Is It Worth Waiting For The New 2025 Toyota 4Runner Or Should You Buy The Current One?

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[@billp5424]

Jay Leno has said “The last of the old is often better than the first of the new”.

[@revefamilyvideos3018]

He was talking about the children locked in his basement

[@atmartens]

He, but also anyone with common sense lol. The first generation of any new model is more likely to have issues then the last year of a production run.

[@edwermelendez8452]

He probably said it right after stealing Conan's job. 😂

[@jonathanratliff4780]

@@revefamilyvideos3018😂😂😂😂

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

If it is made in Japan, it is better no matter what; new or old.

[@Jok3rz21]

Wait until the 2050 9th generation 4Runner with one cylinder, quad turbo, methane gas powered making 1,055 horsepower for $135,000. That’s the one to get.

[@lunamaria1048]

Just 135k? You are generous lol

[@WatchMeBURNFuel]

@@lunamaria1048 Agreed. It will probably be more like $300k with the average persons salary being around maybe 80k. We're all going to be poor in the future lol

[@lunamaria1048]

@@WatchMeBURNFuel We are already going poor as the elite steal the wealth of our nations. In 2050, $80k a year will be mega poverty, fuel will be several hundred per liter and these 4runners will be for the Elon Musks of the world lol

[@jimmyyang901]

More like $350,000.

[@providentpathfinders219]

by 2050 the kids posting on here that think they know something, still live with mommy and daddy, and dogging the 6th gen….WILL BE DRIVING A 6th gen 😂😂😂 history repeats itself.

[@symple19]

Just bought a 24' ORP. Actually signed the day after they revealed the 6th gen. That's my answer to this video.

[@barrydraper]

If this is a long term purchase, the 2024, naturally aspirated V6 is the ONLY way to go. If you know; you know...

[@ALMX5DP]

What do you deem a long term purchase to be?

[@OGtruthserum]

@@ALMX5DP 20 to 30 years.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@OGtruthserum I can see the new one doing that fine if properly maintained. I can find original engine turbocharged vehicles from 20 years ago just fine, and I’m sure certain aspects have improved potential reliability and longevity since then.

[@trailrunnah8886]

I have a 17-year-old Volvo with over 200k with the original turbo. It's been good, long-term.

[@austinatomTV]

Y’all are over complicating this just like the over complicated engines lol. Simple engines and components have less things to break. Plain as that. The 24 is PROVEN over double digit years and this new power train is not. Stop falling for the shiny new object and use common sense. Get the 25 if you want. Your money. But if you want true peace of mind and PROVEN bulletproof reliability get the dinosaur

[@jetman1979]

I bought the 2024 SR5 premium because I know it is good old school engine. The 5th gen is proven.

[@HyperXism]

Bought a 2024 4runner TRD off road premium. Got a great deal and true and tested reliability. May upgrade to 6th gen once I am comfortable that it is as reliable.

[@cmiles97x38]

Here is the way I see it. I wouldn't buy a Toyota extended warranty on the 2024 but absolutely would on the 2025.

[@SLHJR0390]

Yes exactly

[@Shmity1962]

I have on order TRD off road premium, solar octane. It’s still on the boat. I still drive my 3rd gen 1996 4Runner with 275,000. I wanted one of the last old school Toyotas

[@beaurodriguez5640]

Toyota can take my money I’ve had three 4Runners and a GX currently. Uber reliable and look fantastic.

[@m.687]

🤡

[@rocknrollresignation93]

Can’t go wrong with 5th Gen. sure Toyota will do the 4 cylinder turbo better than other brands but it still won’t touch the reliability of the 4.0 V6

[@johnwebb2232]

I hear you on that one. My 5th gen 4runner trail edition has only 54000km on her and never given me any kind of trouble. She's my daily driver and my overland vehicle for many camping trips. The 6th gen looks OK, considering it looks too much like the Tacoma. I think I might keep my 5th gen. Love my 4runner.

[@cormaro1376]

Acting like the 4 cylinder turbo hasn’t been around as long as the v6….

[@MrBe787]

@@cormaro1376not that 4cyl turbo. And turbo charged engines will not and cannot be as reliable as normally aspirated engines. Please don’t bring up turbo diesel’s either.

[@cormaro1376]

@@MrBe787 yes the 4 cylinder turbos in the Lexus model in the 250 and others , they been around for a min , it will last with regular maintenance but there’s also extra maintenance with turbos lol

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

5 Gen all the way-very simple, reliable and basic but the dinsour is bullet proof to say the least.

[@broodp4]

All the dinosaurs are dead. 6th gen all the way!

