Is Across the Spider-Verse WOKE PROPAGANDA??

Go Woke, Go Broke
What can I say guys. What can I say. This movie went woke so it then went broke. Go Woke Go broke. Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse is woke
Guys but seriously. Don't ever use the word woke, agenda, or anything like that. You talk about the quality. Motivation does not matter. It can be discussed if you want for sure. But motivation by itself means nothing. Maybe someone's agenda could better the quality of something. We'll see.
Thanks guys for watching, I love all of you. I planned to make 3 videos for thanksgiving week. I almost did. I'm writing this on sunday. But yeah thank you.
This is the last spider verse video for a year, seriously. Thank you.

[@SomeGuyThatisCool]

i dont get whats wrong with being awake. im literally awake every day

[@marvo9306]

Another day, another victim to the awoke mind virus 😞

[@strict5797]

its kinda gay bro, sleep gang for life. Im writing this while sleeping.

[@grumpyfella]

And every night

[@Jungleali]

@@strict5797yeah same being awake is cringe

[@timbrax]

funny, do stand up, woke bih.

[@RSG200]

Guys the mario movie is not a woke movie because I fell asleep watching it

[@Phantomx_Strider]

true that

[@2SK-EVIL]

(-_-)

[@thescarvedtoed6094]

what about bowser and luigi sex scene

[@Lillenmedmillen]

The classic comedic weave, ya love to see it

[@trollfack2966]

Honestly, I was more annoyed at the scene where Miles is able to avoid every single spiderman in existence with ease. Even though all the others are much more experienced than him.

[@MpumeleloSejam]

Like bro fr

[@EverGreenRivers]

I thought back to that moment and yeah I dose feel like bullshit. It would of been cool to see Peter B Parker like drop his baby off and jacket off and just start knocking spider-men out while trying to catch up to miles. It would be a great way to explain how miles got so far and to show how much he has changed and improved in his life since meeting miles.

[@misterboxhead3045]

And let me ask you, who cares? The scene is sick as hell it don't need to make sense

[@florence7064]

I think many spider-man didn't want to actually chase him

[@trollfack2966]

@@misterboxhead3045 I care because it’s a badly written scene

[@cycle3773]

ngl the LTG clips are always funny cuz he just be saying anything

[@lizardman7718]

Maybe Gwen’s reaction upon learning that Miguel can travel to other dimensions isn’t as strong as it should be, but right after she asks who he is, she asks about his watch, so she obviously still cares.

[@RSG200]

I guess maybe if she was more subtle with her emotions. But she previously made it super obvious to her dad that she didn't like him going after spider man. And of course spilling her guts weirdly to Pregnant Spider Woman. So maybe

[@demiliomason1565]

​@@RSG200 I don't blame you for this since in the first movie She pulls the same routine with old Peter. Despite just telling us how her version of peter died in her arms and this shook her, she isn't phased at seeing a new Peter and just takes half insults at him for the first few mins.

[@sealco]

@@demiliomason1565probably because she moved past it years ago and used half insults as a way to not get attatched to a new peter

[@user-qb6uw9eq7v]

@@RSG200 wdy u mean bro if i saw a pregnant spiderwoman i would lose my mind too that shit is crazy

[@nej6246]

And this introduction was supposed to be alleviated by typical spiderman™ humor. It's not worth looking into

[@finixmoon127]

You’re gonna get cooked with onions for this one

[@RSG200]

Not possible

[@J-Nation20]

I'm confused. Don't poeple have to be awake to either make or watch the movie? Kinda hard to draw the spidermens if you're asleep

[@hexcodeff6624]

Mile's dad literally teleported from the 30th floor into the basement, as he was in the ball room when the collider activated and shook the entire building. Is he Spot's real identity or another, completely new super being?

[@dmmpg]

Well, at least someone is able to criticize media they like.

[@nawsjee]

I'ont think it's fair to call Miles shallow for not wanting his parents to hate him, I think it goes without saying if he were to tell them he's spiderman they would be just as worried for him as Aunt May would be for Peter. We've also seen how being Spider-Man has affected his relationship with his parents and what his dad actively thinks about him, if anything it's more selfish to not tell his parents his identity.

[@zbuilder4664]

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[@mujuniezra1239]

5:29 Of course he's not going to act like spiderman, he was never meant to be spiderman in the first place. That's the whole motivation of the movie, it's not that anyone can be spiderman but rather that anyone can put on the mask. In fact if you look at the movies story arc, he's doing something that every one in the spider community was against because he thinks different from everyone else on that community.

[@tademun7805]

Still makes Miles motivation to not let his parents know pretty hollow "I don't want my parents to know because they'll hate me" like bruh what parent would hate his own son because he's saving lifes? it's like a Firefighter's parents are going to hate him because he does his best to keep people save. It's also bad because Spiderman represents selflessness, he should be worried about his family and friends being in danger, not because they'll hate him if they find out.

