Islam & Reality: Mufti Abu Layth & Veedu

I had a blast speaking to Mufti Abu Layth from Birmingham about Islam, science and reality. He was very kind to speak to me and give me much of his time. I would like to encourage further discussion and debate in a cordial manner. Both Ex Muslims and Muslims should seek to build bridges and increase live and understanding of one another!
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[@MrAkm1984]

I don’t even care about the specifics of the conversation. I really am just glad that a Muslim and an ex-Muslim can sit together and have a laugh means a whole lot. Let’s keep normalizing decent because it doesn’t have to be a conflict. Peace ✌🏾 and thank you 🙏🏾 Veedu for bringing this type of conversation to us.

[@zub41r75]

NewNomad I wouldn’t mind talking to Veedu I’m Muslim. He seems like a funny dude. I think I’d enjoy it. People are too serious nowadays just chill out and have a chat

[@TheR3negadeMaster]

They are both Hindus.

[@DheerajKattula]

@Lan Di He is a scholar. A very liberal Sunni Muslim. Probably a closet ex Muslim.

[@themax316]

Wow. This is wonderful to see. It’s what we need in society...we can agree to disagree with courtesy. God bless you BOTH

[@cpsaleemyt]

Very nice and decent of him to accept. I am sure such a discussion benefits everybody. Looking forward eagerly.

[@VeeduVidz]

He was a true gentleman

[@TheGolfCommunity1]

@@VeeduVidz why dont u have a discussion with farid, that would be interesting

[@akku_31]

@Keksi ungodly, y is it bad?? God meaning kill someone for no reason

[@shanewilson2484]

@Keksi The Mufti is putting himself forward in the spotlight and you are like me, an anonymous keyboard poker.

[@JClouseauB]

@Keksi Not true Scotsman? LOL

[@imaginx806]

You naughty naughty. You're teasing me.🤣🤣

[@octavio8779]

Great discussion that resembles many of my own with my friends and acquaintances. Halfway through the video I realized that the basic barrier to understanding the religious framework is a shift in the paradigm of thought. What many people don't realize is the standard they apply to religion as an abstract is not the same standard they use to analyze every other abstract in their life. They hold religion on a different level, of what you can call absolutism, that has to fit within the criteria of their current paradigm of thought. Many non-religious people use a scientific paradigm to verify an abstract concept like religion or faith, but then fail to use the same reasoning for all of the other abstracts in their surrounding life. This barrier is what I have begun to refer to as the 'Brain' boundary, because the scientific paradigm is one founded on Reason or Logic and is primarily found within the brain organ. Faith and Religion does not come from Logic, it comes from Intuitive Feeling which is a function of the Heart. We've recently discovered that the Heart is not just a vessel to pump blood but has greater electrical output than the brain and functions as another locus of intelligence. The same can be said of the Digestive System which makes inputs directly to the Brain through the Vagus Nerve and has been manipulated by gut microflora to influence behavior. What many intellectuals have failed to realize is that they have limited their own understanding of reality by relying solely on their brain organ to 'think'.

[@tedkay5152]

Woah! Hold on! My 9th grade biology and the foundation of my understanding of the human body is being challenged here and so would many other people's. Care to direct us to an article or link that suggests that the heart can "think"?

[@lalalala-qc7cp]

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for explaining what i was thinking and missing for years but couldn't form it into a sentence

[@mixmaster4162]

really enjoyed this thank you for uploading it both guys did good job much respect to both i think veedu is such a humble guy will sit with any scholars and have discussion i just want to say may Allah bless them both with much good in this life and next Ameen

[@KawaiiDansu]

Having an existential crisis listening to this lmao. Somehow felt very comforted at the thought of things not being “real” hahaha. Thanks for sharing guys.

[@ant2011]

As a fan of both of you, I am looking forward to this talk.

[@ALIHussain-mf4ez]

Hi Veedu Wow nice and an amazing discussion. I hope you have another meeting with him one day discussing the mistakes in the quran. I know he is VERY GOOD in defending the Quran using the voice of reason. Love and peace to you all!

[@OAB9282]

Thank you Veedu. I love Mufti, he is amazing. Love to both,

[@FaridResponds]

Veedu's role play as a Muslim (in his debate with Armin) is more accurate than Abu Layth's representation of Islam.

[@mohsinarif2802]

That's why being Muslim should be kept to role play sir!

[@VeeduVidz]

Is will take that as a compliment👍

[@urdominus]

Mufti spends majority of his adult life becoming certified Islamic scholar of the highest order. Utube random "that's not Islam" lol...maybe it's not? But for sure u are a degenerate, no maybe.

[@Tskyn]

Its needed. once cannot use imperical measurements to weigh religion and that's a fundamental bridge that is needed to deal with black and white claims.

[@al-muwaffaq341]

Farid Responds Baba Farid!!!

[@xfghkhjfsejid]

I really enjoyed this tbh. Questioning everything is important.

