Can We Find EVERY Lost Chao Without Using The Mystic Melody?

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

This video is a nice reverse of the run I did as a kid: "Can I find NO lost Chao because I can't find Mystic Melody?"

[@EpicDuskk]

Lmfao we all been there.

[@Nobody_Shroom]

I've been there 😂

[@kevinmorad1277]

Can I find the list of chaos by legit means with no power ups? Sadly no time to Mod SA2 Better find genius Eggman to be fair mods are fun but unfair you could make Rouge wear anything if you know the coding furry hot women in panties! 😂

[@nuulcoolpro]

@@kevinmorad1277 That kind of mod especially makes all the difference in the balancing of the game

[@rubi1304]

So, what i learned from this, physics are completely broken, and that collision is a privilege, and can be revoked at any time.

[@chaosimp2137]

Jehtt reference spotted

[@RootBeerAddict520]

Ah yes, Sonic Adventure 2, the physics-based platformer where physics is a myth.

[@EpicDuskk]

Collision is a privilege and can be revoked

[@aidanorellano2800]

the shadow of skyrim loomed even then

[@zigazav1]

@@EpicDuskk In Sonic Adventure games, walls are a suggestion

[@Whothehellisstevejobs]

21:43 “Look, ramps!” “We can use these as ramps!”

[@PriffyViole]

You mean to tell me it was the TURTLE making those noises???

[@EpicDuskk]

It is! I always thought it was rouge or like part of the music. But it stops when you free the turtle, and he makes a similar noise when you ride it down

[@XavielArt]

Turtles have surprisingly high pitched voices

[@PriffyViole]

@XavielKZbin I have actually heard a turtle's voice before (I've seen the Sneaker clip on TV). It's manly the fact that this turtle sounds *exactly like Rouge*.

[@EpicDuskk]

@@XavielArt you mean they dont sound like a beach bro like in finding nemo?!

[@sauvagess]

@@PriffyViole Because they have the same voice actor. Lani Minella was both Rouge and Omochao, in addition to other various small bits along the way. Cheaper to use one VA to do a variety of tiny things than get a bunch of new people for it, after all.

[@FreeHelicopterRidesRoblox]

I actually had to do this challenge when I was a kid because I didn't know about the Mystic Melody.

[@EpicDuskk]

Lmao im glad we all had this experience

[@Protofall]

Security Hall messed me up so bad as a kid since I never expected the Treasure Scope to be vital outside Hard Mode. I even tried the other method Dusk showed, but I could never figure out how to do the screw attack jump (But now that I know, its easy)

[@m0002856]

So the Lost Chao in Sonic’s last Level I think was a glitch that wasn’t present in the Dreamcast version. I remember being perplexed by that rail as well as a kid on GameCube, and I swear I recall a video that explained that the railing worked normally on the original Dreamcast version.

[@Legendary_dragoon34]

ermmm The lost chao was never lost, he was in our hearts all along

[@EpicDuskk]

Maybe the real lost chao are the friends we make along the way

[@Metaspark350]

Another route for Pumpkin Hill: the rocket that goes from Church Mountain to Pumpkin Mountain also leaves you high enough to glide to the chao

[@Hiushisan]

That exact trick is what inspired me to try Melody-less for every stage in my recent run of the game.

[@WigglesMother]

I always found that rocket easier to use than the spring shown in the video, too. And then, given that there's an extra life under the upgrade location in that level, and where the lost chao normally is when not doing mission 3, you can easily use Pumpkin Hill to farm lives (about 1 per minute using the Church Mountain rocket).

[@faedragonlucy]

@@Metaspark350 I've always done that method

[@ZeldaMaster285]

You've gotta be kidding me with sky rail..... I've always done that one accidentally cheating. It's was just natural progression. I ended up at the top three and never questioned the lack of music melody. I always thought it was an oversight by SEGA. I'm more proud of accidental shortcuts all these years. Now that I know what I'm doing, it's going to be extra hard because I'll be grading myself. Stupid ADHD.....

[@knellycornnan5132]

What I like is that many of these don't even require glitches to do. Just cleverly use of abilities and game mechanics.

[@EpicDuskk]

Yeah its cool. I dont mind glitches, but its cool to find ways that dont require them.

[@knellycornnan5132]

@@EpicDuskk Yea. I saw that because I find it nice that in many situations you can get through them just be simply cleverly using the game mechanics as I like it when games give you this option.

[@mincedgarliclove]

Duskk showed a Rouge level without her outfit? I can't believe this.

[@EpicDuskk]

I love how the next comment I got after this was some karen complaining about the rouge jokes lol.