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

@@broodp4 LOL

[@-----------------------------]

Pay more for old tech, it's only worth it if you can get it at a markdown price. Knowing Toyota fanboys, they'll buy it above MSRP.

[@terrynichol577]

Not everybody's dumb though​@@-----------------------------

[@fuze3522]

my stepdad has an '05 4 Runner with the good ol 4 liter. Its a beast of a truck off road and the V6 has so much torque that there was almost no point to getting the V8 haha, much better fuel economy too. 240k miles and still runs like brand new

[@philipashley9723]

I purchased a new Bacelona red 4runner, off road premium, in January. I wanted something with proven reliability. It has all the technology I require. I don't go off road, I live in the snow belt, east coast. I don't drive much anymore, I'm handicapped. I started driving in 1959, in England, at the age of 15. People complain about gas mileage, it does not make much sense to me, most drivers pass me doing 80 mph, on roads with a 55 mph speed limit. Driving off road, further reduces the mpg, considerably. I drive 5 mph over the posted speed limit. My journey last Saturday was 74 miles, my mpg average was 22.6 mpg, no complaints here.

[@JohnDoe-wy2py]

When I claimed to get 23 mpg highway driving no faster than 5 mph over the speed limit a couple of commenters went ballistic and called me a liar. So prepare yourself to be attacked by those that don’t have much driving skills.

[@mauriciohenao6590]

I'm keeping my 5th gen 4runner

[@tedbell4416]

Same here

[@cartopia6161]

I’m keeping my 4th gen 4Runner.

[@sha6mm]

Ditto

[@Geno20916]

I’m keeping my 3rd gen.

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@lowonairadventures]

I just took delivery of my 2024 4Runner TRD Off-road Premium in Barcelona red that I special ordered, I purposely chose the 2024 because it was the last call for the 5th generation. I am excited for the 6th gen but would rather wait and see how they work out in terms of reliability

[@Tyler-sl6vg]

Barcelona Red so good! I don't wash mine often enough but whenever I do I am always struck by how nice the color is.

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@lowonairadventures]

@@Rapido20 The 2025 model had not been officially released at the time I ordered my 2024, only speculated on at that point, nonetheless we were all pretty sure the 2025 was going to be a new model. And the fact that this vehicle was basically released 15 years ago was a selling point for me, it is a proven product with few issues and the latest, greatest technology is not as important to me. I’m sure the 6th gen will be a good vehicle and I may own one some day but I’d rather not have the first year of release 🤷‍♂️

[@lowonairadventures]

@@Tyler-sl6vg I was going back and forth between this and solar octane which is cool too but nearly impossible to find in my area, in the end I’m super happy with the red! 👍

[@victorcastillo2650]

Could you explain more the special order process? Could I ask for a specific color with specific package? E.G. Barcelona Red with KDSS & No Moonroof?

[@mikejones762]

nissan now is the time to drop a NA V6 xterra

[@jdogtag567]

Agreed

[@zachsummers3321]

Agreed nissans 3.8.

[@Garlander]

Especially with what Z1 is doing with the current frontier.

[@aredman22]

As a happy current 5th Gen 4Runner owner, I still miss some things about my previous XTerra - mainly the manual transmission.

[@mitchstein288]

A correctly done (I.e., not CUV based!) Xterra would be EPIC.

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

I like my current 2020 4Runner. I can’t afford to upgrade. The only reason I would upgrade is for better fuel economy but our second car is a Corolla Hybrid so it evens out.

[@eighty6films]

My perfect 4-Runner, is one that’s under $50,000

[@benrhoads6406]

MORE COLORS IN THE WORLD!! I agree 110% Andrey.😊

[@mattsullivan3751]

Strongly considered picking up one of the last fifth generations. Then I realized my ‘16 only has 70k and has a at least 20 years of service remaining. Plus I’d be better off investing the $20k it would cost.

[@thomas77597]

My wife drives a ‘15 with 40k miles hah.

[@pzadach]

Just picked up a 24 Limited. Drove the new Taco back to back with the Runner to compare power trains. Liked the 4.0 better.

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@alfredocastellanos1529]

@@Rapido20sapo

[@ryanschmitt2]

All the people who used to talk about Toyota reliability and standards now suddenly believe they know better than Toyota with the new engines lol.

[@cashkenterprises5584]

It doesn’t matter if the consumer is right or wrong. If they think the v6 is better, they won’t buy the new 4 cylinder, which will only harm Toyota. The consumer will just move to a different company or stick to their old 4Runners. That is the gamble that Toyota is taking.

