " getting close" to their waifus. Many female gamers are perfectly happy with gay ships and related fanservice. It may even be a massive boost. Male characters dont have to interact with the female characters in just slightly non platonic ways. Also female players usually stay pretty loyal to their male favorites and just add to them. I have seen SO MANY cases of male players just completely dropping their favs for the next best thing. It also shows in how fast games based monstly on that drop on the half close to accurate monthly revenue reports. This includes entire games if another one has better fanservice and better waifus. You have to give your female players SOMETHING if you want long term viability.

[@marcosmoreno72]

What character in this game is half naked? Seriously, these guys really think that making their comment really long makes them sound less stupid. At this point, I genuinely think people are terrified of the bodies of fictional 2D girls and don't want to admit it.

[@Moonfairy127]

​@@marcosmoreno72 I think it heavily depends on where you come from. From a southeast asian perspective (eg Indonesia etc.) it may as well be. Not every place has equal views on clothing. Even here in europe you would get heavily judged if you walked around outside like that for non evening events. I think wuwa does a lot better than eg hsr but ig it all depends on peoples individual surroundings and viewpoints

[@teddyteddy4564]

Having a perspective that only women want male characters still contributes to the problem. I’m a guy and I’m upset that we don’t have as many male playable characters in the game. An over-consumption of “Waifus” isn’t a good thing either.

[@RazielEriel]

After the drip marketing for 2.0 we’re seeing that things will only get worse for male characters, out of 5 characters only one is going to be male, and that’s after three banners of only limited female characters…

[@SparklyTwinkleT0es]

between genshin wuwa and hsr ive noticed that hsr is the only one currently releasing male characters, genshin only has 1 confirmed five star guy, and wuwa hasnt had enough since launch, i love the girl characters (not in a weird way but like in a wow i love this characters gameplay and design way) i want more then xiangli yao jinyan and malerover but i guess its more saving for i6 scar for me

[@FBl]

Ororon is a 4 star yet he was more well received compared to Chasca, a 5 star. And meta wise, he is more likely to stay relevant. I just hope Ifa turns out to work well with him but knowing hoyo, they will be completely incompatible like Alhaitham and Kaveh.

[@srijonibardhan8083]

This is kind of true, but also a lot of coping. I genuinely like the male characters in HSR and collect them, but I don't feel starved even when they are spread very far in between because I also genuinely like the designs of the female characters there. They are not solely designed for the male gaze, so it does not feel as stark as in Wuwa.

[@cl13913]

@@srijonibardhan8083male characters are just way better written in genshin/hsr than wuwa

[@srijonibardhan8083]

@@cl13913 tbh WuWa characters are pretty much horribly written. They don't interact with ANYONE other than the protagonist, appear in one arc then disappear, have zero interpersonal relationships, and most of them don't appear in the story at all since the first patch. They only make story quests about the characters they're selling, so there's zero appearance of most of the 4*s in the entire roster till now. Which, I personally think is wild. It's like the world exists in a void where no one is connected to anyone and just exist to talk to the Rover and disappear forever.

[@FBl]

@@srijonibardhan8083 Omg this is so accurate. Like some players love NPCs like Zhiqiong, Jeht, and Hanachirusato and etc. Even Kosekimaru, a boat, was more memorable and had more personality than Wuwa’s playable characters.

[@ThisIsPampkin]

Geshu Lin gon save the game, trust.

[@AIA222-yu5ml]

I doubt the devs even know where in the shadow realm my man is 💀

[@marcosmoreno72]

Copium overdose

[@karolinabuba575]

We don't even need him, Scar would be enough and yet they put my man in the prison

[@lucifurbunny]

​@@karolinabuba575 Scar pretty much got out by now, remember by the end of mt. Firmament quest, Phrolova said time to go pick up a friend who is in captive

[@isobaramark7032]

Yeah, I believe scar and genshu Lin are going to make crazy bank, unless they somehow manage to mess up their kit...but I trust wuwa

[@smooflarkin]

I never pull a character based on gender. It's always the gameplay and general vibe. If all these coomer males can't handle seeing men, there are x rated games out there designed for you to "play" with your waifus. It's all kinda cringe tbh.

[@lunaticyoshi1]

"I never pull a character based on gender...YOU'RE COOMER IF YOU DON'T LIKE MEN!!!" It's cool if you're into guys, but calling people names for preferring females is cringe. Not to mention, lesbians do exist.

[@marcosmoreno72]

deam! the most insecure and forever alone man on the entire planet XD

[@TheDevilEdo]

Gay and incel lookong 😂

[@bencesilye4911]

@@lunaticyoshi1 You are not beating the "gatcha gamers can't read" allegations with this comment. I just wonder if you are trolling or simly have the reading comprehension of a 1st grader.

[@smooflarkin]

​@@lunaticyoshi1 You ok? You good? Seem pretty triggered. This is the cringe I was talking about. You're cringe.