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

@@tademun7805 It symbolizes coming out, even though most parents would support you, you'd still feel stressed and try to avoid telling them.

[@tademun7805]

@@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720 you can't really compare coming out to revealing to your parents that you're a superhero, specially if using Spiderman. Plus if it's Just meant to represent something like "coming out", then it still feels uninteresting.

[@thatoneguywhosaysbyethenwa1720]

@@tademun7805 Did you not read it? "though most parents would support you, you'd still feel stressed and try to avoid telling them"

[@hellomate2405]

Cause HES BLAAC- -miguel

[@Sean.R]

I could not believe when i was like half an hour left in the movies run time and i realised that after over 2 hours of watching a movie, its gonna end like the next episode is gonna come out next week or something 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

[@yo-nyxie883]

What is bro yapping about 💀

[@literallymalware]

Hm honestly I don't really agree with a lot of your points. To me, the fact that Peter never opens up to his friends and family about being Spiderman doesn't seem like a "selfless" thing, and more like a character flaw if anything. You see this best in the Insomniac game, but Peter clearly has work/life balance issues and his relationships suffer as a result. He doesn't believe he can or morally should lean on the people who care about him, and that's a feeling that someone obviously should overcome. You can clearly see it in the Insomniac clip you showed: despite Peter "selflessly" hiding his secret from Aunt May, she still worried, and probably worried a lot more than she would have if he was honest. I assume that the beginning part of the video was a joke to make fun of the Ben Shapiro-type of KZbinrs who get offended by "woke" stuff, but I feel like it's still worth it to point out that representation and acknowledgement is still pretty important. LGBT people and other minorities that receive disproportionately large amounts of hate really benefit in the long run from little things like trans flags and gay characters. Stuff like that is exactly what turned me away from the Alt-right and made me stop being homophobic and transphobic everywhere on the Internet. I simply saw enough pro-lgbt stuff, or "woke" stuff, and my defenses got weaker and weaker and I eventually just accepted that it's perfectly normal to be LGBT and that I was being a bigot. You could say that that's literally an agenda, but I'd argue that it's an agenda that we should absolutely have. If you have a platform, I feel like you are obligated to use it for good. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. How much you want that representation to go into your piece of art depends on you, and Spiderverse did the usual thing of just some little references or character representation, and no real plot significance. This to me is just fine and isn't really an example of bad writing. And honestly yeah that ending of Into the Spiderverse when Fisk just stands there lagging is goofy as hell I wish they wrote a reason why he wasn't moving lmao, but overall I thought both movies were better than "meh" simply because of their underlying character messages

[@nej6246]

Perfectly put this into words!

[@lumpystilskin5367]

Yeah gwen acting like a douch to Miguel kinda bugged me. Meanwhile Miles is fangirling the Spider Society which i can vibe with.

[@RSG200]

To my illiterate people the title does not say that this is a review. Thats why I say most of this stuff doesn't matter. But if you guys wanna see an Into the Spider-Verse review catch me in 10 years

[@_grievous_the_epok_gamur_7140]

Pider Man

[@DestusG]

I'll be here

[@atrckr-bf7de]

eh you make some good points but also some I think are just rage bait for like really minor gripes.

[@marvo9306]

Damn, I call it nitpicking but ragebait might actually be it

[@atrckr-bf7de]

@@marvo9306 he speaks in a very aggressive/confrontational way some of it is definitely intentional but I also think that just the way he is a natural instigator

[@finixmoon127]

I mean yeah obviously but it seems to be working out for him, we're all rushing to the comments to give our opinion, boosting the algorithm in the process...

[@atrckr-bf7de]

@@finixmoon127 fair eneugh, nice talking to you have a good day

[@ShadowOfThePit]

I'm curious to know more about what made you change your opinion so much on both of these movies

[@burrito4]

Miles dad randomly liking Spider-Man out of nowhere made no sense it also made no sense how Gwen somehow traveled one week earlier and then somehow attended his school unnoticed

[@CrocsFortress]

I mean it wasn’t out of no where,it’s been like a while and Miles also saved the city from Kingpin so it’s not crazy to assume that Miles dad would have some more respect for Spider-Man.

[@burrito4]

@@CrocsFortress you have to show that because right before he enters the collider room somehow he cheers Spider-Man on when literally in the scene before that he literally said he wanted an "APD on Spider-Man" because he thought he killed Aaron, it's really out of nowhere that he starts acting like that.

[@CrocsFortress]

@@burrito4 Spider-Man is the one stoping Kingpin,he’s literally proving himself that he may not be the criminal Jefferson thinks he is.I think he’d have a change of heart when Spider-Man is literally saving the city from a city level threat.

[@burrito4]

@@CrocsFortress but you can't have a character flip like that without reason he should still be against Spider-Man I'm not saying everything has to be hamfisted for the audience but this arc was literally not shown at all

[@CrocsFortress]

@@burrito4 There is reason,if Spider-Man saved his life then it obviously would give him a change of heart.