[@petrolhead9702]

Most of the time consumers don't know what they want and they need some herding. I know this statement sounds arrogant but it is necessary otherwise consumer trends would eventually become stuck in such a way that the products won't be able to answer consumer demands and also regulations imposed on by governing bodies.

[@frontier_etc]

We go through this every time. Everyone said Ford was nuts when it introduced the first 3.5 turbo V6 in the F150. And years later reliability has proven to be excellent. Time will show here that this turbo 4 will be reliable. Tale as old as time.

[@KeenVanguard]

I'm only buying a Tacoma now because it comes in a Hybrid. A lot of people are tired at 19Mpg. But not only that it's faster now.

[@nm-qt2hb]

​@@frontier_etc Also when they went to the aluminum body.

[@JohnDoe-wy2py]

Most of us 4Runner owners will never go off roading or do any towing. It seems your reviews target a very small audience. I wish Toyota had upgraded the transmission and kept the 4.0 V6 and made the 4 cylinder turbo a no cost option

[@tycotoys]

End of March 24 I picked up a new 4R TRD ORP W/KDSS My fourth 4R and the best one yet.

[@andregonsalvez9244]

Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦 Andre and great show TFL ! I would certainly wait until the new style 4Runner proves it's self and i will keep my 5th generation 4Runner for as long as I can . 😊

[@josephalvarez4609]

Probably the 2024 4Runner will last longer just for the fact there is no turbo to worry and is a proper V6 engine.

[@matthewprather7386]

The turbo four prolly has 30% fewer moving parts to wear out and fail. And it won’t need to rev high for much of its life. Turbocharging is decades old technology, used in most commercial vehicles. Toyota could have messed it up but I suspect the new power train will be fine.

[@ejesoriginal]

😅

[@davidgonzales82]

Dream 4Runner is not going to be made. It would be a white trailhunter with an 8 cylinder.

[@makatron]

Source: trust me bro.

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

WRONG

[@bowhunter182]

Most definitely buy the current model year NOW.They are made in Japan. It's about as bulletproof as you're going to get.... So if you want the last of the reliability 4 RUNNER . BUY IT NOW...BEFORE IT ALL GOES AWAY!!

[@stevekniess3665]

Thank you Andre. Great video

[@daveglanville7059]

I picked up a ‘23 SR5 Premium. I figured they’d go turbo and Tundra had its problems. In all of my years I have never needed lockers and always managed to get where I needed to go but then again I’ve never been into heavy rock crawling or using my rig as a boat through 3’ or more of mud. I simply like over landing.

[@Medicandy]

I just bought me a week ago a new 2024 TRD-ORP in Ice-Cap with KDSS & mtm. List price with all options was $52,116.00, and the dealer had a $3,500.00 off sale, plus I was able to negotiate another $1,500.00 off. All in all I paid $47,116.00, which I thought was a good deal. I may buy me a new 4cylinder turbo model in five years or so, but I'm going to love my "old" V6 4Runner for now! :)

[@steele5823]

My 2007 Limited 4Runner was totaled by rust (it was my grandpas in VT). First wanted to get a 2024 Taco TRD-ORP or 4Runner TRD-ORP but prices were around or above what you are saying. Spent $41K to get a loaded 2022 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with 14K miles that was used by dealer as a loaner. They inspected and changed oil, lube, filters every 2K miles or so. Did I make the right call?

[@user-jm5dw3gm8y]

I got mine with ice-cap 2024 ORP premium, kdss, cameras, heated seats, steering wheel etc for $48,000.

[@nk48]

$47K for that ORP after tax is a great deal. Enjoy the awesome vehicle!

[@linleytate9000]

Is this OTD? Is an sr5 premium with 3rd row, moonroof, xp package in underground, at 51.5k a good deal?

[@michaelteague1371]

65k plus 15 to 20k of interest on a 5 year loan. 90k after the dust settles is a hard pass. Not a good choice even for those making 100k or more but you do you. Still love watching videos about the new stuff you guys put alot of time and effort it shows.

[@eyesurgeon69]

30% of new car buyers pay cash. Not everyone finances for half a decade. In which case the price is the price and it’s not getting any cheaper.

[@leechburglights]

Thanks for the great footage TFL! I have a 2020 4Runner SR5 Premium in Nautical Blue with 14k. Probably not going to upgrade just yet since mine is still new. But I can't lie, I do love the look of the 6th gen and if things change after the next 5 years, I'll consider it 🙃

[@blackwatch7151]

I feel so much better with how reliable the new Tundra is for 20% more. No turbo issues or engines seizing! No rattling interior pieces or windows, no misaligned tailgates or body panels. This turbo will last forever. How’s that? Did I drink enough kool aid?