[@alexs1803]

I love wuwa but being completely honest I will stop playing if the game will become another waifu collector

[@vnt8]

I like the girl characters being a girl itself who literally gasped when witnessing Changli , but then again i think one really big issue i have with them that causes me mental pain is just the PHYSICS they are given, it looks really bad and feels so uncomfortable, and another one being how they are designed, so many have open skin and are designed in such a way that to men its appealing but to me it feels violating, and the only female character other than the kids who I genuinely think was designed respectfully is Jinhsi and she is BEAUTIFUL . That was one thing I liked of the males, they are designed in a respectable way, and they really try to make them appealing by adding more and being creative rather than just chopping up some clothing in a sensitive area and calling it a day. They are just alot more pleasant to look at without feeling so uncomfortable, plus wuwu makes men GORGEOUS so its so sad i can't see more variety. So other than just the male issue, I also feel the designing of the females are becoming a problem, yes i get it can be appealing to men, but i believe if you design a female character with more creative elements like you would to a man, they would look so much better

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

Even without the female catering, people just want more cool and badass anime men to play as. Most of us grew up with strong anime male role models like Goku, Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy, etc. We wanted to be like them, but now, our dignity's gone so low we don't even value our gender anymore.

[@agungsuryo5395]

It's too late. Many female players already quitting. Probably female whaler too, who doesn't have much patient to wait several months just for one male character to release. Some female players do have tank motivation to keep playing wuwa only for Scar/Geshu Lin. It's not only character, but also story development who converting into common isekai harem adventure.

[@maya993]

I'mma be real with you, Camellya bothers me so much that I almost ragequit over her writing specifically. Her moveset is really neat, but I'll be damned if I'll pull for a character who moans suggestively in my ear every 30 seconds. People lost their god damn minds when I complained about this in a reddit thread. Some "well, actually" mfs were like "actually her story is really deep and tragic, you just don't GET IT." This is a horny character for gooners and I will not be convinced otherwise. The tragic backstory is "Quiet has to wear a bikini because she breathes through her skin" levels of absurd excuses.

[@aesraa800]

honestly, if it wasn’t for the fact i do enjoy playing wuwa i would have dropped. it’s not just about the fact they barely release any male characters, it’s also how they treat their female characters. so many of them are so close and touchy touchy with rover and say things with a very obvious meaning to them that’s either sexual or just being lovey dovey and i don’t like that. it’s like almost every patch now we have a date with a different female character. jinhsi, changli, shorekeeper, and soon camellya judging by the trailer. it’s so tiring and it makes me think clearly i’m not the targeted audience. i think wuwa has great potential, but this waifu thing shoved down my throat makes me just wanna leave and it’s honestly disappointing bc i truly love this game…

[@moon998]

That's what I thought since 1.0 I left the game after completing all of the main quest in 1.0 Recently coming back because of shorekeeper hype. The story get a bit better in Jinshi's arc but getting boring again in the shorekeeper one as they starting to shove another female character to be lovey dovey with the MC again and I kind of tired of it after playing Jinshi's story, Changli's story, and the shorekeeper. I hope they have much more creativity on putting out more dynamics between characters besides always worshipping and loving the MC

[@aesraa800]

@ it’s sad bc i think they won’t change this. it’s nth new for gacha games to go that route but i hate it nonetheless and think wuwa deserves to be treated better than this bc it has potential

[@blackgriphonofbastion]

the only reason female characters sell is because of the lack of male characters. i mean think abt it. all that time so save up on free in game currency and pulls in between the rarely made male banners vs the far too common female and yeah. people wonder why women sell better. because men are so few and far between that by the time one releases the people that want him will already have enough saved to get them.

[@deboltteamenlight3480]

I wanna play a character that I can identify myself with. And I am not a girl, so I wanna play male characters more. It should not be ignored that Chads also wanna play Chads.

[@MKIS_33]

"Husbandos" "wifus" are probably one of the weirdest things i have ever come across in video games so far. This is the second anime gacha game i ever played, first being PGR, which i played for 2 years and quit when wuwa came out. later on came to know that these terms are quite common in anime communities, still kinda weird to me lol. But the fact that someone can like a character purely because of them being male or female is still kinda hard for me to believe. But hopefully they balance things better in this regard, because they nail the character designs whichever it may be. I personally would like to see some "alien" looking characters to be honest, specially the TD theme based design. Tired of the pretty anime faces for every character.

[@KaloCu]

Aliens, monsters, beasts OMG PLEASE 🙏

[@LuckyUnlucky2]

I've been heavily into anime things for a long time, gatchas included, and it's still hard to accept the mentality of "gooners" (of both genders) despite the games I play and shows I watch being catered to them. Like one of my favorite gatchas scrapped an amazing male character just because the fanbase would be upset with it, then proceeded to remove all of the male logistics (basically serving the purpose of echos in WuWa but in the form a people), I could see the path it was going down and just couldn't stand to play it anymore, and last I saw it had basically turned into a softcore porn game. (Almost forgot they deleted an entire section of lore describing the friendship between two characters because the Chinese playerbase complained about how it felt like they were dating and their "wifu" was being taken from them, despite it just being a touching friendship.)