[@BongoThe]

i feel like the whole "gwen is canonically trans" meme could make a pretty interesting video on the big differences between canons and headcanons.

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

i can't tell if he's joking or not

[@mihailos8701]

As someone who also noticed Spiderverse 2 having a lot of flaws, I am glad that you decided to share of your opinions that point out them

[@dezzyschannel3078]

I think across suffers from being too long, and not being able to pay off its metaphors. It's a bad movie I think without into. Nobdoy's motivation makes sense without watching into first. The Gwen stuff just seems shallow even with the context of Into. The miles stuff imo is great, and I disagree that the coming out stuff is bad writing. But the problem is if you just watch across it is bad, but with into its mediocre. But again that's across' s biggest issue. I love Into, but its main weakness is its ending. It just kind of happens, which is fine, endings in comic books happen, and you have to wrap it up somehow. But the kingpin fight blows from a writing perspective, he is defeated by lagging by trying to find his family? Bros too smart to lag out like that.

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

those aren't metaphors

[@Pwner_theExtreme]

huh, making me realize stuff i didn't notice before, interesting

[@olymp.6482]

4:10 “ my Family is from México“… fortnite City 💀

[@DJ0553]

You just earn yourself a new subscriber keep doing what you doing.

[@warrenlopez4282]

I think the reason Peter lets Miles fight Kingpin on his own is because Miles was able to trip him in the first place. It shows his growth as a spiderman to be capable of catching a seasoned one off guard.

[@sealco]

Im confused by the into the spider verse thing, is that satire, or do you think the movie is mid bc of two things

[@Mr_Mimestamp]

I didn’t expect to agree with so much criticism of two of my favorite movies of all time! Looking back, yeah, the ending of that first movie is pretty forced. Gwen’s reaction to Miguel is pretty ridiculous. Doesn’t stop me from loving these movies, though! I will disagree with you a bit on the “coming out as Spider-Man is an allegory for coming out as gay” thing. I don’t think that was meant to be a parallel, and if it was, I think there’s a bit more to it than that. I can definitely see where you’re coming from, these movies didn’t really address the whole “no one can know your identity because you need to protect them” aspect. But I think these movies explored a different aspect of the whole secret identity thing in a new way that doesn’t really need to connect with coming out in order to be relatable and understandable. Great video! Even though we disagree on a few things, i’m so glad there are people out there who disagree with me that can express their views in a reasonable, nuanced way. Hopefully I’ve done the same.

[@superiornormie2463]

Thank god someone addressed this man they did this to borderlands for nothing and I still played all the borderlands but it unalived the series for a sec

[@thescarvedtoed6094]

Always welcome to here a bold claim, online people can get safe about their opinions to have backup to validate them, so good job of having actual opinions on your videos for a fresh look at new movies, I personally am a spider-verse 2018 enjoyer but some getting offended over a movie about gay spiderman is the real wokeness in our society

[@marvo9306]

Same here

[@detective2221]

Being gay is propaganda. It doesn't exist, and is caused as a result of trauma in childhood.

[@detective2221]

@@marvo9306 Being gay is propaganda. It doesn't exist, and is caused as a result of trauma in childhood.

[@swiftumbra2748]

Damn you really rip into everything that's popular, enjoyable, and what's considered good shows/movies. You're pretty funny about it though and make some good points I'd like it if you could talk about a show or movie that you think is nearly perfectly or at least high quality and why it as well written as you think it is, like a sort of video essay.

[@savedhebrewisraelites6004]

One of the Spider-verse artists said that they've been to all the meetings and he said he doesn't believe Gwen is trans at all. He said he believes Gwen is only an ally

[@maxinea.sakaki4151]

Love you man ❤

[@crushtion]

Does anyone know what music was played at 6:03?

[@marvo9306]

Just a high pitched and slowed version (?) of "Am I Dreaming"

[@unrighteous8745]

Diversity and representation don't bother me at all; they honestly contribute to making things more visually interesting most of the time and can (not always) make things feel more real. However, none of that helps this movie not suck. Spot was entertaining, but everything else was just so stupid. I won't spoil it, but I rolled my eyes pretty hard at the meta plot point towards the end. Can we just get a good story surrounding like 3 or 4 characters? Why do we need like 15 characters that all get similar screen time? It just feels like a mess. Normally, "diversity" doesn't bother me, but it does take me out of it at times. The pregnant spider-person was one of those moments. There's like 500 other spider-people just chilling in a giant spider HQ... like... take a vacation... there are other people that can replace you... why are you risking your child's life?

[@idontknowanymore2515]

"Can we just get a good story surrounding like 3 or 4 characters? Why do we need like 15 characters that all get similar screen time? It just feels like a mess." so you just want a different story then? because the whole point of the movie is showing the thousands of different spider-men throughout the multiverse. Also it a movie about teenagers already doing dangerous things like fighting super villains or traveling across dimensions and solving tears in reality so your grievance seems shallow.