[@brianh5393]

Some people are addicted to Kool-aid 😂

[@duaneknight631]

I ended up with a 24 ORP I do like the looks of the new 4Runner but not the 65k probably price tag. There’s a few master Toyota mechanics talking about the new motor already, saying they already been inside them when the 4.0 they hardly ever been.

[@Mountain-Hiker]

One thing that I really like about the limited, is that it has full-time all-wheel-drive. I’ll look at it more like it’s a luxury-ish SUV that also has the full capability of the legacy 4Runner.

[@mitchstein288]

Toyota missed the mark BADLY when they didn't include full-time 4WD on more trims...

[@stevecornell8260]

We ordered my wife a 24 limited (because it will never go off road anyway) for the tried and true platform and power train.

[@J-Murph412]

The first year or 2 for any new Toyota generation are well known for having some initial bugs/issues that are eventually worked out via Kaizen (continuous improvement). That having been said I just purchased a low mileage used ‘21 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium for half the price of what the new ‘25 TRD Pro will cost (leaving plenty in the budget for some light off road mods) and a few years down the line once the new 6th gen turbos have proven themselves to be reliable/have the bugs worked out might consider upgrading. But perfectly happy with the proven reliability and capability of the 5th gen for now. :D

[@StardustADV]

I will wait a few years until the 6th gen is affordable on the used market. Besides, then it will have more time to prove itself. Also, my 200k mile 3rd gen is still running strong. I am in no rush to "upgrade". I also hope they make a trailhunter thats not hybrid. More affordable off road 4runner with that built in raised intake would be my target when they hit the used market.

[@charname-player]

Used Toyota? Not much cheaper than a new one

[@StardustADV]

@@charname-player Thats why i wait until used is 10 to 15 years old

[@soniarena5250]

@@StardustADV Oh, you talking old old.

[@bvan1970]

It’s still not cheap. I’m looking a Tacoma for my son right now and I’m seeing 2006. - 2010 selling for 15 to 20 G. With lots of miles as expected for a vehicle that old.

[@stanmosley8867]

Sold my 2012 Limited and purchased a 2023 Limited. Love it! Thought maybe the 6th Gen would not be out till 2026. Since researching the 2025 model, I'm still satisfied with my 5th Gen.

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@user-jm5dw3gm8y]

Toyota did not want to change from V6 or V8. Toyota also stated that they spent years and millions to perfect those engines. They were forced to change because of emissions. Newer doesn’t mean better. What a dumb comment.

[@Sal834]

When I heard what the engine option was, I bought the outgoing model. That and hearing the issues the new Tundra is having with its engine. Seeing the the new one 4Runner, I am so glad I got the old one. But I do respect what ever decision one has and can understand. I just wanted reliability over everything else.

[@dgracias12]

Fun Fact:😢 A service writer at Toyota tried to convince me that 10,000 miles interval oil changes are better for the life of an engine on synthetic oil (Not even sure if Toyota dealerships use semi or full synthetic oil). Toyota doesn't care about the reliability anymore just based on their service intervals. EPA, development and research, and count on the brand to push a product out the door. I have nothing against the hybrid system or the 4cyl engine. It's the hybrid battery and the turbo I'm concerned about. Short term ownership shouldn't be a problem but good luck after 100,000 miles.🙄 And I change my oil every 5,000 miles on full synthetic. 🤓

[@theseb1979]

You don’t need to change your oil every 5000 miles. Since this is Toyota’s first hybrid I am also concerned. Oh no, wait. They have been building hybrids for decades. Also turbos were just invented last year so who knows how that will go…. 🤦‍♀️

[@unitedstatesmarine5087]

Naturally aspirated is less maintenance and better in the long run. Just my opinion. The new transmission and better fuel economy will be nice but how long will the battery life be and when does the turbo need rebuilt?

[@cormaro1376]

Idk why don’t u look up the 4 cylinder turbos that have been in Lexus products for over 10 years

[@normrubio]

Japan made. I’m not worrying about the turbo and waiting for 25

[@CaliSteve169]

The laws of physics are not any different in Japan. V6 will always be more reliable than a complicated turbo 4.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Engineering says more complicated equals more failure points

[@golf369]

Sore are accord cvt transmissions my guy. Those fall out all day

[@CaliSteve169]

@@golf369 yeah Honda really fkd up by getting rid of the 2.0T

[@Seashed]

@@CaliSteve169build quality is different.