[@nctcult]

No one is refusing to play the game _simply_ because there aren't enough male characters. My friends and I have been playing that game since launch. Hell, I've spent a ton of money to S6 Jinshi and Changli! Female players are demoralised because our feedback isn't valued, especially by the community (e.g. saying, "Play LADS instead!" when we express that we want more male units). We're not asking devs to outnumber female characters, but at the very least deliver on the mixed-gender gacha game we're promised, or at least a 2:1 female to male ratio.

[@marcosmoreno72]

Oh! a tourist, I hope you are having a good time before you leave.

[@TheDevilEdo]

Tourist 😂

[@thedevil9442]

jiyan is great

[@TheGwilwileth]

He is. He is the only Character I actually paid to get when the game first started. Along with his weapon. Though I have stopped playing as of last week…

[@MrTyler7070]

its not just women alot of western dudes just cant bring themselves to play as a girl

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

@@MrTyler7070 it's not even westerners. I'm asian and I find the gender proportion so immersion-breaking in a writing stand point. To me, it's just bad world-building. HI3 has an excuse to primarily release valkyries but WuWa doesn't.

[@ttt5205]

@@hijodelsoldeoriente Hi3 has next to no female players anyways, or players at all...

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

@@ttt5205 Oofie, a female CC, plays both HI3 and WuWa actually, and she creates lore videos for both but she started with Genshin then HI3. But yeah, the male players are probably more than 70-90% of the entire player base if I have to guess.

[@marcosmoreno72]

@@MrTyler7070 so many languages ​​and you decided to speak the truth

[@Haruka6799]

​@@ttt5205what are you talking about? Most of the fanbase in HI3 is female players almost all of them are Yuri fangirls

[@itzybitzyboo2717]

i am a woman that plays wuthering, and while i am bisexual, it really is disappointing for the only males i really play to be jiyan and mortefi

[@Im_Tessa]

might be a good argument, couldnt make it make it past the 4 differnent "haha im misspeaking" withing a minute

[@astrogamerg2263]

Thank you for saying this after YinLin we will get 2 more female resonators and then we will get a male but 2 more before a male is crazy

[@Waiting4G3shuLin]

I took a screen shot of the image 7 males vs 17 females and sent it to Kuro via the in-game feedback, politely requesting more male resonators. I also mention this in all the surveys I complete. We know they listen - so just gotta keep asking I guess. It's a truly amazing game - but the ratio is just not fair for those of us who enjoy the men

[@Okiegamer77]

Girl here. I love WuWa and I love my female characters, but also love playing the male characters. Especially the badass male characters in WuWa. I love all of them. I'm sorry, but compared to Genshin male characters they are so much better. Genshin males are almost all little boys. I don't want to play little boys. I literally only play Bennet because he's so recommended. I don't like his animations. I don't really like his design. I don't like his boyish figure. I don't even like the way he feels to play. I only like his heals.

[@TheGwilwileth]

Well I love some of the tall male Characters in Genshin. The lore and the VA’s have done a wonderful job. No Character, in any game will have my heart like Neuvillette does. Am also looking forward to Sunday on HSR. Again it is down to Characterization, lore and personality. As well as kit and effectiveness. Kazuha may be a shorter model, but he is an old soul and I adore his Character.

[@shian4803]

I do NOT accept any LingYang slander, APOLOGIZE NOW

[@KaloCu]

Sorry 😞 Forgive me 🙏

[@Sagryl]

I don’t count Lingyang as a guy, femboys don’t qualify in my book.

[@b0kunol]

So many ignorant men in the comments repeating the same thing, it has to be rage bait at this point, it’s insane lmao.

[@lia-zu9lj]

I compared the three games, hsr +wuwa and genshin and the results were as follows: genshin: Natalan Three male characters :kinich + Captain + ororon= not bad Not good average performance HSR:moze +sunday+ Jiaoqiu+ mr reca= Wow🙏🏻😭 they know how to feed hungry male character lovers well Vive la hsr🥳 wuwa: 🌚 Haha I compared according to the latest characters that came in each latest update for each game.

[@dragonkyuu]

I would rather compare the ratio of females to males, games like hsr can be good but they have been overbalanced for a while before sundays drip marketing, and characters like capitano (uh...leaks spoiler) wont be playable in the whole of natlan + its suggested that the only playable fatui (so far as we know) will be sandrone which will hopefully change as we go but not looking as good. if you count capitano then also count scar and geshulin for wuwa I think, results wont change that much

[@lia-zu9lj]

@dragonkyuu this is your personal opinion and I respect it but hsr is better than wuthering waves in the number of male characters🤷🏻

[@dragonkyuu]

@@lia-zu9lj oh mb, I probably wasnt clear enough originally, I agree with what you said lol hsr is definitely the best out of the major ones. was just saying the comparison wasnt entirely accurate but regardless the conclusion is the same!