[@mincedgarliclove]

@@EpicDuskk they just can't understand. 😔

[@randomgem8087]

8:50 grown man telling you that switching to another version of the game which is on another console does count and if you dare tell him he's wrong then you're just crying

[@EpicDuskk]

@@randomgem8087 thank you for the recap.

[@randomgem8087]

@@EpicDuskk you are very welcome

[@quadrilaturalSamurai]

10:13 If you get enough speed while jumping up into the rail, the momentum scoots you upwards. It's still a really dumb rail though.

[@Stealthy_PandaxX]

I put myself right up against the wall and do a bounce and it works for me. Don't bounce into the wall, hug the wall and do a bounce.

[@NitsuaGamer]

I've definitely thought of this idea. But figured it would be impossible due to a few of the mech stages. Bravo to you on your commitment to rescue these poor little adorable creatures without needing to resort to a power up! You know what's more important.

[@EpicDuskk]

Thank you! Even if it wasn't possible I would still make it a video probably. Even if the answer is "no" alot of these challenges are still interesting to see play out. In fact a few of my challenge videos ended up being fails, but still full of interesting stuff. As long as the journey is interesting it makes a good video.

[@ratchetanon1074]

You don't even need to glitch in Wild Canyon. There's a digable spot in a painting near the center area where you'll be taken to a room full of those same paintings. Find the right one and you can just find the Chao that way. Edit: Never mind, someone already pointed it out.

[@mattevans4377]

I'd call this challenge plausible, since it depends on game version

[@SirGrimly]

Epic: "Finally, I've found every single bug and exploit possible in Sonic Adventure 2!" Speed Runners: "Yeah... about that..."

[@EpicDuskk]

im convinced theres still dozens of glitches and stuff we haven't discovered yet. Im hoping people continue to break the hell out of this game and come up with even wackier shit.

[@SirGrimly]

@@EpicDuskk I highly doubt anyone can top Eggman running up a wall lol

[@Protofall]

@@EpicDuskk Can't wait for someone to discover ACE and program PONG with Sonic and Eggman's head sprites as the paddles.

[@chaosahoyhoy]

I never clicked that the turtle is what was making that weird noise in Dry Lagoon, I always wondered what tf that was lol

[@BladeTNT2018]

In Wild Canyon, there's another way to get the Lost Chao without using the Mystic Melody. On the second floor, there are 2 platforms, one of them has a wall which, by digging into it, leds you to a room with other walls. The middle one on the right leds you the room with the lost chao.

[@EpicDuskk]

Ill give that a try! I never knew that

[@Someguyhere111]

And people say SA2 doesn't have splitting paths.

[@anguset]

Wonderful, underrated video. The kind of obsessive content that just makes you want to be passionate about a subject too. I gotta replay SA2; the sheer level of weird detail in it makes it easy to understand why so many have called this the peak of the series.

[@derekw8039]

That Pumpkin Hill skip is a personal favorite of mine. Once I discovered it, I began using it exclusively. It makes the A Rank a freebie!

[@coreydopson2030]

Sorry to "um actually" but emulation isnt illegal. I understand how people make that mistake because distributing ROMs and ISOs is illegal but the act of emulating it isnt. The legal reason these emulators get to exist and are so easy to search for is of the technicality that youre just emulating a product you do already own. If you have EVER owned a copy of a game you TECHNICALLY are 100% within your consumer rights to emulate it. Obviously please dont pirate contemporary games especially smaller indie games

[@EpicDuskk]

It was a joke. I did my very best to sound as sarcastic as possible 😅

[@coreydopson2030]

@EpicDuskk oh thats probably just me not picking up on it. But so so so many people do actually think its illegal when it simply isnt and is the only way to perserve a lot of games now

[@hi-ougidemonfang]

To be more clear owning a game doesn’t necessarily give you the rights to download a second copy. But you’re well within your rights to copy one over to your computer from the cartridge or original disk. The only gray line in the way is the quasi legality of breaking encryptions. But this doesn’t apply to most all games until after the ps2 and GameCube generations. And even then what damages are they going to claim if you dump your own Wii game, they got paid so while they might be able to make a dmca case like why would they? They stand nothing to gain but losing money. And I don’t think there’s ever been a case to set the precedent for dumping encrypted games anyway really. So while the line is acknowledged it’s not really drawn yet. No one’s really tested what breaking encryption really means or how far the lines stretch so really no one knows for certain if dumping your switch games is legal or not I think. They just stand on different sides of the gray line bickering back and forth until someone pulls the trigger.