[@gallardo360]

buy now for japan made or wait for the Mexico made. i just purchased a 2024 trd off road premium with xp package

[@guidenext2204]

Which 5th gen year and trim for best ride ( get a little dirty) if not a 2024?

[@vex-nh]

I'm biased since I own a 5th gen, but I'd still choose the 5th gen. You get a flat floor and rear seats that fold flat, versus the hybrid battery hump if you're going for a Pro or the new Trailhunter. It's a shame you can't spec those without the hybrid setup. Personally, I find the interior of the 5th gen more appealing than the new one. More power is always nice, but you're going from a very reliable, basic V6 to a much more complicated 4 banger with turbo and hybrid. It just doesn't fit with what a lot of us think of as a 4Runner. Something reliable and offroad capable but without a bunch of extra complexity that it doesn't need.

[@kurtburkhardt5862]

Have a 2014 5th gen, love it. Needs an update and some decent fuel economy. Will wait a bit but will probably get a later 2025. Was going to wait for the 2026. With the Tacoma and Land Cruiser already out there being basically the same platform, they will get most of the new car teething problems sorted out. I'm tired of waiting...

[@nashbridges120]

One argument for waiting is that the present generation did pretty poorly in both the NHTSA and IIHS crash tests. More modern Toyota/Lexus designs have done uniformly well, so it seems likely that this new platform will as well. If you plan to transport family, this may matter to some. Matters to me!

[@spirithealershamanism]

We had a roll over in a 5th gen, and we came out bruised but okay. We bought another one immediately.

[@winstonpatton9682]

I agree with you on the color thing I have a 16 Tacoma blazing blue and a 17tundrablazing blue

[@cmcb7230]

Can I get the new body style with the older powertrain?

[@sha6mm]

I see Zero reason to trade or sell my 2022 TRD Pro as it’s paid for. Just FYI reliability beats MPG all day long ! If you want a 6th Gen Personally I would wait to the 2027-2028 year so they can work out the bugs ! There will be Bugs as there always is. I do not like White Black or Red or Silver !!!

[@jragadio]

Are the TRD Pros still being sold above MSRP at the dealers? Are folks negotiating prices right now?

[@Glasscitycarnerd]

I upgraded my 21 SR-5 Premium to a 24 TRD Pro in Underground. Got it for $1,000 off MSRP and I may keep the 21 as a spare. I’ve never heard anything good about a turbo as far as long term reliability. 5th Gens are the last TRUE Toyotas. Look at the junk show the new Tundra is and that pitiful axle snap on your Tacoma. And, they are 15,000 more??? 😳. I love Toyotas and have owned them since 1992. I also own two Celicas (90 and 93). Sadly, Toyota is making a mistake with these Turbos.

[@Jev55]

Did they change the seating position from the 2024 to the 2025??

[@cunawarit]

I don't know why people are against the T24A, it will be fine, it's been going for a few years already and it seems fine and reliable. Ideally it would get the 1GD-FTV, but that's not going to happen in the North America market.

[@Suction_]

I got 15k on mine. Only issue was they forgot to detune it from Lexus, so after a software update, it's fine

[@wadewakelin7566]

That orange looks great im person a guy down the street from me has the new Tacoma in orange

[@karaburns7875]

When I show up on a lot to buy a new vehicle, I tell them no white, no black, no gray, or no deal. They will find it in a different color, or I will find it online and go get it. Don't settle for a color you don’t want when you are buying a new vehicle. I went more than 1500 miles to get the right truck last year, saved 12,000, and it is in my preferred color, blue.

[@rickthomas422]

those colors you mentioned are on the lot because they're more popular.

[@leechburglights]

Exactly! I've owned over 20 vehicles and have had enough of white, black, and gray. When I bought my 4Runner in 2020, I searched over 150 miles and found 2 models I liked, Barcelona Red and Nautical Blue. The dealerships were over 1 1/2 hours away. Got the blue one, an SR5 Premium. I was looking for a replacement work truck last fall, with a 6.5' bed and room for 5 adults. Wow I got lucky to find the trim and model I wanted. The color was a dark red (Magma) metallic on a 2020 F150 Lariat. Next closest vehicles were over 1000 miles away for the trim and bed size I wanted.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I flew in to get mine and had the dealership pay for my flight lol

[@WebVulture]

Nautical is beautiful in person, nice changes in differing light...

[@user-jm5dw3gm8y]

White is the best color if you’re going to use it off-roading.

