Part two of Bryan Fogel on The Forward with Lance Armstrong

Part two with Bryan Fogel is up. We talk about China's ability to skirt the doping testing in Beijing, WADA's response to the film, the mysterious deaths of some involved and the fear associated with the release. bit.ly/FORWARDEP80

[@user93634]

Lance you absolutely nailed the questions. This is absolutely the best interview of Bryan I have heard (possibly the best period). You both sucked the viewer into the podcast, and made it such a beautiful, intelligent conversation.

[@fancifulrat]

This is the best sports podcast I have ever watched .

[@flanners41]

Your podcast was as addictive as the film...superb journalism thank you

[@CoachRobbBeams]

Absolutely loved the honest candor between the two. I appreciated the additional questions of one another to take the thread of thought progressively deeper vs. the traditional one word replies and then the next question. Great podcasts, great host, great guest. Thank you both for taking the time to share your experiences and insight.

[@fernandoperezc.7036]

Almost like David Walsh, Pierre Ballester and Paul Kimmage

[@MijoMontego]

There's not a better person to discuss this film with Bryan than Lance. Loved both parts. Great work to you and your teams on both sides to not only produce the film, but to discuss it together!

[@frankjoshum]

Lance, can you do more interviews with cyclists? We love the insight into cycling from professionals and the platform going on here. Great stuff!

[@jkclimberx8579]

Now I finally have a reason to buy Netflix. Keep the good content coming up Lance

[@gustavorodriguez9810]

This is the best podcast interview he’s done so far. Specially because this is why we all listen to Lance; we want to know about his unique prospective of the sport when he’s around other athletes and, in this case, someone who acknowledges that it takes more than EPO to win 7 Tours. Fenomenal episode! PS: I loved the “suspense” of splitting this episode in 2 parts.

[@shawndoran2879]

Lance. Dude... homerun! Love the humility, I'm on board! Next guest?!

[@derenross9649]

Wow....very interesting interview. I'm looking forward to seeing the documentary. Thanks!

[@bridge4]

Deren Ross it's on Netflixalready if youve got that.totally mind blowing, especially for people like me who didnt realize what the documentary was about. Bc it starts off about the biking and develops into something huge. Go watch it when u get a chance; it's a wild ride :))

[@SK_TorON]

Lance is a really good interviewer! Thanks guys for the fascinating conversation. Well done both of you!

[@Gkuljian]

It has been very upsetting, at least for me, to see the erasing of Lance from cycling history. Even if the only thing this film does is get announcers to give credit to Lance, and for his history to be reinstated, it will have accomplished something big. I'm dying to watch this thing.

[@bearmadden1776]

G Kuljian The UCI is just a bunch of bitter old men, and they hey will never admit they made a mistake by erasing Lance, but leaving all the other dopers alone. But to be honest... Fuck the UCI. We saw it happen, we know the man who did it, and even if his name is removed from the list, people will always be asking whose name was erased.

[@johngoodell2775]

What? You think that is the message behind the film? A few facts: 1. not everyone in professional cycling was doping. 2. different athletes respond differently to various drugs. 3. Doping successfully, as this film reveals is depended on money and an organized conspiracy between athletes, managers, coaches and doctors.4. The reason Lance got into extra trouble was his treatment and tactics used against whistleblowers. Was Lance an elite rider? Sure. Would he have been on the podium 7 times if everyone was clean? No.

[@claudiataylor9207]

Me to

[@hedleykerr3564]

Anybody who has watched the movie(Icarus) and then watched this podcast should go back and watch the movie again it will give much clarity!

[@tuco5739]

Lance great interview! I also watched Icarus twice,once by myself,second time had to have my wife watch it also.

[@edwinwong9547]

Mind blown. Good thing they filmed at undisclosed location.

[@krisbowditch827]

Brilliant interview lance,great work captivating and engrossing.... sport is just like politics, and they are both intertwined... POWER + MONEY = CORRUPTION

[@bearmadden1776]

Because of how the movie plays out, one thing could be overlooked, but I think it's important: even without a derailleur failure or a flat, Bryan wouldn't have won that race. It goes to show that even the most sophisticated doping programs won't guarantee anything. Yeah his power increased 100W over the year, but power alone does not win races. This very argument I believe redeems Lance in a huge way: let's face it, without the extreme talent and work he put in, no amount of EPO would ever win him seven TdFs.

