Is salvation depended on the Oneness or Trinitarian view?

a brief interaction with Dr. David Bernard of the UPCI on the Trinity and soteriology (Bernard is the leading theologian of the United Pentecostal Church, i.e., the Oneness folks).
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[@yoshiperspectives4880]

I love how you point out the fact that apostolics only baptized in the name of Jesus as if it's an interesting and New Concept. Even though every single one of the Apostles in every situation accounted for in the book of Acts always only baptized in the name of Jesus, and there is not one account of any of them baptizing saying, "in the name of the father Son and Holy Ghost." This is of course because when Yeshua told them to baptize in the name of the father Son and Holy Ghost, they clearly had the understanding and Revelation that Yeshua was the father Son and Holy Ghost.

[@julianmanjarres1998]

"In Christ exists the fullness of the Godhead bodily"

[@terryhatcher7271]

Being baptized “in the name of Jesus” simply means by His authority. Acts doesn’t quote an Apostle of what they said, or if they said anything, during baptism.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@terryhatcher7271 Nope, sure doesn't. The idea that you say some formula phrase in order to be scriptural is unscriptual Christianity. We are to baptize in the name/authority/presence of the character of Yeshua. but in order to do so, you must have the revalation that he is One and not a Trinity. For his name/character, is ONE not three. So baptizing in the name/authority/character of a Trinity is not baptizing in the name/authority/character of Yeshua.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@terryhatcher7271 But when the Apostles spoke of baptism, they always said "In the name of Yeshua." If you think about it, there's a good reason Yeshua said "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" instead of "in the name of Yeshua". Imagine if he, being Yeshua, said "In the name of Yeshua" talking of himself in the third person. Kinda awkward. "Father" "Son" and "Holy Spirit" are all titles. Not names. The apostles knew that the name of the one that held all these titles was none other then Yeshua.

[@markforsythe1916]

@@terryhatcher7271 actually the book of Acts does account that the name of Jesus was spoken. In Acts 22:16 when Paul is giving his conversion account it says "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” where it says "calling on" the word is to invoke "G1941 in Greek Definition: Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke. They were literally invoking the name over the candidate in baptism. In Acts 19:3-5, how would there have been any difference in knowing "unto what then were you baptized" if Christ name wasn't spoken over them? Terry you have absolutely no authority to say that it simply means "his authority" without havin spoken anything. Acts 15:14-17 talks about a people being taken into Covenant for his name and authority sake. Then its says that the word and the prophets agree to it and it quotes Amos 9 and 11. the passage goes as follows Acts 15: 14-17 "14. Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16. After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17. That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Now I ask you..if his name wasn't called upon them in baptism, then when was it called???

[@TheCynicogue]

The Bible never says we need to understand the Godhead to be saved. Modalists and Trinitarians are both Christians.

[@scottsprowl7484]

John 8:23-27

[@jesuisdavid1]

I notice that trinitarians often label Oneness modalist which is inaccurate by definition. Oneness by definition arent modalists and don't describe themselves so

[@timothytmusgrove]

@@jesuisdavid1 If you are talking about Oneness Pentecostalism, then you are in error. To clarify, what is your definition of what Oneness Christians belief in regard to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit mentioned in scripture. I would be interested in your interpretation.

[@Drooblemeister]

I lean more towards Trinity obviously, but I really don't think we are as different as we think, one group says Father, Son and Spirit are unique manifestations of One Divine Being, another says Father, Son and Spirit are unique persons of One Divine Being, the other says Father, Son and Spirit are unique manifestations of One Divine Being, either way we all believe Jesus Christ is Fully God and Fully Man, God who became flesh, who gave His life on the cross for our sins and who rose again. The most important thing is as Romans 10:9 says "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead you will be saved!" I don't think Modalism completely identifies everything that's going on in the NT, but I also don't believe it's a damnable heresy and it's certainly more biblical than say trithiesm (Mormonism) or adoptionism (JW's).

[@lancebach]

YOU STILL DON'T GET IT; JESUS IS GOD! "John 2: 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20. Matthew 28 8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and "WORSHIPPED HIM." 24. John 20 27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 25. 2 Peter 1 1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. John 8 57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!” ISAIAH 9 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called WONDERFUL COUNSELLOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE PEACE BE UNTO YOU!

[@markforsythe1916]

The problem for me is that the scriptures do not teach three unique persons of one divine being, it simply teaches that one divine person became a true human being as a propitiation of atonement for mankind. See, that's the problem bro is that true trinitarianism says that "a second god the son person was born of a virgin to save mankind, true biblical oneness theology is very clear that the one true God our heavenly Father became a man to ransome us. He didn't send another person..he came himself. Isaiah 63:5 says "“And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore MINE OWN ARM BROUGHT SALVATION unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.”

[@Drooblemeister]

@@markforsythe1916 Trinitarianism does not necessarily equate to tritheism for the vast majority of Christians (let's remember the vast majority of born-again Christians believe in the Triunity of God), alot of good Christians I know believe in the Nicene Creed and only pray to One God, I can see however sometimes how for say Jews or Muslims it can be a stumbling block to use the terminology 3 persons, 1 being. I think the best analogy to use is the sun, the sun is one object yet in that 1 object you have a ball of raging fire burning 93 million miles away (i.e. Father) , you have the light from that sun (the Son), and then you have the warmth you experience and enjoy from the sun (the Holy Spirit), you don't in fact have 3 unrelated or separate entities but one entity with 3 aspects, manifestations or dimensions. I think God is way beyond anything we can fathom and yes, One Being is a Father to us, a Savior who was incarnated in the flesh, crucified and risen, and He is the Spirit inside of us, we can call him our Abba, Jesus our Savior, and Spirit and we see the same God behind every act of redemption, can this be a fair middle ground and truth we can all stand on?

[@markforsythe1916]

@@Drooblemeister I like your analogy (although it's not related to a living being). I am fine with three manifestations or aspects of how the one true God has revealed himself. what I have a problem with is saying three persons. Nicene creed says three persons and it just does not make since or add up in scripture. Two persons are two entity's. Personally I know protestant people who are so called trinitarians that when they are ask to explain how they view the nature of God, they really don't explain it in true trinitarian form. They actually sound more oneness. I just wish they would stop hanging on to the title or profession of believing in the "trinity" that they carried with them from the Roman Catholic church and just stick to biblical teaching. let's forget creed's and church history that doesn't add up, and just acknowledge plain scripture. God bless you

[@viviennebaptiste]

well it's cool if you believe in the trinity, but if you say you believe in Jesus you wouldn't believe in the trinity because the trinity was made up by Constantine and some Christian bishops in 325 don't believe me go study for yourself instead of relying on preachers, and theologians to tell you everything about God

[@The_Iron_Disciple]

For the record, there is no way God can be just and justifier of the wicked (think Romans 3) unless He is a trinity. God the Father laid the sin of the people on His son and punished Him in their place (think Isaiah 53). Watch James White’s videos on trinitarian harmony in the atonement. All three persons are YHWH. God is one. Why would the Hebrews even need to use the Shema Yisrael to proclaim/clarify that? Another interesting point is that all three persons are credited with the raising of Jesus Christ from the dead at least once each in the NT. Lastly, if you believe in so called “oneness theology,” you necessarily have to believe that, in the “High Priestly Prayer” in John 17, Jesus was only praying to illustrate a point to His disciples who were listening. Enough with this “oneness” business. Here’s some extra credit: Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out with his hand, and take fruit also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.” I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, Honor, and a kingdom, so that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages might serve Him. And I will put My Spirit within you and bring it about that you walk in My statutes, and are careful and follow My ordinances. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you. You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.” “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

Also, oneness cannot explain Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. If Jesus was God not manifested in flesh why people did not die?

[@milopezusmc]

Trinitarian believers like yourself make God dependent on your belief that he is 3 persons. Meaning. The person of the Son has to exist in order to be born. The person of the Holy Spirit has to exist in order to overshadow Mary for the Son to enter in her womb. In all this, God has to rely on the concept of the view of the trinity in order to enter the world. My thoughts on this as I've debated and shared with numerous Trinitarians over the years is this. The evidence that the concept of God being a Trinity is great. But the evidence of God being a one person one being God is much greater.

[@milopezusmc]

​@Fr4nkSanchez As an Oneness believer, I'm gonna have to ask you to write your sentence a little more clearly. I'm having a really hard time understanding that run on sentence.

[@nonyabidness5708]

Genuine question... if all three persons were credited, wouldn't that be more of an argument for Oneness as opposed to against it?

[@jesuslove6630]

Dr. Bernard did not say Trinitarians believed in three Spirits, he clearly said that Trinitarians don't...have a conscience experience of praying to three different Spirits. You misunderstood the point he was making. You said that Oneness rejects the distinction between the Father and the Son, but that is not true.

[@FlockOfYahweh]

Not the oneness Pentecostal thats 4 blocks away from my house. They absolutely think Jesus is the Father & the Spirit

[@nonyabidness5708]

Grew up in the UPC. They ABSOLUTELY do not separate the Father and Christ except for the physical body.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

Oneness always try to point that trinitarians are false worshipers, thing that trinitarians do not think the same with oneness. I grew up in Church of God doctrine per se, and now attending a UPCI church, this triggers me that preachers always make these statements openly on Sundays

[@mgonz5914]

God bless brother Bernard🙏

[@11304800]

Bro Bernard is correct in saying we should abey Acts 2:38 that is the beginning of salvation, ALL the aPOSTLES OBEYED aCTS 2;38 HELLO bUT THERE IS BUT one gOD AND onE lORD jESUS cHRIST. tHEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!

[@waltercoleman624]

Who is the Holy Spirit hearing from in John 16:13? Who’s voice are they hearing in John 5:37?

[@r2aul]

Where can this excerpt of Bernard be found?

[@prettyboimut1]

What about when Jesus prayed to God or when he cried out to him on the cross. Or when the Bible says Jesus sits next to God on his throne. I believe They are one yet different sprits. I could be wrong and I ask God to forgive if I am.

[@rezing8239]

your mixing personification with being, all those things have to be attributed to Jesus personality

[@kevincook4761]

Can you show us anywhere in the new Testament after Jesus died where they were baptized in anything but Jesus name?

[@gonzalo3827]

Kevin Cook no he cannot. No Trinitarian is going to answer this at least not with a Bible.

[@gilbertoaviles4586]

No he cant

[@michaelbartley9572]

Apparently you've never read 1st Peter 3:21

[@javierdelgado1554]

Acts 4:12, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13 , 1 Corinthians 6:11, Acts 10:43, 1 Corinthians 1:13, Colossians 3:17 Jesus name baptism.

[@Drooblemeister]

For me, when you say Father, Son, and Spirit you are describing the same God, YHWH who. is of course One Divine Being, not three and it matters very little what 'formula' you use in baptism as long as you acknowledge Jesus as your Lord and Savior, King. of Kings and Lord of Lords who was manifested in the flesh and salvation through his finished work on the cross. I see in Acts Jesus' Name being used AND I also see Father, Son and Spirit being used in Matthew 28:17-20 when Jesus commissions the twelve. My opinion, talk about this yes! Split churches and divide on all who believe in Jesus, God forbid!

[@JettyBootChamp]

I'm trying hard to understand and I've had a hard time doing so. 1. Yes, the Bible clearly distinguishes a Father/Son dynamic. But it's this "One God = 3 separate but equal persons" thing that really confuses me. To me, based on my understanding of the Bible, trinity really seems to contradict what the Bible says. John 1:1, 1 John 5:7, John 14:6, to name a few verses. It appears to me that the Father/Son dynamic is symbolic of the relationship between the omnipotent God and the Physical manifestation of Jesus. God is the "father" because he came first. He has always been; he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Jesus is the only begotten "son" because Jesus is the only one whom God would be manifested in flesh on the Earth. There is no other who will ever be the human manifestation of God. Therefore God the father loves him for that reason. Jesus is still God because his spirit is the living God manifest in flesh, to walk amongst his creation. That is why we see Jesus pray and fast. He is bringing the flesh, which is all man, into subjection to the spirit within him, which is all God. 2. Where in the Bible does it explicitly say that God is made of 3 distinct, separate, individual, beings? To me, based on what I have studied, it seems pretty concrete that the Bible shows that God is one and he embodies the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one person. Scripture doesn't seem to suggest that there are three separate states of consciousness living inside God. They are simply titles given to God in hopes of better comprehending his omnipotence from a human perspective. I'm not trying to debate anyone. I want to understand. I want to know God, YHWH, The great I AM, Adonai, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I don't want to be wrong. If you have scripture that can clearly support Trinity to me, I am willing to listen.

