Is THIS the 'Streisand Effect' in action?!!

[@andy_evo4329]

Nothing says "I've been found out" quite as well as removing the evidence!

[@iandowney4630]

😂😂

[@bardsamok9221]

What evidence 🧾? Nothing to see here 🔎🚷

[@crelgen1588]

😂😂​@@bardsamok9221

[@LegendLength]

he posted on reddit about smashing the hard drive with a hammer

[@ta3p-theannex3project84]

I am using a Roland vt-4 and a vocoder, i cant sing 😂 that good. Just to be fair.

[@scottbubb2946]

It's ironic that, when this started, people were accusing Fil of doing it to "get more views." 🤣 You clowns have not only turned this into a series of videos, but have also gotten it way more views than it would ever have gotten on its own. Thank you for not backing down on this, Fil. That is true integrity.

[@deepzepp4176]

@themidnightchoirHe’s using factual data that cannot be refuted. Stop trying to run damage control for the fraudster that is Ken Tamplin.

[@wandaburnsworth1588]

Amen!

[@nomoresaul]

They’re *still* accusing Fil of that. Even Ken himself, though not accusing Fil specifically, said very plainly that everyone talking about the accusation is just doing it for clicks and views.

[@eily_b]

@themidnightchoir BS. How many accounts did that Templin guy create or are you one of his minions? 😂

[@ronmexico1975]

@themidnightchoirOk, Ken!

[@relentlessrescue260]

“if it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth"

[@JzuHax]

This video is about being human. Your whole channel, its raison d'être, is not only about music, but about being human - not a machine. I can't thank you enough for that.

[@Enricopalazzo69]

Look at Coverdale, pretty much shot his voice, one of the all time greats, at least he somewhat owns it.

[@dillarddillard-p4e]

Well said,Fils whole channel,it’s raison d’être, Is about being a musical HUMAN. Being real.

[@jennastorm4785]

Elton John is a great example of an iconic singer who has adapted his songs to fit how his voice works now. Justin Hayward no longer tries to hold those long notes that he used to hold. I respect both of them for adapting to their changing circumstances.

[@the-ambivalent-orthographer]

yeh, but elton shilled the inj€ct!0nz

[@cliftonmcnalley8469]

Elton John relies heavily on computer enhanced performances. A few years ago he appeared on the Grammy Awards. The day before, my niece had called to confirm she had 5 tickets for the entire family to see Elton live in Atlanta. When the Grammys started, they announced that Autotune had been turned off for the evening. Everyone performing did great until.... Elton. He was .....oh let's be nice and say - not good. When his performance was over, my sus and her family were dead silent. So I said. "Oh well, don't worry, this performance assures you the Autotune will be on when you see him." I'm 65. I don't have a problem with the old farts doing this if they need to. What I see as wrong is people like Taylor Swift only existing because of autotune.

[@swinetrek]

@@cliftonmcnalley8469 Katy Perry was at the AFL Grand Final. Great spectacle but singing ...nah....that was mimed.

[@MostEasterlySteve]

@@cliftonmcnalley8469 This is rather difficult to accept I'm afraid. Please name the year of the Grammy appearance and which song(s) he performed. I am pretty familiar with the current trends in so-called live performance and of all the people you could mention, Elton John was certainly one of the least likely to use Autotune. Just because you thought he was "not good" during the Grammys that is no evidence of the use of Autotune at other times. Your statement that, "Elton John relies heavily on computer enhanced performances" is a completely baseless claim, as anyone even remotely familiar with his work will know.

[@foxpianocovers]

Yea, Elton John certainly doesn’t use Autotune or pitch correction. The guy won’t even use in-ear monitors! 😅 He’s certainly had his fair share of vocal issues, particularly with nodules back in 1986, and he fought through it with a genuine ness that the majority apparently don’t have these days… 😮

[@HaleysTusk]

Embarrassing, it’s just the hubris I can’t get over. How long did he think the charade would continue? His vocals won’t just magically repair & renew… 2024 Paul McCartney sounds nothing like 1965 Paul McCartney, yet people will continue to pay through the nose to see him perform live, off key, vocal cracks & all…. Integrity is more valuable than gold

[@acelarson1872]

Paul is a Legend at what 80 years old and sells out shows, yes vocals are not the same but who cares, the music does the talking and its 100% live vocals unlike Ken T.

[@Legslarsen.]

And, Paul sings most songs in the same key. Look at Paper Back Rider for instance. It’s still in G

[@rmoore1686]

I started to listen to Paul McCartney sing on a video and his voice sounded so awful I didn’t listen to very much of it.

[@Legslarsen.]

@@rmoore1686 It’s likely your ears have aged as well. It’s a good idea to see an audiologist, Fil would agree I bet.

[@HaleysTusk]

@@rmoore1686 part of the “Live” McCartney concert experience is you get to sing your favorite Beatles song with ten of thousands of other Beatles fans… most of these “legacy” acts rely on that crowd participation to cover their failing vocals, even if they don’t sound great, their fans are paying for that experience as well

[@Tata-ew4lz]

80 year old Paul McCartney is the epitome of honesty, and fan acceptance. His voice sounds like that of an 80 year old man, and nobody cares. They still pay to see him live.

[@HumbleTrader001]

Micky Dolenz and Eric Clapton don’t mime either.

[@kevinlentz7604]

I❤Paul since 1964

[@TheBrettWilson]

Tamplin's more famous cousin, Sammy Hagar, has his integrity intact, warts and all (he's killing it in his late 70s)

[@WeeFlyMan]

I would add Bob Dylan to that.

[@koleberdinoch926]

I just don't bother listening to 80 year old McCartney, I prefer his voice before it deteriorated. I think his recent recordings do use pitch correction but that's the nature of the business.