[@xfghkhjfsejid]

@S Al xD

[@1slamExplained]

It seems that Mufti is giving us a basic lesson in basic Philosophy, it maybe worth watching Firas Zahabi or any one else for that matter. Mufti made some very profound/simple points, yet it seems Veedu and his especially his friend in the background (towards the end) could not grasp. I do believe Veedu is sincere. Seems like a nice guy, lol his friend seems to get frustrated and keeps mixing "observation" for science. Observation doesn't equate science.

[@pkmuhammedhisan]

Mufti is a real sport to have agreed to do this discussion !

[@qtabraiz]

Was really looking forward to watching this, eventually got around to it, feel this discussion could have gone a lot better

[@tsgillespiejr]

Science isn't the only truth or reality. It's science.

[@sultanabdulhaqiii1633]

@ä Yes, but only the truth of "what and how" and but so of "why".

[@warpdrive101]

Mufti logic is weird what is real what is verifiable what is a fact I thinks he may be confused

[@darkday8913]

Hes not confused, you just haven't studied basic philosophy.

[@ALIHussain-mf4ez]

@@darkday8913 He is not confused, he is giving you scientific facts about the world around you and how we wrongfully see the world around us.

[@eelijjahh]

@@darkday8913 Ali Hussain is correct, Mufti's perspective is from the larger picture.

[@simewn]

Yes, he was bringing examples that were verifiable thus making Veedu's definition even more valid instead of refuting it.

[@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp3913]

@@darkday8913 so clowns are philosophers nowadays?

[@Countryraj]

I like you both

[@VeeduVidz]

Assassin's Creed

[@DominoRenzo]

Veedu Vidz that’s my favorite game

[@jaykay120680]

Nothing is real everything is a "Maya" ( illusion).

[@randomperson5817]

Only the soul exists

[@thephilosophermma8449]

supa drag0n and that soul is God

[@Mkhl4Sure]

@@thephilosophermma8449 according to our mind, and even the mind can trick us.

[@elprofesor8571]

Dam thats exaxtly waht islam says

[@ipsykd40]

Mufti needs some new friends cuz whoever made that tea put way too much milk in😔 or maybe a new wife😂

[@ImranKhan-rt2gi]

Hahahhaa

[@lollol-hm7oz]

Its called milk tea...should try it its pretty nice lol

[@ipsykd40]

@@lollol-hm7oz I think you mean doodh pati but that isn't even doodh pati, what Mufti sahib has on his table is a crime, an injustice. Its clearly an ill attempt at making British tea smh, no shame😔

[@farhanurmiah2635]

The Thumbnail kind of make sense now .LoL . You can see certain times where Veedu was kind of frustrated by the Muft, but kept his cool. Kudos for that.

[@marwanblue4229]

If a tree falls in a forest and there is nothing there to absorb the sound waves, did it make a sound or did it just vibrate the air?

[@taichoudhury]

Really good discussion dude. Respect.

[@fraudsfc]

I’m a Sunni Maliki and I like mufti. Don’t necessarily agree with everything but like his approach tbh. Good respectful and at times - funny - discussion Peace

[@fraudsfc]

Islam Safari Thank you for your mini takfir on me via KZbin. Says a lot about your understanding of Islamic fiqh and the character of the Prophet pbuh

[@ramio1983]

Mufti is a funny guy, he seems legit and passionate. I am a Muslim and i disagree with you both at times haha but thats the nature of belief and discussion. Peace.

[@urdominus]

keep asking that, maybe one day u will get ur favorite lie ❤️

[@alexshia8765]

In persian we say.. Another blind man leading another blind

[@indiaglowing]

@Rationality patriot Calm down brother. There are academic references that Islam wasn't imposed upon the masses as a rule. There's a functioning synagogue with a congregation in the heart of Tehran and a thriving, protected Zoroastrian pilgrimage site in Yazd. Things aren't as bad in Iran as they're made to look. Salam patriotjoon

[@Salo1378]

@Rationality patriot ibn tayymiah, ibn kathir, al bukhari etc. Were all persian

[@nuux1560]

@Rationality patriot The Caliphate conquered it, subduing Persian Zoroastrians to facilitate the preaching and spread of Islam. It's a religious cause; not an ethnic-nationalist one, so there's no need to pin it up against being 'Persian'. Persians were significant contributes to the Islamic tradition; Al-Tabari (exegesis), Bukhari (Hadith), Al-Ghazali (reformer), Ibn Sina (philosopher) etc and so much more.

[@boyboy6123]

Bukhari leading the Sunnis

[@HassanRadwan133]

Mufti Abu Layth is a lovely guy. Nice discussion - well done guys. (btw Music is Pink Floyd and it's definitely divine!!)

[@mohammedj2941]

Hassan Radwan I always search the comment section of veedu vidz videos to see your comment. I love you and love your words.

[@ALIHussain-mf4ez]

Hassan Radwan It would be nice to see yourself and mufti abu layth in a discussion. I would love for you to talk to mufti abu layth about the CLEAR CUT MISTAKES in the quran and see if mufti abu layth can truly DEFEND the Quran using the VOICE OF REASON. love and peace to you all!