[@user-dx1dp3bg3j]

Bought a 24 trd off road premium, after seeing the 25's with drive train options, so thankful i did!!!! I do like the new trail hunter, but don't like the button transfer case shifter & I'm pretty sure i will not like the price. Once again, so grateful & thankful for the 24, like it alot! Also pretty confident i would not like the 8 speed transmission in the 25, i don't understand why almost all manufacturers think we need these transmissions that when driving in town, they just don't know what the hell to do or what gear to be in & lug lug shift shift, where do i go, what do i do, reminds me of our president

[@alexsmba]

I’m thinking the bright yellow TRD Off-road Premium. With the iForce Max.

[@ryanm5361]

I have a 5th gen. I plan on having both.

[@roadrider1100]

Does the 2025 have better throttle and transmission mapping than my 2020 4runner? That alone would be worth the upgrade.

[@Mario-lj7gm]

You can get a 5th gen 4Runner at $4k below msrp. My local dealer recently had the trd pro at $3,650 off msrp in terra. If you’re paying msrp, you’re overpaying. Also, the 5th gen is NOT outdated, especially the trd pro. It is awesome and has all the bells and whistles. 6th gen looks refreshed and more modern but you’re going to pay at least $15k more initially over the 5th gen.

[@CavKyle]

I think it's worth waiting for new if you tow anything, considering the capacity is getting a bump to 6500 and it will come with TBC and wiring in the rear

[@gamingismadness3376]

@Andre I am incredibly interested to see where the hybrid system falls short. I understand in day to day, the hybrid system will be charged all the time, but what about on long road trips where you are hardly using the brakes at all. How many cars can you pass before the small battery (comparatively) runs out? Please let us know when you finally get your hands on one of them.

[@timalan7406]

The 2025 will cost 20% more deliver less and as a result have a greater depreciation. Gone are the days of low ownership cost.

[@BrianNC81]

I like the new design but our 2017 with 65k miles has PLENTY of life remaining. For the 9k-10k miles it sees each year, it should still be going strong when the 7th gen is released 😅. Maybe upgrade to a new one at retirment in another 17 years. Why buy a new one when the current model meets our needs and is one of the most reliable vehicles on the road?

[@browndogstt8546]

I bought a 23 last December. I won't buy a new version until it has been out for a few years. Being made in Japan might keep teething issues down but give it a couple years to work out problems.

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@browndogstt8546]

@@Rapido20 imagine being stupid enough to think newer is better😂😂😂 I am also still driving the 3rd gen that I bought 18 years ago. Bet the new ones die before it does.

[@jsbcody]

Well, since I just bought a 2024 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium Plus, I have made my vote clear. I traded in a 2023 Tacoma TRD Off Road ( I have had it for 18 months, I like the truck but with the limited back seat it is either people or my dogs....and none of my friends and family want to ride in the truck bed) and was just $1000.00 short of my original purchase price on the trade in.

[@billricheter5678]

Good luck with gas prices

[@Rapido20]

IMAGINE being du mb enough to get in 2024 a car released in 2009 with a 5 speed transmission from the 80s AFTER the new improved better faster more modern better loooking one is already out

[@billricheter5678]

@@Rapido20 agree with most but I think new 4 runner looks terrible

[@jsbcody]

@@Rapido20 Or I could be smart enough to like reliable and durable. The Fast Lane's new and improved Tacoma broke down right away. I will wait and see how good the new 4Runners are in a couple years. I wanted a reliable and durable vehicle and odds say that is what I got. UPDATED: I just got done looking at some of the other comments in favor of the 5th Gen and found that @Rapido29 is just a cut and paste key board warrior.

[@kd6836]

@@Rapido20It’s his money. He has enough to buy new cars or not troll people in KZbin comments, so he isn’t too dumb.

[@joshharrison1160]

Interesting video. What would have made it great is if you had posted side by side pics of the interior and exterior. I personally like the old version but maybe the new one will grow on me

[@jlucguerrier]

I love my 5th Gen but the new 4Runner solves just about every issue I had with this Gen. Rear view mirror camera, much more torque and hp, up to date tech and hopefully the new suspension makes KDSS obsolete. I'm going with the Off Road Premium when I get mine in like 3 years.

[@user-jm5dw3gm8y]

My KDSS works great.

[@gourdbox]

Sorry most us can barely afford a 2004 Rav4, not too concerned about replacing my T4R yet. (If you can afford a new car good for you, but are you sure you can afford one?)