[@TehBurrito77]

It is a problem for the game but not a big one, at least not yet. As a guy, even though I prefer playing female characters, I would like to play a strong masculine Male character every now and then.

[@razornad1299]

I dont know why this is a problem in wuwa but not a problem with other gacha games

[@syedajafrin7753]

imma go and cry in a corner because of this absolute DROUGHT of male babies

[@AerynO.]

I tried Genshin, but I couldn't be active on it when it started. Now I just have this feeling "There's too much content" and the fact that ascending characters needs ressources from regions I'll reach in months... That's a concept I like and dislike at the same time. I relaunched the game and pulled some characters but I know I won't be able to play them without tryharding my *ss to find out they're not that strong... Nuh uh I gave up. At least in Wuwa I can play it from the start and hate my life (the inferno rider too) as much as I want ! 😇

[@gwanetayla7683]

😆

[@casuallycruelx]

i'm a bise*ual woman that actually prefers the female characters overall buuut i'd still die for a vampire-like looking dude with long black hair and red eyes. the only male character i find hot so far is calcharo. ❤

[@casuallycruelx]

ok, well, no, i kinda crush on aalto due to his personality

[@Yaharsha]

​@@casuallycruelx not the "wee!!" Man😂 But explain this pls I HAVE 0 PITY ON BOTH BANNERS weapon and character, and i want camelya😢

[@bacongod5759]

Play Honkai star rail if you haven't they have a character called blade and he semi fits the vibe (im a huge blade fan)

[@Yaharsha]

@@bacongod5759 play a game from a company that made me lose 3 50/50 in a row🙃 No

[@maya993]

This video showing up in my recommendations right after we had an event with 0 male characters involved, a new character who moans like she's nutting every 30 seconds, 4 new female characters announced, and one (1) new male one announced. Hahaha. This sucks, man.

[@sylviagerlach2579]

Yes, it's a real shame that we have so few male characters. I hope Wuwa catches up. It doesn't have to be 50/50, but a little more than at the moment, please. They have what it takes to create absolutely phenomenal male characters. I hope they do it soon. A really crazy idea. Make 2 character banners every patch. One female and one male. But the kits have to be just as good and give everyone a great story, then it will work. I just hope that we don't get such a crazy player base as in other Gatchas. Then we'll end up with only children and teens like in GI.

[@eyn801]

i would take 1 men per 2 women easily, im scared if they will go the pgr (their other game) route where last year we got 1 men per 8 women, last year it was 1 per 6

[@luciomariogaldinodasilvalu4769]

Don't forget we male players who loves to have only male (20% female) 5 star in the account 😢

[@jerryw8242]

2:1 is a good ratio.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

Yeah, agreed. Which was pretty close to the 1.0 ratio in WuWa, actually. However, after that... Between patches 1.1 and 1.4 we are getting a total of 7 female characters and 1 male, which was given out for free. And looks like 2.0 will have no male characters either. ^^; (I won't complain about a free character, especially when he is so good. But some male character enjoyers seem to be hoarding A LOT of pulls since Jiyan, because there aren't many characters who appeal to them. I just hope this doesn't affect sales too much. It would kinda suck if male banners didn't make as much money because the players most willing to pull have either quit the game, or hoarded so many asterite that they have little reason to spend.)

[@vontecontroll1556]

​@@joaomarcoscosta4647 i doubt it when im thinking a action game im not thinking a full on female audience and not to say their arnt any girls who play wuwa, but im sure there are way more guys playing. I dont think the male character thing is a problem. Although the cn community is very vitriolic and toxic so they might be trying to stop aany assassination attempts on their selves cause the cn community will do it.

[@salimpradhan3248]

i kinda wish they drop more male char so i can sav for female char. my life is so sad with so little pulls left on me .

[@xbac0n558]

why not 1:1?

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@xbac0n558 Female characters are generally more popular, it seems.

[@Courtzz_e]

I’m a bi girl and I’m not here for groonibg over characters ye I love all the female characters but the lack of male is a problem

[@diokosa7001]

Sadly the problem is most likely not going to get fixed. I play pgr also and majority of the units there, at least the meta S ranks are all female with 3 units being the exception soon to be 2 with fire Lucia release. It's a shame. That said I have heard of leaks of a possible Fusion male character he might be released in patch 2.1. 3 months away... Oh.

[@The_Rum]

I know people wants more male characters in WW but unfortunately it won't happen over a month or two. At the very least it takes 6 months to a year before it releases. From concept to reality. Given the fact that the animation in WW is quite remarkable, i can imagine it took a character like Jinhsi a year before shes fully ready. I know people will probably say "just throw money at it" but it's not that simple. You have to take account a person's workflow. Anyone who's in a creative environment know, you can't rush art. Anyway, this from my experience being a QA for a game, albeit small and very niche.