[@theowlabovethefox2565]

Hassan Radwan would love you to have a discussion with nasser dashti about dissent in the Arabic speaking world.

[@urdominus]

And....TOOL

[@nazia-ZM]

Waiting for Veedu to start laughing when talking about sound waves, lol 😂

[@Kool..]

I like his LAUGH 😀😀

[@vijgokondkar7628]

Those who claim they know it,know not.Those who say they don’t know,probably know it.

[@urdominus]

#respect

[@itsmanny6549]

He's really just beating around the bush with pseudo intellectualism. Just say if angels are real or not, tangible as described in scripture.

[@eelijjahh]

It's just intellectualism and honestly. If you ask that it can't be answered yes or no.

[@SalmanMoyeen]

you are truly intellectual.

[@reason8798]

He’s a smart guy. He knows they aren’t real. Early Judaism did not believe in angels or the hereafter. But he’s selling a religion so ....

[@user-ks1hp2pb5g]

@@reason8798 Do you "know" gravity exists? We believe it based upon evidence but based off of a positivist epistemology, we cannot claim "we know" gravity exists. Since it is it NOT DIRECTLY empirically observable. Point being is that there are plenty of naturalistic metaphysical things that cannot be classified as "knowing" to exist, yet we believe it based on the evidence & reason.

[@reason8798]

@shirwan O contraire my friend. Gravity IS directly empirically observable. If I drop an apple or a date or an olive. It WILL fall. And it will do so because of gravity. Quran demands we use our reason my friend. thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/2019/04/06/3-quran-and-the-rational-mind/

[@adamprickster]

This was a total waste of time. Never seen someone evade answering so many questions so hard for so long

[@YuddhaVeera]

At least he didn't behave like a douchebag like hijab and dawah

[@theflangdude]

He sounds confused on the birth of Isa pbuh. The Mufti should make it clear in his mind before trying to explain to other.

[@hereticmorte666]

What I would say to people saying that Muft Abu Layth is being disingenuous, in representing Islam, is that he is being as honest as he can be. Now, sure your traditional view of Islam may not be compatible with his interpretation but that is exactly what he is reconciling when he accepts that the traditional view was made to serve the requirements of the past, and that is what Muslims have lost the sight of. Also, viewing Islam as an artistic expression is the way to go about it, imo, because it takes away its ability to become dogmatic. You eliminate an ideology that big, which holds power over so many people, by actively warring against it. Honestly, you don't have to. Just try to create an alternate meme that is superior (taking out the bad aspects) to the previous one.

[@urdominus]

Mufti doesn't believe for 1 second modern Islam was practiced or thought of the same way during the prophets time and during the time of medina. I couldn't agree more.

[@celtislam]

Great talk

[@raybashir8114]

Music is organised sound created by musicians and we know this because we can observe this. Sound waves can be heard, felt when loud enough and seen when represented in graphical form. Three of our five senses can recognise sound but none of our senses can recognise God.

[@urdominus]

Thus, faith

[@mohamedmusthafa6182]

Are u both in UK?

[@imaginx806]

They are.

[@mohamedmusthafa6182]

Floofy shibe lol😂😂 i am not triggered...nice try

[@mohammedhussain1804]

I think you would have a great conversation with the guy from epistemiX channel

[@ms-zo3zb]

To add to the discussion about what is real , we know that when people are being persecuted in the name of religion it is very real, at that moment they are not bothered about the philosophy of reality...thank you for the discussion

[@khanpak7607]

When mufti explain to him with science he try to ignore remember science is always advancing maybe in future they can tell their is angel or heaven and hell many thing in science about 100 years ago we did not know an later we know from science also science can’t tell every thing

[@-----------g-]

Should be good!

[@randyhelzerman]

Fantastic conversation.

[@manumit1394]

People find meaning in something (religion) However this causes suffering & harm for far too many. We can do better. What is meaning? Let's find (meaning?) in something that brings benefit & removes the harm & suffering for humans

[@manumit1394]

@Chipmunk ​ I guess I can see your point. Can we do this without religion? It can be challenging leaving any institution that has provided so many answers. I've been studying Critical thinking skills with a focus on the well being of others. I hope all humans can have these free thinking skills Freedom from any institution that tells you what to think. It is challenging but I believe freedom from institutions allows you to contribute to my thinking and I to yours much better than any contribution from one source or institution.

[@jj-yi1ne]

if only our fellow christians can understand

[@habibhamzah9128]

Love to see the transparency in the discourse between the don of ahlul jokes 😂😂 and veedu vidz Let's build bridges ✌✌✌✌

[@nabilelshukri]

This should sums it up: Surat Al-Hijr 9. Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian. 10. And certainly We sent (apostles) before you among the nations of yore. 11. And there never came an apostle to them but they mocked him. 12. Thus do We make it to enter into the hearts of the guilty; 13. They do not believe in it, and indeed the example of the former people has already passed. 14. And even if We open to them a gateway of heaven, so that they ascend into it all the while, 15. They would certainly say: Only our eyes have been covered over, rather we are an enchanted people

[@breakbeat9229]

Veedu: Is the sky blue? Mufti: I had sushi for lunch.

