Is NIL Good for College Athletes?

[@steverodgers5628]

Hypocrisy is a member of the media telling some one else they shouldn’t be able to profit off their own image or likeness.

[@christinebutler7630]

College athletes should have a major called "sports performance"; stop pretending to educate them. They're there for preparation for the pros, and we all know it.

[@michellewangrow6617]

It depends on the school and sport. Not everyone is planning to go pro and even if they do some end up having to retire early. Eli Manning studied marketing.

[@Rickyy_f]

Preparation for the pros? Even though only a small percentage actually only go pro? 😊

[@lepoj]

I guess the scholarships have nothing to do with it 🤦

[@christinebutler7630]

@Rickyff, schools offer majors in dance, even though if you want a serious career in dance, you need to be in a professional company at 18, not college. They offer majors in theater, although a tiny percentage are ever going to work regularly, much less be stars. They offer majors in things ending in"-studies", even though those folks are going to end up as baristas and Uber drivers. If you want to gamble with your future, you're free to do that.

[@mle011]

I disagree- even if they do go pro, most will only be professional athletes for a few years before getting let go. And then they have to figure out what to do the next 30-40 years of their lives. A degree in business, finance, construction management, etc is highly valuable for them to have at that point.

[@cerdafiedDeveloper]

Uhhh isn’t Dave always saying you’re paid by the value you bring? If these athlete are bringing in millions of dollars they should get a portion of that.

[@semosancus5506]

Have to cancel title 9 and all other non revenue sports then.

[@TimothyStuder]

Not to mention, there is a chance you could be permanently injured and unable to make money

[@taylenzz]

NCAA had 40+ years to establish a fair stipend system, but refused to do so based solely on greed…..you got Coaches who can recruit your son/daughter on Monday, then leave to coach another school on Tuesday…….Lastly, I wonder if Dave’s opinion would change if his son/daughter had a chance to make 6-7 figures in College…….🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@dmbgator86]

Free college isn’t enough?

[@talleyman2744]

​@@semosancus5506 You say "cancel title 9" like it's a bad thing

[@anthonybrown06]

I love NIL deals for college athletes and highschool kids!! Let’s go!! I love it! Get paid for talent!

[@BREEZYM6015]

Deals for high school kids? Not a good idea.

[@troyspears6470]

99.999% of college athletes will make absolutely nothing, theyre acting like every college athlete will be raking in dough. A handful of the best college football players will make some money and 99.99999 will make $0

[@joelmartinez2278]

Athletes bringing the universities millions of dollars in revenue per year. Player gets hurt...bye bye scholarship. Most athlete's get partial scholarships, few get full ride scholarships.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

America only has colleges, dude. Not universities

[@Mike.D.Lindley]

i'm confident i have heard both of these gentlemen worship at the altar of the almighty Free Market countless times before, yet neither one of them are "fans" of this new development.

[@BREEZYM6015]

Free agency in college sports dilutes the uniqueness and competitiveness that it brings.

[@wittenberg5]

You can't make billions of dollars off of someone's physical labor, pay them nothing and then offer them free room and board as compensation. There's a word for that, it has an ugly history and connotation.

[@BREEZYM6015]

What's the word?

[@4JaayTv]

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[@theinsider6462]

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[@jimmymcgill6778]

They make billions off these kids. They should make money.

[@jamisonmunn9215]

Lets not forget Texas A&M made hundreds of millions of dollars off Johnny Manziel.

[@drtij_dzienz]

And Johnny probably made less than $2M off signatures. If even $1M. It’s great Reggie Bush gets his Heisman back. One of the most electric college athletes ever.

[@semosancus5506]

I don't think they did. UGA Athletics has about a 20M net.

[@drtij_dzienz]

@@semosancus5506 yeah College football teams eat all the gross by giving coaches and administrators bloated multimillion dollar salaries. Probably find ways to sink profit into junk accounts that prop up other parts of university. OP is giving a Gross number which is more relevant to athlete value.

[@jamextras]

Daves reasons for being against the nil are ridiculous.

[@EmpressMermaid]

Exactly. Athletes don't transfer because "coach hurt my feelings." They are taking their skills and work abilities elsewhere where the opportunities are more to their advantage. Isn't that what Dave says we should do?

[@drtij_dzienz]

Ken should work for RS for free, just to get some good experience. And never be able to change jobs without sitting out 1y. Then Dave turns around and recommends COMMUNISM! He should only pay himself the median RS salary with only the same equity share as every other employee, and see how he likes communal pay pools.

