Is Zionism in Crisis? A Follow-Up Debate with Peter Beinart and Alan Dershowitz

Following their impassioned fall 2012 conversation, Peter Beinart of the Daily Beast reengages with famed jurist Alan Dershowitz over issues raised in Beinart's book, The Crisis of Zionism. Moderated by Ethan Bronner, former Jerusalem bureau chief for the New York Times.

[@chroniclesofjay]

Great discussion - Respect for Beinart!

[@mkadi70]

Respect to Peter Beinart

[@rareword]

Why not every nation of the world withdraw behind its 2500 B.C. borders ?

[@lolabolibekova864]

Ur so stupid

[@LolLol-ok4lr]

enlightened response

[@tomoalla]

Because no country has this rich history besides China and Israel 🤷‍♂️

[@LolLol-ok4lr]

@@tomoalla Persian Empire when ? Greek empire when? are we going to restore the ottoman empire too ? lol Israel didn't exist except for less than 80 years now and the old Israel wasn't anything like today demographically or even in terms of borders

[@tomoalla]

@@LolLol-ok4lrMan you can't ignore Jews and Israel connection. Jews lived on this land long before Jesus or Muahmmed were born. They worshipped their god and live by their laws, fought and died over this land. Thus, leaving their mark on this land. Jews countinued to live in Israel since ever. Only other civilization which as connection both culturally and religiously to their roots is China. Not it the same form today, but they documented their history in the books. Greece has nothing to do with Greek empire. Not by culture or religion. Same goes for Persian Empire, whose people got slaughtered by Arab Empire and converted their religion by force. Even Roman empire if you'd like to add into discussion.

[@uprising8084]

Someone called Dershowitz an honest liberal. That's funny. You know he's a lawyer right?

[@blacky93able]

Sure, so by default it should be a "killer pitbull"!!!!

[@ajarnwordsmith628]

You miss the point: the reason to be a lawyer is anything, anyone and/or anywhere in the defence of his client's case even if the lawyer's ideology can or can't be discerned.

[@sinatra222]

"Honest Abe" Lincoln was a lawyer too.

[@orientationP]

Such a great debate! Delighted to watch this debate

[@motorhead6763]

My cousins Yemenite Jews....not from Europe .We were there long before Christianity or Islam. Quran and Christian bibles say this as well as secular history.

[@tigersaur_]

Fascinating to watch this in December 2023

[@librazone]

It deserves to be in crisis after all the trouble it has caused during the past 100 years.

[@SenseiEli]

+librazone The media has a crisis Jews are flourishing and will continue to kind loving and smiling to the world!

[@valessiva]

smiling while building yet again 566 new illegal houses in the forbidden territories belonging to the palestinians.....

[@jchan9761]

True

[@kalijasin]

Beinart had facts and objectivity. Dershowitz however, was extremely biased and kept trying to change the narrative.

[@lizgichora6472]

Quite interesting and a lot to consider. Thank you very much.

[@blacky93able]

Excellent debate, on both sides, but I identify more with Peter Beinart!!!

[@GeoffNelson]

It needs to be said that Prof Dershowitz talked over the moderator and his opponent too much. He effectively filibustered.

[@ajarnwordsmith628]

Evidently, you are unaware that Jew-on-Jew dialogue has, as its reason to be, agreed interruptions, agreed counter-interruptions and then some. Out of all this word salad will come, G-d willing/inshallah, peace for all peoples. That's what it's been like since Abraham, Issac & Joseph...

[@patrick4662]

He’s never NOT done that. Classic lawyer.

[@georgerichards7539]

Why did the guy say "this isn't a crowd that needs to hear this" when talking about the 1967 war?

[@tommclarty17]

The USS Liberty.

[@sueme1954]

@@tommclarty17 The Pueblo

[@JoseAngelFlores]

I think that discussion belongs in a different debate. This debate was about Beinart's book.

[@jimmy-rm3cl]

they killed Americans on purpose and swept it under the rug. it's disgusting.