[@robertmyers6865]

Don't feel BAD. The guy that was the main defender of this concept (Athanasius) at the council of Nicea, in 325 A.D. admitted later that the more he thought on what he defended, the more HE WAS confused. The doctrine of the trinity is unBiblical!!!

[@blakeappine]

Yeah, the trinity is a very confusing doctrine and was introduced centuries after Jesus lived. It is unfortunate that that catholic doctrine has made it so deep into most Christian denominations. The Bible says that Jesus alone has all authority in heaven and on earth, so what power would the Father or Holy Spirit have if they were separate beings or persons? The Bible also says in Isaiah 9:6 that the Son is called the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God, if they are separate then why is the Son called the Father? The Bible says that The fullness of the Godhead, meaning the substance that makes God God, dwells within Jesus Christ. So do trinitarians believe that 'God the Father', 'God the Son', and 'God the Holy Spirit' all dwelled within Jesus, or is it more probable that God is ONE! Lets go back to the head waters of Christianity and not accept things as gospel that are invented by man centuries later. Jesus said, "He that has seen me, has seen the Father." Jesus was the human incarnation of God himself. How sad would it be if God the Father only sent His son, a different person, to pay the price for us. But that is not so, God himself robed himself in flesh and took our sin upon HIMSELF!

[@Romans--pe4yh]

@@robertmyers6865 Can you cite the source please? Thank you in advance.

[@robertmyers6865]

@@Romans--pe4yh I will try to get it for you. I have around 7000 to 8000 books. But, most of them are in storage right now, because I moved and did not have room. And I read that a number of years ago. And it may not have been in one of MY books. I do want to find it again. Thank you, and the Lord bless.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

@@blakeappine one think that needs to be clarify is that Satan is an imitator. You can find deidities in history with this representation. Roman catholic church merged old babylonian pagan doctrine with christianity. However, that is not what Christians believes, no one is saying that there are three gods but only one true God. We are created in his image and what do we have? one body, one soul and one spirit but are we three persons? no, only one.

[@markforsythe1916]

So I have a question.. Can a "being" be a "person" without having its own individual spirit.

[@viviennebaptiste]

good question, if we can understand that Jesus was of dual nature we can understand the Godhead.

[@sandina2cents779]

@DangerKeys yes it is in scripture. It says Jesus put on a body John 1:14. So he has a God nature and a human nature. His God nature doesn’t get hungry but his human nature did. Can’t kill his God nature but they did kill his human nature.

[@sandina2cents779]

I think the issue you’re having is you’re trying to put God in a human box. A human has to have a spirit to live in a body. If the body in the spirit separate in the body dies. But that’s not how God being is. The father and the spirit do not have a body and never have. We don’t have a spirit until we have a body first but that’s not how it works for God because he’s not a human.

[@sandina2cents779]

@DangerKeys this is what you just did…. Trees are important. Trees have bark. Dogs bark. Dogs are man’s best friend. Best friends are important. Therefore trees are important. What are those have to do with each other? Nothing. But you twisted lines and pushed things together that were taken out of context to make it say something you wanted to say. you’re also made many many statements as if they are fact and they are not, this is riddled with your own input and opinion it is not found in Scripture at all. The Scripture says that the word became flesh. That Has to be Jesus because it also says that nobody has ever seen the father. Jesus says to the father give me the power I had with you before the earth was created. That means he was with the father before creation. That makes them to separate beings. It’s plural. You’re taking words that mean different things in different contexts.

[@sandina2cents779]

@DangerKeys are you a Muslim? You don’t understand the Trinity. Jesus is the word because in John 1:14 it says that the Word became flesh. The father did not put on flesh, the spirit did not put on flesh, Jesus did. Nobody has ever seen the father. Yes, the word is God because the word is Jesus and Jesus is God. Yes God is the father as well. It says the Word was made flesh, it does not say “Jesus is the word made flesh”. You can’t just add words and change things around. What does flesh not God mean? No, God is not made of flash and nobody said he was. Jesus put on a body, like you put on clothes. Jesus himself was not made of flesh. No, God is not a man, but Jesus put on flesh and so he has two natures, Devine and human. Jesus is God. When Jesus said “I am” they picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy because they knew he was claiming to be God. He also could forgive sins which only God could do. Jesus is way more than human, he was divine. Humans don’t raise the dead after three days of rotting. If you are a Muslim, it says that Jesus made a bird out of clay and breathed on it and it came to life and flew away, no human can do that!!!

[@HARLANGENEPARROTT]

Please have a high quality video debate called: david bernard vs james white oneness vs trinity. I have seen your debates with many, but not with brother Bernard..

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

Saying that you can't understand how Yeshua can be sent by the father in light of Oneness theology just shows that you don't even know what Oneness theology is or have a very small or incorrect understanding of what it means for Yeshua to be the word. Not only is Yeshua being sent by the father very understandable in light of the Oneness theology, but it is power. A power that you cannot have if you believe in a trinity. There is a Serene sense of holiness and Power in light of believing that he is one as the scripture say. Also wanted to point out, every argument for the Trinity Doctrine stems out of speculation and misunderstanding of things Yeshua said and did. Most trinitarian arguments would start with the words, "why would", "how would", or "how can". A trinitarian argument never can start with the words "the Bible says". And the argument where you accuse a Oneness Yeshua of praying to himself, the scriptures itself plainly expresses and explains what he was doing so shame on you for ignoring that explanation and insulting God. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians:2:7-8 It would be unfitting of Yeshua, being in the form of man with the infirmities and weaknesses of man to not pray to his life source so to speak. Also at the same time providing us a perfect example of how to overcome the wicked one. Since you don't believe in the Oneness theology, I'll say hypothetically speaking say that the Oneness theology was true. Under that light, imagine Yeshua never praying. I think you can understand the fault in that.

[@sergiomarrufo2228]

I revelation chapter 4 and 5....you have One sitting in the throne. Then the Lamb who was slain goes and gets the scroll from Him who is sitting in the throne. Question: who is sitting in the throne and who is the Lamb?

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@sergiomarrufo2228 This vision is an attempt to describe something that is pretty incomprehensible for humans, being the very nature of God. Your argument is 100% speculation, not understanding a passage. My arguments are places in Scripture where it is said DIRECTLY over and over again that He is One, no speculation. The one that sits on the throne is the King. Obviously. Scripturally Yeshua is king. The one sitting on the throne is Yeshua. The lamb Scripturally is Yeshua. EVERY ROLE IS YESHUA. You say your God is omnipresent, but then when he does something taking different roles in his omnipresence, you assume more than one God which the Bible makes clear is not so. You questioning who is on the throne and who the lamb; assuming he definitely can't be the same person, proves that you do not believe your God is truly omnipresent.

[@sergiomarrufo2228]

@@yoshiperspectives4880 so you have 2 Christ?

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@sergiomarrufo2228 No, i have One Singular Messiah that is omnipresent and All in all. Do you know what omnipresence is?

[@sergiomarrufo2228]

@@yoshiperspectives4880 but John sees the Lamb and the one sitting on the throne. And the Lamb takes the book from Him. So Christ took the scroll from Christ? This is how you see it.

[@daviddavidson7266]

If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, was He lying when he told Hid disciples “I go to prepare a place for you” (John 14:3)? Or when He said the Father will send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26)?

[@viviennebaptiste]

I'm not exactly sure if I understand what you're saying but. The Bible says that God is a Spirit and no one can see Him. No one can see a Spirit unless it chooses to manifest itself, and that's why in the OT God manifested Himself in different ways such as the "angel of the Lord" and as a "man", but in the NT He manifested as Jesus Christ. God is the only Spirit that can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time. Jesus as God was everywhere and knew everything, but in His humanity He was confined to certain places and didn't know everything. If we understand the dual nature of Christ and how they work we will understand the Godhead, not the Trinity, the Godhead. The Bible says that the Father will send the HS yet Jesus said He will send the HS, the HS is also called the Spirit of Christ in the BIble so what Jesus was saying was that He was going to send His Spirit within us, not a "third" person

[@daviddavidson7266]

@@viviennebaptiste I see what you are saying and it is a great explanation. I'm honestly torn between the oneness and Trinitarian viewpoints. I find scriptural proof and contradictions for both, but I don't believe anyone will have the most accurate understanding and answers to many of our questions until we are in Heaven. The great amount of debates that continuously occur within the church are more of a distraction than anything. Much of the church has veered from the path of preaching the main focus of the entire Bible, the message of the Cross--death and resurrection of Christ Who gave Himself as payment for our sins.

[@daviddavidson7266]

@DangerKeys What is that? Two (Father & Son)? I’ve looked a little at that option too.

[@mfblume1]

Bernard did not mean that trinitarians feel there are three spirits they get baptized with. He meant that trinitarians agree they did not get three spirits. I think you misunderstood him completely there.

[@christopherasher8410]

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” - Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV) “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” - Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” - Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” - Isaiah 43:11 (KJV) Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” - Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) “Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.” - Hosea 13:4 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” - Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” - Micah 5:2 (KJV) “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” - Luke 1:47 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” - Luke 1:68 (KJV) John 1 (KJV) ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” - John 1:14 (KJV) John 8 (KJV) ²⁴ I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. ²⁵ Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. ²⁶ I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. ²⁷ They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” - John 8:58 (KJV) “I and my Father are one.” - John 10:30 (KJV) “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” - John 12:45 (KJV) John 13 (KJV) ³¹ Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. ³² If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. John 14 (KJV) ⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ⁷ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. ⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ¹⁰ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. ¹¹ Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 17 (KJV) ⁵ And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” - John 20:28 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” - Acts 20:28 (KJV) “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,” - Romans 1:1 (KJV) “I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;” - 1 Corinthians 1:4 (KJV) “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” - 1 Corinthians 15:47 (KJV) “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” - 2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - 2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” - 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) Colossians 1 (KJV) ¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ¹⁶ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ¹⁷ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” - Colossians 2:9 (KJV) Hebrews 1 (KJV) ¹ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, ² Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; “But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;” - Titus 1:3 (KJV) “To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” - Jude 1:25 (KJV) “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” - James 2:19 (KJV) “To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.” - Isaiah 40:25 (KJV) “To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?” - Isaiah 46:5 (KJV) “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” - Philippians 2:6 (KJV) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” - Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11 (KJV) Philippians 2 (KJV) ¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; ¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (KJV) Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16

[@scottsprowl7484]

Here's another verse. Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

[@tarneshakegler5834]

I truly want to know. Can you show me Trinity in the bible?

[@viviennebaptiste]

you won't find it, and im not even talking about the word I mean the entire doctrine of the trinity. Please go study it, it was made by Constantine and some christian bishops when they tried to make sense of the NT so they came up with different theories and positions

[@truthbebold4009]

There are two divine beings and their spirit. The trinity DESTROYS the Father/Son relationship. The entirety of the Bible reveals this.

[@edwinholcombe2741]

Whether you agree with it or not, there are Trinitarian ministers who will teach what kind of prayer goes to the Father, what kind of prayer to the Son, and another kind that goes to the Holy Spirit. Some of those ministers are well-known.

[@richford2514]

We're to pray to the Father Jesus nobody else

[@YouDontWantItWithMe]

I've never once heard someone preach that in 41 years in Trinity churches

[@itsbillhere9315]

So do the "persons" get along? Why is there 1 throne in heaven? Which person do you pray to? How many people in the new testament were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ?

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

He said that you were confused At The mention of three spirits. So to explain a little: a being is not alive without his spirit. So if the father is not the Holy Spirit, then does the father not have his own spirit? Also if the spirit of Yeshua( the Consciousness inside the flesh body of the Jewish guy named Yeshua) is not synonymous with the Holy Spirit, then that would be two different spirits. In that manner the Trinity Doctrine brings forth a logical problem of there being three different spirits. I know that you guys refuse to think logically when it comes to the godhead, but try to understand where others are coming from please.