[@unrighteous8745]

@@idontknowanymore2515 "So you just want a different story then?" Yes because this one sucks, thought I made that clear.

[@idontknowanymore2515]

@@unrighteous8745 your complaining about something integral to the plot. Why complain about something you'll know you'll dislike that's like getting a taco knowing you hate them

[@unrighteous8745]

​@@idontknowanymore2515 I don't understand why you're focusing so hard on a few lines in my original comment, but I'll do my best to explain why dividing focus between so many different characters is bad and takes away from the story. You say it's all integral to the plot, but it really isn't. The story is actually very simple. Spoilers: Miles wants to be with the girl he likes, but she's from another dimension. He wants to hop between dimensions too so he can be with her. He's an anomaly and screws up the meta narrative of another dimension on top of already screwing up his own. He finds out his dad is going to die because of the meta. There is conflict because he wants to stop the meta, but the spider people want the meta to continue as normal. The end of the movie has nothing to do with the rest of it, and it's a cliffhanger where he's stuck in another dimension. Spot is the villain that causes a lot of the plot to progress. Spider-Man 2099 is the leader of the spider people and progresses the plot there. I saw it a while ago, but that's pretty much it. At no point do you need to focus on any other characters for the story to work. Any time we get backstory for a character that isn't mentioned above, it doesn't matter. Any time we get screen time for a character that isn't mentioned above, it doesn't matter. They're taking away crucial development time for characters that are actually part of the story. You can have 1500 spider people chilling in the background and taking part in chase scenes, but focusing on them is a waste; it doesn't progress the story. This is different from an event that directly affects Miles, like when he saves the police chief in another dimension. I know you're just going to comment again saying what an idiot I am and not pay attention to anything I've said, but I tried.

[@idontknowanymore2515]

@unrighteous8745 Dude, the whole point in your original comment was that the story essentially wasn't for you. You said it yourself, you wanted a smaller minded story with a smaller cast. At no point was I saying you were stupid for wanting this. It's what I presume you usually like and you were disappointed with what you saw. All I'm saying is that just because it's what you wanted And it's not what you got. it does not mean that the story itself or the writers are at fault, nor does it make it a flaw.

[@tanimation4806]

I don't really see the revieling to your fam as spiderman as a metaphor for coming out, exept for gwen were it is more like a metaphor bc she is not really canonicly trans, but many transgender people say that they can relate to her conversations with her father and that thed had similar conversations with their familys. So it became more like a headcanon

[@CatEatingburger]

Thanks for not dunking on trans people king!! 👑👑👑👑

[@sburbtube6766]

Trans* representation is so important because there are people out there denying their existence and are committing hate crimes against them. The discrimination is so high that many trans* people are driven to suicide unfortunately. Representation in media and normalizing their existence saves lives. Sure, mexican people can face discrimination as well and representation of them in media is important as well, but I don't think the comparison in the video works. Anyway, still a good video. Also thank you for calling out people who throw around the word "woke" with ill intentions.

[@thisismyname3928]

🏳‍⚧💩

[@trippymartian8847]

Me hoping we get more videos going over comments again:🙏🏼

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

it's simply a representation of the average NYC Citizen who got superpowers right? (just without the city looting stores in riots every summer)

[@40mm-Grenade]

John Marston at 5:13 cracked me up.

[@DestusG]

Well I was awake watching it so I'm woke I guess😂😂

[@yourgirlkafka]

At this point, I'm genuinely interested in hearing about your favorite movies, so that I can meticulously scrutinize each minute detail, potentially labeling a film as subpar, all without delving into the underlying character nuances. Moreover, it's worth noting that Gwen isn't necessarily portrayed as transgender. The narrative of self-discovery and embracing one's identity isn't an exclusive theme for transgender individuals. Disclosing personal struggles to parents is not confined to the LGBTQ+ community; it's a universal character trope that manifests more frequently within this group. A valid point of critique could revolve around Miles effortlessly evading every incarnation of Spider-Man, or perhaps scrutinizing the pacing. It's essential to focus on substantial critique rather than succumb to the opinions of certain individuals on platforms like Twitter or the likes of Ben Shapiro, who might exploit the opportunity to disparage what they consider a 'woke' movie, in this case, merely because Gwen is speculated to be transgender. Trans individuals undoubtedly face discrimination and misinformation, as do members of the LGBTQ+ community. However, it's crucial to recognize that younger generations are generally more accepting of these themes. Your fixation on the controversy surrounding Gwen's alleged transgender identity seems disproportionate. Instead, consider acknowledging that even if Gwen were transgender, it would have minimal impact on the story, except for providing representation for those in the trans community. Constructive criticism is valid, and there are certainly aspects of the movie that warrant scrutiny, such as Miles effortlessly navigating challenges. Yet you just sound like a tiktok hog complaining about something your messiah Ben Shapiro pointed out.