[@whatabother2001]

Yeah, it won't happen in just 2 months, but if we start speaking up now, then the waiting time in the future will be shorter right?

[@Iwantapookie]

I need more deek

[@whatabother2001]

As the survey time is nearing and this issue is also rising, I'm imploring everyone to please help address this matter in the feedback 😭🙏

[@krishaesena8817]

And give men character variations!!!! It's either gun or sword, it's getting boring.

[@TRak598]

Hey! Yuanwu is one of the best 4 stars. And Mortefi is Jiyan's best team mate, plus he has plenty of story relevance. But yeah, 7 characters is still too few, and then two of them are barely usable (with one being a goddamn 5 star), while female characters all have their place in the meta...

[@meganox2056]

that's why i expect the male characters in 2.1 and so

[@0nepotential]

I wouldn’t worry about it too much, we just gotta let the devs cook since they are still trying to establish the world building in this game. Besides, the devs are keenly in tune with their fan base, they are quick to drop QoL updates, sales are going strong and the game is recently new.

[@ballchopper3000]

I love all the female characters theyre absolutely gorgeous, I wish there were more male ones though…It’d be more fair for the ratio to be equal. Another thing is, as someone who loves reading the lore It’s confusing how many male characters are left out from the main story. It just feels strange to me and unfair to those players that joined the game mainly bc of characters like Jiyan or Calcharo when the game was being launched. Saying all this as a lesbian, while I have no problem with there being a lot of female characters I hope Kuro listens more to the non CN fanbase soon and everyone can be happy with the game❤

[@Sakura-qp3sv]

I am a girl but i love playing as the female characters so i have kind of been rejoicing love my male characters and all but id rather be a cute magical princess the male characters that have been teased so far have been pretty cool though

[@LeoNurHamido]

AGREEEEE!! Please more Men, so i can save asterite

[@sheba021]

Doesn't HSR have like 4-5 male characters in their top 10 most sold banners?

[@dragonkyuu]

im personally more bothered that wuwa keeps releasing the same archetype to replace what we have... NO reason to having xiangli yao replace calcharos archetype, changli to compete with encore, shorekeeper to completely replace verina... new rumored male char to compete with jiyan. why cant they be different elements or vastly different gameplay styles? verina was overpowered as hell shorekeeper didnt need to not only be a "better healer" but ALSO the same element. completely unnecessary. wheres our 5 star mortefi or another ice male or defensive unit or buffer like zhezhi feels so weird to have almost every single permanent character be powercrept by the limiteds not even half a year into the game idek. cant they have started doing that once there was more variety in the game? even geshulin looks electric and if he is there would be way too many electrics imo

[@TheGwilwileth]

I started WuWa day one. Paid to get Jiyan and his weapon….had kept up with the main story until this current patch. Have been very disappointed with the tiny amount of good, well designed tall male Characters. Uninstalled the game last week. Once a game begins doing whatever a small minority players want, the game will not grow. It is a myth that male Characters won’t sell. If a game invests the same amount of effort into Character design and kit….they will sell. Don’t put in that effort they won’t sell. Um I love my tall males in Genshin. As well as HSR….lets not go there ok.

[@cl13913]

Just uninstalled after thinking it for a while, might come back when bulante is released (already have enough to pull him). After looking at leaks, its still looking bad so :c

[@princeata6335]

Ok but like what is the differences between genshin and wuwa with the man, genshin literally just have one man in 5.0 and they call it a day, wuwa has two, both of them bad so I don't get the genshin comparison?

[@suss8644]

I do agree that too much fan service and female character ratio over male is not good and unfair with those who wants more variety for male characters Well, we are talking about Kurogames, I'm sure they'll do something about that. As someone in this comment section said, they might be trying to estabilish themselves first with huge sales on female characters banners. They most likely know that players do want more male characters. It's been about 5 months since th game released, i think they have established themselves already. It's possible that we'll see more male characters in the 2.0+ and beyond. Kuro won't disappoint the players, its a matter of time until the male/female characters ratio balance.

[@eyn801]

sorry to say as a day 1 player of pgr im seeing a horrible pattern here, pgr starts the same like wuwa, the s rank/5 star ratio on release is 2 vs 3, reasonable right? on the first year is 1 vs 6 and on second year? 1 vs 8 if we just wait and "let them cook" its going to be too late when the playerbase that do care already gone, i do not wish wuwa to get buried like pgr because its becoming waifu collector, yes it makes money, yes its not going to eos, but at what cost

[@wickedlilservant3186]

Sadly no male characters for 2.0 as well but the whole 2.1 should be an update for male characters🗿

[@yansantos7707]

Since zengzhi I'm saving for the next male character, and when I realise that the next version the new ones are all woman I felt someway displeased....

[@the_only_crow1036]

I just want my male to female ratios to be equal! 😭 I don’t want more males or more females! Just both equally same! 😭😭

[@zrp4555]

man i am hyped for camellya and lumi but wuwas designs for male characters are phenomenal so im really sad we arent getting more of them we may have gotten yao for free but i still pulled his weapon...