[@ilkerkesal1145]

People don't realize this but there have only been like two court cases and technically speaking dumping your legally owned ROMs to your computer to play them through an emulator is actually illegal. Emulation court proceedings are an interesting read but it is my belief that if Nintendo or Sega or some other corporation found it actually worth the money and time to strike down on emulation they would win. Having purchased a game only legally allows you to play it on official, supported hardware, and many emulator projects are not clean room implementations, which puts them in the legally dubious territory.

[@MinyaKinar]

@@ilkerkesal1145 nope. Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.- Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program

[@proceededspy1370]

In Wild Canyon you don't need the Mystic melody or glitching to get to the lost chao. If you go up the wind pillar in the middle to the above ground level, underneath one of the overhaning balconies there is a digging spot and when you dig you will appear in a room with six more digging spots, jump onto the middle on the right hand side and that takes you to the chao. I always use that one for the A rank as i found it way faster than the Mystic melody route.

[@GuyDude-hk8uy]

10:13 You just homing attack into the rail my dude :) You might have to hold up/forward too, I always do.

[@EpicDuskk]

do you play modern or dreamcast? according to the comments the modern ports just dont work great but on dreamcast it works almost every time

[@GuyDude-hk8uy]

@@EpicDuskk aaah yes, I play on Dreamcast. So many weird little issues in the various ports that really add up and diminished from the overall experience :/

[@Miimbambop]

That city escape one is funny for me since as a kid I'd always try to bounce from the small bit of ground on the top of the nearby tree and used that to grab the pully. Had no idea you could just...spindash and jump lmao.

[@kharmachaos667]

For pumpkin hill, the rocket that sends you straight up next to pumpkin mountain also goes high enough for you to quickly glide over.

[@Hiushisan]

It's self imposed challenges like this that keep this game fun. For Cosmic wall, you don't even need to progress further into the stage to get up there. If you land correctly on one of the pyramid containers near the melody statue, you can walk up it a little. Jumping from there and hovering gives you enough height to get up to the Chao. Also, I was actually able to get the Pyramid Cave Chao without superbounce. Spin dashing and jumping from the ramp just before the area you'd superbounce at, you can hook around and land on top of one of the arches. From there, a trick spin dash jump can get you over to the correct platform, to continue onwards as usual, you just need to be careful of the invisible wall.. Superbouncing is probably easier, but it can be done without it. I love stuff like this so much :)

[@DatBoiAntix]

Such a shame they took off all the soap shoe ads in the game.

[@ChinaCountryball11]

I didn't know that you can beat those levels without using the mystic melody. Good video👍

[@EpicDuskk]

I didnt either before going into it. I knew some were possible, but I didnt think they all would be!

[@SolNohi]

oh to be a lost chao getting rescued by rouge the bat

[@CesarTorres61296]

I'm honestly surprised that Iron Gate and Egg Quarters are possible! These were the two Impossible Chaos in Irregularzero's video.

[@EpicDuskk]

Iron gate actually blew my mind. I gave each level about an hour before researching to see if anyone else did it and I was CONFIDENT it would be impossible. Like I actually said out loud "you got to be fucking kidding me" when I saw it for the first time lmao.

[@Silent-Tour-Act]

I found the knuckles Dreamcast one by accident when I was a kid I glitched through that gap too. I hope someone recreates it somehow on modern versions. Also that last rail on sonic final hero level didn’t work on modern versions but on Dreamcast you walk then jump and it just slides up automatically

[@ChaosWindScar99]

This video actually helped me find some lost chao I didn't know the location of, until now. Thanks.

[@TheTwilightQueen_]

I like that hilariously, my esthetic is basically Rouge's alt costume haha

[@Robeebert]

SA2 has moulded a generation. It is okay.

[@DementisXYZ]

19:47 wouldn't an easier way be to spin dash off the previous cylinder up to the top of the pulley?

[@EpicDuskk]

to be honest im not sure if you can spin dash on those, I dont think I ever tried. But I can confidently say that would not be easier, those things are janky as hell. Ill give that a try though next time I'm playing final chase.

[@PhantomAarantula]

Bro, you did the levels in the dark story out of order. It should be Dry Lagoon after Iron Gate, not Radical Highway Fantastic video, by the way. Loved seeing how similar some solutions were for the different alignments like Rouge and Knuckles having the same solutions for Mad Space and Meteor Herd. JusticeForTails

[@EpicDuskk]

Yeah I never really realized just how similar the knuckles and rouge levels were tbh.