[@mydogsbutler]

If you look at the fall of the Ottoman empire, which Israel also used to be part of, pretty much every country that was created out of it pushed out minorities in an assortment of irredentist conflicts until they mostly ethnically homogenized their countries. From that perspective Israel's national building methods are quite normal. Instant global communication has just made it easier to watch today whereas any atrocities committed in other states during their national building conflicts happened at a time we have mostly just written records (i.e. bad optics) There is one important distinction though. Israel's nation building has been in an era where things have dramatically changed from human rights perspective. While most other countries are moving towards modern liberal values Israel is going in the opposite direction of ethno-nationalism much like countries like Russia and Hungary. Dershowitz acts like a liberal when it comes to protecting his own rights in America but then transforms into a Putin/Orban type nationalist when it comes to Israel. A state defined by ethnicity is the antithesis of core liberal values. Liberal values are about human rights which by definition requires all citizens are equal before the law. This doesn't mean Israel can't be a majority Jewish state but like all states it should provide equal rights to its citizens not special rights to some of them. If either of these two men lived in a state defined by ethnicity where they were treated as second class citizens, they would call it out as antisemitism/racism. Unfortunately when it comes to minorities in Israel they fool themselves by putting on their ideological bear goggles.

[@greenplanet7767]

and india too

[@sinatra222]

False

[@mydogsbutler]

@@sinatra222 Troll.

[@HusseinDoha]

@@mydogsbutlerNailed it. Dershowitz claims Israel gets a wrath bigger than China-Tibet, Russia-Chechnya, Kurds… etc. But all these countries claim a land a sovereign territory, and don’t deny those who live in it citizenship. Even after Russia annexed Crimea, they offered the residents Russian citizenship. Israel by contrast, wants the land (West Bank), and doesn’t want the people they rule over to be citizens, instead governing them by harsh martial law, while settlers who moved into the West Bank enjoy Israeli civil laws. Even Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem which Israel officially annexed in 1980, are denied citizenship. That happens because it’s obsessed about maintaining Jewish majority of citizens. Damn human rights, and who cares if millions of Palestinians are suffering under these conditions, we will rule them but they don’t get to be citizens. That’s outrageous!

[@tigersaur_]

1:00:04 Fascinating to watch this in December 2023

[@cosmicbuddhi8029]

Peter Beinart - what a smart guy. I hope Jeremy Corbyn puts him on the pay-roll as his senior adviser on Jewish Affairs!

[@JohnLemieux]

"Democracy may be a barrier to peace" Who's peace?

[@peterhoyer9575]

Hmmmm, very interesting!

[@hungwilliam44]

i will never, ever listen to alan dershowitz

[@jake105]

hungwilliam Again?

[@niccoarcadia4179]

+Nick Stenson It did my heart good to see Dershowitz be branded a fraud and a liar! Toss in criminal as well! to undermine others using his Harvard position is despicable. I have no idea how he manages to keep his job! he must have out maneuvered his Dean.

[@Basim_Daoud]

How come no Palestinians on this panel? How come they do not talk about the Palestinians?

[@youtubedeletestomanyaccoun4247]

Well, of course Palestinians are the other half of the equation. Tho if you are suggesting that every time jews want to speak within themselves about the land and the state and regime, they have to do that and should do it. What they need a Palestinian to hold their hand for every conversation about the land? So if I want to talk about it with my mom I have to wait till there’s a Palestinian present and only then I can speak? They talk about Palestinians but just like Palestinians they dont need Palestinians to be there for every single conversation

[@mahdibarzegar4595]

Alan Dershowitz lies so frequently, you wanna throw up.

[@steven8551]

Antonio, I think you missed the context of what Dershowitz is talking about. I might be missing it, but it appears that Dershowitz is arguing about the hatred directed at Israel as evidenced by the singling out of Israel, not that Hawkins is destroying Israel.

[@BestonAb]

Same old Dershowitz, spouting his same old spurious and ad hominem arguments.

[@amster2007dam]

Mr. Dershowitz is THE definition of a hypocrite!!!

[@ajarnwordsmith628]

You must be THE definition of someone who throws out a word without giving chapter & verse on how it applies.

[@nmalik50]

What about focusing on a state that is already Nuclear in which case

[@ArizonaRed]

While they are allowing them a people hood would they allow them access to their own land and to remain in their homes? Is Derkowitz okay with them keeping their flag?

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

the Dershowitz plan...lol

[@chaplinlondon505]

Dorshewits is zionist and liar he want no peace

[@sweetcell8767]

I was hoping we’d here Norman ask a question?!

