Icarus director Bryan Fogel on The Forward with Lance Armstrong

Bryan talks with Lance about his original intention for his film, how he got to know Grigory Rodchenkov and how Russia circumvented the drug testing process at the Sochi Games.

[@fernandoccintra]

Man how does this have just 75k views? This interview is actually gold for all it touches - from Lance talking so openly about it and the whole insane plot Icarus covers. Just WOW

[@aleksandrmykhailov5087]

Cause, nobody cares about Lance anymore

[@uberkloden]

@@aleksandrmykhailov5087Really? Are you a nobody.

[@frederickhartray9701]

@@aleksandrmykhailov5087 You have to admit the hypocrisy of these two cheats talking about others doping is humorous.

[@horse-4598]

No clickbait title. Boring thumbnail

[@jamskof]

so good to see lance talking about all this so candidly! AWESOME!

[@imranvp]

Yeah exactly. Lance can easily be a credit to the community and the sporting world at large if he explains the ins and outs of getting around the system with doping, so we could possibly avoid or catch future cheaters. Coz who would know better than him right? This was an amazing interview! Great to see Lance being candid like that!

[@Gkuljian]

Fascinating. I've been waiting for this interview. Can't wait to see the movie.

[@Swoll1231]

G Kuljian great movie

[@johnnyguzman3429]

Thanks for bringing in such an important story to your podcast.

[@robroberts1473]

This channel is quickly becoming my favorite channel

[@flaviobbq]

Fantastic interview. I can’t wait for part 2.

[@Pawcioook]

Many thanks for this interview 😎

[@tuco5739]

Lance incredible documentary! I was glued to the tv! I hope Gregory is doing well somewhere in the US.

[@revelution3658]

How am I just now seeing lance Armstrong on a podcast?! Best believe Ive got a new podcast to listen to

[@Limitless_Flowers]

This documentary is mind blowing!! Grigory was soo charming and funny in the documentary !!

[@alanp8724]

freaking amazing!! great backstory to icarus.

[@hedleykerr3564]

Anybody who has watched the movie and then viewed this podcast should go back and watch the movie(Icarus) again you will have much better clarity!

[@martblore]

A great documentary, and a great pod-versation 👌

[@shawndoran2879]

Stumbled on this... awesome!

[@MFries1]

Boost your overall levels, please :) Esp. on audio for podcast (if it's not the same as video). I've listened to every podcast, and they've been absolutely fantastic! guests are incredible and every single one has been enjoyable, but just boost the db's!

[@galeiras]

Best podcast in the world!!! Go Lance!

[@KurtMcDowellOKC]

I watched the movie last night after seeing this interview. Riveting, intriguing, and deflating! I can't see an end to the 'better living through chemistry' mindset among individuals, teams, or countries.

[@sirdelrio]

Michael Phelps says he 'never competed in a clean field once'. He's talking about himself.

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Brilliant & fascinating.

[@AndriyHrn]

Awesome interview and great documentary, Bryan. Greetings from Ukraine :)

[@thunderpooch]

It was an entertaining documentary, but the drama was all fabricated. He already knew Grigory and was tipped off that he was going down. The whole doping protocol was to fool viewers into thinking that he just so happened to fall into the greatest doping scandal ever.

[@RobbieLeffel]

How uncomfortable is that table for Bryan?!

[@vd2597]

F-that. Bryan knows what lance had to do because of the simple nature of the sport.

[@flyingface]

Wow, incredible podcast

[@tonyhernandez5283]

"Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy" >bill burr

[@beeboopbeebop9316]

Rf

[@urin1337]

i think fogel missed a shot here. lance was really open and wanted to talk about everything. dont get me wrong - this is great, but it couldve been much more.

[@chuckie102883]

He was being interviewed not the other way around

[@joerossa1112]

Lance is in so much better shape today than 5 years ago.

[@dakiblabla]

Ha ha when he was explaining how Portugalov turned Gregory in he should have said - you know, like you did to Tyler...

[@bigtasty8401]

I mean, Armstrong was only proven to be doping (even after confessing) when his teammates ratted on him. I'm not sure what role anyone played in that but yea, it goes around.