[@nickdanger4568]

When I go to a concert, I'm there to see the person sing and play in person. Even if they have to change to a lower octave in order to hit certain notes. If I wanted a pitch perfect and totally on unblemished performance then I would just play a studio recording. Should the artist mess up, well, that's apart of the experience of attending a live performance.

[@TheValueOfN]

A massive part of the appeal is to experience how they would have dealt with the situation because that would have be a once in a lifetime experience that can't be reproduced by technology.

[@CelticGal57]

Thanks so much for your post. I was married to a musician for over 30 (who died last year). He would wholeheartedly agree with you as do I. Blessings, Marianne 😊 5:27

[@ericzeichert511]

If I wanted the studio recording, I could get a boxed set for the price of a nosebleed seat where I need a set of theater glasses just to see the the band, much less an individual performer. I can even stream most everybodies entire catalogue on a stream service, as part of my internet package. If somebody is going to charge 65 bucks for a ticket, I darn well want to see and hear THEM.

[@anngulliver5964]

Exactly. This is what I keep on saying to people. Plus, what's wrong with singing lower octave notes? The way to think about it is that they can now sing lower in their range that they couldn’t before. High is no better than lower. Hitting lower notes can be as difficult as higher notes. I prefer deeper voices anyway.

[@josuastangl7140]

Or simply play the whole song a half or whole step lower. Many do this and that’s absolutely fine. Not a big deal, at least it’s live.

[@TheValueOfN]

Trent Reznor avoided singing "We're in This Together" at Nine Inch Nails concerts because it would have strained his voice too much. When they eventually decided to play it, they performed it in a lower key in order to preserve his vocal ability. That's the kind of thing that can be respected by the fans. If he'd have used Autotune or had mimed it, there'd have been an uproar.

[@jimmurphy6095]

Correct. Billy Joel and Elton both dropped a couple of keys during the performance I saw at Foxboro. They still sounded awesome. It's called aging gracefully

[@theyouofyesterday6254]

​@@jimmurphy6095 exactly. There's nothing wrong with lowering the key or singing the high parts down and octave. One of my favourite artists has given over a few higher parts on certain songs to a band member who handles them beautifully while the lead singer sings a lower harmony. Ageing as a singer isn't a bad thing - it's a sign of success and longevity 😊

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

Not just an uproar, but he would be letting himself and his fans down and anyone with integrity couldn't live with themselves

[@EliteRock]

Steve Winwood has never dropped the key for any of his songs live, I believe even at 74 years-old!

[@Evelyn-h5q]

@@EliteRock He is a phenomenon. Listening to Gimme some Loving ... think age 14, his brother had to smuggle him into clubs to perform at the time. Awesome.

[@glenjones6980]

It doesn't matter where you look the 'they're not sorry for doing what they did, only sorry for getting caught' mentality seems to be more prevalent day by day in all walks of life.

[@donfinstad1685]

I've noticed Rob Halford of Judas Priest cleverly adapted his mature voice to old songs. He sounds different but great in a new way. We all get older, and I am happy to give aging artists leeway.

[@russallert]

Similar to how Burton Cummings has adapted some of his vocals on old Guess Who songs, either by singing them differently (eg. not screaming or shredding like he used to), or going to a different note that works within the chord. Stevie Nicks had to do something like that after her cocaine use took out her upper register - she came up with slightly different melodies at a lower register that were still recognizable as being part of the song. Both artists still sound great in their 70s.

[@marksaleski9890]

Springsteen does the same thing. He lowers the key, adds backup vocals, etc. Beats the heck out of miming.

[@josephwest124]

As does Elton John. (Of course, he started adapting his voice back in the 1980s after having some surgery which meant he wasn't as able to hit some of the notes in a lot of his earlier hits.)

[@elvwood]

Yeah, and Rob also uses technology honestly - he artificially sustains some of the longer notes these days, but lowers the mic while it's happening so everyone can see. He's not trying to hide it at all.

[@martymartin2894]

He's using all sorts of effects and fakery now to hold long notes and screams, and some of the really high screams are piped in and he covers his mouth with his gloves.

[@workout3D]

I'm glad that you are not stopping. That fraud deserves backlash

[@bardsamok9221]

I don't think that's Fils intent whatsoever. He's just updating the saga. There's no malice.

[@bardsamok9221]

I think he just finds it amusing to update us about the sources, and update all the haters (that insulted him and called him a liar) with the developments. I certainly find it amusing 😂

[@Buckboy2024]

Fil, you are terrific!

[@chrisfromnoosa1905]

Absolutely!😀

[@DropAnchor1978]

Fil, you are always so level-headed and professional. You don't fall victim to trolling and see through the BS.

[@TotalSinging]

Ken has always been a fraud. Myself and fellow coaches have been saying this for over a decade. At least this is coming from a non-coach. If one of us did it, it would look petty and based on jealousy. Myself, Robert Lunte, Tony O'Hora, Brett Manning etc have discussed this at length for years. There's a reason none of us have every collaborated with him on anything.

[@OriginalWhiteDevil]

Nobody cares

[@HiFiWright]

​ That's an ignorant thing to say (as well as being useful in zero ways, which makes you an idiot with a big mouth) and it makes you part of the problem. It IS important, objectively important, when somebody who DOES have a following -and who VERY MUCH SO can DEFINITIVELY be referred to as an "authority" in what is known or viewed as a specific field or profession of work (at least to a given level and within the context of the type of work profession) - shares support as well as what we can conclude is the equivalent of an endorsement of the content being presented in this video and the movement of sorting out truth from various levels of deception that Fil is doing a wonderful job of bringing to the light. This is a very important and critical time for this because many people are not -and have not- had the slightest clue of just how much this has being done for a long time now. I personally have been pointing this is out among various friends and groups since the late 2000s to a smaller degree and most definitely since the mid 2010s non stop with very little luck as far as many casual music and audio fans/hobbyists giving a single care in the world as if I'm some conspiracy theorist of audio and music. The more people who are known in various areas of music & audio production that come out in support, the better that will be for the community and, also, the more chance towards accomplishing positive changes in the industry. - Now, to the vocal coach who shared that info about his and other respected vocal coaches shared opinions on the matter - Thank you for sharing that and YES we DO CARE. Don't listen to the other tagged asshole insecure douche bag. ​@@OriginalWhiteDevil

[@willardstaton]

​@@OriginalWhiteDevil obviously you do care about defending your daddy, no matter how indefensible he is...