[@hajiahasana6252]

Peter beinart you really a true jews man with a good hart you are not a jew politician keep on doing good work god bless you

[@lifewkj9640]

Dershowitz is screaming like he's an expert. If Norman Finklestein walked on that stage dershowitz would run

[@tomsperduti2967]

Lol indeed

[@elachechino]

Come on hahaha Dershowitz won the debate against Finkelstein even academically (google it) and destroyed Chomsky beautifully. Beinart minimizes Palestinians' unwillingness to commit for peace. PLO, founded in 1964, tells you everything about the conflict. It's not about the checkpoints, wall, east Jerusalem, it's about Israel. Unless schools get intervened there, there will never be peace. Kids indoctrination goes to another level. Free Palestine for them means destruction of Israel. Let's not even talk about Mufti Husseini friend of Hitler and leader of the Palestinians during WW2.

[@elachechino]

Watch on KZbin. Norman Finkelstein BDS is a cult movement.

[@jeangophile]

Speaking to the point (17:00) of what is the essence of Judaism:, it's quite simple: Love your fellow as your self (Leviticus 19:18) as Rabbi Akiva said.

[@chroniclesofjay]

Jews are perhaps the most amazing people who have suffered the most for their beliefs throughout known history. They have excelled at everything they have undertaken. I wish the narrative of Beinart would resonate more throughout the world and the muslims and jews live in harmony as they have for the last 1500 years....

[@lolugothackedful]

Why is the Israeli case always soi badly presented not only by Dershowitz but by everyone else

[@perjetesi2811]

What was with the shouting at 1:19:40? Anyone has a clue?

[@beebee242]

She said “Alan stop” when Dershowitz was interrupting Beinhart.

[@tomzeman5964]

Genesis the origin of Judaism has been replaced by darwinism, many young Jews have forsaken their faith convert to Hinduism, Krishna, liberal theology & AI.

[@richardgietzen4591]

Hello : interesting lecture I have finished reading ( Against our better judgement) by (Allison Weir) If what is stated in this book is correct. Well ****** quite enlightening now a lot of what has happened since 1917 make sense As an American and like most American my ancestors are immigrants. We came seeking religious ,cultural, political freedom and a level of prosperity. In exchange for this we swear our loyalty to America America lost 200,000 solders in ww1 And it appears that a small group advocated that involvement to serve there own agenda and not the best interest of there fellow Americans. Looking forward to others reading this book and the discussion it will generate

[@LarsRosager]

1:21:00 gets pretty intense. Bravo, Beinart.

[@RonPaulKicksAss]

#freepalestine

[@HeyGuy4321]

RonPaulKicksAss I want one!!!!! Please!!!!

[@jlawrence6723]

why are daniel swindell's nutty comments/replies ALWAYS displayed on thread (instead of other replies that correct him)?

[@SikanderG]

What's Becker doing hosting this debate lol.

[@rareword]

Would it be a bad idea to make the whole planet a single country and teach our children to love their neighbor ?

[@tommclarty17]

Yes.

[@gamerknown]

That was Jeffrey Epstein's goal

[@ajarnwordsmith628]

I am going to invent a fully globalised planet: it's called...er...oops...Eutopia. Why hasn't this been imagined before?

[@maor15963]

Very interesting talk though most of the points they made has been talked immensely, ultimately those who will make the decision will not be Jews in the diaspora but Israelis, including the Arabs among them.

[@KhalidDahye]

"IF the united states of America told Israel that the relationship b/w the two countries wouldn't persist if Israel didn't support 67 parameters.Israel will fall". that's the most honest remarkable statements i have ever heard. Thanks peter and by the way Alan Dershowitz throughout his whole speech was making no sense. the guy is literally ignorant despite his professor claim.

[@smytheeboi]

zaxx19 1967 borders are significant... but only if you mention International Law. Of course, if you put aside International Law, as Israel has, your borders are whatever you can get away with. Prior to June 1967 Israel was within the legal borders stipulated in the 1947 UN partition, but after the Six Day War they occupied vast amounts of new territory. Some territory was returned, but to this day they occupy territory beyond their Internationally recognized borders.

[@SK-fp8us]

Beinart is a more honest and humanistic individual than Dershowits....