[@dakiblabla]

@@bigtasty8401 I was referring to the incident when Armstrong reported on Tyler Hamilton for doping after Tyler refused to let him win some race. Tyler went ahead and won despite being "warned", the next day Armstrong reported him for doping, even though they were literally doping together. This was before Armstrong's doping was known outside the team. Tyler's interviews about that era are super interesting and highly recommended, as well as Floyd Landis'.

[@bigtasty8401]

@@dakiblabla Yea, questionable morals on behalf of all of them. I'm not saying Armstrong is innocent of wrong doing, just that all of them are pointing fingers. That's what happens when you're all guilty.

[@NicholasStewartfilms]

That Dr Ferrari quote ! 😂😂

[@lpr5269]

"All you need is the RED CELLS."(with an Italian Accent) That's totally true by the way. It doesn't matter how much muscle you have. If you don't have enough oxygen going to your muscles it all shuts down.

[@yungskwad4449]

Paul y yessir

[@vinylvipress5529]

Icarus is mind blowing!

[@MS-un9zq]

excellent movie/docu

[@yungskwad4449]

bryan cant keep that smile inside fanboying

[@MsFrogster1]

a brilliant movie, total respect for Grigory honestly. watched it several times as there is so much you can miss. "there's always a defense 😂😂"

[@franciscopontesvelasco4315]

It would be great to see an interview with Chris Horner or Contador, Indurain, etc

[@tedlast4896]

Lance is the absolute GOAT

[@dcy4063]

so cool

[@JB-ki9ql]

Lance is in his groove with his podcast brilliant.

[@CoolInOlympia]

Is there part 2?

[@timw4369]

Yes it's been done before. Look at the samples for the 100 meters in Seoul I think they were all dirty not just johnson.

[@andreas11735]

Have Don Catlin on The Forward podcast.

[@majagwozdz2017]

Lance is a really good host.

[@denali9643]

20:36 “Felt pretty good, didn’t it?” The knowing.....

[@jaydalypt2706]

LA Still a god damn Legend and x7 TDF winner.

[@ianholmquist8492]

The most famous cheater of all time, for sure

[@humblesamb9920]

@@ianholmquist8492 absolutely, especially since he competed against a clean field. Right?

[@sirdelrio]

Lance is a hero because he told the truth. So many 'champions' are still pretending.

[@ivalovric]

Lance 👑

[@sebastian7112]

Can lance release his actual doping programs, how many IUs of EPO, how often, etc. I’d be curious to compare modern race protocols to early ones.

[@nicholastemplebrown]

I agree, although its best that lance doesn't mention amount doses etc. As elite athletes these days are on the same programs and or more complex programs.

[@CFCMahomet]

No way... The Omertà...

[@SKILLIUSCAESAR]

U can find a lot of that info in his WADA investigation file that’s public... reading thru teammates affidavits as I listen to this, some of those details are definitely there

[@ericyoahan]

i like this Lance. Loose.. freeflow. unlike his interview with Oprah and Rich Roll

[@robertrishel3685]

Bryan Fogel is one amazing human being. I have huge respect for this guy, big respect. Not too shabby an athlete either👍👍 As far as Lance goes, “cheating”, drugs, megalomania, all that, whatever, bottom line, the man is still a once in a generation athlete. During his years of domination, all of the top level riders were doping, without a doubt. Lance did it better and his underlying athleticism is beyond comprehension. The record books may have an asterisk on his years of competition, but the truth and reality is he won and won and won and won.

[@briandarabaca]

Lance, you will always be my champ! I agree that Icarus is such a great documentary film and an eye opener. Fighting dope with dope!

[@sonatak304]

This feels sooo weird and icky to see the guy who unveiled the truth and one of the highest profile cheaters of all time... especially when Lance says “this guys is full of sh...”. I mean really? Coming from you? Humans are so complex but still, this feels weird!

[@cypriano8763]

350 for 130 pound dude for 1hr. Thats phil gaimon power son

[@davidthoureau6693]

It's only getting worse. Thx for this!

[@TRUETALK11613]

Where did he come in the 2nd race ?

[@mrkipling2201]

27th.