[@vengeancewillbemine2104]

if theres not gonna be any male character on upcoming patches, for sure i will drop this game

[@RejectedInch]

Plenty of guys too that like to play male characters for many reasons, aesthetics, utility and skill kits come to mind. We'll see what Kuro does, but so far they're missing quite a big chunk of market and there are plenty of waifu generators already to compete with.

[@adrus63790]

Money talks. As long as female characters are more popular than male ones (in this game), this tendency will keep going. If not, then the ratio will balance itself out over time. It's up to the audience to vote with the wallet, personally, I know a lot more people (of both genders) that prefer the female characters.

[@eyn801]

i do understand but the fact is, the men was never on same playing fields vs the females, the amount of resource in the game, the amount of writing in the lore, the drip marketing, beside jiyan, we only have xiangli yao which people call npc until the day of his release because the awful drip marketing, he only appear in a filler event festival patch, and so far was not seen elsewhere, changli and jinshi has their arc in the 1.1 main story and a companion quest, lets not forget the all out marketing for shorekeeper, camellya being heavily involved with the black shores later in 1.4, her companion quest, and i saw a vid about her song leak in 2 languages jiyan was very unfortunate to be released on a terrible start with the game being buggy, his weapon mistranslation, and his rerun being squished in between shore and camellya calcharo was cool but his kit was crippled on launch, and directly powercreeped in just 2 patch when the level of care and effort was not on the same playing field its obvious that its going to tank lets not forget the scarcity, they are so stretched in between that when you do get male you already have 3-4 month of ingame free currency saved up, theres less reason to even spend by that point 😔 and im not talking out of my ass here since i play pgr since launch, i know whats going to happen sadly enough

[@adrus63790]

@@eyn801 Mostly, I kind of agree. But, when Jiyan was on full display on what most people think is the best part of the main quest/act, lots of people still skipped because of Yinlin. A character with no background, whose mission even after dropped still left to be desired. The "hot femme fatale" aesthetic was enough to reduce Jiyan's hype. And Im not saying Jiyan didn't sell well, he did. His contribution was great, felt heroic on main quest, even deeper on his story quest. But Im certain that, if he was a she, his numbers would have looked a lot better. Im totally open to more fleshed out male focused quest. Hope Scar or Geshu Lin get good treatment, villainesque males tend to do a bit better sales-wise.

[@eyn801]

@@adrus63790 "beside jiyan" his problem is a bit nuanced tbh the game has a very rough start, people keep getting crashed, bad optimization to even play, bad EN va direction, not to mention the horrible first 4 acts they didnt get to reach the jiyan peak at 5-6 before dropping the game completely/skipping the story, not to mention his weapon mistranslation fiasco, people was still on the fence of playing/not playing wuwa with the game on that state and i wouldnt say yinlin was out of nowhere she is out with jiyan since the very first beta and was already hyped up, she might not appear in the current main arc but before she kinda did like everyone else before that got scrapped if jiyan were to be a she would his numbers be better? probably, but its different kind of numbers, if the game made him a woman people would see wuwa as an honkai impact open world or snowbreak, the general audience/female players wont even bother downloading in the first place so...... the frustrations stems from the game launched as a mostly balanced ratio into heavily skewed one had the game launched as all/mostly female cast, the playerbase would be different and they wont even bother to download it in the first place since its different type of game, i know i wouldnt even download it if jiyan were to be a female :/ theres a reason why the player count is dwindling, almost all my female players on hiatus/drop the game until they see another men being up, not just female, males also drops it because while they do like females, playing all/mostly female game would fall into a "coomer" in which such game would have different direction than the game they want to play all/mostly female games have smaller playerbase hence why the male bait at launch not just wuwa, zzz which already had terrible ratio at launch were also being dropped by some due to the same reasons, the general playerbase will not like a "coomer" game, wuwa is being heavily carried by its gameplay and graphics for now but with how everything goes.... they need to do something 😔 its already being branded as bad with "gathering wife the dating simulator" and "menless zone zero" will they eos? no. will they make money? yes. but for sure they will have a smaller playerbase since these kind of game is niche and oversaturated to begin with

[@adrus63790]

@@eyn801 Im fine with a smaller playerbase. My guess is, Kuro will probably test the waters again and drop male characters to see how well they do. That's where the vote-with-wallet part comes in. As long as they do their part, we should also do ours and show interest. Not via social media, but by spending and wishing/playing them. If the interest of that playerbase doesn't outweight the rest, then, it is what it is. Im fine with current ratio, wouldnt mind if it changed a bit.

[@DzinaPiorun]

@@adrus63790 And there is something that is worth mentioning, sexapil of character from psychological point of view plays important role in players choice, and I'm sorry to say that but males in WuWa have nothing like this, they are all mostly dressed up in fully covering clothes and they don't flirt with mc, which makes them less appealing, and less likely to be desired. In short males don't have enough fan service XD, at least this is what I think, not to mention lack of diversity and numbers.