[@JoseAngelFlores]

There are thousands of "debates" demanding Israel to let go of Judea and Samaria, none of these debates ever seem to discuss how important those lands are for Jewish identify, for their history, their traditions and beliefs.

[@jchan9761]

Bizarre justification for forced displacement of families.

[@icpykk]

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TRULY JEWISH STATE.

[@aaronfriedman8201]

Dershowitz Children have intermarried. Hence, he is defending perhaps unconsciously his family.

[@bibihabbshi6384]

Lol

[@JL_Lux]

“Well he didn’t turn it down” 😂😂 roasted 🔥🔥 31:00

[@juancpgo]

Yes 😂. At that very moment, Alan admits that Netanyahu fails in not only having neglected that opportunity, but also not taking negotiation initiative. And you realize that Alan actually agrees a lot with Peter (on Israel's faults), but he can't help as a (brilliant) lawyer to defend Israel above anything else. He briefly acknowledges Israel's mistakes, but then quickly returns to his defense.

[@riokriok2863]

how can you build just world // when they go to you land and build what ever they wont //and the answer is god give it to me /// what turducken justice you can have///

[@riazomar4807]

Biggest BS. Where are the Palestinians voice here

[@danielswindell125]

Beinart whole moral justification rests on the premise that Ehud Barak's offer to Yasser Arafat was so unfair, that it did not even constitute an actual offer. Or, that Ehud Barak's offer was not an offer, and therefore Arafat had the moral obligation to reject it. In, "Son of Hamas" a memoir by a former Hamas memoir, Yousef writes the even the Palestinians were shocked by how generous the offer was, and couldn't believe it. But, Arafat had already planned to reject it no matter what the offer was. So, in order for Beinart to justify him argument, he has to argue that Israel has never ("truly") offered a State to the Palestinians. So, in effect, Beinart spends his time explaining to people that Israel made up a propaganda lie that it offered Palestinian's a State to look good, but never really did it. Because if Beinart admits the offer was real, then his whole premise of denying Palestinians rights is false. The tragedy is the reality, which is that the offer was not only real, it was generous, and a risk to the safety of Israel, because if the Palestinians had a State, that could stockpile arms, for another war. So, Beinart switches reality, the Israeli's did not offer a State, and the Palestinians accepted a State with some swaps. So, even though Beinart spends all his time teaching that Israel is a liar, we can know that he loves Israel because he "has an Israeli flag." Hey, Beinart, tell you what, get of the flag, and start teaching people Barak offered a State.

[@ismaelquigley4900]

This is hilariously inaccurate. The offer made by Israel stipulated that the Palestinians weren't allowed to have a standing army or make any alliances without Israel's approval, and many other security guarantees in Israel's favour. Also, the general response from Palestinians was rightfully negative, regardless of what a Palestinian informant says.

[@pure_the0ry]

The writer of that book did not attend the talks. Shlomo Ben-Ami, Barak’s own foreign minister, did. He said that if he were a Palestinian, he would’ve rejected the offer too. The reasons for this are obvious: 1) the West Bank would have discontiguous borders 2) Israel would have kept military control over the borders including the one with Jordan, while palestinians were offered police and no military 3) Jerusalem and the noble sanctuary were not even addressed and 4) the right of return was rejected outright by the Israelis despite Arafat’s commitment to compromising on it. Try again.

[@pure_the0ry]

And this only pertains to camp David 2000. The Clinton parameters and the eventual taba agreements were considerable improvements but still insufficient, and Barak canceled those talks in anticipation of the election, which he then lost to Sharon who never reopened talks.

[@christophergittings1837]

There is reasons for anti semetism Israelis inhumane treatment towards the palestinian people for one.

[@jlawrence6723]

this debate is about peace process -- not "zionism in crisis."

[@theloksh]

To Josh Lowe an Australian righteous pursuing justice, a reminder about the land that :He and his family live on "in November 1828 Arthur declared martial law, giving soldiers the right to shoot on sight any Aboriginal in the Settled Districts...." "Of those removed from Tasmania, the last to die was Truganini, in 1876. The near-destruction of Tasmania's Aboriginal population has been described as an act of genocide by historians including Robert Hughes, James Boyce, Lyndall Ryan and Tom Lawson....." "Boyce has claimed that the April 1828 "Proclamation Separating the Aborigines from the White Inhabitants" sanctioned force against Aboriginals "for no other reason than that they were Aboriginal" and described the decision to remove all Tasmanian Aborigines after 1832- by which time they had given up their fight against white colonists-as an extreme policy position. He concluded: "The colonial government from 1832 to 1838 ethnically cleansed the western half of Van Diemen's Land and then callously left the exiled people to their fate."