[@javierdelgado1554]

Three persons who share one spirit or divinty yet being separate or distinct from one another yet being the one same God????? Crazy teaching.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@javierdelgado1554 "they" are not "distinct from one another" because he is ONE. Not three persons, but ONE!

[@terryhatcher7271]

Javier Delgado not sure how it’s crazy. Jesus prayed to the Father that the apostles would be one as He and the Father are one. Were the apostles suppose to fuse into one person?

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@terryhatcher7271 I wouldn't say it in those words, but YES! This is the mystery of the gospel that the wicked cannot receive. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians:5:30-32 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 1 Corinthians:12:27 A body part is not a separate distinct person or entity. All body parts together are what make up the ONE person. The scripture says that his people are HIS VERY BODY PARTS. Meaning him. Not separate from him in any way. Literally ONE singular unit as Messiah himself. This is what Yeshua prayed. Yes, that his followers would literally become a part of himself as Yahweh. So it would no longer be us, but Messiah in us. I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians:2:20 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians:1:27 But these scriptures do not apply to everyone. Only those that believe on Yeshua as Yahweh and die to themselves and become the very body of Yeshua. The wicked cannot hear this. It is the great mystery of the Gospel.

[@terryhatcher7271]

Yoshi Murphy the words I’m using is keeping the Oneness interpretation of scripture in context. Jesus says “I and the Father are one.” Oneness interpretation based on this verse is that they are the same Person. So you would have to interpret the rest of the scripture the same way to be consistent.

[@texican5619]

The one verse that truly throws out the whole trinity doctrine is Isaiah 9:6 to me. “6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Plus he’s the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the “I AM”, and many more. If you seek him with your whole heart you will find him. Childlike faith cant understand the trinity.

[@jthanrubio1126]

And Yet we cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven unless we become like children. This child-like faith allows us to sit on the lap of the truth of who our Messiah is. YHWH is Echad, One. YHWH is Yeshua, our Wonderful Counselor , Everlasting Father, our G-d with us!

[@texican5619]

Isaac Brian Denny well how then is Jesus my creator and my “grandpa” father God my father? He isn’t the father of confusion. Is the God of the Old Testament father God or His begotten son?

[@markforsythe1916]

@Isaac Brian Denny you have to understand the fact that the one true God our heavenly father became a true man while remaining unchangeable in the heavens. God became something that he had never been before; God became a true human son. God is the father of all living things including the man child that was born in Bethlehem. You have to understand that Jesus Christ consisted of a hypostatic union: he was fully God and fully man. Ontologically as a human being; he prayed, got hungry, got tired, got sleepy, and was tempted of the devil, but as to his Divine nature he was the one true God. Jehovah the one true God, as our father, is an invisible Spirit. That Spirit over shadowed and conceived a child in the virgin Mary. Luke 1:35 says "for that reason, that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Another God person wasn't born as a son that day, the one true God actually became a son in flesh while remaining immutable in the heavens. God never stopped being God "Mal. 3:6", but as a man he had to be like us in order to be our kinsman redeemer. The bible says that Jesus is the express image of his [the one true Gods] person. meaning an exact copy and representation of his divine person. I would be happy to answer any question that you have further. Understand the true nature of God as the scriptures teach is awesome.

[@Robert-rs2gz]

@@markforsythe1916 I notice you quoted the first ch. of hebrews so how about versus 8-13

[@markforsythe1916]

@@Robert-rs2gz Sorry if this seems lengthy but bare with me and thanks for the question. First let's take Hebrews 1:8-9. 8.But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. This is a quote from Psalm 45:1-7 Here, notice the language beginning in verse 1. the Psalmist says "I SPEAK of the things which I HAVE MADE touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. 2.Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 3.Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 4. And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5. Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. 6. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The Psalmist was inspired to address the "Messiah" as God who would ascend to the throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) which inspired scripture identifies as the "throne of Jehovah” (1 Chronicles 29:23-ESV, “Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD [Yahweh] as king in place of David his father.”) and “the throne of God and of the Lamb” (Rev. 22:3 BSB - “The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him”) No God the Father would be speaking to a second God person the Son saying "thy throne oh God", and in no way would he be speaking to the Son as a second God the Son person saying "thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” because one God person could not anoint another God person if they are "suposedly" co equal as trinitarians affirm. If this was a picture of God the Father anointing God the Son then this would make the Son inferior and subordinate, not co equal as trinitarians affirm. Once again oneness theology is the only fitting explanation for Hebrews 1:8-9. The one true God our heavenly Father had an eternal plan to overshadow a Hebrew virgin with his Spirit to bring forth a human son that could die for the sin of mankind and be our kinsman redeemer, receive Glory, be exalted to his throne where humanity would be incorporated into his nature forever. For the one true God our heavenly Father made a copied image of his divine person as a human person (Hebrews 1:3). Moving on to verse 10. The writer in Hebrews is still addressing this about the Son but he is quoting Psalm 102: 25 which is speaking directly about the one true God our heavenly Father (LORD- which is the Hebrew tetragrammaton for Yahweh). All the previous verses in Psalm 102 are all speaking to "the LORD". So the writer is speakinging of the Son which is the messiah as being the one true God as to his divine nature. The writer could not speak of the heavens being the work of the Sons hands as to a second co-equal divine person of an alleged trinity if the old Testament verses clearly state that the Father alone created heaven and earth..(Isaiah 44:24, Malachi 2:10, Isaiah 64:8) Hope this makes sense, God bless

[@Blacklist324]

4:25 In Acts it's clear the disciples baptized in Jesus' name. The question is were they obedient to the great commission? I think we would agree they did not disobey Christ. So what does this mean concerning the Godhead?

[@AndyAyala-]

What is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit???????

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

[@peytonallen1135]

Which is fulfilled in Philippians 2:10✝️

[@SEK.7]

​@@peytonallen1135 wow! I love this connection of the two scriptures

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 45:22 (KJV) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

is 45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. COMPARE TO Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@msolav63]

So you don't believe the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God? I hope so.

[@msolav63]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 Proverbs 30:4 4 WHO has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? WHO has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? WHO has established all the ends of the earth? What is his NAME, and what is the NAME OF HIS SON? Surely you know! Bruce, do you know the name of the SON of God? Jesus is not the FATHER, He is the SON.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@msolav63 what did i say that would make you reach that conclusion?

[@msolav63]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 Bruce: A) Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS, or TRINITY of PERSONS. B) Oneness believe in ONE GOD THREE modes/manifestations or TRINITY of modes/manifestations. As you can see Oneness are Trinitarians. The TRINITY is inevitable!

[@DAce-vu5ct]

What if someone is incapable of intellectual ascent to understanding the Trinity ?

[@GracieDontPlayDat]

Well…in the US there is a 3 branch federal government. They are separate, but the same. And since the Beatles and transcendentalists brought Hindu British Raj to America, our governments looks more and more like the Hindu-Buddhist-Kabbalist Oneness god the citizens experience at yoga.

[@JettyBootChamp]

Also, David Bernard and Apostolic Pentecostals are not "Jesus only". Not even sure exactly what that means. Acts 2:38 states to be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

[@dragonbloooe]

(KJV) 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

[@transatlanticwhirlwind7589]

To be fair this is added.

[@dragonbloooe]

I've heard that a lot about the bible, and if so much has been added, removed, or tweaked, does anyone really trust it? I do. I only posted this because it shows the trinity, but also shows oneness because it says, "These three are one."

[@transatlanticwhirlwind7589]

@@dragonbloooe Yesh well this I an example were we know it was added in 1500s. All the other stuff has much older texts were it’s consistent.

[@rykellim]

If you believe the KJV you will believe in the authenticity of 1 John 5:7 and reject any version which omits this verse.

[@viviennebaptiste]

you do realize that that verse was added it is not in the original ? so you can't even use that

[@bloominati8892]

4:00 Oneness theology doesn't reject the biblical distinctions of Father and Son. It just doesn't make hypostatic distinctions between them.

[@bloominati8892]

@Jason H No tradition does. The concept of hypostatic distinctions is a post biblical development. The Bible never even mentions "three" with reference to God's person in all of scripture, which would seem strange if it is such an essential doctrine. You worship 3 different persons. What prophet or apostle ever did such a thing?

[@bloominati8892]

@Jason H Firstly you didn't answer my question. Secondly not all who call themselves Oneness understand the Godhead the same way. I reject the Sabellian sequential Modalism that you seem to think I affirm. The fact that you say "Oneness theology makes it appear that there's three different God's" just demonstrates that you don't understand Oneness theology at all. It's almost laughable given the emphasis we put on God's unipersonality. If anybody is making the Godhead appear like 3 different God's it would be Trinitarians. I know that's not what you believe because I was a former trinitarian, but let's be honest, you worship 3 divine persons. When you say you worship One God it's only semantics since your "Oneness" only refers to the Nature and not the persons. Do we have relationships with natures or persons? Anyways there is no basis to claim that the voice from heaven or the appearance of the dove indicates a plurality of persons in YHWH. It certainly doesn't teach the trinity doctrine, which again is a post biblical development. YHWH is one. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are manifestations of YHWH. The form of the dove was for the Baptist to identify the Messiah. He simply saw a symbol of Gods Spirit, not another person in the Godhead. The voice from heaven doesn't teach us that Jesus was a separate person from God but shows that God still exists as the omnipresent Spirit even after the incarnation. The voice from heaven was for the sake of the people present at His baptism, not to teach us that the person of The Father is one out of the three in the Godhead. A distinction yes, but not a distinction of eternal persons in God's essence. That wouldn't even enter the mind of an ancient Israelite. Jesus was YHWH manifested in the flesh and was limited by His genuine humanity which is why he prayed to the Father. He's praying with a human mind not divine omniscience. The distinction arose when God took on a human existence. When he became man he never ceased to be the transcendent God. They exist simultaneously. The distinction between the Father and Son is a distinction due to the incarnation because of the addition of humanity to God's eternal existence as exclusive Spirit. "Father" is a reference to God apart from & Beyond the incarnation. The Son" or "Jesus Christ" is a reference to God's existence in the incarnation. He is the great "I AM" not "We Are".

[@bloominati8892]

@Jason H Amen!

[@faithfultheology]

@Jason H I have a question for you if there 3 separate persons

[@terryhatcher7271]

Bloominati Jesus himself draws a distinction between the Father, The Holy Spirit and Himself. He even speaks of Himself and the Father in plural form. Apostolics say that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit. He never claimed such.

[@1GodInJesusChrist]

Doesn’t misrepresent the oneness movement? Ok, at the end of the video he says oneness theology is very man centered cetiriology (not sure I spelled that right lol). Our full reliance is on Jesus Christ. We’re saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves. Funny how dr. White sits there and acts like he doesn’t misrepresent our views.

[@Murrietaplumber]

He said 3 spirits because it says in scripture God is Spirit and Trinitarians say 3 persons of God in 1 so the question would be 3 of what?

[@ao2761]

You guys are all funny. When Jesus was alive, did he bring all these concepts of trinitarianism in his preaches???? It doesn’t matter what type of christianity you serve, either oneness or trinitarianism, just follow his teachings, that’s all. Let god, which ever form you worship. His invisible form or physical human form judge you for your sins Don’t try and be god and judge people saying they will or won’t be saved.

[@Mari-B]

Amen!!

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

That is true, pure indoctrination

[@GracieDontPlayDat]

Christian Bible says Christ IS alive, seated at the right hand of the Father, and Christ left His spirit on Earth to teach us all things. Jesus claimed to be God on Earth, and the Jews ordered Him killed for it! Why would a Oneness Christ say He is leaving His Spirit for you and going to see His Father, yet claim He and His Father are one? The word that developed for that is Trinity.

[@disciplefan1221]

07:04 This is seems to be characteristic of a lot of folks in this movement. It's like a purposeful mischaracterization of the Trinity, while refusing to acknowledge any lack of understanding. I think it's either an attempt to gaslight, or they're just THAT committed to being unique.