[@pascalamadeus2558]

Tell me one thing... I've been doing his course for several years, my voice/strength/range grew and still keep growing. I learned everything just from him, doing his workouts almost everyday according to his plan. So, please, tell me... how someone who teaches so well is a fraude? And no, I'm not paid by anyone and do not have several accounts.

[@HiFiWright]

@@pascalamadeus2558 NOBODY that represents this video, Fil in this case, is claiming he is a complete fraud. That is your subjective emotional response to the evidence and conclusive facts that have been given and shown about your vocal coach. Nobody is saying he has no talent or is a terrible vocal coach or hasn't helped vocalists, including yourself, throughout his career as a vocal coach. All that is being said is that he definitively has been lip syncing to certain parts of his songs that he is claiming are live - Now, you as your own individual can form your own opinion on what that means to you and how you feel about/ respect Ken after now being presented with this conclusive factual evidence. Personally speaking, I'm sure he has helped people and there is no denying that he DOES have a good voice and has talent. It's just a bit sad and disappointing that he has let his own insecurities rule over just being honest and upfront about his current vocal range and abilities given the fact that the reality is that he IS older and is expected to have lost range. I'm sure he can still sing great, but he has allowed his self-critique and analysis of himself not being able to sound EXACTLY like he did 30+ years ago cloud his judgement and integrity for the content & performances he presents to his audience which creates unrealistic expectations and, now, has earned him quite a bit of shame and embarrassment, I'm certain. He would be respected for what he is IF he would just not fake certain elements, any elements, and instead made use of what he CURRENTLY has to work with, vocally. It's not as if it would take away from what he had already proved himself as (at an earlier time in his career). Make sense, I'm hoping? (That's genuine and not sarcasm, either)

[@randywissler9923]

Just like Steve Perry. He had whatever throat issues he had, and came back on "when you love a woman" with that real smoky kinda voice. He couldnt hit those notes anymore and didnt try fooling everyone into thinking he still could. And everyone was ok with his new voice. If you cant do it anymore, just admit it and drop your singing to a lower key or whatever, life will go on for the better. Keep up the awesome work Fil!!

[@carlr2837]

Bonnie Tyler is another.

[@Pamsmith59]

Gladys Knight is now age 80 and hitting those high notes is not what you go to see her for. It's the soul of her voice and her performance.

[@sharpestcookieinthetoolbox9742]

@@Pamsmith59 When I hear people straining for notes, I think of the quote "Stay in your range, and your voice you will sustain." I think it might be from Gladys Knight, but I'm not sure.

[@skovol007]

@@Pamsmith59 I saw her last April and she was great. She had to sit down for a ew numbers, but she brought it from start to finish.

[@datacipher]

…except that we are not seeing Tamplin was lip syncing back 30 years ago as well. He’s been lying his whole life.

[@whatsername123]

Finding another video is the most aggressively passive aggression I've seen from Fil to date. I'm here for it. 😂🥰

[@bardsamok9221]

Haha, those nutty fans and alt accounts really brought out the funny side of Fil, I like it a lot.

[@SuziQ.]

I don’t think it’s that. Fil has integrity. It seems to eat at him when people question that. Then he has to defend the evidence he already presented. I don’t think he understands troll mentality, either (he uses his time well, and would never waste it by trolling). This leads him to reply, with evidence, where a lot of people would ignore the trolls.

[@whatsername123]

@@SuziQ. Let me have my dream! I comment that he's too nice all the time. But even he has to have a breaking point. Lol And this looked/sounded a lot like that. Something in his voice and quick facial expressions.

[@whatsername123]

@@bardsamok9221 Anyone as brilliant as Fil absolutely has to have razor sharp wit . I'd really love to hear it on occasion. Like, just a single battle rap bar here and there.

[@GustavoLovato]

@@whatsername123 will this new video find stay up? Or be taken down too? We shall see!

[@marcies3789]

The greatest rock singer ever, Robert Plant, certainly doesn't try to sing like he's 22 again. You don't need to pretend Ken

[@fifteen8]

Plant sang out of key all the time and left it on the records.

[@ManchurianCounterweight]

yeah, bob knocks the keys down, sings lower notes, etc etc. He has nothing to prove.

[@goonbelly5841]

Yup, he used to scream like a banshee on those early led Zeppelin records. He certainly can't do that anymore (probably doesn't want to anyway:).

[@christopher9152]

A great rock singer, to be sure, but I can think of many better ones...Paul McCartney in his prime, Van Morrison, Harry Nilsson, Carl Wilson (Beach Boys), etc.

[@OutOnTheTiles]

Absolutely the greatest! I’ve seen him 14 times post Zeppelin and he’s great live. His music with Alison is also excellent.

[@hrizonsdebbie]

Next they're going to say their dad can beat up your dad.

[@janicefranklin5078]

😂😂😂

[@MiBackpacking]

Haha I thought the same thing 😅

[@andyharpist2938]

"..and you have a big nose !"

[@Lilah1754]

😂

[@TruthSurge]

oh yeah????

[@neilfriedman]

If he wasn't lip synching he would not have removed the videos. So Phil, you were obviously correct in your analysis

[@anguslean4058]

You don’t have to be a recording genius to watch Fil’s videos and know he is telling the truth. People who lie hate facts As a matter of fact they deny what is true it’s called Rules for Radicals a communist manifesto Communist Governments use this technic all the time When they can’t continue the lie they attack the one telling the truth.