[@JBGodzilla]

What is Australian? Is that like Palestinian or Canadian? Something recently invented? The Jewish nation has been around for at least 3000 years. These newly invented nationalities were invented primarily for the white settlers. The only ancient "Australians" are the Abos. When were they allowed to vote?

[@JBGodzilla]

Wrong! Israel has been around 3200 years, only occupied for half that time. Just like Abo land has been occupied by English, Scots, Irish and others for over 240.

[@JBGodzilla]

Jews are a nation, given a land by God.

[@JBGodzilla]

Jews meet the defniition of nation perfectly. Common language (Hebrew); common legal system (torah/talmud); common culture ("judaism"); and common homeland (Eretz Yisrael). Of course , having been forced to live on other people's lands, why wouldn't others want to kill us? We're living on other people's homelands. I think the Arabs living on Jewish soil shouldn't be there either.

[@JBGodzilla]

Except, thank God, since we have theromonuclear, chemical and biological weapons capable of wiping out where you are, you are welcome to try again if you dare.

[@steven8551]

Sorry--no one kicks anyone's butt. These are two smart men trying to find solutions to complex problems.

[@funchannel1526]

The old guy is deliberately choosing to ignore facts.

[@niccoarcadia4179]

Bottom line of every freethinker on earth: I too believe in a Jewish homeland, but not by killing the indigenous inhabitants to get it!

[@niccoarcadia4179]

דין פרטוש Most views are a spinoff of religion.The Words of priest written down 2300 years ago. It wasn't a deed to the ranch. It was a holy book. The words of a people who disappeared and/or died off 1900 years ago. I've yet to see any concrete evidence that the land was anything else other then an Arab nomadic land and a trade route with a few towns, which were little more than watering ponds for horses and camels. During the 1300s onwards, after the last crusades there was little that remained of any Jews in the area. Some Jews did live there under Palestinian rule but they were hardly what could be called modern Jews. Regardless of how many people were there, or what they used the land for, 'it was not considered "empty" as some Jews would like to push for. Fairness today? How about a Knesset that reflects the 60% non-white Jewish peoples and is balanced to that regard? Why not take away immigration restrictions against Africans who want to live there? There's lots of animosity between Jews themselves over who should be in charge. I know it was the Euro-Jew who built it up over the last half century but that doesn't matter. What happened in S. Africa and will happen there soon enough.

[@Din_Partouche]

You are such an ignorant person. the correct word is dumb actually. Palestinian rule? what rule is the? the onlly people who ruled this place in the last centuries are the turkish and than the brits. Jordan ruled the west bank and gave it up to israel as israel offered to give it back and Jordan refused. How dare you compare apartheid to Israel? Have you been here? Palestinian, who didn't help a single bit to built the jewish country, study in the best universities, building businesses, creating familiy, live muslim life. They can do what ever they want. No one have ever executed an Israeli Palestinian. Opposed to the apartheid. Why won't you open you're just a little bit and come over here to israel ecause right now you're just putting out a bunch of crap from who knows what resources. There has been a small group of Jews in here befor the 19th century that's right. There has also been a small group of arabs. not Palestininas. Do you know what Palestininas are? Do you know that they all have roots in other different arab countries in the middle east? You are just sitting down in your chair, letting yourself judge with no sense. Why won't you guys start judging Britain, and USA, and France, and what not other country who tried to rule the world befor you judge us.

[@irondiet6831]

The murder of innocent people cannot be justified by your myopic statement. Any attempts at marginalizing anyone that speaks against Jewish oppression is not antisemitic. Arabs are also semitic. Enjoy your promise land +‫דין פרטוש‬‎

[@boogiecakes5467]

once a Woody Allen look alike, always a Woody Allen look alike

[@libertyloveslife5602]

Great talk

[@steven8551]

Hi, While you don't think he should represent Israel, what do you think of the content of Dershowitz' advocacy for Israel? Thanks.