[@goldi7965]

As a c1? (I forget the proper name) lingyang with the standard 5 star weapon for him, and max friendship, I just want to say, he’s cute but he honestly sucks

[@MrJakeros]

Don't invalidate your point from the last video. You had a good point about being fine with things as they were. Don't take on problems that are not your own. Leave that for people who genuinely have reason to be upset. Do not become one of them.

[@YutaNaqvi]

Thank God I chose male rover, even though I wanted to go with female rover at first. Having him, Yao, and Jiyan on my teams makes it feel extremely balanced. I personally think we need someone like a Genshin Impact bennet in WuWa or a male verina. We already have Jihnsi, Changli, Chixia, Encore, Sanhua, Danjin, for some great attacks and sub-dps, but on the male side we have Jiyan, Calcium, Yao, and Rover, and maybe Mortefi or Yuanwu (the rest are below average) We need male sub-dps and at least a male Jihnsi (Maybe lower than her, because we had something like Eula in Genshin touching the damage ceiling, and Jihnsi or a future character can be that)

[@crunchycres]

I totally understand this debate and I'd definitely be here for more male characters! But, I must also admit, I didn't even notice this was an issue until one of my female friends pointed it out to me. Cuz, even though I'm a female heterosexual player, I reaaally like the female characters in this game - and I put more focus on gameplay and story rather than what gender the characters are. Still, I totally get that this seems to be very annoying to a vast majority of the female playerbase, so I too would be happy to see more male characters for sure. Also, I just have one more point to add to the "Female Character Banners generate more money for the company"- argument: While that is true overall (since the male playerbase still is the dominating half), there's also an aspect some people tend to forget - The more female characters release one on one, banner after banner, the less time the dudes have to save up and therefore need to spend money to get the desired female character. On the other hand, the female players (at least the once who prefer pulling for male characters more) are more likely to skip female character banners and have a lot of time to save up between male character banners. This results in male character banners generating less money, since most of the female players have less of a reason to pay money... cuz they had so much time so save up anyway. If male characters released more frequently, I'm pretty sure they'd generate at least just as much as the female character banners.

[@zydeox1221]

When I see a male character release it's time to save up on currency. Unless it's kazuha. When I got him It dawned on me how miserable genshin was without him.

[@WayneZvidza-qh2dp]

This is a leak, so look if you want I heard that there's gonna be teo male characters in 2.1 one is some kind of pirate

[@deadbob5514]

2.1 is a 5* and a 4* and we HAD a character design leaked for both, and the 5* was the male pirate and the 4* was female; but then the design files for the 4* disappeared entirely.. The leaks indicate that they are redesigning the 4* and switching them from Female to Male, which does NOT surprise me at all as a decision

[@MArgusChopinGyver]

we need more male character because that's the only way I can save my astrite!

[@AIA222-yu5ml]

And I need more male characters to spend my astrites. I have 200 pulls with nothing to spend them on.

[@antramonebullard4035]

Lmfap yall think to much into it

[@eyn801]

you get to rest we get to spend its a win win situation 🎉

[@marcosmoreno72]

the only honest answer

[@kami6543]

I agree, but because I need something to spend already, if the first gacha game where Im skipping full versions

[@xbac0n558]

I hate how WuWa shoots themselves in their foot. Not making male characters at all for months = players saving enough astrites so they don't spend money for male characters = Kuro is mad that players don't spend on their banners??? It's their own fault lmao

[@rohanbob5157]

me who only pull for females

[@neanahidden]

A CC who broadens their views? Wow. The last one wasn’t really that bad but it’s nice to be heard. You definitely levelled up :) (Heh. Should someone say that Genshin had 12 months of releasing only female 5stars and after one new male 5star there aren’t any more even teased for whole Natlan. GI has almost turned into Honkai impact.)

[@rave012]

honestly i dropped wuwa bcos i got tired of waiting for geshulin. also dropped sla bcos they kept releasing not plot related female characters. and yes i do contribute in the love and deepspace revenue lmfao just give us more males it's not that hard i promise

[@shionaurelius2780]

poor lil Lingyang just gettin X'd out of the male list 7u7 but, i know, hes a furry, but still hes by the green line of just cute ears n tail of Lionboi and, welp, i hope to see a catboi, foxyboi, doggyboi n bunnyboi at some time... gather them together in a room... lock us inside it, send the key to the shadowrealm and... happy times! till someone notices weve been missing for cuthulu knows how long and go looking for us =u= also btw Lingyang is quite the fun his punching is very satisfying (i like punching lizards with his Na stage 4 its verry funny) and his aerials make him pretty imune to some enemy attacks and let him reach the normally outtareach boss special attack animations but he only gits gud at muuuch higer chain levels namely 3+

[@eyn801]

its probably because hes a shota so we dont include him in the men category but rather boys 😅