[@breakbeat9229]

@Nass Before The difference between you and the mufti is that you actually answer the question being asked without deflection ;)

[@breakbeat9229]

@Nass Before The mufti was wiggling around very simple questions using many words while in the end agreeing with Veedu or admitting certain questions were indeed valid while first arguing they were not and wiggling around it again. You could see Veedu's frustration for having to define every concept even children would understand. I'm glad you like it but I thought it lacked intelligent responds from the Mufti. Even though I disagree with almost everything the guy said I do respect the way the debate went. Peacefully and respectfully like it should be. Grtz

[@sugetsumillenium2112]

@@breakbeat9229 don't think it was a debate, seemed like a discussion

[@urdominus]

U understand what's being said, as do I. But people are not willing to question their reality (subjective). Just look at the responses here or from Veedu. Or perhaps they don't know how?

[@tsgillespiejr]

@Nass Before But the sky is blue. The wavelength transmitted by the atmosphere is that which we would label "blue." Call it whatever you want, but that specific range of nanometer EM waves is what it is. Or have I missed something?

[@jolaola1987]

Very interesting conversation. The Mufti here deserves respect for being honest with reasoning and known truths. He actually makes an effort to determine what is a fact and what's just kind of inherited belief. Actually any faith was first determined by fact and logical examination of what's happened and then people decided whether something is scientifically and circumstancially explainable (according to their times and knowledge). If something was not, but showed some kind of unexplainable power and affect on reality then it would be considered as miracle and proof of existence of the misterious and powerful being called God. Then the religion with all its rules and regulations trying to subordinate to this great power would also create the fear of unforseen consequences with equally unexplainable (as miracles) horrors that would await those who didn't comply with mass accepted beliefs. That also was not explainable by the masses why something obvious could be questioned by the people who think for themselves so they'd be included into the category of horrors that dares to destroy the agreed upon version of reality.

[@jolaola1987]

So later there was big discussion about what is and what is not real. What is or isn't true or verifiable, what is just a concept. I think that the only truth is just our experience, our presence of "I am that I am" and all the reality that we live in is just abstract concepts that we create out of thin air. Of course it means that we do live in an illusion but that doesn't mean the illusion isn't real or true, because it has results and consequences on the quality and sort of our experience. So by creating illusory concepts we affect the reality of our experience. Weather it is philosophical concept, vibration of sound, or a materialised concept of a table that you can touch, these are all illusory concepts that become real as soon as they affect our perception. And perception can be affected immediately or in further subtle ways but it's still the same mechanism.

[@harsha307]

But why does he have that blade in his neck chain? Didn't you advice him against it?

[@peacezorro5701]

3:55 who was it that gave u the tea?

[@Salo1378]

Dajjal

[@peacezorro5701]

Traurige TrockenEntenPflaume No surprise.

[@thehourglassfan3515]

Very insightful.

[@DaveKarl]

You didn't get a clear answer from him on Jesus. Who does he think the father of Jesus is?

[@zilchomarx4195]

If the thumbnail image is anything to go by, this is going to be full of half-baked sophistry from the religious apologist. A bit like Jordan Peterson when you ask him if the claims of religion are true. "Well it depends on what you mean by true" - then takes you on a circular tour around the dictionary.

[@frblaze2]

Go back to dawah man

[@zilchomarx4195]

@@frblaze2 ?

[@frblaze2]

@@zilchomarx4195 dont "?" Me

[@manumit1394]

I felt the same as you @Zicho Marx. I thought to myself here they go down the debate semantics Jordan Peterson path

[@frblaze2]

@Chipmunk dawah MAN, he is a youtuber

[@wandererlion2699]

Interesting conversation. The Mufti guy is intelligent. You guys should should read more books on philosophy to understand what he is talking about.

[@user.nitai2003]

I'm halfway through and so far it seems that what veedu Is getting at is that "real" is things we can verify through our senses. Therefore even music is real in that sense as we can verify it through or sense of hearing. laws on the other hand are man made concepts that we use as they provide us with value and utility. The problem with religions are that they have many stories and make many claims which appear to be occuring in the reality which we perceive through our senses but when we actually try to test these things we find them to be unverifiable or with evidence to the contrary.

[@SalamSalam-rh6pq]

Hindi or pak what are those?

[@yasuynnuf1947]

The table which we perceive with our eyes and touch is real....why is a sound wave which we can perceive through our ears not real? That should have been your follow up question when Mr. Layth said music isn't necessarily real.