[@stevetournay6103]

Well...he was obviously correct before that. But it certainly bolsters his stand...

[@BluDeadwaxOutpost]

Well, its the 'Ken Tamplin' Effect now. Never knew the guy....

[@Fool3SufferingFools]

Probably very few did. He’s gone from anonymity to infamy overnight.

[@31Mike]

I'd never heard of him before.

[@crunchyfrog63]

@@31Mike Me neither.

[@Coverswithchords1]

Ken who? 😂

[@ravensinger5029]

It's a name I'll know to avoid in the future.

[@31Mike]

I'd never heard of the guy before, so I don't know if he's of any musical consequence or not, but it seems like if the miming/lip syncing wasn't true, there'd be no reason to remove those videos. Removing them can almost be seen as an 'admission of guilt'.

[@eily_b]

Exactly. Never heard of him or his band...

[@iain7061]

Someone coming out and saying that, due to their age, they aren't able to do the things they did when younger, does a great service to others in the same situation. It normalises the limitations we have as we age and helps others to be open, honest and supportive. Older rockers might not rock as hard or as heavy but can still be rock animals.

[@TruthSurge]

FIl seems like a nice, intelligent and talented person. Tons of people like him on the planet. Artists who would never try to deceive anyone in order to get their $ or make themselves look more important/famous than they actually are. Then 180 degrees from Fil is.... well.... you know.

[@ThelSuperlKing]

If the Taliban falls again will you shave your beard this time?

[@Steely_Fran]

Anyone who makes it a point to always tell people how Christian they are, without being asked, immediately makes me suspicious.

[@TheValueOfN]

Exactamundo!

[@crunchyfrog63]

I've been stabbed in the back too many times by those sorts of people. It's like they view it as a license to behave as badly as they want with their Heavenly get-out-of-jail free card. I'm not saying all Christians are like this, just the ones who can't stop advertising it, in my experience.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Anyone who claims "I'm a godly man," apropos of nothing, is always 100 percent a POS.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

I immediately suspect of people who have to place their religion like it is a credential. Most of my family is Christian and none of them do that.

[@TheValueOfN]

... like Trumpists?

[@cdlelondon]

You're channel is amazing and it's just pointing out what's really going on in the industry and TBH most people understand that "live" performances are a mixture of performance and vocal. Keep up the good work 💪

[@BlackCatMargie]

I'd never heard of Ken Tamplin till all this blew up. Now, its praise the Lord and pass the popcorn. 🍿

[@bree9272]

Ken needs to stop doubling down and admit he can't sing like he used to, and apologize. If he's that much of a Christian, he should know lying and defrauding people is wrong. Also, if a powerhouse singer like Floor Jansen needs to have certain songs pitched down during live shows, Ken can surely do the same. Don't stop what you're doing Fil!!!

[@Wmeester1971]

Floor Jansen just takes care of her voice. I don't think she makes a habit of pitching songs down. Some Nightwish songs have lowered the keys, but that had other reasons like artistic reasons and not having to tune or swap the guitars on stage. I have not heard the new album, but she claimed to sing even higher notes on that one.

[@yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577]

@@Wmeester1971 Totally agree! She would not tune down because she loves the high notes so much. And she's taken such good care of her voice that she recorded the new album only 6 weeks after giving birth to her second child. Talking about powerhouse... Floor is definitely hitting some crazy high notes and navigating difficult melody lines on the new album. You might like to check it out 🙂

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

YOU are missing the point. Ken is a good Christian and as we have seen time and time again, being a “good Christian” also means that you are a massive hypocrite in some core way. 😊

[@youtuberino7859]

He just put out a video admitting to using backing tracks at that show. I'm not sure that I would consider using a track for the main chorus(lead vocal) to still be 'backing'. But at least he admitted that he used tracks I guess.

[@MrSoulauctioneer]

@@youtuberino7859 Bryan Duncan did a tour. Much more successful Christian musician. He played anywhere for free will donations. He introduced his band and back up singers as....the band in the can. He even went so far as to say, I am going to play things on my keyboard that triggers the band in the can. No bullshit, just the truth, let em fall where they may. Even with his drug relapses, his witness is much stronger than Ken's. I remember buying a cassette by some christian dude I never heard of, Ken Tamplin and Friends. Oddly most of his friends were secular musicians.

[@robynrox]

Before I saw this, I guessed it would be Ken Tamplin. It is great to see you handling everything with such maturity and not taking the bait to get into any ridiculous singing battles. I've nothing else to say, really, and hopefully we can all now move on.

[@EmmanuelGoldstein3]

Our vocal cords get thicker as we age, just as our noses get larger. The thicker cords produce lower frequencies. So our range naturally lowers as we get older. And since songs are typically written to near the top of the singer's comfortable range, this means that they'll typically have to transpose down by the time they're on the nostalgia circuit. (Although I've also seen cases where they'll transpose down on current releases). This doesn't mean that they're bad singers or have destroyed their voice or whatever, just that they're normal human beings. There's no shame in this. And it will sound much better to place the song within your comfortable range rather than struggle to keep it where it's "supposed" to be. So there certainly shouldn't be any shame for an older vocal coach to say, I can't hit the same high notes that I could when I was twenty-four. But I can show you how to adapt to your changing physiology. I'm an older guy (mid sixties), and started up with lessons again after many many years. I lamented to the teacher how frustrating it was to have lost so much range. I'd been able to comfortably belt out A4's and B4's, but now I struggled with E4's and F4's. And she just said, you really need to learn how to develop your head voice more, rather than relying on your chest. You still have the notes (and actually even more that you didn't know you had), but you'll need to use a different technique to make them sound good. That was really valuable. If Tamplin really is just pretending to still be a young man, and teaching only techniques that are appropriate for young men and women, then he's doing a great disservice to his students that might be a little older.