[@nndbc6732]

i never knew the actual way to beat Cannons Core M3! I always used the time-stop method as that's the one I knew but now knowing about the actual way makes me like this M3 even more than I already did

[@edfreak9001]

I knew it wouldn't be technically possible on the steam release since I was recently trying to do this thanks to the archipelago randomizer, but i'm surprised by just how many actually can be managed. Maybe some day someone will crack the code on the space hunting stages.

[@GeminiShadows]

Awesome video! Was cool seeing all of the setups needed to get all of these without Mystic Melody. And hype to see Quiet Storm get a shoutout!

[@tnick123]

... I legit NEVER fucking knew that those statues had a use... Legit never found out what they were for wtf. You have shown me there is a huge aspect of the game I never even knew about. Also... Fuck that gravity puzzle near the end of the game. When I played the game on the gamecube that was one of the few times as a little kid I genuinely rage quit so many times.

[@EpicDuskk]

I always cheat that gravity puzzle lol, I cant stand it.

[@bastionb-5634]

This pretty useful for the archipelago randomizer

[@Superminecraftsonic]

You can get the lost chao in cannon's core without doing the glitch, I was able to spindash jump off the ramp at the end after a few tries.

[@saltystick_99]

This is genuinely a lot more than I expected. I was expecting just Metal Harbor, Radical Highway, Green Forest, Wild Canyon, Crazy Gadget, Mission Street, and Cannon's Core.

[@Nobody_Shroom]

This feels like justice for everyone who couldn't find the mystic melody

[@EpicDuskk]

We didnt have KZbin tutorials back then lol.

[@EsmeMarion]

In Pumpkin Hill, there's an even easier trick! Just use the rocket to Pumpkin Mountain and immediately jump and glide to the floating island. I used this method a lot for grinding lives as a kid (you can easily get 2 lives in the first 30 seconds if you dig at the Shovel Claw spot and immediately go to the island on missions that aren't the Chao one)

[@Robeebert]

10:16 I vaguely remember doing roll-flips as you're approaching the rail so the upward momentum takes you up the rail, on gamecube. Like, the tap-B-then-press-A flips. This is a distant memory, now, and I could misremember it.

[@doesntexist8873]

21:42 I see that Boom reference

[@Samsgm]

Same

[@pumanarration]

I'm crying about Meteor Herd not working on modern releases, but also have no idea why this was in my recommended, clicked it, and was like 'Wow this guy does a good job of explaining how to do these things.'

[@EpicDuskk]

@@pumanarration According to a few comments you can get it to work on modern releases if you get the game to play at a lower framrate or something like that.

[@keshiakat]

I have been waiting on an SA2 video for a hot minute now so glad you uploaded one

[@EpicDuskk]

Yeah Im still making videos for this game! Ive been exploring other games too, but I'm not done with SA2 content dont worry.

[@sonicfreak3088]

I like how Cannon’s Core lost chao room looks kind of like the mural room from SA1’s Lost World level

[@TinyZu]

17:20 The delivery of this line could not have been better, lmao.

[@elliotgandersen]

I feel like I’ve gotten the Chao on crazy gadget like that before. Good video, fun and interesting.

[@Gaaylord69]

For 10:15, I've always found that it's easy(ish) to get up that rail if you have a really good running start, then homing attack into it. While not always easy, that guaranteed the most success when I was trying for A rank. Sometimes the best way to get a lot of speed before getting there is a spin dash, but always homing attack into it. However, you need enough space to do it. If you homing attack too close to the rail, you loose your momentum, too far and... yeah, same thing

[@markusmccloud]

Actually, there's a way to get Wild Canyon's lost Chao without Mystic Melody OR clipping out of bounds: If you take the wind tunnel up to the upper courtyard and go under the left platform, you'll see a diggable mural hidden in the platform's shadow that'll lead you to a dark room full of more diggable murals. It's purely a guessing game (and I sadly cannot remember the solution off the top of my head... I think it was the 3rd or 4th mural on the left?), but if you dig into the correct one, it will ALSO take you to the lost Chao room!

[@EpicDuskk]

@@markusmccloud yeah I realized this later. I knew of that room because of the hard mode mission but didnt realize it was an alternate path to the chao room too

[@CybeastID]

From what I remember (pre-watch), 2 Chao (Iron Gate, Egg Quarters) outright force you to get it, and 2 are only doable on original Dreamcast version (Meteor Herd, Mad Space). 5:38 There is a MUCH easier way to do this, if you rotate the camera, move to the right wall at the start, and just run towards and glide into the sign at the right angle, you can clip through the wall and the Lost Chao corridor is located practically straight ahead. Post watch: So they finally figured out setups for Egg Quarters and Iron Gate, eh? Good to know.