[@abr7192]

Wow. A real hypocritical comment about a college player and his Lamborghini. Do you complain about college administrators and coaches driving their Lamborghini cars to work? I think not. What players do with their money is none of your business.

[@GAFB1122]

College athletes are considered amateur before they go pro. If they are being paid with NIL then they are no longer amateurs. Do away with college athletics!!

[@Smallvillefreak]

@@GAFB1122please, don’t bring that outdated amateurism argument. We live in the 21st century and the colleges are paying their coaches like pros. This is long overdue and the NCAA literally agreed to a multibillion dollar settlement while agreeing to pay current and past players.

[@beaniemac]

@@GAFB1122the professional leagues won't allow them to go straight to the pros from high school, which is nonsense in itself.

[@TimothyStuder]

​@@GAFB1122NFL will not allow anyone into the draft unless they qualify, which includes college

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Buying a lamborghini when you have nothing in savings is asinine no matter how you look at it. A Lamborghini is something you only do if you're either financially set for life or stupid.

[@crowtservo]

Caitlin Clark didn’t have a problem with team work at Iowa. She was probably making good money from State Farm and stuff while the other players probably made almost nothing. But if they can make money slinging burgers and fries working at McDonald’s, then they should be able to make money doing an ad for McDonald’s.

[@hubertroberts7800]

If student athletes are indeed students, why shouldn't they be free to transfer at any time just like any other college student?

[@krobdawg]

Almost can't believe this is even a question. Of course NIL is good You know how much these schools used to make off these athletes while the athletes got nothing?

[@RandyOdden]

What is a full-ride college scholarship worth? Tens of thousands of dollars per year. It is not "Nothing".

[@Smallvillefreak]

@@RandyOdden it’s not nothing, but it’s also not an equal compensation. Millions in revenue for the school. Meanwhile the coach better not give a player a sandwich because he’s starving and can’t afford to buy food because he can’t work because he has a full load of classes, practice, weight training, and homework.

[@jefflee1809]

⁠@@RandyOddenLOL you think they get full ride scholarship? It’s year to year on performance scholarship.

[@deamon506]

The court took it out of the NCAAs hands because the NCAA wouldn’t do it. I’m happy people can make money on their efforts, but there has to be guidelines in place

[@Smallvillefreak]

Hard to believe these guys are wanting to hold back this upcoming generation of young men and women in order to preserve amateur sports. What a joke. How about you stop complaining about how this money could be bad for them, and complain about how the education they receive isn’t properly equipping them with the tools to handle it in the first place.

[@drn13355]

It is pretty crazy. It is hard to even follow teams now. Every season it is like an almost brand new team. The starters go to portal to make more money. The backups enter the portal to get more playing time.

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[@tvrao878]

I’m always impressed at Ken’s ability to take an interesting topic and make it insufferable in two minutes - amongst this team of personalities he is the only one capable of this feat

[@Smallvillefreak]

I love Dave and have been following for 5 years now. However, I don’t know how Dave can complain about this and keep a straight face. He’s worths hundreds of millions of dollars. Deservedly so. He’s built himself up from literally nothing. He’s done so using the skills and abilities he’s developed over his lifetime. These athletes, and the ones that came before them, have helped these colleges earn billions upon billions of dollars. Meanwhile the NCAA stifled their ability to earn at every turn. To the point they literally made it illegal for them to even receive a sandwich from a coach. And now your main concern is that it’s hard to build a football team because the players are finally able to use their skills and abilities to profit for themselves? The same way everyone else does? Including their multimillionaire coaches? Give me a break. Pathetic take on their part.

[@Chet_24]

Make money while you can. It's only a small % of the athletes making bank.

[@UncleBen-h2y]

It’s not the NIL causing the problem, it’s the transfer portal! Paying players has always existed in basketball and football!

[@NaztyNate]

it kills small school athletics though, the rich schools will prevail even more than they have before

[@ebransc09]

The difference here is that the marketable entity is the team and not the individual player…. If 10 years from now, the school fields a random bunch of dudes with Gs on their helmets to take on the random bunch of dudes with T’s on their helmets, then the next next year is a different group after everyone jumps ship for a raise elsewhere Who is going to want to tune in, buy ticket, or buy a Tshirt? Not me

[@bleedinorangeblue903]

A portion of all nil deals need to be given out to the players at a later time so they have something to get started with after football is finished

[@ArsenicApplejuice]

Not something I was expecting to see on the Dave Ramsay show. Deducing from first principles the inadequacies of a free market and making the case for wealth distribution. Sports is powerful.