[@Christoph-Dietz]

Great that you're having these discussions! In my opinion most of the 'objective' and 'true' part is hair-splitting. Philosophically and sceptically, 'I think therefore I am' is the only thing that we can say is 'objectively true'. You have to exist in some form to ponder reality. Nothing else can meet this standard. But comparing music and colour to religion is intellectually dishonest. Music and colour do not make unfalsifiable claims of something beyond nature, religions do. Who would even argue that music is 'true' in an objective sense, without someone to make it and someone to listen to it? I would have no problem with something that provides meaning to people, if these notions of creation, soul, sin, the right way to live and after-life had no consequences in our shared reality (e.g. religious politicians influencing laws, faith schools) and did not defy logic. Maybe we will never know whether Jesus is the son of God, a prophet or a motivational speaker that took it to a new level, but pretending to know and believing in it can be worse than saying 'I don't know'.

[@shallowwaters1002]

😂. Mufti sab. Looks like you need to lay down the bryanni. From the chest up he looks buff. But the stomach is much different then I thought.

[@FahimusAlimus]

Same here bro 😂

[@AC-mp7cx]

he wears an XXXXXSmall shirt

[@seletarroots3258]

It´s very simple. We are the creators of the world that we percieve. However this world we percieve is not the objectively or absolutely real world. The realities of it are of course perceptible to us, like sound waves making up music. But sound or music itself has no existence outside of our percieved world. Our percieved world only exists with all the names and definitions we have given it as long as we are around. Therefore arriving at any objective truths is impossible. The Muftis point was about whether we are able to affirm or deny either proposition of God existing or not existing, for which the aforementioned is relevant. Therefore any statements we make must necessarily require us to take this claimed truth into consideration.

[@sakhira6846]

If Jesus had a father as you claim 17.00 why does Allah only mentions the mother and not the father. Why is Only Mary given the high status.? Why does Jesus have the title Esa ibn Maryum?

[@CHEBOYKA]

Well regardless whether Mary later had a husband or not, she is the one that angels spoke to and gave good tidings of the great offspring (Jesus) that she was going to receive. She was chosen by God all along. Or are you saying why wasn't the name of the father mentioned somewhere? That's a good question. I don't know. When it comes to her status, we as men proudly look up to her (and as per Quran we should). And as a woman, I can only imagine, you have an even greater appreciation of her and the fact that she as a woman is honored so immensly by God in the Quran.

[@predragjo5977]

@@CHEBOYKA Kuran doesn't mention Father because Jesus has no Earthly father lol but Muhammad dodnt know that and he also couldnt say Allah is Jesu's father lol so it was better not to say anything :D Bible gives the perfect answer oj who's Jesus's Father

[@gr8life12]

How could someone use so many words and yet say so nothing of value?!🤔🙄

[@urdominus]

Subjective...I got plenty value out of muftis dialogue. Maybe it's u??

[@eelijjahh]

These people just aren't on Mufti's level.

[@Smmmile]

@G Skeptic If you're talking about Muhammad's recitation of the Quran, I agree!

[@jigmet70000]

Mufti on Steroids💉💉💉💉

[@cmoraes07]

These are the main questions you should have asked him: 1) How did Allah fail to preserve the injeel and the Torah and where is the real injeel and the real torah today. 2) what was the purpose of issa coming to earth, was it just to show off his miracles and go back to heaven or did he actually come for a purpose. 3) why is it that in the 21st century we do not have any Prophets or Angel's sent down to give us a massage, why did the prophets and angels only appear dureing the time when there was no technology and uneducated people. It would be so much easier to spread the messages across in today's time if there was a prophet or Angel sent down. 4) if Muhammed was the best example for all of mankind than why is it that we do not see a 9 year girl getting married with 50 year old man in todays time. These are the questions that would make the conversation interesting.

[@houseofsofia6650]

Moneyxl00 A) What is your evidence that people actually marrying that young in pre-Islamic Arabia? B) Please provide reliable scientific research that says that women in warmer climates menstruate early. C) The minimum age for marriage as per Roman Law was 12 for women and 14 for man; marriage was strictly monogamist; women had inheritance rights and were fairly free.

[@rolemodelboyz]

it is so ironic that atheists don't believe in miracle but when we ask them what proof will satisfy them to believe God exists then they demand God to do miraculous things in order for them to believe.

[@divinejacobmathew1503]

I am an atheist and I think most atheists don't ask that. They would rather have a coherent, logic argument for God. Let's just start with what is the definition of God if you may

[@rolemodelboyz]

​@@divinejacobmathew1503 Ok let me ask you this question, what proof will satisfy you to believe the existence of God or what kind of logical argument will satisfy you?

[@divinejacobmathew1503]

@@rolemodelboyz first of all , define god ?

[@rolemodelboyz]

@@divinejacobmathew1503 it would be a meaningless discussion if you cannot provide some criteria to accept something to be true. I can give you a thousand reasons to believe in God but then you just simply ignore it.