[@EpicDuskk]

I didn't know about the sign clips before posting this. My process for making this video was trying to figure out my own path for each level before checking to see if speedrunners found a way. I knew about that aquatic mine clip for years, just never had a practical reason to show it off. I've since tried the sign clip speedrunners do, I find it really difficult, but thats probably skill issues on my part.

[@GamingTopTen]

I actually got Pumpkin Hill without Mystic Melody as a kid because I used a rocket to get to that area. I felt like such a legend when I did it. Did not know there were others.

[@Swagpion]

The lost Chao in the 4th levels of each story are the only ones that feels intensional to get without Mystic Melody.

[@joyvillarreal4998]

Lol I did that I didn’t know there was a mystic melody in that lol so that’s what I did but apparently I didn’t need to 21:44

[@DrEReesman]

10:29 I just did this in the 2P battle mode of Final Rush, and when I got to the spot with the 1up/Chao, there actually was a 1up there! I was surprised, but I got the 1up, and finished the race. Neat to know there's a 1up even in the 2P mode!

[@Himmelschenk]

I remember doing the screw kick to find the chao when I was younger. Was pretty crazy

[@Someguyhere111]

I was about to comment that you need the Mystic Melody to get the Swag Scope, but you addressed it immediately XD I'm sure you prolly also have another way to get the Scope anyway.

[@EpicDuskk]

Tbh i forgot it was needed for that! I just thought itd be cool to show a different way, but now im glad I did

[@Spazcakes]

I never knew there was a Treasure Scope spring in Security Hall for the Lost Chao, I just Screw Kicked up and glided to the platform, the more you learn~

[@shpostmile1510]

That final rush ramp is straight up evil, i dread trying to A rank that mission because of the rail alone

[@CinnaSwirls]

The DreamCast only skips count for both versions working together, at the very least. If all the steam version's techniques work on DreamCast, too, then we know it can be done with a single version of the game. It's all about perspective.

[@ninjafrog6966]

19:36 shadow truly is the ultimate life form

[@Supersonic6427]

Time to nit pick because that's what I do best lol: 1:25 - The super bounce, as the name implies, allows you to **bounce** very high in the air. 2:03 - This clip can be done without pause buffering and is done in IL speedruns of this level. 4:05 - There's a rocket on Church mountain aimed at that mountain (it's been almost 2 and a half years since I last played SA2, so I don't remember that mountain's name), and with a glide you can reach the platformer effortlessly. 4:35 - You should clarify this trick can be done without pausing. Pause buffering is used to hover on the first possible frame. 5:28 - Rather unique approach to getting the chao. I was more so expecting you would use that sign to the right of the starting area and clip out of bounds. If you're a gamer, you can also use it to run on the wall and clip out of bounds. 8:28 - It would count, but I know you have the battle dlc, so you're playing Sonic Adventure 2 Battle and not Sonic Adventure 2. This would mean it would also not count if you played the Gamecube version. 9:28 - Another method (the gamer method) would be to use the speedrun trick Crazy Gadget Skip Skip (or CGSS). 10:22 - Don't know about you, but it seems like there are some arrows pointing up. Because the rail's on the wall, I would assume that should mean you're supposed to jump on the rail with a running start? 12:05 - Non gamer move on your end, especially when considering how dedicated you were to doing the Eternal Engine strat in your Sonic only SA2 video lol. 12:35 - Ok, you recorded the levels out of order. But what stopped you in the editing process from putting Dry Lagoon after Iron Gate lol? 13:03 - How dare you not listen to the Turtle's singing! 14:24 - We all knew that. 15:41 - But quality over quantity :( 15:49 - Emulators are not illegal. Emulating pirated copies of games is (but nobody cares, otherwise so many people would be in fined or in jail for streaming NES games on an emulator). 17:44 - Considering there's plenty of space on that slope to do the spin jump, it shouldn't be that difficult. 19:36 - (12:05) (14:24) Are we picking and choosing when we're a gamer lol? 21:35 - You not only played the level on mission 1, but you also didn't complete the level without using the mystic melody lmao. You collected the rings and cut the part out, and for some reason you also cut out the doors opening after killing the Artifical Chaos. 21:41 - It's redundant to say you can use the ramp as a ramp when you already mentioned it's a ramp. 22:00 - Damn, happily advertising Chao trafficking. I would assume you'd do this at the black market, which doesn't make it any better lmao. Alright, I'm done, so back to the shadow realm! I will be back in 19 days.