[@HonestlyTho-ThePodcastShow]

how are three persons still one spirit? isn't a person a spirit, isn't a spirit an entity by itself? Jesus according to Hebrews 1 verse 3 was made in the Image of The Father's Person... What in Jesus' name is the trinitarian view on these questions/statements?

[@iamhisservant5787]

Because God is a Spirit he is also Omnipresent as he fills the universe he can also manifest himself in the Son and Holy Spirit.

[@HonestlyTho-ThePodcastShow]

@@iamhisservant5787 I don't understand a word of what you are saying...I don't even think you're answering my question. You probably posted on the wrong comment. Please read my comment and restructure your response please... it's lacking everything that would suggest that it's directed at me saving the fact that it was under my comment

[@justashleekeyton]

10 year olds don’t understand the Trinity. They just have the definition of the Trinity memorized.

[@antoniod.consenta5715]

This is took Bishop Bernard so outta context that you all should be taken off of KZbin

[@Mari-B]

Why are you angry?

[@Mari-B]

Bernard was raised in this belief and never had a chance to receive a revelation of anything but what he was taught. They teach if you do not believe exactly as they do you can't go to Heaven. Sad! I have experience with this and I know.

[@yoshiperspectives4880]

@@Mari-B I wasn't raised in the belief, but rather read the Bible on my own over and over again in English and in Hebrew and much prayer and fasting and found the Oneness of God to be a solid truth found everywhere on Scripture. But on the contrary the Trinity docterine nowhere in Scripture besides useless speculation built from a misunderstanding of the Scriptures and the nature of God. You're so arrogant, acclaiming this man's faith to brain washing, when it's actually the other way around. You're the one that has NO SCRIPTURE WHATSOEVER so support a Trinity Docterine.

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 47:4 (KJV) As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. It doesn't say the Holy Three of Israel.

[@Romans--pe4yh]

Yes… we know… Yahweh is one God

[@kimmykimko]

So you deny that Holy Spirit is God, the Father is God and Jesus is God? Just because you can't understand how God can be 1 and 3 separate persons doesnt mean its false. You're Not GOD. His ways are above your ways and thoughts above your thoughts. Mortal men...such arrogance. He is HOLY. Totally Other, totally unique.

[@arc-michaelr9580]

Awesome clip! Excellent summary of the New Testament Salvation Plan. Would anybody have a link to the whole link!

[@allenwoodward9258]

Hello again Michael. James White is an amazing communicator. He said, "There are many Christians who would fail a fundamental test on the nature of the doctrine of the Trinity. That's a shame, it shouldn't be that way but that's the reality." So one doesn't need to really understand the doctrine of the Trinity to become a Christian. So one doesn't need to really understand the doctrine of the Trinity to be saved. Since no one in the Bible ever heard of the doctrine which took centuries to formulate how were they saved? The bible has a history book i.e., Acts to reveal that. James continued by saying, "And I've always distinguished between willful rejection and simple ignorance. I've always said, Do you know the truth, and do you accept the truth? If you don't know the truth, that's different than knowing the truth and willfully rejecting it." Obviously. But the cults say the same thing. Quite honestly, I have never heard or read any explanation of the Trinity that convinced me it is actually "true." I've read of Trinitarians arguing with other Trinitarians about the role of Jesus' submission to the Father to the point they almost label each other heretics. That's happened historically within the Trinitarian development. There's a book by Marian Hillar called "From Logos to Trinity." A very heavy read. It will show you the profound shifts in thinking that occurred when the essentially Jewish faith of the N.T. became severed from its roots and mixed with strong pagan Greek ideas. Glen Davidson, M.A. cum laude, majoring in church history a Jew wrote a 126 pg book "The Development of the Trinity." He is a oneness pastor. I have a few books by on church history and anyone can see how this doctrine slowly developed, and those who rejected it were persecuted or killed. So, I "know" the truth, I don't reject it, I love it. Trinitarianism is simply Tradition, doctrine, but a misinterpretation non the less.

[@arc-michaelr9580]

@@allenwoodward9258 you’re right! Knowledge of these doctrines is not salvation, but it leads to a greater understanding of who God is. It is important to understand and read the Bible without the filters of the more *modern* views of oneness and the trinity. At least this is what I’ve tried to do in recent times. But it is also important to realize what Paul said: “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, And by a foolish nation I will anger you.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:2-4, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬ He is talking about the Jews of his time. For their lack of belief that Jesus Christ was Lord, the Son of God, the Messiah - as Peter himself, a One-God believing Israelite knowledgeable of the Schema, confessed that God had a Son (Matt 16:13-20, Mark 8:27-30, John 6:63-69). Peter, along with the rest of the early Jewish Christian’s were giving up everything to follow this man, whom they acknowledged to be the Son of God, who gave them words of Eternal Life - and be sure, this went against everything their Jewish faith had taught them about the One-God. The Jews - because of their strong zeal for God, but not of knowledge… they could not believe in Jesus. And this was the very message of Peter in Acts 2, to the house of Israel. That they recognize Jesus Christ as the Jewish Messiah, and that they turn away from believing what they had believed about Jesus - that he was a heretic, false teacher. Even Paul preached this message “And straightaway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God” Imagine what that sounded like, better yet, study the Jewish theology on One-God to know what that caused in the Zealous minds of the One-God believing Jews! They knew very well what Idolatry had cost them, the Babylonian exile, their very present Roman oppression, their ancestry, their uniqueness among the nations. So yes, perhaps the Jewish roots were migrated to Greek ideologies. But did not Paul himself preach from the Jews to the Greeks? If we had a chance to step into the Jewish mind of those early Christians in Acts 2, I could almost guarantee they would believe in neither the oneness nor the trinity explanations of who God is. They would likely believe the father and the spirit are one and the same (the eternal spirit) and Jesus as the Son of God - a sort of Binity. “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭30:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@arc-michaelr9580]

@@allenwoodward9258 also - in my original comment I said nothing about the trinity or oneness - my comment was on Dr White’s summary of the New Testament Salvation Plan - God’s work upon the human being. 😊

[@elycurt7900]

What's the issue of trinity here? God is a spirit, then who do you think is the Holy spirit, why does God need to work in harmony together with another person?? Do you know God???? He created the earth. The universe!!! Do you actually think he needs to split Himself into 3 to help him up????? Have we forgotten that God is! God was. God will always be! He doesn't need to split Himself or create deception about His dirty, hey the same God said, there is no other Gods before me, and He doesn't need help, Jesus Christ the flesh, the vessel, is not apart from God's dirty, there is no seperation, we need, or at least He knows that we can't reach Him or understand Him that's why He made a way to dwell among us, doesn't mean there are 2 or three person now when Christ was born,.. God is omnipotent. He is everywhere at the same time, the past, present and in the future He is there, He is everywhere at the same time, HE IS NOT affected in our time. That's our problem we try so much to define what God is or ateast His diety, in our own limited minds, we forgot God cannot be defined on what we got. Our minds are set in some sort of barier, or seperation in understanding infinity.. divinity.. we don't have those in us. God can describe us without even seaking, we can't describe God even if we use up all our man made words. When He said He is one, we better just believe that, cus if ask Him how, our heads will explode Suz we can't contain all the information of He have to say, that's why when Moses asked Him, whoe are you He just said I AM. That's all you need to know. And HE IS ONE GOD. God just have to set some funtional ways to understand that. That's why He needed to be the father, the son, and holy ghost. Functions that we need follow to understand God. To reach God. Doesn't mean they need to work together as trinity for us to believe, He worked 3 different stages for us, to make things easy for us. Cuz I believe there is a need to have a filter to reach God remember those who were killed when trying to get close to the ark of the covenant??? why did they die?? They can't contain God. God kept a record and an example of it to know that we are not fit to see, hear, or reach God. Put it this way, he puts up 3 distinct offices to go to for us to be qualified of His precedence.. have you ever thought about it?

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 45:6 (KJV) That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

[@fireflames3639]

No Trinitarian disagrees with that verse

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

If you hear any oneness indoctrinated person they all repeat the same. They assume that trinitarians are pagans worshipers due Roman Catholic church is using the representation of old Babylonian beliefs. But it is not true. I do not understand how difficult is to understand what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, no one disagrees there is only one God but the oneness doctrine creates division and it is unbiblical. Remember we are created in the image of God, we have a body, soul and spirit there are no three me's but only one, however there are three interpretations.

[@johnsonlalrinsanga4628]

Comparing with idols. Read from Genesis to Malachi, all point to danger and warning about worshipping idols.

[@unwmk]

If you want to know the mystery of the Godhead, this is what the Lord have revealed to me in the scriptures. Far too long people have not understand the God we serve, so this is the message to open up your eyes. He that hath an ear, let him hear! Mark 12:28‭-‬32 KJV 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Isaiah 35:4‭-‬6 KJV 4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. 5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. 6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert. Luke 2:11 KJV For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. WE ONLY HAVE ONE SAVIOUR AND ONE LORD AND JESUS CHRIST IS HE. Matthew 11:2‭-‬6 KJV 2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? 4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. Isaiah 45:21‭-‬23 KJV 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord ? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. ref. John 1:1-2, 14, John 8:42, ref. Isaiah 55:11 KJV Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. John 1:1-2, 14 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:8‭-‬9 KJV 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Psalms 62:7 KJV In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. Hosea 13:4‭, ‬9 KJV 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. 5 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. 1 Corinthians 10:1‭-‬4 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 2 John 1:3‭, ‬7 KJV 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 1 John 5:1 1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. With that said, Jesus Christ is our Lord but he is subject to the Father, for the head of Christ is God. The spirit which is Christ manifested itself in the flesh, so the man was not God, but the Spirit in him, that was our Lord and our God. We do not have two God, only one. When we say Jesus Christ is Lord, that is to the glory of the Father, for he was the one occupying that body...It is a mystery. Not every one will get it. Colossians 1:19 KJV For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Matthew 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: That was all God. He is the Father who created all things things. God was manifest in flesh, working in a body bearing the title Son, and when he was glorified, bear the title Holy Ghost. That is all God. God sent the Son which was his own Word behold as of the only begotten of the Father. For Jesus said, John 7:29 KJV But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. John 8:42 KJV Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Isaiah 55:11 KJV So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. ref. Isaiah 45:22-23 JESUS WAS THAT WORD! By honouring the Son even as we honour the Father according to John 5:23 is not a sin because you're giving glory and honour to the one he proceeded forth and came from. The Father never died, the flesh died, which was and is the Son of God. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And remember, the preaching of the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:36 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:45‭-‬47 KJV 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: THE SECOND MAN IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN. Ephesians 4:5‭-‬6 KJV 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. This is a message for the people of God, Jesus Christ is God, again, I say Jesus Christ is God. Look to him and be ye saved. And as concerning you, Trinitarians. The Trinity is a lie, your doctrine is a myth! This is a true saying, there is one God and none other but he! Deuteronomy 32:39 KJV See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 44:24 KJV Thus saith the Lord , thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

[@robertmyers6865]

TRUE! I like that!!!!! I wrote an article, sometime back, called "Created in His Image." The LOGOS, in John 1:1, is simply 'Plan.'

[@nathanielhundley7997]

But none of these versus contradict the trinity. In fact many help to say that they Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit have always been and are one. Denying this places you in contrast to the Bible and in Heresy. God is one but all three of the persons are God.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

All indoctrinated oneness people always assume that the fact that a Christian believes in the representation of God in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is pagan. We are not Roman catholics, you guys insult other Christians. It is an indoctrination for all churches that the same speech is repeated one and another and always assuming that, because the word trinity is not in bible, agree, neither oneness. You guys just speak from your own tongue about others, no one that believes the representation of God thinks there are three Gods. We all have one body, one soul and spirit, the body is not the spirit right? but we are one, there are no three persons in me but one, we were created at his image.

[@DjAmpfibian]

Protestants wanted nothing to do with the corruptible Catholic Church. It’s how they was form. Yet, they still continued following the Catholics doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine came from Catholics, therefore you are still under the Catholic influence :)

[@DjAmpfibian]

@@Fr4nkSanchezOne body, one soul, and one spirit is not three persons my friend. It’s a unity of elements pertaining to the same person. Does your spirit and soul have lives of their own like Christ and the Father? Absolutely not. Your analogy of the trinity makes no sense. According to the trinity doctrine the first and second person speaks. What about the third person? Is he a mute? The Father always was and always will be the Only God the prophets Only knew of Him to be. Elohim is the God (singular) of manifestations (plural). This has been the Jewish teaching way before Trinitarians claimed Elohim to be a plural God making up three persons.