[@datacipher]

…except that we are not seeing Tamplin was lip syncing back 30 years ago as well. He’s been lying his whole life.

[@baronhelius4596]

Im a baritone and 57 years old. There’s some notes I just cant hit anymore. And some songs require me to change key. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. It happens to all singers as they age. A singers instrument is biological. Its not a piece of wood with strings. I will never understand why certain singers just cant come to terms with that?

[@ManchurianCounterweight]

hey, just a fews years on, our fingers stop working, and there is not faking your way out of that.

[@HumbleTrader001]

But, but, but, if you sign up for Ken’s magical course, you’ll be singing Led Zep and Rush songs in the original key in no time at all…..AS LONG AS YOU MIME THEM! LOL

[@ToddSauve]

It happens because they can see a profit in it that they otherwise could not acquire. That seems to me to be the entire problem Ken needs to deal with in himself. Is he willing to accept legitimate earnings or is he willing to lie to get more. Same with the Eagles and their miming by mainly Don Henley. If you don't tell any lies you don't have to constantly be remembering your falsehoods and trying to defend them. As Fil says, honesty is the best policy because then you don't have to remember how you got yourself in that predicament. Eventually old age will rob you of your memory and ability to keep backing and filling anyway, LOL! 🤣😂😉

[@TheBrettWilson]

Tamplin has shown traits of narcissism. It's impossible for him to admit that he's average at best or that he's responsible for his fraudulent behaviour

[@yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577]

Totally agree! So glad to see you've come to terms with that. Respect 🤘

[@donthompson2188]

I had the same problem in a different way. Taught recording technologies for 23 years at the local college. At the 20 year mark I got terribly sick and the infection went into my ears. The damage was permanent but I did not try to hide the fact that I had lost my upper range of hearing. There is this feeling that as I aged I became irrelevant. It does not feel great.

[@meditationgodsway1834]

Integrity is so rare these days!! I'm good you are a man of integrity Fil!

[@themotownboy1]

Fil - Your integrity and honesty is refreshing. One has to expect that poking the religious folks will bring on a train of denial and hatred.

[@spacewolf9585]

I think the worst part is the sheer level of Narcissism that it takes to keep digging into a deeper hole of denial, and mobilizing the people who have been drawn into “their” world for propping up their delusions and artifice. 😅 Keep on being yourself and true Fil! 🎶🎸🤘👍🤙🖖

[@anguslean4058]

Sadly today 1 out of every 6 people is a narcissist Lying and cheating and also threatening is a part of who they are.

[@TheBrettWilson]

You're so correct. That's why he doubles down and blames the haters. He's incapable of doing the right thing

[@SinfulVapor]

I saw an old 80's rock band a few years back & the singer didn't do the high notes he used to do but it was still awesome cuz it was real!!

[@Fl4ppers]

People paid to hear Sinatra when his voice got ruined by age. Its just a fact of life. Sometimes that age brings a sense of vulnerability and history that transcends the lost range - Bowie and Cash being two examples there.

[@northoftherockies]

As you said, honesty is always best in this situation. When I see musicians live I don't need them to faithfully reproduce their albums, otherwise I would just stay home and listen to the albums. I am there to watch them perform live, thus deepening the connection I feel to the artists more than I would from simply listening to their studio output.

[@IFGchannel931]

My wife and I were watching a festival and I pointed out a singer lip-syncinc. She said the vocals sound live and I explained "They record a version with their current voice and only edit out major mistakes, keeping that "live" feel. Then, they lip-sync to that track in the concert. Nobody is stupid enough to use the same studio track recorded in the 90's". _Then there's Ken_

[@hairnsap]

Truth can be sweet as honey or sour as a lime ! Thanks for keeping it real 👏👏👏

[@AK-mi6ep]

When you hear his actual voice and how rough and strained it is at the beginning of the songs (low range), you know damn well he's not singing the soaring vocal runs 2 octaves up. I actually feel kind of bad for him. He comes across as a dorky old man trying to re live his youth. Or trying to capture the "coolness" that has eluded him his whole life. Sad.

[@antsbull3370]

But then once you realise there are people paying him a lot of money and being swindled, it kind of takes away any empathy I have for him, or the people who pay to see concerts and he's just miming to a CD

[@AK-mi6ep]

@@antsbull3370 I certainly get that as well. Even at his “best” I don’t really care for his over stylized way of singing. The parrot thing is funny and true. I never knew what to call it, but that metaphor pretty much nails it.

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

If he was seeking “coolness” in his life he shouldn’t have spent his life singing in Christian rock bands.

[@totallyfrozen]

Well, to be fair, I don’t think the “coolness” as eluded him his entire life. He was considered a good rock vocalist back in the day, but that was 30 years ago.

[@AK-mi6ep]

@@totallyfrozen he’s doing the comb-over of rock singing. Lol.

[@MindAnimations]

I just fell down the rabbit hole and found your channel… you are my very first objective analysis video. Fascinating brain candy thank you for that sincerely, Namaste

[@justintime42000]

“Oh what a tangled web we weave …” Ken removing those videos is a perfect example of how trying to cover up something only proves the accusations are indeed true. Maybe he might decide to change his tune (literally), since he can’t hide it anymore.

[@albertschepis]

You're so right, of course, and it's so refreshing to hear these days. Thank you so much, Fil !

[@JulesUS8386]

Totally agree about honesty is always best!!

