Integration into what? Immigration and multiculturalism

[@stevenrichardson1843]

My partner (Thai, recently deceased) loved overt displays of national pride on behalf of the British. She loved being here and was mystified that we wouldn't recognise how lucky we are. Her contempt for non-ethnic Britons who moaned about Britain was something to behold. RIP sweetheart x

[@allisnotwhatitseems.]

😢 may she rest easy until you reunite my friend. Love from Éire.❤

[@johnpurcell7525]

What if being white European iis my Identity Culture and Heritage what will Integration do for that if not eventually destroying it

[@darev6780]

Every country has a right to honour and upholding their unique cultural traditions and heritage. End the Woke nonsense.

[@Abuamina001]

I think (current) Labour Party politics are a large part of the problem.

[@Shine_a_Light2024]

The current Labour Party hate Britain, British values and any people that respect and represent this. Quite clearly their agenda is to totally destroy this.

[@tonyclack5901]

If you don't like the way we live and our culture and history, then don't come here unless you want to live as we live. I notice we don't have a problem with Hindu's, Sihks, Chinese, polish, Hungarians. Why is our government always pandering to every whim and complaints muslim constantly levy against us. The UK obviously does not suit them and begs the question why they came here in the first place and did not select another islamic country to move to??????

[@gerardshort531]

With all due respect if you don't know what is happening across Christian Countries then you will never know so stop asking why the government does this.

[@YyDd-p5v]

culture plus barbarism does not equal multi culterism it results in barbarism

[@pinchebruha405]

What you have is occupiers on your land not interested in integrating at all, be truthful!

[@advocate1563]

Chap's right. As an irish immigrant I still want ireland to win the rugby. I don't pass the cricket test. I remain Irish, including the passport I travel on. I believe the UK is heading to sectarianism. Ironically the Irish know all about that 😒

[@musthaveacamel2157]

I grew up in Derry through the 70's, I never liked seeing the Union Flag , Now i live in England i wish i seen a Union Flag on every Street, but Alas, It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to all of the West

[@johnpurcell7525]

Bt you were British all but name to start with your Grandfather was probably born British speak English support Rugby a British game come from country everything British with coat Green Paint.

[@musthaveacamel2157]

@@johnpurcell7525 We have our own distinct culture from British

[@leslordmusic3115]

Éireann go breagh x

[@gerrardlawless6331]

Your well aware of the size of our island if you have 2 to 3 or 4 million people wanting to come here you have a big big problem

[@againstthedyingofthelight]

I haven’t listened yet. But if you go to another country to live you should integrate into that culture by mixing with the natives, building friendships and relationships. You should find out what the native people value when it comes to social etiquette. I know manners may not seem like a huge deal but many cultures have differences in what they see as polite or rude. And it goes a long way when forming stereotypes. We all do it. What is seen as confidence and go getting can be seen as arrogant and pushy by others. And having worked in retail for two decades, for a very multicultural outlet that serves a diverse group of people, and as someone who likes to observe human interactions, well I can see how cultural differences can impact interactions and lead to actual bigotry. Which causes huge social problems in societies. It takes time for people to settle into a new type of tribe made up of many. The more you add the harder it is. That’s why I think if you value your society these things need to be done slowly and with great care. Mass migration always ends in disaster for at least one of the groups. People don’t like to give power away. Or even share.

[@jasonwolfe5787]

Diversity is conformity. We aren't all the same. Why is every country starting starting to look the same Ireland for the Irish, Nigeria for Nigerians, Pakistan for Pakistanis.

[@bryngilwern5766]

Excellent panel.

[@martinheath5947]

In the 1950s and 60s it was crystal clear to new arrivals what Britain was, its heritage, what everyday values were and in general what a homogenous society looked like. Now it's a free for all at our expense

[@LUFUReport]

Renan makes it clear that race, language interests, military necessity do not make a nation - it is the common glories of the past & the present consent to maintain them for the future. A nation is a great solidarity about suffering together & consenting to a common life. It has nothing to do with race or even merely shared language. Renan would be horrified by the conservative Right's atomized consumerism - which looks at solidarity as abjection.