[@dsi1212]

Think you are comparing two different things here. Of course giving a normal guy doping doesn't make him win the tour the France, but at the level of professional riders the difference of doping could be between finishing first or 50th since they are already so close together in fitness, let alone a 100 watt! difference...

[@Fridate]

Bear Marshall King that's what I got from it too. Lance was doping, yes, but he was still better than all the other racers - who were probably also doping.

[@johngoodell2775]

So ignorant...you dont understand bike racing. How do you know that if he had no accidents he wouldnt have been at least on the podium- which would be a pretty great result? That thread was not the point of the movie. The point was that a successful doping program requires a conspiracy between athletes, coaches, managers, scientists and doctors. Its also about money. The reason Lance was so successful was that he put together a very precise, organized doping and training program that involved one of the best doping doctors in the business. Hi ability to do this was highly based on money. Which is why he was sued. Was lance a great rider? Sure. Would he have one 7 tours if everyone was clean? No. Because even if you dont have flats, or crashes, you still will have days where you dont recover from the the day before, you feel like shit, and you get dropped. Doping is about recovery as much as performance. Could Lance dominate one day races without doping? Yeah - just look at his triathlon results. He was competing with the worlds best triathletes when he was 15. But the Tour is too complex, too long, too many miles, and too unpredictable to monopolize the podium for 7 years.

[@nemanjamilovancevic8396]

That is logical fallacy right there. It gave him enough advantage to win the race or get better result at least he just didn't have luck. And who said other guys didn't dope?

[@ugvuo]

Thanks for these Lance.

[@lesleighwatson7730]

Wow great movie quite an eye opener and great interview

[@stephentaylor1916]

I am ;liking the podcast, spoken by PRO's not speculative

[@andrewlabat9963]

There is illegal use and abuse in every sport on the professional, collage and amateur levels.. To isolate one person, sport, team, country is absurd, although we do understand the level to which some countries and teams are on a different level. To have robbed Lance and others if their titles as they were the norm is a focused witch hunt for show..

[@majagwozdz2017]

Great podcast.

[@lilasennett2283]

great interview...hate to say it, but Armstrong is very good good at this....seriously good interview Lance...

[@nikitaw1982]

What's with the ridge on the desk under Bryan's forarms?

[@adx7465]

Amazing

[@NintendoCafe]

great video, history should be restored!

[@nzrdb6]

There's precious little integrity in any walk of life. Politics, sports and BS are interchangeable words.

[@oliva1971]

the only thing that wrecks my mind in this interview is this countertop with the edges turned up, so the guy cannot rest his hands on

[@LIamaLlama554]

😂 I didn’t notice until you mentioned it

[@thefollandgnat]

FSB move

[@lee4171]

Checked the Whizzinator website. Excellent!

[@jaasun71]

This is a good one.

[@Bikelife_505]

Dr Gregory Team USA'S new Dr

[@stevenlechner]

Please consider a different way to title your vids. Cannot tell which ones they are once we search for them.

[@mrawesome2742]

Steven Lechner I had the same thoughts. Look to Joe Rogans titling for inspiration.

[@MsFrogster1]

As you said the larger global level of drugs in sport was and is still there. great movie

[@lilasennett2283]

the whizzanator ad is very funny...

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Even today we are seeing performances in swimming athletics tennis and other sports that imo are suspicious and yet they're not being investigated.

[@LIamaLlama554]

Yep. The people that run the sports governing bodies help cover it up because they don’t want disgrace brought to their sport. It’s a conflict of interest.

[@mrkipling2201]

The only surprising thing is that people are surprised about FIFA’s reluctance to do anything. It’s been proved that corruption runs right through the corridors of power at that organisation and they only do something when it’s likely to lose them money.

[@007tcby]

Bryan says that Enemy and Bourne tech are hear now and yet the FBI can's crack an IPhone??

[@tkeffer]

What is the name of the movie?

[@LATINLOVERBENJA]

Tim Keffer - Icarus / available on Netflix.

[@hedleykerr3564]

Icarus

[@binbob9]

Good thing you knocked on wood about the Oscars...