[@josephwhite8850]

If you’re gonna see three persons, then surely there’s three body’s is there not three spirits?

[@sandina2cents779]

The father and spirit do not have a body. Jesus put on a body so he’s the only one who has one now. You have a body and a spirit so does that make you two persons? Or are you two separate beings in one person? Spiritual being and flesh being.

[@robertmyers6865]

My question to you sir, IS, Do you realize WHAT you said at the time of 3:45 ? You said "The three divine personS SHARE the one BEING that IS God." That is MORE confusing to the trinitarians, yet! How can THREE divine PERSONS be sharing ANOTHER being, that IS GOD? WOW! You got me confused NOW!!!!!🤣

[@Chirhopher]

Very nice! Grace, Peace, n LOVE to all the Elect, in The a HOLY [ONE].

[@isaiasrivas7431]

God’s chosen people, the Israelites do not believe in the doctrine of the trinity, I’m sticking with them.

[@brettheis7895]

They also have rejected Jesus. So, you know, really think it over.

[@davidbalicki3567]

"do not believe in the doctrine of the trinity" = rejection of the Biblical Jesus = if they continue in that refusal to believe - eternal separation from God.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[@randelbarro2566]

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was the original Baptism did by apostles. There were no apostles did using Baptism the titles of God.

[@yourcommunitypastor3615]

Trinity is a complex subject. Australian theologian Michael Bird said “Trinity is a secondary doctrine created for teaching purpose” my question is what is the primary doctrine then?

[@anthonybardsley4985]

One lord one faith ,one baptism (spiritual ) .one God and father of us all .

[@11304800]

So,how does your post explain anything??

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

[@terryhatcher7271]

That passage actually acknowledges the trinity; One God and Father (Father), one LORD (Jesus Christ), and one Spirit (Holy Ghost).

[@lefonzopollock4345]

It's sad that White (in error) believes that I don't understand; because I see the truth of Scripture and correctly reject his false triune god theory and it's trinity doctrine. I believe the truth, that's why I rejected the lie of persons distinct in unity being the God of the Bible!

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@Max one God one spirit the father and the son are both God so you tell me who you think he was praying to

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@Max Give Scripture saying what you just proposed. Sir... You have no Bible to support what you claim, sorry. No verses say... God is distinct persons We are to call Him a plurality (they, them, ya'll, their) That He need distinct persons in unity to be who He Is. You have NO Scripture to support your view. You read about the One God of the Bible and infer into the text a triune god theory because of your presupposition brought to the text about God being a triune god. He isn't triune He's One Eternal Spirit who reveals to us that He is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost by His Spirit. I say and believe what the Bible says about Jesus Christ. I'm not inferring what Jesus never said. I won't say what God didn't say about Himself. To believe in a triune god you must say what God didn't say about Himself.

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@Max God isn't being "distinct in persons" by being Father Son And Holy Ghost He's SPIRIT! Spirit reveals the "PERSON" of God Who is Father Son Holy Spirit Because He is The Eternal Spirit! Your persons theory Gives you another view of the One True God of Scripture With the pre-supposition you bring to the text ALL Scripture is interpreted (in your view) with a must be persons for you to accept them. I only believe what I read. God is the Father/Son/Holy Spirit Because He is the Eternal One Spirit/Person Being the three we see.

[@davidkennard6071]

Lefonzo Pollock you are out of your depth. The Bible clearly teaches God is triune! There’s no way to read the NT and not see the distinction between all 3 persons.

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@@davidkennard6071 Out of the depth of the flesh And receiving the Truth coming In the depth of the Holy Ghost! The triune god theory has you seeing a trinity doctrine that isn't represented by the Jesus of the Bible!

[@AFJDP]

Dr. White I think you misunderstood what Dr. Bernard was saying. At 2:36 he was not saying that Trinitarians believe they receive 3 spirits, he clearly said that he does not believe they believe that. He said they DON'T have a conscience experience of praying to 3 spirits. Also, your claim that Oneness believers have a problem with the distinction between the Father and the Son, is not true. You have Dr. Bernard's Oneness book, so you know that he acknowledges a distinction. What he denies is that the Son is a second person of the Godhead. He teaches that the "Son" in human form is distinct from the Father.

[@billymimnaugh3998]

Who will be sitting on the throne of Heaven when you get there ? Will there be three or one .Can you name one time in the new test image that didn’t baptize in Jesus name .Please give one example .

[@gleasonparker1684]

Usually baptiser would say "in the name of Jesus I baptize you into the name of the father son and holy spirit"

[@markforsythe1916]

When??

[@adrianespinoza8016]

If you read acts you'll see they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ... never Father, Son, Holy Spirit

[@robertmyers6865]

This title business was created by the Catholics, then added to the Scripture. The oldest manuscript do NOT have it.

[@robertmyers6865]

Paul says there is NO OTHER NAME, the name Jesus is the HIGHEST NAME there is. And you DO NOT add anything to it!

[@prettyboimut1]

@@adrianespinoza8016 they baptize with both

[@JenniferVeterans4truth]

Well I guess none of the apostles nor any of the church fathers were your definition of Christian...

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

The Church Fathers first used the word “Trinity” in the 2nd century, at the latest. Idk what you’re talking about.

[@randelbarro2566]

There were wrong beliefs about the diety of God and in fact Jesus Christ himself emphasizes those have wrong beliefs in him and said; they will surely died with their sins if they believed not that he is. John 8:24

[@alecb3332]

I would love to see postmodern trinitarians and oneness Christians try to explain their views to a teacher from the early church only to see both worldviews blown to bits along with the Arians and Sebellians who may have blundered into the convo.

[@dannylayne4227]

Jesus is the father / son / holy spirit

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

No He is not, and one cannot be saved if they believe this.

[@grahamgreen988]

Dr White's sweaters are a crime against the 1980s 🤣🤣

[@lancebach]

1 KINGS 18 21 AND ELIJAH CAME TO ALL THE PEOPLE, AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL, FOLLOW HIM.” BUT THE PEOPLE ANSWERED HIM NOT A WORD. ON ELIJAH’S RETURN HE MIGHT WELL REPEAT THE ABOVE WORDS [THIS TIME ROUND ELIJAH MAY WELL SAY THE FOLLOWING:- “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? “IF LORD JESUS IS YOU SAVIOUR” - FOLLOW HIM. BUT IF “THE TRINITY = BAAL” IS YOUR SAVIOUR FOLLOW HIM. PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS THE CHRIST THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES FOR THEY ARE ONE - ONE SPIRIT -THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL.

[@msolav63]

In Revelation 1: 1-2 says: The revelation of Jesus Christ 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. WHO IS THIS GOD that gave the revelation to Jesus Christ while Christ was in heaven? Oneness dogma teaches when Jesus is in heaven he is the FATHER but when he is on earth he is the Son but here you can realize the flaws in you belief or dogma because Jesus and the FATHER are both in heaven. This revelation is unique in the New Testament in that it is not simply "inspired by God", it actually comes directly from God, partly given by oracle and partly by vision. There is a very clear delineation that John makes between God and Jesus Christ. We are clearly told that God gave this vision to Jesus Christ. How are we going to take this? If we follow the oneness view of God, the FATHER and the Son and the Holy Spirit are supposedly Jesus Christ then why is the distinctive mention of God and Jesus Christ separated from each other? Tell me why Jesus is NOT the author of the Revelation vision at all, but God is? Or, according to oneness thinking, could this mean that Jesus Christ created the visions and then passed them on to himself? What we read is that God is the author who gives the visions to Jesus, who is but 2nd in a long chain of 5 steps; the fifth step being the Believer who hears and/or reads the Book of Revelation. The oracles and visions begin with God (the Father), are passed along to Jesus the Son, then to angels, angels to John, and then finally to us in written form. Jesus is not the Father God Bless!

[@DisChannelisMine]

“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬

[@sandraclark2922]

I grew up in a trinitarian church (Missouri Synod lutheran church) but when I was 27 I got filled with the holy ghost at a pentecostal church UPCI and eventually moved to Austin and attended Brother Bernard's church so I'm familiar with both sets of beliefs and I can say that what Brother Bernard is talking about here is practically speaking most trinitarians don't really believe in 3 separate m individual people.. Most trinitarians don't even know what a Trinity is they just say it's a mystery and they move on . Whenever I am forced to listen to a trinitarian preacher I just cringe when they start praying because they'll begin praying to the father and before many seconds go by they'll be talking about how he died on the cross for their sins then they'll finish it out with "in Jesus' name". If you are truly a trinitarian you don't believe that the father died on the cross, it was the son; and the father made it necessary for the son to die across which makes it very very similar to human sacrifice! That's one reason I know that there's not a Trinity because God hates human sacrifice.

[@mudfoot3000]

Matthew 16:15-17 King James Version 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

I kind agree with you. I grew up in a Church of God church, I moved to US and I am attending to an UPCI church. What really surprises me is what UPCI teaches in their church, they basically lie to their people because I went to a few classes about their doctrine and I felt so offended when they were explaining what other denominations belives that is not true, they assume that because that is what they indoctrinate pastors, leaders, etc. We dont believe there are three gods, yes the word trinity is not in the bible but neither oneness. We are created in his image Body, soul and Spirit we are not three persons but one.

[@msolav63]

Sandra, did you know that oneness are Trinitarians?

[@msolav63]

Sandra: do you know that Oneness are Trinitarians?

[@johnroemeeks_apologetics]

You know that the Trinity is not true because God hates human sacrifice? I'm not sure what you mean when you say that. What difference does it make if Jesus is a separate person or that Jesus is the Father, how does one denote human sacrifice and the other doesn't? That makes absolutely no sense at all to me. The Bible says that Jesus was made flesh and bones like us fully human in every way (Hebrews 2), so if you have a problem with the Trinitarian view of Jesus being sacrificed, how is Oneness view of his sacrifice any different? We believe Jesus is God, just a separate person from the Father! Your argument makes absolutely zero sense to me. Either way it was the will of the Father for Jesus to be sacrificed on the cross. I'm sure you did experience the Holy Spirit at a oneness church, but does that mean that Trinitarians don't experience the Holy Spirit? Maybe God isn't concerned too much if someone believes in one person or three persons! Let's be honest no matter what your view is, it's very confusing and hard to understand no matter what your view is. Maybe Trinitarians and Oneness are both equally pleasing to God. We both acknowledge that Jesus is God, it's the other beliefs that take away from the deity of Christ. I do not believe that Oneness are a demonic group, I just don't agree with their interpretation, and I don't think we should look at the other side as not being of God even if you disagree!

[@gedionarklon8671]

The Trinity did not exist at the beginning of Christianity. It did not fully evolved into 325 and it was the platonic influence over the presiding council members of the time that led to the Trinity. If you clam to be a Scholar you would know that. You would also know that Plato was a pagan and introduced the Egyptian worship of the three into Christianity. It's sad you've let pride get in the way of your salvation Mr. White. I know, you know what's right. How could one GOD of the Torah become three God's in Christianity. It's sad that you are perpetuating a lie of such magnitude.