[@divinejacobmathew1503]

@@rolemodelboyz An argument that doesn't contradict itself will be a good start. So I want you define god since you believe in God

[@eimanm4676]

Description of Angels and their Wings is in Quran Surat Fatir, this Muffti just going in circles

[@manumit1394]

I love this conversation. So deep I could do this infinity I believe sound is real It is there regardless of weather your ear receives the frequencies or vibrations Some find meaning in this things (religion) that causes a huge amount of harm & suffering for humans. This does not justify it's existence. We can do better in finding meaning that can remove suffering

[@biased6463]

" I believe sound is real It is there regardless of weather your ear receives the frequencies or vibrations" Could you rationalize that so i can understand? I like that subject matter. From what i understand from the video is that we have eardrums that resonate with the pressure waves traveling trough air. They modulated into information to be received by our brains. Interpretation and value judgement aside, if this (physical) model that causes us to "hear", was constructed any different, what would we “hear” than? Would we "hear" at all? Maybe we would "see" the waves haha. So yeah in our rational world only the pressure waves are "TRUE". But even that only exists in our consciousness. Everything does. So absolute truths can never be established by us humans, it would be always lead to circular reasoning. Most scientists (Muslim and non-muslim alike) that know the philosophy of science, know this. Scientific truths and absolute truths are not the same. YES there are absolute truths, but we can never know them, we can only choose to believe them or not.

[@manumit1394]

@@biased6463 Yes I agree with you. When it comes to our consciousness of what is TRUE we will get into circular reasoning. I believe you exist and I believe I do to. But is that TRUE?

[@realtalk73760]

Read surah baqara at the beginning. It says 'and those who believe in al-ghayb". So this al-ghayb is something wich human being are never will get to know not even with science. In the end one has to believe. What would be the point in using the term "believe'" if everything is knowable, what is the point of believing anyway? Sorry for my bad english =>

[@manobik]

Why are you referencing surah baqarah? How would we know that is from God? Without that specific knowledge how can we believe in surah baqarah?

[@tahashahbaz1107]

Abu Layth is speaking at a much higher level of understanding then the ones asking him the questions. At least listen to what Layth is saying before interrupting him constantly and saying I dont understand every minute.

[@FahimusAlimus]

Finally an intelligent unbiased comment.

[@marlobarksdale2424]

his a idiot on steroids

[@FahimusAlimus]

Marlo Barksdale he’s not even that ripped way more qualified than most Muslims and that’s a fact. You’re just salty.

[@marlobarksdale2424]

@@FahimusAlimus your such a cheerleader lol

[@theman8070]

Veedu knew he is diverting.. that's why he is interrupting to bring back to the point.. otherwise he would spend the whole conversation talking about Christianity and avoid to talk about the QURAN

[@ilyahanafi5617]

I would assume that majority of non believers do understand how vast the space of abstracts reality is....it is often the believers having problem with non believers believing that way.

[@zer0875]

Veedu is thinking "oh shit, maybe I made a mistake re leaving Islam" lol

[@trentmalik5308]

Mufti Pauly D from the Jersey Shore! GTL is now halal

[@nehakulkarni5009]

Light, sound and vision are Perception of the senses..Down to our own interpretations (sound vibrations) ..That is why in Vedic philosophy we call it maya (illusions - real unreal / surreal) When you have control over your 9 senses./..This is the essence of yoga, self-realizing ( you are one with everything).. The Bhagavad Gita mentions that > asitis com/5/13.html : "When the embodied living being controls his nature and mentally renounces all actions, he resides happily in the city of nine gates [the material body], neither working nor causing work to be done." (chapter 5 verse 13) Below in Sanskrit: sarva-karmani manasa sannyasyaste sukham vasi nava-dvare pure dehi naiva kurvan na karayan

[@slkslk7841]

Seems you have a good understanding of vedas. I have a doubt. It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female. Is that true?

[@nehakulkarni5009]

@@slkslk7841 It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female (striya devaah, striyah pranah) (20,000 BCE) Confirmed by Shakta hymn - By - Sir John Woodroffe (1865-1936) www.amazon.com/Hymns-Goddess-Hymn-Kali-Woodroffe/dp/8185988161

[@nehakulkarni5009]

@@slkslk7841 Till this day, 10,00 years later..We still praise god in a female form as mother, sister and daughter...Indian society is filled with issues from baby girls being drowned at birth or martial issues..but our scriptures do not teach us that... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga_Puja Show me which other religion praises god as a female?? LoL

[@adamprickster]

Who is this clown? He is trying to rewrite the "holy books" according his own interpretation.The sooner he admits Islamic theology is garbage, the sooner he can stop trying soooo hard to make it acceptable.