[@ryandefranco7740]

As a fan of a one-and-done College Basketball program, I hope this NIL money keeps kids around for another year or two 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Smallvillefreak]

Integrity of collegiate sports? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BIGBLUEGMEN]

There is no limit to how much a person should be able to profit for themselves and their god given ability. To think otherwise is very communist/socialist type mentality.

[@Veganisbadhunter-wx5nt]

End college sports all together. Have a professional minor league where young players can make money pursuing their major league dreams. Leave colleges for education only. We know 99% of these athletes will not make it to the NFL, NBA, MLB,.... These Universities have made $billions and have loaded their endowments in which they pay no taxes! Any athlete who pursues a professional career in sports and doesn't "make it" can go back to college to pursue education. Athletes playing sports to entertain and give tremendous profits to universities needs to end.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

They are wrong about the transfer portal. Nothing wrong with transferring to a different school. Students have always had the option to transfer schools. You can only transfer 1 time. And they get paid on a revenue sharing model. They don't sign contracts saying they are going to be making a certain amount every year. They are not understanding how it works.

[@bobschnittman2856]

"you've got bling" so funny

[@tubenachos]

Now we'll just have younger and richer athletes

[@untouchable360x]

Chaos isn't a pit.

[@fauxbro1983]

Chaos is a ladder

[@TMPS93]

There has to be some middle ground. A decade ago they generated a ton of money but starved (scholarships only cover education and books) and now they're trying to pay them millions? Why not just have all major colleges across the board give the same dollar amount stipend for food and reasonable expenses and call it a day?

[@Valpo2004]

I think it's both necessary for the players but also ruins the product. Players should have the right to get money off NIL and transfer and take a different opportunity if they need. In any other situation no one would ever try to force a person to stay in a situation they don't like or tell them they can't make money off their efforts. But at the same time it ruins the product for the fans because players can change teams on a yearly basis. The question of if it's good for the players in the long term is moot. We've decided that 18 year olds are adults and so adults get freedoms including the freedom to leave and the freedom to make money.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

Transfer portal only makes transferring to a different school easier. You could have always transferred before. But it was harder. And you can only transfer once in 4 years.

[@davidwilliams2535]

Gentlemen, there is NIL and there is collective. - NIL is contract with Business/Organization - Collective is Booster influencing talent with the prize of money.

[@Bigdarrin90]

These colleges make Billion off these players. They deserve to be paid and paid well. Very simple 😂and God forbid players leave when they feel they are mistreated 😂

[@Smallvillefreak]

Amateur athletics? How much did you pay Nick Saban to speak? He coached amateur athletics. Why should he get paid? Wouldn’t that make him a professional?

[@alanparedes2034]

You don't have to stay. I like my job but if someone hurt my feelings, and had an opportunity elsewhere, I'd leave. My life. My right! And so would anyone else no matter the age.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

When they use the word feeling. That's just their boomer showing. Boomers love to put down young people.

[@88jaspersimmons]

Rich old people love capitalism until young people do it. Then all of a sudden, they are entitled "kids" entitled with their "little feelings".

[@Hdhfhhdh]

You are wrong on this Dave .. if the colleges are greedy can profit millions from the students, why can’t the athletes get a portion of it ?

[@RanalL72]

Society values athletes way too highly. They are playing a game. Who really cares. Get off the couch and go do something active. It's outrageous that athletes are worth $40+M per year. Basketball isn't that hard or skillful when you're 7'0 and athletic.

[@goma12x]

The rare times I disagree with Dave and Jon. I think if a person can make $$$$, they should. I think NIL will change over time as in transfer rules and other things, but since these kids bring in millions amd even billions to their colleges, these kids need to get paid. However, I do agree one player makes $2 million vs another who makes nothing.

[@eurekahope5310]

I disagree. Why should colleges make money off their players but not let players earn money? As to team building, there will always be disparity of income in competitive sports because some players are Michael Jordan's and others will not be remembered. They get paid accordingly. If we socialize sports, why not socialize everything, including financial advisors... Usually agree with you all, but this seems hypocritical to me.

[@johndone8045]

Yeah f the college greed, split the money with the atheletes

[@fauxbro1983]

Its just capitalism. Whats concerning is universities allowing sports gambling to be promoted on campus

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

America has exactly zero universities

[@fauxbro1983]

​@@amireallythatgrumpy6508what you mean?

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

@@fauxbro1983 Every higher education institution in America is merely a college

[@28goldenboy]

Anything that takes money away from Universities is a win for me.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

America does not have universities dude.

[@28goldenboy]

@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 call them whatever you want.