[@EpicDuskk]

I guess Ill respond by nitpicking your nitpicks 1. Literally who cares 2. I never said it couldn't be done without pause buffering. Im also not a speedrunner 3. The spring is just as effortless as the rocket. I never intended to show off every conceivable way to get the chao. I showed off a few methoods in later levels if they were interesting enough. 4. I've previously said in the video that pause buffering helps with timing. I never said its required. I also dont think every single thing needs to be explained like the people watching have never seen this game. Sometimes its best to keep explanations simple and digestible. 5. I didn't know about the wall-run or the methood to consistently use the sign to get out of bounds. Again the point of these videos isn't to show off every possible methood, its showing off the methoods I figured out. I knew about the other out of bounds clip, and it worked fine. 6. Literally who cares, its close enough 6A. (Im calling this 6A because I skipped it by accident and dont want to renumber the rest of these.) I'm not a speedrunner again, and even though I can do CGSS, that is way overkill for this challenge. Thats like the equivalent of someone using big fancy words in casual conversation to seem smart, but they're just needlessly being complicated. Also I dont even think that would work. You would hit the death barrier before the chao. So now its the equivalent of someone using fancy words incorrectly. 7. I assumed that too. According to other comments that rail just doesnt work great on modern versions 8. The eternal engine skip was done on a live stream, and I had all the time I wanted to get it done. This video was done off stream, and I had missed several streams due to IRL stuff, and I promised I'd get a SA2 video out that week since I haven't done one in so long, and I know people want this content. So it was either delay the video till I could spend a day attempting it, or use other clips and finish the video on time. I plan to attempt it again in a future stream when I have more time to dedicate to trying it because I do think the glitch is cool as hell and I wanna be able to pull it off. 9. Because it was just funnier that way. Im not striving for perfection, its ok to leave an error in, im not some big time youtuber with a team of editors, im a one man team. And personally I think leaving errors like this in makes it more relatable, like it makes it feel like old school KZbin content, not super over-produced. 10. He should sing better 11. Im better then you at least 12. I dont think you're using that phrase right. The quantity would be 1 video regardless if I re recorded 13. I was so obviously joking about emulators being illegal. I literally use them all the time on my channel, and I did the most sarcastic voice I could come up with, and immediately followed it up with a jokey rant about how the used game market is too expensive. 14. Charging a spin dash without falling off the slope is hard for most people. When I say something is "hard" im not saying its hard for someone whos played the game for 2000 hours, im talking from the perspective of someone who is average at the game. 15. I was implying its ending the run, then revealing it was possible. 16. As I said in the video, I did not want to play the level twice. I collected the rings so they wouldn't be there when I showed off the spin dash jump. I cut to the room because I do not need to over-explain every small detail like my audience is 5 years old. I think anyone watching knows killing enemies is what opens doors in this game. 17. "we can use this ramp as a ramp" was a joke. Its a reference to sonic boom, im amazed you dont know that because only someone who is omega obsessed with Sonic would leave a big ass comment like this 18. The only chao traffic im interested in is in the racing mini game with the chao car.

[@Supersonic6427]