[@rickzimmerman4681]

You might be as brilliant an interviewer as you are a tactician on the bike. Great story... well told. I can't wait to see the movie.

[@lizardonlyqueen]

Respect to all the people who make this movie,Also my respect Always for Lance❤

[@JamesBMiller411]

Timmy Dugan...haha, what ever happened to that dude?

[@123bug]

Great Stuff. Belgian Cyclist Polentier had to leave the TDF after winning the Alpe d`huez stage, because he had a rubber full of urine at the testing site... he had hidden the rubber in his rectum... :D You cant make this stuff up! :-)

[@Bob_Shy_132]

Good job there billygoat. Err mountaingoat.

[@flaviomelo3937]

I think Lance was very evasive when answering to Bryan's final question. He talked in the third person and about what other people tweeted about the movie, but not he was not candid at all in the answer which makes me think it was a very defensive answer and focused on his legal case with the Postal Service

[@johnwilliamson9453]

Can you blame him, given his legal battles?

[@tjcobey]

On a positive note he could have edited it out.

[@alancharness4715]

Glad to see Lance bringing Bryan over to his forum to further the cause for fairness in sport. Although the discussions about EPO dosing, folic acid, EPO halflife, and the whizzinator provided more definitive insights into Lance's personal doping journey, I'm a bit disappointed they may serve as recipes for future cheaters. I'm still (naively) holding some hope that chemistry catches up in the next few years and costs of testing continue to decline. The last thing I want to be worrying about if I'm unfortunate enough to miss kona by a slot & Boston by a few seconds again is that it happened because I wasn't doping.

[@mgoskay]

chitty chitty bang bang

[@dsi1212]

If it was going on for over 40 years, how come in Vancouver there were only 10 medals won by Russian athletes?

[@pedroandrade2398]

FIRST! Don't forget about the TUE's used by the US (and others) on the last Olympics ^_^

[@mrawesome2742]

pedro andrade what’s a TUE. Here in the USA TUE is the abbreviation for Tuesday

[@dionmiller4704]

@bart simpson TUE means Therapeutic Use Exemption.

[@danieldefeudis8209]

Comunists commenting about this docu is like a child trying to cover de sun with a finger!!!

[@Jushean]

A “Bolivian”?...really couldn’t think of any other country!...but ya coming from a ex-swimmer that trained 6 hours a day and never made it anywhere...beyond genetics...something else is obviously brewing

[@Jushean]

I’m from Bolivia

[@yoshibender]

The point was that WADA and the IOC would be all over a country like Bolivia if they were caught doing something like this but don't do shit when Russia or the USA is found guilty.

[@debbygrayson7092]

Bryan Fogel is so articulate and clear in his explanations! Lance Armstrong is a Joke! I will NEVER watch him interview again. So rambling and who cares what he thought? If you are paying attention, you will see Bryan working to keep from laughing at Lance’s rambling comments and questions several times. Personally, I don’t care one iota that Lance Armstrong rode a bicycle fast. How can that be impressive when he was on drugs and couldn’t take responsibility for his poor judgment? Liar and druggie. He totally butchered this interview and I find it hard to believe whoever he is working for can’t see it. If he was a nobody, they wouldn’t come close to putting him in a position to interview. Amazing what is acceptable in our society!

[@jonio214]

Debby Grayson I noticed same thing about the rambling interview style and BF trying to figure out how to respond at times because Lance's comments were so inane. I was looking for more substance from Lance because it is a topic that is so relevant to him. He made a good point about how the Russians in Sochi got the samples in/out of that hole in the Aliquoting room without being seen/caught. I wondered that same thing. Two cringe-worthy Lance moments, "I'm so glad you're not the kook I met in 2015" and "I'm scared for ME" (in reference to interviewing Brian.) First if all, the initial concept for the doc was brilliant and interesting, not "kooky". Second of all, listen to all the times Lance says "I" or "me" and interrupts in any interview. He truly is an egomaniac/Narcissist. That said, "Icarus" proved doping doesn't make someone superman/superwoman. Lance was an amazing athlete with natural talent and determination. If he didn't win, someone else taking performance enhancing drugs would have. It's all so effed up. I seriously think we should get rid of the Olympics. It's a joke.