[@egnixv]

Thanks for your videos on this topic. I attended this show and I could tell early on that Ken was lipsyncing a majority of the time. That really muted how much I could enjoy the show. After the show a friend didn't believe me that Ken was lipsyncing, so I went online to find a video of it so I could point out a transition from live to mimicked vocals and I was surprised to see your first video on this. I had watched several of your videos over the last couple of months and I was tempted to to reach out to you, but I figured you wouldn't cover a little-known artist from the 80s. So it was great to see you provide evidence for what I already knew to be true. Unfortunately, it didn't convince my friend. 🤦‍♂ Thank you for your unbiased and honest approach to your videos.

[@roxytocin8639]

I really enjoy and appreciate your videos, Fil. I've learned a lot from you. I admire your commitment to truthfulness. Honesty and integrity are the best policy.

[@loriematthews6418]

Absolutely agree! Thank you, honesty is ALWAYS the best policy! Appreciate you Fil!🌷

[@johnhewett9483]

The fact that he has now deleted the content speaks volumes. A fraud called out and suitably embarrassed.

[@frankenfurter58]

You're a very wise man, Fil. You've always exuded honesty and integrity, which makes watching your videos even more pleasurable. People who think otherwise, are questionable, imo. Keep doing what you're doing. Don't ever change because of a handful of cranky naysayers. The majority will always continue to resonate with your light, and appreciate you.

[@GeordieAmanda]

You make a brilliant point Fil and also give Ken a "way out". How cool would it be for a vocal coach to teach how to cope with the effects of ageing or perhaps vocal injury. He missed an opportunity there, mostly because of his weapons grade narcissism.

[@chrisfromnoosa1905]

Really like your perspective on this, .........and I think your right. Had Ken made such a video, it may well have been one of his best!

[@SIXSTRING63]

Thanks for all your research and proof of these kind of things. As a guitarist and vocalist for 45+ years of live gigging I can tell you flat out that I can't sing at 61 what I could sing at 41. Not even a question about it. For people to say they can are 99% lying. There are a few exceptions where people's technique and genetic makeup have allowed them vocal longevity, but it isn't true for most of us. Especially when I came up the clubs were all smoke filled for 30 of my 45 years and that was always a throat killer. In the past 10 years we dropped our tuning a half step to help the aging vocal cords. I've watched many of Ken's videos and tried some of his tips. He should be honest like you said, I would be a lot more respectful to that than making lip synced performances to fool people into thinking that you can have killer range at any age.

[@datacipher]

…except that we are not seeing Tamplin was lip syncing back 30 years ago as well. He’s been lying his whole life.

[@Debbie76]

The only older rock singer I've seen who can still sing as well as in their prime is James Hetfield. Jon Bon Jovi knows better than to try the high notes these days, so doesn't ... and Axl Rose SHOULD know better, but doesn't and ends up hurting my ears 😕

[@CapstoneTider]

Videos on your Ken Tamplin video have thousands of views. This was a classic expose.

[@facedownchuck]

The comments on Ken’s videos are hilarious to read.

[@deepzepp4176]

@@facedownchuckYup, all fake accounts.

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

No one ever said the man can't sing. He obviously did sing the vocal back in the day, but I want live music when I got out to a Live show.

[@Phi1l]

Tamplin's been tamperin?.........couldn't resist

[@alabamaflip2053]

One big lesson a learned in college when helping a land surveyor was that science determines the land lines, not a person. And so it is with revealing lip syncing. It is truly science that proves or disproves the point. As always a great job, Fil. Respect!

[@johnhoslett6732]

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I saw Emmylou Harris a couple years ago and she was having trouble hitting some high notes. They definitely sounded off. Not sure if it was a short term or long-term issue. To her absolute credit, she acknowledged it and said she wanted to do one more song, even though it had more high notes that she couldn’t hit. She didn’t care because she really liked the song. She was so relaxed and open about it. Fantastic concert. Voice like an angel. Loved her for it. She’s a peach. 🍑

[@mycareergps]

What you are trying to teach is critical thinking skills, Fil. I don't understand why people resist believing what they can clearly see with their own eyes.

[@ManchurianCounterweight]

the cult of personality is strong in the year 2024.

[@eldesgraciado6690]

I'm the singer for a rock band. I was trying to sing while sticking my tongue out like a Komodo Dragon like Ken does and the audience threw garbage at me. Total fail.

[@TheBrettWilson]

You should try lip syncing. You'll be infamous!

[@michaelholmes9874]

I wet myself laughing when I read this

[@pinkflamingo3979]

"Honesty"... absolutely! I saw Michael McDonald during his solo tour in the mid-80s and Kenny Rogers around the same time. Their voices had dramatically changed, but seeing THEM perform live was what mattered and what we went for. Had they lip-synced it, well... WTF would be the point of that? It seems their pride has robbed them of the enduring love of their fans.

[@michaelgoyettemusic]

Ppl are missing the point….I’ve watched his videos when I was trying to learn to sing…he repeatedly said he could teach one to sing high with power and without strain and that only his way will allow you to do that AND preserve your voice. He also said that you shouldn’t trust a teacher who can’t do it himself….if he admits something is out of his range his whole course is sunk….. his course is called “How to Sing Better Than Anyone Else”….. if he doesn’t have superhuman range his course is meaningless. 😂

[@stevetournay6103]

In other words, it's based on his being a vocal Ponce de Leon. Which he apparently can't do. Very few can... Incidentally, who the deuce IS the guy anyway? Pre-vocal-coach? I'll look him up. Pretty sure before this series of videos by Fil I'd never heard of Tamplin...

[@michaelgoyettemusic]

@@stevetournay6103 he has been mocked and parodied in mainstream….go down a rabbit hole…he’s unintentionally hilarious.

[@datacipher]

Yes, meanwhile he condescendingly critiques singers like dio, Bach, Al green, etc. 😂😂😂

[@ALMELMUSIC]

All I get is videos that others have made based on your original video. Ken is on the run lol. Fil, you have facts on your side. You also have the best Pete Willis hair too

[@mccaine1]

I love the work you do Fil! Thank you so much!