@@EpicDuskk My response nitpicking your nitpicks of my nitpicks: 1. I care! 2. You say "We do this by pause buffering" which implies this' the only method for performing the clip. It would different if you said "We do this by clipping through the statue, but an easier way is by pause buffering" or something like that. I don't write scripts. 3. By your gameplay footage, you just barely reach the bottom portion of the platform vs using the rocket where you're much higher up. I see the latter as being effortless. 4. No you didn't. You explicitly said it helps with movement, not timing. I see that as 2 separate things even if you argue otherwise. 5. No comment. Suppose this' fair game except for when you say "showing off the methoods I figured out" as that's true to an extent. 6. I care! 7. (I'm not naming this 6A because it's confusing due to point 6 and point "6A" not being related. Also, I fact check my work) The comment of you saying it "isn't possible" is surprising to me considering you've showcased AxlThunder and Katie, both of who are speedrunners. That implies you had to have been watching speedrunning videos at some point during the recording process. I have no other objections with what you said. 8. I'll take your word on it. 9. Until you pull it off, my original stance stays. But regardless, I suppose I can understand. 10. So that means "6A" was done on purpose this time? 11. He? I don't remember the turtle giving its pronouns. 12. *cough* *cough* 14:19 *cough* *cough* But even if that's "true," at least I'm willing to not use others' work and put the persistent effort in to do it myself because it's more impressive than showcasing another's accomplishment. At that point, we'd might as well just use Irregular Zero's mystic melody playlist. On a serious note though, I personally don't understand why people do that, especially when it's a self-imposed challenge. It just feels very dissatisfying to not see the person doing the challenge do it themselves. Like, I found it more interesting you actually did the eternal engine skip over ending it with a TAS or someone else's clip. Just personal taste :p 13. The "quantity" is you using others' clips over making your own, which would be the "quality." Also, very ironic you say I'm not using a phrase correctly considering your very first nitpick lol. 14. I think we all that. Still wanted to be an "Um, actually." 15. I would suppose 6:57 is also targeted towards the average player too, and that's intended level design. 16. That wasn't the point of that point. You stated yourself as not being a "fake gamer," and in response I provided 2 timestamps to say otherwise. 17. Real gamers don't take shortcuts and spend 4 minutes playing this level. Also, the reason I nitpick about the cut is because I don't understand its purpose. You go on to give your conclusion for 8-9 seconds. Might as well just include the door opening while you give your conclusion. 18. Do you know how long it's been since I've last seen anything Sonic Boom of all things? The last time I've ever watched the show was when it aired on Boomerang *several* years ago (I was in 4th/5th grade when that show came out), and I haven't seen any memes in a long while either. The most recent thing I've seen from Sonic Boom was a compliation of Sonic being ADHD that I watched several months ago. Also, what the hell do you "big ass comment" like you didn't just write an essay back to me lmao. And then comparing my previous comment to yours, 2 of your points, 6A and 8, literally qualify for "big ass comments" vs mine which are no longer than 3 lines. And I'll be DAMNED if the "big ass comment" comment is being directed at that point specifically, because the way you wrote this nitpick heavily implies that. 19. Only real Sonic fans would remember the "racing mini game" is called "Kart Racing." They even say it when you select the mode so you can't forget.

[@shanoc5902]

For the purely vertical rails like Sonic encounters in his final level, I found that I could usually grind on them after a few attempts if you homing attack into them, you basically need to get onto them with enough speed to overcome gravity... Then hope that speed is converted into upwards momentum instead of downwards momentum. I've used both the bounce bracelet and the rail to get up those areas and once you get good at using the rails I've tended to find them a lot faster and smoother way to get up those platforms but it was always inconsistent and I believe the best I got at it would still often have me fail my first attempt before I got it the second time.

[@EpicDuskk]

Im pretty sure theres only that one vertical rail like that on the wall right before the lost chao. Unless you mean the like L shaped ones, those ones work fine.

[@EeveeEuphoria]

just curious, you are using save states in this, but how? brief searches doesn't yield much info on any kind of save state mods for the PC port, and this is clearly the HD port, so, idk how you did that :o

[@EpicDuskk]

gamebanana.com/mods/349067 Sora made a debug mod that has save states among other features. Its also how I use the free cam to get thumbnails and other footage without the HUD.

[@SamLabbato]

me seeing rouge in her p2 outfit: A-A-A-A-AWOOOOOOOOOOGA

[@zanlancer4426]

Rouge’s greatest soldier has done it again.

[@Vantoxify]

Wow man this video is awesome, I really enjoyed it

[@nikdoesstuff9338]

wow you used the ramp as a ramp that part was so cool

[@davidwagner3710]

It is also possible to get the pumpkin hill chao through the rocket on church mountain. For the longest time this was the only lost chao i could find as a kid before i found out about mystic melody.

[@nightzzmixx]

This video was amazeballs 😳

[@EpicDuskk]

Thank you!

[@dylanaruto20]

Woah new sonic content? Let’s go!!

[@Sparkette]

While I don't think it's technically required to beat the game, one of the most natural routes through Final Rush takes you through the section where you pick it up and are expected to use it to proceed through the level. There are also some uses of this mechanic that aren't related to finding a lost Chao; e.g. the Mystic Melody is required in order to reach some of the other character upgrades.

[@EpicDuskk]

I know there are a handfull of other uses. I even mentioned a few of the hard mode treasure hunting levels needing them. But the lost chao is the primary use. I didnt want to list every single exception, that would be a little too yappy.

[@Protofall]

10:37 Oh. Somehow I didn't know that the rail hop Vs real jump was dictated by whether you are crouching or not. It makes a lot of sense now that you say it. Is that mentioned via Omochao or the manual? I'm surprised I missed it considering I've 100%ed the game. 11:33 lol, years ago I watched a video just like this and remembered that this was one of the missions that wasn't possible. Glad to see Eggman invented a way to solve this puzzle (He invented wall hacks). 14:33 This was the other level that was impossible when I watched the other vid years ago. Now all Chaos can be collected without Mystic Melody. Nice! Final comments: I love how savage you are with the viewers. Telling us to cry about knuckles Dreamcast-only or feed the algorithm with out-of-order dark story. Well played sir.