[@msolav63]

Gedion Arklon The Bible you read with the exception of some books was assembled by Catholics. The doctrine of the DUAL NATURE of Christ that oneness and Trinitarians use, it is due to Catholics, which is shocking because the DUAL NATURE of Christ and the TRINITY were approved by the Council of Nicea which oneness oppose. The Modalism you profess comes from a 3rd century Catholic MONK name Sabellius. We have been following Catholic edicts all our Church lives, we just weren’t aware of it. I can name more but with these you have the idea. Again, the doctrine of dual nature, or technically the hypostatic union, has been the official position of the Catholic Church since 451 AD. With the Protestant Reformation came many changes, however the doctrines of the Trinity and the Dual Nature of Christ were, for the most part, retained. While Oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not. It most be noted that the Dual Nature doctrine decided on at Chalcedon in 451 A.D. was built upon and is the necessary by-product of belief in the Trinity. Because the Council of Constantinople had already decided that Jesus was "very God of very God" in 381, it became incumbent upon them to “explain” all the clear references to His manhood. Does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to. Gedion Arklon, oneness doctrine does not square with scripture. Ultimately, this is the foundation on which the error of any theological opinion must be exposed. But while this is the decisive consideration in judging any theological opinion, it is not the only consideration. I want to tell you that the teachings of those Christian leaders who immediately succeeded the apostles were also very revealing on this matter. The reasoning here is simple: religious traditions take time to change. In fact, from the study of world religions we learn that religious traditions, once established, are among the most stable aspects of all human culture. They are inherently conservative and resistant to change. Therefore, it is safe to say that the apostles' teachings were not corrupted as you oneness claims. This assumption is especially justified in light of the fact that the early post-apostolic Fathers were consciously trying to preserve and protect the apostolic teachings. An examination of the teachings of the early post-apostolic Fathers, therefore, should provide us with very relevant information on this matter. Oneness Pentecostals affirm that the original apostolic teaching was that Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Why, if the apostles taught this, it is practically inconceivable that Christian leaders in the next two generations would have failed, or could have failed, intentionally or not. Yet that is exactly what one must believe to accept the adherents' claim of oneness that they possess the "original" New Testament that supposedly denies the Trinity. But none of the early Apostolic Fathers came close to upholding the doctrine of oneness. In fact, what is perhaps even more damaging to oneness' views is that there is no trace that anyone argued for or against modalism until the second or early third century. Therefore, to accept the claim of oneness, one must accept that this doctrine was not only lost (or overthrown) within a generation or two after the apostolic church, but that this occurred without anyone noticing or raising a single voice against it. If this conclusion is unacceptable and it certainly is, this provides further proof that God's vision of oneness is wrong. A relatively review of what the first post-apostolic father taught is all that is required to show that they did not have the vision that today he professes oneness. Following the New Testament pattern, they never believe that Jesus was "The FATHER" but rather the Son. Neither the apostles imply that it was the FATHER who became flesh or sent himself to the world. On the other hand, and again closely following the New Testament pattern, Jesus is called the "Son of God" dozens and dozens of times. Many more times in this literature he is called "Son of God", "The Word of God", "image of God" etc. etc. Furthermore, Jesus is mentioned with great frequency alongside with the Father and with the Holy Spirit. So if identifying Jesus as the Father and the Holy Spirit was vitally important to the apostles, then apparently they did a wonderful job of hiding this fact from those they taught. Nor Peter, or Paul or any other disciple Nor Clement 1 from the year 95 Nor Ignatius from the year 110 Nor Polycarp disciple of John (from the year 70 - 155) Nor Justin from the year 100-165 Nor Athenagoras 133-190 None of the above were ONENESS. They upheld and preserved the teachings of the Faith entrusted to them without any alteration. If the Trinity had been incorporated into the Christian Faith there would have been great resistance against this alleged apostasy, which did not happen. On the contrary, there was much controversy when some believers attempted to propagate the new vision or heretical dogma of the oneness of God at the end of the second century. This is further proof that oneness does not go back to New Testament times. But we do not find any controversy of the trinitarianism of the first post-apostolic fathers. That is why, following the New Testament pattern, the only conclusion is that the original apostolic doctrine of God was not at all the same as what oneness groups now claim it to be. God Bless!

[@gedionarklon8671]

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[@gedionarklon8671]

@@msolav63 According to what you're saying then, the Holy Spirit would be Jesus's father isn't it? Because wasn't it the Holy Spirit who overshadowed Mary ? So in that alone you have a problem. The council of Nicaea was heavily influenced by Plato and his philosophical ideas. Ideal worshipping of the time period it is how the doctrine of the Trinity was introduced into what you call now the Trinity. But in fact, there is no such thing as a trinity because at the inception of Christianity itself, in century 1 there was no such thing as the trinity In the. All the people you mentioned right now in your comment were all Influenced by Plato and his Idle worshipping that he brought from Afar into Christianity. In the 1st 100 years of Christianity there was no such thing as the trinity. Proved to me that there was at the 1st century Any Such thing as a trinity and I will convert today but I think you will be hard pressed to do so and you know it. The further you can go back with the Satanic Trinity it's to 400 AD and you know it! Now all your quotations of Scripture that you sent me are for not. I would appreciate a single verse in the Old Testament were he referred to himself as 3 people or infer that He had 3 other helpers helping them to execute whatever he needed to get done in the time of the israelites. You will find no such thing and the heresy here is the trinity, not! Oneness! You're rambling on about matters that you know you're wrong about, let me ask you something, Isn't it true that the baptismal formula that Peter used was to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? If you are correct about the baptismal formula of the father, son, and Holy Spirit why didn't Peter simply say that? Why did he instruct his followers to simply be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remissions of your sins? All the people you mentioned that were on the council and canonized the books of the Bible we're all influenced by Plato and his cronies. I suggest you take a harder look at your stands because remember? If you don't worship right you don't worship at all. May our father help you find the way to what salvation.

[@msolav63]

@@gedionarklon8671 Is that a cell phone number? It is better here so others can see and read our arguments and comments. If you want we could continue here. God Bless!

[@msolav63]

@@gedionarklon8671 Gedion, the point I'm making is that you can't deny that oneness follow Catholic doctrines such as the Double Nature and Modalism which emerged from a late-3rd century Catholic monk named Sabellius. Gedion, again this is what I said: while oneness believers reject the doctrine of the Trinity, they nevertheless accept the doctrine of Dual Nature. Is it logical to reject the idea that God is a Trinity of Persons, and yet maintain the key doctrine wich supports that idea? Of course not. Gedion, does the Bible explicitly teach anywhere that Jesus was comprised of two natures? No, it does not. It must be inferred from the text in the same manner that the Trinity is inferred from the text by many. Oneness criticizes Trinitarians for building a doctrine out of proof texts, rather than hearing the whole, clear counsel of God, while on the other hand they are doing the exact same thing with respect to the regarding Dual Nature. Oneness are being hypocritical without even realizing it, holding Trinitarians to a higher standard than they are holding themselves to. You stated: according to what you're saying, then the Holy Spirit would be Jesus Father isn't it? I don't know where you get this idea. I haven't mentioned nor am I talking about the Holy Spirit, Mary or the birth of Jesus. But, about your question, in my opinion the Holy Spirit could be called Jesus' father in a metaphorical sense, I don't see why not, lol, But no, the Biblical and correct ANSWER IS that Jesus was begotten BY THE FATHER, THROUGH the power of the Holy Spirit. He was not begotten by the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not His father. (See John 3:16) The Bible states that Jesus was conceived by Mary by the Holy Spirit, "When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Spirit" Why the discrepancies? While one New Testament passage seems to imply that Jesus was begotten by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18-20), dozens of other passages CLEARLY indicate that Jesus is the Son of God the FATHER, rather than the son of the Holy Spirit. Basically Luke 1:35 clarifies that the Holy Ghost's role was to prepare Mary to receive the power of the "Highest" God the Father. Note carefully the entire verse: "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the POWER OF THE HIGHEST, shall overshadow thee: therefore also that Holy thing which shall he born of thee shall he called the Son of God." The Bible abounds with scriptures attesting to the fact that Jesus was the Son of God the FATHER; he was not the son of the HOLY Spirit. Thus it was God the FATHER, not the Holy Spirit, who spoke to Jesus at the time of his baptism, saying, "thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased" (Luke 3:21-23, Matt. 3:16-17). It was the FATHER, rather than to the Holy Spirit, that Jesus taught his disciples to pray (Matt. 6:6-18). "We beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the FATHER" (John 1:14); "For God so loved the world, that he GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN Son" (John 3:16; see also John 3:18, 1 John 4:9). Passages like these demonstrate that Jesus was the begotten Son of the FATHER. It appears that the Holy Spirit in some miraculous way unknown to mortals, prepared Mary for the conception of God's Son. The Biblical position is that God the Father begotten Jesus the Son, rather than the Holy Spirit, is the father of Jesus. Gedion so according to what you're you saying and believe is Jesus his own FATHER? Jesus is not the FATHER! God Bless!

[@christopherasher8410]

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” - Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” - Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” - Isaiah 43:11 (KJV) Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” - Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) “Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.” - Hosea 13:4 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” - Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” - Micah 5:2 (KJV) “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” - Luke 1:47 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” - Luke 1:68 (KJV) John 1 (KJV) ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” - John 1:14 (KJV) John 8 (KJV) ²⁴ I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. ²⁵ Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. ²⁶ I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. ²⁷ They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” - John 8:58 (KJV) “I and my Father are one.” - John 10:30 (KJV) “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” - John 12:45 (KJV) John 13 (KJV) ³¹ Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. ³² If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. John 14 (KJV) ⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ⁷ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. ⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ¹⁰ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. ¹¹ Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 17 (KJV) ⁵ And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” - John 20:28 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” - Acts 20:28 (KJV) “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,” - Romans 1:1 (KJV) “I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;” - 1 Corinthians 1:4 (KJV) “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” - 1 Corinthians 15:47 (KJV) “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” - 2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” - 2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” - 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) Colossians 1 (KJV) ¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ¹⁶ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ¹⁷ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” - Colossians 2:9 (KJV) Hebrews 1 (KJV) ¹ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, ² Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; “But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;” - Titus 1:3 (KJV) “To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” - Jude 1:25 (KJV) “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” - James 2:19 (KJV) “To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.” - Isaiah 40:25 (KJV) “To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?” - Isaiah 46:5 (KJV) “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” - Philippians 2:6 (KJV) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” - 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” - Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11 (KJV) Philippians 2 (KJV) ¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; ¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@peytonallen1135]

Amen!!!!

[@rikkyrik1854]

Why only two choices??

[@theunknownone2189]

I honestly believe that both sides are right. We really need to quit fighting ourselves before we destroy ourselves. God can and will be whatever He wants to be. That’s why He said I AM. One thing I will say about oneness churches is the excommunication problem. They will completely cut you off if you leave their churches. If you come back, you go through this trial of “proving yourself “ to everyone to regain their trust. The other thing I have a problem with is the divorcing someone if they stop being oneness. That’s not right man.

[@thebiblerefutesheretics2054]

Trinity is a heresy. The Bible teaches Oneness doctrine.

[@APerson-sr9pj]

Trinity is taught in the Bible . Seems like you haven’t really watched the video . The Bible teaches one God but a plurality of persons in the one being of God . There are many questions oneness theology must answer : . Why did Jesus said he is not alone in bearing witness of himself ? ( if he was just a man indwelled by the person of the father how does that make any sense ) . Who did Jesus pray to ? ( and if you say that It is the human side of Jesus that prays , why does he say : Glorify me with the glory which I HAD WITH YOU before the world was . In Oneness Theology How does the “human side of Jesus could be adressing the Father talking about a glory with the Father before the world was ?) And many other examples ..etc A consistent study over the biblical account of the plurality of persons in the one being of God will demonstrate that no , Trinity isn’t heresy . Oneness or modalism was considered one and still is . And saying things such as : The Word Trinity is never seen in the Bible is as silly an argument as thinking the Bible doesn’t exist because the word “Bible” isn’t found in it. There is a word for the book that countains the canon of the inspired scriptures and it’s : The Bible There is a word for the biblical doctrine that explains the plurality of persons in the one being of God and it’s called : The Trinity

[@thebiblerefutesheretics2054]

Juan Pouzet I’d be happy to help you if you stick to one question at a time. Show me anywhere in the Bible where God is describe as “one Being existing in 3 different/distinct divine persons”. But please be warned, I’m a former Trinitarian who has done a huge amount of Theology research on this. Thats why I’m now Oneness.

[@thebiblerefutesheretics2054]

Juan Pouzet Have you read Dr. David Bernard’s book “the Oneness of God“? If not, here it is for free: www.pentecostalsofdadeville.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/the-oneness-of-god.pdf

[@APerson-sr9pj]

I’d recommend reading the book James wrote called : The Forgotten Trinity . I think it’d help you recognize the unbiblical assertions made on the text from the oneness position . For the points I made that you didn’t answer , I will give you time to examine them as well as studying proper church history . The unbiblical heresy called oneness theology is not new and I can as well read the book you recommend . But would you accept to read the “Forgotten trinity “from James white ?