[@pcooper3559]

I know a very famous singer that does this. I signed a NDA years ago but smile to myself everytime things like this appear.

[@HumbleTrader001]

There is a video where KT mimes both vocals and guitar to studio tracks. It’s called “Holdin’ On” and he tries to claim that he actually sang lead vocals and played guitar at the same time in the video, when he was really MIMING vocals and guitar at the same time, likely with multiple jump-cuts disguised by switching camera angles.

[@TheBrettWilson]

You would do well to find an actual live vid. Big task. Who can be bothered?

[@DeanBlucker]

I've never commented on anything on KZbin, but when I see true objectivity, kindness an honesty, I can't be silent. There is so much on line that is simply unwatchable and salacious...all the time. I applaud your channel!! Thank you for throwing light on an agonizing trend in music. Musicians are human, they're not drum machines or keyboards. The human voice is truly the most unique and beautiful instrument, and Ken certainly has an incredible voice and vocal range...hoping he can match your honesty and integrity. Here's to getting back to a more honest approach to music and life! Cheers!!

[@auraclise2215]

It's also totally normal to lose notes that are beyond even your natural vocal extension. Someone pointed out that he very much seems like a baritone (which most men are), yet he's constantly singing and hitting notes that are high even for tenors. It's normal to lose those over time if your voice isn't naturally fit for them, especially if you aren't using healthy technique. It'd be more interesting if he wrote and performed music for his "new" range, let's say. Idk much about rock, but I suspect not all songs are tenors screaming the highest of high notes. There's got to be songs that are lower which he could easily prioritize. But alas. Hubris.

[@TruthSurge]

him running out and deleting those is worse than leaving them up, imo. Deleting those doesn't mean everything is all great for him now. For that to happen, he'd need to delete half the vids he's ever uploaded (the cover songs and live stuff). He can leave the Barbies up and his arrogant analysis vids. Those are not the topic of this issue.

[@Skibbidyboobop]

Barbies 🤣🤣Its so true.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

Trying to hide things is a bad look.

[@plethorastudios5772]

Love your videos bro,you are awesome truthsurge

[@TruthSurge]

@@plethorastudios5772 ty

[@GeorgiaOverdrive]

He’s been miming since 1989. It’s always the same vocal track.

[@localbod]

Fil, what you said about being honest with one's fans / audience will always be received with respect and understanding and everyone will see that that singer / musician has integrity and is a genuine character. Keep up the good work. 👍😎

[@doctor_gee]

Was just going to say that you're too kind as ever, but then at 7:10 "it means that you have integrity - I'm not talking about Ken here". I know this is out of context, but that's actually spot on. This guy has no integrity at all. Complete fraud. Has been very aggressive and threatening to those trying to expose him earlier.

[@iandowney4630]

Exactly. He’s just a windbag of a bully. Yeah, and such a great christian…

[@GustavoLovato]

On September 22, after seeing your video, I went over to the original stream and saw a 4 year old comment by @Zaandy who said that Ken sounded exactly the same as in the 80s and that he must be doing something right. Ken himself answered: Thanks, Andy! Armed with the evidence you uncovered, I replied as well stating that at least in this particular case, he sounded the same because it is the same recording and even added that it was too bad, because Ken is a very good singer and it ends up tainting everything about him. I checked the next day and the video had been made private. I have a screen capture of it. He is just making things worse for himself. I agree with you, he should have just admitted everything.

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

Don't try to reason with illogical people ("Let's see you do a sing-off"). It's a waste of time. You do amazing work, and the 1-2% that are trolls are just not worth your time.

[@stevemcgowen]

One of the reasons I love Depeche Mode is they never tried to hide the fact they use a background reel at live performances. They never hid it and even had a huge reel to reel on stage in the early days. They said they play what they can live, but with complex electronic music it simply isn't possible to play everything live. As far as vocals, I have been to 40 DM concerts over 30 years and the group sounds different every concert. Even arrangements are changed up during a tour sometimes. I actually like their live performances more than studio albums.

[@katep-e66]

Four words Fil.....YOU ARE A LEGEND 🎤🤛!!!

[@MartinInBC]

One great thing about singing punk is that now when I do it as an old man, my voice sounds terrible ... which is exactly like how it sounded when I sang decades ago!

[@carolineyates4746]

Although I know you are right, to me the fact he has removed those 2 videos proves it beyond doubt

[@Redsoxfanme808]

Many have already mentioned this, I saw Billy Joel and Elton play at Foxboro as well as Billy on his own (with his band). Part of the excitement and enjoyment of attending these concerts is to hear them as they are. At one Billy Joel concert his voice was a little rough at the end and he basically let the audience sing Piano Man. It was still a magical evening.

[@pedromancenithe3rd]

Haven't we been down this road before with the Eagles !

[@stevetournay6103]

Yes (Henley v. Henley, that was!). Fil started out documenting technical details of performances. Now he's kind of turned into Batman...

[@_vixen_4504]

@@stevetournay6103What has Batman to do with this?

[@Flying_Blind]

I've been around music since I was 12 years old, now 75. I was in Tulsa during the Leon Days. I played in bands in the Midwest and owned a couple clubs with bands 6 nights a week. Spent 9 years going to Cain's Ballroom in Tulsa which almost every band played there once. Watching KZbin more than TV for the last 5 years. I've never heard of this guy until I seen Fil's Video as I'm a regular watcher.

[@GrantH]

The "let's have a sing off" comments are so bizarre (if they are indeed coming from someone in Ken's camp) because Ken has yet to prove that he can sing the full song in its entirety at all (at least in recent years).

[@CowmanUK]

He's certainly not doing himself any favours by hiding the truth, people will begin to wonder if he can sing at all. Better he just comes clean about it and move on.