[@EpicDuskk]

I dont think the game ever tells you, its just something I picked up after playing so much. I've 100% the game a few times and still find something new each time I do. Alot of people who 100% the game still dont know about the magic hands power up believe it or not. The savageness comes from multiple videos of people crying about that kind of stuff lol. It doesn't even work, I still had people crying about the dreamcast only inclusions and me not wanting to re-record the last level, but then if I didnt talk about them those same people would go "uhm actually its possible on dreamcast!" theres no winning with em lol. Some sonic fans just wanna argue.

[@beatziegraham6928]

To grind up the upwards rails, I always just air dash on them. The speed of the dash propels me up the rail.

[@jameswood6940]

This a really neat video nice work

[@EpicDuskk]

Thank you very much!

[@theneoreformationist]

It looks like it'd be pretty hard to get that last chao when every character needs to use the melody 21:22 Actually, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@OtakuKrap]

Oh wow I didn't know about some of these tricks! That's really cool!

[@CheddarVG]

Now I can grab most of these Chao without using the melody.

[@liamdunn423]

Meteor Herd clip is actually possible on PC, just annoyingly hard to

[@crocworks]

For the Pumpkin Hill one, I also think that the starting rocket that takes you to Pumpkin Mountain gets you high enough to glide to the island without needing the melody. It was a while ago since I've played, though... I may be misremembering the spring. Also, I owned the original Dreamcast version, so it may have been on there too...

[@EpicDuskk]

It doesnt, that was my first attempt. Maybe if you had frame perfect glide cancelling, but I doubt it. Dreamcast version maybe, unfortunately I no longer have my dreamcast so I cant test it

[@TARDISES]

I seem to recall having maybe done that once or twice myself on the Gamecube version. The timing is indeed tight if I did pull it off, though.

[@almipopp5152]

your sonic adventure challenge videos are great.

[@EpicDuskk]

Glad you like them!

[@aidenatorx99]

10:14 I always thought you just Homing Attack those vertical rails. And yes, being possible on the Dreamcast counts ;P

[@rtyuik7]

10:17(ish) - Bounce-Attack Horizontal rails; Homing-Attack Vertical ones...kinda like how you do at 10:48

[@XenoWars]

Wild Canyon doesnt need any glitches actually. In the central upper part, theres a wall you can dig through that goes to a room of 6 other walls, which you can then use one of those walls to reach the chao

[@EpicDuskk]

I never knew that but others have said it too!

[@Smoothedawg]

I didn’t actually expect all of them to be possible. I figured about half of them would be, but thought Tails and Eggman would ruin the run at some point for sure. Also, 21:41 was such a great understated joke. 😂

[@EpicDuskk]

im glad people get the joke and dont think I was just being stupid lol. Im also really surprised it was all possible!

[@Zethoro]

Cool vid! One small correction; wow found a way to get the lost chao in meteor herd on PC too.

[@EpicDuskk]

Thank you for letting me know! I was told they also discovered the egg quarters clip too

[@matirion]

The dreamcast exclusive skips can actually work on the PC version if your PC runs the game at low enough FPS... But then it's hard to record that cuz you got a potato.

[@mann-nova9392]

10:20 You just need more grounded speed and a jump. Try a spin dash followed by a jump with no homing attack. It will transfer your upwards and forwards momentum to the rail.

[@OverloadVA]

Now for some Sonic Heros challenges.

[@tl1882]

after a while "lost chao" sounds like "lost child"

[@EpicDuskk]

when I use the auto captions in capcut it always says lost child lol

[@AquiNoHayNadaParaTi.4]

21:11 I love this channel, man! Hahaha

[@RubescentDragon]

When I was a kid I used to get city escape lost chao by jumping during the wall run to free fall into one of the springs or pullies since I didn't know about the super bounce thing. In fact to get 99 lives I would replay that stage over and over till I had 999 rings and end the mission that way

[@EpicDuskk]

Thats the best ring farming method imo.

[@Chaocast]

Have you heard of the Samantha Strat? It probably would've made this challenge easier.

[@EpicDuskk]

SAMANTHAAAAAA 🗣📣

[@blazeneko3384]

On Pumpkin Hill, the place with the house on it, there is a rocket, take that rocket and glide from there, it's easier and faster I believe, then the spring

[@JomaXZ]

"Um actually, Dry Lagoon is before Radical Highway." I don't really care, but was that what you wanted?