[@chrisbrown2211]

How/why does Lance think Michael Phelps does not use steroids?

[@mrndlprsnr]

felt pretty good didnt it?!....

[@fiveyearold]

Outside contamination is how they got Michael food poisoning in that finals series against the 76ers. The "flu" game

[@fhowland]

Table mounted mics make for poor audio unfortunately

[@snarkyboojum]

Haha. Phelps doesn't do PEDs? Lol, give me a break.

[@thunderpooch]

That has to be the biggest joke in history. If ever there was a sport more reliant on PED's and especially EPO it's swimming. Coming up for one less breath is often the difference in many races. If I jump in with more red blood cells I don't have to breathe as much. There's a reason they are huffing and puffing before they jump in. They are oxygenating their red blood cells.

[@cakej1]

Seems a lot more elaborate than Lance's supposedly elaborate doping system.

[@adamstepic8083]

Lance Armstrong talking about Icarus, that's rich. Lol

[@portal432]

Lance is a G.

[@dannyboy2180]

They should do a investigation into China and their program.

[@acerconticchio999]

Lance Armstrong just admitted Ferrari was the one telling him what to do!!!

[@billpickle2875]

"Bet that felt pretty good didn't it?" Haha

[@runningbroscience1534]

who the hell disliked this video

[@jeffk2512]

F'ing awesome Lance!!! 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁

[@joselozada6640]

wtttttttttttttttttttttttttf!!!! I just clicked and ddnt even bother to read the title!!!!!!! damn lance looks so old :O

[@josephk.h.5506]

Great interview. Bryan and Lance did a great interview. BTW, I've followed Lance since his teenage swimming career. Got to admit, the dude's appearance is looking a little rough. Not hating at all here - he's only 46 and looks like he needs to either get more sleep and/or accordingly adjust his eating and exercise routine. Irrespective still Da Man!

[@josephk.h.5506]

agree man . . . Lance will tell you himself that he's not the best eater. Still a monster on the bike though.

[@ckcycles7624]

The man is still being sued for 120million dollars. I would assume that would accelerate the aging process quite a bit

[@Zen_Power]

CKCycles 😂 how is he not completely bankrupt? I can imagine every one he sued has counter sued him. And that’s ALOT of people.

[@suzyinstitches273]

The rbc enhancement has a downside too. Go with too high a hematocrit and your blood becomes physically too thick to circulate efficiently.

[@nicholastemplebrown]

Lance knows you cannot be an elite champion without performance enhancing drugs. He even admitted it (in the 30 for 30 series) when he first went to Europe he wasn't even near the best guys at the end of races. At the time lance thought he was at his best. (Naturally) He then new if you "don't dope you cant cope". I am a supporter and will continue support lance, without him cycling wouldn't be where it is today. People watch sport to get the best entertainment... Why not let these elite gladiators dope the house down? Their body their choice. We give these athletes stigma for using drugs to be better at their jobs but most of society are hypocrites. Most people abuse stimulants , painkillers, nootropics etc just to go earn their salary at a normal job. Society lacks perspective. Great interview. 😎

[@ianholmquist8492]

Lol

[@tfa8]

that's his typical weak defense line, 'everbody was doing', "you can't win without... ',' bringing knufes to a gunfight ' and other BS over and over again to distract from his own cheating, real winners don't cheat, real cheats never win...

[@nicholastemplebrown]

@@tfa8 The best athletes in the world are on the best drugs in the world. you cannot deny that, denying thats make you super naive. People in society use drugs to help them work more and harder for petty salaries. Pro athletes get paid millions, you think they wouldn't use drugs if millions of dollars were on the line??

[@tfa8]

@@nicholastemplebrown didn't make sense to me, either you are an athlete means you are playing by the rules in a level playing field or you are an cheating doper, there is nothing like an doping Athlete... either you dope and cheat or you are an athlete

[@humblesamb9920]

@@tfa8 appalling levels of nativity

[@roadracer1158]

Juiced!

[@nemanjamilovancevic8396]

Michael phelps not using peds? Hard to imagine

[@4dogsannacat]

Huh Grigory is being sued for defamation of character by three athletes that were stripped of their medals, GOOD!

