Ingall and Skaife: Falcon vs Commodore final showdown | Car Comparisons | Wheels Australia

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Two V8 Supercar legends bury the hatchet and face off in the final Holden vs Ford battle. But which is faster at full noise around Sydney Motorsport Park? The Commodore SS-V Redline with Skaife at the wheel, or Ingall in the XR8 Sprint? Place your bets.
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[@leonj5589]

It honestly doesn't matter "which side" you go for, it's a fucken sad time in Australia right now. We are losing two of the greatest cars to ever come out of this country. And we're being left with NONE. No more big rear-wheel drives, no more "SS vs XR8".. we've lost that forever. And it fucking SUCKS. When I was a teenager, it was all about Holdens (still is for me), but I still always held a healthy respect for Falcons (except the AU.. what were they thinking?).. the newest falcons look great. It's a time when we should all stand together and be thankful for all the memories and awesome bogan-ness that these car companies created. It's a part of our culture, and it's almost gone forever. FUCKEN cunts.

[@Gasinduced]

A big piece of Australiana gone. Spotting a Walky or even a VL turbo is rarer than a Lambo or a Ferrari today...still seems weird to me.

[@Sambro13]

Its funny you hate on AU's because they are one tough car.. they keep going and going

[@jackrol6857]

Smith Fred at least we get the Camro and corvette

[@stevegray5206]

Well said mate sad sad times ahead

[@robertdunlap4975]

RIP Aussie cars. Somebody bring it back. Something. Anything. I hate that it ended this way.

[@ianstollery4922]

They should have switched cars, put Ingall in Holden and Skaife in the Ford, the winner being the one with the best combined times

[@djp4nfa]

the VF is in another league.

[@IISIDESWIPEZII]

I do not have a preference between the two, but I can say (from my experience driving both cars around a track) that I prefer the powerplant of the S/C 5.0L but the commodore's chassis and suspension feels wayyyy better. Better stock tyres too.

[@motleydude73]

Both beautiful brilliant cars.Shame they are being put to death by the big wigs.

[@ashleycraig2017]

Falcon X T 1968 winner 302 4sp

[@ashleycraig2017]

XT Falcon GT302 Winzer Moter plus 4 speed box SO BEAUTIFUL

[@aus80srockradio94]

Who can drift? The answer to that question = Shane Van Gisbergen. BTW - gee that XR8 sounds tough.

[@Samfamson]

At 3:21 skaife finally got his punch at Ingall! After all these years his been waiting to get even!

[@ThomasHarrisonLord]

Haha, perfect!

[@jaimusicxx]

What a shame this is all coming to an end! Fantastic stuff Guys thanks!

[@viovstheworld]

I love them both.

[@juanpolo7mg]

I luv the xr8

[@YeetYeet-lm1jc]

I love both of these cars, I'd own either one...just the hsv version of the SSV and the XR6T falcon

[@appletechlikes7075]

Falcon 😢 will be missed

[@Rexy888]

Not really

[@daman7129]

​@@Rexy888 yes really...

[@lancekaravitis1488]

No 1/4 drag??? Seems legit. 🤔

[@jordanschuh9754]

I love those cars they look absolutely stunning and they are a sweet ride.

[@jameschapman1072]

Great video

[@paulmavric887]

Great video 👍👍

[@Tricky2176BP]

I wanna know how long he rotated for in my experience that's 6 to 9 seconds if you can catch it

[@armoroflight2385]

Skaife's a better driver than Rusell & they should of swapped cars as well with out any favouring car brands .

[@wadedixon6780]

Love how Ingall goes off and then spins out and the journalist is like “well done, wow” 😂🤣

[@7s29]

I like both cars but, something isn't right here. I wonder who sponsored this?

[@Studat]

it's right, the Ford handles like a bucket of shit. Great engine that over powers the suspension 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jamesexploringonline872]

thanks Skafey Commodore you cant beat em... lol loved this clip

[@ThomasHarrisonLord]

3:37 - Genius!

[@phoenix20401]

gee and heres me thinking they were designed to be driven on the road. thats where they should be tested, things like how does it respond on the highway? how does it drive as a daily? what sort of mileage can you expect long distance?