[@hiruyabebaw7140]

Gwen isn't trans tf

[@sburbtube6766]

Why do you care so much and how would you know? Did you create the movies?

[@snekksuperior]

Gwen is not trans bro there's no way 😭😭 That trans flag must have been snuck there😭😭 I really hope miles isn't in for a rude awakening

[@Gumbo354]

Based review ever, it’s like you can’t criticize this movie since everyone else is either bias or worried about getting called out by fans of this cringe woke agenda.

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

The way I always define woke is like this: Progressive (in the context of story-telling) = including progressive talking points, dealing with issues progressives deal with, dealing with political and social stuff that progressives irl deal with, and, SUPER IMPORTANTLY, doing so with sincerity, nuance, understanding of the topic, and while offering something interesting about it to the viewer/reader/whatever you call the consumer of your story. Woke = dealing with the same issues but in an insincere, lazy way that lacks nuance and is basically either just a platform for an ideological message or, even worse, just an attempt to appear progressive and virtuous - virtue signalling. A great example of this: the recent Doctor Who stuff. Russel T. Davies, the showrunner, changed a wheelchair-bound villain, Davros, to no longer be in a wheelchair because, and I quote: "He's a wheelchair user who is evil. And I have problems with it. There is a long history with associating disability with evil! So, this is how we see Davros now, it's 2023." Russel is not disabled in any way. Actual, real-life, disabled people who have to use a wheelchair chewed him out for this on X and in the KZbin comments under the officially published behind the scenes. Or how the same show had a trans woman and a cis woman tell a gender-fluid alien who was literally a woman just a few hours, maybe days prior: "Shame you're not a woman anymore. A male-presenting Timelord could never understand this!" Given who they're talking to, the line even becomes friendly fire against trans people, specifically trans men. Even if it weren't, this is not progressive, this is just an ideological moment of misandry that, by the virtue of its idiotic writing, attacks trans men as well.

[@Ne0rey]

actually good points instead of “MRAHHHH GAY? GAY BAD!” apparently these commenters didn’t get the message

[@QUBIQUBED]

I love this video I feel the same way

[@rais6036]

Make an AOT video

[@jamesb.russell2942]

Good video. But I think it's a bit of both. "Woke" is shorthand for "insertion of liberal or left-leaning political talking points," and usually comes in a post-modern, subversive form meant to challenge the tropes we've had for a while. Problem is, storytelling and mythology have been the way they've been for thousands of years, so changes to it, on the basis on wanting to be "new" doesn't work. It's why films like Last Jedi feel so unfulfilling. They still adhere to the Monomyth Structure (mostly), but have lost the plot on a lot of heroic archetypes because the storytellers don't know what makes heroes heroes anymore. It's a complicated idea, which is why "woke" is used to encapsulate it, but misappropriated. It's not woke to have a black character in a movie, but it IS woke to have a black replacement of a white character when the reverse would almost never happen. Double standards like that are a byproduct of wokeness. If anyone is still confused by "woke," think about what a reverse-woke film would be: a story about blond Aryan people, all completely noble and virtuous, living in a crime-ridden city where every single non-white person is depicted in some kind of negative light. The villain is a minority who seems animalistic and cruel to the bone, by his nature. And when he hurts the perfect white family, and the law does nothing to stop him, the males of the family resort to vigilantism to hunt him and his gang down. Now whether or not that sounds like a kickass movie, it would be called "problematic" very quickly. But -- white families exist. Black criminals exist. This is a story that could happen in real life (and sometimes does) but that's not the point. The point is that some audiences may not like how their group is represented. In the case of Spider-Verse, the only prominent white character that plays an active role in the story, Peter B. Parker, is mostly absent from the second film. And when he's around, he's dressed in pink and takes on a motherly role, babysitting his daughter and weirdly opting to take her into a dangerous situation. In a vacuum, that's just fun and silly. But given our cultural landscape today, where white heroes, especially our legacy ones, are routinely humiliated, deconstructed and retired (Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, Doctor Who) this isn't a good look. It feels deliberate. Consider also the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. White men were a prominent part of the whole saga up until the Sequels, where the only main white men are villains or old/useless (to be killed off). We can argue endlessly about this topic, especially with how minorities were nearly absent in the other trilogies, but that always depicted the demographics of the audiences. Audiences for nerd franchises in the countries in which they were made are majority white. And still, these franchises had international appeal. Lord of the Rings, the whitest and manliest work of fiction from the last century, had international appeal with a cast of only white people, before the movies were even made. The pushback of "woke" to cure "problematic" is always going to be uphill because these were stories and characters that people liked ALREADY. Changing some elements to deliberately tear down and deconstruct and subvert what we used to love is rarely applauded except by those who weren't diehard fans to begin with, who welcome inserting their ideas into places it doesn't belong. Consider anime. A mostly Asian cast in the vast majority of cases, with an international appeal. I need hardly tell you of the huge Latino fanbases for anime which hardly ever depicts Latino characters anyway. Most of these hobbies and franchises never needed to depict "everyone" on screen. Doing so feels forced in many cases. This is why the term "forced diversity" was coined and has yet to be disproven. Sorry for the wall of text. Good review of the film. I was let down by it after liking the first movie (watched it before I caught onto the subversive messaging in media, generally). It was much too long to be only a first part with no real climax.