[@thebiblerefutesheretics2054]

Juan Pouzet Sure, I would read it. Where can I get a free PDF copy of it? I gave you the “Oneness of God”, so maybe you could do the same? If you can’t, it’s OK. By the way, I dispute you calling the Biblical Oneness doctrine an “unbiblical assertion” as there is no unbiblical assertion about God being One. The Oneness of God is actually the Hebraic faith found in the Old Testament which continues into the New Testament. The real assumption is the Trinitarian doctrine which assumes God is a multi-person God. In other words the Oneness of God is the default position of the Bible whereas the multi-person Pluralist trinity doctrine is the heresy which has been assumed and forced into the text through blind and biased eisegesis.

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 48:11 (KJV) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 46:10 (KJV) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

[@lefonzopollock4345]

Jesus Name IS THE Name of The Father The Son And The Holy Ghost!

[@hanklhayes]

Dr. Bernard won this debate.

[@lancebach]

NO! JESUS WON THIS DEBATE. "John 2: 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20. Matthew 28 8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and "WORSHIPPED HIM." 24. John 20 27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 25. 2 Peter 1 1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. John 8 57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!” ISAIAH 9 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called WONDERFUL COUNSELLOR, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE PEACE BE UNTO YOU!

[@lancebach]

PSALM 2 12 KISS THE SON, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. "KISS THE SON" - NOT THE SUN OF "THE TRINITY" YOU KISS THE SON WHEN YOU HELP THOSE IN NEED.. JEREMIAH 22:16 HE JUDGED THE CAUSE OF THE POOR AND NEEDY; THEN IT WAS WELL. IS NOT THIS TO KNOW ME? DECLARES THE LORD. REVELATION 18 4 AND I HEARD ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING, “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, LEST YOU SHARE IN HER SINS, AND LEST YOU RECEIVE OF HER PLAGUES. PRAISE THE LORD - HALLELUIAH - MARANATHA.

[@freakylocz14]

Technically, yes. However, most oneness Christians believe that salvation requires works such as repenting of their sins, water baptism, that salvation can be lost, etc. This is why most non-trinitarians are not saved.

[@juandoming6688]

So do independent provisionist baptist

[@jussrusca5025]

James White obey the gospel.

[@BC-hb5fl]

James White saying there's a "tradition" filtering the thinking of David Bernard is so ironic. The Doctrine of the Trinity itself is a tradition of mere men - no Biblical basis at all. Even the so-called "Apostolic Fathers" (Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch, Ireneaeus, Tertullian, Origen) that seem to be trinitarians, are actually "subordinationists" in their statements - which sharply contradict the tenets of the doctrine of the trinity. The doctrine of trinity is a Roman Catholic doctrine, sadly adopted by the most protestants.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

James says he understands Oneness but then says that Oneness believers don't believe there's a distinction between Father and Son. This is his problem, thinking he knows the doctrine he's attacking when he actually doesn't. It's quite common with orthodox Trinitarians who have gone to theological seminary. So let me help you to understand Oneness better. The doctrine of the singularity of God's very Person does not deny that there is a distinction between Father and Son. There indeed is a distinction, it's just not a distinction between different Beings or Persons (Person referring to a conscious rational being). God consists of one conscious rational being so He would be considered one singular divine Person. No faithful Old Testament Jew viewed God as consisting of multiple Persons. The distinction between Father and Son is between God transcendent and the man Christ Jesus (God incarnate). Since the incarnation took place and Jesus was born, the one true God came to exist in two different ways at the same time, as God and as man. Human nature is the distinction between Father and Son. Jesus is God's very Person incarnate. Not a distinction between two eternal Persons, but a distinction between God transcendent and God incarnate. I wish Trinitarians would take more time to try and understand Oneness instead of thinking they do and making cocky remarks about how Oneness don't understand Trinitarian doctrine because of their tradition. Maybe Trinitarians would understand biblical Oneness more if they weren't caught up in "tradition." If God consists of three divine Persons, then what are those Persons? We know God is a Spirit (not Spirits) according to John 4:24. Your comment regarding David Bernard talking about three Spirits and then laughing at it and then just brushing past it without dealing with it from Scripture is typical of most Trinitarian theologians that I have heard talk on the subject. How are three separate divine Persons one Spirit? Does God have three consciousnesses? How did Jesus not know the day nor the hour as in Mark 13:32? If one believes in three divine Persons that make up God, they will never see the Father when they see Jesus since Jesus is God the Father incarnate (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 3:1-5; 2 Corinthians 5:19). God the Father was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. The Father is the Root of David, while the Son is the Root and the offspring of David (God willingly limited Himself by adding human nature to His Person while not ceasing to be God outside of His incarnation in the flesh). The distinction is human nature. Until Trinitarians can show that they understand this important point, they are just wasting their time arguing against something they truly don't understand.

[@lancebach]

PSALM 2 2 WHY DO THE HEATHEN RAGE, AND THE PEOPLE IMAGINE A VAIN THING? [BENEATH THE BANNER OF “THE TRINITY” ARMED WITH THEIR MAN MADE INVOCATIONS THEY .CHALLENGE THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS. BUT, ELIJAH RETURNS AS ONE OF THE WITNESSES; AND WILL SAY VIRTUALLY THE SAME WORDS AS IN 1 KINGS 18 v 21-: 1 KINGS 18 21 AND ELIJAH CAME TO ALL THE PEOPLE, AND SAID, “HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? IF THE LORD IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM; BUT IF BAAL, FOLLOW HIM.” BUT THE PEOPLE ANSWERED HIM NOT A WORD. ON ELIJAH’S RETURN HE CHALLENGE THE PAGAN TRINITY WITH THE FOLLOWING WORDS:- [“HOW LONG WILL YOU FALTER BETWEEN TWO OPINIONS? “IF LORD JESUS IS YOU SAVIOUR” - FOLLOW HIM. BUT IF “THE TRINITY = BAAL” IS YOUR SAVIOUR FOLLOW HIM. ] COME TO JESUS DIRECT AND HE WILL RESPOND TO YOU DIRECT; THEN YOU WILL KNOW THAT THE ONENESS WITH GOD IS ONE SPIRIT THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL.. 1 CORINTHIANS 12 13 FOR IN ONE SPIRIT WE WERE ALL BAPTISED INTO ONE BODY-JEWS OR GREEKS, SLAVES OR FREE-AND ALL WERE MADE TO DRINK OF ONE SPIRIT. COLOSSIANS 3 11 HERE THERE IS NOT GREEK AND JEW, CIRCUMCISED AND UNCIRCUMCISED, BARBARIAN, SCYTHIAN, SLAVE, FREE; BUT CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL. EPHESIANS 4 5 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, GALATIANS 3 28 THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, THERE IS NEITHER SLAVE NOR FREE, THERE IS NO MALE AND FEMALE, FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. THE PEACE OF THE CHRIST BE UNTO YOU ALWAYS.

[@raygsbrelcik5578]

Simple answer; GOD Knows the heart! For believers who just do not realize they've been deceived--- GOD, "Winks at their ignorance."

[@phillipholmes7144]

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[@gilbertaviles2102]

Three separate persons that share the being of God is not biblical it is your take on what the Bible says. That’s it or find it word for word do not give me a metaphor word for word give give chapter and verse three separate persons that share the one being of God. If you can’t find it word for word than your take on the identity of God remains subjective and not factual and that’s that. We can all grow up and learn to disagree without condemning anyone to hell for not going along with my traditional protocol, grow the heck up.

[@dondutch4107]

open for debate. My understanding that i draw from the wild is that.... the "Holy Spirit" is god encompassing.. i use an analogy of a video game or simulation, god runs the simulation, so everything in the simulation is god, and that is the Holy Spirit, literally everything. "The Father" i view as the creator who is unknowable for he is outside our creation or simulation.. Stan Less writes spider man comics however spider man has no clue who Stan lee is.. Spider man has no way to leave the comic to meet the real Stan Lee.. we have no way to meet god in person, we only know him threw his creation. "The Son" the Son is God but inserted in to his creation via a playable character. Back to the video game analogy, the man who creates the video game can not enter the video game unless he creates a video game character to use inside the simulation. that would be Jesus.. and why do we call him "The Son"? in my opinion its because the simulation was built with particular patterns, so much so humans recognize them even the patterns humans themself show, the human nature ones we call "Archetypes" a very common Archetype in human nature is the Son updating the Father, which is symbolic for what Jesus was here to do and so why he may have chose that path to help us understand the purpose.. no one taught me that, this is my conclusion...

[@markforsythe1916]

So basically you guys are planing on every knee bowing to two Gods? You believe in two Saviour's? You believe that the Bible teaches that there are two Almighties?

[@karljesusstein]

He bro, no Trinitarian believes in 3 Gods. You heard this insult somewhere else and repeated it. Quote scripture instead, bro, and then we can explain it to you.

[@markforsythe1916]

@@karljesusstein Well that's the thing...there simply are no scriptures that support three co-equal but separate divine persons. God is refered to as a single divine person that fathered all creation (Isaiah 44:24), who is a Holy Spirit(John 4:24), that simultaneously came down from heaven(John 6:42) to be manifest in flesh as a true human son(Matthew 1:20-23, Luke 1:35), with a distinct human life within himself(Hebrews 2:14-17, John 5:26), that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

[@karljesusstein]

@@markforsythe1916 God bless you, brother, but you have made a common mistake here. As proof of "oneness" you quoted Isaiah 44:24, Isa 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" “Oneness” misses how the word “alone” is used. “alone” refers to the “heavens”, not “maketh”. In other words, the scripture does NOT say “the Lord who ‘alone’ maketh all things . . .", but rather the Lord who separated the heavens to be 'alone' (apart). This is obvious by the Strong’s definition of the word “alone”, which is From H909; properly separation; by implication a part of the body, branch of a tree, bar for carrying; figuratively chief of a city; especially (with prepositional prefix) as adverb, apart, only, besides: - alone, apart, bar, besides, branch, by self, of each alike, except, only, part, staff, strength. In other words, this word describes the ‘separation’ or ‘dividing’ of the heavens from the earth, as confirmed in Genesis 1. If anybody disagrees with this, they can easily see how the word is normally used in the Bible, and it makes it obvious. This is confirmed in the first dozen scriptures in Genesis, concerning the ‘dividing’ of the heavens and the earth, etc. Scripture interprets scripture. Also, “Oneness” also claims that the words “by myself” in 44:24 means one person, however the word “by” is “H854” and it normally interprets as “with”. Furthermore, the word "myself" seems to be an added word that is not in the original text. The word "with" is defined by Strong’s as: Probably from H579; properly nearness (used only as a preposition or adverb), near; hence generally with, by, at, among, etc.: - against, among, before, by, for, from, in (-to), (out) of, with. Often with another preposition prefixed. This word “by” normally interprets as “with”. Again, seeing how the word is normally used makes this clear. For example, 2 Kings 9:32 interprets it as “on my side”, stating, '“Who is on my side"? who?' Therefore, in summation, Isaiah 44:24 should probably read, "that stretcheth forth the Heavens (or parted the heavens as separate), that spreadeth abroad the earth "with" (the Heavens). (The word 'Myself' is undefined, missing in the Strong's, typical of an added word)

[@karljesusstein]

@@markforsythe1916 You quoted John 4:24 as proof of "oneness", so let's look at it: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." The point that “Oneness” brothers attempt to make is that the “a” means that “Spirit” is singular. There is another way of looking at this scripture: Notice that it does not say that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are all the SAME Spirit. However, neither does it say that they are DIFFERENT spirits. We, as believers, should all be in the same Spirit as with God. Rev. 8:1 says that “there was silence in Heaven about the space of half an hour”. So it seems as if there is unity in all of Heaven. “Oneness” doctrine has no verification here. Not that it makes much difference, but the King James says “God is ‘a’ Spirit”, but the New King James, the New American Standard Bible - Updated Version, the New American Standard Bible, the New Living Translation, the New Revised Standard Version, and the Revised Standard Version all quote the verse exactly the same, except without the ‘a’, (if you want to be technical). The NIV is slightly different, but also leaves out the ‘a’. It is obvious that God is spirit. It is also obvious that the Holy Spirit is spirit. Also, Jesus walked right through the wall where the disciples were twice in John.