[@TassieLorenzo]

Highway? Daily? I thought these were supposed to performance cars, cars that can attack a tight mountain road with poise and balance. It seems the car you want is the Calais V8 and G6E Turbos, the luxury model that just happen to have the big engine. The SSV and XR8 are supposed to the sports model, right?

[@boss302frostyfordfan2]

5 seconds was all rustys mistakes I reckon bloody hell

[@lincolnquilty3464]

smashed it a lot in the drifting

[@rogerseacombe1955]

I'll have the Holden with the Ford engine thanks ;)

[@john.1717]

270kw ss vs 335kw xr8 which is better

[@nullsig]

my 400 rwkw F6

[@smartey2612]

XR8 by a mile don’t listen to what LS drivers have to say they want to try and get into your head!

[@mushy1983123]

Vf ss 65kw less and still beats it by 5sec around a lap time says it all

[@ZedTee77]

@@mushy1983123 Alot down to the driver there, I don't mean to be negative towards Ingall but Skaife is a much better driver, not saying the falcon would of won but i reckon the gap would be much closer with a driver swap

[@Chabobox1]

@@smartey2612 Yep, I hate how there is so much bias towards Holden, people complain about every little thing with the Falcon but say the Commodore is perfect.

[@chrismann1545]

Mr M Skaife. The man can drive.

[@Ward1706]

Well, 6 Bathurst's to Rusty's 2, 5 touring car titles to Rusty's sole title. Safe to say Skaifey was a rocket. Well, until Ambrose arrived on the scene anyway, the bastard.

[@falconpowerful2362]

Overrated if you ask me, had the car/team/money to win... Now, Mr M. Schumacher... THAT man can drive.

[@7071t6]

check out the VY Clubsport and what he does with it? Heres the link. :)kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJfJf5mvZptlfJY

[@falconpowerful2362]

VelvetSun2 Schuey also WORKED to get where he was (not saying skaife didn't work hard), and you don't make it to F1 (let alone the one holding the majority of the records) without being able to drive. Schuey also put Ferrari back on the top, Skaife had the GTRs and then HRT which were major cars/teams in their categories to start with. Again, I'm not saying skaife wasn't and isn't a great driver, but in my opinion, he's not a world-class driver. Just like Ambrose, Brock, Johnson and Lowndes were/are great drivers in ATCC/V8SC's, but on a global scale, they're all pretty much over-hyped. I guess the point I was trying to make was that it's relatively easy to be a big fish in a small pond, but to build up a struggling team in the pinnacle of ultra-competitive Motorsport and put it up the top takes a special sort of awesome. I'll admit, I'm not a fan of Skaife, but yes, he can certainly drive extremely well, but I really don't think he was as good as he's cracked up to be. I sincerely hope you're not just being the Holden equivalent of what you accused me of ;-) .

[@Skippy-id9yt]

Owned a VH,VR,VS..and XE,XF,EA,ED, and an EL , (moved on to a territory now) and i d have to say the holdens always felt tighter on the road and less "floaty",and a bit quicker ( less weight I thinks the reason) even though id say im a ford person ....but that VF is a bloody great Aussie Car

[@randallk2556]

Yeah your mum drives like the vf Smooth and loud

[@chrissmith9854]

It’s 2019 here,,Hate the interior of the holden Better seats, motor is strong and chassis is great...but I’m a traffic light king..so I’ll take the xr8 so I can smash past the ss with a grin on my face..then just slow down for the corner..both cars are not built to race around a track full stop..and ford got not big dollar injection like holden did so I think it’s a great package..you can’t beat the sound ether

[@litnin3755]

The final showdown should be the xr8 sprint holy grail versing the gtsr w1

[@lamborghinisabbatini]

Skaifey looks like he drank too much coffee!

[@Hubble80]

and spent too much money on his wardrobe and teeth!!!

[@fendushi]

As a true blue Aussie, I miss this.

[@NoSoyYo-TV]

Why didn’t the U.S get the ford ..

[@THRASHED05]

2 legends

[@mr.sunnyg5510]

Get mark in any commodore and watch the "skaife" touch.

[@bigt8702]

Driven both and own a sprint8 Sprint shits all over a Motorsport ss in day to day performance. On the track, well maybe install the same Tyres on both cars and we will see. The Perrelli Tyres ford used on the sprint we’re absolutely crap from day one. I changed mine after 5k it was like night and day.