[@theseedoflife5102]

Thank you Russell,atleast you seem to understand the consecuences of altering a character's essence for the sake of a political view,trend or because "fuck the status quo"

[@samk7400]

I didn’t read all your comment, so apologies if you addressed this, but a line that stuck out to me was that minorities were mostly absent from the first two Star Wars trilogies, when I’d disagree. Pretty sure all the clones are minority characters. You also had Mace, jango, boba, and lando. Though for background characters you could be right, haven’t watched it in a long time. Like sure the majority of the main cast that were human were white, but that’s kinda to be expected to some extent for the era they were made in. There were, however, quite a few minority characters who played decent sized roles in the first two trilogies.

[@jamesb.russell2942]

@samk7400 You're not wrong at all. My point is more that you don't NEED a huge helping of minorities for any movies made by white people for a majority-white audience. European myths feature European characters. Lack of foreigners isn't racism; it's just the nature of stories since we first started telling them. When it's forced in a manner that is unrealistic for what the story is meant to be (like a historical drama about indigenous Europeans, or an adaptation of a fictional work written by Europeans), then it's an automatic distraction because the decision is almost never made for organic, in-universe reasons. It's done because someone in the production pipeline demanded it be so. You ever ask for their reasoning, at worst they skirt around DEI and say something like "we hired the best actor for the role" which is doubtful in some cases. Depending on the role, it shouldn't be open to certain people. Much like how I wouldn't cast a wheelchair-bound dwarf with facial tattoos as Superman, I also wouldn't cast an African as Doctor Who. And yet, the latter case occurs and objection is treated as illegitimate criticism.

[@idontknowanymore2515]

@@jamesb.russell2942 " I also wouldn't cast an African as Doctor Who. And yet, the latter case occurs and objection is treated as illegitimate criticism" Then your just ignoring canon the doctor can reincarnate as anyone why can't he be black?

[@idontknowanymore2515]

What are talking about? Honest to god it feel like your speaking out of your ass. First of all where are you getting your information from, random people,online scholars or general knowledge. Woke can't really be defined , its a term made up on the internet used to insult pieces of media that a person disagrees with on a political level. Also what are you talking about with " storytelling and mythology have been the way they've been for thousands of years, so changes to it, on the basis on wanting to be "new" doesn't work." Are you like a fucking alien or something? You speak so authoritatively on subjects you can't possibly have experience with outside of third party KZbin videos, like how can you believe that for thousands of years stories in the western world have had a similar story structure and all it took to bring it down was the creation of a shitty star wars story about a women fighting a galactic empire to destroy that thousand year tradition? Also another point what do you mean by modern writers can't write heroes? There are hundreds of thousands of writers and storytellers there not a monolith just because there's a bunch of shitty superhero movies now doesn't mean the whole industry is dead. "It's a complicated idea, which is why "woke" is used to encapsulate it, but misappropriated. It's not woke to have a black character in a movie, but it IS woke to have a black replacement of a white character when the reverse would almost never happen. Double standards like that are a byproduct of wokeness." First of all what about the people who do attribute having black, gay or trans characters in a piece of media as woke? Do they just not exist or do you disavow them? Also replacement of characters actors have always have happened in media and always will which is not entirely due to politics. "In the case of Spider-Verse, the only prominent white character that plays an active role in the story, Peter B. Parker, is mostly absent from the second film. And when he's around, he's dressed in pink and takes on a motherly role, babysitting his daughter and weirdly opting to take her into a dangerous situation. In a vacuum, that's just fun and silly. But given our cultural landscape today, where white heroes, especially our legacy ones, are routinely humiliated, deconstructed and retired (Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, Doctor Who) this isn't a good look. It feels deliberate" What is your point here? It makes you feel uncomfortable so it's bad writing? also heroes and stories have always been deconstructed that will always happen with a popular story trope or general component. Consider also the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. White men were a prominent part of the whole saga up until the Sequels, where the only main white men are villains or old/useless (to be killed off). We can argue endlessly about this topic, especially with how minorities were nearly absent in the other trilogies, but that always depicted the demographics of the audiences. Audiences for nerd franchises in the countries in which they were made are majority white. And still, these franchises had international appeal. Lord of the Rings, the whitest and manliest work of fiction from the last century, had international appeal with a cast of only white people, before the movies were even made. Wow your amazing! You made an actual point that can be argued about. I agree stories can have appeal no matter the demographics of the cast but that's not common nor needed for a good story. The changing of a characters race is has been a generally non-existent issue for year that has been happening probably since the beginning of storytelling and isn't necessarily bad for the story. In reality your points make no sense , you come off as ignorant on issues you have no understanding of and seemingly uncomfortable with change in general as shown with your weird comment on peter being shown as a dad.