[@adamprickster]

@@owaisbukhari5263 i believed in a higher power for more than 4 decades. I scourged every faith for the truth and settled on the most convincing one i.e. Christianity for 30 years. I continued to study all religions and every form of their apologetic angle. I have not found one as repulsive as Islam. Its people who make excuses for it that make it the worst.. no matter how docile the interpretation may seem, it only seeks to infect civilisation with its poison in any which way it can. I suppose it applies both ways then ▪▪▪> " there is no one as blind as he who refuses to see " Today i am an agnostic. But i lean more towards Christianity because the message of Jesus Christ is needed more for today's society. Islam's core beliefs are divisive and unforgiving and unaccepting.it should be stopped at all costs. But it cant be stopped because ignorance is a pandemic

[@adamprickster]

@@owaisbukhari5263 what i find most difficult to understand about islam is how millions of people fail to see how Muhammad is a flawed man and they continue to celebrate him as perfect. He is far from a good role model, especially in today's world. They also claim the Quran to be a perfect and miraculous document when it's riddled with errors. One needs not to be anti-islam to see them. But Muslims tend to explain them away. Having a rebuttle doesnt mean it is a good one. Consider these situations as an example : 1. Muhammad's first wife was filthy rich. She was much older than him ( these are not problems ). It was Khatijah and her uncle who convinced him that he is a prophet after the "angel" assaulted him. 2. His last wife was a mere child. Couldnt Allah have found another way for him to care for her instead of causing generations to come so much dispute and embarrasssment and debate . Till today, there are people who use his example to justify child abuse in this context. 3. His second wife was worried in her old age that he would discard her. So she offered up her night to be with him. He gladly accepted it to be with one of the younger ones. Worse still, he said it's condoned by Allah 4. He married his adopted son's wife simply because he fancied her. It's even suggested that she is a blood cousin, which is genetically unhealthy. In the process to justify it, he discouraged adoption. Also uses Allah to support his desires. 5. The story of Hafsa and Maryam the Copt. He literally lies to Hafsa to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with Marysm. And got caught. Tries to silence Hafsa but the other wives found out anyway. Then uses God and fearmongering to defend himself. These are just a few examples of many. One issue out of many. Any neutral person with two sense can see him for what he is. If anybody else had done these things, you wouldnt hesitate to call him out on it. Or worse, punish him. I'm not making these things up..it's in the Quran, sahih and non-sahih hadith and the sira. Look it up. Again, i would caution you this. Having an explanation doesnt mean it's a good one. Apologists, for ages, have tried to whitewash common sense with hypocrisy and linguistic gymnastics. How do you expect a lay person to look at these issues and accept that this man is a prophet?

[@adamprickster]

@@owaisbukhari5263 you know whats ignorance? Saying " one needs to be anti-islam" when i said just the opposite.... also believing something to be true when it's clearly not. Im just asking you to neutrally think ( as i did ) instead of defending islam because it's YOUR default mode and you cant risk it shaking up your entire belief system

[@adamprickster]

@@owaisbukhari5263 statistics say muslims are leaving islam more than ever before. Look it up.

[@adamprickster]

@@owaisbukhari5263 i suppose it works both ways

[@mohsinarif2802]

Awesome conversation, great work Veedu and massive respect to Mufti ✌️

[@ainaltair3217]

good points on psychosocial phenomena - hatred, anger, love etc. are also psychosociological. why beleive in it ? or how do you define these truths or reality? if so, by whose standards?

[@user-rm2lq4eo1w]

You should consider watch Leo's videos(Actualized)..quite an interisting guy

[@eelijjahh]

It is not preference, it's a predisposition.

[@easyguy625]

But a man can marry a non-muslim (who is of the book)? Now what does that mean?

[@eelijjahh]

people of Abrahamic scripture or people of faith?

[@easyguy625]

@@eelijjahh So why cannot a muslim woman marry a non-muslim but is of the book?

[@paleface3622]

@@easyguy625 Spreading the cult , if you can't kick them out of their countries, then breed them out, that's my explanation of why muslin women cannot marry outside of the religion of Islam.

[@easyguy625]

@@paleface3622 That is a good explanation!

[@KawaiiDansu]

Good effort Veedu, you must’ve been at least a little frustrated haha.

[@TheGolfCommunity1]

If you dont want muslims to become atheist, then according to your logic you dont want them to have the truth

[@urdominus]

If that was muftis logic? He'd say that himself.

[@ricbla3499]

The Middle Path not if he thinks that Islam is the truth in the first place

[@vijgokondkar7628]

Difference between Islam and Dharma is there is separation of physic and metaphysic in Dharma,and in Islam there is not.

[@asiatic999]

Please explain. Or better yet direct me to further reading

[@jj-yi1ne]

stop trying to promote your religion. your religion is shit too

[@yasuynnuf1947]

He might say a table is a physical object and sound/vibrations are not, you should have said then a table is just a chunk of matter which takes up space. How real is a table for a dolphin? A table is only a table based on human design/interpretation. That was your chance in the middle of the discussion, when he said the table in front of him is real but music is not real. Good discussion though.

[@kurokamei]

Please get Yaron Brook next for philosophycal topic such as political system and rights. Human right is not just in human mind, its derived from existence, human nature. Please get him on and you can get him to answer 45:00 onwards

[@Gog3453]

Reality starts and stops with the Sunnah of Allah.

[@UrDaddy4Real]

It's a surprise you didn't mention Harris Sultan @1:29:10 in the list of attendees.