[@randallk2556]

They’re both great cars champion. The Motorsport commodore and the falcon Long live the banter

[@Victor-wi1yu]

Ford has shut down in Australia Holden is going to as well very soon. It's a sad time where we should be proud of both of these magnificent cars. And yet Wheels Australia chucks a big fat talk about how crap the falcon is. And they were really biased, I personally like Holdens more than Fords, but still, it wasn't a fair fight, to me no one wins coz they are both going out of production. 😭😭

[@yugoboss2679]

How are these guys race car drivers ?

[@MadDog-wh3vi]

YUGO BOSS u just mentioned on this same video, that holden and ford are not race cars but family cars. They both raced Ford and Holden, so u ask how are they race car drivers, no mate they are family car drivers

[@yugoboss2679]

Mad Dog so family men racing family cars thats all

[@TassieLorenzo]

Because they are good? The problem seems to be both of these cars handle rather badly. The mid-corner understeer on the Commodore is unreal, and the less said about the Falcon's lack of balance the better... lol

[@alloandspiral8718]

where was Skaife when Larry Perkins & Ingall....come from last to first.....

[@wadedixon6780]

Allo and Spiral Larry won because he didn’t stop for a pad change, he’d specially designed the brakes so they didn’t have to be, later admitting that it was an unfair advantage.

[@JohnLee-vj9lh]

Skaife, Ingall should team up at Bathurst, They may win the 1000 race

[@CplHound]

falcon isn't the same with an American engine. give it a turbo 6 with some basic mid and tuning and you'll have a much better car. even my xh ute feels better at high speeds compared to a mate's ba ute

[@Cykoid]

only the block is american in the falcon 5 litres hence its different code name

[@Chabobox1]

The engine isn't completely American, it was based on the American Coyote engine and was developed by Prodrive in Australia for the FG MKII FPV line up, Prodrive was then bought by Premcar. Premcar eventually made a package for the XR8 Sprint, it gave it 483 kW and some other updates, it featured OEM reliability which is what really separated it from other power packages for the XR series. Also the Commodore has an American powertrain...

[@djdrifta8329]

Let's be honest the xr8 would be a lot more fun than that mangadore 😂

[@smartey2612]

Dj Drifta it is, we own one and it is ballistic mate!

[@4dshow]

Why does Skaife say gyrate like “ guy-rate”

[@craigb6185]

V8 Mondeo.

[@rabbit73au]

The Ford boys cannot take a loss every video I have seen when they say Holden is better they say sponsored by Holden which is not the case they just can’t take the fact that the Holden is a far superior in handling and also interior design the last of the falcons he’d steering wheel button the same as Holden had in 2003

[@orion5813]

VF's look like a Chevy Malibu. Thank god HSV made it a little bit better looking

[@shellez101]

Why am I watching 2 dinosaurs........I don't mean the cars !

[@georgehonk5558]

Living in past glories.

[@steveg4616]

its shame holden had to close, and ford, but fords name will live on, holdens name will be forgotten in 20 yrs

[@azzamatic4190]

Lucky he didn't race the turbo version, holden would have got chopped

[@Rexy888]

The chassis on the ford is shit didnt you hear ingel say he's never held onto a car so hard motor has little to do with it mate.

[@djizzah]

these werent that great or they wouldnt have gone broke, but the last variants had 2 things in common, good looks and good motors, but another thing in common unfortunately, shoddy build quality and manufacturing processes

[@manofwar577]

dji zzah They didn't go broke It was an overseas decision, why not have a global platform?, its the way all corporations work, welcome to the brave new world.

[@bennehford2188]

Man Ofwar Ikr. Bloody morons

[@TheBradass]

Someone lacks an understanding of economics... neither closed because the cars were shit, they closed because the Aussie auto market is a fucking mess. You guys imported way too many vehicles due to poor trade decisions and let your only manufacters die off.

[@georgehonk5558]

dji zzah yep

[@darrenwalker9777]

Speed kills.....so play it safe and buy the Ford :)

[@coureurdebois]

No comparison. the Holden has a better interior, better braking, superior quality, far better handling. the falcon... well it has the ford badge for the fanboys ;)

[@orion5813]

It's just slower in the real world that's all

[@coureurdebois]

yup, the ford is just slower in real life.