[@CrimsonX509]

My rating on into the spider-Verse is a 7/10 however still good movie

[@hhgff778]

Man, honestly idk why we need pegnant Spider-woman, like she is risking that baby's life by fighting people and stuff that's kinda dum. Anyways i think the word "woke' has been so overused to the point it means something completely different.

[@streetplaya23]

Shot of Israel Adesnya when you said "racist and gay" lol. The irony there.

[@rokmutul8445]

Another day another victory to the og

[@monkigunfromhalo6653]

Taking out the sweats, the imposters among us 🤔😏😏

[@wickedvulture4224]

Speak about how miles was able to escape HQ. It’s like the other spider dudes were literally trash.

[@Bragemaster]

satire at its finest.

[@userunfriendly9304]

Animation was cool, so it kept me entertained enough. Though, you could jingle some keys in front of me and I would totally flip out.

[@redacted9990]

Honestly the intro scene with the band and drums was so off the wall cringe…something with similar to the characteristics of lonely wh*te men… Holy moly! 🏳️‍⚧️🕷️🕷️💦💦

[@ShadowOfThePit]

why you censoring a color, is this sarcasm?

[@CowboyCookhouse]

I thought the movie was amazing and I hate woke propaganda. Seemed like a breathe of fresh air for the most part

[@bigcuh78]

Good becomes great when there's alot of bad I guess

[@LightOfMyLife227]

Nah I'm dead 😂😂😂

[@hellomate2405]

I completely agree with this video. I watch a great ton of movies and I can tell when a movie is good or not. When I watched the movie I couldn't understand the hype,yeah the animation was great,a few jokes here and there were great but mostly the entire movie was badly written. These so called interaction scenes that were supposed to be emtional were cringe asfuck and the characters this time were just straight up terrible. The pregnant afro spider woman riding around in a bike? I mean who came up with that shit? And the indian spiderman was worse coupled with the spider punk. Most jokes were recycled from internet memes. It's a mediocre film with terrible writing, characters amd plot. Into the spiderverse was much much better than this.

[@MpumeleloSejam]

Elon Musk always asleep thats why he rich

[@eljaguar4789]

Your right. I just watched it and was not impressed. No wonder it got beat by Boy and the Heron

[@marvo9306]

ima be honest, some of these sound more like nitpicks. I kinda get the final scene being "forced", but what are some other scenes?

[@RSG200]

Off the top of my head, Peter succumbing to miles trying to cry, Spider gwen showing up and destroying doc ock, Spider people talking about miles not being "ready", and noir saying "i love you guys." Also a lot of lack of writing skill like characters being straight up under developed and Mile's character arc was honestly pretty abc. I think I might make an updated spider man movie tier list to go more in depth but we'll see. Thanks for watching the video buddy

[@notplancha131]

I personally disagree but that's a fair take

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

forced waste of time pandering yummy! 😋

[@iamgamer297]

Wtf did I just watch it not entirely woke

[@misterboxhead3045]

Everybody who says that the mario movie is not woke will be very disappointed once the paper mario thousands years door come out let me say that

[@ShadowOfThePit]

How is an upcoming game related to the movie

[@August_Dust]

I think he's referring to the purple ghost side character in paper Mario thousand year door. Apparently that character was transgender.

[@August_Dust]

I think he's referring to the purple ghost side character in paper Mario thousand year door. Apparently that character was transgender.

[@siaa7078]

hold the tape, are you saying mario is successful bec it didn't had any trans people in it?

[@ambientNexus]

they're joking

[@backgroundcharacter4376]

who hurt you?

[@_V.Va_]

Woke's real definition basically shows or films pretending to be aware or pretending to care about social issues. "Hello fellow kids, WE GET YOU!" "Woke" as some manchildren use it, is a thinly veiled way of saying they're sexist or homophobic.

[@lepid_3845]

I think having Gwen be trans is fine, I don't understand the issue with normalizing trans people in popular media. It doesn't really have to define a character. Either way, I do agree that actually implementing it into her struggles could have been interesting.

[@Arrowslinger2]

Yeah no, just make a new character.

[@RSG200]

Just so you know i wasn't saying that like a critisism. I was defending gwen to the poeple saying that her being trans meant the movie was woke.

[@savedhebrewisraelites6004]

As a black man, I don't like it. I think it is racism from the left. Oh sure give the black male character a lady boy so we can keep him away from our white women. I cannot stand that. If Gwen is trans I am out.

[@netheriteingot6878]

@@RSG200is she even trans tho. like i don't get how we all came to that conclusion that shes trans and not an ally

[@shupasopni]

@@Arrowslinger2This is a new character. This is Spiderverse Gwen. She has been in exactly two movies. Like you might as well say Spider Punk can't be Spider Punk cause he don't have the electro palms. They take liberties as these are au versions of the characters. None of the Peter Parkers we see are previous Peters, even if the might have superficially similar scenes from their pasts as the Toby Peter.