[@087Joshu]

“NIL is stupid and worthless. Buy my books with my name, image and likeness on it”

[@88jaspersimmons]

Oh they are friends with Nick Saban. Now their stance makes sense lol

[@briangriffith860]

It aint NIL thats the problem. Its the transfer portal

[@thehungrywolf69]

This is a GOOD thing. Universities would make money off these kids. Now a kid could make their money even if their professional career never takes off whether from injury or because they want to focus on something else in life. STOP HATING HATERS 😂🤣

[@lindahenderson2987]

NIL has RUINED COLLEGE SPORTS

[@lkj0822g]

Let's face it, a significant percentage of these athletes shouldn't be on a college campus without a mop and broom in hand. But, when major athletic programs bring in hundreds of millions of dollars, head coaches make tens of millions, and even assistant coaches garner six and seven figure salaries, they will do what they have to do to keep the money flowing out of the spigot. Money has ruined college athletics and this just made it worse. Anecdotal stories abound about college athletes who put the "dumb" in "dumb jock". Personally, I lost interest in college sports for this very reason. The real tragedy is that this has migrated to high school athletics. I read an article discussing the use of performance enhancing drugs at the high school level. Coaches turn a blind eye and give a wink and a nod when a high school athlete puts on fifty pounds of muscle in a year. The fact that this young athlete is potentially destroying his body never enters into the conversation. Sad.

[@brandonwoodson2861]

This could be the result of a documentary "College For Sale"

[@DarrylHarris-f5y]

The student athletes should be compensated for their talents. Why not?

[@advancedchiropractic667]

Not sure these schools should be tax exempt. I think it ruins the product, and shame these kids do not know how to handle money except for a few.

[@ryanwalters694]

My question is why is the school paying them anything? If they wanna sign a deal like that with Nike and do commercials…cool. But just to sign with a school that doesn’t make any money off these kids names makes no sense. Go hit up the memorabilia company’s that are putting out your jersey and stuff. School should give them nothing

[@SpoonHurler]

They are selling video games, making money from selling seats and packaging the viewing rights to the games, the university are and have been making money off of them. No idea how you can say they don't.

[@Smallvillefreak]

The NIL deals are not with the schools. The NIL deals are with alumni that own companies and any other company that wants to give them money. However, the settlement they’ve just agreed to will pay the players because they are profiting off the players well in excess of any value you can slap on a scholarship and the NCAA knew they’d lose in court and have to pay billions more. You can’t make hundreds of millions of these players, tell them they can’t profit off their own efforts, and put rules in places that keep a coach from even being able to buy a kid a hamburger at McDonald’s because he’s hungry and can’t work and keep his full slate of classes, practice, workouts, a homework, and a pesky little thing called sleep. While selling jerseys with their number on it and video games with their number on it.

[@Smallvillefreak]

You realize it’s been the NCAA that was preventing them from being able to go out and make their own money up until they were forced by the courts to allow NIL deals. And the schools have gone along with it and allowed the NCAA to govern without oversight for decades.

[@ryanwalters694]

@@SpoonHurler the schools don’t sell video games or merch. That’s all controlled by the ncaa. Sure they sell tickets and tv rights but that isn’t done solely because of one player. We just wanna watch football and will pay for it. I understand that the ncaa has been making billions all while not giving the players a dime. Oh wait. They got a 4 years scholarship to a school that costs over 100k a year. The way I see it, these kids are making 400k a year from the schools. The NIL is supposed to let them profit off of their name and likeness. Not be a bidding war for which player goes to which school. It’s a mess. They need to shut it down before it destroys the game. Work something out where the 4 year scholarships are a legal agreement and can’t be broken without having a breach of contract. Allow the kids to sign individual endorsement deals and make their money that way. Problem solved

[@SpoonHurler]

@@ryanwalters694 what does the C in NCAA stand for? College doesn't cost 100k... out of state maybe, but you can get that degree for a 1/4th of that. I did it 15 years ago working two jobs. Only a scholarship, room and board isn't complete compensation. As far as not going to see one player, I went to one college basketball game last year... when USC played ASU here in the valley to see one player, along with a full crowd doing the same.

[@lionheart93]

imagine high schoolers showing up with lambos? they must be great hard workers because no parent would give their kid a lambo right?

[@joeriveracomedy]

They should just pay for the athlete's education that costs slow, weak kids thousands.

[@mwhe3111]

Oh, that's Kiffin. HAHAHHAHAAA

[@bryanemmel6516]

Whatever trips your trigger. As for me, I’m interested in amateur athletics. Not watching high school professionals.