[@benschneidercom]

Mr Beinart seems unprepared for this level of debate.

[@8301TheJMan]

God on certain things i completely agree wit Alan, like the fact that he was a-okay with Jews assimilating into other cultures, and the moderator was like - "what?!" you mean ur okay with allowing Jews to mingle and then eventually merry other non-Jews!!! i actually was kinda baffled at how distressed the moderator was at the very thot of such an occurrence. But that being said, his entire spiel about how people hate Israel by supporting Palestine is total an complete bullshit.

[@soteriology1012]

@ 20:50 Actually in JFK's president's cabinet that was the PROBLEM. Lyndon Johnson wanted JFK's job & he got it. So did a lot of people in the CIA & they got it later. There was not a lot of agreement in JFK's cabinet which was a tragedy.

[@soteriology1012]

@ 17:00 No it was not simply animal sacrifices. It was a combination of a male Hebrew bloodline particularly the priesthood, a devotion to the God Yahweh & His Law & His prophets, & animal sacrifices done in a specific manner that pointed to the coming Messiah. The Samaritans had animal sacrifices. The pagans had animal sacrifices. Molech & Baal & Ashteroth & Remphan & Golden bull worship had animal sacrifices. Satanism had animal sacrifices.

[@fonnestor6509]

Alan Dershowitz lost the debate. Is nice to see another intelligent person challenge him with facts.Nice debate

[@adamt606]

Shame on you Israel.. you even have the guts to defend what you doing at the Al Aqsa masjied.. have a heart guys ..

[@vincentrusso4332]

Alan is wrong, an occupier can never use defensive actions as a rationale..

[@TedATL1]

How many posts have you left re 600,000 Arabs killed by other Arabs in Syria? 200,000 in Yemen? Oh, 10,000 Arabs killed by Jews is what REALLY matters. Hypocrite. Anti-semite.

[@mahmoudherbawi9774]

the old guy is a racist liar the younger guy is a rational guy , they should not have the same stand to debate on

[@riokriok2863]

but he mention many times Jewish values //i like that ////

[@markduran8295]

What would be wrong with a one state solution where the Palestinians can become Israeli citizens?

[@dante8674]

Can you imagine a group like Hamas being elected in a one state solution. It could lead to a second holocaust.

[@jchan9761]

Would destroy the dream of an ethnostate based on dominance of one group.

[@jchan9761]

@@dante8674 you talk as if there wouldn’t be guarantees put in place in the constitution

[@davidnguyen7891]

52:18 Can’t believe he said democracy is a barrier to peace. You sir are the barrier to peace. Democracy is not the barrier to peace. Conservatism and right-wing ideology is the barrier to peace. Right-wing fascistic propaganda is a barrier to peace. An uneducated populace is a barrier to peace. Democracy did not lead to the settlements in the West Bank. It was the wright wing government that funded and supported the settlements in the West Bank that led to the settlements in the West Bank

[@bobo1959er]

Make America the 110th

[@ThePhilosorpheus]

When I saw that there were more negative than positive votes for this video I assumed two things: first, comments are enabled. Second, most of the people commenting here did NOT watch the video, giving it thumbs down as a knee jerk response to the word "zionism" in its title. Turns out that as I read the comments here, my suspicion was proven right. You see, when a video is about a fair discussion about the role of Israel in the region but the person who posts it is biased in favor of the palestinian side exclusively, comments are disabled. Not the case here, that´s why I assumed what I assumed. And I was right.

[@ThePhilosorpheus]

Just saying i´m wrong doesnt prove anything.

[@ThePhilosorpheus]

Not really. There´s also christians and muslim minorities in israel, they have representation in the government and the same rights as everybody else. This wouldnt happen in nazi germany. Anyone of any race who converts to judaism can become an israeli citizen under the "law of return", so there´s also no belief in racial superiority. If for you any form of nationalism can be compared to the nazis I dont know what kind of dreamworld you live in but you should wake up. France is also for French, America for Americans, etc.

[@TitusRockjaw]

ThePhilosorpheus HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Hasbara!! Fuck! and you're not even good at it!! Filthy lying scumbag!!