[@patman142]

Brilliant discussion, thanks

[@Success4u247]

It’s really strange that a government with the progressive mindset, Will in turn invite Citizens from socioeconomic backgrounds who are opposed to the very progressive policies that they are entering.

[@Sarahk150]

I found this really interesting and get the issue with integration and how multiculturalism prohibits integration but some people are asking if integration is ever possible

[@lisettem1009]

Multiculturalism is apartheid that fuels hatred and geared towards undermining homogeneous European societies. See Peter Sutherland, Ireland. American born Barbara Spectre in Sweden. Anetta Kahane in Germany, and the list can go on and on.

[@margaretmorrissey4540]

No it's not because you have different cultures and different beliefs each with their own way of life and no one wants someone else's culture and beliefs rammed down there throat's you can't force your will upon someone else who doesn't believe the same way as you do

[@angelofusco8717]

Well said John

[@gavinfoley103]

Civic nationalism? I wish you well but I dont believe that will work.

[@TG-oo9se]

The Barcelona agreement? The KalgerI Plan? Barbara Specter?

[@sb8163]

Many English nationalists comment that settlers in their country should adapt to their culture, but don't seem to be aware that England's ruling class used Divide & Rule policies to keep the minority Protestant settlers in Ireland from identifying with the majority culture, so that the people would not unite against the political elites. This was done through giving the Planters preferential treatment so that they would not want to identify with the majority as it would mean a loss of their special status (two-tier society) The monarchy is a top-down social order that worked to protect the ruling elite's personal wealth and power and instill compliance in the public. The ruling class rewarded loyal supporters with titles, and lands confiscated from the 'disloyal'. They cared about self-enrichment, not the 'native' people. They divided the native peoples to weaken social cohesion and protect their privileged position

[@douglasnorth2429]

Now the ruling class divide and conquer what they already rule…

[@interestedpart2650]

Excellent

[@jonah9861]

If you reject Christ, you are rejecting your Flag, your classical Architecture, your Heritage, your Family.. and you’ll lose your land.

[@darcylauren1934]

Christianity isn't indigenous to England... it's a mythical tale from the desert nomads not even of the European continent... It was as foreign as these immigrants in its time...

[@edahudson9460]

@@darcylauren1934 Sad to here you say that. I believe in an all powerful God.

[@darcylauren1934]

He's right. We need to promote a majority culture nationally while being tolerant of minority cultures.

[@tonyclack5901]

If you don't want to live as we live then why are you coming here?

[@LS-xs7sg]

I think that position is totally incoherent. There will always be one cultural group which is more evolutionarily adaptive than others. we can support classical liberal Englishness and soft Anglican moral assumptions all we want but the Muslims have more kids and have more ethnic solidarity. You cannot go on forever like that. Eventually there is a tipping point. Any majority which does not attempt to assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners won’t be a majority for long.

[@LS-xs7sg]

I disagree. Any majority which does not assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners will simply be replaced by a stronger group. You may not have noticed by liberal post Anglican boomer types don’t have many kids compared to the Islamic settlers

[@darcylauren1934]

@@LS-xs7sg Agreed which is why language and cultural protection laws must be codified and enforced to promote the majority language and culture.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@darcylauren1934seems to me you could only get to that point by having a nationalist government. And a nationalist political movement would have already provoked the kind of violent resistance that tends to produce a spiral of revolutionary conditions. So by that point the government could do whatever it wanted. My view is basically that a people is justified in doing whatever is necessary to secure a future for itself in its homeland so my views fall way out of the liberal mainstream and would probably see me convicted if I voiced them all openly

[@edahudson9460]

Why leave your country when you want to impose yourself onto the host country.

[@lisettem1009]

Great share and high time to confront the -isms that divide us

[@dave4deputyZX]

John has values that are not shared by the majority of people. For example, hard conservative ideas on gay marriage and abortion. The irish people voted by a large majority for abortion rights and gay marriage in referenda. So the question is, should we deport people like John who dont share the values of the Irish people? Maybe they'd be more at home in reactionary conservative states like Hungary, Russia etc.

[@Whiskeygalore24]

I'm John, so are millions of Irish, I voted for gay marriage we were lied to, all the way by the left.

[@bh_486]

Is abortion a value? Is prefering one body part over another body part a value?

[@joefien3420]

Well said John