[@lightnbrightt]

i was upset about this as well it got really annoying and i prefer to play guys i dont wanna coom constantly i like being a guy in games and its nice having a balance in these games

[@cl13913]

the problem is that, even if genshin/hsr have a bad gender ratio too (and worse male designs, tho this is subjective), male characters are treated WAY better; they’re important to the story, have interesting lore, and sometimes a good kit (look at neuvillette). In wuwa male characters are very few and aren’t important to the story at all: - Calcharo doesn’t have a story yet -Aalto appears very little during the black shore quests - Mortefi barely appears in the story -Lingyang only has his story quest, on the main quests he’s nowhere to be found. - Xiangli Yao only appears on an event that’s no longer available - Even Jiyan time on the main quests is very short too -Geshu and Scar are characters that people want but Kuro is letting their hype die and they’re not on any close leaks, maybe next year if we’re lucky, we don’t even know how far they are (this didn’t happen with Camellya and Phrolova, we know they’re coming) Players say wuwa male characters are better than Genshin’s cuz “they’re tough and manly” but… the truth is that they’re worse because of the treatment they get: it’s not just about quantity, the quality of the content around them is lacking too, a good design is not everything

[@princeata6335]

Jiyan along side Rover is the main character in 1.0, Scar is the main Villen in Wuwa, and the game you mentioned has years to cook with thire characters and not just released, so your statement is completely wrong.

[@ShadowFri3nd]

Welp atleast i can cope playing a loooot more of Space Marine 2, ik its a whole different game genre but i crave for more Testosterone in gaming in general like the old days (less woke from the west, less coomer from the east).

[@maxwelllightning4133]

Guys calm down, I think these character are already in the making when the game release, even if they listen to the recent complain about male character it not like they can magically whip one up immediately let alone release the banner or the patch which have them

[@Rin-ash]

Well.. Have u seen 2.0 characters 🙂

[@Hoontarius]

I mean, it makes logical sense for them to still cater towards their larger playerbase that are male, yes a LOT of girls play games and exist, and yes they should be catered to, but at the end of the day this game is still a gacha game (I will be it, one of the best ones, my personal favorite), Love and Deepspace is proof that it can work if you make one for girls too, but there is a reason it is the way it is, would be interesting to see if a future male character shows different results tho

[@Hoontarius]

It would be very interesting to see if they equalized it how it affects them financially too because if we got more male characters frequently it would give those who dont want them time to save currency and possibly need to spend less if at all

[@jadecoolness101]

@@Hoontarius but the reverse is true as well. If they released more male characters, people who pull males would have less time to save

[@CrowUIO]

my take that this will not become a waifu simulator in the future since it's still on 1.3 they can't just bring out all the male/female characters they have and it'll effect they story progression of the game, I guess just be patient we still haven't reached the 1 year mark

[@Tomil4444]

mortefi is just made for jiyan playing jiyan without morf feels weird and weak while yuanwu is really great for jinshi i like his idle animations but yeah he is weak too but can be used while u w8 for zhezhi while aalto being most appelying for womans in most cases is for ppl who really want to make him work but overall he is really mid character in lore and his gameplay also is weak

[@daina012]

Barely used 4 stars? Dude? Have you seen how many teams use Morteffi?

[@KaloCu]

No tbh just ignore that part I'm dumb af

[@madohiromi8128]

I hope wuwa doesn't turn into brown dust 2. Just watch HSR's sunday drip market and LaD.

[@Packirup1234]

Brave of you to insult lingyang in my algorithm

[@KaloCu]

Sorry I was not familiar with Linyangs dedicated fans please forgive me 🙏

[@delmer7796]

Nah, i don't care about character gender as long that character is well written.For example, some gacha games (honkai 3rd, nikke) do a good job of telling a good story without playable male characters.

[@pineappled]

As a female playing this game, I agree, Idm playing a self-insert female (lol, don't judge), but I think it's rather unfair, and as many say, it's not like the males won't get any pulls from male players, and from a company like Kuro, I can only say "bruh" I also play Love and Deepspace, but it's not the same, it doesn't have the action of Wuthering, which is fair, I mean, it's a mobile game... (Genshin has over the years become more sh*tty, I mean, why would you) Great to see more people addressing the male issue of Wuthering, hope they will listen :))

[@antibspyu]

as a girl.. I actually prefer playing as powerful female characters so I didn't have any problem with the lack of males. I would rarely want to play as a guy for any game. Even for other games like valorant/ league I rather play as girl agents with "girly" skins and girl champions with "girly" skins. But I do get the importance for having more variety of male characters people can play.

[@user-ht2mk5hk8l]

maygi effect...is bringing up lad...kind of...funny 🙂

[@ywzgbf972]

Those who want male chara better give feedback to KURO. If there lot of them then maybe KURO will add them faster. But then again ussually it will take a while even if KURO doing it right now.

[@simplyhaniya]

2:19 LMAOOOOOO HELP