[@karljesusstein]

@@markforsythe1916 Brother, you mentioned 6:42 as proof of 'oneness'[, but that scripture merely says that Jesus came down from heaven. No proof there, but on the contrary, if you keep reading to where you get to the red letters, it reads: John 6:44-46 44 No man can come to me, except the FATHER which hath SENT me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jesus said "I will raise him up", not "my Father will raise him up." This means after Jesus is risen, He will raise us up at the last day) 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the FATHER, cometh unto ME. 46 Not that any man hath seen the FATHER, save he which is OF God, HE HATH SEEN the FATHER. (Jesus is not the Father, because no man saw the Father). John 6:51 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Please notice the word "SENT", and how Jesus talks of the FATHER. You have to explain how Jesus SENT HIMSELF to explain Oneness.

[@sumthinfresh]

Snarky commenting does not establish your position. I doubt you would debate the man he is well versed and you provide no substance for a person to hear your view

[@lloydtucker5647]

Pastor Jason Crow of *Victory Tabernacle UPC* teaches his congregation that they will _"bust hell wide open"_ by not giving 10% of their income to a United Pentecostal church. KZbin Sermon references: (Avoiding the Curse - Pastor Jason Crowe & The Subtle Curse of The Non Tithe Payer - Pastor Jason Crowe). Why does he teach this? It's written in the 2017 UPC articles of faith, page 87 fourth paragraph down "Do not rob God of His portion, viz., tithes and offerings. (Read Malachi 3)"

[@lefonzopollock4345]

Being in error about tithing doesn't negate the truth of Bible salvation. So if you refuse to be born again by obeying the Doctrine of the Apostles because a born again believer erred in teaching on tithing...... I have nothing else to say. It's your soul. You'll answer to the Lord Jesus for that.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

@@lefonzopollock4345 that was preached to Jews. The gospel of salvation was revelead to Paul, why is he being omitted in the Apostolic churches?

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@@Fr4nkSanchez You are wrong sir! Paul preach the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost! The Gospel has only ONCE been delivered to the Saints/// Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS. Paul went and confirmed that what He was preaching was the same Gospel that Jesus gave the keys to Peter to unlocked on Pentecost Sunday.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

@@lefonzopollock4345 Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 1Co 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! 1Co 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. 1Co 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@@Fr4nkSanchez o....k...... The passages show Paul preached the Gospel given to him WHICH is the same Gospel given to the 11 Disciples who became the Apostles! Same Message/// Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

[@SEK.7]

There is a clear difference is spirit between how James speaks of David/pentecostals, and how David speaks about James/trinitarianism, and James just seems to be full of shade and ridicule.

[@randytaylor9897]

Why we should not use the term “Trinity”: The doctrine of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible. The statement that is explained in the bible is GodHead. The definition is that the Father is God, Jesus the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. They are co-equal and co-eternal as well as co-internal and together all as one show God's divine nature. When using the term “Trinity” it leads to arguments about God’s divine nature thus adding confusion to who he is and who we are as his creation. That is why it is always wise to stick to the written word and not rely on our own carnal understanding, because “Trinity” denies the ability to understand his image of who we are as men in his image. In other words, preach and teach “Godhead” and not “Trinity”.

[@iamhisservant5787]

Whoever denies that Jesus is the Son of God has not the Father. Oneness believe Jesus is the Father and they deny the diety of the Son and by denying the Son they deny the Father also. Amen

[@probeanalysis5740]

JAMES SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED A LINK TO THE ENTIRE INTERVEW WHICH GAVE CONTEXT. JAMES DID NOT PRPPERLY REPRESENT DAVID IN THIS REVIEW. NOT GOOD. I'M SUPRISED GIVEN JAMES CLAIM TO BE DEDICATED TO TRUTH.

[@radicalwillo4494]

James, I think you tried to insult the man of God. You can't find anywhere in the bible where someone was baptized in Father, Son or Holy Ghost. The Bible is clear, You must be baptized in Jesus name Christ. Acts 4:12. God is one and his name is one. The name of God is Jesus Christ. John 5:43 KJV.

[@robliano9497]

Wow, so according to reform theology how do u know when this God only salvation takes place? Is it faith in Jesus? Repentance? Sinners prayer? Etc.. It's not that Oneness people don't understand what your saying, it just doesn't make any sense what your saying.

[@wolverine114]

Rob liano he literally answered your question....

[@robliano9497]

@@wolverine114 11:35-12:10 is his definition. Now are you saying you don’t know WHEN this takes place? Is it when you have mental assent? Confess? Repent? Etc... let’s be clear and practical here.

[@AbrahamknewJesus]

Im sure trinitarians will say the same thing but oneness view is the even understood by the other side so conversations seem pointless. When Jesus use Jehovah name's I am, it seems that Trinitarians want to say he could do that because he has always existed as part of the Godhead which is three persons but One God. Oneness is saying, as least as i understand it, what is your definition of a person. If Jesus, the father, and the holy Spirit shares the same moral will, which i believe most Christians would concede than where is the difference. Is the differences strictly metaphysical. That is Jesus does things that the father doesn't do, metaphysically speaking. But even Jesus says he does ONLY the will of the father. So even from a metaphysical standpoint, if its so important to kept that difference. Basically Jesus is saying that he behaves and acts exactly as the father would. Thus he's the metaphysical representation of the father. Not like a senator would represent a state where he or she might sometimes acts as their state would have them. But Jesus acts exactly like the father so at that point there is no moral differences, no difference in will. Or is the point that the father, who created human beings, cannot feel pain or hunger like Jesus did?

[@lancebach]

Jude 1:4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, un-godly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our ONLY MASTER AND LORD, JESUS CHRIST. James 2:19 You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! Zechariah 14:9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE. Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE. Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Galatians 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Isaiah 45:21-22 Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous GOD AND A SAVIOUR; there is none besides me. “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 44:8 Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.” Ephesians 4:5-6 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1 Corinthians 8:4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no GOD BUT ONE.” John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. Isaiah 45:21-22 Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous GOD AND A SAVIOUR; there is none besides me. “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. BECAUSE JESUS WAS GOD AS THE SON OF MAN HE BECOME A SACRIFICE SO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS YES! OUR SAVIOUR MY FRIEND. THERE WERE 3 WITNESSES THE FATHER WAS A WITNESS THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS A WITNESS AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS THE FIRST WITNESS - HENCE HE SAID """ BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD """"" NO THAT IS NOT A TRINITY WHICH IS OF SATAN.

[@spacemanspliff7844]

These questions indicate that men think that they need to organize their beliefs SO THAT God will save them. They deny this, but that is what they are actually claiming - salvation is a product of believing the right thing, but this isn’t what the Bible teaches. John 6:45 says that knowledge of Christ comes from the Father, who teaches all of the elect and draws them to the Father. In other words, belief of the truth is the RESULT of God’s work in the life of an elect sinner, not the cause for which God grants life. This is why many people object to the truth on grounds that one is demand doctrinal perfection…some may have that position, but that accusation is really just a projection because free will/provisionist types believe that what they believe is the reason God will save them - ie they believe that their internal thought process gives God the go-ahead to forgive them. That is exactly backwards - ie unbelief.

[@godisonepublishing]

Most don't baptize in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit because it's not biblical.

[@lancebach]

OH! DEAR! THOSE STUPID DISCIPLES BAPTISING IN THE NAME OF JESUS/. DEAR! -OH DEAR. REALLY -???

[@rykellim]

Actually, BOTH Matthew 28:19 and Acts 2:38 are biblical... we cannot reject Matthew 28:19 just because we believe in the baptism in Jesus' name. We have to simply acknowledge that Matthew 28:19 is practised and obeyed in Acts 2:38.

[@godisonepublishing]

@@rykellim What I meant is (maybe I should have re phrased that statement) Acts 2:38 is the fulfillment of Matthew 28:19. And The words Father, Son, And Holy Ghost (Spirit) are not to be use in water baptism. In the name of the Father. What is the Father's name? In the name of the Son. What is the Son's name? And in the name of the Holy Ghost. What is the name of the Holy Ghost? Jesus the Christ of God. And most trinitarians lack revelation in this area of the word of God. It still remains to be seen any of the apostles using the name Father, Son and Holy Spirit in water baptism in the book of Acts. We need to get the same understanding that the apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ had or we will miss the true purpose of walking with God. The assumptions and doctrines of men will never save us but obedience to Jesus Christ and his apostles will (Matthew 10:40; Mark 16:15-16 & Hebrews 5:5-9).

[@msolav63]

@@godisonepublishing 1) Lack of revelation, really? lol. Do you think that oneness are the only ones anointed or saved by having the key? Of course not. Oneness believe they are the only ones that are save only because they speak in tongues but all Trinitarians Pentecostal and Baptist etc etc., they speaks in tongues too. You are not so specials my friend lol. In 1 Samuel 17:45 it says: 45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. But I come to you IN THE NAME OF the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. In this verse David is speaking, but does this verse suggest that the name of the Lord of hosts is David? No. David only tells us that he went with the authority or with the help of the Lord of host. The same thing happens when Jesus says in: Matthew 28: 18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Does this verse suggest that the name of Jehovah or the Father is Jesus? No. Jesus only tells us to baptize with the authority of the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. God is One Publishing, Jesus himself was the one who revealed or brought to us this revelation of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28:19. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS WAS BAPTIZED? What Jesus said previously was fulfilled and the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit WERE PRESENT. In Mark 1:10 it says: 10 And immediately, coming up from the water, HE SAW the heavens parting AND THE SPIRIT descending upon Him like a dove. 11 THEN A VOICE came from heaven, “YOU ARE MY BELOVED SON , in whom I am well pleased.” Do you notice, here it doesn't say "I AM MY BELOVED SON " Or I'M THE FATHER) Instead it says: YOU ARE MY SON. Jesus is not the FATHER, He is the Son sent by the FATHER. God Bless!

[@msolav63]

God is One Publishing Oneness are TRINITARIANS, 1) Trinitarians-believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY OF PERSONS. 2) Oneness believe in One God three modes/manifestations or TRINITY of modes. Oneness are TRINITARIANS! God Bless!

[@richford2514]

David k Benard believes in one Spirit of GOD,Never said he believes in 3 Spirits,He always quote ephesians 4:4

[@MrFontenot]

The apostles did baptize in Jesus name.

[@madmailjunk]

All the disciples should have been aware of Matthew 28:19, But ... (Acts 2:38) Peter taught baptism in Jesus name; (Acts 10:48) Peter baptized in Jesus name ; (Acts 8:12-16) Philip baptized in Jesus name; (Acts 19:5; Romans 6:3-4; 1 Cor. 1: 12-13) Paul taught baptism in Jesus name. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIGlemSBfsyMjpo

[@krisztianpatay9812]

34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached- 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. 39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen-by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

[@R.Varian]

Commentary is not well done at all.

[@ciriloabella823]

Categorically, monotheism is different from unitarianism.

[@diegovisoso4587]

Oneness, because we follow the book of acts as our guide. The letters that follow after are to those saved already in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. All those present were hearers and followers during Jesus’ ministry prior to his crucifixion. They met altogether to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed them to. Trinitarians go by isolated scriptures, such as the thief on the cross and “the Roman road”. In essence they do not understand the context thereof which unfortunately creates a shaky foundation and faulty doctrine.

[@jeffelkins3034]

You said you believe in one God but there's three persons in the godhead this is not true there is not three persons in the godhead a person has flesh and blood John 4:24 says God is a spirit why cannot everybody just obey the Bible John 3:16 is so true but it's not the Plan of Salvation Romans 10 9 and 10 is so true but it's not the complete Plan of Salvation because John 3 and 5 says except a man be born of the water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God The Jerk started in the book of Acts obey John 3:16 obey Romans 10 9 and 10 obey Acts 2:38 you put all of them together you get repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost quit arguing about it and just do it obey the word of God