[@atmartens]

I am also very tired of not having bright color choices. It's interesting, I just listened to a business podcast talking about this and a lot of people credit silver and white becoming popular because of Apple in the 2000s, and gaining popularity. I personally do like gray, but I also love a good blue or green. The podcast interviewed a woman from Subaru, and apparently their new blue color is more popular than silver and black, which is maybe a sign of turning around. Secondly, as much as the outgoing generation is reliable, I personally didn't find it comfortable. I also don't believe in buying the first model year of any new generation. The best is always to buy the sweet spot. Lastly, it's sad Toyota didn't do any cool trims or colors for the last generation. The green, blue and red they've done in the past were pretty cool. Especially the voodoo blue!

[@cshader2488]

That bronze trailhunter is sick

[@aarongerman7857]

#1 thing that makes the 5th gen 4runner limited interesting is the T case. only 4runner that's AWD

[@ryanpatterson9526]

I really love the modern styling of the new one, but the whole point of buying a 4Runner is long-term reliability and durability, which is TBD with the new model.

[@AllxLegitx808]

Can I order it with the old engine?

[@rev1868]

Never buy a "redesign" the first yr it comes out. Let the rest of the public work the bugs out, then buy after they fix the common issues. This is true for any manufacturer.....including Toyota. ....a "refresh" might be ok depending on what they change.....

[@BigAltimaEnergy719]

I’d buy a 5th Gen 4Runner, specifically model years 2021-2024 since push to start became standard and has TSS as well

[@JamesSusanka]

I would buy a used sr5 three row seat version. something newer than a 21 and I will be set. you can blue and red in the current 4runner too.

[@aquilararmando]

Does the 2024 come with Toyota safety sense 3.0? Or any Toyota safety systems?

[@HyperXism]

yes it has the 3.0 safety sense.

[@CarnutMM]

Current one. Especially with the manual transfer case and KDSS.

[@bigreddoggy1215]

Man the prices are just insane I bought my 18 TRD Off Road premium new for under 40 off the lot, and when that one got Totaled I bought my 20 venture for 42k, I’m looking at the MSRP on the last of the 5th gens and am just wowed how much they’ve gone up. Now I’m looking at the TACO prices and I am concerned that Toyota is going to price their customer base out of getting one of these new Tacomas or 4runners.

[@kirksmith347]

Id have to test drive it, im sure the non hybrid will be more than enough, especially after a tune.

[@sunny051488]

So this dealership doesn’t do markups? Hard to believe.

[@user-ln6mv5pe2u]

So no recommendation or your take on the best approach?

[@juliocosta9905]

the 2025 4Runner is essentially a Tacoma with a wagon, as everyone predicted. I was just offered a 2024 TRD Pro for something like 3k UNDER the MSRP, which makes me think there is cash from Toyota for the dealers to get rid of inventory; the days of charging premiuns appear to be gone. I am strongly leaning towards it... I had the opportunity to drive a Ford Bronco with the top removed in the NC Outer Banks and I have to say I wish Toyota had made that an option for the 2025 4 Runner and had also placed an engine capable of towing 7000-8000 lbs. Yes, I know I can get the LandCruiser but that bad boy is going for $100k these days...

[@witchdoktor69]

Why does TFL constantly release videos out of sequence? It makes no sense.

[@americanautotransportllc]

4 cylinder is definitely making me think about one

[@mozartheart2958]

Toyota started pushing turbocharged engines, not because they want to improve the engine, but to comply with some market emission policies and avoid paying penalties. So they are forced to do it, should they have the option, they will keep the good old fully tested reliable engines. But the new ones, might be better than the old ones, as Toyota knows very well how to make a good engine, I guess only time will answer your question.

[@project_poor_runner]

Keeping my 5th Gen and adding Eaton E-lockers front and rear from East Coast Gear Supply.

[@scottanson7520]

I just got a 2024 trd off-road best one yet proved old school bulletproof Toyota never buy a first year new model plus price will be higher pushing some folks out of buying

[@LionRunner]

Toyota had to go turbo or turbo + hybrid route for there new models because the pressure from EPA. Buy current 4Runner for reliability or wait for the new for environment friendly(ish) with better mpg and performance.

[@ferkdizzle]

I’m loving Shogun on FX!