[@matthewwaters9742]

Very difficult to build college team??? Georgia make one of the best teams we have ever seen. Dave’s just mad Tennessee are terrible 😂

[@jesusbowls]

Divorce rate of 10x the public? How does that work, exactly, coming from a self-proclaimed "Math Guy"?

[@hollisconant2566]

paying them makes them pro s

[@funtechu]

Wow, what a terrible take by Dave and Ken. All that this change does is allow people to be paid what they are worth. They care more about the appearance of their pet sports than the well-being of the athletes themselves!

[@dshnnsmith04]

I'm just concerned about the God complex these kids could develop. 19 year olds "stunting" on the other kids in Lamborghinis isn't tasteful either!

[@GAFB1122]

Do away with college football and basketball. Frankly amateur football and basketball SHOULD be more like baseball. Have farm teams. This amount of money for players should not be associated with institutions of higher learning!! And yes college is and should be INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING!

[@JustinCase780]

Ah, o.k. crazy guy in the town square. 😂

[@GAFB1122]

@JustinCase780 Why? Is it because you like college football and basketball, so you of course don't like my opinion, lol

[@survivingthetimes]

Because all the mindless minions that worship some guy who can run with a ball.

[@matthewwaters9742]

You think these schools give away more money then they make off the athlete? I don’t think so 😂 They are being paid their worth and they need better education of money management after that.

[@Jubes123]

Universities should get out of the sports entertainment industry. They were created to educate people and they need to get back to that. The only reason sports are provided is for the educational component. NFL, NBA, etc should create their own minor leagues to develop talent. Universities go back to being educational institutions.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

There are exactly zero universities in America.

[@matthewwilliams9200]

The money needs to go to their 401k all college money should go to the retirement the 2 million the millions should not be touched until they hit 45

[@hollisconant2566]

so free college and get paid wow

[@ZombieEater1001]

You guys are free market but don’t want people to get paid what they’re worth??

[@BuiltNutritionFitness]

Happy for the players but probably should be regulated to some degree

[@imjustanalien7171]

Given the recent NCAA settlement, this commentary seems dated and irrelevant.

[@donvirts4608]

I don't mind NIL, but I don't like transfer portal

[@Smallvillefreak]

You better not ever want to change your job, cell service, cable provider, internet provider, insurance provider, grocery store, gas station, power company, or anything else that is an option to you. You stay with whatever you pick until it’s done. No matter how circumstances change, you are stuck.

[@thomasrudy6132]

bronny james is the highest paid nil athlete, does he even start? it is a JOKE!!!!!

[@PiyushKumar-lj4vz]

I researched this topic for PF throughout the entire month of march. I would say that they shouldn’t be paid a salary, NIL goood

[@dave2278]

Yes,but the money is too much. Maybe a few thousand a month but hundreds of thousands is a little bit much

[@danieljohnson4418]

The market disagrees with you.

[@Smallvillefreak]

Why? Get what you’re worth. You’re worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

[@djcoolrule]

The NIL has brought entitlement to college sports. These kids are getting paid for what? I haven't seen any of them other than Heisman or other awardees on television commercials. Most college athletes receive scholarships which pay for their education, room and board, and a stipend once they move out of dorms. The portal has made this more of a joke because like Dave stated if they get their feelings hurt they can go to a different program. For the 99% that don't get NIL contracts they think they're being wronged. The system was clear before NIL and now represents a class "A" league for the 1% who may make it to the NFL. The one thing they haven't learned is how to actually save money so they don't have to bust their asses once their athletic career is over.

[@Rashaadthegr8]

Everyone should be required to have a pass a Dave Ramsey FPU class before entering into high school. And then another in order to graduate. As far as NIL you should have to do at least 3 years.

[@Smallvillefreak]

Why? You have choice everywhere else in life and the freedom to move to a different city, gas station, phone company, power company, grocery store, and countless others. Why should you have to stick with it for 3 years? I hope you love your job. Because if circumstances change, you can’t leave for 3 years. Not legally permitted. Sorry. You accepted that offer letter and made a commitment.

[@Mark_Trail]

Ken is such a dummy. His opinions are always pro-ceo 🙄

[@lot2196]

First?

A trust fund should be established if athlete is under 21. When athlete makes18- x amount should be released- at 21- another x- amount should be released. NIL- endorsement should have a requirement that the athlete have to stay in college for 4 years and complete his degree before going PROFESSIONAL.

[@Ravetar101]

Out of touch dave 😂 please stick to the baby steps