[@TitusRockjaw]

***** Not our Jews, our Jews HATE Zionism and they oppose israel. Rephrase your propaganda to read "zionists throughout the world come to israel and pretend to be Jews" - this is a little more accurate.

[@TitusRockjaw]

***** Then quote your source and put the quote in quotation marks you imbecile! My comment stands.

[@davidnguyen7891]

10 years later and Dershowitz proves how wrong he is about the Palestine-Israel conflict. 1:02:42 "The Palestinians do not pose a threat to Israel." Dershowitz was wrong and Beinart was right. Look what happened on October 7th 2023. If you ignore illegal and inhumane military occupation that Israel is doing to the Palestinians, then eventually there will be resistance and backlash. 1:08:19 Dershowitz is wrong here again "People dont like Israel because of what Israel is, not because of what Israel does." Beinart is correct in that the majority of the world does not like Israel because of what they do to the Palestinians, not because they just inherently hate Israel. Yes, there are some anti-semites out there that dont like Israel, but the majority of people who dont like Israel because of their illegal and inhumane military occupation of the Palestinian people

[@brucekugler5164]

Is the moderator a moderator between them, or joining in leaning towards Beinart ?

[@spaceman6076]

Bruce Kugler I noticed that too, shame on him

[@danielmoshejohnson]

Shalom (FURTHERMORE) Shalom Aleichem The importance of history is essential and important in the restoration and continuity of revival and renewal of a losted kingdom. The capture of Judea and Israel is a reality that has created the entire discussion with this term. Palestina is based in a major illegal land grab misconception, that no one in this audience wants to address directly...... When one avoids a reality, choosing to entertain illusions, then we have to question the code initiative. The UN, Allied Forces namely Great Britain, error ed greatly in the incorrect distribution of land that was not there's to divided and "divy" up legally, but the gesture was righteous. This entire Middle East composition is a complete error..... Although Great Britain took the possession from the Turks, the righteous thing was to assist to recreate Judea close to its entirety. The proper moves would have been to hand Israel over to its historical realities, if they didn't know such realities, then the committees of the Allied Powers namely the British government, should have contacted the Holy See, whose predecessors, the Roman Empire, holders of all the deeds and titles. To utter the term "palestina" as if it's a human being goes beyond the depth of ignorance, which bombards Judea's reality as a true kingdom,and promoted the hatred of a world bent on hereditary Jewish hatred for no reason. Arab as well as African suffering is a reality, but in a UK backed Saudi Empirical creation, there should be room for the Arabs dissidents in old Judea, in Saudi or any other UK assisted Arab created state! If a Kingdom exist, an that Kingdom is conquered and renamed illegally, it does not mean that the original kingdom must accept eternal defeat and accept a thief's name representing its Kingdom. So it is with the area in question, and it puzzles me, that the so called world elite, former PM especially, a Jew, would dare utter a Roman created term that did not or was never intended to relate to Arabs, it was a land grab title that not even the Ottoman Turks 400 year illegal occupation, would not acknowledge, why should we. JUDAH HAS BEEN CAPTURED!

[@josephfriedman1305]

Well said!!

[@danielmoshejohnson]

@Issac BROTT Mah needs mah

[@danielmoshejohnson]

@Issac BROTT How can I help you....

[@danielmoshejohnson]

@Issac BROTT Baruch HaShem As The G-d of Israel erases all idols.

[@KtovetMishnit]

Dershowitz is a master.

[@niccoarcadia4179]

+deborah a Which type? Master Criminal or Liar?

[@bamsemann123]

+Follow The Sun both

[@niccoarcadia4179]

kris hall That makes him an all around master asshole! His so-called Harvard Job is a laugh. He hasn't been fired only because the school caters to his kind, right or wrong. I wonder if Harvard knows the damage being done to the school's reputation?

[@stevec2378]

He's disgusting creep and shitty debater

[@niccoarcadia4179]

Aaron Sochaczewski He's only a leftist when it comes to his second country, USA, he's a hard line righty in Israel

[@victoke]

Beinart recently stated he is for a one state called Israel-Palestine..

[@naamajacoby5592]

Can someone would like to explain: How state that never exist can be occupied?

[@alexlevin7939]

MR finkelstein found it, but you know what they did to him

[@ariesfirst]

Once the Palestinians will embrace reality and will agree to receive all they CAN as opposed to all which they WANT there will be peace.