[@TheBrettWilson]

"Been doin a bit of miming, Ken?" "Umm... LET'S SEE YOU SING!" Solid argument 😂

[@stevetournay6103]

Indeed he seems to have all but proven he can't...

[@datacipher]

…except that we are not seeing Tamplin was lip syncing back 30 years ago as well. He’s been lying his whole life. Meanwhile he’s condescendingly critiqued the performances of people like Bach, dio, Al green, etc

[@glamgal7106]

I've admired your objective and honest approach regarding Ken Tamplin's videos. You don't insult people; you provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Unfortunately, people who are overly dedicated prefer to put on blinders, deny the evidence--or in this case REMOVE IT--and insult because of bruised egos. I've heard this phrase that went something like, "Be honest or your lies will catch up with you." Fil, I've always admired your honesty and how you encourage being true to oneself. Yes, as your number of subscribers grow, there will also be trolls and hecklers. As far as I'm concerned, they're just making noises in the background. Many thanks for all you do, and MANY THANKS for being YOU, Fil! Cheers!

[@j.d.9010]

He got busted & now won't own it. SMH Ridiculous!

[@RichWards-Wins]

God bless you Fil. Doing excellent investigative research! You'd make an outstanding forensics lab technician!

[@lamkin9188]

I'd never even heard of him until I'd heard he was miming everything lol

[@genevadixon8426]

I really appreciate your integrity. I don’t like when artists intentionally try to deceive. I like real, raw performances, even if they’re not perfect. I’m old-school. I love that The Beatles left some mistakes in their recordings. Keep up the good work!

[@ruthsnively7248]

Truth is always vindicated!!!!!! It may take years, but the truth always wins out!!!! Thanks Fil.

[@Norm6L6GC]

Thanks Fil...We appreciate your hard work and diligence.

[@bloqk16]

Disney Corporation many years ago learned not to get sucked into the _Streisand Effect_ when something publicly surfaces that pokes fun or embarrassment onto that entertainment brand. The lesson the Disney Corp learned was from the "Air Pirate Funnies" of many decades ago, that were parodies of Disney characters in "R" rated comic books. The Disney company made a stink about it with their lawsuits, which elevated the notoriety of the Air Pirates Funnies comic books. Ever since then, when Disney parodies surfaces, protesting rebuttals from the Disney company don't happen; as Disney stays notably mute about the parody, or embarrassment, that was directed to themselves . . . all in the hope the issue would fade away into obscurity.

[@yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577]

The fact that they have disappeared says enough... Totally agree with you Fil: just be honest about what you can or can't do (anymore). I'm sure everyone will respect an artist who makes the choice to alter their songs (or not sing them anymore) and be honest about it. Keep doing your awesome job! You shutting up yourself was SO funny 💙Oh and by the way... in regards to those comments challenging you to a sing-off... Wouldn't it be a nice challenge if you made two video's of you singing live and you miming, and challenging us to find out the differences? 😂 Good chance to see if we payed attention to your lessons 😜

[@Angelicus-p5p]

Chris Liepe is a legit vocal coach, has even worked with Elizabeth at the Charismatic Voice.

[@ryanmattie974]

I wonder if he knows about all this stuff

[@davehall8584]

Fil....you are trying..to keep music REAL..you are a total hero..real singers and musicians have the utmost respect and gratitude..for your knowledge and integrity...rock on!

[@GeorgeGanesh]

All of this could have been avoided if Ken had just been honest. But I worry that if he was already lip syncing as far back as '89, this sort of behavior is just baked-in at this point. Keep up the great work Fil, the objective data you provide is a treasure!!

[@jeremychurchill933]

Fil I love your approach on this topic .

[@LindaDudgeon]

Keep up the good work,Fil. Love your videos!

[@w.patterson4413]

Oh, how I can relate! I'm not a professional by ANY means, but what I sang in my 30s and 40s kill me in my 60s. And thank you, Fil. You remind me of someone, now gone, who I greatly admired.

[@pchasco]

You are absolutely right that there was a better way for Ken to handle this. People's bodies change as they age and that probably SHOULD be a topic to cover in a vocal course. He missed an opportunity to engage with his community in a positive and productive way. I get that he may be embarrassed to put on an imperfect vocal performance. I can only imagine that if you are a widely known vocal coach the bar for you is set pretty high. But for my part, I would far rather have an imperfect performer who can make the most of what he has be my instructor, rather than someone who is always perfect, setting an impossible example that I could never replicate. The imperfect performer can teach me something about how to maximize an imperfect instrument because he does so himself.

[@dalesnyder4831]

Thank you for your objective analysis. I pay for a concert ticket to hear artists genuinely perform. I agree with the comments about adapting your songs to your age or other changes. Most people who like genuine music like genuine artists and respect their ability to adapt creatively throughout their career.

[@dwaynewladyka577]

Great points Fil. There was a recent video of Don Henley and The Eagles performing The Boys Of Summer. You were brought up in the comment sections about Don Henley miming. People didn't agree with you. I saw the video, and in one part of it Don's voice sounds rough, then it sounds smooth, like it's a recording. Cheers, Fil! ✌️

[@SuziQ.]

That was another instance of the same recording being used in several different live performances (of Desperado), the difference being that the Eagles are well known, and Tamplin is a no-name. Don Henley has wisely said nothing. I wonder if he’ll ever address it, and apologize?

[@dwaynewladyka577]

@@SuziQ. Good question.

[@thrashingpanic]

I COMPLETELY fail to understand how any performer can think that the people who come to a concert want a "perfect", recording like, performance of the songs. It's not about that. It's about the energy. About the mood. About being together. It's like coffee - I don't need the most delicious coffee in the world if I'm drinking it with someone I enjoy drinking coffee with and talking to. I can drink the most delicious coffee in the world alone at home (no, I can't - I don't know which one it is, but I'm sure it's too expensive for me ;) )