[@coureurdebois]

*so much ignorance from one comment, truly inept you must be* seeing as the 5.2L is heavier and larger than the LT1 your comment exudes ignorance. the LS7 is even lighter than the LS3 despite the displacement. displacement does not equate to engine size or weight. when the LS7 weighs 30% less than the 5.0 and is 30 smaller facts don't agree with your statement.

[@MegaUnavailableusern]

nah man most if not all reviews between these cars say holden is better on track but ford can beat it in straight line. either way the gts beats any ford in any race.

[@pweter351]

if you want pushrods get a HQ 350

[@MrXr8murf]

Surely you could get someone who can drive in the Ford not INGAcile lol

[@mattmus1732]

SPONSORED BY HOLDEN

[@cobbahall7463]

Given that both of them stick to just the one car 5 Seconds on a track that short is mental I love both those cars patriotically but the Commodore has the chassis sorted out way more than the good old XR8

[@Cykoid]

i call bullshit on this they've put up basically a desperate attempt to big up the holden, and they chose the wrong sprint model

[@ratinacage87]

seems the only thing quicker than that commodore is the excuses from the ford fanboys

[@Cykoid]

theres a difference between actually being slower and deliberate skewing of the results

[@MegaUnavailableusern]

xr8 sprint is quicker in quarter mile/straight line but around corners the ss is actually alot better. So on the track ss wins every time

[@brendonburgess9721]

I've owned 2 VE's, driven VF's and currently own an FG. Driven them all at AIR and Mallala over the years. The current shape Holdens are complete doddles to drive on the limit, very forgiving car. FG's feel more direct but the sedan is very skittish. Ute is a little better, surprisingly! So it's not surprising that the FGX is slower against the stopwatch. Love 'em all!

[@Cykoid]

Brendon Burgess do the utes still use the live rear axel? because i've heard they handle very well

[@DropAGearDisappear]

Great video! Go holden

[@smartey2612]

DropAGearDisappear NO ⚠️ Warning Holden diehard fan right here!!!!!!

[@cancan8467]

How much more refined handling and looking is that amazing Holden. Fords just Look so outdated as soon as they role of production floor Holden way ahead of its time

[@lukesm5747]

Except every ford and transmission was more advanced...

[@cancan8467]

Luke Sm they just look plain boring shit heaps fords couldn’t care less about the transmission but you were wrong there too

[@marcusjackson4063]

@@cancan8467 English? I’m a Holden man but there is really nothing wrong with the fords. I love the vf but it was a bit too showy for my liking. All aussie cars are usually simple and well built but they put lots of unnecessary shit on the commodore like electronic park brakes etc. would have been better to keep it simple

[@NickoOutBush]

My FGX Xr6 turbo would eat them both

[@nun2154]

Nick Adams stfu

[@randallk2556]

It’s a shitter v6 a are garbo

[@harryknight9424]

Holden always wins

[@NoBody-ht1oh]

Sponsored and paid for by Holden.

[@smartey2612]

meat axe that’s right spot on mate!

[@Rexy888]

Salty much fords r shit deal with it.

[@roughgooch7859]

golden pineapple juice no one gives a fuck about lap times around a circuit especially when these things are raced on the streets where the Geelong built Barra reigns supreme

[@NoOne56488]

a lot of internet experts in this comment section. Most of you guys are idiots, i own both a XR8 Sprint and SSV Motorsport and can tell you that the Sprint is a shit load faster than the stock LS3 and it's some how 5sec slower than the VF2. Hmm something doesn't seem right here, the SSV redline suspension isn't better than the Sprints (the motorsport is, it uses the HSV suspension). Holden driver was clearly a better driver, would've love to seen his lap time in the Sprint.

[@randallk2556]

You don’t own shit. You own these cars in your dream. Just a pair of balls in your mind poofter

[@infanantme1350]

go team ford

[@jimlovell5815]

Should have tried a mustang then see how the commo looks

[@falconpowerful2362]

I will concede that Ford fucked up with their tyre choices. XR6 Turbos go heaps harder with just a new set of decent rubber.

[@falconpowerful2362]

Well that's I'm my experience at least.