[@LukeChiao]

I think that the 6th generation will likely be reliable… just based on Toyota’s track record. Decades making hybrids and Turbo-diesels… Maybe there will be some teething, but hopefully they will work most out through the Tacoma rollout. My main concern is that the price increase in Tacomas is a prelude to what 4Runner pricing will be… where prices literally went up one trim level or 25%! I can easily see an 2025 6th gen SR5 being the price of the 5th gen TRD off road or more…. Add the dealer markups and a Trailhunter maybe closer tho the Lexus GX550 in price. I’ve seen in reviews that the 4Runner platform is Land Cruiser 250 from the b pillar back and Tacoma from the b pillar forward. Will it play nice? Maybe I’m over-reving remembering the Lexus RC - front clip of a GS bolted to an IS… which was a little compromised. So I ended up buying a CPO ‘23 TRD ORP. It’s a known quantity, I like tinkering and less tech was kind of a plus for me (it’s more techie than my S2000, so I’m happy enough).

[@bradheemma]

I already have 2023 4runner limited, i have anough money, i would buy another 5th gen. These things are tanks, i love mine.

[@mrcnorth7149]

The price will most likely go up 10k, 20k or more... and the mpg increase on the next 4Runner will be small, as a guess on my part. The new 4Runner will have more power, however it will come at a cost. And just like the Tundra and the Tacoma, there are always first year bugs to work out. I will be waiting and seeing what happens. My current Toyota is 10 years old and is running fine.

[@NOXStellans]

Should have compared the best version one could get for $50k.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

Depends on what you value most. Value reliability and plan to keep it 8+ years? Buy now. Value an enjoyable driving experience with usable TORQUE and POWER? Buy 2025+

[@ALMX5DP]

I think either will be great at 8+ years. I have a Ford Ecoboost going on 10 years old and it’s been perfect. Would expect this to be no different and even potentially have a bit more longevity still to go 15-20.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@ALMX5DP that’s awesome that you’ve had such good luck with your ford but I don’t think you should hold your breath on 15-20 year problem free from a turbo 4. No way.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Jay-bw3fl why not? What do you expect will go wrong? I see a few early 2000’s turbocharged vehicles for sale that have their original engines. Doesn’t seem out the realm of reasonable possibility for something newer to be equal or better than that.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@ALMX5DP I see more than a few naturally aspirated vehicles for sale from that era…the proof is in the pudding. Ask any mechanic or engineer and they’ll tell you the same thing-naturally aspirated port injected engines are under far less stress and will not experience the valve build up that turbo direct injected engines experience. They are under far less pressure and they have far less cooling and electrical systems to fail. More complication, more stress and pressure, more electronics all equals more things to go wrong and more wear and tear. I believe in Toyota and I do think they know how to engineer these new engines to be reliable but I am also not delusional, I am a realist and cannot deny all the facts I just presented. I am not hating on Toyota in fact I will most likely be buying the new 4runner lol but I don’t keep my vehicles longer than 5 years so I don’t particularly care as much as folks who do plan to keep their cars for the long haul. If I did I would not buy a turbo direct injected vehicle.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Jay-bw3fl I meant few as in few model types, not mere sale count. Sure turbocharged vehicles do inject boost pressure into the cylinders, but if the engines are engineered with that approach in mind it's not a big difference to other engine designs. And especially with an inline 4 cylinder, there is technically less complexity than a V configuration turbocharged engine and even potentially less than an NA V engine being inline engines have half the valvetrain and moving parts therein. I am also a realist and know that everything modern may not last as long as something older, heck an aircooled VW engine is about as basic as it can get and will run forever with a screwdriver and single box wrench. But in terms of todays vehicles and expectations for power, performance, efficiency and comfort, there really isnt much in it for most people who dont care for their cars to last more than 15-20 years.

[@TOM-rj4fc]

It looks like a ton of cargo room was lost in the 2025, just like when the Sequoia went hybrid it lost almost 25% of it's cargo space. Plus you have a higher floor and the rear seats now fold no where near flat. Not only that but I expect the TRD Pro trim to be pushing $70k with destination fees etc. If that sounds crazy, remember the TRD Pro 24' Tacoma is $66k once you add in destination fees, and you know there's no way the 25' 4 Runner is going to be cheaper than the Tacoma.

[@mitchstein288]

I'd still lean towards the old gen. Simplicity and proven drivetrain (not to mention price!) are big for me. While I think the exterior looks of the new gen are "good" (not great), I think the old gen looks good too. The interior of the new gen really is kind of a negative for me as well. It's so overdone and so busy looking. I usually like bigger screens but this one sticks up above the dash, which I am not fond of. Something that would potentially lure me to the new gen could be the MPG. 16mpg out of the old gen is rather bad. I'd much rather go with a V8 and get more power and the same mileage. If the new one gets mid 20's that's huge. Overall, unless driving a new gen just blows me away, I'll stick with the old gen.

[@jackpotjoey3940]

I think I have all I need… keeping my 2012 TE and 2017 cement pro until I die.