[@cpopiandm]

If Palestinians will accept the original crime and the ongoing crime, wonderful, if the Palestinians will accept the pittance Israel will "give". Then will there be "peace"?

[@nmalik50]

Is this dude really a lawyer he rubbishes the findings of a commissions and demands his view of reality be accepted

[@bustaknutt7729]

if not it will be... the Real Israelites want their land back!!!

[@devikotv6827]

Interesting discussion. However, the issue is too complex for either one of them to be absolutely right.

[@paulnevard9047]

Well ain't this relevant now..

[@roninmack]

why don't jews just take a piece of land in one of the american states and leave palestine .. they just want a place of refuge in distress , america doesn't seem to cause any distress for the jews ..

[@nmalik50]

I have no commitment to Saudi Arabia where Islam has its root and rightly so but also because Saudi do not represent my values as a democrat as anti racist and somebody who believes in equality of sexes . Should the Jews feel the same about Israel?

[@nmalik50]

Two Jews are sorting out the peace with Palestinians magnanimous as they both may be towards the Palestinians they both agree in a true colonial tradition the colonized have no seat at the table where their future is discussed.

[@cthomas9874]

I disagree -

[@matejfele9971]

I'll take them seriously when they actually move to Israel.

[@motorhead6763]

Holy Qur'an says in dozens of sura Allah gave the land of Israel to the Jews (children of Israel)... Sura s: 2:40,2:63,2:83,2:85,5:70...many many more places this is clearly said in hadieth and sura. Even Saladin out Jews back in Israel after defeating evil crusaders. Salom Akk שלום

[@sahrasalim5247]

motorhead, it doesn't matter what the Quran or the Bible says! it doesn't justify occupying someone else's Land! What can of BS is that?!

[@WahidAzizi1]

A very weak moderation.

[@andypower5245]

Israel should have annexed the Westbank in 1967 / 73,than we wouldn't have all these stupid debates. Arabs, I mean Palestinians, can of course still live there - just as none Palestinian had to leave any of his place/s because of Jewish settlers (only exemption 1st settlement in Hebron) - and enjoy all rights a citizen of Israel can get, But if they don't want to... There are 50+ Muslim countries, where they all speak the same language, share the same religion and culture. You are good to go, if you don't like economic prosperity, science and western like governmental rights. With liberal religious rights, where anyone can believe what he or she likes.

[@ebefl]

Dershowitz argues like a lawyer not a scientist. Any point with a 50% blame, he blames the other side 100%. If he thinks there is no chance of winning the argument with the facts, he just muddies the water enough and then says "well, there are lots of opinions on this"

[@fisterklister]

Peter Beinart loved Israel then!!

[@ebefl]

jews were not slaves in Egypt what is he talking about?

[@josephfriedman1305]

What do you base this on? Show me some evidence

[@josephfriedman1305]

Issac BROTT I agree

[@SikanderG]

Love Peter Beinart.

[@Yaaacar]

free palestine!

[@riokriok2863]

they laughing with america and the world //////

[@huseyinaltunkiran7183]

By Babylon give named yahudi yahudi means wonder.

[@avivbenaarosh4680]

Rabbi kahane was right

[@huseyinaltunkiran7183]

May l ask one question why isreal named yahudi??answer me the truth this name given by Babylon. And l am Babylon generation l am from Turkish national DERSIM and my city cultural heritage still Babylon traditional life style belifs l am real Babylon generation l am the Babylon.

[@academicpolitics2052]

This “debate” is basically two fundamentalists agreeing on Judaic-based nationalism. The only disagreement they really have is hair-splitting on non-issues. The discussion is similar to arguments put forward by the Taliban or Christian evangelists that believe religious-exclusive societies are desirable. It’s easy to see where Israel’s racist policies come from when leading intellectual supporters of Israel favor prejudicial exclusivity. Nor is it surprising that the Palestinians are treated like sub-humans by the Israeli government, simply because they represent a different sectarian group. Israel is no different from Iran in terms of religious nationalism.

[@chaimochana9157]

+Academic Politics and you consider yourself as none radical fundamentalist? I bet you never been in Israel, nor you know noting about Israel and it's people.