[@jagathmithya719]

Given the non-confrontational nature of Veedu, disappointed that a more robust, if not gloves-off discussion did not happen and much space was given to the mufti to be on his preaching mode waffling and evading answers. The very last part, where hearing and visual faculties were discussed was interesting. But my expectation of the discussion leading to an enquiry of: *_what it is_*_ that senses whatever that is sensed,_ was thwarted. Here is a Vedic perspective on the matter from the *Kena Upanishad* Part 1: 4. That which is unexpressed by the word, that by which the word is expressed, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 5. That which thinks not by the mind, that by which the mind is thought, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 6. That which sees not with the eye, that by which one sees the eye’s seeings, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 7. That which hears not with the ear, that by which the ear’s hearing is heard, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 8. That which breathes not with the breath, that by which the life-breath is led forward in its paths, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. (Note: Brahman is the unknowable and therefore beyond description).

[@anns9267]

What was the discussion again?

[@ainaltair3217]

Good discussion. A lot of myths and fairy tales or discription of angles etc. are not in the Quran....Mufti has a point, no point in describing the universe in detail in scriptures to the people. Science is ever evolving. The truth is that the reality is constantly changing. Even 1+1=2 is true is only to us in the way we understand. Some other parallel intelligent beings may have a totaly different number system...why should it not be possible?

[@FKAAYA]

Mufti Abu layth seems like a chill guy you could hang out with even as an ex Muslim

[@angelicazambrano]

The prisoners at Guantanamo bay were played Rocket Queen from guns and roses, they hated it, while fans of guns and roses would have enjoyed listening but if they were cuffed and forced to hear their favourite music it would turn into torment,

[@tahashahbaz1107]

The interviewers are confusing empirical truth with beliefs that have no empirical truth but have meaning. This is pretty deep conceptual video and I applaud Abu Layth for bringing this into light. Like Morpheus (Matrix) says "what is real? Real is just what you interpret in electrical signals in your brain"

[@muhammadfarrukhiqbal9158]

Miracles are real. Not everything has a reason it just is.

[@ScarredRomeo]

As far the Qur'anic response that compares Jesus to Adam is concerned, I think the point of it is to appeal to reason with Christians when discussing the special Divine status they attribute to Jesus as the "only begotten son" of God because they believe he was born without a father. This status is rendered less "miraculous" and significant via the analogy of comparing his creation to that of the first human being Adam who was created by God's own "hands" so to speak from wet clay in which God "breathed" into him something of his Own spirit, and hence without both a mother and father, a belief which both Christians and Muslims share. There was no need to rebuke the idea of the virgin birth in these verses because it isn't really a point of contention as Muslim and Christian conceptions of God wholeheartedly allow for this possibility.

[@simonjames7594]

Truth is priceless and means a lot to me. Truth clearly doesn't mean anything according to this guy.

[@eelijjahh]

which guy?

[@urdominus]

Your subjective reality "means a lot" to you...is what you're actually saying, u just don't know it

[@eelijjahh]

Might I add that all perceptions of reality are subjective. Key word is "perception".

[@simonjames7594]

@@eelijjahh Which guy? Hahahahahaha are you a comedian?

[@simonjames7594]

@@urdominus Some peoples reality includes throwing stones at a lump of concrete which is supposed to represent Satan. This reality is called paganistic ritual.

[@user-74856]

Well mufti you got them good on the music thing I'll give you that.....

[@anshulpundhir8170]

1:25:31 👌 Veedu's expression says it all

[@kurokamei]

There is not truth? Truth is subjective? Man Veedu you have heart of a saint.

[@easyguy625]

For those who haven't heard, Richard Dawkins has just released a very simple book 'Outgrowing God'.

[@mohammedjamil2277]

@Peaceful Cataphract yes he thinks we came from nothing and the nothingness created everything time matter space energy and absolutely everything like his partner in crime and pseudo science buddy Lawrence krauss who wrote a book entitled a universe from nothing!! 😀😀😂😅🤣

[@hanzo7616]

No one takes that old miserable prat seriously.

[@easyguy625]

@@hanzo7616 On what grounds do you support this remark? Making a flippant remark is no more difficult than creating a religion. In the end, if blind faith gives you joy, I am very happy for you. Have a wonderful life.

[@easyguy625]

@Peaceful Cataphract It is clear you have done little or no research, but are very happy to accept blind faith. I am not against such sentiment, however, don't you sometimes want to ask questions. Do you think we'd be communicating over the Internet and using a smartphone if Galileo had not challenged the Christian geocentric mind set fixed by 'God'?

[@easyguy625]

@Peaceful Cataphract Looks like you have a passion for learning, I highly advise reading 'A History of the World' by Andrew Marr. It may open your mind only depending on how much fear you have of reality.

[@bustinjieber7521]

Pauly D converted to Islam?

[@mohammednawaz2275]

Now I can see why God sent down miracles!

[@mkhan2236]

@4both speakers in the video and 4 all those who are like them: "And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play. Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so. Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe." Noble Qur'an ch21vs16-18