[@jamescourt6554]

This is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen lmao 😂

[@novatherel]

😭😭😭

[@StrawHatRain]

You kind of remind me of a white version of dunkey

[@SaBhu10an]

👍

[@ilknurkahveci3047]

GwEn Is TraNs then miles is naz (suit colors)

[@arjunramesh3587]

across the spider verse made 700 million dollars

[@postmelons2282]

I really liked seeing middle eastern spiderman as I am middle eastern, I liked the representation a lot, I liked seeing the jokes like how other people called tea chai tea, or naan bread instead of just naan. Representation hits people pretty hard. I know not everyone cares if they are represented at all. But it makes a difference to a lot of people so I say being awake during movies is pretty cool, it helps you see the movie I think.

[@tallerwarrior1256]

Diversity and Representation works when it has purpose and the character’s personality and story goes beyond what they represent, Pav and Hobie for example. On the other hand Spider Woman only exists in this film to be the representation for strong and empowered diverse women. Most of her screen time showed her to be bossy, mean, and cold. When really they could’ve really played into the motherly aspect of the character and had her be a maternal figure to Gwen. Hell maybe they could’ve even revealed her to be Miguel’s love interest and had her more involved with his backstory which would’ve created a more intimate and interesting dynamic between the two characters.

[@toadtreeunhinged3679]

@@tallerwarrior1256not everything has to have some huge important purpose to the movie. If someone wants to see themselves represented without it having a lot of relevance to the story they are allowed to.

[@tallerwarrior1256]

@@toadtreeunhinged3679 Yeah but at least make the character interesting through writing, personality, and style. I mean again look at Hobie. He’s not really important to the main story or to Miles himself but he still stood out above everyone else and ended up being a fan favorite.

[@Mr_Clean1]

I disagreed with almost everything you said. Great video! Keep making bangers

[@nej6246]

Most of this video is about nitpicks which are barely connected to character arcs and writing though. I personally wouldn't let that change my opinion on the whole movie, because it feels kind of forced if I'm being honest

[@yo-nyxie883]

5:18 I actually agree with this tho

[@RSG200]

You're not spider man buddy

[@yo-nyxie883]

@@RSG200 :(

[@GOLOY685]

"Go woke, go broke." The quote of the year.

[@burner555]

*The quote of 2018+

[@self-absorbed5269]

Equating sexuality to everything under the sun is just plain moon logic. Somebody needs to get laid , or touch grass.

[@coprophagichobo2377]

Spiderman is spider man, miles is a different spider man, of course he’ll be stupid. But yeah bad writing I guess?

[@lukethespaceman3231]

The coming out as spider-man thing is meant to be more literal with Miles and more of a metaphor with Gwen. That's why her potentially being trans does add another layer to the movie since it adds another layer onto the existing character conflict.

[@kingdomofhearts9999]

that makes absolutely no sense

[@NeotripARG]

if you dont mind, at least in my opinion, just being completely objective, i kinda think the movie is cool so your criticism is wrong and dumb

[@erdood3235]

Barbie ain't woke enough. Go watch Jessie gender's analysis on it

[@ninjdraw8305]

the super martin movie was a masterpiece to think otherwise is wrong, blumbo 😔

[@tigerbear5845]

Personally, I find the people who complain about the "woke agenda" are kind of hypocrites. They complain that trans or gay people are always triggered by everything, but then they all get triggered over gay or trans characters just... "existing" in fiction in general.

[@crispychips7161]

"Oh yeah! we-well, you also get angry at stuff, so HA!" You're actually a toddler. get off the internet and play outside like a normal kid.

[@tigerbear5845]

@@crispychips7161 Did you even read the comment? Do you not understand the concept of hypocrisy? Like, these folks are literally the ones who complain about people being offended by everything and then get offended by gay or trans people existing. That's hypocrisy; that's being inconsistent. They claim we are all so sensitive and get offended if you use the wrong word, and then Elon gets triggered and claims that "cis" is a slur when it's literally just a Latin prefix that means the opposite of trans, dating back over 2000 years ago. Seeing as you've gone straight to childish insults, that just proves my point. You're literally getting triggered right now bucko. Go touch grass; do you want to be a triggered snowflake?

[@zizzurp9007]

Here for the butthurt miles fan comments

[@Miketheeditor67]

I am bi sorry rsg2

[@BlueToothGrenade]

Gwen isn’t trans she’s had those colours for years, congratulations there was a poster for 3 frames of the movie 🎉🎉 (More likely the Peter of her world who died was trans and that’s why)

[@mralpha2885]

Wow just wow

[@siaa7078]

5:00 bro this is just comedy gold, what are you complaining about

[@Lillenmedmillen]

Huh, I thought this would be some form of leftist bait, but I must say, your arguments were very nuanced and valid

[@detective2221]

Woke is wrong.