[@randallk2556]

@@falconpowerful2362no one gives a fuck about your $2 comment

[@zorankarabeleski392]

The Turbo sprint will eat them both

[@rabbit73au]

Not if it handles like this one did it was the handling where the Ford failed

[@lukesm5747]

@@rabbit73au didnt fail at handling. Struggled with too much power to put down to the tarmac. Lower the power to 320 kw instead of 370 and it would be better balanced

[@rabbit73au]

Luke Sm if you listened he said the Ford was bouncing all over the place he said he was buggered he said he has never fought a car so hard I can say by experience the Holdens handle better than the Fords I have owned both

[@randallk2556]

Not a chance a shitter v6 would blow up on the 2nd lap

[@djandycornish]

Holden all the way...that ford sounds like a shit box

[@smartey2612]

Andy Cornish when were you not pure Aussie 🇦🇺 LS Amercian owner XR8 clearly Sounds better then the LS. V8 supercharged running at max revs sounds nuts! Thats the XR8 of course!

[@monopupp3852]

Rip ford and holden

[@benno_360]

AU Falcon would smash both of these

[@davenoi]

How obviously biased to Holden, big thumbs down.

[@craigfleming8849]

Holden Commodore far superior

[@captainspaulding1662]

never take a wheels comparison seriously. It's always been Holden biased I won't even bother watching.

[@matthewfuller3665]

So no one really cares

[@01rma]

Give us a falcon anyday, who would w an aussie opel with an oil burning chain streching pile of unreliable steering problematic pile of crap?.

[@jwood299]

Not me, but I will take a Holden any day :D

[@01rma]

Good luck mate!

[@jwood299]

Rob Allen And you too bro!

[@01rma]

Keep in touch mate! by the way are you a mechanic?

[@jwood299]

Rob Allen How did you guess?

[@lincolnquilty3464]

ford smashed that peace of crap

[@ReaLzEdits]

...... This is literally the funniest comment i've seen xD

[@paulmader1052]

Skaife and ingall are probably not the best to test these cars Skaife is a crash test dummy and ingall is just a crap driver

[@Cdog79]

And your a idiot! Both v8 supercar champions and your a nobody. Shut up clown.

[@craigtaylor115]

That’s a complete pile of crap

[@johndoe8781]

Ford can only win against a Holden in a straight cause of its power, it has more of it have to get ford that. HOWEVER 😂 all that said power is not everything and in the real world the roads are not just straight and racing in Australia has a combination of straight and turns. Holden surpasses ford in all area beside one. Ford is faster by 1 second unfortunately 1 second is no way near enough for victory in a real race. Handling plays a very big factor in the real world of racing. Sorry ford you are not good enough and your interior sucks like a 1990's automobile 😂😂😂.

[@kierenalvarez5114]

lol someones daddy got a commodore

[@johndoe8781]

Kieren Alvarez by the look of you I am older than you are lol and in fact u got 3 cars one for my wife one for family and one for me which is the commodore what you got again I didn't catch that?

[@pweter351]

do Holden still use MacPherson struts?

[@lukesm5747]

Ford has a better engine and a better transmission. So at the lights, the holden will lose every time

[@MadDog-wh3vi]

fords are taxi's, not race cars. Ford has more power and still can't keep up with a Holden

[@yugoboss2679]

Mad Dog holdens are family cars both cars are useless for any type of motorsport good for shopping thats it

[@fallenghost639]

Mad Dog the manual takes longer to shift maybe quicker throttle responce but the auto is obviously gonna take off quicker change gears quicker and be better car overall

[@MadDog-wh3vi]

U need to watch the video first, they both did rolling start. Let me guess, yr one of these girl's that only has an auto license. You should ring the V8 supercars federation and tell them to run auto's. Haaaa haaaaa haaaaaa

[@MadDog-wh3vi]

Anyway it wasn't the gearbox that made the ford so slow, maybe the fact that when he tried to turn that big barge of shit, it went off the road. So maybe worry about yr suspension setup and not yr gearbox. Even jesus himself couldn't have made that ford beat the holden.

[@fallenghost639]

Mad Dog i can guarantee that of you put whincup in that ford he wouldve munched that VF and nah bud the only auto ive ever driven is my dads GT lmfao other than that its a manual f6

[@brawrrrXO]

the issue with these cars are the interior for what you pay it look cheap af budgeted around a Toyota Camry and this is why it became thenfall for Australia car industry

[@jagdeepsidhu1]

Commodore has better interior than camry. It's also more comfortable.