[@Wacoal34d]

Awkward, the elephant in the room, good to have that tension.

[@olliebrown89]

I thought the exact opposite about phelps.

[@nickhumphrey4833]

I understand Fogel's incentive and impetus to do the film from an intuitive point of view and also from a scientific perspective- in an attempt to make the science of doping control falsifiable. However I do not understand Grigory's incentive to take the venture on. He knew they were swapping urine and not testing for certain substances. its not a falsifiability study for him- he had insider knowledge doping control was bullshit in the case of the Russians. - I just can't understand how he nearly risked his life to tell the truth about something he was not only complicit in but a scheme he actively participated in. I can't understand how Grigory is so clever and did something that is so not in his interests.

[@angusreynolds7273]

I assumed watching the Documentary that Grigory knew what was coming so when some random American presents himself as a potential ally if the situation ever got out of hand and so he leapt at the opportunity to have another friend overseas who could help him without ruining his reputation.

[@glywnniswells9480]

He is anti Russian and Putin because Russians are no longer ruled by Bolscheviks,whereas the West is.The West has at least an equal doping problem

[@champtech8755]

Well, I’m Russian and it could be 100% true, BUT I wouldn’t take at face value everything he’s saying. You cannot trust a person who was making money on the side while working for WADA and Russia’s doping center/lab and then blaming others.

[@chrisbuxton1958]

I’m still a big fan of Lance.

[@christopherhamer9584]

Lance "livestrong" Armstrong This man can do more with 1 ball then we all can do with 2.

[@MilenkoIvanovic]

Lance aged

[@benkvulothong4034]

Sadulaev really?

[@Von45Rose]

Why would I watch a sport that’s fixed? Ask Vince McMahon.

[@mrkipling2201]

According to Vince it’s sports entertainment!!!

[@dalelayton282]

Greatest cycles of all time lance.

[@marcelberger8280]

Pretty sad that Bryan Fogel is taking credit for others' achievements. Hajo Seppelt from the German First Television Broadcaster uncovered the story Fogel based his documentary Icarus on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Seppelt

[@strontiumdog8646]

‘Who’d have THUNK IT’ ...... LANCE!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck 😭😭😭 sort your language out bro haha

[@vd2597]

Lance 🇺🇲💪

[@jonboltax]

seriously get a different table for your guests

[@dr.merlot1532]

F Joe Rogan, Rogan some times brings in quacks into his pod cast. I like Lance's pod cast much more.

[@glywnniswells9480]

oh its Only Russin athletes right

[@subtropicalken1362]

So Lance gets a life time ban for his doping, lies, and intimidation. Why aren’t the Russians receiving a lifetime ban for murder, lies, intimidation (a witness in the witness protection program), etc., etc? And does anyone really trust them to not do the very same thing again? Frankly I don’t trust any athlete not to do the same thing again, nor the governing bodies ...

[@chheule]

The movie is nice and I like this podcast but there is 1 thing that I really hate on Icarus and this specific episode. Just because you dope doesn't mean no one NOT on drugs can't race faster as you do!!! I raced HR Ventoux in 2017 and finished 9th or 10th overall, 100% clean. Not even vitamin supplements! I could have done way better with a little more training but I'm working, I have tow kids and I primarily enjoy my life. I'm over that point where cycling was all in my life. I'm far from lean. I'm 185cm tall and weigh 80-82kg. I'm far from pro level. My FTP dropped more then 10% since I retired and I weigh about 10kg more now. NOT pro level. I find it a shame, BF is suggesting anyone is on drugs on those races. Sure thats wrong. Very very wrong.

[@4dogsannacat]

So he says he knew and met GR in 2014 then played it off that Doug Caitlin introduced them.....the bullshit that comes out of this guys mouth is insane

[@thunderpooch]

The documentary fabricated timelines to add drama. So unnecessary! The whole doping protocol was total bullshit to make it appear he fell into the lap of Grigory. You're smart enough to catch it, but I doubt the average person will.

[@mofomartianp]

He's a jew, what do you expect?

[@alainmaitre2069]

Lance is using the F word , i am out , i do not want to hear him talk like that .